Interesting how we all differ. I had Airpods max, bathys and PX8 all side by side. The latter two for me were in a totally different league to APM, they had noticably more detail and better timbre.
I love the Bathys, but the PX8 were an absolute no go for me. Haven't heard the AirPods Max for more than a few minutes, though. They're not really in the running since I'm not a big Apple user.
@@jaypalmer3806 Hey! Thanks. Bought the PX8, haven’t had a chance to check Max as from the design standpoint they’re a “no go” for me. Regarding the PX8, I can hear the weird compression sounds accompanying the cymbals (I’m afraid that I agree with most things that Resolve said in his review, it’s a shame that he did not covered the eq as I think that the headphone benefits from it much), and the stock bass setting is way too much (I might need to check how it performs with AptX/cable, got an iPhone). Compared with the test pair at my local dealer, sounded the same. Mid bass is overpowering for heavier music genres. I set it up for -3,5 db when working with ANC (-2,5 db without ANC). Still, I cannot sit in the headphones for long, I find them fatiguing and compared to my other headphones there’s almost no sub bass. 😵💫 I like how PX8 performs with Jazz, artists like Agnes Obel and classic music. The soundstage is intimate albeit not really super wide. It’s a shame I had no chance to check out the Bathys (not really fond of the size for the mobile headphones), wonder how it compares with heavier/ faster music genres / artists like Camo & Krooked or Leprous. Sorry for the long post. 😅 I’ll keep them as they’re completely different from everything I had until now. Love how the connection works and the app is really great for my needs (I think it works faster then the Tidal app). They make some of my music playlist sound fresh and exciting. 😊 I find some posts that suggest boosting the bass slider fascinating. It makes the headphone completely unlistenable for me.
Yes im supriced that he dislikes the M4 that much. For me they are better sounding than the sony xm5, A.Pods Max and even the px7 II (but could be a taste thing). And way better than the bose qc45 of course :D. The other ones in this test i coudnt try but they would be to expensive anyway. I now bought the momentum 4 and the only thing i dislike is that i have to use the equalizer to get a more balanced normal sound (even though a lot of people seem to prefer the base havy standart sound) and that the app seems pretty slow.
@@serrael-182 Yes I also adjusted some of the settings on eq. I like the closes to natural sound. I use to use Ultrasone DJ 1 and they were amazing for me for so many years. Now Momentum 4 sounds very close to what I use to. I would say that the app is not great but I'm hoping they would improve it.
@@TomaszTomczuk Theres one thing i noticed. Theres a tone inbalance around 1 khz and 2 khz. The right is louder than the left side. Is this something more headphones suffer from? Im thinking of contacting the support. If they can fix that i would be very happy with them...
Momentum 4 here for BT, anc and silent listening on the work place. That leaves you budget for a decent wireless open headphone for listening at home (sennheiser hd6 or hd5 series for example). Think I got the best of both worlds for the same budget.
The B&W also have a built in DAC, all you have to do is connect them via the supplied cable. And they do charge while you are listening to them wired in. Thanks for the great review, you did a very good job 👍
@@PeterbFree Technically for sure if you mean electric circuit, but my Sennheiser PXC550 use some kind of weird bluetooth-over-usb tunneling or something. Even when they are connected via USB they behave exactly the same way as via BT: If some PC application requires microphone, they turn into headset device and music quality goes to hell even thou they are not limited by BT bandwidth. I would expect that they behave just like USB sound card (plus keyboard, cause gestures are translated to volume up/down, pause/stop, forward/back keys), but sadly they don't. I'm not sure how other headphones behave, but this is somewhat annoying feature, you basically can't play video game and use voice chat at the same time, sound quality for everything but voice is unacceptable.
I've tried all of these, but the Bathys. Add the new Bose Ultra's to that list. Out of all of them, the Mommentum 4's were the best overall for sound, and comfortably for me. The Apple's comfortably the worst, by some distance. Interesting to see how different people's ears are. My advice. Buy headphones from some where it's easy to return them. In the last 12 months, I've bought and returned 7-8 sets of headphones/earbuds. I settled on the Senny Momentum 4s for when I'm at my desk and the OnePlus Buds Pro 2s for travelling. Like I said, everyone's ears are different. There isn't one set that works for everyone.
I have the momentum 4 with creative BT-W4 on my PC for aptx adaptive. Great anc, great sound, epic 60h battery, aptx adaptive for low latency for gaming.
@@domd8290 Sorry Dom, missed your comment. I ordered 3 pairs from 3 different retailers and they all had it. Honestly. Can't be bothered with the M4 anymore.
I think the M4 has more resolution and detail than the APM. It has the right amount of bass with the option of reducing it further. The APM > my M3 But my M4 > my APM
I listened to all using the default EQ… for my taste the M4 where way to bass-y and almost sounded muffled compared to the others… that’s why I said that I was a bit disappointed after all the hype… but preferences are subjective I guess
@@JohannesFrey Pretty much. But it also depends on what you been conditioned to. I don't like the APM lack of mid bass (sub bass focused and uneven in the bass). I felt the APM wasn't very detailed to my liking (maybe a problem in the presence area?). But it is definitely good sounding, and better than my momentum 3 wireless. I just wish the M4 was a bit wider in the soundstage.
I have been on the same hunt as you. The B&W also plays as a DAC via USB and sounds the best this way. The Px8 will also charge while in DAC mode. Also, I want the option to turn off the ANC when I walk around my property and the Bathys does not offer this option. Focal does not allow the user to hear their headphones in raw-passive mode at all. They are 100% ANC/DSP confounded. What are they covering up?? I love the SenMo3 but have no interest in the 4. I do not like touch control, so the Apple are out for me as well. I always change something when taking off/on or just adjusting them. And the Bathys do not have a pause feature when you lift them off your ear/head which is a one of my most useful options. The Bathys looks like something from a Star Wars movie, the Senn is yawn-boring looking, the Apple is very modern looking, but the Px8 look like something James Bond would wear. Overall, I am keeping the Px8.
I agree and ordered PX8 today. I tried Bathys and PX8 at a store, and concluded that Bathys have more of an open sound, whereas PX8 feels more like being in a concert hall, very warm tone to the music. I would say Bathys are more comfortable as I have big ears, but I chose based on the sound as I mostly listen to EDM and needed something that brings out the emotion in the music.
Great vid man :) just got APM yesterday for $430 instead of $550 but still considering returning them for the Bathys. I’m definitely an audiophile guy and usually listen with Hifiman Aryas but the noise of my work environment is just too much for open back lately. The ANC on the AirPods Max is just so good… but I want that audiophile quality that you get with the Bathys…decisions decisions!
