Eddie McGuire gets fired up over the Tassie stadium protests - Footy Classified | Footy on Nine
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2023
- A campaign against the construction of a new stadium has gathered momentum in Tasmania, and Footy Classified's Eddie McGuire says the state should decide whether it wants a team or not.
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Tim Lane has spent 40 years campaigning for Tasmania to get a team, but is now trying to blow it up. 🤡
It is because they needed to do it instead of GWS. It is just hard to see when and now GWS will be a success.
Footy in Tassie is almost dead. The clubs down there are getting smaller or shutting down, soccer and moreso basketball are taking over. It is what happens when you take for granted what you have.
They missed the tassie boat.
@@tin-n-tan basketball is doing well because they actually have a team.. if there was a footy team there I’m certain it will be the most popular sport in the state.
@@adamh8517 It would be, again, my point is more so that the business case for this makes no sense. It is nonsensical. Everyone who has seen the numbers says they don't add up.
So it is understandable that there are a lot of people who are saying, "inflation is out of control, our states are all in massive debt, hospitals and schools are closing and we need to sink $750m into a stadium that will cost $1.5 by the time it is done.
This, "it needs to have a roof", stuff is nonsense. Tasmanian can sit in the cold and watch footy like they, and everyone else did for 150 years. There are also some good ways to build wind breakers and roofing for spectators without going nuts with a full roof.
I don't think he is trying to blow it up. He is trying to get the Melbourne-centric AFL to try to understand how Tasmanian politics works because if they take the Eddie McGuire approach you can say goodbye to the Tasmanian team.
@@lostjackets4006 Eddie is hard to watch.
I am a Tasmanian and Jacqui Lambie does not speak for me.
same for all of that
im with ya mate
She is an embarrassment
I gather most Tasmanians want the team and a new stadium. Politicians see an opportunity to stand up and get attention, then the media obliges and throws things out of proportion. It's sick.
@studon3770 yea its just the people who have no idea about the afl see on pulse hobart that it might take money from the hospital syatem and they get skitz about it when they have no idea how much money it will make the state in future
As a West Australian I can confirm Optus Stadium is the greatest thing to ever happen to our State.
Agree, but it took them 25 years of talk to get it up and running
@@jeffd05defive57 and massively over budget. If you're using that as an example you're arguing against a stadium in tassie 👍
No federal money was offered to WA , we payed for it , so why does Hobart get Federal money
Same for us in adelaide with AO and it costs half what optus does. And tassies is gonna be better then AO too id be grateful if I was in tassie
The AFL Pays NO TAX they are a Non-For Profit who enjoys Tax Exempt Status. They sell their TV Rights for hundreds of millions of dollars a year. The AFL can easily afford to pay for this new Stadium. The Tasmanian Taxpayer cannot. There are already two perfectly good stadiums in Tasmania that have AFL approval for AFL Matches until the end of 2025.
Those stadiums are for boomers
It's called running a successful sports organisation.
"Perfectly good stadiums" LOL. Bush league.
Don't forget all them Gambling Dollars 🤷
AFL approval doesn't equate to AFL standard, York Park can be upgraded to AFL standard, which is the plan but no chance for Blundstone arena. I think you're also over-estimating how much money the league has and under-estimating how much is spent. Admittedly, I only have surface level knowledge myself but for instance, It was something around 340m went back to the clubs last year alone. I could be wrong though.
When this stadium goes OVER BUDGET you're going to have RIOTS in Tassie.
Sydney Opera House went over budget. The Danish architect left in protest and never returned because they short changed his design - completed the external façade but short changed the inside design and left terrible acoustics that made it effectively an awful music venue for decades. They fixed it about 10 years ago at a huge additional cost and finally did it justice. Whole saga is embarrassing looking back now seeing how symbolic that venue has become.
Moral of the story - yes it will be expensive, but these things actually show a city/state actually has vision, inspires to be something. Is willing to take risk.
All these protesters are so lame - if they were in charge, nothing exciting would ever get done and you'd end up with...well what Tasmania is right now, a pretty plain, boring, predictable place.
5 people and 10 heads is not a riot, it's barely a rabble
Engineers who have looked at the plans say that they're undervaluing the cost of the new stadium by about half a billion.
The Bridgewater bridge will go over budget ?? Will they riot over that ?
Eddie is spot on with this, the AFL is trying to avoid a Brisbane Bears debacle from the 80's down in Tasmania. AFL teams are a serious commercial venture and need the infrastructure to support it. It has been pretty clear that a stadium was going to be part of the package for the past coupleofyears. If they don't want the stadium, then stop asking for a team. Put another team in WA or SA.
The Brisbane Bears won 6 Games in Season 1, 7 Games in Season 2, and 8 games in Season 3. Compare that with the GWS who were set up over a much longer period of time who Won 3 matches out of their first 44 Matches. Then there is the Suns they won only 6 matches in their first 2 seasons and have never ever made the Finals. If Tasmania were set up in under 5 months like the Bears were and they could win 6 matches in their first season that would be a Fantastic result. For both the AFL as well as Tasmanian Football.
@@banliveexport325 The Bears were in a much less competitive league compared to what GWS & the Suns joined. I would also point out that GWS made the finals 4 times, including the 2019 grand final. The Bears struggled to keep their players and supporters and were a financial basket case for years that played the Sunday arvo bracket. I think Tasmania deserves better and could be another West Coast Eagles or Adelaide Crows type of franchise. This is what Mc Guire is trying to advocate.
Oh yeah dude bears debacle. But what about the sun's and giants debacles. Come on bro TAS is a football state. Maguire is a bragger.
