High LDL Cholesterol = Lower Risk of Death: NEW 22 Year Study
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- A 22-year follow-up study involving 177,000 individuals reveals that low LDL cholesterol is associated with higher cardiovascular-specific mortality, challenging conventional beliefs about cholesterol management.
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----------------------------------------Show Notes-------------------------------------
0:00 Intro
0:04 22 Year Study
0:22 Study Title
0:52 Study Findings
1:52 Probability of survival
2:12 Counterintuitive Findings
3:42 High LDL and odds of death
3:59 U-Shaped Curve
5:50 Metabolic Health
6:34 Study of 177,000 people
8:09 Lowest risk of mortality
9:17 Watch this!
11:01 Lipid paradox
I have been living with LDL around 160 for 50 years and I am fine so far. This discovery confirms my belief that my LDL level is OK for me so I never take any statin 👍
No to statins....!!!
@@kevjackson3501 Say no to MRNA too. Linked to heart problems.
if drugs are your concern, some supplements are very efficacious too. Was at 100 lowered to 60 while improving my HDL
I need to read the article. Were those with low ldl on statins? Prior heart attack then put on statin?
Mine has been around or just over 200 since I had it first checked in high school. I'm now 56 and fine. The crap recommended diet advice for decades did all the damage.
My doctor informed me that my LDL cholesterol was on the high side, despite being slim, working out and having no health problems. Two years ago, she insisted that I undergo a cardiac cat scan on my heart to see if I had blockage in my arteries. The test yield zero blockage and a heart age of 39. I was 71 when I took the test. I no longer have my blood screened for cholesterol.
I’ll be 70 in a few months, take zero medications and haven’t had lab work for over thirty years. I’ll never take a statin. I eat a mostly carnivore lifestyle, but avoid processed foods or processed oils. I cook everything in butter
Exactly same situation as me. I checked my CR-p inflammation and LPa genetic were fine. No 80mg lipitor for me😊
I was 25, a vegetarian, running marathons, cholesterol was 120, my LDL was high, and still high 33 years later. The VA is still pushing the low fat, low cholesterol scam.
High on HDL and LDL. Doctor tried to put me on statins, even after I told him I wouldn't take any life long medications. Dropped him. 56, bike at least 30 mi a week and run at least 4 mi a week. Don't eat bread rice or noodles and never ever eat anything with vegetable or seed oils. Going on 30 years since a fast food and 15 or more years without soft drinks. Primarily a meat eater, while almost all carbs come from whole fruit or vegetables.
I’ll be 70 in a few months. The last time I had my lab work done was about 30 years ago. I eat a carnivore diet. I take no medication do not have high blood pressure, all the statins are a huge scam. Processed foods and sugar are killing people.
It has nothing to do with eating red meat. In fact, it’s quite the contrary.
LDL moves fats and fat soluble nutrients from the liver to cells of the body. HDL recycles fats and fat soluble nutrients from the periphery back to the liver. LDL and HDL particles are made by the body for nutrient transport. Cholesterol is good and protective.
So what caused the rise in heart disease over the past 100 years? Sugar. Rancid seed oils. Smoking. Essential nutrient deficiencies. Sedentary lifestyles.
Yes... Another KEY ISSUE... AVOID CHRONIC INFLAMMATION...! 🙂👍
+ rubber soled shoes, non native emf + artificial light, lots of changes in last 100 contributing
Seed oils in general, high in linoleic acid, replacing saturated fats have completely disregulated human metabolism causing metabolic syndrome. The disregulation of chemical signalling when eating has caused metabolic inflexibility leading to impaired ability to burn glucose.
Sugar is a culprit for sure. So,
is that where the particle size testing comes from? Lately, I've run across several posts or articles saying the numbers are not that as important. They say it's the rupturing of a plaque and it traveling to cause a blockage or attack. And that a statin coates or seals and protects the plaque. Wonder what your thoughts are on those?
I had a sedetive lifestyle and high inflammation. I did exercises but next to that i always was sitting. Plus not eating well, not sleeping well, lots of stress for almost 20yrs. Now i have plaque in my vaines and need a stent.
As long as blood sugars and triglycerides are low you're good with high LDL
Yes... Another KEY ISSUE... AVOID CHRONIC INFLAMMATION...! 🙂👍
that's my experience
Yup, my ldl is high, triglycerides are good and fasting sugar good . 47/86, respectively. The former could be higher.
My ldl is 190
Exercise is much more important than diet. 3 to 10 times more important.
I'm 41. My LDL =171, HDL=81, Triglycerides=42, Total chol=260. She said she has to put me on statins. I said no and told her to give me 4 months. Im not taking no statins. Nope...
My doctor won’t admit that he knows this about LDL but is obviously slowly distancing himself from it by just not saying anything about my LDL being 145 with a total of 233. The word is getting out.
The dissonance of being wrong for so long can be a bit much for many doctors ego.
It’s not doctors that are the problem. It’s the political groups AMA CDC ADA WHO and Medicare that are not following the science.
@@UnsensitiveNormal people would probably feel bad for giving out incorrect medical information too (ego but on the ethics side rather than pride). There’s also the challenge of remapping one’s entire cognitive architecture that establishment = correct.
@@Unsensitivenot just that, they are pressured to adhere to " standards of care" by hospitals and insurance companies
@@catocall7323 YES!!!! THIS IS THE BIGGEST REASON THEY PUSHED THE JUNK, COVER THERE A!!! STANDARDS AN INS. STANDARDS WAY F UP!!
It's the cholesterol myth.
But it makes pharma a lot of money so they won't let it go easily.
