A very difficult time for women in general. We just hear more about the royals. Sadly, they had it better than the peasant women who were treated as actual livestock.
By today's standards these beheadings were injustice. By Tudor standards, it was completely justified. Katherine willing admitted she was in wasn't a virgin when she married Henry, after the fact. To do so in Tudor times was treasonous. Katherine's biggest mistake was to bring Durham into her household.
You have a very irritating voice.... might want to think to have someone else read your words.... can you say, clawing my fingernails done a chalk board... I wish I was deaf and even maybe blind
@@fjohnson3555 I don't care if it was considered young in those times or not. A persons brain doesn't stop developing until well into their twenties. So physically, an eighteen year old is not yet matured, so, however a person feels about it, is of no consequence, and cannot change that fact. No matter the time or era.
@@reneenayfabnaynay5679 ok, you don't have to care, .but the time era does matter, not your 21st century perspective. The fact remains that culturally and socially, 18 y.o., was not considered "young" in the 16th century.
Cruelty doesn't come into it. A queen's faithfulness was political. It was the only way to ensure that any child born to her carried the royal bloodline.
Thank you for your clear, concise explanations of these executions. I've read many different accounts of scaffold confessions that have turned out to be outright lies. Thank you for your research and the time you take to educate us 400 years later. From North Carolina, USA.
I don't think her family had anything to do with her. The king wanted her and the king got what he wanted. I think those of her family who new about her past must have been very worried when the king fell for her.
@@anneboleynfiles I agree to that to she or they the family probably were in a position they couldn't really say no I forget the times they were living in kim
@Artere Laksamana Informing the King that his daughter was not a virgin and had been 'loose with her favors' with multiple men? Well, she might have survived that, but it would have been very detrimental to most of the people around her, including herself. If she was lucky, she'd have been cloistered as a nun.
@Artere Laksamana when you speak in that manner literally no one of any high respect with a true answer will respond to you. It's history, we are all here because we love it and like to share information. History often changes and some is more fiction than truth, try asking next time rather than demanding that everyone, including the people who research it for a living, is wrong.
Most of the people that Henry VIII executed always "prayed for the King and his long life and good health," etc. etc. Why would they do that when he's the one that put them to death? The only thing I can think of is they said these things so the monster that was Henry wouldn't go after their surviving relatives and friends??? No wonder the French called Henry the "English Nero."
Dude, you gotta wonder what Lady Rockford was thinking when she got involved with Kathryn and Culpeper. Surely she knew better! I would be interested to know what historians think about this. Thanks for this series and for the book recommendations. from Central Texas
Julia Fox, Jane's biographer, is of the opinion that Jane just got in too deep. That she helped them once and then that was enough for her to be guilty of misprision of treason, so she may as well carry on. Very sad.
I agree that Jane got in too deep. Do you think there may also have been a certain element of putting one over on Henry in revenge for the execution of her husband and sister-in-law?
I loved this topic! Would you consider doing a blog or your if your town? I'm so curious about Spain and small villages and I would love to see that church we hear. Also, this might be a lot to ask but I am going to ask because if you can do it..IT WOULD BE SO COOL!! You have mentioned that you live in a 300 year old house, please consider showing the house and the original parts. I just love history and old things, no matter what it is. The architecture has to be amazing and houses were built very different back then. I understand that this is and maybe too much to ask so if I have offended you or pushed you to feel uncomfortable then I truly apologize. Thank you for all of your videos. I don't miss any!!
You haven't offended me at all but I think most people would want me to focus on Tudor history. If you look at my channel, there's a video last month (towards the end of the month) Tilting at the Rings Spanish Style, which shows some of my village. The house is a bit of a project and we're having work done so a bit of a mess!
You are invaluably educational. And, as a fellow female, I can no longer restrain myself - - - this is a great cut for you, truly much more becoming than the longer styles we see on your channel. And the colour is most complimentary, as well! 💇♀️ 👀
Thank you for clearing up these false speeches. Like you said, we must remember the grace and dignity with which Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard and Jane Boleyn met their deaths. All of these women had tremendous courage at the time of their grisly executions. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to walk up that scaffold and see the sword or axe that will chop of your head in a matter of minutes! Horrific.
Aren’t Spanish accounts so dramatic. It’s such a bummer so little seem to be true during these events. It’s almost a bit maddening that it was so sensationalized. I can’t imagine her saying that in any way.