@@paulkyriakopoulos3444 Exactly the Bears won 21 matches in their first 3 seasons. The Bears were a Success Story in comparison with the GWS and Gold Coast. Also, the Bears made the Finals two times in 10 years before they took over Fitzroy. The Suns are 0 from 13 attempts.
@@stewartgardiner9792 The Bears got less support from the AFL than the GWS and Suns did. The Bears were competitive winning 21 games in their first 3 seasons. The AFL should set up Tasmania the same way they did the Bears give them nothing and force them to get good experienced players which will mean they will win 6 or 7 games in season one which would be the greatest thing that has ever happened to Tasmanian Football a competitive team in the AFL.
There's a large portion of the Tasmanian population that just say NO to any development. We can't get anything off the ground down here using public money unless it goes into the bottomless pit of healthcare and housing (which we already spend A LOT on). They're far too short sighted to realise that a small, isolated state like ours needs economic development and a reason for young families and workers to live here instead of moving to the mainland. We need this project, and not just to get an AFL team. A heck of a lot of people down here want the stadium but it's the complainers and protestors that make all the noise. Bogan Lambie doesn't speak for everyone!
I grew up in the state, in Launceston. Victorians think South Australians are backward? They ain't experienced anything until they encounter Tasmanans. It's like it's just the cool and trendy thing to do down there, to just irrationally oppose anything that's positive progress. NIMBY's are usually very uninteresting people who lack excitement in their lives, so they need to stir up some drama and chaos of their own just to get the rush. And Tasmanians wonder why they keep getting excluded so often.
This stadium provides an oppurtunity to perhaps get a tram line running up and down the western shore. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the proposal will just be swiftly shot down by the same NIMBY's who are opposing the stadium.
Is the public toilets in tassie
Just a thought, the year they introduce the new team to Tasmania, they should host gather round. It would bring people to the state, and it would mean there’s a use for those other grounds like Blundstone.
If they can't agree to a new stadium, then there is no chance they want thousands of AFL fans invading their sleepy hollow.
That’s a great idea actually because then the tassie government will make a lot of money back from the investment
To be fair to the protesters, they've been opposing a stadium for some time and have been pushing to have a team but have been saying a stadium isn't necessary for that.
Thats a different debate, but I don't think it's fair of the panel to suggest that these protesters are only coming out of the woodwork once the announcement has been made.
I think you'd find that most of those protesters are just very boring people. As you can see, most of them range from middle aged to elderly. I highly doubt that even the footy followers among them (the old rusted-on fans of other clubs) have been rooting for the state to be granted a new local club of its own. Which is fine. They don't have to change allegiancies if they don't want to. But they're less influential than they think they are. Most of these people lack excitement in their lives, and this drama where they have something to complain about, provides the exact stimulation they need in order to feel alive.
The public both in Tasmania and Melbourne has had enough of the AFL paying no tax and being given million in corporate welfare. The AFL Needs to pay for this Stadium. Or play in the two that currently host both AFL and International Cricket.
1. People in Melbourne don't really care, you might find a handful.
2. The stadiums you mentioned are ordinary.
3. Not paying tax is nothing new for a sports league, it happens all around the world, go see how much tax the NFL pays.
4. You either want a team or not - it's going to come with a Stadium
Spend money like Adelaide and wce
6 people care about tassie
Tasmania can either build the stadium and progress as a society or stay behind in every measure behind the mainland states
A sporting stadium isn’t progress. It’s a welfare handout to big business.
They have two stadiums already. Renovate them.
The AFL are hoping the deal falls over.
@@dhenderson1810 Those are more ovals then stadiums. 😂
@@Harry.89 Hwy, they were good enough to have AFL games there, for premiership points, over the years.
Renovate those, and get them up to AFL standard.
Do you think that if the AFL had succeeded in relocating North Melbourne to Tasmania, which they wanted to do, that they would have demanded a new stadium? No, North would have just played all their home games at Bellerive.
I suspect that the AFL demanded a stadium, so that it would fail to get up, and then they wouldn't have a team. The AFL have set them up to fail. If they wanted Tassie in, it would have happened before now.
The AFL wants Tassie to fall over, because they ultimately want to move North Melbourne there and have them as the Tassie team, keeping it at 18 teams.
@@Harry.89 old York park is best surface in the country mate and they should be redeveloping it for a 3rd the price of a new stadium. It already seats 20k it only needs 5k more capacity. Simple really
As a Tasmanian I am devastated that there is a great chance we will lose something which I have dreamt of since I was a kid. Too many sheep these days who hear one thing and follow it
Like Yakky 🐑
GF..... Ya'll are the sheep who want this. Ya'll are the ones who succumb to mainland greed. We already have that ugly Crown hotel and many mainland stores, that we don't even need.
I see some people saying "it's the rich that don't want it either"
Also big fat BS.....
It's the rich we're all trying to keep happy. That's why there is poverty and prices are rising.
This who idea is dumb and ya'll are falling for it
This will ruin Tasmania. But, go right ahead. Be the burden of society as we know it as it is now........!!!
Bloody Hippies down in Tassie
You need to evolve
Take it to a vote Tasmania and Mr Rockliff.
During a cost of living crisis, there are hundreds of better things the government could be spending money on than a stadium. The cost of living crisis wasn’t really a crisis 3 yrs ago, but it is now, times have changed and as much as I love the AFL, I think the push back is warranted… especially with the state already having two stadiums which could potentially be redeveloped.