Lipoprotein a is the key, that should be measured
“Trust the science” but, the science flips every few decades. Yea, I’ll just make my own decisions and be accountable and responsible for my own health and life.
Science is not the problem. It’s the interpretation of finding.
I had to force my dr to write me a script to get a CAC test. They hated that I stopped taking my statin because of muscle pain side effect. I paid $85 for it and it took 30 minutes total. I eat grass fed beef, bison, venison, pasture raised eggs. I also eat limited amounts of chicken and turkey breast. Cook with macadamia nut and coconut oils along with butter from grass fed cows. I’m not on keto just a balanced diet of about 40% protein, 30% carbs and fat. I weight train intensely 4 times a week. My dr said my overall cholesterol was 11 points too high. After I got the CAC score (before the dr) my score was 0. I had absolutely nothing in my arteries. The dr STILL tried to get me back on the statin. I told her flat out I don’t give a shit what the cholesterol score was because none of it is sticking to my arteries. Don’t let your dr push their own agenda or bully you into something about YOUR body. They work for YOU. If they don’t like it fire them and find another one.
Amen.
Btw i love tbe "train intensely" part. That keeps a man healthy, I feel
@@Governemntistheproblem sure does. Always sacrifice training volume for intensity.
My first cardiologist fired me as a patient because I told him I had horrible pains from the statin. Of course I quit the statins after about 4-6wks. My new cardiologist at the time, Dr. Nadir Ali, told me the best thing I did was to stop the statin.
same with my doc. higher LDL everything else is fine. I said no thanks to the statin. He’s not happy with me but knows there is nothing he can say to make me change my mind.
With me it is simpler. My cardiologist looks at my eyes after checking my LDL numbers and the fierceness of my stare gets him to go " I wont propose a statin because you will refuse it anyway. Do what you want, it is on you" 😂😂
Very encouraged about this study. My husband has lost 50 lb and is eating a much lower carb diet. His Doctor is taking him off of his blood pressure medication, because he's doing so well. His triglycerides were cut in half and his HDL raised several points. The problem is his LDL went up to 262 and his doctor freaked out, and she wants him to take a statin. He has a CAC score of 500 and was headed towards a heart attack ,so I'm so thankful he made the necessary changes! If only we could find a doctor that was familiar with proper labs to draw and be an encouragement of this lifestyle. 🤷🏼♀️
Yes, finding a local doctor who understands all this is very difficult. I've used online resources that help you find low carb friendly doctors near you, and the closest to me is over 30 miles away. 🙁
LDL goes up when u lose weight and body fat,because ur body sends it into the bloodstream to be burnt for energy...this is totally normal. Look it up
The main issue with finding a good Doc who understands the modern research is not necessarily the distance away (I'd be more than will to drive 30 to 50 miles a couple times a year), it's the fact that very few will take insurance. They are on a cash basis due to insurance companies not paying for the necessary blood work and other treatments because it's not "standard of care". If you can pay and are willing to pay cash, there are plenty of doctors that understand this modern research.
Hey, try to get a PET scan or ct angiogram.We just did this for my spouse, who is also low carb, but has a scary CAC score and high ldl. His PET scan showed clear arteries ie no narrowing and perfectly normal LVEF, so his risk of heart attack went from 30% based on the CAC to basically nil.
We have ditched the ldl lowering meds. Not needed. High ldl is not the same as heart disease. Get further imaging. PET is good when you have high CAC, but CT angiogram might be fine because the score is less than 1000.
Good luck to you!
I’m sure you and many others are realizing we have to be the advocates for our health. I know I’ve learned this over the last few years. We can’t just trust the doctor to have the answer. The patient needs to research their illness and bring questions/opinions to the table for the doctor to hear.
This is great information. I just had my bloodwork done this week after 80 days on carnivore. My LDL is 175, total cholesterol is 255. I am happy with that. Triglycerides on on the way down, currently 94.
First 55 years of my life always Total cholesterol of 180, low fat diet and I got sick even though I am athletic. 4 years ago I went ketogenic animal based foods diet with veggies, fermented foods, nuts, olives Dark chocolate berries and now total cholesterol is 280, LDL 190, HDL 70, triglycerides 52, vLDL 3 and I've never felt better and all blood markers look great but Doc says we have to do something about high LDL and I said No we don't ! It's just fine ! I have not been sick once since going on a ketogenic diet !
my ldl is 243, my dr having a tizzy fit. Im not worried. My triglycerides, HDL and a1c are good, dr ordered a CTA SCAN as she says Im a walking heart attack, lol. I was diagnosed with CAD back in 2005, did vegan, did keto etc to lose weight, unsuccessful went carnivore over a year ago, lost 35lbs and can deal with the osteoarthritis now, better eyesight, nerve endings coming back to life, feel so much better now, never will be 100% like in my 20’s but at 64, feel better than I have in years.
Who told you to go on a carnivore diet? Why do you think your LDL is so high?
@@dan-qe1tb I went on a carnivore diet a year ago February for health reasons I’ve lost over 35 pounds. My osteoarthritis is not near as bad as what it was. My eyesight has improved. I’m healthier now than I have been in a long time. Still dealing with the osteoarthritis but at least now it’s tolerable. I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I’ll never eat anything but meat again.
@PlainOleChelle
Keto (carb
This is good info! I just had my yearly physical and they told me I had elevated LDL cholesterol. I was just thinking I’m literally the healthiest I’ve ever been in my whole life. I eat a 80% high protein whole food diet, workout 3-5 times a week, do daily mobility and stretching, and meditate. I’ve lost 70 lbs and kept it off over the last 4 years, slowly and steadily and for the first time in 8 years I’m a healthy weight. I was a little confused on why all of a sudden this was elevated when at my unhealthiest my only bloodwork problem was elevated blood sugar levels. Thank you for easing my mind 😊
Just say No to all vaccines. No no no to all forms of Statins. Bye 👋👋😊
You can find lots of information on RUclips on the subject (Drs. David Diamond, Paul Mason, Ben Binkman, and Nina Teicholz(recent PhD)). Dr. Teicholz wrote a book, The Big Fat Surprise, in which she talks about the sordid history of the lipid hypothesis.
