For anyone having an issue where the mouse doesnt work, try launching the game as Admin! EDIT: I believe he has posted a new version - grandprix2.racing/file/misc/view/x86gp2
@@GPLaps Yeah i can right click, and setup the wheel and controls etc - just can't get left click to register on the ok button :( Left click works in the option screens too - will figure it out!
@@BigJuffer I am having the same issue. I can right click and setup all of the controls and things but when I try to click on the ok button nothing happens.
@@DEVILTAZ35yeah - it was a shame that it wasn’t released. It was about 2-3 months away. Studio was closed down. The end of the GP series with it. Really great to see it still being played today and the awesome support and interest of the community
In that case maybe you can let me know if my guess is correct. To my knowledge the physics engine was in big parts in assembler (I think I remember a Geoff crammond interview where he said it, but I do not remember which one, but I am inclined all of them were based on the original one) and that makes it so hard to port to other systems. Also a shame Xbox never made it. Sorry about all the work that did not pay of. Also would have been nice to have a stable gp4, it is so crash prone in modern windows :(
Wow, finally moving steering wheel and visible front tires! It's the only thing that was missing in GP2, a true milestone of sim racing. This mod seems to bring GP2 back to life and show it was and still is a really great game! So many memories and so many hours spent playing it, thanks for the video I think I will install this and re-live the old days.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! 🙏🏻😊 I spent a lot of hours with GP2 in my early age, I think I'll return back to it! It looks pretty awesome 😎 with the wheels and rotating steering wheel and wide-screen and wow, it looks amazing... And the sound....❤
I was so fond of this game when I was a kid. We got a Thrustmaster 2 wheel with it at xmas. Really looking forward to playing again! Would love to see a live stream season. Thanks GPL!
My god........awesome, Aubrey Windle released GPEdit back in the day (For GP2 and GP3 iirc) , I spent months editing the physics and performance databases to make team relative performance and driver performances which were very close to real life...it was my entry into race game modding actually.
So I have to say, great video. This is the main game I remember getting me into sim racing. I love indycar 2 and the all the grand prix series. I also remember trying to play on keyboard and then eventually getting my first wheel. The Thrustmaster (bungie cord FFB) wheel. Now being 53 i am still simracing but now on triple screens. Keep up the great work. You give me ideas for my small channel(for fun) on my next video. Cheers.
I remember getting GP2 for my birthday from PC World in the UK back in 1996 and playing it with my best friend. Good times and such a great F1 gaming series, probably still the best one, far better than what we get now from EA/Codemasters. It's so good to see this getting modernised, thank you for covering this GPLaps. It'd be great to see you do a full season, race by race per video. I would love to crowdfund a Grand Prix 5 with Geoff Crammond back at the wheel - anyone else?
There is no way to describe how incredible sim racing was in the 1990's to someone who did not experience it. To, all of a sudden, be able to do these things on a home PC was mind blowing. I understand younger people seeing this and comparing it to what we have today, seeing it as crude and not so impressive. The main reason I sometimes get jaded on today's sims is simply the fact that no future racing sim will ever again be released in my lifetime that will blow me away like these sims did in the 1990's.
16:47 - you mention wheel-to-wheel AI racing there, and I've just recalled a distinct memory, though related to the first Grand Prix game. I once launched AI race at Estoril without participating and noticed how often they would drive wheel-to-wheel in parallel battling for position at the final long right-hander. Somewhat similar to Indycars on ovals, yet I thought - at that place, that's completely unrealistic! Now imagine my surprise, when in 1996 Villeneuve passed Schumacher at Estoril AT THE SAME PLACE, IN THE SAME MANNER - from the outside! That was just jaw-dropping!
LFG!! With the possible exception of Geoff Crammond’s original 1991-based Formula One Grand Prix, on my Atari ST in 1992, Grand Prix 2 still has my most hours played in any sim ever. I completed multiple full length race championship seasons with it - due to the series’ awesome _save and resume at any point_ feature.
@@GregzVR same for me! I am a multiple world champion with different teams 😎 we used to play it with my childhood friend in that swapping multiplayer mode, that was pretty awesome!!! We spent countless hours with GP2 especially during summer holidays. Qualifying in the morning with race in the afternoon, off course 100% race distance!
A lot of it is to do with how awful the F1 and other EA games have become. You can race these cars in other Sims of course and even do a championship (AC, AMS2) but there's an atmosphere in these specific games that the modern games completely miss.
I played this game so much at the time, it is fantastic to see it is still updated today, such a fun game from the golden era of PC games and Microprose.
VR support would be absoluetly great! I do race in VR and its an absolute game changer. I would love to use VR in this game, and relive my childhood the way id imagined it
Thanks for posting this! I just did a few quick races and it was like the old times!Gp2 means the world to me and I played it with all kinds of carsets and tracks well into the 2000's. It was also a very important teacher of motorsports history, which was always my favorite part about racing. Suddenly I could play as Fittipaldi, Stewart or the rocket men of the turbo era! Then I experienced what you say in the beginning: with newer hardware I could never get it to work properly. This is REALLY cool!
@towserfm I did back in the day.. my Brother who sadly passed away back in 2013 mastered Grand Prix 4 on the keyboard..he would test..do full practice, Qualifying and the race.. great memories! I'm interested in the mods you were playing on GP2 as you mentioned Stewart and Fittipaldi? 😊
I never thought seeing a steering wheel in GP2 move and rotate would blow my mind but here we are. Gonna have to look out my copy of GP2 later and give this a try. Would love to see you do a full season on this game someday Jake the Indycar 2 stuff is a fun watch!
I've downloaded and played it. Spent the whole Sunday playing it. I mean, it looks so realistic in terms of phisics. It's better than the whole crap EA and the rest has been doing nowadays. It is still buggy, but when it's got the graphics improvement and clear all bugs, it's gonna be massive!