This doesn’t mean the stadium never happens, but maybe it can happen down the road when people aren’t struggling as much
So you don’t think the Tasmanians could use the thousands of extra jobs?
@@zaydevans2077 Most of the jobs won't go to local Tasmanians. Its a corporate business.
@Talia Mason my understanding is with construction contracts are that there will be a minimum employment required for both Tasmanian and homelessness ie: 50% and 10%.
If the Feds & States weren't stealing everyone's money, there wouldn't be a Cost of Living Crisis
but hey, we are now a Dumbmocracy (turning into an Idiocracy) so the Country get's what it deserves
The stadium deal will go ahead but with no roof . Otherwise it will cost more . The big mouth Maguire is just stirring up people.
Eddie you are spot on for years i have been hearing Tasmania needs a team and now they don;t want it..
Spot on Eddie
I emailed Jacque at least 4 times regarding the homeless crisis before the last election. Not once did she reply or address it . She didn’t care, now she does ??
No doubt your email was critical to solving the crisis champ. LOL
@@paulmatters2641
Meaning what champ ??
@@johnauksorius9474 Meaning your email was and is irrelevant. If you did actually send it. Which i doubt.
@@paulmatters2641 You're being ignorant. Everone knows once the stadium is here the homeless are going to pick themselves up from their bootstraps and strive to become a forward pocket to the local team. That will bring them out of poverty and make them worthy in the eyes of Eddie and Rocky 👍
@@bigheif I know one moron who made a fortune from just talking BS about footy. Eddie Maguire. So why not?
They're right to posture for the compromise of getting more guaranteed funding for essential services and housing. Albanese gov needs to dramatically increase spending for the most vulnerable infrastructure
All spoken by people with comfortable homes and jobs who don’t live here. I’m all for the footy team always have been but most Tasmanians have given up over a decade ago and we have seen this so called “boost” that afl brings with the hawks and Roos deals keeps the rich getting richer and the divide doesn’t close at all so that’s why we are seeing this. Eddie clearly has too many eggs in this basket. I’m all for it but I also feel everyone’s pain down here we aren’t screaming for the afl team we are screaming for the basics down here and all our politicians want to talk about is something that won’t come until 2028. Compassion and empathy goes a long way boys maybe come down for a visit and ask the people yourself? Couple billion dollars at stake Eddie? I get what you say but you have no clue mr Victoria
Well said mate I am going to read your comment on my channel. The way the AFL is treating Tasmania is Disgraceful.
@@FeminismDebunked thanks mate usually stay out of these political debates with footballers but they just don’t understand how much effect it has on a small pop community like ours as much as they compare it to Geelong etc it’s a unique place with unique problems. Good hard working honest people slog away for most of their lives paying the very taxes that will fund this project are now living out of car boots and worse so would be nice for the footy world and it’s “personalities” to press the politicians on that as well as a team instead of treating us like whiners. How are GWS and Goldie going? Could have had an established and already paid for tassie team instead but oh well let’s wait until the state is at its breaking point haha
Better yet Eddie can give me a job on the panel squeeze Lordo or Bartel out they’ve got other gigs at least help combat the unemployment down here and I’ll actually have something to offer and say that isn’t a sound byte haha No honesty doesn’t equal profit so never happen lol I am an Eddie fan for the record this time he’s out of place and pocket
Have you ever wondered why young people leave Tasmania for the mainland?
It is for this exact reason, they see the close mindedness, the unwillingness to build for the future, the big NIMBY.
If you want to block it, that is fine, enjoy your backwater where people will continue to live in poverty and nothing will change, just get worse.
Build the stadium and things will change dramatically, light rail becomes economically viable, opening up of new industry, more cash will be available with the AFL putting in 350m for a football academy.
But you can't see that and like living in the past.
Now, the state government can't force councils to change their ways, but it is the councils that have caused the homelessness problem, not LNP, ALP.
Guess who is on most councils these days? Yep you guess right the Greens.
@@chasindigo you must be related to Eric hahaha
Tasmania and ACT have similar populations.
Would you build a Billion dollar stadium there in Canberra?
They would just upgrade Manika as there isn't the council restrictions, transport chaos etc.
Blundstone is in a NIMBY council, it is impossible to upgrade.
ACT doesn't follow footy
Yes, that is literally a proposal currently being considered.
Google 'Civic Stadium'
They don't have an fixed Canberra Team at the AFL..
Plan B for AFL in Tasmania is for the Tasmanian Taxpayer to donate millions of dollars to Hawthorn and North Melbourne to play a handful of junk matches against smaller teams like the Gold Coast and GWS. Labor and the LNP needs to take the NTH and Hawks getting millions of Dollars off the Taxpayer off the table. Plan A is a Tasmanian AFL Team. Plan B is for the NBL, Soccer, and NRL to take over from the AFL as the Number 1 sport in Tasmania.
What a joke. Done any analysis of the economic return for tourism from the Haw and North games? And as for the NBL. A League and NRL...HA HA HA HA. NFI, absolute NFI
@@TheJonkerr7he was being sarcastic bro
Taxpayers paying for Stadiums is Corporate Welfare and the vast majority of the Public do not agree with it. Public Housing is needed in Tasmania not a 3rd Stadium.
Unfortunatly the majority of the public vote Labor/Lib who are both corpprate wellfare parties so i'm not so sure most people don't agree with it
AFL is not for profit.
It is investment not welfare.
A hospital is a money sink, it doesn't turn a profit.
A stadium is a money maker, it brings new people to the state to spend their hard earned.
Can't upgrade Blundstone, it is trapped in a residential area.