@@johnow7 thank you 😊 I’ll start looking into these! I’ve learned so much in the last few years about health and have much more to learn 😊
Have your doctor do a cardio, IQ and full lipid panel instead of just the basic cholesterol test. That test will show you the pattern and size of your cholesterol which is more important than just the basic number.
What is an 80% high protein whole foods diet
Mine is 155 and total of 225, my Dr. told me he'd like to put me on statins, I told him unless my total gets to 800 I would NEVER go on statins. Turns out most people say my numbers are PERFECT!!
Excellent information! I’m 71 years old and my LDL is 127. Now I feel relieved that I have healthy LDL level.
Breakfast isn't the most important meal of the day....
Eight years on a low carbohydrate high fat diet and several doctors until I found one willing to be open minded, I finely went to a Cardiologist who upon seeing my blood work, removed his glasses and coat and said, “tell me more about your high fat diet.” He never saw an HDL ratio so high and a triglyceride level so low combined with a blood glucose level in the lower range, combined with 81 pounds of weight loss in a year. I highly recommend DNA testing to see what ones APOE is to verify what diet is most compatible to you in advance . No surprise to me, mine came back APOE near 2, high fat diet.It’s great that studies are finally coming to light on this matter!
Docs been pushing statin on me for 2 years and will never take.
same here. I had to fire him. He just couldn't get it. Every appointment the same statin bs.
In my family we're sensitive to most medications. Statins made my uncle go into immediate psychosis. Hard pass on my end. Even with this information docs have been pushing statins since my mid 40s. I've fired multiple docs over it.
Don’t take it! I have statin intolerance. It hurts my muscles.
Same with me Im 77 and GP tried to get me on statins but Ive stuck to my guns so pleased to read a lot of people feel the same as me
@@cthornton523makes sense. Your brain makes its own cholesterol so the cholesterol in your brain isn't the same that's in your body. But statins lower cholesterol everywhere. Including in your brain! So his brain literally wasn't able to function. Bet his Dr didn't warn him about that hm.
Curious to see how the medical community will navigate admitting their advice may be harming patients.
I agree but sadly I don’t think most will admit wrong. Very hard for some people to admit fault
“…may be harming…” Dr’s take the hypocratic oath in order to qualify for their degree. 1. First, do no harm 2. Food is medicine
@@rinohunter6190 That is the oath but sadly hasn’t been the case since John D. Rockefeller took over western medicine as the basis of all the wrong doctoral training in this country.
Sadly, as a member of the medical profession, I can tell you that the vast majority of the medical community will not navigate this at all, as they are unlikely to come by this sort of truthful information. We are still being fed the old Big Pharma narrative “LDL-cholesterol Bad, Statins Good” and the truth about cholesterol and statins is simply (thus far) not acknowledged in “mainstream” medicine.
I always say if you want to be Metabolically healthy, do exactly the opposite of the AHA and ADA recommendations and avoid their Standard American Diet and sugar loaded and processed carbohydrate rich Food Pyramid..
Thank you so much for this!. I'm so sick of doctors talking about high cholesterol. I compared my numbers to this, and I have the most optimal numbers possible. Such a relief. I'm sticking to my heavy whipping cream, fatty meats, and veggies.
Studies show that 99% of doctor will put 100% of patients on Statins. Studies show that writing more drug prescriptions increase the health of a doctor's income.
My LDL 99, HDL 101, TRIGLYCERIDES 60, TOTAL CHOLESTEROL 211. I'm 54.
Rephrase what the doctor would say: "Your LDL is so low, I'm gonna make a lot of money from you."
Actually, David, that’s not entirely fair. Very few primary care docs are motivated by money - if they were, they would be doing Plastic Surgery or Ophthalmology, and of course primary care physicians don’t make money by prescribing. The problem is that physicians have been very successfully brainwashed for decades into truly believing the old cholesterol and statin narrative, and the fault here lies with Big Pharma and with the research papers produced by researchers directly influenced by Big Pharma - it’s very hard for most physicians to come to terms with the falseness of this narrative (and I can tell you this as I am a primary care physician who has been anti-statin since the late 1980’s).
All you need to realize is that ldl travels all throughout the body yet atherosclerosis is only found in the arteries in highly predictable locations so clearly it is not the cause.
My cholesterol was over 300, so I got suckered into taking a statin. My gut is now in a hell of a mess. Going to give up the statins & just gonna roll with it. 😇
Going to???
Start eating healthy
My LDL was 196 but low Triglycerides good HDL, but total is 297. My doc was trying to put me on Statins. I told him I felt strongly against going on Statins so I offered to get a Coronary Calcium Scan. It was zero. Nuff said.
Statins suck! I changed my diet and I am doing great. Good luck to you.
@@debsylvester2012 what exactly you chenged because my ldl is 245
Good news ! I have high level of LDL and HDL but low triglycerides.
A couple of months ago, I told my doctor I had quit taking the statin. She said, "Okay." and made a note in my file. That was it, no pushback. My LDL spiked when I went keto, and that's when I started the statin a couple of years ago. Now, I know better.
Look up dr. Nadeeer Ali, Texas. He says high ldl is normal with keto and is nothing to worry about.