Great video, Jake! You were rethorically asking why we enjoy playing these old racing video games at 36:30 and I wanted to offer my perspective on this (as I am also an vintage racing games enthusiast): immersion! I feel like these older titles often focused on crafting a deeply engaging and self-contained experience since they lacked the online multiplayer capabilities that modern games heavily rely on. Features like dynamic weather, AI with strategic depth, and mechanical unpredictability contributed to the sense of authenticity and made players feel like they were truly part of the racing world. In contrast, many modern racing games prioritize multiplayer or esports dynamics, sometimes at the expense of robust single-player modes. While nostalgia likely plays a role in our enjoyment of these classics, probably immersion has an even stronger pull. These games weren’t just about the driving; they were about the narrative of a race or a season, something modern games sometimes struggle to replicate.
This was great!! Me and a friend would play this all of the time back when this came out. I would love to see you do a full season video. I still have my original install disk and am installing it now!
I loved the Geoff Crammond Grand Prix series. I played the original on my Amiga A1200 back in the 90s and I have loved them ever since. Feels so nostalgic watching this video. Played GP 2-4 on PC. I am amazed that you could race while given a full commentary, I would not be able to do this. I need total concentration with no talking when I play any racing game. This looks like an excellent mod by Hatcher. I might try and dig out my old GP2 game CD and try it. Thanks for posting this video, it was an exciting race.
I wish he'd left in the old joystick calibration menu, because this is proving a nightmare of confusing options to set up now, and it doesn't seem to work properly when you do get it going. The 'controller' option seems tailored towards wheel and pedals instead.
@@imightbewrong_ I'm using the joystick I used back in the day to play the Grand Prix series. It works in other games. I can get steering, and lucked into getting brake and throttle to somewhat work, but it's super touchy like it thinks it's wheel and pedals. Undriveable basically. The new calibration menu is kinda confusing compared to the games old default one.
Fabulous, loved the first Geoff Cramond game and GP2 did not disappoint. As you correctly pointed out the racing dynamics were so good back then, mechanical retirements, accidents caused by the computer controlled cars and debris the game well it had it all. Please do an F1 season you will provide us with so much entertainment and if it's as good as I remember you'll get a great kick out of it. But please don't take Berger's seat maybe the 2nd Benetton seat 🙂
Fabulous, This was my only game back in the 90s when it was contemporary. Got involved in the downloading custom tracks and then editing them myself. I re-work someone else's version of Mt Panorama that they had created from watching the TV, i lived nearby so i went to the track and took elevation readings using a spirit level and eyeball the inclines and descents. not that precise but it was an improvement. Although I couldn't change the shape of the cars, i edited them via their physics specs to match the performance as best as to the V8 Supercars. I got close to matching real lap times. I still have those files and the in the box game somewhere. Had heaps of fun. Things happen had baby work commitments etc, so i had packed the game away and have just returned to sim racing in recent years, and blown away with the developments since then. . Glad to see it is being keep alive and kicking. I looking forward to you Jake doing a season with this game. Cheers :) ( Bathurst Australia )
I saw this in Ted Meat's channel as well where you replied! ;-) GP2 is still in it's original box, lying in a storage container somewhere our house. I feel like i should get it out and try this. Back then my pc could not run this and i never really got to playing it the way i wanted. It's like this has always been a "trauma" for me so this new thing could be my "therapy".
34:13 Its a Larrousse! Not sure if GP2 has drivers for each race, but if it did, that's Hideki Noda, however Olivier Beretta did the most races in that car.
Yes it's Beretta, and his team mate is Erik Comas. I did a full ace season as Comas, with traction control, and it was fun because I chose this car knowing it's the car that has the highest failure probability. I had a failure in more than 50% of the races. The car that Jake overtook first was the Pacific of Gachot
This is just awesome. I actually still have a Pentium 2 266 with a Riva TNT 2 ultra and a Voodoo 2 card with Awe 32 sound card. I used to often just run this game in demo mode and watch the race play out after crashing out just to see who would win. These games were way ahead of their time. Crammond is a genius.
Its nice to see the 94 cars in all their glory - obviously given the tragedy in this season IRL, its not a year most developers and modders want to touch - but the x86 version really does feel like a whole new game. Highlights just how ahead of his time Geoff Crammond was, and how little progress with AI racing has actually been made in nearly 30 years.
As someone who was born way after the GP games this is a perfect opportunity for me to try Grand Prix 2, I've been wanting to visit the older Grand Prix games as I've only played GP4, and I've also played other older sim racing games like Nascar Racing 2003, GP Legends, F1 Challenge 99-02, and I have a huge appreciation and love for the older titles as they just are not the same anymore, modern F1 games the cars feel like literal tanks to drive, where in F1 Challenge or GP4 its very twitchy and any small mistake can cause a fatal crash.
Driver aggression is same across all drivers. You can tune the following through the GPedit utility: Team (cars): - Engine power in qualifying - Engine power in a race - Reliability Driver: - Qualifying grip - Race grip - Variation from the settings above This way you can have pretty realistic carsets that reflect the performance difference between drivers, as well as possible fluctuations of each driver performance throughout the season.
I remember 4 years ago I was obsessed with everthing f1 1994 and wanted to play this game so bad considering it was honestly the best simulation of the '94 season you could really get, not many mods for rf or ac. I swear I watched like every video on the internet about the stock game
Brilliant video. I remember buying GP2 at launch and grappling to get an old Epson PC to run it. The highest graphics settings with all street furniture, mirrors etc was only ever a pipe dream back then if I wanted a playable frame rate. How times have changed. I might have to invest in a decent gaming rig as the modding community is doing amazing things with sports games I grew up with. Cheers.
The Speed channel was originally called Speedvision. I remember the first time I saw it was when they offered it as a free view weekend back in 1999, they were airing an old show called Car and Track with Bud Lindemann, which would have footage from 60s and 70s NASCAR races. They also showed a lot more niche racing back then like various touring cars series. When it became the Speed channel it went downhill fast.
I definitely gotta get this! I probably still have the original install disk for GP2 somewhere… (although not needed i guess) I played GP2 soooooo much in the ‘90s, probably one of the only games I played 😅 So many fond memories, playing the ‘turn based’ 2 player with my best mate after school, doing full seasons etc and all on keyboard as wheels weren’t really a thing yet, although I remember my dad one day came home with a wheel he borrowed from a colleague and I played GP2 for the first time ever with a wheel, it did have some ‘force’ but definitely no ‘feedback’ iirc but it’s been like 30 years ago by now…
This is so awesome, it just shows how many people want a proper single player, immersive racing sim, that we get excited for updates to 30 year old ones. It isn't really happening with modern sims. I don't think Ted mentioned this either, so I think it's worth noting that this needs the US version of GP2 to run. This caught me out as I've only ever had the UK version. Looking forward to seeing where this goes, for mod content, and for Jake and Ted's channels.
