While a deep serve is good, it isn't the only good serve. If you can master a chop serve and get good backspin on it, a short serve thrown into the mix can be killer. Sometimes I hit a chop serve and it just passes the kitchen line, barely comes up off the ground and bounces a second time before the returner can get to it. It is a serve you can throw into the mix to keep your opponent off balance but not one you use regularly like you should be doing with a deep serve. A deep serve should be your go to serve for a variety of reasons as you explain. But if you can mix it with other surprise serves, you have to know your opponent and their abilities to know what works best against them or what they struggle with the most to return.
I find lots of videos about dominating with the serve, including yours, and my congrats and thanks to you; fine job. My issue, however, is defending against a very, very low but heavy serve which can regularly hit near the back baseline with tons of top spin. (This individual has lots of skills from other sports including ranked tennis, semi-pro baseball, etc. He can spin well in both directions as well, but that makes the return easier, a bit.) My problem isn't getting a paddle on his ball, it's controlling my returns so I can reliably hit a high quality deep shot. (Blasting back wins occasional points, but of course more often it makes it hard to get to the line.) Best thing I've found so far is to be back as far as practical - (eg 2+feet back of the baseline line) - and back-spin/slice the heck out of the return, which allows me to hit it about as hard as I want without it going out too often , but at the speed of the serve that's difficult to control. BTW this is "just" recreational play but in this group most of us competed at 4.5 or so before age caught up with us. Thanks very much.
When I teach new players, I tell them if they can make the receiving player step back or shift their weight back, they have taken the first advantage. I also urge them to wait before experimenting with other serve styles until they are hitting good deep serves at about a 90+% clip. Thanks for another great video.
Randy, I completely agree with you. I might add that I try different paced and arc serves (all deep). With some opponents a slow deep serve messes up their timing as they are waiting for the ball to arrive.
Thank you very much for posting. It's so great that you have your own pickleball court. It must make your work so much easier. I also think a deep return is so important as many players start moving forward after the serve. Another great quality video.
Another great video Jordan. Your instruction is always so clear and easy to understand. And your camera placement along with the PIP so we can see different angles is also so well done and clear. I see a lot of PB instruction videos and yours are top notch.
Thank you for your concise, easy to follow instructions. So many of the others do go on and on. I followed you on over to your new channel. When I play on Sundays with a group of women, I always have your tips to share. Tomorrow I’ll be practicing serves!
I've grown around a world of tennis and the transition to Pickleball isn't all bad. I love the tips. its the technical aspects that are really making the difference in my game. i've only played less than a dozen times but the strategies are very similar. Love your court. Very nice contrasting colors.
I really like the drop serve and feel it is much more consistent for me to impart top-spin. I can also turn my hips to put some pepper on the ball to change up the serve. Thanks for your tips.
Great serve tips! Short and long serves keeps them on their toes! I really do like your stepped back drop serves to ready yourself for the return, and gives us the closed step in for added power and an experienced angled spin serve!
Great advice. Since I'm trying to play more these days (just retired) my arthritic shoulder (67yrs) keeps me from swinging real hard. Problem is for me, my deep soft serves have to have high arc to make it to the base line. Easy to return, extra time to place a return. Part of the game for me.
This video came at the perfect time! I've been having some consistency errors in my serve. Gonna go back to the basics and practice deep consistent serves, thank you👍👍
Great point to stay back against aggressive returns! I see too many creeping up after they serve and get trapped on the 3rd shot. As always all 👍 good.
Great video as usual Jordan, I would suggest that you also add or address the grip options as well as the importance and influence of trajectory on depth.
Seems like a "good" serve is absolutely essential in P-Ball. And the definition of a good serve is depth. Do you see any players say at a 4.0 or 4.5 level hitting mostly high, looping deep serves? I would imagine just having depth, no matter what the pace, would give a lot of players trouble. Great video on the importance of serving, and what's nice is height doesn't put you necessarily at a disadvantage, as in tennis.