You can have NMR lipoprofile test to check the cholesterol particle size. My ldl spiked too when I started to do intermittent fasting . Dr Nadeer explains that very well.
Great study. I’m almost 70 and take zero medications. I’ll never take a statin, eat a mostly carnivore lifestyle. I’m in healthcare and most of the patients we operate on for coronary disease, have normal serum lipids. What we most often see is inflammation in and around the target coronary artery.
Thanks for helping humanity waking up
Mike I really appreciate your content.
Framingham heart study follow up also found correlation between low ldl and high mortality for subjects over 55.
Framingham improperly collated data by grouping ranges poorly. The middle points of the graph used ranges of about 30 units while the final graph point has a range of nearly 1000 units.
Sally Fallon Morrell goes into this in her Oiling of America presentation I believe.
Yes, people dying from cancer have low LDL. Low LDL did not kill them.
@@denofpigs2575 Hi. Sally Fallon doesn't seem to have any background in statistics. Is that correct? I might've missed something somewhere.
This same scenario exists where unhealthy blood pressure, a1c, and bmi look good for better mortality. Diseased state lowers cholesterol. Dr Gil Carvalho discusses this cholesterol paradox ruclips.net/video/a3lHHnOHyr8/видео.htmlsi=_mbwBJC4BKqJCUme
@@broccoli7263 I don't have a background in being a chicken but I can still take care of chickens.
LDL 200, HDL 64, Trig 76. I have coronary artery disease due to a high calcium score. I also have AFib and a pacemaker. I've been ketovore for 5 years and have lost 100 lbs. All of my heart problems have started since my keto diet began. I know it's not my diet, I'd probably be dead had I not started eating this way but remember, other factors in our environment cause chronic disease not just diet. I am a walking testament to this at only 57 years.
Terrific content. Much appreciation. Thanks.
Love your commentary!
Wow! Same here! I am age 61 with ldl at 160, HDL 94 and triglycerides at 56 and I'm pretty happy with this. Unfortunately, if I show this to my doc. it won't change his mind about a low dose statin. Glad I've stuck to my guns on the statins with my risk factors for Alzheimer's. 👍 Love your content. Thanks!
Excellent numbers!!! Take your total cholesterol/HDL and it should be 5 or less(lower the better.) I'm sure this will also be excellent!!!
What does your diet consist of? Do you exercise? I just wanna know what you did to get those great numbers. Thanks.
@@orlinserdarov5338 I've been using the Ketogenic diet for 6 years, I fast for 16 to 18 hours with a 6 to 8 hour window for eating. I usually go 18 hours and I find that the idea of eating, up until about the 17th hour of fasting, food in general is unappealing to me. I usually get a little hungrier around the 17th hour of fasting I find. I could not have imagined this 6years ago when I started this journey. I almost always make my own food so I actually know what I'm consuming. I like cooking/ baking so it's easy for me that way. I do yoga or Pilates almost every day and I walk my dogs around our hilly neighborhood a few hours after dinner. That's it . I was definitely at least the pre-diabetic before all of this. Always I was on the lean side and would get on the treadmill or tread climber but I felt pretty crappy and had very little energy, I was susceptible to infections and illness before I decided to make this change. Unfortunately I don't have any bloodwork #'s to compare to from back then but I used to bake lots of cakes, cookies, etc. so I can only imagine.
You will be "happy"with your high values till you get your stroke. Then you realize how much BS this video is. Sorry to say.
GREAT VIDEO.. THANKS Much...! 🙂👍👍
We cannot thank you enough for this intense baptism by fire approach with the data that is finally pouring out, Mike!
Thanks again Mike!
It’s now open season for negligently under researching clinicians that refuse to be instructed by you, Mike!
Lol. No one negligently under researches like Mike.
Once again thank you for important info on very current health issues.
TC 236, triglycerides 88,
HDL 67, LDL 159
68 years young and just saying NO to statins
Limited carbs and sugars
Meats and veggies
Walking daily has decreased weight and made me feel great
Triglyceride/ HDL 1.3 ng)dl excellent
Excellent I’m 50 and my numbers are very close to yours thanks!
Thank you sincerely, for highlighting further facts, that assist us all, in learning about our body.
All we can do is try. I’m 52. 6’2 190. Jog a couple miles daily and 30 minutes of weights. I eat various protein with a little fruits and vegetables every day. Black berries and blue berries daily. Salmon a lot, along with steak and eggs. I only drink water. I avoid sugar. LDL around 140. HDL around 40. Trigs around 130. Blood sugar around 75. I had all the coronary scans done 2 years ago just to see. No issues. I have no gut, and my 34 pants fall off without a belt. Some of this stuff is just genetic. My numbers have stayed basically the same for 20 years. HDL never goes up. I take no meds. It is what it is.
Get your hsCRP checked.
That looks for inflammation throughout your body. The lower the better. It's a good indicator of future heart attacks.
Your triglycerides are considered high, but yeah you may just have the right genes to prevent atherosclerosis.
Reverse causality could be an issue here. Many people in their last year of life (e.g., most cancer patients) have very low LDL. If you exclude them and focus only on relatively healthy people, the curve might change or even flip. This is why we don't trust observational studies; they don't tell us anything about what causes what.
@andreinikiforov2671, WOW you are an optimist! You are 100% right, but nobody is going to listen to you, people believe what they want to, no matter the evidence. Most folks are not scientists, so must rely on "authorities" to reach their conclusions. Sadly, most folks don't know how to read studies. The studies here are trash, generated by fringe doctors who advocate the "high ldl doesn't matter" position. Just look at the list of authors... most people won't. If you are going to rely on "authority", be careful whom you choose to believe. If your finanacial statement was generated by a known "sticky fingers" accountant, would you trust it? Same here. Know, that folks like Diamond have an agenda.
