'Why was the Just Stop Oil founder imprisoned when Boris Johnson wasn't?' | LBC opinion
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- James O'Brien gives his opinion as five Just Stop Oil members - including one of its co-founders, Roger Hallam, - have been jailed for between four and five years for conspiring to organise protests that blocked the M25.
Hallam - who also co-founded Extinction Rebellion - was sentenced to five years' imprisonment while the other four defendants were each handed four years' imprisonment.
The environmental group have described the sentences as a "obscene perversion of justice".
Prosecutors alleged the protests, which saw 45 people climb up the gantries, led to an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was more than £1.1 million.
James O'Brien insists that 'you need to do something significant to draw the attention that the emergency demands', but also finds Stonehenge 'ridiculous', and stresses the need for 'peaceful' protest.
James O'Brien also compares Just Stop Oil's jail sentences to the consequences of Boris Johnson's premiership.
'An ex-PM, who caused countless unnecessary deaths by transferring resources from pandemic response to preparation for his lunatic no-deal Brexit, gets no punishment at all', says James O'Brien
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For hundreds of years the rich and powerful have slowly created laws designed to protect themselves.
Just stop oil owner is a billionaire
Absolutely correct bro
It's ironic that Rishi Sunak joined a farmers protest in Wales against Labour where they blocked the roads with tractors, it was the same time that demonstrators were arrested and subsequently jailed for 'conspiring' to do the same in London.
Outrageous
They should have been charged as well
I didn't know protest was illegal have we turned into N Korea?@davidlawton5553
@@drunkengamer1977 Those freedom loving right wingers love to ban things
@Toadface62 The right to peacefully protest is fundamental in a democracy Britain has a long history of protest it's why we have rights people fought for them.
You’re seeing in England what we’ve been seeing in the US with Trump. The worst people never face consequences.
How you can say that in light of recent events is astonishing.
@@stephenglasse2743 eh? could you expand on this, i do not know what you mean
Don't compare us to you yanks thanks.
Like in leeds ... lbc ain't covering that 🤣😂
@@NonConformist-ys4wr I note that incidents have occurred but I agree re them not being strongly publicised but only to reduce copycat incidents.
More to the point why haven’t the post office execs been prosecuted?
When are the water company execs going to pay back their bonuses?
Because the inquiry is still ongoing....did you not know that in your cave??.
@@andrewtorrens947 inquiry is spelt enquiry. The police have enough evidence and they don’t need to wait for an enquiry to sweep everything under the rug.
@@grahams1609’enquiry’ is a variant spelling of ‘inquiry’.
@@clarecrawford9677 It is the correct UK spelling in case you didn’t know
@@grahams1609When introducing pedantry to the debate be sure not to get egg on your face. “Inquiry” is used for formal investigations and official hearings. “Enquiry” is for less formal settings. It is a minor and nuanced difference and not one to get hung up on.
Boris and his gang are still free.
The list is too long. Party gate. Undeclared secret loans. Cushty jobs for best mates.
@@karlnadin1554the theft of £28 billion track n trace of taxpayers money.
@@karlnadin1554Putting a Russian son of a KGB agent into the HoL. That is as serious as it gets.
I said the EXACT same thing about David Cameron who got a Lordship! Who's done more damage to the country, these or Cameron? Twisted world
What's the charge for the Tories 'misappropriation' of our government funds?
The same as the charge when Labour do it
The same as those stolen by Labour councils in places like Liverpool.
Same as when G. Brown stole the pensions.
What's the charge for Labour changing the British Constitution under Blair?
@@Redman6899proven examples would be useful.
"Climate activists are sometimes depicted as dangerous radicals. But, the truly dangerous radicals are the countries that are increasing the production of fossil fuels." Antonio Guterres, UN Secretary-General
They are not radical they are reactionary
@Skylark So why are those clowns demonstrating here...give them a map!
From a biblical story it seems like the choice is jailing just stop oil or barrabus.we are imprisoning people who want to save the planet and releasing bank robbers.
@@chatham43 you didn't hear that sunak issued drilling licences I presume. Maybe you are the clown. Do you think climate change is a joke?
