In Florida there is a saying: "The farther south you go, the farther north you are". Northern Florida and the panhandle are "southern". From Orlando south it's more latino and/or dominated by northerners who've moved there.
I live in Palm Coast between St. Augustine and Daytona Beach. Jacksonville may be "Southern", but St. Johns, Flagler and Volusia counties aren't. At least half the people in my city are from the Northeast. I've never heard so many NYC area accents in my life and I'm an hour south of Jacksonville.
@@PrincessPebbles0_0 Alas, there's less and less truly rural areas of central and south Florida. When I lived there in Gainesville (1971-1973) and Winter Park (1974-1982) it was easy to get out into truly rural Florida as I used to do on my motorcycle. My sister's family still live in Flagler Beach so I've visited recently and the places I used to go seem all built up now.
As a Texan when somebody asks me is Texas southern, Western, southwest or Midwest, my answer is always yes. Texas is its own thing, and to a lesser extent Oklahoma is closer to Texas than anything else
NE OK here, and while I would say the western part of the state can feel more like the west, we are definitely closest to the south in the eastern half. Don’t you dare ever lump us in with yankees.😝 And yes, I would agree, Oklahoma feels closest to Texas culturally. (Probably why we rib on each other so much.)
@@lollygaggins6316 Texas and Oklahoma I probably the closest siblings when it comes to States which is why we fight so hard against each other but haven't helped the other states if they start ribbing on our brother LOL
There's a lot of truth in that. Much depends on where you are in Texas. East Texas (the easternmost one-quarter of the state, minus the greater Houston metro) does have a southern vibe to it, but even that has gotten anemic over the decades as transplants from other places have moved there, although not nearly as in the numbers of the Texas Triangle. The northern part of the state including DFW and over to the Panhandle often feels like the Plains much as large parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas do. Central, West Texas and Southern Texas are a blend of Western and Southwestern. But even all of that is changing as people from other states have moved in and immigrants as well. I suspect that the Texas of 2040 will look nothing like the Texas of 1940, or even 1990.
@@stephaniewillis2976 the eastern part that is closer to Kentucky seems Southern for sure. Urban areas do not have as much of the southern culture as rural.
Florida was the first area settleled by Europeans when the Spanish arrived in 1513, even before the arrival of the Mayflower in Plymouth Rock, Massachussetts. In 1763, Spain traded Florida to the British in exchange for Cuba which the British had captured during the seven year war. The British occupied Florida until 1783 when Spain re-occupied Florida. In 1819 Spain ceded the territory to the United States as it could not afford to send settlers and was receiving little revenue from the territory. Florida became a State in 1845. In 1861 Florida joined the other southern states secededing from the Union and became one of the seven states of the Confederated States of America. During the civil war Florida was an important supply route for the Confederate army, therefore, the Union set a naval blockade around the state and northern troops occupied port areas such as Jacksonville, Key West and Pensacola.
As a Southerner in his late 30s, I have never known a time when Washington, D.C., Maryland, or Delaware have EVER been considered to be part of The South (or at least not in a political sense). There should be a sign on I-75 at the southern end of Sumter County, FL, that reads, "You are now leaving The South." 😄😆
@remington5978 it’s not about what it was. It’s about what it felt like and was referred to as being. I’m from Baltimore and we definitely didn’t consider ourselves the south. Most black folks I knew growing up in Baltimore all had family that had migrated north to Baltimore from Southern states in the 30’s/40’s-50’s. Ask anyone to name southern states and rarely would Maryland, Delaware or D.C. be on anyone’s list today.
@remington5978got friends and a huge family all over the state of Maryland and in D.C. We and nobody else I know, even others in this thread and others in the comment section considered Maryland the south. Maybe you’re the odd man out, because it seems like your feeling like a southerner in Maryland is specific to you and very few others.
I live in the Florida Panhandle, and it definitely feels like the South. You should come visit next time you are over here! Prettiest beaches I have ever seen 😍
@@JB09712 I was working in Pensacola, and I commented to a person that lived there that it didn't feel like Florida at all, and she said it's nicknamed LA; Lower Alabama. I'd thought that fit very well.
Yes. I agree with you, Daz. I live in Ohio but was born and raised in Tennessee. What states I consider Southern is determined more by their culture than by their geographical location. Florida and Texas have a whole different culture than the traditional Southern states, though, I would consider Texas closer to being a Southern state than I would Florida.
I’m from Georgia & I never considered the DMV to be the south. I always thought Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, The Carolina’s, Tennessee, Kentucky were the south.
Exceptions are Orlando, Tampa and Tampa south on Gulf coast and Daytona Beach south on East coast is about right for Northern culture all the way down to Key West (Conch Republic).
I agree with Gaynor the Hallmark of the South is the good cooking. I only consider those states to be southern. That map is fairly close to accurate imo.
I live in NE Oklahoma. Former Oklahoma history teacher here, sorry for the long post. We are pretty similar to Texas in that the eastern part of the state tends to be a lot more southern and then as you move to the western half of the state you will get more of a western feel. While some are breaking the category up to mean those states divided by where they fought during the Civil War, Oklahoma is an interesting case. We were Indian Territory at that time. A place set aside for the Native Americans who had been removed from southern states. They would choose to fight on the side of the confederacy, with small factions breaking away to fight for the union. The last confederate general to surrender was Cherokee General Stand Waite from Oklahoma. This is a massive oversimplification of a very complex issue, but it is one of the reasons I would always include Oklahoma as a southern state.
Lived in Tampa from 1984 to 1989. It was quite Northern even back then. Southern accents stood out when you heard them. Outside the city, people were Southern. If you take the major cities south of Jacksonville out, then Florida is Southern. Then again, those major cities account for quite a large percentage of the population today.
I’m a southern belle. I live in South Carolina. Beautiful state with both mountains and beaches. It’s lovely but I wish it was less conservative politically. Most of us consider the south the land below the Mason Dixon line. My mother’s family is 99% British and 1% Cherokee according to her DNA test. I’ve always loved all British things especially humor. 😊
I live at the bottom of New Jersey and we are below the Mason Dixon line. We are south of Baltimore MD and even with Washington DC. Yet we are not thought of as a "southern state"
I'm in Newark (NJ not Delaware) and I was shocked a couple of year's ago someone did article on the southern most tip of Jersey is furthest south as D.C.
Folks here in the US don’t even know most of the time because it has changed dramatically in the past few decades. People from NY, Boston, Philly and DC have flooded coastal southern cities, especially in FL. It’s a fun mix of people but definitely different than what you’d see in Alabama or Mississippi.
i was thinking anything north of i-70 midwest, anything south of i-44 southern, and anything between the two is mixed mainly from cultural point of view.
I live in South Central Kentucky and have always considered where I live to be southern with some Appalachian influence. My family has definitely considered themselves to be southern since I was a child. However, the further east you go the more it becomes Appalachian culture, and the further north you go the more northern and midwestern influences you’ll find.
Yes. My grandparents were from Morgan County, which is Appalachian. I lived in Cincinnati for many years, and Covington, Newport and Florence are basically Cinti suburbs.
I live in south central too! Butler county Kentucky, I definitely agree with the Appalachian influences because my grandparents accent sounds Appalachian, (I almost can’t understand them myself) and are southern baptist people, stereotypical southern food and very traditional family values. I honestly love it here in my little small town 😂 bowling green scares me sometimes.
I'm from the east side of Oklahoma. I think he layed it out pretty well. And to his point about Texas being more culturally southern on its east side, I've been saying the same about Oklahoma. I'd say ⅓ of it on the east side is more southern geographically, and probably culturally. Further west than that, the hills and woods start to dissipate until everything eventually becomes flat open farmland as far as the eye can see. At that point, particularly ⅓ of the west part of the state, I'd say it's more of the mid-west.
Folks in Western Arkansas have more in common with Oklahoma and Texas than they do to someone in Mississippi. While those in the Arkansas delta are closer to the Deep South. People are complicated.
@@Sprayber Yeah, I think so too. I think part of it in my region, geographically speaking, is because we're in the Ozarks. I also recall watching a very detailed video about American accents where they kinda explain the migration patterns and reasoning behind the different southern accents for different parts of the southern US.
My Dad was from Sallisaw in Eastern Oklahoma. Mom was from McClain County just south of OKC. Both of their families were culturally Southern. They had drawls (Dad's was thicker than Mom's), Southern Baptist, families were from Mississippi and Alabama before the land rush in Oklahoma. Mom was definitely a Southern cook (thankfully!). But I agree with your assessment of the state. The Eastern third is definitely Southern culturally. So is the southern part from OKC down to Texas. From OKC north its Midwestern. From OKC west is Midwestern. Its such a mix though that there's no hard and fast rules.
I have heard that Oklahoma is the end of the Appalachian Trail. That is true of the culture and geography in Eastern Oklahoma. Even though the central and western part of the state was settled by the land runs, the Appalachian Trail immigrants followed the movements of the Native American Tribes of the Southeastern U.S. as they were forced west. The Trail of Tears has a huge impact in Eastern Oklahoma.
I grew up and live in Northern Kentucky, right across the Ohio river from Cincinnati, Ohio. I have never considered us to be from the South. However, my sister and brother-in-law who left college and moved to Louisville, Kentucky are definitely considered Southerners! They only live 100 miles South of me and you might think we live in two different states! The speech, food, and pace of life are completely different.