But the biggest issue is that folks don't know how to evaluate studies. It's not like the authors here have to lie in order for you to reach the wrong conclusions. Already Mark Twain observed, "there are lies, d@mn lies, and statistics". Take the fact that the best survival is not lowest LDL, but 100-190. That's a fact, not a lie. But that's according to what? STATISTICS. And there's the rub. Statistics. Because that doesn't mean that you should shoot for 100-190 for best survival. You must know how you got those statistics. Most low LDL is due to disease, so of course if you incorporate those into the overall numbers, it'll shift the "optimal" to a higher LDL. Or like the other observational study about hospital heart attack survival. Yep, low LDL - the sickest people - had worse survival odds, but does that mean that low LDL is the cause? No, and quite the opposite. Analogy: if you had a "bandages are bad" advocates, who observed - people with bandages have worse health and lower survival odds. OK, that's true, just as true as "low LDL, more death". But would you reach the conclusion "therefore rip people's bandages off!"... no you would not. That's at the heart of these statistics. They mislead, unless you know how to read them, and ALSO examine the alternative studies.
The studies here are observational studies, what do other studies show, which directly test the LDL hypothesis? People who due to genetics happen to have naturally low LDL have zero atherosclerosis, and live longer lives than average (see certain groups of such folks in Italy). People who have high LDL due to genetics (FHC), drop like flies from infractions due to atherosclerosis, the higher the LDL, the worse, with some heart attacks occuring in children as young as 3 to 6 years old - too young to have high blood pressure, inflammation etc.. It's the LDL. And you have direct interventional studies. Divide people into two groups - one where you treat to lower the LDL level (almost regardless of how high/low it is initially!), and one which you do not. The one with the lowered LDL has less plaque, less events and longer survival. If the low LDL is because of disease, yep, you are going to die sooner. If the low LDL is because we brought it lower without disease, you live longer and healthier. Case closed. LDL - or more accurately ApoB, is directly causative in atherosclerosis and the higher the worse. We all have NATURALLY the lowest LDL when we are children - in the 25-35 range, and never have heart attacks... unless we are the unlucky ones with high LDL in which case, yep, you get an attack at 6 years old. Folks who are genetically lucky to maintain that child level of LDL 25-35, live free of atherosclerosis, and live longer than the average.
I for one, am extremely happy to have access to statins. I take atorvastatin gratefully and happily. Does that mean that all medication that lowers ApoB (or LDL) is good, or that everyone should take it? NO. There are people whose bodies can't handle statins, absolutely true - unlucky people, too bad for them. They should absolutely not take statins, and statins should not be recommended to them. Also, even if your body can handle statins - statins have side effects, the worst of which is sugar control, and if unlucky, you can develop diabetes, which is a serious side effect indeed. But, IF YOUR BODY CAN HANDLE statins, overall, the net result is still beneficial, because they lower ApoB (LDL etc.). Best is to be genetically lucky with naturally low LDL, second best is to take lipid lowering meds (statins, pcsk9 inhibitors etc.)... side effects of meds, that's why it's SECOND best. If you can lower your LDL through diet and lifestyle, all the better. But whatever you do, lower your ApoB (LDL etc.) - that's what the science says. Does that mean that LDL is the ONLY factor in causing atherosclerosis? No. But it still does, and does it all on its own. High blood pressure, inflammation etc.? Sure. But it's like having a leaky boat - one big hole is high LDL, it doesn't mean that *more* holes (high BP, inflammation etc.) are not going to make the boat sink faster, but the high LDL hole is still taking in water all by itself, even if there were no other holes. Now, we don't know EVERYTHING about lipids - because there are individuals who despite sky-high LDL live long and healthy lives, through a quirk of genetics (or environment?). But those are rare - do you want to take a chance? It's like jogging at night on a freeway in black clothing - 999 joggers would get hit by a car behind a curve in the road, but there is that one guy who got lucky and didn't get hit. Would you point to him and say "see, jogging on a freeway at night is healthy!"? No you would not. Go with the science - overwhelmingly, high LDL is going to be bad for you. Lower it, if you can. Meanwile you get all those high LDL folks who say I feel fine - same as the guy who jumped off the roof of the skyscraper and on the way down waved to all the people in the windows on the floors below, shouting "so far so good!"... what can you say... nothing I guess, won't convince him, all you can do is wave back a happy wave. Oh, and one in 10,000 will survive the fall, and all the other guys eager to jump will point to him and scream "see, it's fine!".
Of course, people don't care, and don't read studies and don't analyze and don't think about statistics. So it's like shouting into the wind - not worth the effort, which is why I almost never do it... I did it here, because you are such an optimist, hoping that someone can be saved from the misinformation. You can't, for the most part. As Andy Warhol said "you can't tell people anything". In the end, why should I care? You do you. If you want to believe high LDL is the bees knees, and don't want to lower it, fine. You do you. I will keep on taking my statins, you do AS YOU WISH. The information is out there - reach your own conclusions. I just feel sorry for the good folks who are sadly being misinformed, but you can't save everyone, and certainly not the willfull denialists. If this effort of my comment saves even one person, I'm happy.
Smart comment. Thank you
Thank you for this information.
This is really a breaking information. Thank you❤
Great video!
Thank you for bringing us this important information. Thumbs UP
Excellent review.
This makes me so happy! Finally I have something solid to show to my doctor when she starts ragging on my high LDL.
My HDL is super high, Triglycerides super low, A1C is low, metabolically healthy!
