Metallica:Did They Steal Their Biggest Hit Enter Sandman From Excel? Tapping Into The Emotional Void
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Did Metallica Steal their song 'Enter Sandman' from the band Excel (Tapping Into the Emotional void)
0:00 - Introduction/Writing of Song
3:43 - Song Similarities
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As Metallica began writing their follow up record to 1988’s And Justice For All they would go in a much more commercial direction, much to the chagrin of some of their longtime fans. As they toured on And Justice For All they noticed the songs didn’t translate as well to a live audience • How 'Enter Sandman' Ch...
The first song written for their new album would be a track called Enter Sandman, while strangely enough frontman James Hetfield wouldn’t come up with the lyrics until towards the later part of recording the album. The song would prove to be Metallica’s biggest single charting at number 16 on the billboard hot 100 charts. But immediately after the song’s release it drew comparisons to another band who had some strange relationship to metallica, that’s what were going to explore in today’s video.
In the summer of 1990 James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich, Metallica’s principle songwriters met to go through song ideas which they referred to as ‘the riff tapes.’ One of the riffs the pair heard on the riff tapes was the Enter Sandman a riff guitarist Kirk Hammett had come up with. Hammet would be inspired by Soundgarden’s album Louder Than Love telling Total Guitar
“Back in ’89 I’d just discovered this new musical movement coming out of the Seattle area,”. “I was listening to a lot of Soundgarden. I was pretty impressed with the rawness of their sound and how heavy it felt.One thing we spoke about as a band was how much we all like bouncy riffs. So I was just sitting there with my guitar at three o’clock in the morning, thinking: ‘Soundgarden, bounce, flattened fifths…’ Almost simulating my mind to those sounds. And then this riff came out and I thought, ‘Whoah, that works!'
The band had previously worked with Flemming Rasmussen. They would enlist Motley Crue, The Cult and Bon Jovi producer Bob Rock to work on their follow up to And Justice For All. Some feared what Bob Rock would do to the band’s sound but Hetfield brushed off those concerns saying Some people thought Bob would make us sound too commercial,” said James Hetfield. “You know: ʻOh, Bob works with Bon Jovi, Bob works with Mötley Crüe.ʼ But if Flemming Rasmussen worked on a Bon Jovi record, would Bon Jovi all of a sudden sound like Metallica?”
Rock was known for being outspoken producer telling Uncut “I really didn’t give a shit, to be honest,” “When they started doing things the way they had always done, I just gave [songs] back to them. They were quite taken aback. When they’d do stupid things I’d call them on it. Lars would show up really late and I’d say, ‘What a f***** ahole you are…’ I don’t think people did that to them before.”
The original lyrics for Enter Sandman were centered around any new parents worst nightmare, sudden infant death syndrome with the line ‘off to never land’ originally being written as ‘disrupt the perfect family’. . The lyrics were flat out rejected by Ulrich and Rock who thought they were too grotesque. Hetfield would tell guitar world “That pissed me off so much!” “I was like, 'Fuck you! I'm the writer here!' But that was the first challenge from someone else and it made me work harder."
Hetfield would change the lyrics to write the song about childhood nightmares with him telling Uncut in 2007 "I wanted more of the mental thing where this kid gets manipulated by what adults say. And you know when you wake up with that s--t in your eye? That's supposedly been put in there by the sandman to make you dream. So the guy in the song tells this little kid that and he kinda freaks. He can't sleep after that and it works the opposite way. Instead of a soothing thing, the table's turned." The title Enter Sandman had already been kicked around by the band for nearly half a decade.
Released as the first single on Metallica’s self titled or black album on July 29, 191 it would usher in a new era for Metallica. Gone were the long epic metal tunes and init’s place were more simple rock n’ roll songs, something much more accessible to mainstream audience. The song would prove to be Metallica’s highest ch 
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Did Metalalica rip off Enter Sandman?
Nah. It's similar (kind of) but not ripped off...
Not at all, it's a little similar but certainly not " ripped off".