What about the warmongers. Wars are the biggest polluters of all . And yet they are not even t r y i n g to negotiate
If thats the charge for impeding traffic, what's the sentence for impeding a whole parliament?
also not telling Zelensky about peace talks to sell weapons
@@trisstucker9741 they didn't, thats the point
@blossom So it wasn't your gran held up in an ambulance...so I can fully understand your viewpoint.
Kitch golden wallpaper.
Fine, if a person wants to protest, then protest the Government, why should the target of the protest be the public or art and sport
On the subject of bias in the legal system, anyone know if the students who got fined £10,000 for organizing parties during covid got their money back in the light of Johnson and Sunak's punishments?
I'm inclined to view this as a clear sign that the country is walking further and further into the realms of authoritarianism.
The whole world! 😢
@@lbthingsstuffmore9513exactly!
We had that in the covid lockdown which James cheered on
It is called Globalism, people or culture doesn't matter they want to divide and rule.
Walking......
Let's not forget that the judge barred emeritus professor of geophysical and climate hazards at UCL, Bill McGuire, from giving expert testimony, no doubt because what he had to say would have influenced a jury against the verdict that was required by the Establishment.
Not if there were only working class people on the jury....you know the vast majority of the population!!!
@@andrewtorrens947 - How does that work, then? Are working class people not going to be influenced by expert testimony? Are you suggesting that we're too thick to understand it, or that we just don't care about the planet and our children's futures, so would have ignored it? Do tell.
Isn't emeritus the lead singer of Ghost?
@@andrewtorrens947 So you're saying the working class are too dim to understand the arguments? The judge obviously didn't think so.
@@ianiles6430calm down... I think he was having a dig at the judge not the jury?
It’s not about what you do, it’s about who you are and who you know.
It's not who you know or what you know. it's what you know about who you know.
It's obscene after what the Tories have done to the country
@anne And that's why you packed your bags and left and didn't remain here and whine and whinge...and I respect you for that!
Labour have only been in power 2 months and they are making a right mess of it
Because as always the laws punish the poor, and protect the rich. Simply put.
He chose to sit in the road. Not the first time he has broken the law either
A few years ago we had 'Insulate Britain' causing chaos. The energy crisis and subsequent hike in fuel prices proved their message correct. People especially the poorest couldn't heat their homes, homes that desperately needed insulating. We ignore the messages at our peril.
I'm on benefits. Last time I looked in the loft of my socially provided house, there was a metre of insulation in there.
As much as I don’t agree about how they go about their protest I don’t agree with them going to prison for 4- 5 years.
The system is messed up.
Beyond the pandemic though, peaceful protesters going to prison while Fujitsu and post office execs are free and with millions of pounds of stolen money in their bank accounts is outrageous.
The problem with "eco-zealots" .... is that they are absolutely right.. We are allowing governments to make things worse because its simply easier for us right now..
Well I'm not but get your point 🤣👍🕊️
Why don't the eco zealots fly to China and protest about the 80 coal powered plants being built every year.
1 law for us & no laws for them 😢
Who is “us” - you are also trying to stop traffic ?
@@yington- are you one of the people who demand laws be enforced while cheering on people destroying ULEZ cameras?
@@NapoleonGelignite
No. Are you?
@@yington - no. I don’t believe the tactics of JSO are effective - quite the opposite. The problem of altering the climate is such a huge problem that many people don’t have the ability to comprehend it. We’ve taken the chemistry of the atmosphere back to conditions last seen 20+ million years ago, and half the CO2 we have added has been since 1990.
@@yingtonwhen you have 2 million people who could work from home but you insist they travel to work that has the effect of disruptions traffic but on every working day.
Boris should have served serveral years of a life sentence already.
As someone who was stopped by some of the protests, particularly the Dartford Bridge and M25 Gantry protests, it wasn't the protestors that stopped the traffic. It was the Police, to be accurate. The Protestors were pretty much out of harms way and the traffic could have carried on. The Police with a "Duty of Care" felt for everyone's safety traffic should be stopped! Me, I think the Police should have just let the traffic flow until the Protestors got bored!😀
And that is from someone who is sympathetic to their ideas!
You should watch videos of JSO stopping traffic. Without the police present they would have done the same. The police were just there to prevent violence against them.
@@KeldonA Fair point and to be honest I was being a tad flippant, hence the smiley!