Wohoo
An HDL over 80 is indicating it’s not healthy just FYI
I have had high cholesterol (over 200) for most of my life. No statins. My LDL reached 190, total ch: 270, trig: 324, and BP 150/90. I got a coronary calcium scan of 579 8 years ago at age 70. A bad score is 400, meaning usually 2 arteries are over 90 percent blocked. I had complete ED, GERD, and prostate enlargement. My doctor wanted me on statins and visit the cardiologist immediately. I asked him instead to give me 6 weeks, I wanted to try Dr. Esselstyn's whole food plant-exclusive diet. He said ok, but come back for a blood test in 6 weeks so we can see what it does, if anything. In 6 weeks the test showed: total ch: 165, bsugar 5.9, LDL 90, trig: 78, BP: 110/70. My protein levels on the meat diet were 10 out of 100, on the plant diet 50 out of 100, without any protein supplementation at all, just the proteins from beans, whole grains, potatoes (they have 9 percent protein). The protein thing baffled him, but I figured it out: the body was making carbs out of my meat to feed my brain, converting my 20 dollar steaks into 20 cents worth of sugar, screwing me, in other words. The plants come with good carbs along with the protein so the body leaves it alone. Has to be. Anyway, by now most of my ED is gone without any drugs, meaning the arteries down there have opened up somewhat, and by implication, the ones on my heart, the coronary arteries probably have opened as well. ED is the canary in the coal mine for heart disease, they say nowadays. Esselstyn's diet showed 100 percent results in small interventional studies (2 of them). Now here's my point: I don't know, and the arguments go on, about what causes coronary artery disease, but the treatment with the whole food plant-exclusive diet seems to work well enough, case after case, that Baye's Theorem predicts that the results are likely to be true, despite a small sample size. Had there been variations in the sample results then you'd need a larger sample, but when they are close to perfect in a sample, in one sample 18 out of 18, the other one 176 out of 177, it's very likely to be true for the whole population (coronary artery patients).
With that analysis using Bayesian statistics, I'd have been foolish NOT to do it. So, for me at least, the cure is known without knowing fully the cause, which everyone argues about. Doing a diet that is the opposite from the plant diet may also work, or something else might work, this has strong evidence compared with the rest.
I couldn't afford to gamble with my life, so took this road, which isn't easy, but I do feel great, lost and kept off 40 lbs, protein still at 50/100, perfect score, and well,,, FWIW, I'm sharing that to anyone who will listen so they know this option exists. It's a very strict WHOLE plant food diet with no added oil, little salt, low or no sugar. I may not be typical, but I'd rather eat like a heart patient than become one, and so far, I'm still free of that diagnosis, my risks having dropped close to zero.
My doctor asks that I come in once a year for a test, and that's it the last 8 years. He's amazed, says he can't match this with anything he knows of. At 78, I'm still on zero meds, and my cholesterol has now dropped to 147. Framingham says below 150 nobody gets heart attacks. I don't know what to "believe" but with a dire prognosis, you look for the best available balance of evidence of a cause, but there is disagreement. So, I instead chose a treatment that resulted in all the patients, many critically ill with less than a year to go, still alive 20 and more years later. What are the odds I'd be the only one where it didn't work? It may NOT work for everyone, but...here's the point: when someone says it doesn't work, it always turns out they didn't do the diet, or changed it somehow. You have to do it his way, not your version of his way. I've got 8 years of evidence while he's got more than 35 now.
People may criticize Esselstyn, but when you're up against it, you can do it just in case he's right, and see easily in 6 weeks. Hell, you may not even be able to schedule a non-emergency bypass for 6 weeks. So, you could schedule it, then not need it anymore before it's due!
I learned many things about how to eat what I need to and skip the rest. It comes down to environmental control, it's not about willpower at all. Keep the house clear of junk, only whole plant foods, fresh, canned, frozen, cooked or raw, on hand. If it's in your house, it's in your mouth, so control the door not yourself, you're hopeless if you're like me. When out, ask them to make you something that fits, they usually will, and be happy to do so. There are no restrictions on quantities you eat, so long as it's whole plants, not processed foods, and no avocados or coconuts. No oil for the heart patients, for those without the diagnosis, you can have it, though.
People who really are under the gun look for more than explanations, they want a path of action, and once the dust clears, the supplements and alternatives disappear and it then usually comes down to a doctor asap. But a typical doctor, in my case, would have been flying economy at first class rates. Dr. Esselstyn turned out for me to be flying first class for free! You can look all this up from here, it's Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn MD, he's one of the stars of the movie Forks Over Knives.
Just had my yearly physical.
TC-289
LDL-212
HDL-69
TRI-57
VLDL-8
All other blood work was perfect.
I’ve lost 25# and feel better now than I have in years. Getting calls from Doc and nurses wanting to put me on statin.
Lol...I went carnivore and my labs are very similar to yours. Dr trying to get me to take a statin. Nope.
Great info😊
Thanks very informative
Great info! My cholesterol has always been "high". Currently between 200 and 260. I eat super clean. Thanks specifically for the autoimmune comment. I had never put that together before but it makes total sense
A doctor warned me about triglycerides in 1989. I have been diabetic since 1988. My blood pressure remains chronically normal, and cholesterol chronically "high". When I was 61, the cardiologist was astounded because my coronary arteries were in a pristine state, "like the coronary arteries of an infant," were the words of the cardiologist. I have eaten a steady diet of eggs, steaks & burgers, and limitless butter for all of my adult life. (I am 72) I have avoided margerine, vegetable shortening, and plant/seed oils for decades, with the exception of organic olive & coconut oils. Doctors always say my cholesterol is too high. They prescribe statins. I refuse to take them. My mother ate plenty of butter and meat too for all of her 91 years. She never took statins.