You build the stadium, you have enough cash to build the hospital in due course.
@@chasindigo that is all correct, problem is their is no business case where this makes money.
AFL supports grass roots footy. They also support the talent pathways. They also now have womens footy (which itself loses money however it does grow grass roots and has seen more women supporters enter the AFL as paid customers). The current players want a pay rise, plus the clubs want the coaches cap to be raised. GWS and GCS are nowhere. North is in a spiral.
They completely bottled this by not doing Tassie 15 years ago. GWS, lol.
Tasmania needs more of alot of things with a small income & limited or non existent industries / workplaces etc... it's a picturesque place but the state is like a rural town in the 90s in alot of ways aswell
Polls show 68% of Tasmanians don't want the stadium.
What percentage want the team?
4:37 "it was proposing a 4 month time line for Tasmanian's to get their 'heads' around it" - never a truer non-intentional burn has ever been spoken.
Oh you beat me to it lol
The AFL has sold the TV rights for $3 million a match or $643 Million a Year. It is the job of the AFL to build the AFL to build AFL Stadiums not the Taxpayer. What Eddie is demanding is Corporate Welfare.
Fine. Then Tasmania doesn't get a team. We can all move on.
That would be well and good if it were just being built for AFL, but thats just not true, its being built for Tasmania. Its being built for cricket, its being built for concerts, its being build for any number of things that will continue to bring people and money into the state for years to come, but who can realistically expect the greens to look further into the future than the next election
The concert argument is fallacious. There's a difference between a stadium in Perth, a city of 2m that is 4 hours closer to Europe, South East Asia etc and a city of 200k that's only an hour from Melbourne.
@@devilgamer1998 The Perth and Adelaide Stadiums that were also paid for with Taxpayers money HAVE no A-League Teams playing their the Perth Glory and Adelaide United chose to not play there. WHY because its an AFL Stadium which is too big for Soccer. NO NRL is played at either Stadium either. No NRL or Soccer will be played at the Tassie Taxpayer funded stadium either.
@@simonliptack6961 but they are much bigger cities. They can also use them for cricket, concerts, etc.
I worked in tourism for years, so many people travel each year for the footy. Adelaide and Perth will get this, with Ashes cricket, footy, etc.
7:48 "alright eddie calm your farm" sounded so passive aggressive 😆 Glad eddie put her in her place. Hes actually talking sense.
I disagree, Eddy is losing the plot making everything about him and who he knows. Hes becoming like the Robbo of Channel 9
Eddie didnt like that one bit. I reckon she'll be getting a memo for sure.
@tubester4567 what part of what he said mentioned anything about himself?
@@TONY_FEZ She will be getting standing ovations from Chompers.
@@1refi exactly. Eddie can be peanut I get it but here hes actually right. This woman wouldn't have a clue.
This is incredibly short sighted by these Tasmanian people. Tassie have been fighting tooth and nail for years to get a team, then this! What a shambles! To get an idea of a project like this, I advise Tassie people to look into the Adelaide Oval redevelopment. People were going off their chops about it for whatever reason they could find. But the long term vision of it paid dividends, and I think that's what Tassie really need to do here. The result of this would be unbelievable, it could make Tassie an absolute destination for so many sports fans, hospitality sector would be pumping. I mean C'mon people! That would provide so much economy for the state, stadium could be multi-use and as far as the funding shows the Launceston Stadium also gets upgraded? I just think the project has so fricken much promise and then you have people protesting. Long term vision!! Adelaide Oval and Optus Stadium people, there's your blueprint. Adelaide and Perth world-class venues because of them... Eddie is absolutely bang on the money with his assessment no doubt.
Minority voice being louder then the majority again.
Again a stupid ignorant inconsistent comment from McGuire. A snapshot:
The Tasmanians want rocks thrown at them for not having a stadium
No clubs want it
Called Vic a rust bucket in the 90"s ( bet never said that in the 90's = the AFL)
Wants it to host concerts like Cold Play. ( not sure that will happen in a 24000 saft stadium)
Was it Tim Lane that refused to work with Tim ?
Never known unity ?
As Eddi wants .......If I was the AFL I would get rid of Victorian teams.
It is bribery to get them.
Appalling !
Oh , so it’s ok for AFL games to have been played at Aurora Stadium and Blundstones Arena for the last couple of decades, but now that we are getting a team we have to build a stadium? Why then are games being played in Ballarat, Mt. Barker, Darwin, Alice Springs etc?
That's a pretty stupid comparison considering no full time team plays at those venues. If you wnat a team to be sustainable you need the people attending and you need the infrastructure. I guarantee the Tasmania government probably spends way more money on worse things. In the grand scheme of things the proposed money from the tassie government isn't that much.
@@LAT04 North Melbourne and Hawthorn play over a third of their games over in Tasmania. So both existing Stadiums over there are essentially second home grounds for them. It therefore begs the logical question why not just upgrade either one of those Stadiums especially in these very trying high inflation rate times we live in. It is considerably cheaper and far more economically efficient than just building new Stadium.
So at Blundstone, you have one food outlet, no toilets on the hill, a council restriction on noise, only 12k can fit (which isn't enough to make any money per game) for a full time team.
They need to have 20k essentially every second week.
If you don't want the new stadium, that is fine, the team won't play in Hobart and Hobart can just die economically.
York Park with the upgrade will be big enough to house the Tassie team and the academy and all the trimmings, suck it Hobart you had your chance.
