@ret7army: Of course, they couldn't do the whole trip with one cargo of coal, so they had to anchor to get coal supply from (by the way german) cargo ships several times. So why overload practically at _every_ coal supplying the ships so coal were stored even on the upper deck? Simply because Rozhestvensky commanded them to do so, since they were so afraid of "japanese torpedo boats" on pretty much the whole trip that they even sank some english fishing boats near England in the dark, causing "some" diplomatic problems. It's actually a surprise they didn't shot at each other ...oh, wait. They did.
Because there are several long legs during the journey which stretches the ship's endurance to limit. Remember the British were outright hostile to the Russian fleet so they can only call port at French colonies. The last leg of the journey for example was none-stop from French Indochina to Vladivostok.
There are German colliers but coal cannot be transferred in open sea. They need at least some covered anchorage to do the coaling, which was only available at French colonies. Also the German colliers did not accompany the fleet in their last leg.
It is so called "handover" model built in 1901 or 1900 - such models were built in parrallel with the ship to display at the launch ceremony to the customer - i.e. Tzar. I assume this scale was adopted cause it was small enough to keep ever growing collection in museum and on the other hand it was big enough for a monarch and other vip public to observe without loosing dignity ( no need to bend, use glasses etc/).
There is mention that the Borodino loaded twice her allotted supplies of coal and how this additional weight affected her. However after such a long journey I think that she was no longer affected by the weight of her coal supplies. Interesting bit of history overall, thanks for sharing it
This video fails to mention how the IJN had implemented a new way of engaging their enemies not long before the Battle of Tsushima. In the russian fleet, they still used the pre dated method of each battery engaging their targets individually, while the japanese had a center placed sailor who targeted a single ship for all of the guns, thus greatly improving accuracy.
Most people CLEARLY do not know anything about Russian navy history and thus these videos are only good to teach some history for people to know something else beyond what you can find already on internet about U.S, British, German and Japanese navies.
turn of the century Russian navy was a joke, definitely not a blue water navy. It's a wonder their fleet even made it to the Pacific without half the ships capsizing.
thefaller01 of course, I personally think its silly that there are Russian ships in the game to begin with especially before french, Italian, and especially the Royal Navy. The russian fleet was a disgrace to ocean going navies at the turn of the century and was mostly incapable of sailing out of sight of land.
+morti271 Nobody enjoys being killed,but that's war.At least they didn't make it easy for the Japanese and put up a last stand until their inevitable death.
It went down as a symbol of heroism? It should be along the lines of engineering failure. Accepting that wouldn't take away from the current age badassery :D
+morti271 The heroic thing is that the entire russian fleed stood their ground even though it was made up of farmers who were basicaly shanghaied into this trip.
I love these kind of videos, keep them coming, BUT for the love of god stop bootlicking the russians ffs, dont say the "battleship was one of the best of its time" or "on par with others" to just then point alot of critical flaws and a subpar performance...
+thefaller01 Most people CLEARLY do not know anything about Russian navy history and thus these videos are only good to teach sse ome history for people to know something else beyond what you can find already on internet about U.S, British, German and Japanese navies.
Why isn’t she a tier II premium pre-Dreadnought like the Mikasa in the game? For some reason they took a made up Dreadnought battleship and called it Knyaz Suvorov and put it a tier III. 🤔 The Suvorov was a pre-Dreadnought. And it should be a tier II like Mikasa. Plus the Mikasa needs somebody to duke it out with, and what could be better than a “historically accurate” Knyaz Suvorov!
Take note Wargaming. Russia does not have a history of great ships. Or tanks (Though there were exceptions) certainly not planes (some exceptions). So when you make Russian stuff exaggeratedly powerful in a game . Don't try and claim historical accuracy. Be honest, you have a very large arrogant and aggressive Russian player base with a huge chip on its proud shoulders. You are pandering to them as a Rus developer.
+thegeneral123 Well there are many nazis in Russia, so they will buy all the stuff announced like this. It will be totally op in the game of course for no reason.
+Jesse Warmels Of course, it's russian. And if they have added all the crappy russian ships they will start adding stronk russian fishing boats with stonk 600mm guns.
Defeat? French say that? It wasn't a defeat: we suffered more casualties but didn't loose the army, French didn't achieve their goals - they couldn't force our Tzar to sign a peace.
@@ДмитрийМарков-х6и2щ Borodino is a french + allied victory so you name a ship by a defeat. It's strange. Anyway in france lot of people like Poutine a lot. Long live to Russia.
if these battleships wer e 'on par with the mightiest battleships of their time' why did they get beaten up so easily? oh i get it, it's wargamings way to announce something 'epic' for their store - too bad these battleships sucked IRL
It's called getting outmanouvered. The battleships themselves were fine. But being overloaded with coal, having their machinery destroyed by the long haul - and being outnumbered by the Japanese - all that meant that they had no room to manoeuvre. As a note, Slava fought in WW1 and stood its own even against generations younger German ships.