Yeah yeah we heard these bs stories 🤡
Excellent studies , thank you !!!!!!! ... .
This was so helpful. My total cholesterol is 165 but LDL-C is 100 (triglycerides are 68 and HA1C is 52). I found this video while looking for WHAT TO DO about my high LDL-C! Now I'm thinking it needs to be a little higher for longevity! 😊
great info
This is so not going to be the last LDL cholesterol video.
Not as long as there is the medical establishment..
@@TorqueMonsterAWDAnd people that still trust the lies and BS they push.
Thank you!
When we are seeing high HDL in observational data, it means we are finding the exercisers/muscle users and the good effect of exercise on mortality. But when we are raising the HDL via medication, we are not actually increasing the exercise and hence we are not seeing the benefit.
Honestly, I question the credibility of the mainstream journals more than some of the others.
LDL is 102 with low dose statin 5 mg. asked him yesterday to go to lowest dose Crestor 2.5 mg this study shows that my hunch was right. HDL 60 Triglycerides 65 Thanks so much this will empower me with my cardiologist.
This is great. So appreciate you interpreting these results for us. We now know not to panic like our docs can. Thankfully many of us decide not to go on statins when we don’t need to. Imagine all those taking meds when not needed?!?
I am waiting for my test results & will compare with your talk. This is all new very good information.
Very interesting information. Would like to have analysis on the overall validity of the data and what other studies corroborate this trend. But as someone whose LDL has crept up lately (although HDL/ Triglycerides are OK) this is helpful. And most interesting is that the extremes, to low OR too high are problematic but there is a middle ground that the body likely if otherwise healthy figures out is what works.
Mike, Oxidation of LDL particle is the issue. How do we stop from doing that. Seed oil consumption oxidizes those particles. Become small, dense, inflamatory, then scaring on endothelial lining. Dave Feldman has done great work on this
excessive sugar consumption does the same as well.
Hi. Can you show me any good long-term studies showing seed oils cause inflammation? Thanks.
@@broccoli7263hi
So there is a group called "Zero Acre Farms". Excellent US Gov data and other Trial-Peer reviewed stuff. Nina Teicholz among other do good objective data shares
@@SniperMonkehYah know, I demonized sugar after my Heart Attack at 52. Carbs...but after more study, while not metabolically good for us, extra weight, High Triglycerides. Its not the oxidizing powerhouse of modern seed oils. Linoleic acid is inflammatory period. Add all the toxic chems they use to put on shelf. Trifecta
My cholesterol on keto is: TC 371, LDL 273, TG 63, HDL 91. Now 3 weeks on lion diet, will be interesting to see how these numbers move in a few months.
It takes some time for the body to down regulate the production of LDL. Your LDL is probably gonna be super high for a while. Keep the faith.
I have been on intermittent (6/18) LCHF for over 3 years now. I am almost 52 years old. Latest data (six months ago) TC 320, TG 26, HDL 85. Blood pressure 115-125/75-80, pulse 48-54. Six months ago, I did a Doppler ultrasound of the heart and blood vessels - no worries. The arteries are clean. So it works. I don't go to doctors - it's okay.
Your diet is responsible for a 20% swing. So if you turned vegan tomorrow, your HDL/LDL would only be 20% lower which would still leave you 'high'. You may be in an anomalous group of people with naturally high cholesterol
@@maximlevytsky What was your LDL?
@@maximlevytsky Those are fantastic numbers!!! Especially at 52!!!
Watching for the link to this study. Thanks
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38548371/ , Kip, KE, et al, “Is LDL cholesterol associated with long-term mortality among primary prevention adults? A retrospective cohort study from a large healthcare system”
Great show as always Mike thank you. Q: does your medical chest sheet show what the ratios of ldl to Dhl and to triglycerides should be? Can you tell me what they are? Thanks Mike.
Absolutely loved the contractor/physician analogy. Spot on.
Actually it's a very flawed statement to throw out a number ($40K) but not say what the contractor will do and what kind of windows he will install. It says nothing about experience, expertise, workmen, insurance , satisfied customers etc.
jacked Brother. looking good
It looks like for some time, that in many fields of human activity, narratives are more real than reality. Keep up your awesome job of removing the cloak of invisibility and misguidance that has been laid on them. Thank you!
Most cardiologists are sales engineers for big pharma...
3 months of testing for GP, endocrinologist, cardiologist, no evidence of CVD, high LDL at 58 years young they want me on a statin! I told them to blow!
Our study has limitations. First, we were unable to assess cause-specific mortality which would have provided additional insight into the relationship between LDL-C and CVD mortality. Similarly, our assessment of risk of ASCVD in relation to baseline LDL-C levels is based on ascertainment of events within UPMC hospitals and not external facilities-there is certainly some unknown level of ascertainment of ASCVD events. Second, we chose the index date for follow-up mortality assessment to begin 1 year after baseline cholesterol measurement to ideally minimize potential bias due to reverse causation (ie, low LDL-C being an overall marker of malnutrition and poor health). However, low LDL-C has been frequently reported in patients with cancer and many cancers have a viral etiological component and with potentially long latency. Theoretically, some patients with the lowest LDL-C values in our analysis may have been in the early stages of cancer development and hence at elevated long-term mortality risk.
I am a 60-year-old male and just had a physical, my Dr recommended that since my overall cholesterol is at 252 and my LDL is 176 I should start taking a statin. Apparently the guidelines that he follows states that anything over 7.5% warrants a statin, I came in at 7.7%. There was no mention of the fact that my HDL is at 65 and my triglycerides are at 56 and VLDL at 11.2. I am going to ignore his recommendation. Thanks for sharing all this information.