However, I do think that, on a wider issue, people's ability to protest is increasingly being restricted, particularly when Big Business (and friends & Doners of Governments') are involved. (King's Coronation for example, direct protests against Oil Companies, Arms Manufacturers..........)
The point about this thread is that it seems alright for Boris to plan to break the Law (for his own ends) but not people who seem to want to protect our future and have altruistic values, rather than selfish!.
Remember Boris planned, and there is evidence (somehow not deemed important), to have a journalist beaten up!
anyone who thinks that sentence is justified should hand back all the rights they have that were won by protests.
One law for the rich , one law for the poor !!!
Think youll find Cressida isnt poor , not by a long chalk
None of the oil berks are poor.
@user So what are you moaning about then?
@@tank-x7i yeah exactly these rich kid protestors get to do what they want now a few have finally got a proper sentence people are upset. They other day two broken into an airport and damaged planes. Anyone else doing that would of had the book thrown at them. But because they're middle class rich kids with "a cause" they get away with it.
I'd argue no laws for the rich all are for the poor
Disgusting. This is a travesty of justice.
The biggest cost will be to the planet.
I wonder who'll be blamed when things really kick off....
"Conspiracy" to steal a tin of beans, = possible ten year sentence.
"Stealing" a tin of beans, = probable sentence, police caution.
@brian So presumably you weren't in an emergency ambulance on the M25 that day. In the light of that I can fully understand your position.
@@chatham43which ambulance was that? Since you have the info to hand
@chatham43 presumably you weren't in a phyciatric ward trying to open a tin of beans with your tongue?...😂
@@chatham43- I’d bet my toes the fossil fuel lobby are behind the JSO antics. It distracts and polarises people. It is intended to ‘wake up’ people who are immune to evidence and reason. There are people who refuse to believe the world is spherical (an oblate spheroid technically), and there’s not a 16 trillion a year industry funding Flat Earth….
@ian Still chasing the cheap likes I see.😊
Excellent question. The UK is a country where those with networks of contacts born of private education, soon to be subject to VAT, can get away with ANYTHING (e.g. Johnson & Co.).
Or just stop oil!!!
You really need to start looking g into the background of these people....not a working class person amongst them!!!
@@andrewtorrens947 so what? they wanto to do something worthwhile to save the Earth from it's own inhabitants. they are not MPs, so they do not get the protection that that allows
They will lead you to believe that the biggest enemy of the state is the migrant.
@andrew So you missed out on a private education. Get over it.😊
@@chatham43 Hey sweetheart...I've been living in the south of France for 35 years so managed to escape before your chump chums could slam the door 🚪. 🤣🇨🇵🇪🇺
Elitism and greed.
How so?
We are not in a democracy
Yes, do catch up! The curtailing of Liz Truss' Prime Ministerial Tenure proved this
Should democracy apply in the courts? Should they canvas the public be asked to suggest a punishment? Don’t be dim.
Lib Dems get 3.5 million votes = 72 seats, Reform UK get 4 million votes = 5 seats, something is very wrong with Democracy in the UK 😢
😂What's democracy got to do with this?
@@brendasg155 Democracy is about representation and the right to have differing views to others. ie environmental concerns.
When one group denies another group the right to express those views, then Democracy is diminished.
Not advocating violent protest, but what we are seeing is an increasing number of incidents where the Police ARE arresting even those that ARE protesting peacefully, albeit directly (Republicans), and with the prior permission of the Police Ie. The King's Coronation, because other groups (Royalists) were deemed to be offended!
Sometimes, in fact quite often, Democracy does offend!
Suffragettes, tolpuddle martyrs, anti apartheid protesters, anti poll tax protesters. To name but a few! The world has never given any ordinary people rights, they have had to be fought for. I am grateful for the sacrifices made by these women and men who have a vision of a fairer world for now and for the future of our civilisation.
You can now get arrested and put into jail for simply talking about protesting in this country
They got pinched for conspiracy to disrupt traffic not protesting, as well you know
@brendasg155 conspiracy to stop traffic by protesting, not terrorism it's called pre planning pre arranging, you're obviously in agreement with the loss of human /worker's rights and freedoms that's fascism
@@waynegazard5038
“Pre-planning” If you are planning to commit a criminal act and are caught, expect to be prosecuted
@wayne So what are you moaning about then?