Actually shows what Lars bring to the band. Kirk's riff wasn't quite all the way there, Lars knew how to arrange it. He would have (rightly) cut Excel's song down to the parts that work; as it exists it's far too busy, at least for what Metallica was going for here.
No. The riff to “Tapping into the Emotional Void” goes Em, B, B-flat, whereas “Enter Sandman” goes Em, B-flat, A.
I don’t think the song sounds anything like Enter Sandman except maybe slightly the beginning part but that’s it. Certainly not a rip off.
After Excel broke up they formed two new groups; Word and PowerPoint. Hear they're very popular in the office.
That’s an interesting outlook
So many memories just staring out Windows with their music in the background...
@@mrgold714 I see what you did there 👍🏾
And I read this and went, “wait🤔” well played, young man, well played
The difference between some of the riffs is OneNote
Excel was awesome. They were a Suicidal Tendencies adjacent band. The album split image is a classic.
Excel was flat...Wasted Youth fell off around 87 and production was terrible...🍻
I always thought "Enter Sandman" sounded a lot like Danzig's "Twist of Cain"
Both songs use the same musical scale. That's why.
I mean, the notes are there. but not really the rhythm or even the order of them :0
James sings on that song too ;)
There's a quicker groove on the end of the riff (Tapping). Excel's first two LPs are pioneer West coast crossovers. Their cover of "Message In A Bottle" is mindblowing.
Great band I saw them a month ago
Mind blowing? Lol. Not so much. Great band but terrible cover.
I was one of those 20,000 people that bought Excel's "The Joke's on You" in '89, and actually I still have the cassette...although it's probably totally demagnetized and useless by now. There were some really cool tunes on that thing, and it's worth a listen if you like late 80's skate thrash (or whatever label you want to put on it).
Yeah, that's been used, too
I was also haha, although I should say I didn't buy it, I traded it with a buddy for a Kreator cassette
Give me a break. The only similarity between the two songs is the acoustic intro. Anyone who listen the Excel song since 0:30 (when the drums and electric guitar kick in) won't recall "Enter Sandman" at all.
Stone - get stoned
Metallica- enter sandman
Bigger rip off
Thank you
It's the fucking exact same riff, just with like 1 note different
you must not have made it to the chorus, it's the same exact riff
@@thomaspipe5910 "Just like one note different", then it's not EXACT the same riff. There's a couple differences more. Not surprised at all you found similarities between two metal songs, yet "Enter Sandman" riff is slower and less complex than the other one.
The 2nd hand story I heard was that the bass player from Excel was pen pals with Jason Newstead and sent him a tape of the demo with that song on it. They felt they were ripped off and just asked Metallica to take them on tour with them to compensate for it, but they basically told them to kick rocks, so Excel tried to sue them over it. That was always the story I heard about that. A fella that was good friends with Excel told me that years ago.
Didn't anyone ask the guys from Excel about this, back then? Or until today, even? People keep asking Dave Mustaine about his period in Metallica, 40 years later, I would like some interesting and refreshing metal journalism, for a change.
@@HeathenDance I agree Hearing about Mustain in Metallica and what Corey Taylor thinks about all of it gets reallllly old.
@@HeathenDance You've got that right!
Just listened to the Excel song. Acoustic intro, for sure has an Enter Sandman vibe. Especially because I was listening for it based on this video. Probably would have thought the same if I heard it randomly. Other than that the songs sound nothing alike.
Unless a band is intentionally presenting somebody else's stuff note for note and word for word who cares? We could do this all day, everyday. Including all genres of music and it would prove nothing. There's only so many sounds a given instrument can make.
I agree 100%. I experienced something similar about a month ago. The song American Idiot by Green Day is said to be plagiarism of the song Bad Reputation by Joan Jett. However I can’t hear how it’s supposed to be a blatant rip off 🤷♂️ . If anything to my ear Bad Reputation sounds more like Judy is a Punk by the Ramones. Honestly Bad Reputation sounds like ALOT of Ramones material.
Yeah, do the same to Metallica, as they did to other bands, and you will see how Metallica smashes your fucking unicorn-head in court... Ahahah.
