Two month update: I have two long haired dachshunds (big game tracking and small game hunting), I never used an ecollar. They did everything I wanted them to do from a working standpoint and house manners were decent. However, there were several circumstances in which they could not be trusted at all and that made life difficult. After 4 years, my wife did not enjoy having them at all and they had to be kenneled a lot. This concept of “gas pedal not brakes” intrigued me. I listened to everything of Justin’s I could find. Only two months later (multiple training sessions daily), life has totally changed. Even the behaviors that were reliable they now do with great enthusiasm and “snappiness” and I’m confident now in circumstances that sent my dogs out of control. This episode actually changed our lives. Thank you all!
This is absolute GOLD. I am 2/3 of the way through but this is such a fantastic podcast discussion- Justin has such a way with words to explain very complex things in such simplified terms that anyone can understand. The way he CONSISTENTLY takes the dogs perspective into account & how to leverage that-the birch oil is SO COOL. What a cheat! Can't believe this is free 😂 Thank you guys for an amazing and valuable podcast ❤
My dog LOSES his mind when he sees the e-collar come out. It's like his birthday, Christmas and the 4th of July all wrapped together. It is his absolute favorite thing in the world.
Interesting conversation. Pushing a dog with the collar on low level is something I rarely do except during the force fetch stage. I have used the collar for lack of effort which is more of a pushing into the behavior but is something I have for the most part avoided. I am curious at what point (if ever) you stop pushing with the collar? I am wondering about the aversive fallout of this system I suppose. I have multiple field trial dogs (Spaniels) so leaning on the collar going forward is not an option. My dogs always wear the collar when training but for my finished dogs I may hit the button once every 3 or 4 months or more.
Thanks for watching! The ecollar is simply another tool the same as any other training item such as leash or whichever type of training collar system you may choose (prong, slip, pinch, etc). The same way we end up in the field without dependent on those tools is the same for the Ecollar. You aren’t “driving” the dog every rep for the rest of life. You’re training until you get the behavior to the appropriate/desired level then it’s up to you as a trainer to maintain the standard. For the concern of it possibly becoming aversive Im personally not concerned at all. Again, it’s a tool. If there’s aversive fallout then I didn’t use the tool correctly. The timing, consistency, and education is the most important part. Specifically the activation vs aversive level stimulation we briefly discussed in the video. Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for watching!
The ecollar is the same as any other training tool. For the same reason we end up in the field without a lead, check chords, prong collar, or pinch collar every time for the rest of the dogs life is the same reason why the performance of the behavior isn’t entirely dependent on the Ecollar. It’s how you train with the tool that determines the overall effectiveness of the training approach.
Two month update: I have two long haired dachshunds (big game tracking and small game hunting), I never used an ecollar. They did everything I wanted them to do from a working standpoint and house manners were decent. However, there were several circumstances in which they could not be trusted at all and that made life difficult. After 4 years, my wife did not enjoy having them at all and they had to be kenneled a lot. This concept of “gas pedal not brakes” intrigued me. I listened to everything of Justin’s I could find. Only two months later (multiple training sessions daily), life has totally changed. Even the behaviors that were reliable they now do with great enthusiasm and “snappiness” and I’m confident now in circumstances that sent my dogs out of control.
This episode actually changed our lives. Thank you all!
That’s awesome! Happy to hear the episode helped you out so much. That type of feedback is what makes it worth doing the show.
This is absolute GOLD. I am 2/3 of the way through but this is such a fantastic podcast discussion- Justin has such a way with words to explain very complex things in such simplified terms that anyone can understand. The way he CONSISTENTLY takes the dogs perspective into account & how to leverage that-the birch oil is SO COOL. What a cheat! Can't believe this is free 😂
Thank you guys for an amazing and valuable podcast ❤
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
My dog LOSES his mind when he sees the e-collar come out. It's like his birthday, Christmas and the 4th of July all wrapped together. It is his absolute favorite thing in the world.
Ours also!
He knows it's time to go to work, and that's his favorite thing in life. 🎉❤ MaliniosLife
Right? For such an evil tool these dogs sure do come to love them when used appropriately.
I found out about Justin about 6 months ago. I’m a huge fan!! Anything Justin I’m watching haha
Have you seen him on Garrett's Wings (American Standard K9) podcast?! Also incredible!
This is gold brother, thank you.
Thanks gentlemen
The legend 💪
Top notch information right here!
Interesting conversation. Pushing a dog with the collar on low level is something I rarely do except during the force fetch stage. I have used the collar for lack of effort which is more of a pushing into the behavior but is something I have for the most part avoided. I am curious at what point (if ever) you stop pushing with the collar? I am wondering about the aversive fallout of this system I suppose. I have multiple field trial dogs (Spaniels) so leaning on the collar going forward is not an option. My dogs always wear the collar when training but for my finished dogs I may hit the button once every 3 or 4 months or more.
Thanks for watching! The ecollar is simply another tool the same as any other training item such as leash or whichever type of training collar system you may choose (prong, slip, pinch, etc). The same way we end up in the field without dependent on those tools is the same for the Ecollar. You aren’t “driving” the dog every rep for the rest of life. You’re training until you get the behavior to the appropriate/desired level then it’s up to you as a trainer to maintain the standard.
For the concern of it possibly becoming aversive Im personally not concerned at all. Again, it’s a tool. If there’s aversive fallout then I didn’t use the tool correctly. The timing, consistency, and education is the most important part. Specifically the activation vs aversive level stimulation we briefly discussed in the video.
Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the podcast. Just wondering what happens when the e-collar fails? Will the dog still listen?
If it has been trained correctly, yes. But that's a big if.
The ecollar is the same as any other training tool. For the same reason we end up in the field without a lead, check chords, prong collar, or pinch collar every time for the rest of the dogs life is the same reason why the performance of the behavior isn’t entirely dependent on the Ecollar. It’s how you train with the tool that determines the overall effectiveness of the training approach.
Does anybody remember the full name of the Paul guy that they mentioned?
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