I’ve been thinking about my serve lately as I’ve seen some interesting versions when playing at a new spot recently. This video has me convinced to stick with my standard, but tighten it up a bit with the key points in this video. Thanks!
Great videos. Already subscribed. Any suggestions on the ball holder/hopper. Which one is the one you are showing here? How do you collect the balls? Tubes?
Watching your drop serve: your right foot steps over the line as you finish the serve stroke. Isn’t that considered a fault? …thanks for all your demos and info!
Hi Jordan, have you ever experimented with planting your back foot and pivoting it against a straight front leg which lets your hips pivot as in a baseball swing. That is my sports background which I use for ground strokes as well. Thanks Mark
Hey Mark, actually I haven’t thought about that, but as long as your swing mechanics are sound and also you getting a good rotation on your serve, than that’s probably ok!
Hi Jordan, thanks for the video! So I started with a top spin serve (paddle head down) - i believe it has given me while powerful- rather inconsistent results so i had tried this serve - and while i can hit the higher, more loopy one, once i try to hit it with more power and hips rotation i seem to overshoot the baseline. Any tips on how to get the ball in with power? Thanks!
Another great video, Jordan! I look forward to all of them. I’ve been wondering how to make my serve better, and the tip about starting in a closed stance is something I haven’t been doing and will try. Mini-me looking good! What an inspiration. I think I’ll try that double-paddle technique too!!
I like to see Beginner players work on the drop serve first so they can develop the rhythm. Glad to see you incorporate that in this lesson. Perfect for lady I was working with today. She got “shared”.
Jordan, any recommendations on lightweight pickleball shoes? I've found that most court shoes are just too heavy...even the lightest ones like the Babolats are like 12+ ounces.
Court shoes are definitely heavier than regular shoes and running shoes, that is because the extra support that is needed for lateral movement. I love the Wilson Rush Pros
Jordan--very interesting that the serves you hit as drop serve demonstrations would actually have been more effective serves? Greater angle, closer to targets, deeper etc. Maybe your hard-wired, forehand-control programing off the bounce comes into play? Weird huh?
All right? I can't watch your videos because you constantly say all right after every sentence. All right? Okay? I can't watch your videos because you constantly say okay after every sentence where you don't say all right. Okay?
@@BrionesPickleball - I'll watch them if I want or until I can't stand it anymore. I guess that's easier than you correcting annoying and unprofessional verbal ticks.
While a deep serve is good, it isn't the only good serve. If you can master a chop serve and get good backspin on it, a short serve thrown into the mix can be killer. Sometimes I hit a chop serve and it just passes the kitchen line, barely comes up off the ground and bounces a second time before the returner can get to it. It is a serve you can throw into the mix to keep your opponent off balance but not one you use regularly like you should be doing with a deep serve. A deep serve should be your go to serve for a variety of reasons as you explain. But if you can mix it with other surprise serves, you have to know your opponent and their abilities to know what works best against them or what they struggle with the most to return.
For lower levels yes. This doesn’t work as well
At higher levels
Awesome tips bro, thank you
Happy to help!
I find lots of videos about dominating with the serve, including yours, and my congrats and thanks to you; fine job. My issue, however, is defending against a very, very low but heavy serve which can regularly hit near the back baseline with tons of top spin. (This individual has lots of skills from other sports including ranked tennis, semi-pro baseball, etc. He can spin well in both directions as well, but that makes the return easier, a bit.) My problem isn't getting a paddle on his ball, it's controlling my returns so I can reliably hit a high quality deep shot. (Blasting back wins occasional points, but of course more often it makes it hard to get to the line.) Best thing I've found so far is to be back as far as practical - (eg 2+feet back of the baseline line) - and back-spin/slice the heck out of the return, which allows me to hit it about as hard as I want without it going out too often , but at the speed of the serve that's difficult to control. BTW this is "just" recreational play but in this group most of us competed at 4.5 or so before age caught up with us. Thanks very much.