I will need to re-educate my daughter!!! She'll be so disappointed that the famous speech didn't happen after all. I am loving your videos and I'm learning so much through you. Thank you for taking the time to do these :)
@@anneboleynfiles Hahaha! Don't be, she'll appreciate the truth, she hates it when facts are twisted purely for entertainment. I've told her about your channel and I'm hoping she'll subscribe as well :)
@@anneboleynfiles It's a pleasure and an honour to do so. I feel the same, too. I love the story of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert but I was not pleased at the final scenes of the film The Young Victoria. These film writers may think they need to dress history up but they shouldn't as truth is rarely boring and even if it is, I'd rather boring truth than exciting lies. Lies nearly always result in disappointment. I did just speak to my daughter and actually, she was rather pleased at the truth, as was I :)
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RIP Catherine and Jane. I'm glad the executions were quick. They must have been so frightened. In a way it must have been worse for Jane in a way as she had to wait for Catherine to die first.Jean Newport gwent south Wales uk
I would like to reply to Jeffrey Suggs comment he made on my post. I would just like to clarify what I meant when I started that Catherine Howard and Jane Rochford's executions were quick ones, they took one blow of the axe each as far as we are aware. When we compare this with the following executions all with the axe. 1. Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury 27 May 1541. Who is reported to have told the executioner she was no traitor and if he wanted her head to take it as best he could. Then ensued a blood bath as he hacked away at her until he could take her head. 2. Mary Queen of Scots 8 Feb 1587 submitted to the executioner, the 1st blow missed her neck and struck the back of her head, the second severed the neck apart from sinews which the executioner sawed through with the 3rd stroke. 3. Thomas Cromwell 28 July 1540 some resources say the executioner botched it "having great difficulty in severing the head" others don't agree. 4. Duke of Monmouth, King Charles 2nd illegitimate son. He was executed by Jack Ketch who took multiple blows some say 8 others 5. So in view of this I feel Catherine Howard and Jane Rochford were more "fortunate" than the other poor souls I have mentioned even though it must have been horrendous...we can only imagine how these people felt. Jean North, Newport gwent south Wales uk.
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance There are so many historical fallacies from around the world. Often they contradict themselves with their falsehoods within the same writings. Sometimes they make a more interesting story but it’s important to know the facts first.
The biggest Tudor question I have is what in the world Jane Rochford was thinking when she got involved with the Culpepper/Queen Katherine Howard meetings? She had been completely up close and personal with the fall of Anne Boleyn and George Rochford. Katherine and Culpepper, I can get my head around. Not Jane.
So love your videos every day. Thank you for doing them. I really enjoy the "This day in Tudor History" series as well as the other videos that you do. Looking forward to challenge 3.😁
As a great many letters are used as primary sources now and were used as evidence then, how did sending/receiving letters in Tudor times work? I for one, would have been hesitant to receive mail. Someone could send you an unsolicited letter about a plot or something shady and you could have easily been caught up in one of the Cecils’ conspiracy sweeps. I don’t think claiming innocence and/or ignorance would have worked as a defense strategy. I’m really enjoying this video series. Thank you for bringing little bits of Tudor to my days!
🇦🇺🦘 Although Catherine Howard was found guilty, it is so sad that such a young woman had to die in this way. As for Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford, I have always thought she was much maligned in Tudor history as a bad person. I don't believe she was bad, at all. She had to witness the death of her husband, George Boleyn, and others; and served 'the crown' until her own death, as convicted (with others) surrounding Catherine's deeds. Thank you Claire. 👋👍
So The Spanish Chronicle was perhaps like...The News of the World and The Daily Mail? Let's just make things up as we go along...and see what sticks? I guess that a lot did stick. Too bad, as fact can really be so much better than fiction...
You can add The Guardian, Independent and the rest of the so-called highbrow papers to your tabloid list. There are no journalists these days just an agenda and hacks paid to push through that agenda.
Did they ever recover the body of Catherine Howard? I know that Anne was buried (rather, stuffed) inside an arrow chest because there was not a coffin provided for her body, And she wasn't buried inside the chest in the chapel, I think she was just stuffed underneath the church and forgotton about. Same with George and Catherine. But that also brings me a new question Whatever happened to the body of Jane Boleyn? Was her head exhibited? Was she thrown in an unmarked grave?