@@Re-Todd_Howard In my book if you're going to sound like somebody else you can't really go wrong with The Ramones.
That's a very low-level take.
The point is that Metallica was in a much better position than Excel to succeed. They can take the riff, dumb it down and go into the stratosphere.
Imagine if you float around an idea and work on it as a hobby, then 3 years later, a friend of yours becomes a millionaire pursuing that idea. You know it's yours, you know where he got it from, yet you're getting absolutely stone-walled.
The correct thing here isn't to not steal. The correct thing to do is to admit influence and settle behind the scenes.
@@noname-ng6sj You and I said the same exact thing. Just in a very different way.
I was waiting to hear the 2 songs side by side.
There's a song called "Information Overload" on Living Colour's second album ("Time's Up") which a VERY familiar sounding riff; that album came out in 1990.
That is very similar to ES as well. Different enough that I wouldn't assume plagiarism, but yeah it does illustrate how there are only so many evil sounding flat fifth metal riffs out there.
@@kevdmiller That's true. I call them "variations on a theme" to be diplomatic, haha. Most artists take inspiration/beg/borrow/steal/whatever so it's not uncommon.
Didn't Lars say he told Kirk to rearrange the last part of that riff?
I kept waiting for the comparison segment of the video where we hear both songs. Guess I'm off to find this Excel song and see whether I agree or not.
Good to know, guess i'll just look up the songs and save the waste of time. I hate when creators do this.
if they played the songs, the video would immediately be copyright struck by the record companies that own the song, either taking down the video or just taking any revenue earned by the video until the creator clipped those parts out. it’s unfortunate but not the creators fault.
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Sandman only reached #16?damn I always thought it was #1
I thought the same thing. Even to this day, some radio stations STILL play it like it's still #1.
In your mind it will always be #1.
The hot 100 includes all genres of music so it was likely competing with pop hits of the day
@@TheRocketLombax The album itself debuted at #1 against those genres... so that logic makes no sense.
Stone Get Stoned is actually a closer soundalike that too pre dates Enter Sandman.
That being said, Excel’s Tapping Into The Emotional Void is the better track of all three in my opinion.
Exactly!!!
Wow you're like the only other person who mentioned it. Thank you
We just now figured this out? Welcome to 80's thrash.
To be clear Adam Siegal was a monster riff writer. If kirk heard this in passing, I am sure it would have stuck. I doubt it was stolen , so much as it stuck in his head.
Where is Adam now? I always loved Excel
I've told SO MANY people this...Metallica NEVER had a problem stealing other people's riffs. There's a great story that Kirk even tells about they want to use part of "Dying by His Hand" from when he was in Exodus (The "Die by my hand part of Creeping Death) which he actually wrote, but it was the way they were like "we'll use that riff here" and Kirk had to call Holt and let him know. It was the way they were so nonchalant about it that even Kirk thought it was weird...
@@ObsidianLife they would've sued them if they was 100% sure they stole it... Especially with Metallica's net worth
Whilst I think Metallica did borrow riffs from their influences in the early days, this similarity is just a co-incidence IMO. I write riffs that I think are my own, but someone, somewhere, will have come up with something almost the same, but we will never have heard each others music. That's what happens in a world with literally millions and millions of songs.
100%. I have been around rock bands my whole life, and my son is now a metal vocalist, and I'm constantly pointing out parts of their songs that sound just like other songs and they didn't realize it. I did it myself drawing an album cover. Looked just like an iron maiden cover and I had to scrap it.
Agreed. First time I heard the main riff in Megadeth's "In My Darkest Hour" I thought it was a rip off of Metallica's "For Whom the Bell Tolls". I was in a band. The rhythm guitarist wrote this great song. There was a breakdown in the middle. I thought it was an homage to Metallica's "Fade to Black". He had never heard the song. I played the riff on my bass and played the track. Aside from being in a different key, he admitted they did have a very similar feel. It happens. The more music you listen to, the more similarities you will find, especially if you want to find them.