That's funny. Louisville is closer to being like the Cincinnati suburbs than any other part of the state. If you grew up in Bowling Green or Paducah I guarantee you'd think of Louisville as Yankees. The city puts on airs of being southern for the Derby but the rest of the year it's much more Midwestern.
I'm from Georgia and I've always thought Kentucky wasn't easily categorized. It seems like it should be southern but has always felt more midwestern to me when I've been there.
I live in Butler county Kentucky, about a 45 min drive from bowling green (close to Tennessee) and it’s very southern here. My grandma and grandpa are southern baptists and their accents are almost like Appalachian accents, some of my own family I can’t understand lol My grandparents see people who live in bowling green and Louisville as city slickers 😂
Kentucky is kind of a little of a mix. We were a microcosm of the Civil War. We were taught in grade school that KY had more volunteers to the south than neighboring Virginia and more draftees to the North than neighboring Ohio. Brother literally fought brother. The state's history is full of songs and stories about this. I think of it as more of a central state. Where I live in Louisville, we are closer to Chicago than Atlanta. We are closer to the Great Lakes than the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, when our Little League team won the World Series it was from the Great Lakes region. One of our local colleges before they moved up to Division I, played basketball in the Great Lakes conference. The northern part of the state has cities that are actually suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio. Louisville has many suburbs that are actually a part of Indiana. We love biscuits and gravy. We're not big on grits. We do say y'all for multiple people but not for just one. We have both ihop and Waffle House so basically we are a blend. If you go down to the Tennessee border you'll be certain we're a southern state but if you go up to the Ohio border we seem like the midwest.
Yes I agree. I’m from western Kentucky, butler/Morgantown area near bowling green. And it’s VERY southern where I live, very religious and deep rooted southern beliefs, we say y’all and have very deep accents but 45 mins down the road, to bowling green, it gets very city and looses all the southern charm of Kentucky. we have always been stuck in the middle of rural and urban.
I'm in East Tennesse. 30 minutes to Virgina, 30 minutes to North Carolina. We are the South. We welcome everyone. Just understand, this is not Big city here. We say Hi, How are you. Excuse me, We open doors and hold doors and when somebody says thank you, we say you're welcome. We have never seen you? We will stand and chat, talk about the weather and when we walk away , we say take care, or you have a good rest of your day. Our mountains were settled by the Irish, Scotch, immigrants. Of course, we had to teach the British, we will only take so much. We may bend, but we don't break. If you want to move to America, move to the south. Everything you want within an hour or two drive. Beach, yep right there. Mountains, Yep right there. Moderate climate, good, polite people Yep, right there.. Love you all
I grew up in Georgia and live in Alabama now. The South: Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, and the Florida panhandle. Virginia used to be southern, West Virginia doesn't know what is is, Maryland and Delaware are mid-atlantic states and only southern by some serious outdated historic definitions, Oklahoma is western, and Texas is its own thing entirely. The only state I have a hard time categorizing is Kentucky, which seems very southern but every time I've been there it doesn't feel like it.
I was born, raised, and still live in Texas. I don’t like it when people lump Texas in with the South. Yes, we are geography in a southern state, but I’ve always called us South Westerners, not the South. I love my state, but I despise our governance. It leaves a lot to be desired.
Technically, Maryland is part of the south, but no one really considers it. Delaware is not. Everything south and west of Alexandria, VA is the south. Florida is southern down to central Florida, and then it becomes latin America. Southern West Virginia is southern, northern part, I'm not so sure. Texas, while it was part of the Confederacy during the Civil War, is more Texas than Southern, lol. It's got its own culture. A simple answer, though - if you can still order sweet tea at a restaurant besides McDonald's, Popeyes, and maybe a few other places, then yes, you're still in the south 😂.
I’m originally from Maryland and we don’t consider ourselves a southern state at all. For us the south starts at Virginia. That comes from most of us having family that’s from the South and you’d go to “the country (South)” in the summer to see family. We are definitely more culturally north/mid-Atlantic, but food culture is more South.
The Mason-Dixon line is the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland so by that definition, it's "south". Also, there was great concern during the Civil War that the state would secede leaving Washington marooned in the Confederacy. Lincoln stationed troops in Baltimore to prevent it. Finally, the agricultural economy of southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore is very similar to that of the upper south, and Baltimore in the late 20th century definitely had a southern feel (I don't know about now). I grew up in Montgomery County and went to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore by the way.
@@BTinSFI grew up in Baltimore, near Good Samaritan hospital. My paternal family all migrated to Baltimore, the North for them, from North Carolina in the 50’s. We’d go “south” to North Carolina for family reunions every summer. My maternal family came to the city from the Eastern Shore in the 30’s/40’s. Almost every black person like me I knew growing up had grandparents and other family down in the country, mostly North Carolina, and their family had migrated North to Baltimore in the 40’s and 50’s too. So for us, we never considered that we were a Southern state, except for the Mason-Dixon Line.
@@annfrost3323I know what Maryland was. I mean Harriet Tubman is from Maryland, , escaped to the North from there and began the Underground Railroad there. I’m just saying what it felt like growing up there and even now; if you asked Americans to name Southern states, Maryland wouldn’t be on anyone’s list.
@@annfrost3323Yea that makes Maryland the south for sure but most people wouldn’t consider it the south even though it is. I still don’t think Maryland is the south though.
these are considered the Mid-Atlantic staes, another way to look at the region The Middle Atlantic region is an area in the northeastern United States. It includes the states of Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania and the District of Columbia. The Middle Atlantic is part of the Northeast, a larger region that also includes New England
Actually Which colonies had the highest population of slaves? In fact, throughout the colonial period, Virginia had the largest slave population, followed by Maryland and At one point, the majority of South Carolina's population consisted mostly of African slaves, with the highest concentrations in the plantation areas of the Lowcountry. By the 1860 census, the population was 703,620, with roughly 57% or 402,000 classified as slaves.@remington5978 Though Maryland was a a slave state, many of the Africans were given their freedom, {manumission} because this was less costly, and they were afraid many of their slaves would be kidnapped by southern slave owners seeking escaped slaves. Why, Because they needed the labor because the land was not vialbe to the same crops grown in the south.Second, the Quakers were settling in Maryland because to be a Quaker in Virginia was dangerous. lord Baltimore allowed the Quackers to settle in Maryland. in the early 1930's Many of the Africans Americans began buying land in. Free Blacks in Hartford, Somerset and Talbot counties, Maryland by Mary K. Meyer. Many of my ancestors are listed in this book.
I'm not a southerner myself, but an American, and I wanted to thank you guys for your genuine and nuanced takes on what you've experienced when visiting, or what you've read about the various quirks that exist here in the States. I appreciate the genuine and fair takes you guys consistently have, which reminds me that the loud obnoxious voices that stereotype or simply slander a country or entire culture based on easily debunked myths or overblown differences. I'm from CA and lived for a while in Indiana and went to college there, and I have family and friends all across the nation and It's genuinely refreshing to my psyche that I shouldn't lump say all Brits or Europeans together as being obnoxious and disrespectful. I have family in the UK and whenever I've visited Europe I've always made sure to really take in the nuances of what life is like in those countries/regions and respect them as they are more or less the same as any other group of peoples simply trying to live their lives how they see fit, and sometimes things don't go as planned and sometimes they are blessed with qualities other counties/regions are envious of. I remember when visiting my great aunt (and some close family friends we know through her) in Manchester whenever my Mother and I got asked what we were doing in Manchester (as I'm sure my accent is hardly Mancunian lol) and when we would smile and say oh were visiting on 'holiday' and we're from California, the overwhelming majority of the responses were genuine confusion like "Why would you take the time to visit here" or just genuine confusion as to why we would bother visiting the UK outside of the classic tourist hub of London like we were somehow lost Americans haha. I'm sure you guys must have similar stories when you visited rural American states like Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky, where I'm sure you got plenty of puzzled people wondering why you'd visit so far off of the classic tourist traps most flock to. I hope it gives them some sense that they're hometown or state may not be perfect, but is interesting and culturally fascinating to those who have never been. The West Coast and Midwestern parts of me naturally tend to have a knee-jerk negative connotation with the American South as all of the baggage between the Civil War revisionism or political mudslinging. But I don't hold individuals down there as culprits worthy of ire as usually the craziest/most outrageous figures are simply just the loudest, while the vast majority of people across the world are 95% of the time friendly and kind people and don't really care that you maybe from a different culture. I visited Svalbard, Norway in 2016 and visited the Russian(Soviet era) enclave mining town/ghost town/attempted tourist attraction and had many pleasant and some very friendly and playful joke rivalry spats about our favorite NBA teams. Sorry this turned into a rant, but I just wanted to really emphasize how much good you guys do for American's view of in your case Brits viewing America. One of respectful and an inquisitive additive that really helps Americans who haven't been fortunate enough to afford going outside of North America a much more respectful view of non-Americans as sometimes social media pushes the controversial and obnoxious cultural warriors that feel the need to put down other cultures as inherently backwards, which unfortunately has turned off many Americans from wanting to travel to places in Western Europe due to the fear that they'll be ridiculed and not welcomed simply because of the fact that they came from the States. So I hope you guys didn't see much of the converse happening when you visited the states :\ Cheers :)
I live in the PNW and hearing some coworkers argue about if their former state was "in the south" or not was mind numbing. It's like a badge of honor they wear the rest of the country mocks.
I lived in southern Maryland for four years in the late 80's. I would classify it as the South. Anything from Washington D.C.. and north/west, I would not.