Catherine and Jane are both buried in the chapel St Peter ad Vincula at the Tower of London along with their heads. Their heads were put on display like with Dereham and Culpeper and other traitors. In 1876 at the orders of Queen Victoria restoration work was carried out in the chapel. They found a number of skeletons. They found the skeletons of who they thought to be Jane and Anne Boleyn but they could not find Catherine Howard. It is thought her bones dissolved due to lime in the grave and because of her youth. The skeletons were then re buried in coffins and at the orders of Queen Victoria given grave markers. Before this they were in unmarked graves.
Please give proper historical names here. Jane Parker, Viscountess of Rochford (by marriage) - she was married to George Rochford Boleyn, Viscount of Rochford. She was not born a Boleyn. She was killed on February 13th, 1542 ...an inscription on a monument attests to this fact near the Tower of London, England.
I tend to use the names that are more popular and that are given in the primary sources, the documents from that time. She was known as Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford. She was a viscountess but the term "lady" was used in writing about her and addressing her. Her biographer, historian Julia Fox calls her Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford too, that's the title of her book. Both her maiden name and her married name can be used though. Mary Boleyn is listed in the primary sources in all kinds of ways - Mary Carey, Mary Boleyn, Mary Stafford, Lady Carey. Then we have Lady Kingston, Sir William Kingston's wife, who is always listed as Lady Kingston. Maiden names, married names and titles were used very interchangeagbly. I tend to focus for my videos on the names that most people recognise. Which monument near the Tower do you mean? She has a memorial tile in the Chapel of St Peter ad Vincula which is within the Tower, that dates to the Victorian era, and then there is the glass memorial on Tower Green at the Tower. I can't think of another.
I am in love with this series!! Bought all your books! Since high school I've been enthralled with English history. Someday I'll make it out of the USA and see it all with my own eyes!!
Thank you Clare. I enjoy your videos about the Tudors. Your very knowledgeable and have answered so many of the questions I’ve had. This video resolved the question of what the Queen said at the scaffold. As always good stuff!!
Just wanted to say thank you - after recently watching this video I bought Young and Damned and Fair and have just finished it. A brilliant read which has given me a much better insight into the people in Catherine's life, as well as the lady herself. I can see I'm going to need a bigger bookshelf :)
Thank you for this very interesting talk. You certainly managed to pack a lot into just over 9 minutes and I can hardly wait to start reading the books. I also enjoyed the surprise appearance of the cat.
I still would love to think that kathryn said i would rather be married to Culpepper etc!!! Thank you for changing my mind ( a lot ) about jane boleyn bc i always thought she did say her husband slept or did something inappropriate with his sister queen anne
I'm a new subscriber and absolutely love your series (I'm binge watching!). The Tudor dynasty has such intrigue, drama & heartfelt tragedy at times it still captivates 500yrs later. Thank you so much for keeping their stories alive and reminding us that outside the legends of these figures they were real people with real trials & tribulations. 💖
Catherine should never have married Henry. She was way too young. As for Jane, I really don't know enough about her. Maybe you could give us a quick lesson? The two books you recommended sound interesting. I will have to get them! Thanks for today's stories! Much love from Wisconsin, USA. 👸👑🏰🎪👍✌💙🙋
A video on Jane is coming very soon, although it focuses on one question about her. I do mention her in the George Boleyn Interviews playlist, with regards to be being married to George. I definitely recommend Julia Fox's bio, it is excellent.
Young girls marry rich men who are much older than them (as well as dissimilar in looks and personality) in our age, too. As money and status were her primary concerns, she didn't do too bad. If she had refrained from the adultery, she would have been alright to the end.
@@stompthedragon4010 I do not think Anne committed incest with George, or committed adultery with any of the others. From what I have read, she was nowhere near the man mentioned, was pregnant, or was recovering from childbirth.
Thank you for acknowledging the truth behind Catherine’s death. She didn’t say that she wished to die Culpeppers wife and that’s always irritated me when people believe that. Also on TheTudors tv show when Catherine is offered the chance to repent she rejects it saying “I’ve spoken to God so rarely I do not think he’d know who I was” but we all know that Catherine really did repent and died with a clear soul. In terms of films that give the best representation of Catherine, I highly recommend Henry VIII and His Six Wives with Lynne Frederick as Catherine. Although not 100% accurate it is far more accurate than any other portrayal of Catherine.