Ok follow up... I returned the AirPods Max and got a demo Bathys for discount, and yeah... I made the right choice. The ANC isn't nearly as good but it's definitely not bad, it works and worth it for the bump in sound quality. Bathys have a true hifi sound, and I own some super high end headphones like the HiFiman Arya Stealth, He6Sev2, Ether Flow C... the Bathys still managed to impress me. Layering, imaging, soundstage, separation, all incredible. Surprisingly sweet tonality as well, not too V-shaped like most consumer BT headphones. Already, the BT quality alone is astonishing, but when you use the DAC mode with the usb c cable, it's easily just as good as the premium Focal wired closed backs.
Just remember is still Bluetooth so you won't get Audiophile quality from an over priced Bluetooth headphone that doesn't have good noise cancelation or transparency features. I do believe that the Bathys are well tune and sound good but again is a wireless headphone that that sounds good with a poor functionality 🤔🤷🏻♂️
@@lolin2414 I am aware of the differences. You can also listen to the Bathys or px8 completely wired with hi res lossless files and still enjoy the (mostly excellent) noise cancellation, which is a huge selling point. I also own focal clear mg, Dan Clark audio ether c, AKG n5005, and a desktop dac/amp stack. Can’t listen to open backs in public or even in a mildly noisy environment like a house with kids or falling asleep next to your spouse. Closed back are fine but if I wanted to use them with the best quality I’d have to use an amp/dac every time, and if it’s not a dongle that requires a power supply, aka more stuff (and more money invested) Or… When I wanna travel, work, connect to any tv or computer or gaming system in the house, block out noise, with the possibility of still enjoying the best possible audio quality via the built in DAC/amp and usb c connection, of course it’s gonna be worth it to invest in a high-end Bluetooth ANC pair. And when it comes to detail/resolution/imaging, both the Px8 and Bathys are most certainly audiophile quality, even more so when compared against the competition. With pure sound quality and resolution, they still easily hold their own against audiophile closed backs costing $600-1000
Thank you for your insightful review. I am attracted to the PX8 and Bathys. With that said since I have tenttitus issues, it sounds like the Focals with its more laid back spacious sound would be eaiser on my ears vs the PX8
Great review and I love your taste in music! IN FLAMES Colony is a classic! I have the Momentum 4 and I am super happy, I don't care about the looks, having said that, the sound, the battery quality and the unique Sennheiser sound helped me make my decision!
Thank you for this excellent and thoughtful presentation.I have experience with three of these- all but the Focals which were out of my price range. 2 years ago my Momentum 3s were stolen after I had them 2 weeks. I got them for $169 USD brand new as they were being blown out when the 4s came. So I try the Momentum 4 and can't stand them- way too bassy and muddy for my tastes so I bought Bose Q45 on sale because of the excellent ANC. They sound good but are 3rd best of my current over the ear cans. The M3 ANC was just barely OK in a room with people talking. I have since added AirPods Max and B&W PX7 S2. I got the PX7 S2 after head to head against the PX8 which I loved for their feel and beauty but could not find the price difference in the sound which I consider to be fantastic. Hope someone finds my experience somewhat helpful in the future.
I got a black horse in to the race. I have many many headphonefrom 50$ to 2000$ and in my opinion the best BT headphone is Edifier STAX S3. Sure it dont have ANC but its closed back and the sound beats all of those, its not cheap either (300$ - 650€) but if you are looking for real hifi gade on BT, that is it.
Negative… The Edifier’s are mediocre, sent mine back to Amazon, way too much creaking, and sq was just ok. M3, APM, PX8 easily destroy them. Tried the Focal Bathy’s, awesome detail and soundstage, but not enough punch…
Hi everyone! I went to a store to listen to px8 and bathys. I have momemtum 4 for now and i want a better sound. The px8 played a little bit louder than the bathys but the bathys sounds way better. They are more detailed, more precise and the soundstage is wider. But the only complaints is the volume. I need more volume !!! The volume on the bathys is too low :( Never listen to airpods max, so can someone help me? I listen to metal, rock like metallica, so i want a punchy bass :) I feel like my momemtum 4 sounds better than the bathys :( Momemtum 4 has more punch in the sound, and a warmer sound. If the bathys can give me more punchy bass and a little bit clarity, i would buy them. When i listened to the bathys it was straight out of the box with no eq and no app. So, you guys, did you try to eq the bathys with the app and does it change something? Sorry for bad english i speak french :) I ask the question because the bathys here are 999$ plus taxes, so 1200$ canadian 😮
I listen to mostly NIN METALLICA ALICE IN CHAINS AND SOME RAP AND HOUSE. How are you liking them so far? I was thinking bout getting them in white but it might get dirty quick
@@mrguru091 for Metallica the px8 are the best! (For rap too). Px8 has better bass response and kick harder ! That’s we want with Metallica :) The soundstage is wider so, better instruments separation! If you want to spend less, go with momemtum 4. They kick harder than the px8 BUT not so tight and precise! Px8 are way louder than the others and by a large margin! Bathys is more detailed and they are better for jazz, blues, accoustics music. If you want fun for the kind of music you listen, go for px8 all the way !!! I guarantee you a lot of fun man !!! Sorry for bad english i speak french :) Hope this help :)
@@Patrickmathieu0482 are they alot louder than the momentum 4? I just saw the price 700 dollars as opp to 270 for momentum that's alot they have to sound a Hella lit better than the 4s to pay more than double. ur opinion?
I think you should go a whole different route and try the Audio Technica M50BT, deep punchy bass, excellent detail, great soundstage, LOUD and blows away everything if you don’t want audiophile quality…
@@Patrickmathieu0482 Lol now a friend of mine is telling me to try the Bang and olsen H95 . Maybe I will spend a lot for my 1st pair of over the year headphones
If I heard you right, the Bathys would be better for classical and jazz, right? I have the APM, and while I think it was the best option at the time I bought it (especially for the USD 400 I paid for it), it looks like the Bathys might be a better option, though at twice the price I paid for the APM, I wonder how much better you consider it to be than the APM for classical and jazz.