My dad, a southern man from Missouri and raised on a farm with no electricity and my mom, a yankee from Indiana and raised in the city with everything available at the time, have been married for 67 years now. My dad, a true Republican and my mom, a true Democrat! I’m the youngest of 4 and we moved from Missouri to Arkansas when I was 3 so I’m southern and proud of it but boy, I can definitely tell the difference in the way my parents think, believe, etc!! Lol! I guess opposites do attract! 😂
I live in west central Fla. true. The northern part of Fla is the south down to the central Fla. the further south you go from the central part of the state the further north you go.
Texas was very south at the time of the war. A slave/cotton state. After reconstruction the cattle and oil industries became big, it began to market itself as the west.
I have been to the Florida Panhandle several times and it definitely feels like the South. When I went to Miami, it did not feel like the South. Actually the Panhandle is sometimes referred to as LA or Lower Alabama and at one point the area wanted to leave Florida and become part of Alabama. I think people assume all of Florida is like South Florida. You can travel from Slidell, LA to Biloxi, MS to Mobile, AL to Pensacola, Florida (4 states) in very little time. You can have multiple cultures within a state. Most people in Biloxi have more in common with Slidell and New Orleans than they do with Jackson or Tupelo because it’s much further away.
I'm not confused about it. The South (Dixie) is everything south of the Mason-Dixon line and East of the Mississippi River, with the exception of Florida. It used to be a part of New York, but it broke off and floated down. (That's a joke)😂
Not sure about others, but I had such a tough time hearing both you and the video to which you're reacting. I'm watching a string of videos, and it's just this one that seems quiet, even with my volume turned up. If it's just me, then it's just me. Profound, I know.
@Daz, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Carolinas - these are "Deep South" states, but Texas and Florida are certainly "southern" states, not only geographically but more so culturally, and we're in a period now where that southern identity seems to be reinforcing itself more and more, especially in Florida. Moreover, the panhandle of Florida and all inland places of the state have always been deeply southern. Only the coastal area in the far south of the state, around Miami around to Tampa, at times back in the 80-90's felt sort of "northern". Kentucky and Tennessee not "the South" ? 😲
Finally someone with common sense! Florida and Texas aren't the south to some people because they're the biggest and able to have its own identity. When you think of Texas and Florida... you think of Texas and Florida. When you think of the deep south states like La, Mississippi, Bama, etc you see them all as one just bc they're all very much the same. No disrespect but compared to other states that's why they're all the "deep south." Not to mention Texas and Florida is like 25 percent of America lmfao.
Tennessee and Kentucky are definitely the south, especially when you look at the history of the states and culture and even the accents that shouldn’t even be a question tbh.
@@tyreek.6815I wouldn't say Texas and Florida have an identity. Its nothing unique cultural wise besides Lot if Spanish speaking citizens. Texas have a slogan and Florida is know for their crazy people. That is literally the only difference...
People from the coasts migrate South because it's cheap, occasionally there are political motivations. As for the recent influx of Mexicans in Texas and California, just a couple few generations ago, that was Mexico.
I keep hearing people FROM the south saying these things, like "oOoOoOoOo people are running from Cali and NYC and moving to Texas and Florida because it's sooooooo much better", but I haven't actually seen it. Like....at all. Because anyone with any real intelligence and also doesn't take what Joe Rogan and others like him seriously, know for a fact that Texas and Florida are objectively not better and it's just politicians coping hard.
13:20 as a northerner (nys), how much wider the roads and landscape seem to be is what always stands out most to me. Ive never seen such wide open spaces til I came to the south for university, I think what I’m used to infrastructure wise may be more condensed like the UK..
Wow..... Daz is 100% correct. The mason dixon line does run right through Maryland and southern Delaware. In fact it splits a town called Delmar in two. Delmar Maryland and Delmar Delaware. Pretty impressive a guy from England knows American geography so well. 👍
What?? The Mason-Dixon line does Not run through Maryland--it is the northern border of Maryland. Nor does it run through Delaware--it forms the DE-MD border.
I would not include Maryland, Delaware and DC in the South, they are culturally part of the Northeast. The rest is the South, however, I would clarify some things. The Appalachian/Ozark South of hill folk would include: West Virginia, the far southwest of Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, the Huntsville area of Alabama, and western North Carolina. The "New South" would include: most of Virginia, most of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida from Jacksonville, down thru Orlando and into central Florida. These are the areas where people are really moving and tourism, high tech and cities are flourishing. Southern Florida is culturally closer to the Caribbean, intermixed with retirees from the Northeast/Great Lakes region of the Midwest. Most of Alabama, the panhandle of Florida, all of Mississippi, and northern Louisiana are really old school Deep South. Southern Louisiana is Cajun French (New Orleans area). Oklahoma is definitely culturally Southern, but has overlap with the Plains region of the Midwest. Texas also has overlap with Southern culture and the Hispanic culture of the Southwest (Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Las Vegas area of Nevada, and southern California).
Interesting topic! I find he has a very balanced view! Which is refreshing! I live in North Florida Gainesville to be exact! But my home is West Virginia! PS, I definitely consider Florida to be Southern, you can debate, make things interesting, but I do find that Floridians have Southern values. You have people that have immigrated from the from the north! They may not! Have Southern values!
I am from northern Alabama and my mother's side is from Roan Mountain Tennessee up in the Great Smoky Mountains we consider the middle of Florida up as southern states with Southern Pride❤
It’s very similar to how the lines between “The South” “The Midlands” and “The North” are poorly defined in Britain… But when you’re in these areas, you know it
Yes, the states you have in red are southern. There is a little more to it. The Mason Dixon Line goes through the narrow Maryland Panhandle over West Virginia and the lower third of Ohio, just about 40 miles below Columbus. Now follow that latitude line through Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois and Missouri. People who live below that line, for the most part, were and are, to some degree, southern sympathizers. Many of them have southern accents. The MAJORITY of them, in 1860, were anti-Lincoln. So officially you are correct about those red states, but what I have written above is just some interesting additional information.
Southwestern Ohio considers themselves the North, but there are many born in Kentucky, WV, and Tennessee who moved to this part of Ohio for work in factories. There is a heavy Appalachian influence here.
I was born and raised in the southern part of Virginia. Virginia is the cut off point for the South. The northern part of Virginia is the gateway to the Mid-Atlantic while the southern (geographically) part of the state is the gateway to the South.
As someone from Kentucky most of us Kentuckians consider ourselves southern. Lots of sweet tea, people saying y'all, rebel flags and so on. I know KY didn't secede during the Civil War, we were a border state (a slave state that remained in the Union), but there was a large minority that wanted to secede. In the county seat of the county where I grew up there were two hotels during the Civil War on opposite sides of the street from one another. At one of the hotels, you could get news from the Union army and sign up to join the Union army on the other side of the street you could get news from the Confederate army and sign up to join the Confederate army. Supposedly there were also some fistfights in the street. The only ones who wouldn't consider themselves southern in KY are a few people in Louisville and the area known as northern Kentucky which is right across the river from Cincinnati. Like he said about politics it is nuanced. Some in West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware consider themselves southern and some parts of Missouri consider themselves to be southern. I know people in southern Illinois and southern Indiana who try and claim they are southern, but there is a distinct difference when you cross the Ohio river. Good video as always!
I once dated a girl whose father was a New York Jew and whose mother was a Puerto Rican . When she told me she considered herself a Southerner because she was born in Miami I said " OH HELL NO "
this was a hard one, first, the volume was so low i had to rise the volume way up, but when the commercial came on, i nearly lost my hearing. can office bloke please adjust the volume of your channel? North Carolina is 100 percent southern in culture and its geo locale.
There are many areas which are not geographically in the South but where the people are pretty Southern in lifestyle and attitude .This is true of southern Indiana, downstate Illinois,southern Missouri , Kansas ,and southern Ohio,and most of the West except the Pacific coast states are more Southern than Northern in character. The Mason-Dixon line is the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania . It is named for the two surveyors who laid it out .It became sort of the unofficial border between North and South during the Civil War .
The issue with deciding who is Southern or not is that you cannot really use state borders. While there isn't one Southern accent, it is recognizable as Southern when you hear it, so I use the accent as my guideline. Going around the edges, the South includes Texas, half of Oklahoma, the lower half of Missouri, the very southernmost parts of Illinois and Ohio, West Virginia and all but the part of Virginia that is close to Washington DC. Florida is Southern from Orlando up, but below that it is northern or Latin American. Texans may claim they are different from the rest of the South, but that is true for every state, so I roll my eyes and say, "Y'all are as much a part of the South as the rest of us".
Im from the South: South Carolina i mean.... Next time visit Charleston, Myrtle Beach & Biltmore House in North Carolina. Asheville is nice, too in NC.
I definitely would subtract Maryland and Delaware right off the bat. Also out: the northernmost quarter of Virginia and the southernmost 3/4 of Florida. I'm on the fence about Oklahoma.
I was born and raised in Georgia and my family is from Alabama. I currently live in Northwest Arkansas and trust me when I say, I no longer live in the South. The Mississippi delta region however on the Arkansas side is definitely the South but the difference between Northwest Arkansas and Southeast Arkansas is massive. Oklahoma is Oklahoma and Texas is Texas- a true Southerner claims neither.
I live in North Central Arkansas. 30 miles east is the flatlands of the Delta and a lot different from where I live. Arkansas really is split into 4 areas. The Northwest is akin to Oklahoma, the North Central is more like Missouri, the Delta is more like Mississippi and the South is not quite Louisiana but close. Arkansas is more complicated than it's people know.