Isn't it possible that the English testimonies to Catherine's last words may have been sanitized because they were against the tradition of the time, and the Spanish recounting may have been truthful? It seems that the English would be inclined to present a version that was more favorable to the customs of the era while the Spanish would have nothing to lose by reporting a accurate version of her speech. She was a teenager at the time and might have had the rebellious streak that most adolescents possess. I know that if I had a chance to blast the establishment with my last words, I would have done it. After all, what did she have to lose?
Yes, I always wonder why they go to their deaths so meekly, saying the prescribed words. I'd be angry and shouting my truth at the top of my voice. I'd like to think the Spanish version was true, but I don't think it was. Something constrained them to follow the norms of society, even though from my 2020 vantage point, I see little for them to gain from that.
I need to read those books! I'm amazed and pleased at the number of names and family stories from my own, my husband's, and my best friend's genealogies I can find. Husband and friend are related to Thomas Boleyn, and I have Howards in my lineage as well.
It was terrible what Henry did to Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn, but poor Katherine Howard, she was so young and naive. The Duke of Norfolk had a lot to answer for concerning his two nieces.
When one compares the skilled Calais executioner brought especially for Anne Boleyn's death with the ordinary axe man who killed Katherine Howard, one can see how Henry VIII had coarsened over the years in his treatment of his wives. He cheerfully boasted that he had written a play about Anne; & that he believed she had slept with 100's of men. Yet he obtained a trained swordsman for Anne's death. Otoh, when poor Katherine Howard's childhood past as a victim of sexual abuse was revealed, he wept, raged & had her dispatched like an animal to a butcher's block. *Henry's* behaviour was appalling, even in an age of appalling brutality....
Me: Wow, this is very well-thought out and fascinating. She really knows her stuff and has some great arguments and supporting details. Will definitely revisit this page. Also me: KITTY!!!!!!!!
Very interesting thanks. Do you know who was killed first and whether the other had to watch? It’s pretty horrific to think about seeing/hearing the 1st execution and then putting your head on the same bloody block.
Another novel that I can recommend about Catherine Howard is "The Rose Without a Thorn" by Jeans Plaidy. And also "The Boleyn Inheritance" by Philippa Gregory. Both are fantastic books to read.
Hello Claire, thanks a lot from France 🇫🇷 May I ask something I am wondering, I would like to know if it is possible that they get some “drugs” before their execution? That will make them less anxious or suffering. I saw that in movies ( I mean other movies, not the ones related to The Tudors). Thanks a lot! Have a nice day.
I am amazed how many women were dispatched during this rather short period. In order to survive and live a long life, one had to play one’s hand very carefully. Intrigue in the court must have been constant and Henry must have had strong sourced which kept him in power.
Henry could not be stripped from power. His father, King Henry VII, passed into law that the monarch stayed within the family. He passed that into law right after he usurped the thrown by killing King Richard.
I’m reading Jane Boleyn: The Infamous Lady Rochford right now! (And I still need to get to Young & Damned & Fair) You recommending them makes me even happier I have them now x
I've always been absorbed and fascinated by lady Rocheford. Being around and involved with the Boleyn and the Howard families must have been an uncomfortable experience for her. I will read the book you recommend, hopefully it can throw some light on the real Jane, who l feel some sympathy for. On a more gory note ( sorry) , it must have been a horrible experience for whichever lady was executed second, having witnessed the others ordeal. I presume lady Rocheford would have died second, she being of lesser rank. What never leaves me though is the thought of what a monstrous king, Henry the eigth was. Thanks for the video Claire. Terry.
On this day in Tudor history died Bess of Hardwick 1608. Despite being within Stuart period she was a famous Tudor lady who lived from 1527-1608. She was the grandmother of Arabella Stuart the daughter of Charles Lennox and Bess's daughter. I mention this as I am from Derbyshire originally myself whose parental home is just 3 miles from the famous Hardwick Hall which was not only the original family home of Bess but also the one she rebuilt on a grand scale. Thank you, Claire, again for your history lessons. Not possible to remember all the events so you will have to have an extended series to squeeze other events maybe into 2020? God bless.