Yes, creating enough space is important
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When I teach new players, I tell them if they can make the receiving player step back or shift their weight back, they have taken the first advantage. I also urge them to wait before experimenting with other serve styles until they are hitting good deep serves at about a 90+% clip. Thanks for another great video.
Nice Tip !
Randy, I completely agree with you. I might add that I try different paced and arc serves (all deep). With some opponents a slow deep serve messes up their timing as they are waiting for the ball to arrive.
@@brucepotter5085 Exactly. I throw in a number of lob serves if they are starting to get dialed in on other serves and it can be humorous at times.
Good lesson.Thanks
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Thanks for all the content. As a 2 month player I have learned alot from you about the game.
Glad to hear it!
Thank you very much for posting. It's so great that you have your own pickleball court. It must make your work so much easier. I also think a deep return is so important as many players start moving forward after the serve. Another great quality video.
Thanks David !
Another great video Jordan. Your instruction is always so clear and easy to understand. And your camera placement along with the PIP so we can see different angles is also so well done and clear. I see a lot of PB instruction videos and yours are top notch.
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Very good reminder to serve deep thank you!!
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Your technique and consistency is amazing! I need to practice more to get that consistent deep accurate serve! Thanks again. Jordan!
Np Jack !
Thank you for your concise, easy to follow instructions. So many of the others do go on and on. I followed you on over to your new channel. When I play on Sundays with a group of women, I always have your tips to share. Tomorrow I’ll be practicing serves!
Thanks so much Lori!
I've grown around a world of tennis and the transition to Pickleball isn't all bad. I love the tips. its the technical aspects that are really making the difference in my game. i've only played less than a dozen times but the strategies are very similar. Love your court. Very nice contrasting colors.
Cool! Keep playing, it’s a ton of fun!!!
Thank you very much as a new player your drills help me alot with the game.😃
Thanks Erica !
Always Awesome and useful. thank you. Phoenix AZ
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Thank you Jordan.
You’re welcome Mike!
Thank you.
No problem!
I really like the drop serve and feel it is much more consistent for me to impart top-spin. I can also turn my hips to put some pepper on the ball to change up the serve.
Thanks for your tips.
Great!
If a person has a great backhand that is right handed witch side should they play ? Thanks enjoy watching
There are several different factors, but I’d actually say the left side.
@Briones Pickleball thanks for the advice an quick response thanks again..
Always great videos! My favorite PB channel! I'm going to practice this today!
Awesome Jason!
That was helpful
Thanks!
Great serve tips! Short and long serves keeps them on their toes! I really do like your stepped back drop serves to ready yourself for the return, and gives us the closed step in for added power and an experienced angled spin serve!
Thanks!
Great advice. Since I'm trying to play more these days (just retired) my arthritic shoulder (67yrs) keeps me from swinging real hard. Problem is for me, my deep soft serves have to have high arc to make it to the base line. Easy to return, extra time to place a return. Part of the game for me.
That’s still better than a hard short serve! 😎
Great Content as usual!
Thanks Vito!!
Good stuff. I’ve been working hard on being consistent with deep serves. It is helping my game!!
Awesome Beverly !
How does one decide whether to drop serve or volley serve?
It’s really preference. Try both and see what you like!
This video came at the perfect time! I've been having some consistency errors in my serve. Gonna go back to the basics and practice deep consistent serves, thank you👍👍
Awesome!
Great point to stay back against aggressive returns! I see too many creeping up after they serve and get trapped on the 3rd shot. As always all 👍 good.
Thanks Jim!!
Great video as usual Jordan, I would suggest that you also add or address the grip options as well as the importance and influence of trajectory on depth.
Thanks Paul !
I guessed it right away. 🤩👍
Nice!!! 😎
Agree 100%
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Seems like a "good" serve is absolutely essential in P-Ball. And the definition of a good serve is depth. Do you see any players say at a 4.0 or 4.5 level hitting mostly high, looping deep serves? I would imagine just having depth, no matter what the pace, would give a lot of players trouble. Great video on the importance of serving, and what's nice is height doesn't put you necessarily at a disadvantage, as in tennis.