My husband stopped his statins in December, the cardiologist wasn’t happy but had him do a blood work up, he got a call a few days later saying to double up on statins! But the office gal didn’t give him the results so I called and they didn’t return my call. Meanwhile, he had a scheduled appt with his primary the next week he forgot about and decided to do another blood check up, it was a total of 133! LDL was 82, HDL 39 and triglycerides 63 and his primary said you’re fine, don’t take the statins!
Time for him to find a new Cardiologist.
My doctor is REALLY pushing for me to go on a statin, and I refuse to do it.
Listen to your doctor, not people on RUclips videos.
@@ChrisJ294 you're still wearing a face diaper aren't you?
@@cwally1994no. And why are you a freak who worries about what other men wear?
@@cwally1994 no. Now stop being some freak who obsesses about what other men wear
@@ChrisJ294 yes the science is 'safe and effective' on this lol.
Here’s a 58 year old, with LDL of 499, HDL of 77 and refusing statins, having a butter/bacon/eggs breakfast.
Thanks Mike! I absolutely love your channel.
Had blood work done recently and it indicated I need to contact gp due to high LDL.
My LDL is 145.79 mg/dl my triglycerides are 58.45 mg/dl and my HDL is 70.77 mg/dl. I was freaking out, but it seems im right where I want to be. Thank you for providing this kind of content, its great to get an understanding and not just fear mongering.
Great video! My total cholesterol is under 200 nothing else on my blood panel is in the red but my LDL is at 125 and my GP in my cardiologist are freaking out. Thank you
I've been defending cholesterol for years now! So glad to see the "science" is catching up.
I have bloodwork done at work annually to save on premiums. Have been on Keto and then Carnavore for six years and haven't been to a doctor in almost 18 years. My bloodwork is great in all areas but my LDL this year was 502 (normally stays between 300 and 400). The insurance administrators blow up my email and send me handwritten notes that sound panicked. I ignore them all and live my healthy and happy life.
Carnivore for the win… Insulin is a much more interesting factor. High insulin has a huge effect on lifespan.
Higher the cholesterol longer you live
Yes! A study on centennial people show they had total cholesterol250-280 for last 10 yares. Wich is logical. You need cholesterol for hormons production, for cells membrane and for brain. Plant based + statins will kill you faster fixing the economic problems of our sistem. Like Christine Lagarde told us on 2018... And then sars cov get ouf from Wuhan killing old people.
Iodine is vilified cos is part of the problem. Widout iodine your immun sistem, endocrine system and so on are not working properly.
All they told us is backwards!
All the best from Romania!
WHO study on salt, intresalt. They find areas whit low sodium intake and low blood pressure, but they forgot to tell those population where living only 50 yares. 🤔😂😂😂
Recently my LDL was measured at 102mg/dL which is considered high. Triglycerides was 44, glucose was 81, and HDL was 80.6.
Just had bloodwork done and my Ldl was,130 nurse said the doctor was going to hold off on prescribing a medication . I thought that's great because I'm not going to take it anyway . 😎 I'm 63 and in pretty good health. I do low carb and am doing fine. Thanks for this video
i would really like the link to the study - thank you
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38548371/ , Kip, KE, et al, “Is LDL cholesterol associated with long-term mortality among primary prevention adults? A retrospective cohort study from a large healthcare system”
Had a triple bypass in mid April this year at age 47, no heart attack or occlusive evet. Non-fasting LDL was 107, triglycerides 175. Stress and gentics were determined to blame but MD still pushing statins. I'll be showing her this study.
HDL-57 LDL-242 TRIG-71
These numbers are typical on both sides of my family and we have zero history of heart disease.
Thanku
129 LDL here - feel very healthy!
my LDL was 194 so my doctor scheduled a scan for my heart. I scored a zero. The nurse was laughing due to my results. My mother’s was high too and she lived to 97.
Many doctors die young. If they can not save themselves we you should listen to them.
My LDL is around 125-175, HDL is 75-85, and Triglycerides are 80-120. I exercise daily and have arpun15%BF. I always wondered if I should try to lower my LDL even though all other metrics are great. Based on this study I am in a great spot!
I'm female, 66 y/o. My chol is 276, LDL 186, HDL 71, TG 97, GLU 72. My CAC score 2 years ago was zero.....my primary wanted to put me on a statin. Nope!
I m 58 Asian female and mine close to yours
Here is reply I received from my cardiologist after sharing the BMJ study. "This is not a randomized trial. Studies like this one can be skewed by the fact that patients who are sick from cancer or other noncardiac causes tend to have low cholesterol. They have higher rates of death, but the deaths are not caused by the low cholesterol."
Your thoughts?
i agree what u said. My body check doctor asked me to emergency when he saw my LDL at 103.4 . I asked him why and asked him " do u look at my HDL and Triglyceride / HDL ratio ? He in the age of 75, he said no. This was a few yrs back already. I felt great at those numbers actually and i refused to take statin or aspirin( which dilutes my blood and causes bruises to my limbs when i played sport). It however prompted to me to watch my resting heart rate and recovering heart rate all the time. So I have been that in the past 5 years. My resting heart rates has been 45-55, my recovering heart rate within a min has been about 30 to 40 pulses from the high exercise. And i m 65. I feel that lowering Triglyceride is more important than LDL.
Cholesterol in mid 200s hdl 60 triglycerides low. Dr freaked out at my total cholesterol. He wanted me on a statin I said no way. He pushed, finally had a CAC test and scored a 0. That output the statin argument to bed. Understand your Dr knows little to nothing about nutrition, and cholesterol. They are taught to push statins after 200 period.