I just pick one event per day for my videos, but my book has multiple events for the day. It does mean that I can do a series next year too! Thank you!
I have to ask you whether there is any truth to the thought that Catherine Howard was a victim of child abuse. I read that this was the case and, if true, it makes her fate all the more poignant and tragic. To me, she is the saddest of all.
I don't believe so. In the case of her music teacher, Henry Manox, it is likely that he was only a little bit older than her and we know that there were always two teachers present at her lessons. They chose to meet outside of the lessons and they exchanged gifts. Nothing unusual was noticed about the relationship, only that he wasn't of her status. With Dereham, he used to visit her in the dormitory, along with other men who were in relationships with girls there. Catherine even stole the key from her stepgrandmother to allow the men in. The men took food for a midnight feast and then they had sex with the girls. The girls slept at least two to a bed and her bedfellow got so fed up of Catherine and Dereham doing things in the bed that she requested to swap beds with someone else. There is no suggestion from any who witnessed Dereham and Catherine together that he preyed on her. Catherine also changed her story between her first and second confessions. She only accused him of violating her in the later confession. They also referred to each other as husband and wife and exchanged gifts. And as for Culpeper, that seems to have been a mutual romance. They were involved when she first got to court but he broke it off and moved on to another girl, leaving Catherine angry and upset. They then reignited their relationship after she had married the king. It is not clear whether they actually slept together but they did meet for hours at night. Both denied a full sexual relationship, but both admitted to intending to do the deed at a later date. Again, there is no hint that Catherine was being used or manipulated, they seem to have been attracted to each other.
I would say it depends on which type of abuse. Sexual abuse? It seems like Katherine was a willing participant when she was a young teen. Emotional & physical abuse? I'd say most definitely! Physical punishment was the discipline of the day then. Plus, women were not encouraged to be educated and therefore were deliberately kept ignorant, which compounded the abuse of men referring to their wives as "stupid".
@@anneboleynfiles I think when people say Catherine was abused, what they often mean is that because of her age, she was simply *unable* to consent- given that she might've been only 12, & Henry Manox was older than her, it doesn't matter that she said "yes" or went along with it; it's abuse by definition. I don't know what to think about that, but I do think she was pretty typical for a teenager; I can certainly relate!
Curious Q: It goes w/o saying that with so many eyes and ears it, probably would have been hard to keep very many secrets within court walls. With that being said I am just curious how long after or perhaps around the time of his nuptual-executions did, it take word of his beheading reputation to spread throughout the countryside?
I also don't believe that it is right to make them to be courageous when meeting their deaths, when it is possible that there were anything else other than courageous.
Having Fat Henry show an interest in your daughter must have been a nightmare for any loving parent. knowing if you tried to prevent him he was quite capable and quite vicious enough to destroy your entire family
My first interest the subject of The Tudors was watching the show names of such. I'm glad that a lot the theatricals of the show are being brought up as being as such. My interest grew and grew every time I watch the show because some of that I didn't understand I went back and watched it four times because I often missed a whisper here and then whisper there that later explain things that happened so watching this show really helps explain a lot. If there is a movie or documentary that was better Siege what really happened please let us know I'm always looking for it shows or documentaries that I can see more of the facts and not so much fiction. Thank you for everything you teach
I'm not convinced he was that way during the early part of his reign. I may be wrong but it is widely accepted that he turned after a jousting accident. I find his entire reign fascinating.
Queen Anne was accused of adultry and incest, niether of which Queen Anne was guilty of . It was an excuse to 'divorce' Queen Anne so he could move on to his 4th wife, Lady Jane Seymour.
The injustice those women endured from Henry Tudor is appalling.
A very difficult time for women in general. We just hear more about the royals. Sadly, they had it better than the peasant women who were treated as actual livestock.
By today's standards these beheadings were injustice. By Tudor standards, it was completely justified. Katherine willing admitted she was in wasn't a virgin when she married Henry, after the fact. To do so in Tudor times was treasonous. Katherine's biggest mistake was to bring Durham into her household.
I must say I absolutely adore your series!!! ❤️💜❤️
You have a very irritating voice.... might want to think to have someone else read your words.... can you say, clawing my fingernails done a chalk board... I wish I was deaf and even maybe blind
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Um.. if you wish you we’re both blind and deaf. Then y do you even bother watching these videos??