Now you are being disingenuous!
When did we become a country that protects statues and motorways with more vigor than we protect people?
Seventeenth century? at a guess.
1453
when some people decided that they are against democracy and created their own rules based on their own opinions
Never mind this nonsense O'Brien - what about the rioting in Leeds?
@@m420-nd1if Start of the Wars of the Roses? 1066, surely.
Our history is full of decent people who have risked their lives for a just cause,Tolpuddle martys, Suffragettes to name but two.
They didn't risk lives, people died as a result of their actions
These are political prisoners- very sad day for the UK
No, they are attention seeking, childish, virtue signallers.
Our Judicial system is there for the rich and well connected. Not for the majority of us any more.
In law 'conspiracy' or 'joint enterprise' is a charge which is treated with much more severity in the courts. Now of course - with the Post Office inquiry it is blindingly obvious to anyone who has followed the proceedings that 'conspiracy' should be right at the top of any future charge sheet. However that seems unlikely - given the massive extent of the conspiracy and the involvement of 'establishment' figures, such as government ministers and senior civil servants. Direct action pressure groups have no such protection and therefore the individuals concerned are subject to the full force of the law. Is this right - clearly not - but it comes with a constitution of 'entitlement' which means that the prosecution system and the courts will always give the 'high and mighty' much more latitude than the ordinary man or woman on the street.
Excellent statement of fact.
It’s not only that but “obstruction of a highway” wasn’t a criminal offence before the 2022 law changes that also brought in the idea of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance aka the anti-protesting law. I believe previously obstructing a highway was treated as a civil matter where you could get fined for doing it but not much more unless I am mistaken. Then they updated it to a criminal offence and brought in potential jail sentence up to 51 weeks. 🤔🤷
@arghjayem
Absolutely. The Police, Crime and Sentencing Act 2022. There are a raft of other previously minor offences which now carry hefty custodial penalties.
@@brianferguson7840 I wonder why the prison system might be overcrowded 🤔
"Joint enterprsie" was amended in 2016. It no longer exists.
And Tony Blair has received no recourse for being a war criminal...
Not found guilty Boris was bot
nO'brain only ever cries about the right
i'm amazed you hadn't noticed
@@broadcast-east only because the crooks kicked the can 80 years down the road
@@ukqwerty999 He is rarely wrong and never seen anyone beat him in a debate. He gets the facts under his control faces off to opinionated speculation. They dont stand a chance.
@@broadcast-east You mean he shouts and bawls to try and put the other person off.
Weird that all the people who constantly talk about free speech are silent on this...
These "protesters" were obstructing other people's freedoms. They're disruptive to US. They're disruptive to ME.
They wanted to disrupt people's ability to fly (costing people thousands of pounds, making them miss funerals, etc.) This is why they don't get anyone's support, because they have chosen to be adversarial to us.
What kind of idiotic comment is this? JSO have no right in disrupting other people's lives. If they want to protest go to the centre of Hyde Park and stream it online. I know you being a lefty will find this too confusing to understand.
Let us never forget the Tories who tried to smear Labour as 'the political wing of Just Stop Oil', deliberately invoking the same language and tone of Sinn Fein being called 'the political wing of the IRA'.
@ealadubh4800 Dale Vince funded Labour and used to fund Just Stop Oil. So they were the political wing of JSO. The Tories were right
Fantastic James. Please continue doing journalism like this not making excuses for labour and Isreali government
This is so like the the presenters views not the news.
Because the Police were at the party.
Boris didn’t organise the party or buy a cake, talk about all out of proportion
@@MargaretOHare-p8h His house mate...There's no excuse
Police aren’t the ones who deal out sentences 🙄
@@benward4538 they refused to even investigate until they were sued into doing it. even tho they were guarding the parties. wake up
@@benward4538 correct, but they do gather evidence for the crown prosecution service.
I didn't see them arresting farmers when they impeded the traffic.
Did the farmers refused to let a pregnant woman go to hospital?
They weren't arrested for impeding traffic "DONT You listen" they were charged with CONSPIRACY!!!