Hey… that’s a question that’s quite hard to answer because of preference and also because we are in an area of diminished returns… the Bathys cost twice as much but are obviously not twice as good… but there is a difference… whether it’s worth double the price for you… I don’t know.. but as I said… I did choose the Bathys
Great choice of In Flames :D px8 anc is better than bathys? Because I've had the px7 s2 and its anc was not only weak but turning my head left or right would break the seal and outside noise would go in. I got the bathys open box for 570€ and I'm waiting for their arrival hoping that it's anc was better that Bowers, which I have returned. But if you say that Bathys anc is worse than PX8 than I'm going to be disapointed for sure and probably will have to return them as well
Hey man, I mean breaking the seal and things like that also depend on the shape of the head and things like that. What I mean by saying the ANC isn't as good is... when sitting still and working... the ANC cancels out less background noise than the others... so let's say under optimal conditions they perform not as well as the others in this department. I hope the explanation helps a bit :-)
@@JohannesFrey yeah for sure. But I was hoping that Focal would perform better given my experience with the Px7 S2 but it seems not. But I hope I receive the Bathys soon to be able to test that out by myself
I like you enjoy music as a part of my daily life and have a few wired headphones for my daily listening needs, paired with a desktop rig and a portable rig. For travel and work related isolation needs I have usually used in ear BT monitors, but recently I desired some good quality over ears. I chose the B&W PX8, SQ, instrument separation, clarity and engagement are all excellent. I’ve not heard the Bathys, but I can see that if you prefer a purely neutral sound sig that the Bathys would be your preferred set. Very good over all approach to comparison and excellent overview. New Sub, thanks
Thanks for the review! As a developer working mostly in home office I would be very interested in how the Bathys perform in video calls? How good is the microphone?
surprised the clamp force on the airpods max doesnt bother you, i really regret not returning them when i got them, thinking they would break in. now i avoid them religiously especially because the airpods pro 2 are better sound on some songs, and 95% as good on others.
Px7 s2e is the way to go if you are considering Px8. Same sound quality and $250 cheaper. (For $250 you can get Sennheiser HD560s wired headphones or save up for HD6xx or Focal Elex.)
I have a huge ask , I usually by very high end headphones for my son such as hifiman , focal , master&dynamic , but he keeps killing the battery and was thinking about the latest generation of the PSB m4u8 mk2 , what is your opinion about these at the moment he is using my Mark Levinson 5909 and do not him to kill them
I have the Focal Bathys and this noise you are referring to is due to the “play” between the metal headband and the surrounding metal around the adjustments band - it’s not the yokes themselves. This noise does not occur when the headband is not extended and only occurs when twisting - not when putting them on and removing them. The Focal also use real leather unlike the rest.
I was on the market for upgrading from xm2 to xm4 or xm5. After trying a-b with xm2 and xm4, i was nearly convinced i will buy xm4 on black Friday. But then i went to another mediamarkt which had m4 available to demo. Whattt. Xm4 and xm5 was like trash near m4. Yes they have better anc than m4. Anc : Xm5:9 Xm4:8 M4:7 Sound : Xm5:7 Xm4:8 M4:9.5 Bass and clarity in m4 has no competition from Sony. I wanted to buy bathys, but in Turkey i can't find it or try. From store testing, i will be happy with my m4 i guess, it is arriving today.
@@rizakayan Thanks for sharing! It is weird that xm4 sounds better than xm5 model =) Looks like xm4 is an average good headphones. Gonna wait for black Friday =) Must check the M4 out
@@azerbouf xm4 is way better than my 5 year old xm2. If i didn't listen m4, i would be perfectly happy with the sound xm4 makes. Xm2 seems very durable, only some peeling off from pads, other than that still great condition, so xm4 will be very durable i guess. It depends on what u want from a headphone. Xm5 seems a bit more detailed than xm4, but for my taste i want more bass. None of these headphones will disappoint, they are all great. I just needed a new sound signature, which sennheiser provided me very nice.
thought you'd choose an airpods max for it strikes a balance among price, sound quality and other staff 😆 but bathys... which is simply my favourite with that airy sound. i guess every fussy listener goes for heaphones for more natural and more spacious sound signature, and sound quality weighs way much more than the rest
Very good review. I started exploring what to get into office. Here in Czech Rep. PX8 are for 18k CZK (735eur), Focal are for 20K (816eur). At this point it does not matter. Question is if I actually that expensive headphones. 5 years ago I bought Sennheiser PXC550 for 11000, due to inflation it's almost the similar price. But they sound a bit muffled and faux leather starts falling apart so first option is to have them repaired if spare parts are still available, second option is buying Sony (from one review it's like WH4 sounds pretty muffled too, if not more, so it won't help. WH5 are better, but still not perfect). I don't regret buying them, there are extremely useful in the office. By the way, five years ago I tried Bose QC35 as well. I could not stand them, cause with music off, I had very weird, unpleasant feeling of pressure, something you may experience in landing airplane with stuffed nose or sort of like being under the water. I don't know if it's their ANC just simulates this feeling by filtering some frequencies, but with Sennheiser I have zero issues. It feels like all sounds are nextdoors. Did anyone had this feeling with any ANC?
Could tell you were going to pick the FBs 2 minutes in when you said you were comparing rest to them. FBs are partially open backed according to many other reviews.
@@JohannesFrey I got my bathys and sound is really good. And its loud :) But can not connect dac mode with cable. Dont know why. My phone can not see device. Otg is enabled. How we can charge this thing? Type c cable and computer usb input or something? No adapter in box.
@@trebleclef4889 Hey :-) ... glad that you like them. I haven't much issues using the headphones in DAC mode... regarding the charging... yes you charge them with the usb-c cable... I typically just use my laptop for that... but the headphones cannot be charged while connected over usb-c in DAC-mode
@@JohannesFrey I found usb c input in my leptop. Its working for cahrging, yes i am using headphone off mode when charging. Also dac mode is working when connected my leptop. I think something wrong at my phone OTG connection. Dac mode is amazing when i try at my leptop. Currently i cant try it in my phone. But will try it another phone. Thank you for your answer and review. I really liked that headpohone. Just for information other guys, this headphone louder than momentum 3, xm4 :) And deffinetly sound quallty much better.
Oh... do they? Sorry I wasn't aware of that :-( But I have to say at least for me it's not that big of a deal.. I buy the headphones to be free and not connected to a wire... I don't really use DAC Mode with the Bathys that often if at all.
@@jcap8391 DAC( Digital to Analogue Converter) need power to work, Bathys is a 100% active headphone, so it must be powered on to listen regardless of mode. There is no passive-mode, so it's always using its built-in DAC and amplifiers. So regardless Bathys or PX8 both need battery power to work wired or wireless.
