REPORT: ACC Schools In Talks to Join Big 12, Florida State Leaving ACC Would Create Expansion Chaos.
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- The ACC stands alone among the Power Five conferences excluded from the College Football Playoff, with representatives from the Big Ten (Michigan), Pac-12 (Washington), Big 12 (Texas), and SEC (Alabama) securing spots in the final four during Sunday's selection show. Despite Florida State being the ACC's lone hope, their exclusion marked the first time an unbeaten Power Five conference champion missed the CFP, signaling concerns for flagship schools in the ACC amid ongoing conference realignment.
Texas and Washington's moves to the SEC and Big Ten, respectively, intensify worries that the decision to overlook FSU prioritizes these new "big two" conferences. The CFP committee, led by NC State AD Boo Corrigan, faced questions about setting a precedent by excluding an undefeated conference champion but provided a vague response, expressing empathy for Coach Mike Norvell and the players amid conference changes.
Seven ACC programs, including FSU, UNC, Clemson, and Miami, explored breaking the league's grant of rights last offseason. However, leaving the conference is complex and costly, with legal challenges and ongoing payments potentially totaling nearly $500 million, making it challenging even for wealthy universities to sever ties.
In an attempt to appease members, the ACC introduced a new revenue distribution model in May, rewarding success based on postseason performance starting in 2024-25. While details remain undisclosed, expectations include multi-million dollar payouts to CFP-bound teams. The model loses appeal when a prominent ACC brand misses the Playoff with an unblemished record, reflecting poorly on the conference's national standing.
CBS Sports' Tom Fornelli predicts a dire outcome for the ACC, describing this year's CFP process as the "death knell" for the conference. The committee's role in excluding an undefeated ACC champion not only costs the league prestige but also $6 million. ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips finds himself in the midst of challenging times as the conference grapples with its future in the evolving landscape of college football.
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Knowing now that it was the ACC Commissioner that voted NO on expanding the playoff to a 12 team playoff for seasons 2022 and 2023, yes, FSU should leave.
Yes facts Bea FSU is real deal exactly 👌
It looks bad don’t get me wrong, but he wasn’t the deciding factor in it being expanded this year. Can’t blame him
Now FSU can prove being in the ACC has caused them financial damages, due to them being no difference then a G-5 Conference. The Playoff Committee needed NC State's AD as authorize the scrooge job of FSU. The ACC didn't advocate for FSU, they just let it happen. No lawsuits, nothing. That's why FSU, Clemson, UNC, and ND should head to the B1G because they would be making double what the SEC does.
It came back to bite us in the a$$
I doubt fsu wants to go to the sec considering they and espn screwed them.
FSU fan here - you are damn spot on. Other ACC teams see that if it can happen to an undefeated FSU, it can happen to anyone in this conference with poor, weak leadership.
You know we could figure out who the better team was if Florida state would just stop being pussies with their schedule and actually schedule Alabama or Georgia early in the season Granite that means they're Championship aspirations would come to an end early in the season but you know that would settle all the debate on who would be the best team Florida state Alabama or Georgia and you do know FSU was offered a $200 million dollar contract to join the SEC why didn't they join the SEC oh I know because their schedule would be too hard and they would never win anything
I think the ACC signed its long deal with the idea that it would prevent defections and bring stablilty..but in doing so, they sacrificed being able to make more $$ in future contracts...
As an FSU fan I’d rather be independent than in the Big12
@@fdapocalypse You and Clemson need to have your butts in the SEC.
Everything Phillips has done has benefited ND and the Big 10. Meanwhile the Acc is burning. That's the words of a guy that is a writer for the News an Advanced. He should be relieved of his duties immediately. Imo he's working to impress the Big 10.
It was not a down year for the ACC. 6-4 this year against the almighty SEC, with an undefeated conference champion who knocked off LSU and Florida. Also, 11 ACC teams are going to bowls. It's only a down year because non-ACC folks want to create the narrative.
LSU was the 5th best SEC team I guess when your down bad like the ACC you cheat for what you can get
6-4 against the bottom of the SEC*. LSU and TAMU were the only teams the ACC beat which ended the season with a winning record. The other teams were Vandy, South Carolina x2, and Florida. Congrats on beating Vandy. Solid win.
@@Wingman813 Can't blame the ACC that it has to play so many crappy SEC teams.
@@npierce14 Rich coming from an SEC homer. You guys are famous for saying, "If you ain't cheating, you aren't trying hard enough."
@@domenicdurante966 You literally can. The schools choose which teams to schedule. But you guys lost to Tennessee, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Kentucky. Props for scheduling them, though.
The Big 12, would have some rock solid Rivalry games...Arizona vs ASU - BYU and Utah, and of course Pitt - WVU.
The only reason Texas got in over FSU is because they beat Alabama and the committee was determined to have the SEC champ in. And they couldn't put Alabama in without putting Texas in too because of the head-to-head.
Exactly this.
It should've been Texas and FSU imo
100% correct.
They basically said before the season that conference champions were going to get a major consideration! Alabama and Texas are blue bloods and that plus their conference championships got them in!!! 🤔
Possibly but if I remember correctly Florida was the reasons keeping FSU and Miami out of the SEC for a long time. Just like Texas was a reason to keep Houston out of the Big 12 for the last 30 years.