So weird growing up in the Los Angeles area as a White guy. I didn't realize it until now, but I tend to judge "The South" based on accents of the people living there. It really reveals things about myself because I was also a linguistics major, getting my BA in Spanish. I consider Texas part of the South, but don't consider Florida part of the South. I guess for this same reason. I'd never thought about it before. Great video!
The true “Deep South” is usually Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina (some people don’t consider Louisiana but some do) then you have the states that are mostly southern but have a little culture variety like Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia and Florida. Then lastly you have the states that have some southern parts and culture but don’t consider themselves southern like Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Maryland and West Virginia
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Maryland, West Virginia, and Delaware are tricky. They were below the Mason-Dixon Line, but they weren't a part of the Confederacy. Additionally, West Virginia wasn't established until 1863. It was a part of Virginia under the Confederacy, but after it split it joined the Union.
The Florida panhandle is the South but Southern Florida is not. Texas is it's own thing and Arkansas and Oklahoma are less Southern than you may think. Arkansas in particular is split.
I’d understand if people didn’t include Oklahoma in the South. It’s a weird on the fence state. The top half isn’t very southern but the bottom half is.
Mason-Dixon Line is named after the 2 surveyors that set the boundary between Pennsylvania and Maryland. West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War. They weren’t really southern and plantation owners; they are mountaineers.
Georgia is a part of the south. There are several different cultures in the south. There is Cajun, then the Delta from Louisiana up through Tennessee and Arkansas, there are Mountain folk in VA, TN, NC, SC, GA and even Arkansas. Then you have Farming throughout all of the south. So the blending of these cultures, the languages (dialects) the humid heat( don’t forget that) the food, definitely the food. That’s what the south is about. We ain’t in a hurry, we are still friendly, even though everyone seems to be moving down here. Oh we can still plant, catch or hunt down our food if we so choose. We grew up with guns so I guess that would be another cultural thing. My kids, now adults grew up with guns, so yeah that’s still a thing. So much defines this area, I hope it never looses itself and becomes too busy to help people.
I'd say south Louisiana isn't really like the rest of the south, especially New Orleans. The accent is very different too. Like it's more of a laid back New York accent.
There are multiple accents in South Louisiana but I think people from around Houma don’t sound like New Orleans people. And NOLA varies too but sometimes I can tell what ward someone is likely from. Some people sound similar to New Yorkers. IMO they tend to be West Bank. Some sound Caribbean and have a distinct way of pronouncing words like baby, water, oil, and such. I had a friend from NOLA who for years I assumed was Haitian until I heard a bunch of people who sounded like her. The Cajuns of South Louisiana I typically can’t understand unless they code switch. Not for sure it’s even English otherwise. The movie Water Boy was an exaggeration with some truth. 😂
@anndeecosita3586 Yeah, the accents within the state vary quite a bit. I live in Hammond, and it's a mix. Probably has to do with the university bringing in outsiders and people from New Orleans moving here to get away from the city. It's what my parents did. My mom was from Uptown NOLA and my dad from the River Rd. area and later Kenner. You'll hear people with NOLA accents, Cajun accents, different southern drawls, and people like me who have more of a non-regional accent.
From my perspective the south starts with Virginia to Northern Florida, and west to Texas, strictly speaking the running joke is a long time ago Florida broke off of New Jersey and floated down and attached itself to Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.
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In my mind I consider Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia as the Deep South. If you’re talking just south in general it would include Tennessee, the Carolinas, Virginia, Arkansas and Kentucky.
My friend and I were talking about how the northern parts of MS, and AL and in certain parts of Louisiana feel more traditionally southern than the Southern parts of those states. The culture is different. The coast is more tourism driven, seafood, shipbuilding economy driven and north more agricultural. The Gulf Coast has a lot of French heritage because it was part of Colonial Louisiana. Mobile was the first capital. On the coast they eat more like Creole cooking like po boys, gumbo, crawfish and the like. Also Mardi Gras season is a very big deal on the coast but not as much in northern parts of the states. Schools let out for Fat Tuesday. A lot of people I know belong to krewes. A lot more Catholics too in the southern area than in the northern parts. I have some friends from the coast who attended Ole Miss and were called Coast trash. I can usually tell by accent if someone is from North or South Alabama.
The Mason Dixon Line is NOT the Missouri Compromise Line of 1820. Granted, if the Mason Dixon Line was extended to the State of Missouri, it would be somewhere in northern MO between Kansas City and St Joseph. The Missouri Compromise Line in geographical terms was 36/30..(the southern boundry of the new State of Missouri) ..the latitude line separating Virginia from North Carolina and Kentucky from Tennessee. North of that line, in all future western expansion of the U.S., slavery would be illegal, except in Missouri. I'm a Missourian,and it only takes a glance at the map to understand why MO didn't secede along with the rebel states. If we had been disloyal to the Union, we would have been surrounded on three sides by 'enemy' territory.
He was correct, the Mason Dixon line starts in Maryland. A lot of the area was bought from Spain or France and there were already slaves. Native Americans kept slaves. Everybody kept slaves. Southern fox is the best food
I'm a Southerner, and Daz is spot on. And even states like Louisiana can vary. Northern Louisiana is definitely culturally Southern... however, south Louisiana is completely different. The more rural areas in south Louisiana are heavily Cajun, which is unique, and New Orleans has it's own thing going on. Both the Cajun areas and New Orleans are unmistakably Southern, but it's a whole different thing than Georgia or Alabama. By the way... Georgia is as culturally Southern as it gets.
Exactly. A lot of states have noticeable cultural differences within them. You can drive from Slidell LA through MS, through AL and into FL in probably like two hours but it would take you three hours to get from Biloxi or Mobile to the state capitals of Jackson or Montgomery. The Gulf coastal areas of these states have a very different culture. Also being in Pensacola or Tallahassee doesn’t feel that different from Mobile to me. Pensacola meanwhile feels a world away from Miami.
I think there’s confusion of “south” and “Deep South.” For Deep South its Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the panhandle of Florida. The rest of the south is debatable. Some others claim to be in and others out. I’ve been in the deep south all my life and I love it. Born and raised in Alabama, lived in Louisiana, now live in Atlanta
In Florida there is a saying: "The farther south you go, the farther north you are". Northern Florida and the panhandle are "southern". From Orlando south it's more latino and/or dominated by northerners who've moved there.
I completely agree!
Middle Florida is very country too… anything outside of the big cities (big cities is where all the out of staters move to) is Southern
I live in Palm Coast between St. Augustine and Daytona Beach. Jacksonville may be "Southern", but St. Johns, Flagler and Volusia counties aren't. At least half the people in my city are from the Northeast. I've never heard so many NYC area accents in my life and I'm an hour south of Jacksonville.
@@PrincessPebbles0_0 Alas, there's less and less truly rural areas of central and south Florida. When I lived there in Gainesville (1971-1973) and Winter Park (1974-1982) it was easy to get out into truly rural Florida as I used to do on my motorcycle. My sister's family still live in Flagler Beach so I've visited recently and the places I used to go seem all built up now.
@@BTinSF It makes me so sad how much everything has grown… they don’t want us to have small towns anywhere anymore
As a Texan when somebody asks me is Texas southern, Western, southwest or Midwest, my answer is always yes. Texas is its own thing, and to a lesser extent Oklahoma is closer to Texas than anything else
As an Okie I can confirm..SE Oklahoma is very old school southern, but the rest of the state is a mix of Midwestern and southern..
NE OK here, and while I would say the western part of the state can feel more like the west, we are definitely closest to the south in the eastern half. Don’t you dare ever lump us in with yankees.😝 And yes, I would agree, Oklahoma feels closest to Texas culturally. (Probably why we rib on each other so much.)
@@lollygaggins6316 Texas and Oklahoma I probably the closest siblings when it comes to States which is why we fight so hard against each other but haven't helped the other states if they start ribbing on our brother LOL
There's a lot of truth in that. Much depends on where you are in Texas. East Texas (the easternmost one-quarter of the state, minus the greater Houston metro) does have a southern vibe to it, but even that has gotten anemic over the decades as transplants from other places have moved there, although not nearly as in the numbers of the Texas Triangle. The northern part of the state including DFW and over to the Panhandle often feels like the Plains much as large parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas do. Central, West Texas and Southern Texas are a blend of Western and Southwestern. But even all of that is changing as people from other states have moved in and immigrants as well. I suspect that the Texas of 2040 will look nothing like the Texas of 1940, or even 1990.
I personally don't include West Virginia, Delaware or Maryland in the South.
West Virginia, yes! Delaware and Maryland. We'll duh!!!
Lol u must have never visited West Virginia.. it’s more of a southern state culturally than Virginia by a long shot
@@stephaniewillis2976 the eastern part that is closer to Kentucky seems Southern for sure. Urban areas do not have as much of the southern culture as rural.
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I definitely see West Virginia as Southern.
Florida was the first area settleled by Europeans when the Spanish arrived in 1513, even before the arrival of the Mayflower in Plymouth Rock, Massachussetts.
In 1763, Spain traded Florida to the British in exchange for Cuba which the British had captured during the seven year war. The British occupied Florida until 1783 when Spain re-occupied Florida.
In 1819 Spain ceded the territory to the United States as it could not afford to send settlers and was receiving little revenue from the territory. Florida became a State in 1845.
In 1861 Florida joined the other southern states secededing from the Union and became one of the seven states of the Confederated States of America. During the civil war Florida was an important supply route for the Confederate army, therefore, the Union set a naval blockade around the state and northern troops occupied port areas such as Jacksonville, Key West and Pensacola.