@@miladeskandari7 You know that's very hard to say. It's almost certain that the farmers' go-slow protests affected emergency services, but media reports are silent on this point. On the other hand you'd be tempted to believe that the queues causes by JSO protesters were entirely comprised of ambulances and fire engines. The double standards applies as much to media reporting as it does to the way protesters are treated by the authorities.
@@brianferguson7840 Read your own comment.
@@philiptaylor7902 It's not really that hard. I don't think a farmer would deny emergency services to pass through, as they're protest is irrelevant to them.
The rich get richer.
The poor get poorer and they always seem to get the jail time.
What a scandal!
We are living in the upsidedown.
Here is a question. Would you go to prison and not see your son grow up, if it meant you saved the world from global warming destruction and shutdown these oil corporations forever. Cos i would and i love my son and he is the only child i have!!!
@andrew But why bring a child into a climate catastrophe? Sounds very selfish to me.
I bet he is pleased!!
@andrew...Obviously brainwashed.....Climate business is fear tactics ...Mother Nature Rules OK.!!!!
But they're not saving the world. They're just disrupting traffic.
We already have awareness of the climate crisis in the UK. So their protests have achieved nothing in raising awareness. We are already all aware.
We're just POWERLESS. Instead they should have disrupted the politicians specifically who are holding us back.
They are the heroes. As the song says no more heroes any more.they have been imprisoned by the tories and their donors.
Because Capitalism
Sentencing Just Stop Oil for these disruptions is like jailing a seagull for being covered in oil from a spill.
How is that even remotely similar?
Well imagine how distressing it would be if that oil covered seagull landed on your car and messed up the glossy finish! Won't somebody think of the hard working motorists?!
@@ErwinPommelA seagull covered in oil cannot possibly fly.
What?😅
Tony Blaire, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, not even sentenced still walking around after what they did..!?!
What crime punishable by jail time have they committed???.
@@andrewtorrens947They can't answer 😂
What did Farage do?
you haven't been jailed for misuse of your limited education?
@user And you too. We need justice!😊
SHAMEFUL SENTENCES.
True, and no justice for the betting scandal during the election. Both main parties. Affected many.
dont paint them both the same. labour guy thought he was going to lose and bet on it. tories KNEW when the election was. big difference
@@kanedNunable no difference, they both painted themselves untrustworthy.
Are Tony Blair and Campbell still freemen?
It wasn’t peaceful though was it. Two lorry crashes
Will interesting to see the full impact of sentencing justice against all those complicit in the largest miscarriage of justice in legal history when innocent SPMs were ostracised, sent to prison, went bankrupt & led to suicide of at least one. I won't hold my breath if anyone that is part of the establishment actually faces criminal proceedings.
Society is designed to benefit egoists, not altruists.
I'd go further, there is a distrust towards altruists, whereas we find it normal and even admirable that people pursue their own interest.
Years in jail for stopping traffic? And this amid a huge overcrowding crisis in our prisons...
What on earth is going on?
Where's Sangita?
You are not going to be able to drive down the road when it is flooded or 125 degrees outside.
Hope you can swim then
What an eloquent speaker JO is, what a lexicon indeed. I could listen to him all day.
Yeah, the more honest you are, literally the more credibility you lose.
I know its terrible. Look at what theyre doing to Leeds right now.
What would the suffragettes been able to do?
False equivalence.
They were subject to tory type laws so they went to prison.
We Agree with "Just stop Oil's" aims!!... :)
The funny hand shake brigade all help each other they have get out of jail free cards when they belong to the secret sect
@alex And you can't find a way in...and not for the want of trying!😊
Since when do you jail people for drinking a glass of wine in their own house, O'Brien?
Listening to your programme always reaffirms my decision to have left the UK last year. Keep up speaking truth to power.
People are soon going to realize that peaceful protest has a 100% FAILURE rate. And once they realize that, and change to actions that bring success, then we'll see change. But first people need to terminate their addiction to pacifism.
Is going on strike by bus drivers, train drivers etc leave them open to prosecution for disrupting the infrastructure.
The Suffragettes faced these dilemmas and made similar strategy decisions. With the benefit of historical hindsight, they're now seen as heroines.
The vote was given to women post world war one in recognition of the enormous contribution of ordinary women to the war effort, not posh totty setting fire to cricket pavillions.