It would be good to have more Big 12 teams in the East! Say what you will but having UCF, BYU, Cinnci and Houston moving to the Big 12 helped solidify the conference in a time of turmoil.
Unfortunately all those "New" teams that joined the Bigxii...were all at the bottom of the Bigxii standings
@thekey1682 it's expected moving into a power 5
@@thekey1682UCF wasn’t at the bottom! We beat out TCU and Baylor in the standings so we were 9th, we beat Oklahoma St. 45-3, and only lost by 1 or 2 points to Oklahoma, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Flip a few ball bounces and UCF is 9-3
@@diegomahoney4266I was at the UCF game in Lubbock. Great game. A ton of fun. Y'all do have an impressive program.
Florida state could have joined the SEC and was offered $120 million to do so but they refused because their schedule would be "too hard." So no I do not pitty them for getting left out of the playoff and I look forward to the ACC falling apart as it in itself is a joke.
As a WVU fan/alum, I say bring on Va. Tech, UofL, pitt, etc! Would love to have a modern day Big East but with some stability. I'd love to see it happen.
As an FSU fan... YUCK!
I’m a fsu alum and I think it would be great. WVU would be all about those additions / rivals.
FSU are you talking about the 13 and 0 football team that did not make the final four like The undefeated Liberty football team?? ACC is the weakest football conference.
@@gaijinfishing stay salty. 🤣
Basically peak late 90s/early 2000s big east and MWC in the same conference. I love it.
UT is not getting in without their noncon win over Bama. Plug in any other team in place of Bama and they are getting let out. The Big 12 had nothing to do with it..
This. I'm sec all the way but bama shouldn't got in. It should been Michigan, Washington, Florida st., Texas. But they always trying get sec and big 10 in because of the money. If FSU had Travis still playing, it would been Texas getting the boot out playoff. They would have caught shit for that as well. So who's the better team right now in most people eyes around the country Texas, cut fsu then.
@@kwd1253You know we could figure out who the better team was if Florida state would just stop being pussies with their schedule and actually schedule Alabama or Georgia early in the season Granite that means they're Championship aspirations would come to an end early in the season but you know that would settle all the debate on who would be the best team Florida state Alabama or Georgia and you do know FSU was offered almost 200 million to join the SEC but didn't because their quote schedule would be too hard and honestly they know they would lose 5 or 6 games every season but now they're going to go to the Big Ten Or Big 12 whatever the hell it's called and try to win their another cupcake schedule come to the SEC run that Gauntlet and let's see how good you really are
@@christiangalllietmo1528 they had LSU + Florida on their schedule. Guess who FSU had on their schedule year before, LSU. Guess who beat bama that year, LSU! Guess who had cup cake schedule this year, Georgia! Your argument you tried to use, just made yourself look like a complete dumbass.
BIG XII would have gotten Florida St in. Come on over or continue crying people 🥲🥹
@@r.farciert why would you want that toxic ass Cry Baby ass Florida State team in your conference because when they don't win in y'all's conference they're going to be crying about how unfair it is sorry but they should just keep their asses in the ACC and keep crying
FSU got screwed. CFP is not a playoff, it’s and invitational.
As a Miami fan, the Big 12 is looking like a clear step above the ACC. Still hoping for the Big 10/SEC , but the Big 12 is damn solid
Value will equalize at the Tier 2 level. Any additional value will come from gate, parking, synergies, branding, etc.
Miami will not go to the SEC. B10/B12 far more likely
You want to go play Cincinnati? Houston? Colorado? That's the tough competition that you seek? Hilarious
AZ - UTAH - WVU - OK ST - KSU - BIG 12 is the conference to go..
But the Big 12 minus Okl. and Texas won't command much respect. Why leave the ACC to join that? If true then it must mean Clemson and FSU are already gone.
Bc it’s better some some of the other non FSU/Clemson/UNC to unite with the Big12 v staying in a even weaker ACC with terrible leadership that doesn’t care about football. Jim Phillips is a clown.
CFP showed you how much respect for the ACC and Florida State. ACC is a damaged conference, the ACC is a joke..
Not nearly as big of a joke the B12 will be next year. Who is the best program? Who is the best brand? Heck, it would be Miami if they joined.
@@ardentlions6636that’s a reason for FSU and Clemson to leave. Its not a reason for the rest of the schools to take a $5 million a year paycut to leave the ACC for the Big 12.
@@ardentlions6636ACC beat SEC this year 6-4 , ACC and Big 12 tied for 7 national championships a piece since 1980 , ACC has 9 bowl eligible teams
I’d say no to Syracuse, Wake, Boston College - but everyone else would be nice. Louisville, Pitt, NCState, Miami, GT, VaTech. - also, those are great additions for basketball
OMG EXACTLY....Syracuse and BC should just go home to the BE..thats where they belong..they will have to play FB as an independent...Wake is a maybe..theyve had some recent FB success and have some bball history..
@@CircusOfValues-BH486 well I hate to break it to you, but going "back to the past" worked pretty well for UCONN..Syracuse is never gonna be relevant in football..and if th e ACC does break apart and they do fill in spots with AAC programs, the FB program wont make any $$ anyway...it better for the Orange to focus on the 1 thing that has worked for them long term...basketball
@@carsonc29Syracuse is quietly building a beast of a staff. They should be a top 3-4 ACC team in 2 years.