I can see it and hear it right now. Kirk is showing these guys this cool riff he just learned from a band called excel. Then Lars says "you know, (lip smack) if we simplify that (lip smack) it would be a really cool riff. no?
They already admitted they used to play a lot of obscured band's music as their own in the early years. I know they never stopped.
There are two videos Masters of Plagiarism 1 and 2 look them up on RUclips and it will show you all the Riffs that Metallica decided to use as their own.
I’ve seen ride the plagiarism I’ll check those out
Riffs
Bu bu but metallica did it better - metallitards
I hope The Conjuring from Megadeth is on there.
@@arthurbrown4984 I will always pick Megadeth over Metallica but I will say every song I've heard Metallica cover was excellent except maybe Bob Seger and I don't hate that.
This is a really great channel.
Thx
Master of puppets is definitely inspired by « Andy Warhol » from Bowie and mick rondon is hammet’s favorite guitar player.
Tbh I think you could take a number of songs and find similarities in past songs. The way I see it is that as long as it's not an exact copy of the song in question, then I see no problem, but to each their own.
At 2:50 mark in, Excel's, Tapping into the emotional void, sounds like a Rush song. Which came first there?
I had always thought that parts of Enter Sandman sound similar to Testament’s Envy Life.
If the shoe was on the other foot you know damn well Lars would of threaten with a lawsuit in a second.but I bet he didn’t offer at least 50$ to excel.
Actually doubt that...unless they tried to associate it with Metallica somehow. You actually are REQURED to protect a copyright/ trademark. When Victoria's Secret tried to do the "Metallica" Lingerie for example, they literally HAD to cease and desist/ threaten to sue or you loose the Trademark. "Fans" (who, nowadays seems to believe bands should go broke entertaining them...) don't understand a lot of this type of stuff. They believe everyone ELSE'S shit free...the way a five year old does...
@@ObsidianLife kinda like when Lars threatened that free music site Lars got on the defensive.
I'm not sure it was intentional. The main chord progression is kind of a standard metal trope 'diablo'' interval thing, that if anything metal as a whole stole the interval off Holst's Planets suite (classical music thing, super epic sounding). There are definately parts of Excel's song that do have a few parallels with the song though.
Is it a "standard" riff/chord progression/melody?
from what i read/heard the riff that Kirk brought in was not quite the same riff that ended up on the album, but somebody (Bob Rock?) suggested they structure the riff differently and that's what ended up on the album
It was lars that suggested changing it to what we now know it as
I must say, Excel are such an underrated band. They haven't got a bad release. If you like 'groove' metal or just good metal, listen to Seeking Refuge. I know every second some bum online says this about some band but seriously, check it out and if you like that check out the other stuff starting with The Jokes On You. Every album is different but all top quality stuff. On a side note, can we have a Lars Ulrich / Michael Keaton drum battle please?
Huh?
@@jaredbaratta8589 We had Will Ferrell and Chad Smith. I demand a sequel with these guys
Oh Christ, I can't unsee the Lars/Michael Keaton thing now...
@@r.t.7159, I'm Snareman!
SPINAL TAP did the Black album first!!!!
None more black.
Well whiskey in a jar
Was from a covers album
Called Garage Inc.
But they really own there version.
If Thin Lizzy was alive i think
Hed be happy with it.
Check out the song "Get Stoned" by Stone.
Wow. That’s a bit closer to Enter Sandman
I just listened to Excels song and it sounds different enough that I'm sure it's a coincidence of sounds it's even harder now to come up with a riff that somebody else has also used...there's always somebody that'll say "Oh that sounds like that bit of so and sos album that track blah blah blah" 🤔
Tbf Dave told them not to use his material and they did, which launched them into fame to begin with.
Like how Megadave used Poland to write for RIP and then brought in someone else to his solos, with zero credit? Listen to Polaris and think honestly about who wrote that main riff.
@@springbloom5940 at least Dave mustaine is credited on his shit, unlike the incident you're referring to. He didn't write the songs on his own anyways he was a CO WRITER some people seem to not understand what that means so he really can't tell them not to use it anyways especially if they credit him which they did.
