Hi all, I see that there are some concerns about the review being done with the keyboard in its condition, which are valid. For that, I recommend taking my typing experience sections with a grain of salt. I will revisit Buckling Springs if I come across a bolt modded one, but I don't expect my high-level opinions of the switch to change much. Thanks for watching, and read through some of the other comments for more context on this
Finally a reviewer with guts to give honest evaluation about the model M instead of hailing it as the second coming of Jesus that humanity somehow collectively looked over.
Eh, vintage is as vintage does. Every rose has it's thorns, all that. These boards at this age tend to have issues. if you acquire one, you will most likely be facing these. It is only fair to call them out. When JYMV reviews contemporary offerings, he does not mod them; why make bolt-modding an M a requirement for a review? If you want a perfect board you'l need to go for NOS or a Unicomp. I think this review is fantastic and I also appreciate that JYMV has the guts to be honest about his feelings about the feel and especially the loudness of this keyboard.
I can say from owning both an original IBM model M from 1993 and a Unicomp ultraclassic that there is a HUGE difference in tactility between my old IBM without boltmod and the Unicomp board. Both are bucklings sping, with the unicomp board only being a different case and with the addition of windows keys. I would recommend you to screw-mod your ssk for huuuuge gains in tactility and crispiness. When the barrel plate and backplate are properly held by the plastic rivets or boltmodded, the tactility is close to that of the Kailh Box Jades. Great job on the video btw!
Unusual perspective, but I can see where you're coming from. I used to think IBMs were too loud, but now that I've been using clicky mechanical boards for a while, they don't seem that bad, and unlike many modern switches, are not finicky. I've read of ways to suppress the ping, but haven't tried it.
That backplate is horribly damaged, practically half the keys have already lost contact. Don't expect that keyboard to work much longer, and that may explain the inconsistencies you've found. Maybe it's not the most tactile switch you'll find out there, but you forgot to mention two remarkable features: The (satifying) click happens always right at the same time as registration, and maybe this is more subjective, at least I do not get the cramps if I have to write for long periods of time. I've been using mine for some time and it's the most confortable keyboard for typing long texts (like this, for example). About noise, if you don't like it it's a total no-go of course (no surprises there), but it is another deeply subjetive matter (bolt modding softens the noise a lot, you should try it). Also, I do not agree with your opinion of "It's not linear, then it's 'less mechanic'". That kind of "truth" depends on your typing style and preferences (as you can see mine are completely different). Nice video anyway, good work as usual. :)
It's my number 1 dream board I am trying to find it in warehouse different each if them and trying to find a perfect one with a low price Ebay exponsive
IBM = Indestructable Badass Motherfuckers. Had to say it because the model M basically set the foundation for modern mechanical keyboards, specifically the layout. I have a taste for all linear, tactile and clicky switches but for the clicky variants, buckling springs are on the top in terms of key feel and sound. I tried these at meetups and to me they only lose to Alps. Furthermore, the build quality of the model M is something that you cannot find on modern keyboards unless you spend a few hundred bucks on high-end custom boards. It's kinda sad that you don't have a taste for clicky switches. I bet that if you did you would love this board.
Speaker is used for the UNIX RS/6000 version. The way it tests for the keyboard presence is testing the 50ohm impedence from the speaker. To a PC, it's irrelevant. Some early RS/6000's wouldn't IPL unless they had a speaker keyboard.
If u want a modern vintage look keyboard do consider TVs gold , it was a clone of the IBM model m keyboard in the 80s and still uses the same chassis, now . U can check out there is an LTT video on it , however fun fact , if u can get a white keyboard, from before 2004 , the key caps will be pbt , and not abs the black has always been made from abs , however for some reason the white model is made from pbt
Nice review. Also I finally found someone who find a resembelence in key feel between membrane bs to Kailh box white, I thought I'm the only one who think so :P Speaking of which what is your opinion on capacitive bs compare to membrane ones? For me capacitive ones are miles ahead of their membrane successors in key feel and sound IMO, still I'm pretty interested on your thought on them if you ever tried them before.
I have not yet tried capacitive bs yet, and I think it might be a while before I do. I want to get a Kishsaver on the off chance that I actually like it and want to keep it
Cherry MX switches for me is a weird one I tried it on some store where they have test keys it felt super smooth or too smooth to be exact I got used to rubber domes and thise rubber domes are hard this keyboard is a okay for me waiting to find the correct one
I know where you're coming from. People often complain about 'ping' on some boards, but no one seems to talk about the horrific dry 'sproinggg' of Model-M's. You can get used to it and I still like the board (I have a bolt-modded 139131) but don't believe all the hype all the time...