As a UNC fan..I have loved the ACC for so long! Live in Texas now, and I would love for some ACC teams to come the the Big 12...I know UNC would go to the Big Ten, but man..I wish they would come to Big 12. It makes me laugh that I remember when Big 12 was supposed to be dead..and ACC was bigger....how times have changed...LOL..Go Big 12!
That’s right BIG XII is right there doing great, top ACC schools should join and see how good is here! ACC will continue to get screwed over.
in the attempt to gain stablity after watching the B12 get picked apart, they signed a long GOR that capped their earnings...which in the end, could end up lead to the defections of the big football brands
In context, the BIG12 is already dead.
WVU fan here , I would be ecstatic if the Big 12 could get Virginia Tech and Pitt ,and even Miami would be huge ! Hope and pray that it becomes a reality ! 😁
I would like to get VA Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and NC State. But guess we'll see how it goes.
Every year is a “down year” for the ACC. BUT I would bet money that the teams in the ACC are (as a group) better than the group of Big Ten OR Big Twelve teams.
The ACC was 6-4 vs the SEC this year and all anyone can say is how weak the ACC is and well the SEC is the toughest conference in the world. College football is going to shit.
@@skeeterfinklage445 I totally agree. Bias is a real thing, but so is objective comparison. Put Wake Forest up against Rutgers on the field, and then compare the money they get from their conferences. Vandy. South Carolina. The ACC has better depth than the Big Ten by far. FSU with their third string quarterback is better than Michigan (cheaters) at full strength. But we’ll never know because Michigan hides in the big ten wimp league.
@@Droid132F the fact of the matter is, it obviously doesn't matter. SEC doesn't have to produce and undefeated team, they don't have to have a winning record against a conference they deem inferior. All that is required is the belief that the SEC is the only conference that matters and everyone else is a joke. Results be damned. Doesn't matter FSU has thus far beaten two SEC teams this season...rather easily.
It's all about profit, that's the only real excuse and it's complete bullshit. College has always been vaguely rigged, now it's obvious.
@@skeeterfinklage445And two of those losses were GT.
Sadly, it’s no longer simply about wins and losses. Who were those 6 sec teams that lost? What were the viewership numbers generated for those 6 wins? Did it generate any additional advertising revenue? The networks couldn’t care less about those 6 ACC wins over the SEC if it didn’t generate revenue. Sadly, it’s about viewership numbers and advertising revenue that the conference generates as the true measuring stick. Case in point, the B1G has just signed the best media deal with the highest dollar payouts. Raise your hand if you think that’s because they have the most wins? No, of course not. They’re like 4th or 5th in wins as a conference. So why did they get the best media deal? Because their viewership and advertising revenue is better than everyone else’s. Wins and losses unfortunately don’t mean much anymore unless it’s a huge viewership and advertising generator. It’s still good for talking smack amongst ourselves but that’s about it.
As a West Virginia fan, I love the idea of some of the old big east schools joining the conference.
as a WVU fan you also have to love watching FSU getting left out given the history of them being picked over y'all even thought y'all were undefeated
@@AlphaDwgyou mean when #1 FSU only lost was to #2 ranked Notre Dame?
Committee was picking Bama no matter what. They had to add Texas because of the Bama beat down . That left FSU as the odd man out.
Great great video. Thank you! I’ve was already subscribed to “Locked On Utes” but damn if I didn’t smash that button for and share this video! Well done!
Leaving the ACC to join the Big12 seems meaningless…. Big12 is going to be nothing after Texas & OU leave. Florida State would happily go SEC or Big Ten, but they ain’t leaving to go the same / a worst quality conference
You are crazy. The Acc added teams that bring nothing.
You can't call it a lesser conference when a 12-1 TCU (not a big brand) team made the playoff but an undefeated Florida State (huge brand) was left out.
They will be the ACC. College has two major conferences and rest are mid-major level conferences. ACC and Big 12 are the same boat my friend.
@@ardentlions6636 kind like Arizona State and Colorado…. Stanford is better than both of those programs by a mile
@@christopherdanieljohnston8501 I’m not saying this year. Next year and forward. No Texas and no Oklahoma
As a WVU fan, the thought of being back in with Pitt & VT makes me tingle in all the right places
BYU and UCF will be good additions.
If I’m Florida State, Miami, Clemson, and Virginia Tech… I’m looking at joining the Big Ten NOT the Big 12! Texas is in the CFP because they went into Bryant-Denney Stadium and beat the Crimson Tide by 10! The Big 12 without Oklahoma & Texas is garnering the same level of respect as they have with them! Joining the Big Ten would give those schools, which have been the ACC’s most relevant football powers, a conference with legit football credentials!
Face it folks… The Big Ten and the SEC will be the only power conferences left standing in 10 years!
Miami is not going to the Sec or Big.
I think FSU, Clemson & UNC are looking at either the BIG10 or SEC, not the Big12. This is more about the remaining, desirable ACC teams that are worth picking off for the Big12. I don't think Miami is a fit in either the Big10 or SEC, but their basketball program would fit great in the Big12.
ACC top schools need to join the Big XII asap! It would make 3 Power conferences
What does the BIG12 have that the ACC doesn't? All they would do is replace UT and OU and be worse off for it. The last thing I want to be in is a new Big East. Bringing those teams to the ACC didn't help too much either.
No, absolutely NOT!!!
hell NO
No because they say the ACC is weak, so weak teams going to the Big 12 would not make it look tougher especially with the good big 12 gone.