@@springbloom5940 Im not defending Dave on that or fanboying him, idr the full detail to that story but thats pretty shit. I love Deth and think Dave is far more talented than anyone in Metallica but he was something else outside of his music. Ive read and listened to his audiobook, he had a whole section where he discussed how his bandmates, like Marty, kept demanding more money and he was so upset about it. He acted like he wrote EVERYTHING and was being nice by letting small contribution be made by everyone else. He was a dick, though it seems like he has really mellowed out recently, but I do think hes still pissed about the Metallica thing. Lol
@@midnight347 im a millenial so my parents were teens when the Big 4 were becoming huge. To my knowledge they went some time not crediting him and Dave admitted that he didnt see money for a while. The way the story comes off is that Dave wrote the material first and then they helped build around it. To my knowledge its taboo to do what Metallica did, atleast at the time, and given the circumstances of them recordong their first album. However I do agree he didnt write EVERYTHING himself and even then we dont know who is telling the full truth cause both sides were not only messed up half the time but they are going to do anything to try not look bad. I also agree with Metallica's choice to kick him out.
The GnR song Sweet Child Of Mine sounds like a song from the band Australian Crawl. But no one has tried to sue anyone.
How do you have a video about how similar 2 songs are, and not play the 2 songs for us to compare?!?
I have master of puppets on cassette...i can blast that one day and night!
Listen to Zeppelin's Trampled underfoot and Trapez song... Midnight flyer. They're pretty similar
5:30 New York Gig on August 3rd (James's Birthday)
I remember waiting for a copy after work there was still a line.
Is that Joshua Weissman at 2:20 ?
Megadeths new album kicks serious ass....
I agree!
Hetfeild has the lyrics long before they recorded the album
Nothing Else Matters is heavily borrowed from I Still Love You by KISS
🧐 Great point! I Still Love You is a much
better song, too... way more interesting &
emotional, better vocals, drums, solo, etc.
IDK WTF Elton John was thinking when he
said "Nothing" is 1 of the best songs ever
written! It's actually kinda horrible & lame!
Yes a little similar but I don't think I'd hold up in court. Both of them are good songs. When I heard Metallica do that I didn't really like it at first but of course it's been ingrained and everyone's head
Sandman was most likely a subliminal reference to waking up at night in a clone of yourself at a secret government cloning lab.
Wow! Nothing new under the sun, or so I am told. I just listened to it and the similarities are uncanny, to say the least. Ah well, Enter Sandman is a hard rock classic.
The real question is: Why is there a Beethoven record on the turntable next to the "Enter Sandman" cover.
I first heard heard Excel, the song Tapping Into the Emotional Void was in the Santa Cruz: Risk It skate video on Eric Dressens skate part in like 1989 I think. I got hooked and yeah it sucked they just fell apart and into obscurity
Listen to Rainbow Warrior by Bleak House and tell me that isn't Sanitariums riff.
As far as I'm concerned Metallica's last album was And Justice for All. And that's just fine with me.
I feel same, all of Cliff's ideas were used up on Justice after that Metallica just like that was empty, new ideas . Creatively is a limited commodity.
@@napesdrk1174 You all need to grow up and let these 30+ year grudges against Metallica die.
That's a hard listen knowing what they did to Jason on that album. Now, there's altered versions on RUclips that sound better, but...yeah.
@@ikeelyouz4517 ? Anything after justice sucks regardless of any grudge.
Abso f******-lutely 🤘 I hated The Black album and everything afterwards I might have gave them a chance when I heard that they were being produced by Rick Rubin because I love Slayer and that album sucked a big one too
I had that excel cassette, I remember saying to a buddy man this sounds like Enter Sandman , but I know they obviously didn't steal it
@Jose CFDC no it's not haha, I really don't think they listened to an it and thought hmmmm let's steal riff, it has happened many time's, so many musicians have written songs, thousands!! Eventually it will sound like someone else
@Jose CFDC but they do an amazing cover of message in a bottle
Listen to The song Rainbow Warrior by the Band Bleak House. Totally Welcome home.