Yes! High slow serves are great at times, they just gotta be deep.
I’ve been thinking about my serve lately as I’ve seen some interesting versions when playing at a new spot recently. This video has me convinced to stick with my standard, but tighten it up a bit with the key points in this video.
Thanks!
Awesome Mike!!
Great video! With your follow through over your left shoulder, are you not using topspin along with your pace?
This serve definitely has topspin. If you are serving correctly, you most likely will have topspin on your serve.
Great videos. Already subscribed. Any suggestions on the ball holder/hopper. Which one is the one you are showing here? How do you collect the balls? Tubes?
Pickleball tubes, and the gamma rolling hopper!
Watching your drop serve: your right foot steps over the line as you finish the serve stroke. Isn’t that considered a fault? …thanks for all your demos and info!
No. After you contact the ball, it doesn’t matter.
Good stuff
Thanks J !
Hi Jordan, have you ever experimented with planting your back foot and pivoting it against a straight front leg which lets your hips pivot as in a baseball swing. That is my sports background which I use for ground strokes as well. Thanks Mark
Great point on a return that is hit deep. Too many cheat up after they serve and get trapped with a deep, hard return.
Hey Mark, actually I haven’t thought about that, but as long as your swing mechanics are sound and also you getting a good rotation on your serve, than that’s probably ok!
@@BrionesPickleball Thanks Jordan it's always fun watching your videos and talking with you. Mark
Hi Jordan, thanks for the video! So I started with a top spin serve (paddle head down) - i believe it has given me while powerful- rather inconsistent results so i had tried this serve - and while i can hit the higher, more loopy one, once i try to hit it with more power and hips rotation i seem to overshoot the baseline. Any tips on how to get the ball in with power? Thanks!
I’d have to see your swing, unfortunately. Stay tuned, we may have opportunities for that!
Another great video, Jordan! I look forward to all of them. I’ve been wondering how to make my serve better, and the tip about starting in a closed stance is something I haven’t been doing and will try. Mini-me looking good! What an inspiration. I think I’ll try that double-paddle technique too!!
Haha, yea!!
It’d be pretty cool to see a “Briones pickleball’ logo on the tall chimney!
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Do you have continental grip or a semi western?
Between continental and eastern.
I like to see Beginner players work on the drop serve first so they can develop the rhythm. Glad to see you incorporate that in this lesson. Perfect for lady I was working with today. She got “shared”.
Awesome Paul!
Jordan, any recommendations on lightweight pickleball shoes? I've found that most court shoes are just too heavy...even the lightest ones like the Babolats are like 12+ ounces.
Court shoes are definitely heavier than regular shoes and running shoes, that is because the extra support that is needed for lateral movement. I love the Wilson Rush Pros
Jordan--very interesting that the serves you hit as drop serve demonstrations would actually have been more effective serves? Greater angle, closer to targets, deeper etc. Maybe your hard-wired, forehand-control programing off the bounce comes into play? Weird huh?
I think I can actually hit good serves off the bounce or out of the air. Same technique. Thanks for the comment!
deep sidespin serve is where it's at
Niceeeee
Was that court there when you moved in? If not, are your neighbors now asking who is the couple with the pickleball court?
I wish they sold houses like that ! Lol
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you built a pickleball court in your backyard, lol
Yes lol
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I would hate to be your neighbor. I hate pickle ball sounds
My walls are 99.7% sound proof. New Tesla wall barrier technology.
Thx but seems like you are talking too much. Get to the subject
Lol
All right? I can't watch your videos because you constantly say all right after every sentence. All right?
Okay? I can't watch your videos because you constantly say okay after every sentence where you don't say all right. Okay?
Lol, then don’t watch my videos if you can’t handle it. Thanks!
@@BrionesPickleball - I'll watch them if I want or until I can't stand it anymore. I guess that's easier than you correcting annoying and unprofessional verbal ticks.