This is what I've been dreaming of for so long! This game as well as IndyCar Racing have defined my life and career. Hopefully this and ICR2 Rendition come to full potential. AMS2 is fun and all, but these games are so complete, it's totally immersive and that's most important to me. GP2x86 makes it even more complete. Would be awesome if you'd do a full season of this some time.
this is awesome! I hope they get it to where new we can get modern wheels to be detected! I wanted to try this but even using my gimx to make my simucube to be seen as a logitech, it was not able to detect the wheel with the pedals at all... Now that we apparently can this is just awesome!
I guess Santa was still around. 2 great gifts yesterday! F1GP and GP2 ran like a thread through my youth. Got GP2 running again in 2016 thanks to Dosbox and started in 1988 and eventually finished the 2019 season in 2020. Now I mod the crap out of GP4. But it's great to see the revival of these games. Especially the moving wheels and steering wheel were features I really missed in those days. Would be great if the can make the AI defend there positions like they do in GP4. Nevertheless I watched the whole 50 minutes with a smile on my face. So do that full season Jake! 👊
This game and Indycar 2 has so many memories for me from the 90s, that I cannot even describe. I still play both to this very day, stoked to see that more and more advancements are being made to enjoy these old gems on modern machines.
Would love to see you do a full season in this. Agree though, you'll probably want to wait for mod support, get the proper sponsors on the cars etc. From memory I think weather got cut from the game at a late stage because they struggled to get it working properly. I remember as a kid it took me about 3 months to notice as I assumed I just got lucky with the weather. It was a shame it got cut as I loved the spray effect in GP1.
Thanks for great video! I have small kids now and cannot fully commit to iRacing anymore due to lack of time. So I'm searching for some good sims that i can play offline when i have a bit of free time. I mostly grew up on NR2003 so playing this mostly now, but this GP2 looks amazing. I probably played it as little kid back in the day but could not appreciate it at the time. New sims mostly lack interesting racing/season play against AI so getting into these older sims seems like way to go. Downloading GP2 mod now and looking forward to trying it out thanks to you.
The first car you lapped around 34:00 that you thought was a Tyrrell was a Pacific. It's easy to forget about them because they barely ever qualified in 94. The green car after this that you assumed to be a Jordan was one of the Larrousse. It's easy to think it was a Jordan because the 1991 Jordan was mainly green too, though the Jordan had blue on the sides too if I remember correctly
I used to print out the starting grids and timings as a kid :D And my racing setup was a desk chair with two wheel removed so it leaned as far back possible, with the peddles on a wooden crate. And the steering wheel i used was a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Racing Wheel, later on i get the Force Feedback version of it. I still got my boxed copy, with a floppy disk inside with modding files on it, sadly i don't have a floppy drive to look at it anymore.
I played this game on both the keyboard and a joystick as a boy 🙂I used to add lots of custom old tracks and edit the cars and drivers, I'd simulate seasons; I had a great time.
Wide-screen GP2 🎉 , this game and even GP1 still has better AI than current games that will actually race you wheel to wheel and not give up after you have overtaken then. I still the GP game for that reason. Looking forward to more updates on this one.
Just from this gameplay, the car seems so satisfying to drive, as if it would scratch an itch. Think it might have something to do with the increase in fps and the decrease in input lag
Got the original still lying around. Up till now the game I spent most time playing. I remember, in the off season of f1 I did a full length season each week to try to predict the coming season. Boy did I had a lot of spare time as a kid.
WAW that's just so Amazing My friend, I don't have this wonderful game anymore,i use to have it on the Amiga 500, Mine was quite quick though because i had the 2 meg upgrade in my Amiga. But what i do have though is GP 3 And 4, Which i brought from new when they came out, So i was lucky enough to get the free Patch Disks that came in the box, Which gave you Pit crew chatter and other cool updates, But sadly non of my computers will run them correctly, I have one that almost runs my GP4, But it keeps going back to the windows screen,But it does still look Great even today, And you are right mate, Jeff did do stuff in his games that just wasn't in any other F1 games at the time, And even the AI was spot om like you pointed out. Only thing missing was Murray Walkers Ranting, Which i always thought they would of Patched him in at a later date, But Having said that, No one has ever matched Jeff for his spot on Physics or AI opponents. Shame he went Bust Because, Who knows what he would have Achieved with these new High end PCs, And even the PS4 And 5 Era, I know he would have given The Big Boys a run for there Money, Like Code Masters And EA, Don't get me wrong i love most F1 games that come out, But there's just something about Jeff CRAMMONDS games that just take a sim to the next level, He was doing things no body else was doing at the time, I suppose the only other ones that are almost as good were some of the PS2 F1 games, Like F1 2002 was Amazing for a PS2 game' Set up right it was Just quite realistic, 2006 with It's new control System was a very good Racing game,But Jeff was the original guy to do any of that stuff, I only wish i had a computer that would run them correctly, even my Duel Core Windows XP wont run it Properly. He's the only guy to win a Bafta Award for An F1 Sim, Grand Prix 4, And rightly so, Is Jeff even still alive i wonder, If so does he still think about what he Achieved, If it wasn't for him, I don't think we would have the great sim games we have now, He started it all, A bit like Elvis made Rock and roll Cool. Any way mate, I think you would have had Hill if you hadn't of been talking so much, you needed to Concentrate a bit more Buddy, And you would have nailed it Mate. Grate Video My friend, Great what the've done with this Fab old sim, It needed some love.
Man this brings back memories. GP2 was my very first PC game! Countless hours went into that. When internet at school became a thing I obtained gp2edit with a floppy disk and then the gates opened.😂 I always thought i was good enough to win the championship in a Simtek only to find out that there was a "players car" with insane stats that you were given no matter which team you ran for.