I can't tell you how much I'd love this ship and similar pre dreads to play in game. it could finally give the Mikasa another tier 2 BB to go against.
I would have loved that to
I WANT THIS IN GAME :D
@ret7army: Of course, they couldn't do the whole trip with one cargo of coal, so they had to anchor to get coal supply from (by the way german) cargo ships several times. So why overload practically at _every_ coal supplying the ships so coal were stored even on the upper deck? Simply because Rozhestvensky commanded them to do so, since they were so afraid of "japanese torpedo boats" on pretty much the whole trip that they even sank some english fishing boats near England in the dark, causing "some" diplomatic problems. It's actually a surprise they didn't shot at each other ...oh, wait. They did.
+AkosJaccik Dogger Bank Incident. They kill 3 british fishermen and a chaplain.... a russian one.
Because there are several long legs during the journey which stretches the ship's endurance to limit. Remember the British were outright hostile to the Russian fleet so they can only call port at French colonies. The last leg of the journey for example was none-stop from French Indochina to Vladivostok.
There are German colliers but coal cannot be transferred in open sea. They need at least some covered anchorage to do the coaling, which was only available at French colonies. Also the German colliers did not accompany the fleet in their last leg.
Why such an exotic scale? The model itself wís awesome. I have just built the sistership Oryol from Zvezda in scale 350, which is 345mm long.
It is so called "handover" model built in 1901 or 1900 - such models were built in parrallel with the ship to display at the launch ceremony to the customer - i.e. Tzar. I assume this scale was adopted cause it was small enough to keep ever growing collection in museum and on the other hand it was big enough for a monarch and other vip public to observe without loosing dignity ( no need to bend, use glasses etc/).
This is the ship that got me into battleships rest peace and may we remember you wel and long ⚓
More tier two BBs would be cool .
the battle representation was so cool
really appreciating these historical series!
I don't wanna sound like a Russian Bootlicker but, I feel any ship that goes down fighting is Heroic to me
it doesn't make you a bootlicker to respect someone for valor shown in combat.
why cant this be in WOWS ;c
A very nice model ship......
Well WG ever make this ship? I will instantly buy it.
Great Video, Cheers
Google worst battleship design ever. " 1:09 " Advanced as in it is the first submersible battleship, although it can't resurface.
+Hanna-Justina Wallia Rosalind Sieglinde Marseille OMG its at the top of the search. I thought you were kidding.
+Hanna-Justina Wallia Rosalind Sieglinde Marseille and wow the russian said all thing like this is good even though it is bad and useless
Hanna-Justina Wallia Rosalind Sieglinde Marseille omg hahahaahag
The design was French.
There is mention that the Borodino loaded twice her allotted supplies of coal and how this additional weight affected her. However after such a long journey I think that she was no longer affected by the weight of her coal supplies. Interesting bit of history overall, thanks for sharing it
This video fails to mention how the IJN had implemented a new way of engaging their enemies not long before the Battle of Tsushima. In the russian fleet, they still used the pre dated method of each battery engaging their targets individually, while the japanese had a center placed sailor who targeted a single ship for all of the guns, thus greatly improving accuracy.
Why does the game get oversaturated with fictional Russian ships, while you could release thís Borodino instead?
your borodino model is so beautiful... borodino, when russian sailors fight valiantly to the end... 🥀
this video is awesome
Most people CLEARLY do not know anything about Russian navy history and thus these videos are only good to teach some history for people to know something else beyond what you can find already on internet about U.S, British, German and Japanese navies.
Great Work hope to See Many More Ships frome Other Nations :)
I would love to see this Naval Museum in St Petersburg.
turn of the century Russian navy was a joke, definitely not a blue water navy. It's a wonder their fleet even made it to the Pacific without half the ships capsizing.
+jbspencer77 And yet they keep spoonfeeding their russian audience with stuff like "one of the best of its time" and yadda-yadda....
thefaller01 of course, I personally think its silly that there are Russian ships in the game to begin with especially before french, Italian, and especially the Royal Navy. The russian fleet was a disgrace to ocean going navies at the turn of the century and was mostly incapable of sailing out of sight of land.
+jbspencer77 I prefer they introduce french navy between russian navy shit. xD
Kevin Outfield either the French or Italian navy, both of which where substantial and had very modern equipment during the 1915-1945 period
jbspencer77 That i said. La marine français et bien meilleure que la Marine russe, en tout points.
She ain't going down without a fight , that's a worthy death
+Chung Wong There was no heroic fight. The people on board were slaughtered and I'm sure they did not enjoy it.
+morti271 Nobody enjoys being killed,but that's war.At least they didn't make it easy for the Japanese and put up a last stand until their inevitable death.
It went down as a symbol of heroism?
It should be along the lines of engineering failure. Accepting that wouldn't take away from the current age badassery :D
+Ron Kv Sailor heroism, officers incompetence.