@Talia Mason Yeah but both hawthorn and North Melbourne get funding to play at those two areas. It is not the same as a full time time. I do agree the stadium revamp will be cheaper but it's not exactly future proofing the team. This needs to be a long term strategy not just a short term high inflation strategy.
I think many southern Tasmanians would be more than happy to have matches held at an upgraded UTAS Stadium rather than having a new stadium built at Macquarie Point . It makes more sense because it means that the people from the North West will be better catered for.
The AFL sells its TV Rights for $4.5 Billion or $643 Million a Year then expects the Taxpayer to pay for all the Stadiums and it's the Tasmanians who are being unreasonable. Eddie got Olympic Park and the Glass House for Free then got the Taxpayer to build all of Collingwood's Facilities. Eddie is the Corporate Welfare King.
You may no realise this. But the afl pays taxes. All income and expenditure is taxed... so essentially theyd be paying for their own stuff
@@DW-rs1pr No actually not, the afl had a special ruling with the ATO which found that they didnt need to pay taxes on their profit.
@@sebastiandalpozzo5362 That's ridiculous and completely unfair in every sense of the word if that is the case.
privatise the profits, use public funds for expenses. what a great business model
@@sebastiandalpozzo5362 oh really? what rule? Where can I find this? Nevertheless. All expenses would pay gst and all income from everyone employed by the afl and its associates would pay income tax
Eddie is so true with everything he said here. Embracing change is the start as sport is one of the main pinnacles at makes Australia so great.
Seriously why in the world is a new Stadium such a necessity to begin when two of them already exist and it would be considerably cheaper and far more economically efficient especially in very trying high inflation rate times to just upgrade either one of the two existing Stadiums.
The existing stadiums are a joke and not fit for purpose
@@frasermartin7108 Hence why you simply just upgrade them. That is literally what most clubs big and small have been doing in elite sport in recent years because it is considerably cheaper and far more economically efficient. Look at Liverpool and what FSG (their Owners) have done to upgrade Anfield for the last 5 years instead of just building blindly building a new Stadium like Merseyside rivals Everton did.
@@taliamason7986 can't upgrade Blundstone without kicking out the local residents.
@@taliamason7986 hahah are you seriously comparing Bellerive to Anfield. A renovation of Bellerive would involve completely levelling the stadium and building a new one, which may be very slightly cheaper than the current proposal; however the local residents are against it. Tasmanian people want all the free handouts but won’t put their hands into their pockets when required. NSW and Qld were required to build or heavily renovate (effectively rebuild Metricon from scratch) for GWS and GC to join what makes Tasmania so special? I hope the team gets cancelled this is becoming a joke.
@@frasermartin7108 Tasmania doesn't have any near as big a budget nor generate anywhere near as much profit as New South Wales or Queensland. That is why both those states can easily bring in the likes of Central Coast Mariners (formally North Queensland Fury), Western Sydney Wanderers, Macarthur FC, Greater Sydney Giants, Gold Coast Titans, Gold Coast Suns and most recently the Dolphins without much risk and pretty much 100% gaurentee on yearly profit. NSW alone could easily build a grade 1 Formula-One circuit to rival Albert Park if they really wanted to. Such is the kind of money they process.
Why is this a bad idea? Isnt it just an investment.. people might actually want to to go visit tassie now
Believe it or not Eddie, for some people, football is not ‘the answer’ and foundation of a successful state. I’m not one of them but just saying.
why doesn't anyone bother to ask Gill why we have to build a new stadium to get in? we have 2 already that hold afl games why can't we just rennovate one instead? why doesn't anyone ask him?
Can't renovate Blundstone without kicking people out of their homes, kicking the NIMBY council restrictions to the curb on sound, light etc.
Yes York Park can be upgraded as it is in a paddock and there is plenty of space.
The AFL wanted Tassie to unite under a team but if Hobart doesn't want it, then well they can just go get stuffed and it can die economically.
It will be the Launceston team instead.
Gotta deal with realities. To make this team successful given the lower population base, and location, you need to maximise attendance, and entice players to move and stay there. Shitty conditions for training and playing and watching don't help that. Gotta give the team the best possible opportunity for success. Not half-ass it.
Eddie you're wrong about the employment. The unemployed won't be hired for this project. It'll come from labour from the mainland.
The issue people have is
1) the amount fo momey being spent. $750 Million at the current budget, this will be blown out by the end. AFL then gets to claim huge amounts from the developers if behind schedule, this is not no and is common but the current timeframes are just beyond ridiculous and very unlikely to be met.
2) the dictation that the AFL has had in all of this. The AFL is contributing a grand total of 15 Million to this project (something like 1.5% of the budget). they also get paid 12 million yearly for the next 10 years by the Tasmanian government to keep the team. If the team doesn't preform the AFL gets to rip up the contract with no notice. Who in their right mind thinks that this is a good deal? They put in the lest and reap the most from this project.
3) social issues in the community. There's better programs that this money could be spent on. The entire states medical facilities are in need of upgrade. The Launceston Hospital doesn't even have a helipad and is the biggest hospital in the north..
4) the existing facilities. The current Belerive stadium has a seating capacity of 24.000. the new stadium is proposed to have 27,000. a grand total increase of 3,00 seats. If the state and federal governments were serious about the team they should be looking at negosiating with the AFL about splitting the mney and upgrading the current fields in the south and the north. Doing this will increase ticket sales with teams being able to play in both areas and increasing the crowds likely to turn up to a game.
5) location. The Mac point location is going to be an abolsute nightmare during game times. Currently the traffic backs up well past this point and across the bridge most afternoons, what do you think another 10,000 people is going to be like with locals traveling to see any games/events?