As a Southerner in his late 30s, I have never known a time when Washington, D.C., Maryland, or Delaware have EVER been considered to be part of The South (or at least not in a political sense).
There should be a sign on I-75 at the southern end of Sumter County, FL, that reads, "You are now leaving The South." 😄😆
I’m from Maryland, and I have always called my state a Mid-Atlantic state, not Southern or Northern
It happens right after you leave Jacksonville heading south in NE Florida. Live in Palm Coast and its not Southern at all.
@remington5978 it’s not about what it was. It’s about what it felt like and was referred to as being. I’m from Baltimore and we definitely didn’t consider ourselves the south. Most black folks I knew growing up in Baltimore all had family that had migrated north to Baltimore from Southern states in the 30’s/40’s-50’s. Ask anyone to name southern states and rarely would Maryland, Delaware or D.C. be on anyone’s list today.
@remington5978why so confrontational? They weren’t commenting on the history.
@remington5978got friends and a huge family all over the state of Maryland and in D.C. We and nobody else I know, even others in this thread and others in the comment section considered Maryland the south. Maybe you’re the odd man out, because it seems like your feeling like a southerner in Maryland is specific to you and very few others.
I live in the Florida Panhandle, and it definitely feels like the South. You should come visit next time you are over here! Prettiest beaches I have ever seen 😍
As an Alabamian we definitely consider the panhandle as the south. Generally anything underneath Orlando as not in the south
@@JB09712 I was working in Pensacola, and I commented to a person that lived there that it didn't feel like Florida at all, and she said it's nicknamed LA; Lower Alabama. I'd thought that fit very well.
Yes. I agree with you, Daz. I live in Ohio but was born and raised in Tennessee. What states I consider Southern is determined more by their culture than by their geographical location. Florida and Texas have a whole different culture than the traditional Southern states, though, I would consider Texas closer to being a Southern state than I would Florida.
I loved when I travel in England and drive to Yorkshire and see the signs on the M1 to “The North”
I’m from Georgia & I never considered the DMV to be the south. I always thought Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, The Carolina’s, Tennessee, Kentucky were the south.
When I lived near West Palm Beach, Florida, people would say "The norther you go, the souther it gets." It's true.
Exceptions are Orlando, Tampa and Tampa south on Gulf coast and Daytona Beach south on East coast is about right for Northern culture all the way down to Key West (Conch Republic).
I agree with Gaynor the Hallmark of the South is the good cooking. I only consider those states to be southern. That map is fairly close to accurate imo.
I live in NE Oklahoma. Former Oklahoma history teacher here, sorry for the long post. We are pretty similar to Texas in that the eastern part of the state tends to be a lot more southern and then as you move to the western half of the state you will get more of a western feel. While some are breaking the category up to mean those states divided by where they fought during the Civil War, Oklahoma is an interesting case. We were Indian Territory at that time. A place set aside for the Native Americans who had been removed from southern states. They would choose to fight on the side of the confederacy, with small factions breaking away to fight for the union. The last confederate general to surrender was Cherokee General Stand Waite from Oklahoma. This is a massive oversimplification of a very complex issue, but it is one of the reasons I would always include Oklahoma as a southern state.
Lived in Tampa from 1984 to 1989. It was quite Northern even back then. Southern accents stood out when you heard them. Outside the city, people were Southern. If you take the major cities south of Jacksonville out, then Florida is Southern. Then again, those major cities account for quite a large percentage of the population today.
I’m a southern belle. I live in South Carolina. Beautiful state with both mountains and beaches. It’s lovely but I wish it was less conservative politically. Most of us consider the south the land below the Mason Dixon line. My mother’s family is 99% British and 1% Cherokee according to her DNA test. I’ve always loved all British things especially humor. 😊
I live at the bottom of New Jersey and we are below the Mason Dixon line. We are south of Baltimore MD and even with Washington DC. Yet we are not thought of as a "southern state"
I'm in Newark (NJ not Delaware) and I was shocked a couple of year's ago someone did article on the southern most tip of Jersey is furthest south as D.C.
Folks here in the US don’t even know most of the time because it has changed dramatically in the past few decades. People from NY, Boston, Philly and DC have flooded coastal southern cities, especially in FL. It’s a fun mix of people but definitely different than what you’d see in Alabama or Mississippi.
Missouri, south of the Missouri River, is very much a southern state. It was the scene of much fierce fighting during the Civil War.
Yea it for sure is, I go off of history to which state I consider part of the south.
I consider Kansas and Oklahoma to be the south too
Kansas fought bitterly over slavery, it was voted in as a free state. Much of the pro-slavery sentiment came from Missouri. @@GreenBeamzzz
i was thinking anything north of i-70 midwest, anything south of i-44 southern, and anything between the two is mixed mainly from cultural point of view.
It's definitely not, but it is confused.
I live in South Central Kentucky and have always considered where I live to be southern with some Appalachian influence. My family has definitely considered themselves to be southern since I was a child. However, the further east you go the more it becomes Appalachian culture, and the further north you go the more northern and midwestern influences you’ll find.
Yes. My grandparents were from Morgan County, which is Appalachian. I lived in Cincinnati for many years, and Covington, Newport and Florence are basically Cinti suburbs.
I live in south central too! Butler county Kentucky, I definitely agree with the Appalachian influences because my grandparents accent sounds Appalachian, (I almost can’t understand them myself) and are southern baptist people, stereotypical southern food and very traditional family values. I honestly love it here in my little small town 😂 bowling green scares me sometimes.
Here in Fla in the seventies a lot of county’s were dry county’s on Sundays. You could not buy beer or alcohol on Sundays.
I'm from the east side of Oklahoma. I think he layed it out pretty well.
And to his point about Texas being more culturally southern on its east side, I've been saying the same about Oklahoma. I'd say ⅓ of it on the east side is more southern geographically, and probably culturally. Further west than that, the hills and woods start to dissipate until everything eventually becomes flat open farmland as far as the eye can see. At that point, particularly ⅓ of the west part of the state, I'd say it's more of the mid-west.
Folks in Western Arkansas have more in common with Oklahoma and Texas than they do to someone in Mississippi. While those in the Arkansas delta are closer to the Deep South. People are complicated.
@@Sprayber Yeah, I think so too. I think part of it in my region, geographically speaking, is because we're in the Ozarks.
I also recall watching a very detailed video about American accents where they kinda explain the migration patterns and reasoning behind the different southern accents for different parts of the southern US.
My Dad was from Sallisaw in Eastern Oklahoma. Mom was from McClain County just south of OKC. Both of their families were culturally Southern. They had drawls (Dad's was thicker than Mom's), Southern Baptist, families were from Mississippi and Alabama before the land rush in Oklahoma. Mom was definitely a Southern cook (thankfully!). But I agree with your assessment of the state. The Eastern third is definitely Southern culturally. So is the southern part from OKC down to Texas. From OKC north its Midwestern. From OKC west is Midwestern. Its such a mix though that there's no hard and fast rules.
I have heard that Oklahoma is the end of the Appalachian Trail. That is true of the culture and geography in Eastern Oklahoma. Even though the central and western part of the state was settled by the land runs, the Appalachian Trail immigrants followed the movements of the Native American Tribes of the Southeastern U.S. as they were forced west. The Trail of Tears has a huge impact in Eastern Oklahoma.
Even though Texas is not deep south it def ticks all the boxes of being a southern state.
East Texas is southern but the rest is a western or southwest state. That’s why cowboy movies were called westerns
born and raised in Texas, everyone ive know for over 60 years ,we have considered ourselves westerners
I always think of Texas as being part of the Southwest along with NM and AZ
Except the western parts which are Southwest for sure.
@@brandonneumann5294 That's not why they are called Westerns......
You know it's not all about, nor were all set in Texas, right?
I grew up and live in Northern Kentucky, right across the Ohio river from Cincinnati, Ohio. I have never considered us to be from the South. However, my sister and brother-in-law who left college and moved to Louisville, Kentucky are definitely considered Southerners! They only live 100 miles South of me and you might think we live in two different states! The speech, food, and pace of life are completely different.
That's funny. Louisville is closer to being like the Cincinnati suburbs than any other part of the state. If you grew up in Bowling Green or Paducah I guarantee you'd think of Louisville as Yankees. The city puts on airs of being southern for the Derby but the rest of the year it's much more Midwestern.
@@bradparnell614 Well my comparison was to the Cincinnati Tri-State area.
I'm from Georgia and I've always thought Kentucky wasn't easily categorized. It seems like it should be southern but has always felt more midwestern to me when I've been there.
I live in Butler county Kentucky, about a 45 min drive from bowling green (close to Tennessee) and it’s very southern here. My grandma and grandpa are southern baptists and their accents are almost like Appalachian accents, some of my own family I can’t understand lol My grandparents see people who live in bowling green and Louisville as city slickers 😂
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I'm from Virginia and I consider myself a southerner but some parts do feel like the north
Kentucky is kind of a little of a mix. We were a microcosm of the Civil War. We were taught in grade school that KY had more volunteers to the south than neighboring Virginia and more draftees to the North than neighboring Ohio. Brother literally fought brother. The state's history is full of songs and stories about this. I think of it as more of a central state. Where I live in Louisville, we are closer to Chicago than Atlanta. We are closer to the Great Lakes than the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, when our Little League team won the World Series it was from the Great Lakes region. One of our local colleges before they moved up to Division I, played basketball in the Great Lakes conference. The northern part of the state has cities that are actually suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio. Louisville has many suburbs that are actually a part of Indiana. We love biscuits and gravy. We're not big on grits. We do say y'all for multiple people but not for just one. We have both ihop and Waffle House so basically we are a blend. If you go down to the Tennessee border you'll be certain we're a southern state but if you go up to the Ohio border we seem like the midwest.