JYMV it's hyped for it's smoothness and cushioned bottoming out, people see that is a good thing. Do you see it differently as in they are mushy? What do you think separates your opinion about topre than the rest of the community, and why you think zealios is infinitely better
@@jordanlimantara1814 I wouldn't say Topre's bottom out is mushy, but I definitely don't like the cushion. This is consistent with my opinion of any silent switches. The other thing to consider is that in the age of thin chicklet and butterfly switches, a lot of people have not used regular full-travel rubber dome boards for a while. I got to try a Microsoft NaturalErgonomic at work side-by-side with Topre, and while more refined, it's not better enough to be worth the 10x price hike. This is why I maintain the price point is a hidden hype generator for Topre. I don't think they'd be as popular if they were cheaper
JYMV expensive boards share similarity with vintage boards in that they both are hard to obtain, my rf variable just arrived, and I must say that it is quite something, it is snappy which is mostly what I need to get used to, but for once I get to try stabilized key that doesn't rattle like hell and which is a great improvement.
I messed that build up with some truly horrendous springs so that will be on hold until I can get it rebuilt. I'm pretty sure the next video will be the M60-A
Well I can tell you that your keyboard needs a serious screw mod. That is the reason your keys feel different and respond differently. Once that is done, you will notice a serious difference in feel. I can tell you it does make a difference. Find out more. Once you know, you know. snowdog993.imgur.com/
This is wrong on so many levels, "membrane" is not the opposite of "mechanical" and the latter particularly is an extremely ambiguous and ultimately meaningless term, generally used to refer to anything that isn't a rubber dome over membrane keyboard. The Model M uses a membrane, yes, but also has discrete switches which use coil springs for actuation and return force instead of a rubber dome, doesn't need to be bottomed out to actuate, in every important way it's more similar to a "traditional" mechanical switch like Cherry MX than other membrane keyboards such as the crappy rubber dome keyboards that come free with Dell office PCs.
this board is also horribly mamed and cannot provide a consistant review. many sellers collect, refurbish, clean, and re-bolt the board. it's ma much smoother experience when it's functional
Hi all, I see that there are some concerns about the review being done with the keyboard in its condition, which are valid.
For that, I recommend taking my typing experience sections with a grain of salt. I will revisit Buckling Springs if I come across a bolt modded one, but I don't expect my high-level opinions of the switch to change much.
Thanks for watching, and read through some of the other comments for more context on this
Finally a reviewer with guts to give honest evaluation about the model M instead of hailing it as the second coming of Jesus that humanity somehow collectively looked over.
But considering that his plate is effectively broken, it's not a proper evaluation. It would be like reviewing a car with its suspension removed.
@@_fatalruin Exactly.
Eh, vintage is as vintage does. Every rose has it's thorns, all that. These boards at this age tend to have issues. if you acquire one, you will most likely be facing these. It is only fair to call them out. When JYMV reviews contemporary offerings, he does not mod them; why make bolt-modding an M a requirement for a review? If you want a perfect board you'l need to go for NOS or a Unicomp. I think this review is fantastic and I also appreciate that JYMV has the guts to be honest about his feelings about the feel and especially the loudness of this keyboard.
I can say from owning both an original IBM model M from 1993 and a Unicomp ultraclassic that there is a HUGE difference in tactility between my old IBM without boltmod and the Unicomp board. Both are bucklings sping, with the unicomp board only being a different case and with the addition of windows keys. I would recommend you to screw-mod your ssk for huuuuge gains in tactility and crispiness. When the barrel plate and backplate are properly held by the plastic rivets or boltmodded, the tactility is close to that of the Kailh Box Jades. Great job on the video btw!
Unusual perspective, but I can see where you're coming from. I used to think IBMs were too loud, but now that I've been using clicky mechanical boards for a while, they don't seem that bad, and unlike many modern switches, are not finicky. I've read of ways to suppress the ping, but haven't tried it.
That backplate is horribly damaged, practically half the keys have already lost contact. Don't expect that keyboard to work much longer, and that may explain the inconsistencies you've found.
Maybe it's not the most tactile switch you'll find out there, but you forgot to mention two remarkable features: The (satifying) click happens always right at the same time as registration, and maybe this is more subjective, at least I do not get the cramps if I have to write for long periods of time. I've been using mine for some time and it's the most confortable keyboard for typing long texts (like this, for example).
About noise, if you don't like it it's a total no-go of course (no surprises there), but it is another deeply subjetive matter (bolt modding softens the noise a lot, you should try it).
Also, I do not agree with your opinion of "It's not linear, then it's 'less mechanic'". That kind of "truth" depends on your typing style and preferences (as you can see mine are completely different).
Nice video anyway, good work as usual. :)
one of my dream board
It's my number 1 dream board I am trying to find it in warehouse different each if them and trying to find a perfect one with a low price Ebay exponsive
IBM = Indestructable Badass Motherfuckers.
Had to say it because the model M basically set the foundation for modern mechanical keyboards, specifically the layout. I have a taste for all linear, tactile and clicky switches but for the clicky variants, buckling springs are on the top in terms of key feel and sound. I tried these at meetups and to me they only lose to Alps. Furthermore, the build quality of the model M is something that you cannot find on modern keyboards unless you spend a few hundred bucks on high-end custom boards.