Honestly, if the AFL was so concerned out the team falling over they should do a 5 year test run using the current facilities. Test the waters in those five years to see if the team is viable and would be able to stand afterwards. After those five years the state and federal governments could then look at building a new stadium possibly out at Glenorchy (where the Jack jumpers/grey hounds are) or near the airport.
Totally unjustified with folks on the streets. The AFL is a corporate game if they go down this path.
Thanks Eddie, so glad you understand the plight of the everyday Tasmanian in your ivory tower.
When is the MCG getting a roof? Considering that is now a requirement by the AFL?
Exactly. It requires a roof? The condition of granting a team is a new stadium? You have to be kidding. I can see why public are weary of the cost of this. Perhaps spend a smaller portion of money upgrading existing stadiums- have they not hosted afl matches there before?
AFL puts up $15 million out of 750million.
Tasmania should have two teams for the rivalry
Makes sense. I don't see how we can have an odd number of teams. Will one team not play each round?
One for each head to support
If they don’t want a team after screaming for one for decades pull out of the deal and work with the Northern Territory and give them a team, stadium and some much needed infrastructure up there like hospitals and universities. And Tasmania can wait another several decades before a team down there is entertained. What a wasted opportunity to lift up that state. Love Tassie, love the people but it seems like they are only happy when fighting/railing against something.
And those politicians know it, hate, anger and outrage get people going a lot more than unity. Pull the pin on it, ungrateful flogs.
Tasmania wants a team. Tasmania don't have a billion dollars for a stadium.
@@chrisharrington2766well you cant have one without the other so kiss the proposed funding goodbye as well as a team
No one has done a very good job of explaining what the problems would be if a Tasmanian team was created and the AFL's money was just spent upgrading one of the existing Tasmanian grounds.
ahh but here's the fun thing Andrew. the AFL only has 15 Million invested in this so it's not thier money that's being invested.
Eddie cant stand Tim Lane. It goes back to when Lane said he could commentate with Eddie due to Ed's Collingwood bias as club Pres.
Tim Lane is just as biased if not more so when Carlton are playing. He just wanted attention
Go blues......ha ha Tim lane flog
Anyone would think that Eddie is the GM of the AFL the way he uses this soapbox for footy issues
He’s on a show about footy, do you expect him to talk about knitting?
@@Venciferus you can talk footy sure but litigating a case in the arena of public opinion on behalf of the AFL is a different thing, If you cant tell that he is using the platform to drive the AFL's narrative and position in the media then i will never convince you,
Maybe the afl should fund the stadium themselves...
problem solved.
You cannot magically create skilled labour locally for these new jobs.
Skilled labour will be fly in/ fly out, so accomodation becomes an issue.
more homelessness yay
@@cliffbooth4826 Be glad you don't live in Melbourne where we have a miniature skid row, it's called Flinders st. Thanks Labor
Considering the Commercial deals and the 65 odd percent revenue the AFL keeps they should be funding ATLEAST half the stadium. Tazzy has way bigger problems trying to house the homeless than paying for a new stadium
The homelessness is a result of councils being nimbys, they need to grow up and accept that development is necessary.
@Chas Abetz how are homeless people going to afford property genius?
@@chasindigo Development is one of the biggest reasons why the homeless rate has gone up.
@@taliamason7986 No it isn't
Go Develop Property & tell me how you go
@@andrewkerr5296 It is because it literally locks out a large portion of the lower class, most young adults low income earners generally speaking and forces them into the rental market for a very long period.
Jacqui Lambi is unhappy with the size of the package on offer.
Tassie’s about to fumble the bag 🤦🏻♂️😢
Unfortunately it's the same drop kicks who said no to gondolas as a tourist attraction in Hobart. Some locals can't take the blinkers off to see the big picture regardless of being a football fan or not.
Eddie should be thanking Lambie. Almost makes him look sane after this tear up.
If the Government pays for it, what do the AFL get out of it?
$$$$$$$
Should just move North Melbourne to Tassie instead of creating a whole new team and diluting the talent pool even more
No
Tassie cried that they didn't want North. They want their own Tassie team. Well it comes with a Stadium 🤷
Calm your farm!
Lol, what a gem.
Ahh another weekly Wednesday night episode of Eddie McGuire’s soapbox, where Eddie invites 3 men to sit and listen to him editorialise, preach and generally blow-up about every little thing on his mind. Painful to sit and watch this. Monday night's FC s excellent, but Wed nights are a joke.
The media, and journalists in general, need to take a hard look at themselves. How do they sleep at night? Revulting humans, preying off of the misfortunes of others. The way that they put people to the sword, they wouldn't last 5 minutes under the same pressure.
The location of the stadium (Macquarie point ) is part of the problem. Locals remember a truck rolling over on the Tasman Bridge causing its closure, which gridlocked Hobart for over 3 hours . Lots of people/companies have been eyeing off the land for over a decade, remember someone offering to build a billion dollar hospital if they could get surrounding land. Then there is the Cenotaph.
The location only popped up as Gutwein was leaving office, first the regatta ground, now Mac Point. Prime bit of water front real estate next to the CBD, who wouldnt want to control it, whilst getting the taxpayer to remediate the land.
Let the AFL use some of their $4.5 Billion they sold the TV Rights for to pay for this over-the-top Stadium. There is NO NRL Stadium with a Roof, there is no roofed Football Stadiums in NSW, QLD, WA, SA, ACT, Darwin yet all of these States host AFL Matches. The AFL has lost the respect of the Tasmanian AFL Public.