Perhaps just so u can be rude??
Poor Catherine Howard, she was naive. So young and Henry so cruel. I cannot imagine the horror she endured.
Naive, yes. Young, not by 16th century standards. 18 y.o was not considered "young" in those times.
@@fjohnson3555 I don't care if it was considered young in those times or not. A persons brain doesn't stop developing until well into their twenties. So physically, an eighteen year old is not yet matured, so, however a person feels about it, is of no consequence, and cannot change that fact. No matter the time or era.
@@reneenayfabnaynay5679 ok, you don't have to care, .but the time era does matter, not your 21st century perspective. The fact remains that culturally and socially, 18 y.o., was not considered "young" in the 16th century.
Her own fault, she fucked up
Cruelty doesn't come into it. A queen's faithfulness was political. It was the only way to ensure that any child born to her carried the royal bloodline.
Thank you for your clear, concise explanations of these executions. I've read many different accounts of scaffold confessions that have turned out to be outright lies. Thank you for your research and the time you take to educate us 400 years later. From North Carolina, USA.
Thank you Claire, for having us rethink the untruths we have been told.
Nobody was safe around Henry. Those were dangerous years
Charles Brandon, only one
Catherine should never have married him, her family to blame for their greed
I don't think her family had anything to do with her. The king wanted her and the king got what he wanted. I think those of her family who new about her past must have been very worried when the king fell for her.
@@anneboleynfiles I agree to that to she or they the family probably were in a position they couldn't really say no I forget the times they were living in kim
@Artere Laksamana Informing the King that his daughter was not a virgin and had been 'loose with her favors' with multiple men? Well, she might have survived that, but it would have been very detrimental to most of the people around her, including herself. If she was lucky, she'd have been cloistered as a nun.
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society but didn't her uncle put her forth. Didn't Henry check with the family as to her character?
@Artere Laksamana when you speak in that manner literally no one of any high respect with a true answer will respond to you. It's history, we are all here because we love it and like to share information. History often changes and some is more fiction than truth, try asking next time rather than demanding that everyone, including the people who research it for a living, is wrong.
I completely agree. Those more "Hollywood" speeches don't ring true.
Most of the people that Henry VIII executed always "prayed for the King and his long life and good health," etc. etc. Why would they do that when he's the one that put them to death? The only thing I can think of is they said these things so the monster that was Henry wouldn't go after their surviving relatives and friends??? No wonder the French called Henry the "English Nero."
It was the standard thing for people to say, it didn’t matter who the king was.
And yes, it was probably done to protect their relatives.
Dude, you gotta wonder what Lady Rockford was thinking when she got involved with Kathryn and Culpeper. Surely she knew better! I would be interested to know what historians think about this. Thanks for this series and for the book recommendations. from Central Texas
Julia Fox, Jane's biographer, is of the opinion that Jane just got in too deep. That she helped them once and then that was enough for her to be guilty of misprision of treason, so she may as well carry on. Very sad.
I agree that Jane got in too deep. Do you think there may also have been a certain element of putting one over on Henry in revenge for the execution of her husband and sister-in-law?
@@shirleybray7327 Hmmm... possibly or perhaps she was just trying to please her mistress and queen. It's so hard to know.
Yes, especially since her husband and sister-in-law (George and Anne Boleyn) had been executed for sexual offenses that they did not even commit.
I'm new to the channel but I absolutely love the Tudor period. U r awesome. Thank you.
Just discovered your channel last week and so so loving these daily updates ! What a fabulous series! Thank you 🌻🌷🌺💐🌹🌸🌼
I feel like there are so many times when we need to say 'take it with a very large pinch of salt' when it comes to Tudor myths!
I really love your video. I binged the 1st month in 2 days. Thank you for all your hard work. I've learned so much.
Dear Claire you are amazing
Bonus today, Tudor kitty
Lol, I spotted kitty as well.
@@mrmainlobster Me too! LOL
Kitty is always like a video bonus. I enjoy feline cameos.
When?
I heard the miaow first!
I really appreciate you sharing the books. I look forward to reading some of these this summer.
Love this series! Claire is wonderful as narrator, the info is fantastic! Look forward to viewing all the videos I can. Excellent series!