Never had a wheel to play GP1 thru GP4, hads friends that did, I was just so used to keyboard play Crammonds' Sims were well ahead of the times, in so many ways, they also required system specs that were well ahead of the hardware available at launch
That's fantastic! It was the first game I ever bought with my own money. Looks great! About the wet weather, it was present in GP1 but I don't really know why GP2 is dry only. Probably some limitation. I've seen some attempts to emulate it but not sucessfully, at least so far.
Loved GP2 and especially GP4. I don’t know how many hours I spent finding the perfect Monza setup. 8-10 laps run, back to the pits, check telemetry, tweak one or two things, and start all over again.
There's a whole fascinating discussion around why we like old games. Ultimately I think its because we are all getting old! I was 9 in the 1994 season and this game was mindblowing to a 10/11 year old. I think the games are not better or worse than modern ones, relative to their time. However, the nostalgia hit is as much about trying to recapture that feeling. In many ways we are blessed with sims and games, becasue the generation before us don't necessarily have the resources available to recapture their wholly non digital life experience. But our generation CAN capture a fleeting glimpse of that joy through these games once again. In that way we are blessed, and its why I love 90s games - especially as I approach 40. Also - yes please for a Ryan Axleson crossover!
one of my fondest memories of Gran Prix 3 was starting out in a Minardi and doing like 2 laps before I had massive smoke coming out the back and the gearbox had exploded. No modern game does that and I think it's a real shame
i forgot this game honestly but once i saw the cockpit i remember playing it at a friends house back in the day! You need to try New Star GP the game is amazing!
You should have stayed in 2nd gear at the Schumacher corner. I drive it in 2nd too but it's a bit tricky corner because it's not flat. Coincidentally, my last upload is a race in Adelaide too, the last race of my championship as Alesi
The great thing about these games is the tyre wear. No modern game has nailed it as well as these, where the tyres would gradually go off over 100% distance, to the point where you can feel yourself losing half a tenth of a second in places. It's the same with the fuel, the feeling of the weight with a full tank at the start, and then feeling the car get lighter up to the pitstop.
Ah this brings back memories 😊 Another great video and would love to watch a season…how about Richie being dropped into the McLaren team as a replacement for Michael Andretti? Given the disappointment of his ‘93 season in F1, would make a cool narrative don’t you think 🤔
This is fantastic! It really brings back memories from when games had so much character and were crafted with care. I’m definitely going to check this out! By the way, what wheel are you using? It looks interesting 🤔
Love to see a full season of this. Are there any plans to complete the Richie Axelson 66 season? IIRC that only got as far as Italy last time I looked.
I still have the original Microsoft Force feedback joystick . I can’t remember If that worked with these games or not. The force feedback on that thing is amazing though. I used to love it with helicopter simulators. As far as I know it still works. It has been packed in a box for years and years.
I play a lot of Crammond's Revs, so I'm not surprised to hear you praise the AI in his games. Revs is so good I've still not graduated to his GP games 😅. Maybe 2025 will be the year I discover 1990s racing sims.
For anyone having an issue where the mouse doesnt work, try launching the game as Admin!
EDIT: I believe he has posted a new version - grandprix2.racing/file/misc/view/x86gp2
Hmmm i've tried that a few times. Will keep persisting!
@bigJuffer are you able to right click when it launches? I wonder if you first have to set it to controller?
@@GPLaps Yeah i can right click, and setup the wheel and controls etc - just can't get left click to register on the ok button :(
Left click works in the option screens too - will figure it out!
@@BigJuffer I am having the same issue. I can right click and setup all of the controls and things but when I try to click on the ok button nothing happens.
@@reidtaylor2764 Will let you know if I find out how to get around it!
I worked with Geoff on GP3 and GP4 at Microprose. Developed the games graphics engine. Good memories.
you. you serious?
@@ScootDaVoot yes - around 1999-2002. Also worked on the XBOX GP4 version which unfortunately was never released
@@fireescaper8672That is awesome. I would have loved to see an Xbox version. How close to release did it get?
@@DEVILTAZ35yeah - it was a shame that it wasn’t released. It was about 2-3 months away. Studio was closed down. The end of the GP series with it. Really great to see it still being played today and the awesome support and interest of the community
In that case maybe you can let me know if my guess is correct. To my knowledge the physics engine was in big parts in assembler (I think I remember a Geoff crammond interview where he said it, but I do not remember which one, but I am inclined all of them were based on the original one) and that makes it so hard to port to other systems.
Also a shame Xbox never made it. Sorry about all the work that did not pay of. Also would have been nice to have a stable gp4, it is so crash prone in modern windows :(
Wow, finally moving steering wheel and visible front tires! It's the only thing that was missing in GP2, a true milestone of sim racing. This mod seems to bring GP2 back to life and show it was and still is a really great game! So many memories and so many hours spent playing it, thanks for the video I think I will install this and re-live the old days.
I remember being shocked as a kid when i crashed into the side of Damon and split his car in half.
Michael? Michael Schumacher? Is that you?
@@demonicsquid7217 😆😆😆
I think Indy 500 was the game that really shocked me at first with car bits flying everywhere lol
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@@DEVILTAZ35that's true! I was shocked with the crash model of that game, that was something special in that era! 😮
I absolutely loved this game back in the day. Used to drive with an analogue joystick as if I was piloting a plane.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! 🙏🏻😊 I spent a lot of hours with GP2 in my early age, I think I'll return back to it! It looks pretty awesome 😎 with the wheels and rotating steering wheel and wide-screen and wow, it looks amazing... And the sound....❤
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Great to see GP Laps doing GP Laps in GP2. Love your channel, looking forward to a great 2025.
I was so fond of this game when I was a kid. We got a Thrustmaster 2 wheel with it at xmas. Really looking forward to playing again! Would love to see a live stream season.
Thanks GPL!
I had a T2 either!! So many memories with this game!!
My god........awesome, Aubrey Windle released GPEdit back in the day (For GP2 and GP3 iirc) , I spent months editing the physics and performance databases to make team relative performance and driver performances which were very close to real life...it was my entry into race game modding actually.
Do you still have those files? :-)
I used to create carshapes. It also was the first community around simracing for me. Great times.