BIG XII has more respect and would not be left out to dry! ACC top schools need to join the conference and things will be better. BIG XII gets more revenue per team already.
Who would have ever known 1 broken leg could tear apart the American dream we call college football??? 👌
This clip alone has made me so glad Texas is moving to the SEC.
Had Texas not been selfish, USC/Washington/UCLA/Oregon and a few others would have been in the Big12 a few years ago and they would still have their seat of power as the ACC comes crashing down.
UT is the biggest joke of all of this, because they gave up their castle and declared they did not know how to rule the roost.
I hope the Big 12 does pick up the best teams from the ACC, it won't be healthy having the SEC and B1G having a virtual lock on the playoffs. It might not be good for basketball, though.
I know we're new, but come on, Drake! Cincinnati lives over here too and we'd love to get the Riverwheel and Keg of Nails rivalries back in the conference. All I personally have ever wanted is to play Pitt, Louisville, WV and Syracuse again. The Big East (especially early on), no matter how weird it got, was a good time for football. I got WVU back, give me my other rivalry trophy games back and I'll be a happy man.
Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, and Clemson should join the SEC.
I mean they are all South East on the map it would def make sense
They don't have the balls
We already have too many teams in the SEC
More teams wouldn't hurt the conference
The SEC has openly stated that it doesn't want Miami. Miami doesn't have the requirements that the SEC wants.
A down year for the ACC, yet the ACC went 6-4 against the SEC this year.
Meanwhile the SEC went 7-9 verses P5 schools
With what has happened with FSU shows that even with the 12 team expansion that the acc and big 12 will more then likely only get one team in each year with 4 each coming from the B1G and SEC, 1 group of 5 and one open for Notre Dame. Eventually it will be the Power 2 were what ever the big 12 does will not matter
FSU fan here. We are losing players to the portal. I love all of these guys but I do not blame them one little bit. They did everything they were supposed to. They went UNDEFEATED, lost their 1st string QB, almost lost their 2nd string QB, defeated top ranked teams, and over came so many obstacles and STILL went undefeated, only to be slapped in the face. They are shown that cheating and money take precedence over hard work and honesty. They ask what more can we do? I say, nothing. You did all you could and then some. I am sorry to see you guys leave, but I will always love ya and respect your decision. We will miss you guys. Thank you for your heart and soul you gave and good luck in all you do! Just merge college football into 2 conferences. WCCF and ECCF. West-coast and East-coast.
Don't oversell FSU's record. They finished with 61.5% of their schedule having losing records. That proves their strength of schedule was weak. By ranked teams you mean 3, and only 2 of those being in the regular season, LSU being by far their best win. Duke...Top 25 but who cares? Not that impressive. Louisville lost to an unranked Kentucky.
Earlier this year, it was FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State, VA Tech, Miami, and UVA who was exploring options of leaving. Now, from insiders from the SEC and BIG10, it's teams like Cuse, BC, Wake Forest, and GT who don't have a landing spot in another conference. You also have rumors now spreading about how 2 teams from each of those conferences do not want a split from the current NCAA landscape to be nfl development farms. They also do not want to be responsible for providing its own NIL every year. Could it be possible in current conference bylaws to have those teams voted out and replaced?
Where do you get the information from?
I believe when Couz's Corner was talking about it over the summer he was saying Louisville, Pitt, Va Tech and NC State to the Big XII and Miami and FL St to the SEC
The SEC openly stated over a month ago that they do not want Miami. Miami doesn't have the requirements that the SEC wants.
Clemson and Florida State to the SEC, fixed it for you!!!
a) There's no reason for a Tier 2 ACC flight risk to move to the BIG12.
b) There's no purpose for a large and wide Tier 2 conference
The idea that the ACC schools would join the Big 12 is laughable. To suggest such shows a lack of understanding of the conference dynamics of college football. The ACC will survive long after Clemson, FSU and UNC leave.
Down year for the ACC??? What's the ACCs out of conference schedule?
The ACC isn't that bad, they just hace the worst marketing. Honestly, the Big 12 isn't that great. The only reason Texas made it is because they wanted to put the SEC in the playoffs. Since UGA lost to Alabama, you couldn't put them in. They put in the SEC champion, Alabama BUT since Texas beat Alabama, they couldn't justify out the Longhorns. It's pretty simple.
Everyone has seen the writing on the wall. The SEC and Big 10 are going to run college football and decide who gets in the playoffs. A merger between the ACC's big dogs with the Big 12 might give them a little more leverage at the table, but both conferences are going to wield their power over not only FSU but Clemson, Miami, and Notre Dame to join or be regulated to 2nd class citizens.
The "Big 12" will be nothing and this whole video will be put on the shelf and gather dust.
THIS!!!
@Postman1955 same words the Pac said no one is going to the Big 12. Months later, Pac gone. ACC has been marked to be next to go. Louisville has wanted the Big 12 for years. Not all ACC schools will find a home like WSU and OSU. Stanford and Cal had to join ACC.So word to the wise if the Big 12 calls you better pick up!
@@blackreign487
a) The PAC was in a far different situation than the ACC.
b) I believe that even L'VILLE was among the strongest supporters of the +3, so I don't think it prefers the new BIG12.
c) A rebuilt ACC is a home just like the rebuilt BIG12.
d) Don't equate mutual disinterest with a rejection. CALFORD preferred the future ACC over the new BIG12.