+mogaman28 How exactly is dying on a ship heroic? If there was a possibility to escape they all would have run for their lives.
morti271
Only repeating what the guy in the video said.
+morti271 The heroic thing is that the entire russian fleed stood their ground even though it was made up of farmers who were basicaly shanghaied into this trip.
Duncan Cook
Wasting the lifes of unexperienced people who were forced to fight and die is very heroic indeed.
T2 Russian Premium BB confirmed ? :D
9:03 Can someone name that song at the end?
What is the music in the begining?
They should put the ships that is showed in youtube
Where can i buy her in 1/42 or 1/100
pls do some of the IJN ships
where is this museum? I gotta go.
Glynis Mac i know this comment is old but i have to ask you knew this battleship isn't a museum right?
St. Petersburg, Russia
@@nordic5628 he means the museum where the model(s) is/are housed
I love these kind of videos, keep them coming, BUT for the love of god stop bootlicking the russians ffs, dont say the "battleship was one of the best of its time" or "on par with others" to just then point alot of critical flaws and a subpar performance...
+thefaller01 Most people CLEARLY do not know anything about Russian navy history and thus these videos are only good to teach sse ome history for people to know something else beyond what you can find already on internet about U.S, British, German and Japanese navies.
Why isn’t she a tier II premium pre-Dreadnought like the Mikasa in the game? For some reason they took a made up Dreadnought battleship and called it Knyaz Suvorov and put it a tier III. 🤔
The Suvorov was a pre-Dreadnought. And it should be a tier II like Mikasa. Plus the Mikasa needs somebody to duke it out with, and what could be better than a “historically accurate” Knyaz Suvorov!
Music 4:18
Take note Wargaming. Russia does not have a history of great ships. Or tanks (Though there were exceptions) certainly not planes (some exceptions).
So when you make Russian stuff exaggeratedly powerful in a game . Don't try and claim historical accuracy. Be honest, you have a very large arrogant and aggressive Russian player base with a huge chip on its proud shoulders. You are pandering to them as a Rus developer.
+thegeneral123 Well there are many nazis in Russia, so they will buy all the stuff announced like this. It will be totally op in the game of course for no reason.
Will she come to the game?
+Vuurkiller002 For sure, and she will be a tier 3 and better than the Mikasa.
+mogaman28 Tier 1 with 15 RPM
Is this ship also coming in the game?
+Jesse Warmels Of course, it's russian. And if they have added all the crappy russian ships they will start adding stronk russian fishing boats with stonk 600mm guns.
that guys pronounciation of tsushima is laek super offensive
I wanted to say something smart, but I can't think of anything.
Heroic?
+AmarFox6 Yes! If russian people die it's always heroic in WG propaga ... uuum reporting.
British tree is going to be in early 2016
+fu4ien Sure hope so.
How Russia can name a batleship with a Russian battle's defeat ??
Defeat? French say that? It wasn't a defeat: we suffered more casualties but didn't loose the army, French didn't achieve their goals - they couldn't force our Tzar to sign a peace.
@@ДмитрийМарков-х6и2щ Borodino battle was a french tactic victory but not strategic. Sorry for your unknoledge.
@@manualteirac9817 Victory is achieving the goals - French didn't achieve theirs, we have achieved ours. Yes, by loosing more men at that day.
@@ДмитрийМарков-х6и2щ Borodino is a french + allied victory so you name a ship by a defeat. It's strange. Anyway in france lot of people like Poutine a lot. Long live to Russia.
@@manualteirac9817 Always a pleasure, have a nice day as well :-)
Please tell the story of the battle, not of a single ship. It makes no sense out of context and just sounds like your blowing your own ships horn.
2nd...??
Rusların iyi ki çok sağlam bir donanması yokmuş yoksa oyun Tanks'ın aynısı olurdu.
so the russians fucked up again :P nothing heroic about this....... then bissmarck, the hood, and lots of other ships are heroic aswell....
people who fought in bad ship doesent makes them not heroic
+Vid Vukovac Don't forget the bad battle strategy by their admiral.
+Vid Vukovac Dying on a ship makes nobody heroic.
why heroic? did they sunk any japanese ship? looks like a senseless death imao ...
+SawFG Dying without killing even more people is at least a little bit heroic.
if these battleships wer e 'on par with the mightiest battleships of their time' why did they get beaten up so easily?
oh i get it, it's wargamings way to announce something 'epic' for their store - too bad these battleships sucked IRL
It's called getting outmanouvered. The battleships themselves were fine. But being overloaded with coal, having their machinery destroyed by the long haul - and being outnumbered by the Japanese - all that meant that they had no room to manoeuvre.
As a note, Slava fought in WW1 and stood its own even against generations younger German ships.
niestety ale wszechobecna korupcja i niekompetencja zmarnowała ten wysiłek rosyjskiego narodu
ale model piękny
Heroic death? lel
forth...
war gameing this ship not OP uk ships best at that time
first?
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