Back in those times there were websites dedicated to GP mods. Not sure about now. @@rondee
We had GP-Ed on the Amiga for GC's Grand Prix back in the day. You had to send a cheque off, and you got the floppy disc in the post 😊
@@rondee Crikey, there is a tiny tiny chance somewhere on an old HDD, I wouldn't hold your breath tho mate tbh, it is at least 26/27 years ago now !
So I have to say, great video. This is the main game I remember getting me into sim racing. I love indycar 2 and the all the grand prix series. I also remember trying to play on keyboard and then eventually getting my first wheel. The Thrustmaster (bungie cord FFB) wheel. Now being 53 i am still simracing but now on triple screens. Keep up the great work. You give me ideas for my small channel(for fun) on my next video. Cheers.
Ah, the old Thrustmaster Formula T2. I still have mine. 😅
I remember getting GP2 for my birthday from PC World in the UK back in 1996 and playing it with my best friend. Good times and such a great F1 gaming series, probably still the best one, far better than what we get now from EA/Codemasters.
It's so good to see this getting modernised, thank you for covering this GPLaps. It'd be great to see you do a full season, race by race per video.
I would love to crowdfund a Grand Prix 5 with Geoff Crammond back at the wheel - anyone else?
There is no way to describe how incredible sim racing was in the 1990's to someone who did not experience it. To, all of a sudden, be able to do these things on a home PC was mind blowing. I understand younger people seeing this and comparing it to what we have today, seeing it as crude and not so impressive. The main reason I sometimes get jaded on today's sims is simply the fact that no future racing sim will ever again be released in my lifetime that will blow me away like these sims did in the 1990's.
So true man. Awesome stuff for the time!
It must have been great. Mindblowing. Now people just bicker over which sim is more realistic and which has better graphics.
16:47 - you mention wheel-to-wheel AI racing there, and I've just recalled a distinct memory, though related to the first Grand Prix game. I once launched AI race at Estoril without participating and noticed how often they would drive wheel-to-wheel in parallel battling for position at the final long right-hander. Somewhat similar to Indycars on ovals, yet I thought - at that place, that's completely unrealistic! Now imagine my surprise, when in 1996 Villeneuve passed Schumacher at Estoril AT THE SAME PLACE, IN THE SAME MANNER - from the outside! That was just jaw-dropping!
LFG!! With the possible exception of Geoff Crammond’s original 1991-based Formula One Grand Prix, on my Atari ST in 1992, Grand Prix 2 still has my most hours played in any sim ever.
I completed multiple full length race championship seasons with it - due to the series’ awesome _save and resume at any point_ feature.
@@GregzVR same for me! I am a multiple world champion with different teams 😎 we used to play it with my childhood friend in that swapping multiplayer mode, that was pretty awesome!!! We spent countless hours with GP2 especially during summer holidays. Qualifying in the morning with race in the afternoon, off course 100% race distance!
Magic days! 😎👏🏻🏁
ICR2 now this? Are we currently having a renaissance in sim racing?
Retro sim racing certainly is.
💯 dude. We are literally living in the greatest age. Not even counting penicillin and clean water n stuff
RBR blowing up too
A lot of it is to do with how awful the F1 and other EA games have become. You can race these cars in other Sims of course and even do a championship (AC, AMS2) but there's an atmosphere in these specific games that the modern games completely miss.
@@demonicsquid7217Perfect!👌🏻
I played this game so much at the time, it is fantastic to see it is still updated today, such a fun game from the golden era of PC games and Microprose.
VR support would be absoluetly great!
I do race in VR and its an absolute game changer.
I would love to use VR in this game, and relive my childhood the way id imagined it
Firs we need to port cars and tracks to AC, then add shaders ;)
VR would not be possible in this game, or even if it was, it would probably be immersion breaking; the cockpit is 2D
@SiggsGBR honestly as long as its a 360 projected 2d screen. I dont mind it.
Thanks for posting this! I just did a few quick races and it was like the old times!Gp2 means the world to me and I played it with all kinds of carsets and tracks well into the 2000's. It was also a very important teacher of motorsports history, which was always my favorite part about racing. Suddenly I could play as Fittipaldi, Stewart or the rocket men of the turbo era! Then I experienced what you say in the beginning: with newer hardware I could never get it to work properly. This is REALLY cool!
By the way, who else plays Gp2 with a keyboard?
@towserfm I did back in the day.. my Brother who sadly passed away back in 2013 mastered Grand Prix 4 on the keyboard..he would test..do full practice, Qualifying and the race.. great memories! I'm interested in the mods you were playing on GP2 as you mentioned Stewart and Fittipaldi? 😊
I never thought seeing a steering wheel in GP2 move and rotate would blow my mind but here we are. Gonna have to look out my copy of GP2 later and give this a try. Would love to see you do a full season on this game someday Jake the Indycar 2 stuff is a fun watch!
the GP games always had the best engine sounds.
what were the odds this comes out around the same time... And yes, Axleson needs to do a season of this.
Love this and will definitely try,I spent way too many hours playing this on keyboard with full length seasons when it originally came out.
This is awesome! I always wanted to try this sim but was intimidated by the complicated install process. I can't wait to give this a go.
Appreciate your time and work. Great finally GP2. Lot of nostalgic memories here. More of that!
I've downloaded and played it.
Spent the whole Sunday playing it. I mean, it looks so realistic in terms of phisics. It's better than the whole crap EA and the rest has been doing nowadays.
It is still buggy, but when it's got the graphics improvement and clear all bugs, it's gonna be massive!
The original F1GP also had rain, it was dropped in GP2 as the game was rushed at the end
The weather was already in the first Grand Prix game though. It was planned for GP2 apparently as you said, but never got into the release.
2025 started strong for us old sim lovers
Hope something happens for grand prix 4 aswell
i think grand prix 3 needs that more. grand prix 4 can already be run in wide screen
@@ScootDaVootbut gp4 is so instable. At least I can't run it longer than a few laps.
Great video, Jake! You were rethorically asking why we enjoy playing these old racing video games at 36:30 and I wanted to offer my perspective on this (as I am also an vintage racing games enthusiast): immersion!