It's kinda sad that you don't have a taste for clicky switches. I bet that if you did you would love this board.
Wonder if you'd be able to take the springs out of a buckling spring keyboard and lube them to reduce upstroke ping. Could be interesting
A common thing people do is put a bit of floss into each spring to prevent ping
Speaker is used for the UNIX RS/6000 version. The way it tests for the keyboard presence is testing the 50ohm impedence from the speaker. To a PC, it's irrelevant. Some early RS/6000's wouldn't IPL unless they had a speaker keyboard.
If u want a modern vintage look keyboard do consider TVs gold , it was a clone of the IBM model m keyboard in the 80s and still uses the same chassis, now . U can check out there is an LTT video on it , however fun fact , if u can get a white keyboard, from before 2004 , the key caps will be pbt , and not abs the black has always been made from abs , however for some reason the white model is made from pbt
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I love your videos man keep it up.
Nice review. Also I finally found someone who find a resembelence in key feel between membrane bs to Kailh box white, I thought I'm the only one who think so :P
Speaking of which what is your opinion on capacitive bs compare to membrane ones? For me capacitive ones are miles ahead of their membrane successors in key feel and sound IMO, still I'm pretty interested on your thought on them if you ever tried them before.
I have not yet tried capacitive bs yet, and I think it might be a while before I do. I want to get a Kishsaver on the off chance that I actually like it and want to keep it
You should try model fs
Cherry MX switches for me is a weird one I tried it on some store where they have test keys it felt super smooth or too smooth to be exact I got used to rubber domes and thise rubber domes are hard this keyboard is a okay for me waiting to find the correct one
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I know where you're coming from. People often complain about 'ping' on some boards, but no one seems to talk about the horrific dry 'sproinggg' of Model-M's. You can get used to it and I still like the board (I have a bolt-modded 139131) but don't believe all the hype all the time...
Just for future reference what grade bracket would you give the topre?: great, good, or meh?
I'd say it's good. I do maintain that a lot of the hype is purely based on them being expensive though.
JYMV it's hyped for it's smoothness and cushioned bottoming out, people see that is a good thing. Do you see it differently as in they are mushy? What do you think separates your opinion about topre than the rest of the community, and why you think zealios is infinitely better
@@jordanlimantara1814 I wouldn't say Topre's bottom out is mushy, but I definitely don't like the cushion. This is consistent with my opinion of any silent switches.
The other thing to consider is that in the age of thin chicklet and butterfly switches, a lot of people have not used regular full-travel rubber dome boards for a while. I got to try a Microsoft NaturalErgonomic at work side-by-side with Topre, and while more refined, it's not better enough to be worth the 10x price hike.
This is why I maintain the price point is a hidden hype generator for Topre. I don't think they'd be as popular if they were cheaper
JYMV expensive boards share similarity with vintage boards in that they both are hard to obtain, my rf variable just arrived, and I must say that it is quite something, it is snappy which is mostly what I need to get used to, but for once I get to try stabilized key that doesn't rattle like hell and which is a great improvement.
@@jordanlimantara1814 I'm also getting one soon although it's 55g
I love model m. I need space saver and kish. I will collect them someday.
did you ever collect them
@@nbshftr a broken ssk yes. Real kish is very rare.
@@hannibalkim nice
Do you think the Mechanical keyboard craze will let up soon? Because prices are just CRAZY!
They are only going up in price. More and more. I don’t expect them to go down.
How about a video of your E6V2?
I messed that build up with some truly horrendous springs so that will be on hold until I can get it rebuilt.
I'm pretty sure the next video will be the M60-A
@@JYMV M60-A! Nice! Love your videos
Well I can tell you that your keyboard needs a serious screw mod. That is the reason your keys feel different and respond differently. Once that is done, you will notice a serious difference in feel. I can tell you it does make a difference.
Find out more. Once you know, you know.
snowdog993.imgur.com/
How much did you pay for this board?
It's been a while since I've had it but I paid around 200. I think market price is around there, with added cost for bolt modding
the model M isn't a mechanical keyboard. It classifies as a membrane board.
Mechanical keyboard is not an accurate term in general. It usually means it doesn't have rubber domes when it's actually used.
This is wrong on so many levels, "membrane" is not the opposite of "mechanical" and the latter particularly is an extremely ambiguous and ultimately meaningless term, generally used to refer to anything that isn't a rubber dome over membrane keyboard. The Model M uses a membrane, yes, but also has discrete switches which use coil springs for actuation and return force instead of a rubber dome, doesn't need to be bottomed out to actuate, in every important way it's more similar to a "traditional" mechanical switch like Cherry MX than other membrane keyboards such as the crappy rubber dome keyboards that come free with Dell office PCs.
this board is also horribly mamed and cannot provide a consistant review. many sellers collect, refurbish, clean, and re-bolt the board. it's ma much smoother experience when it's functional
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glad i'm not the only one who thinks the model M is uncomfortable to type on