@@MrBravo143 Then they are both overpriced garbage 🗑️🔥. Focals sht customer support, warranty, and QA are hot garbage. I was tempted to buy the focal clear until I did extensive research on forums bc most reviewers don't know sht. Ask the people that have owned them and had them for a while hence forums. I'll stick to my m20xbt with yaxi pads for now until I find something not worth returning
@Fred McKurly ordered the BO H95 in lunar red . I tried the focal bathy's and the PX8 with the EQs downloaded on my phone as well as the Bamg and olefsun h95. The first 2 were louder but the bangs had more clarity. I hear they're coming out with an H 100 end of this year I'm hearing
Hi my friend... unfortunately I cannot shoot out all headphones on the market. It happened that I had those 4... so I compared them. I don't have any access to B&O h95 currently.
I tried bo95. It is very neutral, for classical music they would be amazing, but not as energetic as m4. If they were same priced, i would still opt for m4.
For me, designwise Px8 > Airpods max >>> Momentum 4 >>>>>> Bathys But when I went to the store, Bathys was the winner in terms of sound quality By the way, momentum is not fair for the comparison since it’s not on the same prive range
Hello. Have you noticed that after the last update, the app doesn't open, doesn't recognise the headphones and you can't even register them? The app doesn't work and doesn't detect any headphones. Do you have any idea why? Thanks
Hey, I only have a limited set of wired headphones to compare them… and most of them are more expensive than the Bathys ;) … so maybe I‘m the wrong person to answer that question… sorry for that :-/
For me, it can't be understated how much better the Bathys sounds compared to the PX8, a direct competitor. PX8 has frequency troubles where even the original PX I've used since release doesn't have them, and anything orchestral falls flat on them. They're super "hyped" / V-shaped sounding, almost in Bose territory. I didn't *want* to get the slightly more expensive and weird looking Bathys, but PX8 disappointed me in such a way that I tried the Bathys immediately. With metal I think the PX8 does very nicely in the lower mids, but the hyped bass and ringing frequencies in the treble ruin it for me. Bathys is open and honest sounding, and quite three-dimensional for a closed back. In DAC mode it's the best sounding headphones I've owned. Highly recommended.
@@rodpinfold8824does sound bleed work both ways? As in is there no passive sound isolation? Sounds like bathys are almost semi closed. No wonder they sound good but don't isolate noises
Nice job, man. Really professional video with valuable info for me. If I may suggest something, the "funny" things you are doing at the end looks a bit artificial. I'm not yet sure if that's what you wanted or it wasn't planned (cause I just discovered your channel), but I'd try to not pretend anything :D Others than that, great PR, I mean - great video. Keep it up, Buddy!
Hey, the comparison isn’t about being fair or not… it was more general about the differences… it is up for everyone to decide whether the differences are worth the money or not.
I have Sennheiser momentum 4 and I don't think that they are that "bassy" really I find them to be very balanced across all frequencies but mainly focused on mids and vocals but I do think that they can sound a bit dull due to how balanced they are... But I can see Focal and Browser&Willkins being a completely different league not sure about the Apple pro max tho.
Sony are trash bruh, those model's are famous just because of noise canceling is just best, no comparison, and imagine that xm4 was good but xm5 is even better.
yea they are average, priced because of the build quality which is great on the other hand, anyway who listens music on iphone? AAC has low Bluetooth bitrate and music loses quality, apple magic xd
I got both focal and px8 there is not bt headphone them match’s the sound quality to these two. My wife has an apple one and the sound is ridiculous not even close. I also listen to heavy metal and rock and the px8 are the ones to go but when I want to listen to jazz or salsa the focal
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Interesting how we all differ. I had Airpods max, bathys and PX8 all side by side. The latter two for me were in a totally different league to APM, they had noticably more detail and better timbre.
I love the Bathys, but the PX8 were an absolute no go for me. Haven't heard the AirPods Max for more than a few minutes, though. They're not really in the running since I'm not a big Apple user.
@@eruilluvitar Hey! What made px8 a “no go” for you?
@@Nurek76 If they didn't mention it, then they probably don't know themselves... I have Max and PX8, X8 are fantastic!
@@jaypalmer3806 Hey! Thanks. Bought the PX8, haven’t had a chance to check Max as from the design standpoint they’re a “no go” for me. Regarding the PX8, I can hear the weird compression sounds accompanying the cymbals (I’m afraid that I agree with most things that Resolve said in his review, it’s a shame that he did not covered the eq as I think that the headphone benefits from it much), and the stock bass setting is way too much (I might need to check how it performs with AptX/cable, got an iPhone). Compared with the test pair at my local dealer, sounded the same. Mid bass is overpowering for heavier music genres. I set it up for -3,5 db when working with ANC (-2,5 db without ANC). Still, I cannot sit in the headphones for long, I find them fatiguing and compared to my other headphones there’s almost no sub bass. 😵💫 I like how PX8 performs with Jazz, artists like Agnes Obel and classic music. The soundstage is intimate albeit not really super wide. It’s a shame I had no chance to check out the Bathys (not really fond of the size for the mobile headphones), wonder how it compares with heavier/ faster music genres / artists like Camo & Krooked or Leprous. Sorry for the long post. 😅
I’ll keep them as they’re completely different from everything I had until now. Love how the connection works and the app is really great for my needs (I think it works faster then the Tidal app). They make some of my music playlist sound fresh and exciting. 😊
I find some posts that suggest boosting the bass slider fascinating. It makes the headphone completely unlistenable for me.
Brilliant comparison! You are the only one to actually wear all headphones and properly compare the fit. Well done! Thank you!
I've used AirPods Max and loved the sound but Momentum 4 are better for me. Haven't tested the other two.
Yes im supriced that he dislikes the M4 that much. For me they are better sounding than the sony xm5, A.Pods Max and even the px7 II (but could be a taste thing). And way better than the bose qc45 of course :D.
The other ones in this test i coudnt try but they would be to expensive anyway.
I now bought the momentum 4 and the only thing i dislike is that i have to use the equalizer to get a more balanced normal sound (even though a lot of people seem to prefer the base havy standart sound) and that the app seems pretty slow.
@@serrael-182 Yes I also adjusted some of the settings on eq. I like the closes to natural sound. I use to use Ultrasone DJ 1 and they were amazing for me for so many years. Now Momentum 4 sounds very close to what I use to. I would say that the app is not great but I'm hoping they would improve it.
@@TomaszTomczuk Theres one thing i noticed. Theres a tone inbalance around 1 khz and 2 khz. The right is louder than the left side. Is this something more headphones suffer from?
Im thinking of contacting the support. If they can fix that i would be very happy with them...
Momentum 4 here for BT, anc and silent listening on the work place. That leaves you budget for a decent wireless open headphone for listening at home (sennheiser hd6 or hd5 series for example). Think I got the best of both worlds for the same budget.
The B&W also have a built in DAC, all you have to do is connect them via the supplied cable. And they do charge while you are listening to them wired in.