I feel like these older titles often focused on crafting a deeply engaging and self-contained experience since they lacked the online multiplayer capabilities that modern games heavily rely on. Features like dynamic weather, AI with strategic depth, and mechanical unpredictability contributed to the sense of authenticity and made players feel like they were truly part of the racing world.
In contrast, many modern racing games prioritize multiplayer or esports dynamics, sometimes at the expense of robust single-player modes. While nostalgia likely plays a role in our enjoyment of these classics, probably immersion has an even stronger pull. These games weren’t just about the driving; they were about the narrative of a race or a season, something modern games sometimes struggle to replicate.
This was great!! Me and a friend would play this all of the time back when this came out. I would love to see you do a full season video. I still have my original install disk and am installing it now!
I loved the Geoff Crammond Grand Prix series. I played the original on my Amiga A1200 back in the 90s and I have loved them ever since. Feels so nostalgic watching this video. Played GP 2-4 on PC. I am amazed that you could race while given a full commentary, I would not be able to do this. I need total concentration with no talking when I play any racing game.
This looks like an excellent mod by Hatcher. I might try and dig out my old GP2 game CD and try it.
Thanks for posting this video, it was an exciting race.
I wish he'd left in the old joystick calibration menu, because this is proving a nightmare of confusing options to set up now, and it doesn't seem to work properly when you do get it going. The 'controller' option seems tailored towards wheel and pedals instead.
DS4 Controller isn't working for me in the cockpit even though it seems to work in the special menu setup. Hope I can fix it.
@@imightbewrong_ I'm using the joystick I used back in the day to play the Grand Prix series. It works in other games. I can get steering, and lucked into getting brake and throttle to somewhat work, but it's super touchy like it thinks it's wheel and pedals. Undriveable basically. The new calibration menu is kinda confusing compared to the games old default one.
Fabulous, loved the first Geoff Cramond game and GP2 did not disappoint. As you correctly pointed out the racing dynamics were so good back then, mechanical retirements, accidents caused by the computer controlled cars and debris the game well it had it all. Please do an F1 season you will provide us with so much entertainment and if it's as good as I remember you'll get a great kick out of it. But please don't take Berger's seat maybe the 2nd Benetton seat 🙂
Fabulous, This was my only game back in the 90s when it was contemporary. Got involved in the downloading custom tracks and then editing them myself. I re-work someone else's version of Mt Panorama that they had created from watching the TV, i lived nearby so i went to the track and took elevation readings using a spirit level and eyeball the inclines and descents. not that precise but it was an improvement. Although I couldn't change the shape of the cars, i edited them via their physics specs to match the performance as best as to the V8 Supercars. I got close to matching real lap times. I still have those files and the in the box game somewhere. Had heaps of fun. Things happen had baby work commitments etc, so i had packed the game away and have just returned to sim racing in recent years, and blown away with the developments since then. . Glad to see it is being keep alive and kicking. I looking forward to you Jake doing a season with this game. Cheers :) ( Bathurst Australia )
I saw this in Ted Meat's channel as well where you replied! ;-)
GP2 is still in it's original box, lying in a storage container somewhere our house.
I feel like i should get it out and try this. Back then my pc could not run this and i never really got to playing it the way i wanted.
It's like this has always been a "trauma" for me so this new thing could be my "therapy".
I go from error, to error. But no racing, yet.
34:13 Its a Larrousse! Not sure if GP2 has drivers for each race, but if it did, that's Hideki Noda, however Olivier Beretta did the most races in that car.
Yes it's Beretta, and his team mate is Erik Comas.
I did a full ace season as Comas, with traction control, and it was fun because I chose this car knowing it's the car that has the highest failure probability. I had a failure in more than 50% of the races.
The car that Jake overtook first was the Pacific of Gachot
I believe GP2 used the drivers and liveries from the 1994 German Grand Prix
This is just awesome. I actually still have a Pentium 2 266 with a Riva TNT 2 ultra and a Voodoo 2 card with Awe 32 sound card.
I used to often just run this game in demo mode and watch the race play out after crashing out just to see who would win.
These games were way ahead of their time. Crammond is a genius.
This is awesome! I recently tried to get the original version to work, without success. I can't wait to try it.
Its nice to see the 94 cars in all their glory - obviously given the tragedy in this season IRL, its not a year most developers and modders want to touch - but the x86 version really does feel like a whole new game.
Highlights just how ahead of his time Geoff Crammond was, and how little progress with AI racing has actually been made in nearly 30 years.
Defo need you to do a season with these cars Jake.
As someone who was born way after the GP games this is a perfect opportunity for me to try Grand Prix 2, I've been wanting to visit the older Grand Prix games as I've only played GP4, and I've also played other older sim racing games like Nascar Racing 2003, GP Legends, F1 Challenge 99-02, and I have a huge appreciation and love for the older titles as they just are not the same anymore, modern F1 games the cars feel like literal tanks to drive, where in F1 Challenge or GP4 its very twitchy and any small mistake can cause a fatal crash.
Driver aggression is same across all drivers. You can tune the following through the GPedit utility:
Team (cars):
- Engine power in qualifying
- Engine power in a race
- Reliability
Driver:
- Qualifying grip
- Race grip
- Variation from the settings above
This way you can have pretty realistic carsets that reflect the performance difference between drivers, as well as possible fluctuations of each driver performance throughout the season.
my all time fav game from the good old days
I have played all other GP games but never the second. GP3 got me hundreds of hours.
@@Unwoken_European It's worth trying! - even more now!
I remember 4 years ago I was obsessed with everthing f1 1994 and wanted to play this game so bad considering it was honestly the best simulation of the '94 season you could really get, not many mods for rf or ac. I swear I watched like every video on the internet about the stock game
You can get Grand Prix 4 and just slap a 94 mod on it.
GPLaps doing a full season in GP2 qould be a dream of mine. Loved Ted's seasons and always can love GP2 content
Brilliant video. I remember buying GP2 at launch and grappling to get an old Epson PC to run it. The highest graphics settings with all street furniture, mirrors etc was only ever a pipe dream back then if I wanted a playable frame rate. How times have changed. I might have to invest in a decent gaming rig as the modding community is doing amazing things with sports games I grew up with. Cheers.
Great video, would love to see a season of this, game looks and works really well.