@@tarheel7406 ACC is dead conference walking
I would disagree with your opening statement that Texas is in the playoffs because the committee saw the Big 12 being better than the ACC.
Texas got in because Georgia lost to Alabama. That's it.
RIP to UCF Basketball. I’m so happy with our football team but Basketball it’s EMBARRASSING we really lost to Stetson it’s crazy
Lol come on deland is on the rise
Any chance the Wazzu vs UW ratings had to do with it being the final iteration of the Apple Cup as a conference game?
FSU and Clemson are probably B1G bound.
Our defense alone should've gotten us into the playoffs. Our defense played lights out. Their best performance this season against a team that averages 30+/game. No one believes in "Defense Wins Championships". I grew up in Tampa and so natuarally I'm a bucs fan. In 2003, we won with a great defense and mediocre offense. Brad Johnson was just a game manager. No amazing stats but he protected the ball and didn't make major mistakes. Rodemaker with his experience could've been mostly mistake free and our run game breaks for a TD eventually and Rodemaker can make some midfield throws. He showed that in FL. There's plenty of examples of great fb teams that were way more defense that offense.
What you have is two Big 10 teams (Washington will be there next year) and two SEC team (Texas will be there next year). The Big 12 is never going to get another invite after Texas and Oklahoma leave. The Big 12 help kill the Pac 12 to the detriment of College football and it ultimately will not help them. Even if FSU is STUPID ENOUGH to make that move, it will not help either FSU or the Big 12.
FSU is never going to the Big 12, without TX and OU in the Big 12, it is going to be looked at in the same or worse light than the ACC. Texas is in because after Saturday night they were effectively a SEC team
Florida st may sue CFP and espn
And that will do what????
@@STC987 Ever heard of DISCOVERY? You can get access to all the communications between the players about how they colluded to keep FSU out for $$$$. It would prove the corruption and with that, you can dismantle it.
I can see four ACC schools joining the SEC. Super Conferences are the future with four divisions in each and a three round Conference Playoff. The top two division winners get a bye. The winners in round one play the top two then the Conference Championship.
The Big 10 and 12 will also be Super Conferences with four divisions.
This would make the Conference Championship a massive Big Deal and goal for the teams and the bowl games are a bonus.
The BIG12 has already depleted down to the Tier 2 level. There won't be a peer P3.
Dream on! FSU needs $120 million to leave (exit free, no biggie) but the court case about the GOR would be 1/2 billion (law firm estimates) shared between them and probably Clemson with no guarantee of a win. Since Clemson and FSU are state-owned schools, the SC and FL taxpayers would foot most of the legal bills if allowed. And the two State Legislatures facing zero chance of re-election will surely kill that silly, risky plan. Anyone think donors will pony up $750M with no guarantee of an exit?
thats true, Wash ST games are always watched, idk why, but its been like that in the Pac12 for years.
WVU rivals are 1. Pitt, 2. Virginia Tech. The rest of the Big East Conference football teams are all bigger rivals to WVU than the Big 12. Nothing against the Big 12, but the majority of the teams are not in the Eastern time zone. As to basketball, WVU does not have enough players to due medical, NCAA waver deny, and suspension (which ends really soon). WVU just gets worn down in the 2nd half.
Great video as always. Get your intern to tape down that ear wire.
The acc commissioner screwed Florida state by not agreeing to start the 12 team playoffs in 23 so they had to delay it till 24, 6 of the committee panel were ACC PEOPLE, THEY SCREWED THEIR OWN CONFERENCE
Nonsense.
Florida State, Miami, USF(South Florida), and Clemson should all join the Big XII.
Perhaps upstart Florida Atlantic should also join the Big XII, as FAU now has a big time basketball program.
Why would FSU pay 700 million dollars to join the B12 just to get the same money. Iy makes no sense. Why would any ACC pay that to get the same money?
@@ijustwanttonap And downgrade in academic association, overall sports, etc.
My understanding is not just anyone is allowed to read the ACC GOR. As a matter of fact ppl can only read it in ESPN HQ, No copies are allowed to be made, and pictures are not allowed to be taken. Point being, him reading it seems a dubious claim.
The CFP failed. They failed to construct a
scenario where only one P5 undefeated team can
finish through the bowls. They created the
possibility for a split championship. 13
doorknobs in a room don't get to vote in a
National Champ, the teams determine this by
winning and not losing. FSU will not subsidize the
CFP's ineptitude.
It would cost about 700 million to leave the conference. Per team. Not happening. Why do you think FSU and Clemson are still in the ACC? None of these teams have that sort of money.
Drake, can you link the reports that you're referring to?
Biggest piece: 247sports.com/article/with-qb-transfer-portal-market-going-crazy-should-usc-fans-worry-about-malachi-nelson-222337077/
The rest is put together through various local sources, many of which are independent. I cannot and will not confirm any team has reached out to the Big 12, but it's easy to deduce how this is a strong possibility. My hope with this video was to display how realistic a seismic move currently is.
@@LockedOnBig12 Thanks for sharing. Is this the link that you intended to share? This story seems to be about transfer portal stuff, rather than ACC realignment.
Acc beat Sec head to head, so who has better conference?