Yes I agree. I’m from western Kentucky, butler/Morgantown area near bowling green. And it’s VERY southern where I live, very religious and deep rooted southern beliefs, we say y’all and have very deep accents but 45 mins down the road, to bowling green, it gets very city and looses all the southern charm of Kentucky. we have always been stuck in the middle of rural and urban.
I'm in East Tennesse. 30 minutes to Virgina, 30 minutes to North Carolina. We are the South. We welcome everyone. Just understand, this is not Big city here. We say Hi, How are you. Excuse me, We open doors and hold doors and when somebody says thank you, we say you're welcome. We have never seen you? We will stand and chat, talk about the weather and when we walk away , we say take care, or you have a good rest of your day. Our mountains were settled by the Irish, Scotch, immigrants. Of course, we had to teach the British, we will only take so much. We may bend, but we don't break.
If you want to move to America, move to the south. Everything you want within an hour or two drive. Beach, yep right there. Mountains, Yep right there. Moderate climate, good, polite people Yep, right there.. Love you all
Yep you pretty much summed it up. In spruce pine nc the mountains there is no question about it. Sounds like your in Newport, or Johnson city.
I grew up in Georgia and live in Alabama now. The South: Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, and the Florida panhandle.
Virginia used to be southern, West Virginia doesn't know what is is, Maryland and Delaware are mid-atlantic states and only southern by some serious outdated historic definitions, Oklahoma is western, and Texas is its own thing entirely.
The only state I have a hard time categorizing is Kentucky, which seems very southern but every time I've been there it doesn't feel like it.
I was born, raised, and still live in Texas. I don’t like it when people lump Texas in with the South. Yes, we are geography in a southern state, but I’ve always called us South Westerners, not the South. I love my state, but I despise our governance. It leaves a lot to be desired.
I use the sweet tea rule. If you can get sweet tea commonly it's south. So half of Kentucky 1/3 Virgina
Technically, Maryland is part of the south, but no one really considers it. Delaware is not. Everything south and west of Alexandria, VA is the south. Florida is southern down to central Florida, and then it becomes latin America. Southern West Virginia is southern, northern part, I'm not so sure. Texas, while it was part of the Confederacy during the Civil War, is more Texas than Southern, lol. It's got its own culture.
A simple answer, though - if you can still order sweet tea at a restaurant besides McDonald's, Popeyes, and maybe a few other places, then yes, you're still in the south 😂.
I’m originally from Maryland and we don’t consider ourselves a southern state at all. For us the south starts at Virginia. That comes from most of us having family that’s from the South and you’d go to “the country (South)” in the summer to see family. We are definitely more culturally north/mid-Atlantic, but food culture is more South.
The Mason-Dixon line is the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland so by that definition, it's "south". Also, there was great concern during the Civil War that the state would secede leaving Washington marooned in the Confederacy. Lincoln stationed troops in Baltimore to prevent it. Finally, the agricultural economy of southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore is very similar to that of the upper south, and Baltimore in the late 20th century definitely had a southern feel (I don't know about now). I grew up in Montgomery County and went to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore by the way.
Maryland fought in the civil war against the federal government, on the side of the Confederates/the South.
@@BTinSFI grew up in Baltimore, near Good Samaritan hospital. My paternal family all migrated to Baltimore, the North for them, from North Carolina in the 50’s. We’d go “south” to North Carolina for family reunions every summer. My maternal family came to the city from the Eastern Shore in the 30’s/40’s. Almost every black person like me I knew growing up had grandparents and other family down in the country, mostly North Carolina, and their family had migrated North to Baltimore in the 40’s and 50’s too. So for us, we never considered that we were a Southern state, except for the Mason-Dixon Line.
@@annfrost3323I know what Maryland was. I mean Harriet Tubman is from Maryland, , escaped to the North from there and began the Underground Railroad there. I’m just saying what it felt like growing up there and even now; if you asked Americans to name Southern states, Maryland wouldn’t be on anyone’s list.
@@annfrost3323Yea that makes Maryland the south for sure but most people wouldn’t consider it the south even though it is. I still don’t think Maryland is the south though.
Drinking laws: very complex and mostly a state and local domain.
Fun fact: the Tennessee county that produces JD is dry.
Im a Floridian and most definitely a Southerner, through and through.
I'm a Floridian and I consider the state well South Florida more like a Caribbean vibe not southern
@@noelramirez1551true, South Florida is more Caribbean vibes. Born in Central Florida, very Southerner atmosphere here.
Both should be incredibly embarrassing.
@@DustinHawke what should be embarrassing? Your willful ignorance or just your sheer stupidity.
The majority of the population of Florida is made up of northerners currently, like myself. I'm very proud of my carpet bagger status.
these are considered the Mid-Atlantic staes, another way to look at the region The Middle Atlantic region is an area in the northeastern United States. It includes the states of Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania and the District of Columbia. The Middle Atlantic is part of the Northeast, a larger region that also includes New England
Actually Which colonies had the highest population of slaves?
In fact, throughout the colonial period, Virginia had the largest slave population, followed by Maryland and At one point, the majority of South Carolina's population consisted mostly of African slaves, with the highest concentrations in the plantation areas of the Lowcountry. By the 1860 census, the population was 703,620, with roughly 57% or 402,000 classified as slaves.@remington5978 Though Maryland was a a slave state, many of the Africans were given their freedom, {manumission} because this was less costly, and they were afraid many of their slaves would be kidnapped by southern slave owners seeking escaped slaves. Why, Because they needed the labor because the land was not vialbe to the same crops grown in the south.Second, the Quakers were settling in Maryland because to be a Quaker in Virginia was dangerous. lord Baltimore allowed the Quackers to settle in Maryland. in the early 1930's Many of the Africans Americans began buying land in. Free Blacks in Hartford, Somerset and Talbot counties, Maryland by Mary K. Meyer. Many of my ancestors are listed in this book.
I’m a Kentuckian and we are definitely in the south! Louisville thinks they aren’t and that’s fine with the rest of us in the state lol.🙄😂
I'm not a southerner myself, but an American, and I wanted to thank you guys for your genuine and nuanced takes on what you've experienced when visiting, or what you've read about the various quirks that exist here in the States. I appreciate the genuine and fair takes you guys consistently have, which reminds me that the loud obnoxious voices that stereotype or simply slander a country or entire culture based on easily debunked myths or overblown differences. I'm from CA and lived for a while in Indiana and went to college there, and I have family and friends all across the nation and It's genuinely refreshing to my psyche that I shouldn't lump say all Brits or Europeans together as being obnoxious and disrespectful. I have family in the UK and whenever I've visited Europe I've always made sure to really take in the nuances of what life is like in those countries/regions and respect them as they are more or less the same as any other group of peoples simply trying to live their lives how they see fit, and sometimes things don't go as planned and sometimes they are blessed with qualities other counties/regions are envious of.
I remember when visiting my great aunt (and some close family friends we know through her) in Manchester whenever my Mother and I got asked what we were doing in Manchester (as I'm sure my accent is hardly Mancunian lol) and when we would smile and say oh were visiting on 'holiday' and we're from California, the overwhelming majority of the responses were genuine confusion like "Why would you take the time to visit here" or just genuine confusion as to why we would bother visiting the UK outside of the classic tourist hub of London like we were somehow lost Americans haha.
I'm sure you guys must have similar stories when you visited rural American states like Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky, where I'm sure you got plenty of puzzled people wondering why you'd visit so far off of the classic tourist traps most flock to. I hope it gives them some sense that they're hometown or state may not be perfect, but is interesting and culturally fascinating to those who have never been.
The West Coast and Midwestern parts of me naturally tend to have a knee-jerk negative connotation with the American South as all of the baggage between the Civil War revisionism or political mudslinging. But I don't hold individuals down there as culprits worthy of ire as usually the craziest/most outrageous figures are simply just the loudest, while the vast majority of people across the world are 95% of the time friendly and kind people and don't really care that you maybe from a different culture.
I visited Svalbard, Norway in 2016 and visited the Russian(Soviet era) enclave mining town/ghost town/attempted tourist attraction and had many pleasant and some very friendly and playful joke rivalry spats about our favorite NBA teams.
Sorry this turned into a rant, but I just wanted to really emphasize how much good you guys do for American's view of in your case Brits viewing America. One of respectful and an inquisitive additive that really helps Americans who haven't been fortunate enough to afford going outside of North America a much more respectful view of non-Americans as sometimes social media pushes the controversial and obnoxious cultural warriors that feel the need to put down other cultures as inherently backwards, which unfortunately has turned off many Americans from wanting to travel to places in Western Europe due to the fear that they'll be ridiculed and not welcomed simply because of the fact that they came from the States. So I hope you guys didn't see much of the converse happening when you visited the states :\
Cheers :)
The Confederate South is different from Southern states.
Not if you're black
Not really.
@@thesuncollective1475yea it’s very different now even if you are black.
'Southern' is a state of mind!😁
I live in the PNW and hearing some coworkers argue about if their former state was "in the south" or not was mind numbing. It's like a badge of honor they wear the rest of the country mocks.