Thanks for the great review, you did a very good job 👍
Wrong! The Bathys have the built in DAC, not B&W, from all the reviews I have seen.
@@sandorfuleki5060 Oh dear. Yes they have a DAC, just not a DAC mode switch.
@@PeterbFree Technically for sure if you mean electric circuit, but my Sennheiser PXC550 use some kind of weird bluetooth-over-usb tunneling or something. Even when they are connected via USB they behave exactly the same way as via BT: If some PC application requires microphone, they turn into headset device and music quality goes to hell even thou they are not limited by BT bandwidth. I would expect that they behave just like USB sound card (plus keyboard, cause gestures are translated to volume up/down, pause/stop, forward/back keys), but sadly they don't. I'm not sure how other headphones behave, but this is somewhat annoying feature, you basically can't play video game and use voice chat at the same time, sound quality for everything but voice is unacceptable.
Seems sloppy not to investigate this before the comparison.
I've tried all of these, but the Bathys. Add the new Bose Ultra's to that list. Out of all of them, the Mommentum 4's were the best overall for sound, and comfortably for me. The Apple's comfortably the worst, by some distance. Interesting to see how different people's ears are. My advice. Buy headphones from some where it's easy to return them. In the last 12 months, I've bought and returned 7-8 sets of headphones/earbuds. I settled on the Senny Momentum 4s for when I'm at my desk and the OnePlus Buds Pro 2s for travelling. Like I said, everyone's ears are different. There isn't one set that works for everyone.
Momentum 4 also plays sound through the usbc and unlike the focal it also charges it at the same time.
I’m still waiting for someone to include the KEF mu7
I have the momentum 4 with creative BT-W4 on my PC for aptx adaptive. Great anc, great sound, epic 60h battery, aptx adaptive for low latency for gaming.
Too bad about the horrible L-R imbalance.
@@eddyray666 Not all units have that.
@@domd8290 Unfortunately, mine do. Pretty annoying, I will return them.
@@domd8290 Sorry Dom, missed your comment. I ordered 3 pairs from 3 different retailers and they all had it. Honestly. Can't be bothered with the M4 anymore.
I think the M4 has more resolution and detail than the APM. It has the right amount of bass with the option of reducing it further.
The APM > my M3
But my M4 > my APM
I listened to all using the default EQ… for my taste the M4 where way to bass-y and almost sounded muffled compared to the others… that’s why I said that I was a bit disappointed after all the hype… but preferences are subjective I guess
@@JohannesFrey Pretty much. But it also depends on what you been conditioned to. I don't like the APM lack of mid bass (sub bass focused and uneven in the bass). I felt the APM wasn't very detailed to my liking (maybe a problem in the presence area?). But it is definitely good sounding, and better than my momentum 3 wireless. I just wish the M4 was a bit wider in the soundstage.
For me I LOVE BASS SO I WOULD GO TO SENNM4 AMONG THOSE HEADPHONES❤😮😊
Nice, detailed and thoroughly thoughtful review
I have been on the same hunt as you. The B&W also plays as a DAC via USB and sounds the best this way. The Px8 will also charge while in DAC mode. Also, I want the option to turn off the ANC when I walk around my property and the Bathys does not offer this option. Focal does not allow the user to hear their headphones in raw-passive mode at all. They are 100% ANC/DSP confounded. What are they covering up?? I love the SenMo3 but have no interest in the 4. I do not like touch control, so the Apple are out for me as well. I always change something when taking off/on or just adjusting them. And the Bathys do not have a pause feature when you lift them off your ear/head which is a one of my most useful options.
The Bathys looks like something from a Star Wars movie, the Senn is yawn-boring looking, the Apple is very modern looking, but the Px8 look like something James Bond would wear. Overall, I am keeping the Px8.
I agree and ordered PX8 today. I tried Bathys and PX8 at a store, and concluded that Bathys have more of an open sound, whereas PX8 feels more like being in a concert hall, very warm tone to the music. I would say Bathys are more comfortable as I have big ears, but I chose based on the sound as I mostly listen to EDM and needed something that brings out the emotion in the music.
Theyre the best looking for sure. And probably feel like high quality too. But im happy with my boring but comfy great sounding M4 for "just" 280. :D
Great vid man :) just got APM yesterday for $430 instead of $550 but still considering returning them for the Bathys. I’m definitely an audiophile guy and usually listen with Hifiman Aryas but the noise of my work environment is just too much for open back lately. The ANC on the AirPods Max is just so good… but I want that audiophile quality that you get with the Bathys…decisions decisions!
Ok follow up... I returned the AirPods Max and got a demo Bathys for discount, and yeah... I made the right choice. The ANC isn't nearly as good but it's definitely not bad, it works and worth it for the bump in sound quality. Bathys have a true hifi sound, and I own some super high end headphones like the HiFiman Arya Stealth, He6Sev2, Ether Flow C... the Bathys still managed to impress me. Layering, imaging, soundstage, separation, all incredible. Surprisingly sweet tonality as well, not too V-shaped like most consumer BT headphones. Already, the BT quality alone is astonishing, but when you use the DAC mode with the usb c cable, it's easily just as good as the premium Focal wired closed backs.
Just remember is still Bluetooth so you won't get Audiophile quality from an over priced Bluetooth headphone that doesn't have good noise cancelation or transparency features. I do believe that the Bathys are well tune and sound good but again is a wireless headphone that that sounds good with a poor functionality 🤔🤷🏻♂️
what bout the momentum 4s I hear alot of audiophile like those. Have u compared those to the Bathys?
@@mrguru091 I have not. I have tried Momentum 3, APM, Bathys, and Px8.
@@lolin2414 I am aware of the differences. You can also listen to the Bathys or px8 completely wired with hi res lossless files and still enjoy the (mostly excellent) noise cancellation, which is a huge selling point.
I also own focal clear mg, Dan Clark audio ether c, AKG n5005, and a desktop dac/amp stack. Can’t listen to open backs in public or even in a mildly noisy environment like a house with kids or falling asleep next to your spouse. Closed back are fine but if I wanted to use them with the best quality I’d have to use an amp/dac every time, and if it’s not a dongle that requires a power supply, aka more stuff (and more money invested)
Or…
When I wanna travel, work, connect to any tv or computer or gaming system in the house, block out noise, with the possibility of still enjoying the best possible audio quality via the built in DAC/amp and usb c connection, of course it’s gonna be worth it to invest in a high-end Bluetooth ANC pair. And when it comes to detail/resolution/imaging, both the Px8 and Bathys are most certainly audiophile quality, even more so when compared against the competition. With pure sound quality and resolution, they still easily hold their own against audiophile closed backs costing $600-1000
Thank you for your insightful review. I am attracted to the PX8 and Bathys. With that said since I have tenttitus issues, it sounds like the Focals with its more laid back spacious sound would be eaiser on my ears vs the PX8
I actually purchased the PX8'S and just love them. No tinnitus issue with them
Great review and I love your taste in music! IN FLAMES Colony is a classic! I have the Momentum 4 and I am super happy, I don't care about the looks, having said that, the sound, the battery quality and the unique Sennheiser sound helped me make my decision!