I don’t often agree with Eddie McGuire but he is absolutely spot on.
Hang on Eddie, 2000 people showed up to Parliament to protest. That is there right. 500,000 people live in Tasmania, most of which support the stadium and team. Why does the media listen so much to the minority, and politicians use this to leverage their own status.
As a Tasmanian who was living in the Gold Coast for the last 16years, and watched the Suns face the same protest only to be a fantastic infrastructure build for the GC and Australia, now is the time for media to support the majority of the Tasmanian people who want this for our state, peace out mic drop.
their right, woops
Aukus agreement $368bn / Brisbane Olympic Games 3.6bn / Tassie team 750m this is peanuts
I have a feeling that this will end in tears 😭 as the Labor/Greens will get in at the next state election 🗳️ in Tasmania and blow the whole thing up and they will NEVER have a team and might as well merge and become part of New Zealand 🇳🇿!!!
Become part of NZ? You mean we'd have a government that worries about social equality, listens to experts on Climate Change and Covid policy? Please keep going, I'm almost there!! 😉
Should build one in the NT🎉
A new AFL stadium, walking distance from another, with only 3k more capacity and likely no roof - for what will inevitably balloon out to more than $1 billion - is a mind bogglingly stupid proposal in the poorest state in Australia. The AFL holding an entire state to ransom to satisfy just a few big club presidents when their own seminal report backing a Tassie team's viability made no mention of a need for one - and likely had majority club support already - is an act of hubris, arrogance and ego unmatched in Australian sporting history. I can't quite figure out what's worse: Gillon McLachlan demanding the state pay the community-crippling opportunity cost of poorer government essential services and infrastructure thanks to public money being tied up in an unnecessary white elephant. Or, the federal and Tasmanian governments not standing up for themselves and pushing back on an a small, egomaniacal group of sporting powerbrokers with undue, corrupt influence.
Tasmania has the tightest rental market in the country. The most limited revenue base with an aging population. A health system stretched almost beyond repair.
Clearly, many others in this comment section just can't move beyond their long-held dream of a Tassie toward the bigger picture
As a Tasmanian living overseas, sad to see this opposition. Heaps of Tassie want it. If they blow this they lose more money than the cost of the stadium. Eddie is spot on. Some of the best AFL players of all time have come from Tassie.
People have no idea what they want. You could plant a money tree, that grows free money, and brings tourists, and people will cry.
Big eddy was on lock it in 😂
The approval of this stadium is down right inhumane ! People unable to get housing, food or heating and THEY want to dump this on us ! Politics is called a "Party" for a reason. You and me are not invited LOl!
Why can’t they upgrade Blundstone instead of getting an entirely new stadium?
Can't believe tassie went to all that trouble just to mess it up. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.
It was a couple thousand people, they don’t represent the 500k population of Tassie. Always the vocal minority making the headlines and stirring the pot.
Storm in a teacup I reckon, but if they want to be sure about it they should hold a survey for all residents of Tassie. My guess would be an overwhelming positive vote
@@butchcassidy7289 It is the majority of the Tasmania people because there are much much more pressing things over there that need to addressed such as the public housing crisis.
Tassie sucks anyway all the people there r weird asf
@@taliamason7986 Really? You went and asked every single one? Ok no worries, you've now convinced me
I'd also be interested to know how many of those at the rally actually follow AFL, can you please ask them and let me know, many thanks
looking forward to the new urban redevelopment and noticed the protesters are only concentrating on afl stadium and not that it's a general purpose stadium
Spot on with this. Either Tassie is on board with the AFL model, or don't bother, and AFL in Tassie is finished for good.
Agree, we don't want it so bye AFL. Much better things to spend our money on
No stadium no team is the rule in every major sports league on this earth. Tasmania needs to put up or shut up!
Ed, which federal seat would you want to run in? I’d move & join the campaign team…
Jackie is a real piece of.. work..
Yeah - but really - AFL?? without all states involved? Perhaps its the AAFL ( Almost Australian Football League ). Tassie should have been involved before the extra teams from non AFL states
Still same issue would have arised regardless of when it came along.
Absolutely correct dude 100% .
Tasmania should have had a team years ago.
It's ridiculous that Gold Coast and Western Sydney got a team before them. They are a football state.
Frankly, I think that Hobart could use a spanking big new waterfront development with a sports stadium - but the team should never have been made conditional on a new stadium.
Its about now eddie , you wouldnt know what hard is eddie
I bet that protester is also a right wing cooker
Just because there is a loud voice or two does not mean they speak for Tasmanians; just a squeaky wheel or two.
If Tassie don't want a new stadium, why ram it down their throat?
Aussie rules is going backwards anyway. The game will look completely different in 20 years due to the way we view concussion. Not really fair on a team that will enter the competition in 4 years.
It's a risky and hopeful move as it is. $700M+ is a lot of money to throw at something that may or may not work out as the AFL has envisioned.
Lol what a load of dribble! The game is going nowhere it has stood the test of time & will continue to do so! Go enjoy your 10k crowds at your soccer or NRL games whilst AFL crowds hit 90k+ & continually grow and break new records
@@TopShelfOzzie It isn't a load of dribble at all. Many many parents in this country are beginning to have second thoughts about letting their kids play footy since the concussion lawsuit was reported a few months back. That means grass roots level in the future could be seriously impacted and therefore the future of the AFL will also be heavily impacted.
@@taliamason7986it won't be impacted at all.
Has the concussion issues in the NFL killed their sport?