I lived in southern Maryland for four years in the late 80's. I would classify it as the South. Anything from Washington D.C.. and north/west, I would not.
My dad, a southern man from Missouri and raised on a farm with no electricity and my mom, a yankee from Indiana and raised in the city with everything available at the time, have been married for 67 years now. My dad, a true Republican and my mom, a true Democrat! I’m the youngest of 4 and we moved from Missouri to Arkansas when I was 3 so I’m southern and proud of it but boy, I can definitely tell the difference in the way my parents think, believe, etc!! Lol! I guess opposites do attract! 😂
There's south and then there's the deep south
Tallahassee, Florida is no less the South than Thomasville, Georgia or Dothan Alabama.
Agreed. Lower Alabama.
I live in west central Fla. true. The northern part of Fla is the south down to the central Fla. the further south you go from the central part of the state the further north you go.
Texas was very south at the time of the war. A slave/cotton state. After reconstruction the cattle and oil industries became big, it began to market itself as the west.
I have been to the Florida Panhandle several times and it definitely feels like the South. When I went to Miami, it did not feel like the South. Actually the Panhandle is sometimes referred to as LA or Lower Alabama and at one point the area wanted to leave Florida and become part of Alabama.
I think people assume all of Florida is like South Florida. You can travel from Slidell, LA to Biloxi, MS to Mobile, AL to Pensacola, Florida (4 states) in very little time. You can have multiple cultures within a state. Most people in Biloxi have more in common with Slidell and New Orleans than they do with Jackson or Tupelo because it’s much further away.
I'm not confused about it. The South (Dixie) is everything south of the Mason-Dixon line and East of the Mississippi River, with the exception of Florida. It used to be a part of New York, but it broke off and floated down. (That's a joke)😂
Not sure about others, but I had such a tough time hearing both you and the video to which you're reacting. I'm watching a string of videos, and it's just this one that seems quiet, even with my volume turned up. If it's just me, then it's just me. Profound, I know.
@Daz, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Carolinas - these are "Deep South" states, but Texas and Florida are certainly "southern" states, not only geographically but more so culturally, and we're in a period now where that southern identity seems to be reinforcing itself more and more, especially in Florida. Moreover, the panhandle of Florida and all inland places of the state have always been deeply southern. Only the coastal area in the far south of the state, around Miami around to Tampa, at times back in the 80-90's felt sort of "northern". Kentucky and Tennessee not "the South" ? 😲
Finally someone with common sense! Florida and Texas aren't the south to some people because they're the biggest and able to have its own identity. When you think of Texas and Florida... you think of Texas and Florida. When you think of the deep south states like La, Mississippi, Bama, etc you see them all as one just bc they're all very much the same. No disrespect but compared to other states that's why they're all the "deep south." Not to mention Texas and Florida is like 25 percent of America lmfao.
Tennessee and Kentucky are definitely the south, especially when you look at the history of the states and culture and even the accents that shouldn’t even be a question tbh.
@@tyreek.6815I wouldn't say Texas and Florida have an identity. Its nothing unique cultural wise besides Lot if Spanish speaking citizens. Texas have a slogan and Florida is know for their crazy people. That is literally the only difference...
When speaking of Central FL please omit Orlando as southern.
East Texas has more in common with the South, West Texas is more Western/Cowboy
People from the coasts migrate South because it's cheap, occasionally there are political motivations. As for the recent influx of Mexicans in Texas and California, just a couple few generations ago, that was Mexico.
I keep hearing people FROM the south saying these things, like "oOoOoOoOo people are running from Cali and NYC and moving to Texas and Florida because it's sooooooo much better", but I haven't actually seen it. Like....at all. Because anyone with any real intelligence and also doesn't take what Joe Rogan and others like him seriously, know for a fact that Texas and Florida are objectively not better and it's just politicians coping hard.
Tennessee is as south as it gets… Florida is definitely the south also
13:20 as a northerner (nys), how much wider the roads and landscape seem to be is what always stands out most to me. Ive never seen such wide open spaces til I came to the south for university, I think what I’m used to infrastructure wise may be more condensed like the UK..
Yeah you guys mentioned it about your drive! It’s so interesting to see the shift
Wow..... Daz is 100% correct. The mason dixon line does run right through Maryland and southern Delaware. In fact it splits a town called Delmar in two. Delmar Maryland and Delmar Delaware. Pretty impressive a guy from England knows American geography so well. 👍
What?? The Mason-Dixon line does Not run through Maryland--it is the northern border of Maryland. Nor does it run through Delaware--it forms the DE-MD border.
I would not include Maryland, Delaware and DC in the South, they are culturally part of the Northeast. The rest is the South, however, I would clarify some things. The Appalachian/Ozark South of hill folk would include: West Virginia, the far southwest of Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, the Huntsville area of Alabama, and western North Carolina. The "New South" would include: most of Virginia, most of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida from Jacksonville, down thru Orlando and into central Florida. These are the areas where people are really moving and tourism, high tech and cities are flourishing. Southern Florida is culturally closer to the Caribbean, intermixed with retirees from the Northeast/Great Lakes region of the Midwest. Most of Alabama, the panhandle of Florida, all of Mississippi, and northern Louisiana are really old school Deep South. Southern Louisiana is Cajun French (New Orleans area). Oklahoma is definitely culturally Southern, but has overlap with the Plains region of the Midwest. Texas also has overlap with Southern culture and the Hispanic culture of the Southwest (Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Las Vegas area of Nevada, and southern California).
Congratulations, Dax. You pass the "what is Southern state" by us real Southerners. 😜
A good litmus test is go into a non-chain locally owned restaurant and order a sweet tea. What they bring you should tell you where you are. 😂😂
South Florida is northern and North Florida is Sourhern.
Interesting topic! I find he has a very balanced view! Which is refreshing! I live in North Florida Gainesville to be exact! But my home is West Virginia! PS, I definitely consider Florida to be Southern, you can debate, make things interesting, but I do find that Floridians have Southern values. You have people that have immigrated from the from the north! They may not! Have Southern values!
I am from northern Alabama and my mother's side is from Roan Mountain Tennessee up in the Great Smoky Mountains we consider the middle of Florida up as southern states with Southern Pride❤
It’s very similar to how the lines between “The South” “The Midlands” and “The North” are poorly defined in Britain… But when you’re in these areas, you know it
Never had a argument about this ever.😁
Yes, the states you have in red are southern. There is a little more to it. The Mason Dixon Line goes through the narrow Maryland Panhandle over West Virginia and the lower third of Ohio, just about 40 miles below Columbus. Now follow that latitude line through Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois and Missouri. People who live below that line, for the most part, were and are, to some degree, southern sympathizers. Many of them have southern accents. The MAJORITY of them, in 1860, were anti-Lincoln. So officially you are correct about those red states, but what I have written above is just some interesting additional information.
Southwestern Ohio considers themselves the North, but there are many born in Kentucky, WV, and Tennessee who moved to this part of Ohio for work in factories. There is a heavy Appalachian influence here.
I was born and raised in the southern part of Virginia. Virginia is the cut off point for the South. The northern part of Virginia is the gateway to the Mid-Atlantic while the southern (geographically) part of the state is the gateway to the South.
As someone from Kentucky most of us Kentuckians consider ourselves southern. Lots of sweet tea, people saying y'all, rebel flags and so on. I know KY didn't secede during the Civil War, we were a border state (a slave state that remained in the Union), but there was a large minority that wanted to secede. In the county seat of the county where I grew up there were two hotels during the Civil War on opposite sides of the street from one another. At one of the hotels, you could get news from the Union army and sign up to join the Union army on the other side of the street you could get news from the Confederate army and sign up to join the Confederate army. Supposedly there were also some fistfights in the street. The only ones who wouldn't consider themselves southern in KY are a few people in Louisville and the area known as northern Kentucky which is right across the river from Cincinnati. Like he said about politics it is nuanced. Some in West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware consider themselves southern and some parts of Missouri consider themselves to be southern. I know people in southern Illinois and southern Indiana who try and claim they are southern, but there is a distinct difference when you cross the Ohio river. Good video as always!
I once dated a girl whose father was a New York Jew and whose mother was a Puerto Rican . When she told me she considered herself a Southerner because she was born in Miami I said " OH HELL NO "
I’d go Maryland. Maryland, Delaware, or DC. Or north east Virginia. It is prohibitively expensive.
this was a hard one, first, the volume was so low i had to rise the volume way up, but when the commercial came on, i nearly lost my hearing. can office bloke please adjust the volume of your channel? North Carolina is 100 percent southern in culture and its geo locale.
In the valley 5 minutes away from Mexico we had Jim Crow laws and the funny part was or is that 99% were Hispanic!
Someone that says "south" but with an f at the end is 100% soufern
There’s the geographic South, the cultural South, the political South, and the historical South.
There are many areas which are not geographically in the South but where the people are pretty Southern in lifestyle and attitude .This is true of southern Indiana, downstate Illinois,southern Missouri , Kansas ,and southern Ohio,and most of the West except the Pacific coast states are more Southern than Northern in character. The Mason-Dixon line is the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania . It is named for the two surveyors who laid it out .It became sort of the unofficial border between North and South during the Civil War .