Thank you for this excellent and thoughtful presentation.I have experience with three of these- all but the Focals which were out of my price range. 2 years ago my Momentum 3s were stolen after I had them 2 weeks. I got them for $169 USD brand new as they were being blown out when the 4s came. So I try the Momentum 4 and can't stand them- way too bassy and muddy for my tastes so I bought Bose Q45 on sale because of the excellent ANC. They sound good but are 3rd best of my current over the ear cans. The M3 ANC was just barely OK in a room with people talking. I have since added AirPods Max and B&W PX7 S2. I got the PX7 S2 after head to head against the PX8 which I loved for their feel and beauty but could not find the price difference in the sound which I consider to be fantastic. Hope someone finds my experience somewhat helpful in the future.
I got a black horse in to the race. I have many many headphonefrom 50$ to 2000$ and in my opinion the best BT headphone is Edifier STAX S3. Sure it dont have ANC but its closed back and the sound beats all of those, its not cheap either (300$ - 650€) but if you are looking for real hifi gade on BT, that is it.
I've been contemplating replacing my XM2 with another ANC but keep reading about the amazing sound and battery life of the S3...I'm so tempted!
Negative… The Edifier’s are mediocre, sent mine back to Amazon, way too much creaking, and sq was just ok. M3, APM, PX8 easily destroy them. Tried the Focal Bathy’s, awesome detail and soundstage, but not enough punch…
@@bigcdub Lol.. Ok. I got them all but as you see fit.
@@Thevikingcam I've spent tons on headphones also, always looking for the best sound, the Edefier's just weren't it my guy!😂
Guter Vergleich. Danke. Habe mir die Focal bestellt und bin gespannt wie sie im Vergleich zu den AirPods Max klingen. Die PX8 haben mich enttäuscht.
A very interesting review, I am considering to buy the Focal Bathys, Bowers & Wilkins PX8 or Mark Levinson 5909.
Thanks :)
@@JohannesFrey I also subscribed to your channel right away, if there is death metal in the review, I have to support it. 😀
Hehe… thank you very much :) … btw… I go to see In Flames live next week 😜
@@JohannesFrey Then I wish you a lot of fun at the In Flames concert next week. I'm watching Benighted live this Sunday.
Hi everyone! I went to a store to listen to px8 and bathys. I have momemtum 4 for now and i want a better sound. The px8 played a little bit louder than the bathys but the bathys sounds way better. They are more detailed, more precise and the soundstage is wider. But the only complaints is the volume. I need more volume !!! The volume on the bathys is too low :(
Never listen to airpods max, so can someone help me?
I listen to metal, rock like metallica, so i want a punchy bass :)
I feel like my momemtum 4 sounds better than the bathys :(
Momemtum 4 has more punch in the sound, and a warmer sound.
If the bathys can give me more punchy bass and a little bit clarity, i would buy them. When i listened to the bathys it was straight out of the box with no eq and no app. So, you guys, did you try to eq the bathys with the app and does it change something? Sorry for bad english i speak french :)
I ask the question because the bathys here are 999$ plus taxes, so 1200$ canadian 😮
I listen to mostly NIN METALLICA ALICE IN CHAINS AND SOME RAP AND HOUSE. How are you liking them so far? I was thinking bout getting them in white but it might get dirty quick
@@mrguru091 for Metallica the px8 are the best! (For rap too). Px8 has better bass response and kick harder ! That’s we want with Metallica :)
The soundstage is wider so, better instruments separation!
If you want to spend less, go with momemtum 4. They kick harder than the px8 BUT not so tight and precise! Px8 are way louder than the others and by a large margin!
Bathys is more detailed and they are better for jazz, blues, accoustics music.
If you want fun for the kind of music you listen, go for px8 all the way !!! I guarantee you a lot of fun man !!!
Sorry for bad english i speak french :)
Hope this help :)
@@Patrickmathieu0482 are they alot louder than the momentum 4? I just saw the price 700 dollars as opp to 270 for momentum that's alot they have to sound a Hella lit better than the 4s to pay more than double. ur opinion?
I think you should go a whole different route and try the Audio Technica M50BT, deep punchy bass, excellent detail, great soundstage, LOUD and blows away everything if you don’t want audiophile quality…
@@Patrickmathieu0482 Lol now a friend of mine is telling me to try the Bang and olsen H95 . Maybe I will spend a lot for my 1st pair of over the year headphones
Another developer here. I am keeping the Momentum 4 en buy the DT 1990 Pro for home use. I do want to test the T+A Solitaire T in the future tho.
If I heard you right, the Bathys would be better for classical and jazz, right? I have the APM, and while I think it was the best option at the time I bought it (especially for the USD 400 I paid for it), it looks like the Bathys might be a better option, though at twice the price I paid for the APM, I wonder how much better you consider it to be than the APM for classical and jazz.
Hey… that’s a question that’s quite hard to answer because of preference and also because we are in an area of diminished returns… the Bathys cost twice as much but are obviously not twice as good… but there is a difference… whether it’s worth double the price for you… I don’t know.. but as I said… I did choose the Bathys
Great choice of In Flames :D
px8 anc is better than bathys? Because I've had the px7 s2 and its anc was not only weak but turning my head left or right would break the seal and outside noise would go in. I got the bathys open box for 570€ and I'm waiting for their arrival hoping that it's anc was better that Bowers, which I have returned. But if you say that Bathys anc is worse than PX8 than I'm going to be disapointed for sure and probably will have to return them as well
Hey man, I mean breaking the seal and things like that also depend on the shape of the head and things like that. What I mean by saying the ANC isn't as good is... when sitting still and working... the ANC cancels out less background noise than the others... so let's say under optimal conditions they perform not as well as the others in this department. I hope the explanation helps a bit :-)
@@JohannesFrey yeah for sure. But I was hoping that Focal would perform better given my experience with the Px7 S2 but it seems not. But I hope I receive the Bathys soon to be able to test that out by myself
I like you enjoy music as a part of my daily life and have a few wired headphones for my daily listening needs, paired with a desktop rig and a portable rig. For travel and work related isolation needs I have usually used in ear BT monitors, but recently I desired some good quality over ears. I chose the B&W PX8, SQ, instrument separation, clarity and engagement are all excellent. I’ve not heard the Bathys, but I can see that if you prefer a purely neutral sound sig that the Bathys would be your preferred set.