Funny than that one of Infectious Grooves' members would end up as Metallica's longest standing bass player
Metallica peaked with and justice for all!
@@bluestorm9651 you're drunk
And Justice had shit production.
Ride the Lighting was better.
Yes
PERHAPS.. but important ? is did THE JOKES ON YOU album come with instructions?
Several times, right Mustaine?
Stone: Get Stoned
Though it doesnt sound so much alike, it has its own rumours / stories.
I discovered Excel back in high school because of the similarities. Tapping Into the Emotional Void is way better than Enter Sandman. I like Enter Sandman, but Excel wrote a phenomenal song. It absolutely rips! Way more mosh worthy!
Master of Puppets riff was taken straight from David Bowie's Andy Warhol. Listen to it and you'll hear it
Lars is guilty of a lot of things.
#1 having the lame arse name Lars
I never heard about this.
I’m pretty sure if you’re a Metallica fan, you’ve watched their movie on making the Black album by now. Kirk states very clearly in it, that the riff to Enter Sandman was recorded at 3 o’clock in the morning in some hotel room and then Lars added the end of the riff to complete it. Didn’t have to watch 1 second of this video to know the answer to that question smh.
That doesn't mean it wasn't influenced by something.
If you ever played guitar, you know that the majority of riffs one comes up with appears right after learning a new riff. You re-purpose it. This was re-purposed, be it subliminally or not.
When you're doing a rifftape, you're just recording. You can absolutely have some of those recordings be you playing a riff you've just learned.
I made a song that just went platinum this year and I absolutely took the drumbeat from something. I literally can't remember what, though. I remember ghosting something, but I left it at just the kick/snare pattern and I don't remember at all what it was from.
The point is that one should be honest and settle.
@@noname-ng6sj that’s amazing 🤷🏻♂️lol. You could say ANY beat or riff was taken from some other beat or riff, that’s the most generic answer ever guy.
the Enter Sandman riff is everywhere but with different time lapses ..... so probably new musicians will find out !!! Like Iron Maiden ´´two minutes to midnight´´ !!!!
Glamtera straight up ripped Children of the Damned
Just listened to Excel's version. Similar? Yes... but in an inspirational kind of way. I'd say most of the music written was inspired by something that somebody heard, and they made their own alterations. However, the song structure does make it seem a little copied. Like the acoustic intro leading into the distortion parts.
There is no Fuckn way they had a chance in court for copyright!! This conversation is over!!! No wonder I only just heard of this shit now
they did it with a few songs through the years
Link to the Excel song ruclips.net/video/VXUYGraNtHU/видео.html
Link to the Metallica song
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Clippy, the frontman of Excel, couldn’t keep his shit together and kept getting blackout drunk and asking everyone if they needed guidance doing their taxes.
Great video.
I remember then seeing people line dancing on that song lol
A lot of Metallica's early riffs were "inspired" by other bands.
The Kill em all album is pretty much a big Diamond Head cover.
Check out Diamond Head on you tube, you’ll see.
Still love the Metallica album
it's cool...I stole a lot of their music online using Naps-.....hold on, somebody is knocking on the door....
Meanwhile Slaughter’s biggest hit has a riff that’s identical No Remorse
Does it really matter though?
Yes.
Do yourself a favor and just watch what Ruthless Metal has had up for over a year. His companion to each song is on point. Besides enter Sandman has parts of other songs on it not just Excells. It's actually unsettling but I'm not a musician
Dave must have gotten the password for this channel 😂😂😂
This story makes no sense, because the main Enter Sandman riff goes back to at least '87 and possibly further. Its on the Hetfield riff tape version of Dyer's Eve, along with Harvester of Sorrow. Hetfield has said its actually a really old riff that he never could make anything of.
Hammett came up with the riff so you're full of shit or should I say Excel came up with the riff 😎
There is a Stooges song has a riff sounds like it.
SLAYER!!