Single point I'd disagree on. As a member of the no longer tolerant left; ACAB, burning a police vehicle is not something for which an angry person should be condemned.
I can't believe my ears. Is this the same country where Boris is still at large?
Does James really not recognise the difference between planned road closures and protest disruption not known to the authorities before it happens?
Two teir police? A class division in the UK? Or just plain tyranny.....
Those with get away with anything. Those without pay the price. I dont know why your so surprised its been like this for many years now
Both deserve imprisonment. "I should be let off because he was let off" isn't much of a defence.
Was this the judge that would not give the correct sentence for violence against a woman to a met policeman. Because it would ruin his career? Just shows how twisted his judgements are and he should be removed from the bench.
@The Big ears....Nobody cares what you think. Hasn't the penny dropped yet?
@@chatham43What are you on about?
The length of the sentence is mental
Care about the planet & that it’s being destroyed? Apparently nobody cares!
This is outrageous!
This is dumb. The activism will shift to forms where getting arrested will not be an issue. It will not become less disruptive.
If this was a reform party member doing this then would James Obrien be so out spoken about this?
Nobody gave up the fight after Nelson Mandela was jailed for a change in his country. JSO want to change the world and I only have admiration for their fight for our future. ❤
Roger and Boris should both be in prison, but sadly we all know they are overflowing as is.
We get it James. You don’t like borris. Change the record.
Motor vehicles eh! The real untouchables, and the whole infrastructure around them.
And now here's Emily with the traffic news. See you again at the top of the hour.
Is that how the justice system works? One person can get away with a crime if somebody else did?
Oil protesters sentenced to 5 years in prison. Time to buy shares in petroleum jelly. I sure when they gets out they won’t be able to sit or protest for weeks.
Why isn't Michelle Mone in prison ?
Because she's got lots of money.
He's arguing for the proposition that certain kinds* of protestors are entitled to a special grant of license to harm other innocent people.
* Surely he excludes from his argument protestors whose issues don't meet his approval (e.g., Brexit or closing borders, etc.).
“Don’t look up”. If we all ignore climate change it won’t exist. What an amazingly level headed approach to a problem.
But who is ignoring climate change? We're already fully aware. We don't have a climate denial problem in England.
They've made nobody aware of anything they weren't already aware of.
Kier Starmer has already capitulated to JSO as they have pledged to have no new North sea oil or gas contracts: exactly what JSO financier and Ecotricity CEO Dale Vince have lobbied for.
Meanwhile people's right to protest has been quelled in response to JSO making a nuisance of themselves.
Now when the government impose climate lockdowns, CBDC and pandemic treaties the people will not be able to protest because of new legislation.
Thanks, JSO
1. You age does not impact the application of the law
2. Your profession does not impact the application of the law
3. Your "feelings" not impact the application of the law
What is disingenuous is to compare planned closures with unplanned closures, and I suspect the judge is rather more versed in the law than JoB.
How about Blair? Campbell?
What about the failures of Starmer as DPP?🤦♂
One law for the privileged and one for the rest of us. Stealing millions slap on the wrist, steal a loaf of bread and jail.
What should Blair get James, done some bad things? You never mention him do you.
I don't think Bojo has necessarily escaped justice yet.
No, indeed....
Hope you're right on this one
🤞🤞🤞
Bojo many wife's and mistresses are on his case and will get their share of his dishonest wealth.
I dont know. Are we constructively talking about the environment?
Or are actually just talking about protestors?
Political prisoners of an authoritarian state who abuse basic human rights.
Are you for real?
@Tiger You wouldn't know what basic human rights are. You haven't a clue.😊
@@brendasg155what part of that are you not seeing? A law was made in direct response to previous peaceful protests by JSO. This law being a direct breach of our human right to protest (peacefully), as has been acknowledged internationally and by the UN. Why was the law rushed in? Nothing to do with wealthy party sponsors and pressure groups I expect.
Try looking a little deeper than the Daily Mail
Precisely it's one rule for the mps and another rule for everyone else
[6:57] _"I want you to come at it like that...:_
In other words, he wants you to frame your answer in the context of the assumption that "life on Earth is doomed."
• Then, for the sake of balance and in the interest of intellectual honesty, frame your answer in the context of the assumption is wrong and life on Earth is not doomed.