Very good over all approach to comparison and excellent overview.
New Sub, thanks
Thanks for the review! As a developer working mostly in home office I would be very interested in how the Bathys perform in video calls? How good is the microphone?
Hi, the microphone is actually quite good. I test called a friend of mine and asked about the quality and he had nothing to complain.
Microphone is really decent. They’re worth the buy
surprised the clamp force on the airpods max doesnt bother you, i really regret not returning them when i got them, thinking they would break in. now i avoid them religiously especially because the airpods pro 2 are better sound on some songs, and 95% as good on others.
Cheers from a developer here!
Comfort-wise, do you see one's ears not tired or sore after a day in PX8?
Px7 s2e is the way to go if you are considering Px8. Same sound quality and $250 cheaper. (For $250 you can get Sennheiser HD560s wired headphones or save up for HD6xx or Focal Elex.)
I have a huge ask , I usually by very high end headphones for my son such as hifiman , focal , master&dynamic , but he keeps killing the battery and was thinking about the latest generation of the PSB m4u8 mk2 , what is your opinion about these at the moment he is using my Mark Levinson 5909 and do not him to kill them
Hi, which headphones to choose, BOSE QuietComfort 35 II or Bowers & Wilkins Px8 ?
Hi, I don’t know.. i haven’t tested the Bose QC 35
Have focal bathys, airpods max, and the PX8. Love the px8 good bass, good midrange, smooth highs 🎉🎉🔥🔥🔥
Btw, I agree that for Scandinavian Metal, AirPods Max are pretty good. 🤘🏻
I have the Focal Bathys and this noise you are referring to is due to the “play” between the metal headband and the surrounding metal around the adjustments band - it’s not the yokes themselves. This noise does not occur when the headband is not extended and only occurs when twisting - not when putting them on and removing them. The Focal also use real leather unlike the rest.
Have you considered Sony WH-1000XM5? Just wondering whats your thoughts
Hey, sorry I currently don’t have the XM5 at hand. So I cannot compare them.
I was on the market for upgrading from xm2 to xm4 or xm5. After trying a-b with xm2 and xm4, i was nearly convinced i will buy xm4 on black Friday. But then i went to another mediamarkt which had m4 available to demo. Whattt. Xm4 and xm5 was like trash near m4.
Yes they have better anc than m4. Anc :
Xm5:9
Xm4:8
M4:7
Sound :
Xm5:7
Xm4:8
M4:9.5
Bass and clarity in m4 has no competition from Sony. I wanted to buy bathys, but in Turkey i can't find it or try. From store testing, i will be happy with my m4 i guess, it is arriving today.
@@rizakayan Thanks for sharing! It is weird that xm4 sounds better than xm5 model =) Looks like xm4 is an average good headphones.
Gonna wait for black Friday =) Must check the M4 out
@@azerbouf xm4 is way better than my 5 year old xm2. If i didn't listen m4, i would be perfectly happy with the sound xm4 makes. Xm2 seems very durable, only some peeling off from pads, other than that still great condition, so xm4 will be very durable i guess.
It depends on what u want from a headphone. Xm5 seems a bit more detailed than xm4, but for my taste i want more bass. None of these headphones will disappoint, they are all great. I just needed a new sound signature, which sennheiser provided me very nice.
@@rizakayan Great review! Currently, I am with bose qc25 which are like 6-7 years old. Want to upgrade sound experience =)
thought you'd choose an airpods max for it strikes a balance among price, sound quality and other staff 😆 but bathys... which is simply my favourite with that airy sound. i guess every fussy listener goes for heaphones for more natural and more spacious sound signature, and sound quality weighs way much more than the rest
Very good review. I started exploring what to get into office. Here in Czech Rep. PX8 are for 18k CZK (735eur), Focal are for 20K (816eur). At this point it does not matter. Question is if I actually that expensive headphones. 5 years ago I bought Sennheiser PXC550 for 11000, due to inflation it's almost the similar price. But they sound a bit muffled and faux leather starts falling apart so first option is to have them repaired if spare parts are still available, second option is buying Sony (from one review it's like WH4 sounds pretty muffled too, if not more, so it won't help. WH5 are better, but still not perfect). I don't regret buying them, there are extremely useful in the office.
By the way, five years ago I tried Bose QC35 as well. I could not stand them, cause with music off, I had very weird, unpleasant feeling of pressure, something you may experience in landing airplane with stuffed nose or sort of like being under the water. I don't know if it's their ANC just simulates this feeling by filtering some frequencies, but with Sennheiser I have zero issues. It feels like all sounds are nextdoors. Did anyone had this feeling with any ANC?
Yep. The same preassure with Bose q45.
Px8 is the way to go
Focal sounds way better
@@allenalphonse4962 Maybe, but still Px8 is the way
Px7 se2 …
Could tell you were going to pick the FBs 2 minutes in when you said you were comparing rest to them. FBs are partially open backed according to many other reviews.
My god maaaan you got me with that explanation.
New subscriber here. 🙋🏻♂️
Would you please help me?
Which one is louder Bathys or PX8?
Greetings!
For Focal, it is said that the sound is distorted in some songs at high volume. Have you experienced this?
Hey :-) … I’ve not noticed any distortion… but then again I‘m not blasting my ears with crazy loud volume ;-)
@@JohannesFrey I got my bathys and sound is really good. And its loud :) But can not connect dac mode with cable. Dont know why. My phone can not see device. Otg is enabled.
How we can charge this thing? Type c cable and computer usb input or something? No adapter in box.
@@trebleclef4889 Hey :-) ... glad that you like them. I haven't much issues using the headphones in DAC mode... regarding the charging... yes you charge them with the usb-c cable... I typically just use my laptop for that... but the headphones cannot be charged while connected over usb-c in DAC-mode
@@JohannesFrey I found usb c input in my leptop. Its working for cahrging, yes i am using headphone off mode when charging. Also dac mode is working when connected my leptop. I think something wrong at my phone OTG connection. Dac mode is amazing when i try at my leptop. Currently i cant try it in my phone. But will try it another phone.
Thank you for your answer and review. I really liked that headpohone.
Just for information other guys, this headphone louder than momentum 3, xm4 :) And deffinetly sound quallty much better.
For the ANC comparison test, was the Bathys switched to heavy-ANC mode?