Thanks for the video. This brings back a lot of good memories.
I was thinking of Grand Prix Legends that I have on CD Rom while watching this. Another amazing game.
The Speed channel was originally called Speedvision. I remember the first time I saw it was when they offered it as a free view weekend back in 1999, they were airing an old show called Car and Track with Bud Lindemann, which would have footage from 60s and 70s NASCAR races. They also showed a lot more niche racing back then like various touring cars series. When it became the Speed channel it went downhill fast.
I definitely gotta get this! I probably still have the original install disk for GP2 somewhere… (although not needed i guess) I played GP2 soooooo much in the ‘90s, probably one of the only games I played 😅 So many fond memories, playing the ‘turn based’ 2 player with my best mate after school, doing full seasons etc and all on keyboard as wheels weren’t really a thing yet, although I remember my dad one day came home with a wheel he borrowed from a colleague and I played GP2 for the first time ever with a wheel, it did have some ‘force’ but definitely no ‘feedback’ iirc but it’s been like 30 years ago by now…
This is so awesome, it just shows how many people want a proper single player, immersive racing sim, that we get excited for updates to 30 year old ones. It isn't really happening with modern sims. I don't think Ted mentioned this either, so I think it's worth noting that this needs the US version of GP2 to run. This caught me out as I've only ever had the UK version. Looking forward to seeing where this goes, for mod content, and for Jake and Ted's channels.
Insane nostalgia watching this. Spent a ton of hours with a mate doing multiple championships with that hot drive feature the GP series had.
This is what I've been dreaming of for so long! This game as well as IndyCar Racing have defined my life and career. Hopefully this and ICR2 Rendition come to full potential. AMS2 is fun and all, but these games are so complete, it's totally immersive and that's most important to me. GP2x86 makes it even more complete.
Would be awesome if you'd do a full season of this some time.
this is awesome! I hope they get it to where new we can get modern wheels to be detected! I wanted to try this but even using my gimx to make my simucube to be seen as a logitech, it was not able to detect the wheel with the pedals at all... Now that we apparently can this is just awesome!
Awesome, thanks, going to try it tomorrow
At 20:47, you can see the KPH change to MPH.
Yes, it's a graphical glitch in the game. There's a fix out there for it
Nuts having the ICR2 updates and this in such close proximity. Those 2 games were basically all I played my freshman year of college.
I love that youre into LGR. You're basically the LGR of sim racing - high production quality with a retro focus.
I guess Santa was still around. 2 great gifts yesterday!
F1GP and GP2 ran like a thread through my youth.
Got GP2 running again in 2016 thanks to Dosbox and started in 1988 and eventually finished the 2019 season in 2020. Now I mod the crap out of GP4.
But it's great to see the revival of these games. Especially the moving wheels and steering wheel were features I really missed in those days.
Would be great if the can make the AI defend there positions like they do in GP4.
Nevertheless I watched the whole 50 minutes with a smile on my face. So do that full season Jake! 👊
This game and Indycar 2 has so many memories for me from the 90s, that I cannot even describe. I still play both to this very day, stoked to see that more and more advancements are being made to enjoy these old gems on modern machines.
Would love to see you do a full season in this. Agree though, you'll probably want to wait for mod support, get the proper sponsors on the cars etc.
From memory I think weather got cut from the game at a late stage because they struggled to get it working properly. I remember as a kid it took me about 3 months to notice as I assumed I just got lucky with the weather. It was a shame it got cut as I loved the spray effect in GP1.
very cool - would love to see some of the tracks people have made - used to play GP2 with a CH Yoke
Count 6 turns in, and one of the most famous incidents in motor racing history took place at that very corner.
I would absolutely love seeing you a 100% playthrough of this after the current ICR2 season
Thanks for great video! I have small kids now and cannot fully commit to iRacing anymore due to lack of time. So I'm searching for some good sims that i can play offline when i have a bit of free time.
I mostly grew up on NR2003 so playing this mostly now, but this GP2 looks amazing. I probably played it as little kid back in the day but could not appreciate it at the time.
New sims mostly lack interesting racing/season play against AI so getting into these older sims seems like way to go.
Downloading GP2 mod now and looking forward to trying it out thanks to you.
This is impressive! I hope GP3 and 4 get similar treatment. Trying to set up my controls in GP4 with an SC2 is giving me brain damage.
The first car you lapped around 34:00 that you thought was a Tyrrell was a Pacific. It's easy to forget about them because they barely ever qualified in 94. The green car after this that you assumed to be a Jordan was one of the Larrousse. It's easy to think it was a Jordan because the 1991 Jordan was mainly green too, though the Jordan had blue on the sides too if I remember correctly
I used to print out the starting grids and timings as a kid :D And my racing setup was a desk chair with two wheel removed so it leaned as far back possible, with the peddles on a wooden crate. And the steering wheel i used was a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Racing Wheel, later on i get the Force Feedback version of it. I still got my boxed copy, with a floppy disk inside with modding files on it, sadly i don't have a floppy drive to look at it anymore.
I played this game on both the keyboard and a joystick as a boy 🙂I used to add lots of custom old tracks and edit the cars and drivers, I'd simulate seasons; I had a great time.
Wide-screen GP2 🎉 , this game and even GP1 still has better AI than current games that will actually race you wheel to wheel and not give up after you have overtaken then. I still the GP game for that reason. Looking forward to more updates on this one.
That’s so impressive! Thanks!!
Just from this gameplay, the car seems so satisfying to drive, as if it would scratch an itch. Think it might have something to do with the increase in fps and the decrease in input lag
Got the original still lying around. Up till now the game I spent most time playing. I remember, in the off season of f1 I did a full length season each week to try to predict the coming season. Boy did I had a lot of spare time as a kid.