I’m from Louisiana. Unanimously the south! 😀🍻🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The issue with deciding who is Southern or not is that you cannot really use state borders. While there isn't one Southern accent, it is recognizable as Southern when you hear it, so I use the accent as my guideline. Going around the edges, the South includes Texas, half of Oklahoma, the lower half of Missouri, the very southernmost parts of Illinois and Ohio, West Virginia and all but the part of Virginia that is close to Washington DC. Florida is Southern from Orlando up, but below that it is northern or Latin American. Texans may claim they are different from the rest of the South, but that is true for every state, so I roll my eyes and say, "Y'all are as much a part of the South as the rest of us".
Mississippi and Alabama, along with some other states we call the deep south. I grew up in the south. I like the North better. 🙂
Im from the South:
South Carolina i mean....
Next time visit Charleston, Myrtle Beach & Biltmore House in North Carolina. Asheville is nice, too in NC.
I definitely would subtract Maryland and Delaware right off the bat.
Also out: the northernmost quarter of Virginia and the southernmost 3/4 of Florida.
I'm on the fence about Oklahoma.
I think many would consider Washington DC, Maryland, Delaware, and the DC suburbs in Virginia, amid Atlantic instead of Southern.
I was born and raised in Georgia and my family is from Alabama. I currently live in Northwest Arkansas and trust me when I say, I no longer live in the South. The Mississippi delta region however on the Arkansas side is definitely the South but the difference between Northwest Arkansas and Southeast Arkansas is massive. Oklahoma is Oklahoma and Texas is Texas- a true Southerner claims neither.
I live in North Central Arkansas. 30 miles east is the flatlands of the Delta and a lot different from where I live. Arkansas really is split into 4 areas. The Northwest is akin to Oklahoma, the North Central is more like Missouri, the Delta is more like Mississippi and the South is not quite Louisiana but close.
Arkansas is more complicated than it's people know.
@@Sprayber absolutely! Great explanation.
So weird growing up in the Los Angeles area as a White guy. I didn't realize it until now, but I tend to judge "The South" based on accents of the people living there. It really reveals things about myself because I was also a linguistics major, getting my BA in Spanish. I consider Texas part of the South, but don't consider Florida part of the South. I guess for this same reason. I'd never thought about it before. Great video!
The true “Deep South” is usually Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina (some people don’t consider Louisiana but some do) then you have the states that are mostly southern but have a little culture variety like Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia and Florida. Then lastly you have the states that have some southern parts and culture but don’t consider themselves southern like Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Maryland and West Virginia
Gotta turn the volume up.
A complicated, troubled woman and no doubt one of the most beautiful. I absolutely adore her. I’m old enough to have been alive during her time and remember her well.
Maryland, West Virginia, and Delaware are tricky. They were below the Mason-Dixon Line, but they weren't a part of the Confederacy.
Additionally, West Virginia wasn't established until 1863. It was a part of Virginia under the Confederacy, but after it split it joined the Union.
The Florida panhandle is the South but Southern Florida is not. Texas is it's own thing and Arkansas and Oklahoma are less Southern than you may think. Arkansas in particular is split.
Most of Arkansas is southern culturally, same can be said for Oklahoma, especially SE Oklahoma..
Most people I have met from Oklahoma sound like Southerners but I haven’t spent much time there. I just drive through.
I’d understand if people didn’t include Oklahoma in the South. It’s a weird on the fence state. The top half isn’t very southern but the bottom half is.
Mason-Dixon Line is named after the 2 surveyors that set the boundary between Pennsylvania and Maryland. West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War. They weren’t really southern and plantation owners; they are mountaineers.
I didn't really like Florida. My favourite place was Rochester NY Canandaigua.
I really dislike New York, florida is OK. I am disappointed in Georgia. I have relatives in Texas.
Georgia is a part of the south. There are several different cultures in the south. There is Cajun, then the Delta from Louisiana up through Tennessee and Arkansas, there are Mountain folk in VA, TN, NC, SC, GA and even Arkansas. Then you have Farming throughout all of the south. So the blending of these cultures, the languages (dialects) the humid heat( don’t forget that) the food, definitely the food. That’s what the south is about. We ain’t in a hurry, we are still friendly, even though everyone seems to be moving down here. Oh we can still plant, catch or hunt down our food if we so choose. We grew up with guns so I guess that would be another cultural thing. My kids, now adults grew up with guns, so yeah that’s still a thing. So much defines this area, I hope it never looses itself and becomes too busy to help people.
I'd say south Louisiana isn't really like the rest of the south, especially New Orleans. The accent is very different too. Like it's more of a laid back New York accent.
There are multiple accents in South Louisiana but I think people from around Houma don’t sound like New Orleans people. And NOLA varies too but sometimes I can tell what ward someone is likely from. Some people sound similar to New Yorkers. IMO they tend to be West Bank. Some sound Caribbean and have a distinct way of pronouncing words like baby, water, oil, and such. I had a friend from NOLA who for years I assumed was Haitian until I heard a bunch of people who sounded like her. The Cajuns of South Louisiana I typically can’t understand unless they code switch. Not for sure it’s even English otherwise. The movie Water Boy was an exaggeration with some truth. 😂
@anndeecosita3586 Yeah, the accents within the state vary quite a bit. I live in Hammond, and it's a mix. Probably has to do with the university bringing in outsiders and people from New Orleans moving here to get away from the city. It's what my parents did. My mom was from Uptown NOLA and my dad from the River Rd. area and later Kenner.
You'll hear people with NOLA accents, Cajun accents, different southern drawls, and people like me who have more of a non-regional accent.
Whomever fought for the Confederates in the civil war. Duh. (Cali chick here)
We’re not confused on which States are Southern!
From my perspective the south starts with Virginia to Northern Florida, and west to Texas, strictly speaking the running joke is a long time ago Florida broke off of New Jersey and floated down and attached itself to Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.
OH heck nah, don't mention FL being a part of NJ. Not a joke, A NIGHTMARE! NOOOOO.
@@lilyz2156 you have snowbirds from New Jersey coming to Florida, like Jersey shore Florida edition.
We have enough, now Spring breakers are here! Yesterday, there was a large group surrounding two boxing with gloves and everything on the beach? Different when I was a spring breaker with MTV filming 🤣🤣. Good ole days of my spring breaks!@@terrycarter1137
In my mind I consider Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia as the Deep South. If you’re talking just south in general it would include Tennessee, the Carolinas, Virginia, Arkansas and Kentucky.
My friend and I were talking about how the northern parts of MS, and AL and in certain parts of Louisiana feel more traditionally southern than the Southern parts of those states. The culture is different. The coast is more tourism driven, seafood, shipbuilding economy driven and north more agricultural. The Gulf Coast has a lot of French heritage because it was part of Colonial Louisiana. Mobile was the first capital. On the coast they eat more like Creole cooking like po boys, gumbo, crawfish and the like. Also Mardi Gras season is a very big deal on the coast but not as much in northern parts of the states. Schools let out for Fat Tuesday. A lot of people I know belong to krewes. A lot more Catholics too in the southern area than in the northern parts. I have some friends from the coast who attended Ole Miss and were called Coast trash. I can usually tell by accent if someone is from North or South Alabama.
@@anndeecosita3586 I’m not saying I’m right. I’m just saying as someone who has not traveled the South much, it’s just my perception
Born and raised in Central Florida, Brevard/Space Coast… and I don’t consider Florida the South except the panhandle.
The Mason Dixon Line is NOT the Missouri Compromise Line of 1820. Granted, if the Mason Dixon Line was extended to the State of Missouri, it would be somewhere in northern MO between Kansas City and St Joseph. The Missouri Compromise Line in geographical terms was 36/30..(the southern boundry of the new State of Missouri) ..the latitude line separating Virginia from North Carolina and Kentucky from Tennessee. North of that line, in all future western expansion of the U.S., slavery would be illegal, except in Missouri. I'm a Missourian,and it only takes a glance at the map to understand why MO didn't secede along with the rebel states. If we had been disloyal to the Union, we would have been surrounded on three sides by 'enemy' territory.
He was correct, the Mason Dixon line starts in Maryland.
A lot of the area was bought from Spain or France and there were already slaves. Native Americans kept slaves. Everybody kept slaves.
Southern fox is the best food
I'm a Southerner, and Daz is spot on. And even states like Louisiana can vary. Northern Louisiana is definitely culturally Southern... however, south Louisiana is completely different. The more rural areas in south Louisiana are heavily Cajun, which is unique, and New Orleans has it's own thing going on. Both the Cajun areas and New Orleans are unmistakably Southern, but it's a whole different thing than Georgia or Alabama. By the way... Georgia is as culturally Southern as it gets.
Exactly. A lot of states have noticeable cultural differences within them. You can drive from Slidell LA through MS, through AL and into FL in probably like two hours but it would take you three hours to get from Biloxi or Mobile to the state capitals of Jackson or Montgomery. The Gulf coastal areas of these states have a very different culture. Also being in Pensacola or Tallahassee doesn’t feel that different from Mobile to me. Pensacola meanwhile feels a world away from Miami.
*Most Southern to Least Southern:*
1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. Georgia
4. Tennessee
5. Alabama
6. South Carolina
7. North Carolina
8. Virginia
9. Kentucky
10. Arkansas
11. Texas
12. Florida
13. Oklahoma
14. West Virginia
15. Maryland
16. Delaware
Souther people are not confused about who is Southern or know. We know and would like to keep it that way
I think there’s confusion of “south” and “Deep South.” For Deep South its Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the panhandle of Florida. The rest of the south is debatable. Some others claim to be in and others out. I’ve been in the deep south all my life and I love it. Born and raised in Alabama, lived in Louisiana, now live in Atlanta
The north part of Florida is the south