Gotta be careful about sueing; it would make just as much sense for Rush to sue Excel for plagiarising YYZ in the same song. Even if Kirk heard the song, there's no reason to think he remembered it and used the riff intentionally. Writing is a funny thing, once I wrote a riff on the spot and was really happy with it. Days later my drummer called me and said "that riff you came up with was from the Load album." I'd only heard the album once or twice and didn't care for it, I was like "are you sure?" So he gave me the title and it was the exact same riff but in a different key. Spooky thing was, there the "writing" process was the same as for the original riffs I wrote. I had no idea I was copying, it just stuck in my subconscious; I'd never even learned the song.
Just listened to the Excel track. Dude it’s hard to even make an argument out of “sandman is a rip off!” Because the songs are BARELY even similar. That first riff hardly being similar to sandman’s main riff. And the rest isn’t even close.
Non-musicians are always so easy to spot. Too easy. DUMB ASS, FANBOY.
It's Kirk Hammett's riff so, yes, it probably is stolen. 😉
"more simple" 🤔
There's no question that there are similarities between both songs, and I suspect too many similarities for it to just be coincidence...
I don't think it was intentional. But if Excel did take them to court they probably would have gotten a writers credit.
The Sandman riff is at the end of Hetfield's '87 Dyers Eve riff tape. So, that might be a bad gamble.
@@springbloom5940 How come, since the Sandman riff belongs to Kirk?
@@HeathenDance
Good question, because it's definitely Hetfield's riff, on his riff tapes, predating anyone else's alleged creation of it and Hetfield has said before that its something hes been kicking around since the old days and never found a place for it. This story just doesn't jibe with the facts.
@@HeathenDance
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Evidence is pretty clear that whomever actually wrote it, it was written years before what's claimed in this story.
They didn't steal from Excel, they stole from STONE, the 1988 song Get Stoned
Dave Mustain said recently on the Joe Rogan podcast that Metallica copied several rifs from him
When you say "recently" I assume you mean "beginning about 12 seconds after he got kicked out of Metallica."
@@reprintranch Ok that's really funny lol, so true. He's not wrong though, they definitely did take a lot from Mustaine. He was the most talented member originally. As a side note, I do get tired of Dave pretending like he's a victim. There's a reason they kicked him out and his attitude is a big part of that.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW Agreed x 100. I love Mustaine's music, he's a flippin' genius songwriter and incredible guitarist but he falls a bit short in the self-awareness department.
The question is, what riff did they NOT steal?
They stole Mustaines riffs, Hugh Tanner riffs, and Diamond Head riffs to make the first album.
I bet they would prefer royalties to Sandman than the increased sales.
People denying this aren't musicians.
Lets be honest here, Metallica borrowed bunch of riffs and melodies from various NWOBHM bands and some from Black Sabbath but also there are countless of other bands who ripped off Metallica riffs. imagine how many lawsuits would go around if every band sues other band for similar riffs. those clowns from Avenged Sevefucks ripped off whole Sad but true song. that is material for lawsuit, not one riff.
Nope. You're wrong, because Metallica cleared that one before release.
I have no idea how no one can hear that it sounds almost exactly the same. I don"t believe its a coincidence
Nothing strange about lyrics coming in late in metal music. Some songs had their lyrics written in the studio. Just listened to this excel song. Yes, there are a couple of notes that coincide with the sandman main riff. That's the only similarity. Because they're both using the same musical scale. This whole thing is a nothingburger, and if Excel had sued, they'd have lost. Those who say these songs are similar, know very little about music.
I just listened to the Excell song and it's not that similar and I don't believe anyone thought it was a demo of Enter Sandman. They would NEVER win in court.
The comments shit talking metallica are either mid 40 year Olds that are holding onto a 30 year grudge or 15 year Olds spouting shit their angry dads said about the band lol.
My favorite met album is Load BTW.
Just listened to the Excel joint, ohh yeah they had a case there. Never heard this before, hope it got the band some press.
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Dyers Eve riff tape '87. They really wouldn't want to push that claim.
@@springbloom5940 Ya, you guys know your stuff!