WAW that's just so Amazing My friend, I don't have this wonderful game anymore,i use to have it on the
Amiga 500, Mine was quite quick though because i had the 2 meg upgrade in my Amiga. But what i do
have though is GP 3 And 4, Which i brought from new when they came out, So i was lucky enough to
get the free Patch Disks that came in the box, Which gave you Pit crew chatter and other cool updates,
But sadly non of my computers will run them correctly, I have one that almost runs my GP4, But it keeps
going back to the windows screen,But it does still look Great even today, And you are right mate, Jeff
did do stuff in his games that just wasn't in any other F1 games at the time, And even the AI was spot
om like you pointed out. Only thing missing was Murray Walkers Ranting, Which i always thought they
would of Patched him in at a later date, But Having said that, No one has ever matched Jeff for his
spot on Physics or AI opponents. Shame he went Bust Because, Who knows what he would have
Achieved with these new High end PCs, And even the PS4 And 5 Era, I know he would have given
The Big Boys a run for there Money, Like Code Masters And EA, Don't get me wrong i love most F1
games that come out, But there's just something about Jeff CRAMMONDS games that just take a
sim to the next level, He was doing things no body else was doing at the time, I suppose the only
other ones that are almost as good were some of the PS2 F1 games, Like F1 2002 was Amazing
for a PS2 game' Set up right it was Just quite realistic, 2006 with It's new control System was a
very good Racing game,But Jeff was the original guy to do any of that stuff, I only wish i had a
computer that would run them correctly, even my Duel Core Windows XP wont run it Properly.
He's the only guy to win a Bafta Award for An F1 Sim, Grand Prix 4, And rightly so, Is Jeff even
still alive i wonder, If so does he still think about what he Achieved, If it wasn't for him, I don't
think we would have the great sim games we have now, He started it all, A bit like Elvis made
Rock and roll Cool. Any way mate, I think you would have had Hill if you hadn't of been talking
so much, you needed to Concentrate a bit more Buddy, And you would have nailed it Mate.
Grate Video My friend, Great what the've done with this Fab old sim, It needed some love.
For those wondering: the teams that had manual gearboxes were Footwork, Pacific and Simtek, although Simtek had a 'semi' gearbox...
Man this brings back memories. GP2 was my very first PC game! Countless hours went into that. When internet at school became a thing I obtained gp2edit with a floppy disk and then the gates opened.😂 I always thought i was good enough to win the championship in a Simtek only to find out that there was a "players car" with insane stats that you were given no matter which team you ran for.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE
I had the Autocourse from this year, so I was vividly familiar with all the back markers. Even I couldn't recognize the Larrousse from behind.
Oh the memories!! And to see it overhauled like this, man!
Never had a wheel to play GP1 thru GP4, hads friends that did, I was just so used to keyboard play
Crammonds' Sims were well ahead of the times, in so many ways, they also required system specs that were well ahead of the hardware available at launch
That's fantastic! It was the first game I ever bought with my own money. Looks great! About the wet weather, it was present in GP1 but I don't really know why GP2 is dry only. Probably some limitation. I've seen some attempts to emulate it but not sucessfully, at least so far.
IIRC there were track packs that did what IRC2 Rendition did, the smoke for spray and the dark textures,the Belini track packs IIRC
Oh the irony you hit hill the same place Schumacher did
You should definitely do the 90's thing of being CART champ and getting a Williams ride, once you finish your ICR2 season!
You should make Ritchie Axelson series using GP2 now! This is amazing, brings back lot of childhood memories!
Loved GP2 and especially GP4. I don’t know how many hours I spent finding the perfect Monza setup. 8-10 laps run, back to the pits, check telemetry, tweak one or two things, and start all over again.
There's a whole fascinating discussion around why we like old games. Ultimately I think its because we are all getting old! I was 9 in the 1994 season and this game was mindblowing to a 10/11 year old. I think the games are not better or worse than modern ones, relative to their time. However, the nostalgia hit is as much about trying to recapture that feeling. In many ways we are blessed with sims and games, becasue the generation before us don't necessarily have the resources available to recapture their wholly non digital life experience. But our generation CAN capture a fleeting glimpse of that joy through these games once again. In that way we are blessed, and its why I love 90s games - especially as I approach 40.
Also - yes please for a Ryan Axleson crossover!
one of my fondest memories of Gran Prix 3 was starting out in a Minardi and doing like 2 laps before I had massive smoke coming out the back and the gearbox had exploded. No modern game does that and I think it's a real shame
If you do a full season, it will all be flashbacks for me. Loved Adelaide, had me going.
i forgot this game honestly but once i saw the cockpit i remember playing it at a friends house back in the day! You need to try New Star GP the game is amazing!
Wonder if anyone’s ever thought to ask if Crammond still has the source code for his old GP games, and if he’d be willing to make it public.
He does (for GP4 anyway) and he isn't planning on releasing it. I saw it in an interview he did a few years ago
You should have stayed in 2nd gear at the Schumacher corner.
I drive it in 2nd too but it's a bit tricky corner because it's not flat.
Coincidentally, my last upload is a race in Adelaide too, the last race of my championship as Alesi
The great thing about these games is the tyre wear. No modern game has nailed it as well as these, where the tyres would gradually go off over 100% distance, to the point where you can feel yourself losing half a tenth of a second in places. It's the same with the fuel, the feeling of the weight with a full tank at the start, and then feeling the car get lighter up to the pitstop.
F1 Racing Simulation from Ubisoft did that also very good
Ah this brings back memories 😊 Another great video and would love to watch a season…how about Richie being dropped into the McLaren team as a replacement for Michael Andretti? Given the disappointment of his ‘93 season in F1, would make a cool narrative don’t you think 🤔
Rumour has it that Axelson is in negotiations with Ferrari for a potential drive in '94. 🤔
This is fantastic! It really brings back memories from when games had so much character and were crafted with care. I’m definitely going to check this out!
By the way, what wheel are you using? It looks interesting 🤔
Love to see a full season of this. Are there any plans to complete the Richie Axelson 66 season? IIRC that only got as far as Italy last time I looked.
I still have the original Microsoft Force feedback joystick . I can’t remember If that worked with these games or not.
The force feedback on that thing is amazing though. I used to love it with helicopter simulators.
As far as I know it still works. It has been packed in a box for years and years.
I used to love adding my own team with drivers as people i know friends , family lol and auto run race...great action
I play a lot of Crammond's Revs, so I'm not surprised to hear you praise the AI in his games. Revs is so good I've still not graduated to his GP games 😅. Maybe 2025 will be the year I discover 1990s racing sims.