Hey :) … yes they were.
Its sad you didn't know that PX8 also has DAC mode. 😭
Oh... do they? Sorry I wasn't aware of that :-( But I have to say at least for me it's not that big of a deal.. I buy the headphones to be free and not connected to a wire... I don't really use DAC Mode with the Bathys that often if at all.
@@JohannesFrey PX8 comes with 3.5mm to USB C cable and USB C to USB C cable for wired connection 🥰
@@MrBravo143 That doesn't work unless it has battery 💩 Hold this L px8
@@jcap8391 DAC( Digital to Analogue Converter) need power to work, Bathys is a 100% active headphone, so it must be powered on to listen regardless of mode. There is no passive-mode, so it's always using its built-in DAC and amplifiers. So regardless Bathys or PX8 both need battery power to work wired or wireless.
@@MrBravo143 Then they are both overpriced garbage 🗑️🔥. Focals sht customer support, warranty, and QA are hot garbage. I was tempted to buy the focal clear until I did extensive research on forums bc most reviewers don't know sht. Ask the people that have owned them and had them for a while hence forums. I'll stick to my m20xbt with yaxi pads for now until I find something not worth returning
Focal bathys is amazing
I agree completely with your assessment of the momentum 4s. Way too much bass and lack resolution
Price/Performance the Momentum wins in this comparison
have u tried the px8s? I'm debating between those and the Momentum 4s
@@mrguru091 no i haven't
@Fred McKurly ordered the BO H95 in lunar red . I tried the focal bathy's and the PX8 with the EQs downloaded on my phone as well as the Bamg and olefsun h95. The first 2 were louder but the bangs had more clarity. I hear they're coming out with an H 100 end of this year I'm hearing
Hello, what about Bang and Olufsen h95?
Hi my friend... unfortunately I cannot shoot out all headphones on the market. It happened that I had those 4... so I compared them. I don't have any access to B&O h95 currently.
I tried bo95. It is very neutral, for classical music they would be amazing, but not as energetic as m4. If they were same priced, i would still opt for m4.
For me, designwise
Px8 > Airpods max >>> Momentum 4 >>>>>> Bathys
But when I went to the store, Bathys was the winner in terms of sound quality
By the way, momentum is not fair for the comparison since it’s not on the same prive range
Thanks for this.
The Momentum 4 have audio over USB
Hello. Have you noticed that after the last update, the app doesn't open, doesn't recognise the headphones and you can't even register them? The app doesn't work and doesn't detect any headphones. Do you have any idea why? Thanks
Thank you for the comparison, great choices! Roughly what price range would you say the Bathys/PX8 would be in a wired headphone with comparable SQ?
Hey, I only have a limited set of wired headphones to compare them… and most of them are more expensive than the Bathys ;) … so maybe I‘m the wrong person to answer that question… sorry for that :-/
For me, it can't be understated how much better the Bathys sounds compared to the PX8, a direct competitor. PX8 has frequency troubles where even the original PX I've used since release doesn't have them, and anything orchestral falls flat on them. They're super "hyped" / V-shaped sounding, almost in Bose territory. I didn't *want* to get the slightly more expensive and weird looking Bathys, but PX8 disappointed me in such a way that I tried the Bathys immediately. With metal I think the PX8 does very nicely in the lower mids, but the hyped bass and ringing frequencies in the treble ruin it for me.
Bathys is open and honest sounding, and quite three-dimensional for a closed back. In DAC mode it's the best sounding headphones I've owned. Highly recommended.
The sound bleed makes the Bathys impossible for a flight to The US from Europe, your neighbours will go nuts
@@rodpinfold8824 at what volume Bathys start to leak?
@@rodpinfold8824does sound bleed work both ways? As in is there no passive sound isolation? Sounds like bathys are almost semi closed. No wonder they sound good but don't isolate noises
i woud go with the bathys owning cable focals or the bowers i see so many people on train bus planes with the airpods max or the 2 tipical sony,s
Sadly the headband on the px8 is not properly glued and coming off after few months so the build quality is not as good :(
nice review
Nice job, man. Really professional video with valuable info for me. If I may suggest something, the "funny" things you are doing at the end looks a bit artificial. I'm not yet sure if that's what you wanted or it wasn't planned (cause I just discovered your channel), but I'd try to not pretend anything :D Others than that, great PR, I mean - great video. Keep it up, Buddy!
Hey man :) thanks for your comment and your suggestion :) … what do you mean by „funny“ things? The pointing at the info cards?
@@JohannesFrey Yup :D
sympathischer deutscher akzent
😉… hehe… danke
Really like your review! The Bathys really look like a Ferrari, indeed. And their app is as finicky as the car 🤣
Thanks :)
An ordinary Jo-hannes?
Hehe… you got it 😜
Have you also tried the B&O H95?
Hi, no unfortunately I don't have them at hand.
hello not so fair comparison the price of focal is x2 the momentum s 4!
Hey, the comparison isn’t about being fair or not… it was more general about the differences… it is up for everyone to decide whether the differences are worth the money or not.
Nach 2 Wochen Bathys: sie sind jeden Cent wert!
I have Sennheiser momentum 4 and I don't think that they are that "bassy" really I find them to be very balanced across all frequencies but mainly focused on mids and vocals but I do think that they can sound a bit dull due to how balanced they are... But I can see Focal and Browser&Willkins being a completely different league not sure about the Apple pro max tho.
No Sony xm4s/xm5s???🤔
As I said, I'm no headphone reviewer.. and just checked out the headphones that I personally was interested in.
Sony are trash bruh, those model's are famous just because of noise canceling is just best, no comparison, and imagine that xm4 was good but xm5 is even better.
Px8 #1
px8 the best
Guys he is not blinking
Px8 sehr gut.!
I hope you didn't have the hat on for real when you tested the sound, looks like it would affect the seal of the cups.
Hey… nope… was testing them for several days… and I‘m not always wearing a hat ;-)
Airpod max close to Focal? True lie!
Airpods Max are the worst choice in sound comparison...
yea they are average, priced because of the build quality which is great on the other hand, anyway who listens music on iphone? AAC has low Bluetooth bitrate and music loses quality, apple magic xd
PX8 best!
Auf der Bank hatte ich das erste mal segggs. Beim see
머리가 큰 사람들에겐 베티스와 px8은 고통 입니다..
Started ok until the elevator music started. Made me stop watching.
I got both focal and px8 there is not bt headphone them match’s the sound quality to these two. My wife has an apple one and the sound is ridiculous not even close. I also listen to heavy metal and rock and the px8 are the ones to go but when I want to listen to jazz or salsa the focal