Respectfully the Mountain West isn't West, the Pacific coast is West. OrSt & WSU are West. Media market size is what pundits regularly name as the main reason neither schools were added to the B12. The misinformations here was based on both schools being rural, had small media markets. Neither schools Media market is actually where their physical campus is, their fanbases and alum base actually live in the 2 respective large urban cities - Seattle & Portland. OrSt actually has a larger alumni base than sister university U of Oregon. When both are properly considered their actual media markets are in the top 20 in the country, significantly ahead of many of the other 130+ CFB schools.
Secondly, coming from published results, Media market is not the best indicator of related media dollars, viewership is. In 2023 OrSt was 5th in the Pac12 and 20th in the country. WSU was 8th in the Pac12 and 42nd nationally. The other top 4 in the Pac12 were Colorado (Deion effect), 4th nationally,. USC 11th nationally, U of Wash, 12th nationally, U of Ore. 18th nationally. Thus, the top 5 are in the top 20 in the country, with WSU in the top 1/3 @ 42. Last BTW in the Pac12? Arizona, 71st nationally.
Seems to me with Texas and Oklahoma leaving the B12 would have wanted to backfill with a back to back top 20 team in the country that had higher viewership other than Colorado than the rest of the G5 and Pac12 teams brought in? Not to mention also outshining everyone else in the B12 aside from exiting Texas and Oklahoma.
I understand now why Arizona President doesn't want the Beavs and Cougs to join the B12 but I'm wondering how ESPN and Brent Yormark critically missed this?
lol. Big 12 is in as much doo doo as the ACC. Nobody is leaving ACC to go to Big 12.
BigXII should try to add the following to start:
FSU
Lousiville
NC State
Pitt
Next tier:
Miami
Boston College
Va Tech
Syracuse
Pipe Dream:
FSU, Clemson, Louisville, NC State
Thought it was a bad decision for FSU to join the ACC and NOTHING has change my mind!
I'll be very disappointed if the Mountaineer Maniacs don't fill the Coliseum with "A-C-C. A-C-C" chants tomorrow night. I was at the first football game when Pitt announced they were bolting for the A-C-C. What goes around comes around.
ACC commisoner was spiteful that FSU wanted to leave, so he screwed FSU over and in doing so, screwed over the entire conference. He needs to resign! If I am ANY ACC team, I call for his resignation immediately. He doesn't stand for his own conference.
What did Phillips do that was spiteful and screwed FSU?
@@tarheel7406 He knew FSU was wanting to leave the ACC and voted against having FSU in the playoffs.
@@robmcwho Phillips had no vote on the CFP as far as I'm aware. The Chair of the CFP is the NCSTATE AD, but he had no vote either.
Is this all you have?
@@tarheel7406 i still dont understand how FSU Fans think boo would vote against an acc team being in the playoffs because it means for money for his school, like you said he probably had no vote on it...
@@theweatherguy9839 As if the ACC had any control over the inflation curve for college football either. Just lashing out at the wrong parties.
As a WVU fan….Yes please. Louisville, VT, Pitt. Any others would be gravy on my biscuits.
This won’t help them at all. If they don’t join one of the 2 Super Conferences, they’re going to be in the same position if this happens again (which it won’t with the expansion).
FSU, Clemson, and a couple others need to cut a deal with the SEC. Makes sense for travel, and would strengthen all. Who would need the Big Ten? I'm thinking of Miami and Duke too.
TV viewership? Regional only SEC will suffer if they do not expand beyond the south. Does FSU add that?
The SEC does not need to expand beyond the greater southeast.
Well well well... I guess the Big XII is not going to be relocated to some FBS conference?
You said the ACC was down this year, well they beat the SEC 6-4
OrSt and WSU are in this together so don't want to sour Drakes enthusiasm on the Cougs but respectfully 2023 Football revenue and overall general Athletic Department profitability and health leans heavily towards OrSt. Looks like Drake has access to the 2023 viewership numbers, needs to recheck the report. OrSt viewership which relates directly to TV media dollars were significantly higher than most schools, 20th in the country. As mentioned previously, OrSt would slot in at the top of the B12 in 2024 for viewership all things being equal.
Seriously I’ve been saying this… there is no way wazzu is going anywhere without ore state. They have made every decision togehter since the implosion of the pac.
One or more conferences get left out every year. Thats one of the main reasons the playoff is going to 12 teams next season. It was supposed to be this season but the ACC and Pac-12 both voted against it. Choices have consenquences
The SEC should have been that team on the outside.
And, like Saban said last Saturday, next year the 13th and 14th place teams will be complaining about not getting in. 😅
@@Postman1955 if the NCAA wants to make the 12 team format work and be fair, then they need to follow the bball tourney format..in bball, no 1 or 2 conferences dominate the invitations for the tourney...conference winners get an auto bid..that way the BIG and SEC dont claim 10/11 of the 12 spots....
@@carsonc29 I don't really follow NCAA basketball but I love the underdogs that get in and make it to the final 4. That's awesome and wouldn't mind seeing it in football once in awhile. Those old Boise and TCU teams were great. Even won their P5 bowl games pretty much every time
pathetic take @@Postman1955
How is this year a "down year" for the ACC? Given their cross conference record? Wtf, you disrespect even in the face of facts.
I wouldn't mind seeing Florida st and Miami in the big12 they already have ucf by doing that the big12 would have 3 schools from Florida would be interesting
In the 12 team playoff. Each conference automatically gets their champ in. There is no incentive for the Acc to implode. As it is almost every 12 team playoff spot would be filled by the P2 except the champ auto bids. No reason to leave for the Big 12, it's not happening.