We are years behind everyone else and concussion in contact sport might be a talking point now but we are 5-8 years behind the global conversation and it won't effect grass roots in any meaningful way
Essendon and Collingwood just had the 2nd most attended H&A game ever this year. Game is thriving, at least for the bigger clubs.
"OMG how dare you try to prevent players from life altering brain damage!"
Exactly Eddie, DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
Tassie doesn't realise the impact that Gold Goast and GWS have had, and are still having on the competition. The AFL are trying to offset that inevitable financial burden as best they can with the stadium (which, from my understanding, the federal funding was contingent on), especially with there not being a 20th team at the moment (which, for what it's worth, I think there should have been in Northern Australia. Not sure which state/territory, perhaps play across all three and be based in one).
Gold Coast has had almost no impact at all for the 12 years they have in the competition. Exact same case as the Gold Coast Titans in the NRL. They basically only exist at this point for other clubs especially in Victoria to keep taking their best talent.
@@taliamason7986 I mean the impact financially. Both teams have had an enormous burden and still are having it, the AFL are trying to offset that as much as possible in the stadium and other infrastructure. But you're right Tassie will take a lot of talent too and the rest of the competition will suffer for a few years to come yet again.
Ed loves the sound of his own voice
They are spending like 700 million dollars on a new bridgewater bridge which is entirely pointless. Wnd no ones complaining sbout that.. a new stadium is like something the locals can look forward to. The blundstone arena was never a fit AFL stadium. Parking is Ass and driving through there is a pain in the Ass when 20,000 cars are parked on the side of the road.. and it's in the suburbs which is a strange location to have a stadium.
WHY is it taking 5 years to set up the Team? NO AFL, NRL, NBL, Rugby Union or BBL Team has ever taken 5 years.
WHY is Tasmania the ONLY team in VFL/AFL History that has been required get its Taxpayers to pay for a Roofed Stadium?
If a Roof is so important WHY did Collingwood chose to play their home matches at the MCG instead of the Roofed Marvel Stadium?
Because the current stadiums are either inadequate with no scope for further redevelopment due to the residential proximity.
@@AtTheDriveBy shhhh to much common sense hurts peoples brains
We'll take the money here in WA. A third side would go well here. If the third side was located in the South West, even better. Although they'd likely have the third side in Perth.
Either way, if Tasmania don't want the team, we'll take it.
Could probably send up the Tasmanian State League players (as that competition is no longer viable) to play the Eagles? Might be a closer game than Eagles vs bottom of the AFL ladder at least 👍
Er WA here , we recieved no money from the federal government to build Optus Stadium that Eddie is gushing over
No-one will benefit off the stadium more than the AFL. I think they could come to the party a bit more. But I'm not a Tasmanian and it doesnt affect me either way.
I won't be changing teams. As if we need an AFL team in Tasmania, seriously. How stupid.
Spot on Eddie. They don’t really know what they’re protesting about half of them, just see pickets and think I’ll take part sure.
Sorry to change the subject but Eddie mcguire would've done a crossover with channel seven channel nine and channel ten hosting bert newtons state funeral with andrew o keefe and rove mcmanus what do you think of that idea
I was told by an old man, "you can't be half pregnant, you are either pregnant or not, you can't be both"
Tasmanians and more so Hobartians absolutely hate change - from a long time resident of Hobart
Which is why I would rather spend money in a 3rd world country then ever fly to tassie
this topic is a white elephant story that has just been mobilised to cover the hawthorn scandal. no one wants a tassie team. this has all been a smoke screen, see how the plans are all in a mix because of the stadium that no one wants. the island has two afl ready grounds now. revamp them ? the idea was always for the team to come in to the comp, but a time frame was never set, despite an almost billion dollar price tag. who does business like that ?
Same thing just happened in Arizona. They’re going to lose the Coyotes (NHL hockey team) because people were convinced the taxes were going to be increased too much. When in reality, the arena would not have raised taxes and would have done so much for the community. Their loss I suppose, hopefully they move to Quebec City.
Do they have 2 other perfectly viable hockey stadiums already? I'm just trying to work out how your analogy fits this situation
@@bigheif There’s one, the one they used to play at. However, the city didn’t want them anymore because of disputes with the team.
@@westcoastflyers144 ahh OK cool thanks. Well we have 2 stadiums already, and we'd like a team. We'd just prefer that team to play at the existing stadium(s) 👍
Poor Tasmanians getting a new Stadium. What a tragedy!
We don't just get a new stadium... we have to pay for it... with an economy 1/14th the size of Victoria
God forbid you do something that could grow the economy you speak of. Maybe a stadium would do that, oh wait, no that means progress. Tassie can’t handle that. What shamble of a state
@@laurieaugimeri6192 A new stadium with only a few thousand more seats than the old stadium, isn't going to miraculously turn the Tasmanian economy around 😂.
@@RexColt Stadium(s). We have the infrastructure. These people pretend they know all about it then resort to "2 head" jokes when they are challenged.
Let them ride Eddie, they can do that over the Strait. We don't want it
How about a team in the Capital?? Canberra surely deserves a team?
Nah doubt that.
Move GWS there
Always a slanted viewpoint. I am amazed, with the amount of money the AFL have, and how much the AFL executive pay themselves, some other body has to build the playing areas for them. Leaches to something similar.
The bucks stops at the $$. One side stands to gain a lot. The other suffers. For one to gain another must lose. If you are on the gain side, which Eddie is albeit not from this project, you will support it. The more you look to this depth, the more you understand how this world works. And why all of that is about to change regardless what one might do in ignorance.
Once the tassie team is up and running, the state will be thrilled for it