Now is the time.
Florida State has should have joined the SEC years ago. Bobby Bowden didn’t like the idea. If you want to be more specific and inferential you need to play teams that are in the SEC.
FL State should not have to leave the ACC, instead the Playoff Committee should learn how to count wins and losses. 12-0 teams, such as Michigan and Washington are clear choices because of their perfect WIN records, not perfect games. Ugly win? AL winning against Auburn. More like Auburn throwing away a win. AL should have lost 2 games. Why can’t the Payoff Committee see that? They are bias against the ACC and sympathetic to Nick Saben’s whining his team is better when they lost against TX.
Texas does not have the 2nd best strength of scheduled. It was wrong that FSU didn’t get in, but with a 12 team playoff it would be advantageous to remain in the ACC.
Unless they're moving to the Big 10 or the SEC, any move is a lateral at best. You can't convince me the Big 12 is anything other than a dumpster fire.
This is 1000% ESPNs fault. They pressured the CFP to omit FSU. I cancelled ESPN last week. They SUCK!!!!!
I feel like this was the motive/power play, by the committee. So like I said, it’s the power 4.
Look, as an FSU fan for 30 years, I know we needed to leave the ACC yesterday. But Texas is in because they couldn't jump bama over them with the head to head win.
Fairweather fan! This is the first time ever an undefeated power five conference champion hasn't made the playoffs. Also the acc has a winning record against the sec this year so its complete network backroom shady deals that allowed this to happen. Jim Phillips is an assclown that allowed this to happen. Every ACC team should leave, the Big 12 would have never allowed something like this to happen.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was replying to the comments of Texas being so much better than FSU. I Am Not a bandwagon fan! I knew this was coming a month ago, listening to Kirk and the puppets on ESECPN!
@@JD-tq4sm What could Phillips have done?
That would be nice to get all the acc teams plus UConn and Gonzaga. Miami, Florida State, Clemson to the sec
It's not Texas that's the concern, it's Alabama. Texas earned their way in by beating Alabama. But you're correct that the ACC teams get no respect.
This is why you are interesting, you say, after saying you are not you sure you believe where there's smoke there's fire, you say, "I sometimes believe that." 😆😆😆
Good close out!
When you said FSU and SEC I stopped paying attention. They want the Big 10 and to be rid of ESPN
They want money, and lots of it
@@davidtemple2831 Money Disney doesn't have.
And if FSU can't get what it wants?
@@tarheel7406 FSU played themselves into this situation. SEC offered then 20 years ago.
They will now have to take what they can get.
@@davidtemple2831 The SEC didn't offer FSU anything 20 years ago.
What report? Did you just make it up so you can make a video?
If they are in one of those conferences they don’t go undefeated lmao😂
As for Utah, if Rising tries to run too much this season he will be out like the last couple of years for a good deal of time. He takes too much punishment by years end. Best example I can point to is the Rose Bowl against OSU. As for Arizona, they only beat the Utes due to Rising being out and massive injuries for Utah prior to the game in Tucson. Arizona never played Oregon. Half their defense hit the portal along with best RB; and its not over. To the NFL: 2nd best WR, 2nd best RB, Best TE, and best OL at tackle. Nobody behind Fifita with experience. Washington also flipped their freshman Four Star QB, Williams. Showed very good at the All American Bowl to. Then Fifita has to learn a new system and work with a different QB coach. For ASU, Daniels regressed when the QB coach, Likens, left. He was so bad and now won the Heisman? I'm not seeing this talk about them playing Oklahoma State in the championship either? It's a 7 to 8 win team. Tell me why not?
Honestly, yes FSU has had a couple down years since 2014, but our brand is big whether you hate us or love us. What happened this weekend shows that no matter what we do that being in the ACC we will never be treated fairly and will never be respected as a school or team. None of the other conferences are going to want our football team and moving to a crazy conference will possibly hurt our other sports teams. BIG 10 doesn’t want us messing with Michigan and Ohio State. SEC doesn’t want us messing with Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, or Texas A&M because it would be easier to steal some recruits. BIG 12 would be bad for FSU travel wise for all sports and fans. At this rate our only option would be to be independent.😢
It's now the Power Three, not five.
The BIG12 isn't now, nor does it have a feasible path to be, a peer P3. If an undefeated FSU in a yet to be depleted peer major conference can't overcome SEC bias, the new BIG12 has no chance.
I remain amazed at how dumbed down our society has become. In short, some time in the ~late 70s Jewish lawyers wanted to defend some Nazis in Illinois because their free speech, etc. rights were at risk. The local Jewish community knew that turning a blind eye will have much worse effects later. Few see things clearly these days.
Not expanding the playoff was a way to mitigate the effects of SEC bias, but now we see that wouldn't have worked.
Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, and Notre Dame heading to B1G
FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech to SEC
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Duke, Georgia Tech Big 12
Your heavy ACC depletion out to the P2 is commonly predicted and reasonable.
The additional scatter to the BIG12 serves no purpose. The Tier 2 won't have access to the Tier 1 playoff, and such a large and dispersed B12 won't have the gravity to remain stable.
If memory serves me correct, this is why they didn’t like the BCS because it was decided by a computer! Also, back in 2011 the two best teams in the conference *Alabama and LSU* which Alabama lost that year in regular season by 3 points and beat LSU in the championship 21-0. They said that year, we need people to pick the top 4 teams in the conference’s. That year they decided to go into a 4 best teams with a committee picking the teams. Yes Florida state won the first and last BCS championship game. Fast forward; now next year to keep the confusion down and not leave anyone out if you win your conference you’re in the 12 team playoffs. There will be 7 top extra teams to compete for a championship slot. But next year they will have the same argument with the 12th team. When does it end?
The ACC screwed themselves over by voting 🗳️ against having CFP expansion for this year
How? They qualified. The committee is the one who screwed them. Yeah you went undefeated but you voted against the expansion so you dont deserve to go lol. Thats such a dumb line of reasoning
@@skeeterfinklage445 Going undefeated is not an automatic bid to the CFP in their eyes. Theoretically you could have all Power 5 Champs be undefeated and still have a team left out of the CFP.
@@JDRusse11 yeah. But that's not what happened. When 3 teams from power 5 conferences go undefeated, they all go. And the ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year so I don't want to hear shit about the ACC being weak and the SEC being strong.
@@skeeterfinklage445Not to mention FSU held their SEC opponents to their lowest point totals. Save 1 point vs Kentucky, Florida and LSU scored less vs Florida State than any SEC conference opponent.
Nope. Events prove that not expanding was the right vote, but that assumed no CFP corruption.
If all the ACC and FSU knew going in was that FSU would be 1 of only 3 undefeated P5s, they would vote to keep at 4 all day every day. 1 of 4 is better than 1 of 12. Given the general reaction to the snub, few would have guessed that SEC bias would be so strong to overcome the constraints.
Please get FSU and Clemson, bring them all
VaTech fan here. Thank you @domenicdurante966 for pointing out those facts about the ACC. I have been saying this same thing forever and especially lately following the FSU snub. Everyone conveniently ignores the facts and purely speaks from conjecture b/c most never watch ACC football. The fact that the ACC has 4 teams ranked compared to the 5 from the SEC, 4 from Big 10 and 3 from Big 12, and the ACC has a winning record against the SEC and Big 10, The ACC, Big 12 and SEC have 9 bowl eligible teams, and the Big 10 has 8 are all facts which prove the ACC isn't drastically weaker than any other conference--except for perception and perception is reality. GA Tech is a mid tier, 6-6 team in the ACC, that lost to GA, the #1 team in the country by 8 pts--(31-23), and FSU didn't "dominate" and just walk through the ACC as they pundits would have you believe. The bottom line here is the ACC doesn't have a product problem, it has a branding problem. I agree with most of this podcast, except for this flawed notion that the ACC is "weak" or "down". I was pulling for the ACC to somehow survive, but more and more, it's looking like that the writing is on the wall. I never considered the BIG 12 as a viable option, but after watching this episode, I think it could be a good look. Contrary to this host's opinion, the SEC and Big 10 both are interested in several ACC schools, according to different SEC and Big 10 podcasts I've watched. Remember most of the ACC schools are in the South and natural rivalries already exists. However, you can believe that Florida really doesn't want FSU and Miami in the SEC nor does South Carolina want Clem. VaTech, NC State and Louisville round out the top "Football first" schools in the ACC who are attractive to both the SEC and Big 10. Ga Tech, UNC and Virginia are of higher interest to the Big 10 because of ASU membership. This will be interesting to watch unfold.
Moving to the BIG12 would only worsen problems. It has no brand, image or face. Considered the option of last resort where the outcasts have congregated. Outside of TEXAS's role in that evolution, the BIG12 isn't to blame for this.
Perception isn't reality, but it does control behavior. Of the football P5s, the ACC is unique in that it was the only one that has no basketball peer in reputation or outcome, and that overshadowed any level of football success. Fairness isn't a controlling factor in situations like that. Not sure what branding efforts could have been effective. The failures of the MIAMI and (sorry) VATECH expansions have been crushing.
I consider VATECH a Tier 2 ACC flight risk. That would generally mean VATECH is looking at 3 different possible fates:
a) Landing in the SEC and continuing to compete at the top level
b) Staying in an ACC that has "only" lost ~4 current members and competing at the Tier 2 level in football
c) Moving to the BIG12 and competing at the Tier 2 level in football
If teams like VATECH, PITT, NCSTATE decide to consolidate in the new BIG12, it's brand will be some hodgepodge group of scrappy competitors with various academic and overall sports ambitions. It would likely dominate the football Tier 2. There will be some designated rivals, but the rest of the schedule will mostly be relatively vanilla and non-regional. The ACC would rebuild as the group of private, more elite academic schools that also competes in Tier 2 football and with different overall athletic ambitions but with a stronger focus on non-revenue sports than the new BIG12.
The +3 suggests that the administrations of VATECH and the others do not want to go to the new Tier 2 BIG12 but prefer an academically branded rebuilt Tier 2 ACC with a strong non-revenue sport reputation. I don't have a position on what the active fans prefer.
Turmoil and Chaos since 2011 in College Football after Calm Before the Storm Series 5 Part from 2006 through 2010.
When Jordan Travis tweeted he'd rather of broken his leg midseason so it would prove FSU is much more than JT, that hit man. And the JT thing is just a scapegoat for their decision
WV fan here, yeah I'm loving it 😂.
If I was FSU I wouldn't play in the Bowl game