I loved this topic! Would you consider doing a blog or your if your town? I'm so curious about Spain and small villages and I would love to see that church we hear. Also, this might be a lot to ask but I am going to ask because if you can do it..IT WOULD BE SO COOL!! You have mentioned that you live in a 300 year old house, please consider showing the house and the original parts. I just love history and old things, no matter what it is. The architecture has to be amazing and houses were built very different back then. I understand that this is and maybe too much to ask so if I have offended you or pushed you to feel uncomfortable then I truly apologize.
Thank you for all of your videos. I don't miss any!!
You haven't offended me at all but I think most people would want me to focus on Tudor history. If you look at my channel, there's a video last month (towards the end of the month) Tilting at the Rings Spanish Style, which shows some of my village.
The house is a bit of a project and we're having work done so a bit of a mess!
You are invaluably educational. And, as a fellow female, I can no longer restrain myself - - - this is a great cut for you, truly much more becoming than the longer styles we see on your channel. And the colour is most complimentary, as well!
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Thank you, you're so kind!
Thank you for clearing up these false speeches. Like you said, we must remember the grace and dignity with which Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard and Jane Boleyn met their deaths. All of these women had tremendous courage at the time of their grisly executions. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to walk up that scaffold and see the sword or axe that will chop of your head in a matter of minutes! Horrific.
Aren’t Spanish accounts so dramatic. It’s such a bummer so little seem to be true during these events. It’s almost a bit maddening that it was so sensationalized. I can’t imagine her saying that in any way.
I think it was the tabloid of its day.
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society , lots of crazy things being said of the royals today.
I will need to re-educate my daughter!!! She'll be so disappointed that the famous speech didn't happen after all. I am loving your videos and I'm learning so much through you. Thank you for taking the time to do these :)
Sorry!
@@anneboleynfiles Hahaha! Don't be, she'll appreciate the truth, she hates it when facts are twisted purely for entertainment. I've told her about your channel and I'm hoping she'll subscribe as well :)
@@Annie.C.61 Thank you for spreading the word. I know exactly how she feels!
@@anneboleynfiles It's a pleasure and an honour to do so. I feel the same, too. I love the story of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert but I was not pleased at the final scenes of the film The Young Victoria. These film writers may think they need to dress history up but they shouldn't as truth is rarely boring and even if it is, I'd rather boring truth than exciting lies. Lies nearly always result in disappointment. I did just speak to my daughter and actually, she was rather pleased at the truth, as was I :)
Thank again for the updated history information.. Love it and blessings on your wonderful work we subscribers much enjoy💖🌷 thank you for the special guest in the background 🐈😻
I can never get enough of Tudor history! Thank you very much for your fascinating videos.
RIP Catherine and Jane. I'm glad the executions were quick. They must have been so frightened. In a way it must have been worse for Jane in a way as she had to wait for Catherine to die first.Jean Newport gwent south Wales uk
I would like to reply to Jeffrey Suggs comment he made on my post. I would just like to clarify what I meant when I started that Catherine Howard and Jane Rochford's executions were quick ones, they took one blow of the axe each as far as we are aware. When we compare this with the following executions all with the axe.
1. Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury 27 May 1541. Who is reported to have told the executioner she was no traitor and if he wanted her head to take it as best he could. Then ensued a blood bath as he hacked away at her until he could take her head.
2. Mary Queen of Scots 8 Feb 1587 submitted to the executioner, the 1st blow missed her neck and struck the back of her head, the second severed the neck apart from sinews which the executioner sawed through with the 3rd stroke.
3. Thomas Cromwell 28 July 1540 some resources say the executioner botched it "having great difficulty in severing the head" others don't agree.
4. Duke of Monmouth, King Charles 2nd illegitimate son. He was executed by Jack Ketch who took multiple blows some say 8 others 5.
So in view of this I feel Catherine Howard and Jane Rochford were more "fortunate" than the other poor souls I have mentioned even though it must have been horrendous...we can only imagine how these people felt. Jean North, Newport gwent south Wales uk.
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"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
There are so many historical fallacies from around the world. Often they contradict themselves with their falsehoods within the same writings. Sometimes they make a more interesting story but it’s important to know the facts first.
I don't mean to be rude but you just described the bible
You have a lovely narrator's voice! Enjoy your Tudor videos very much and have subbed. Thank you!
The biggest Tudor question I have is what in the world Jane Rochford was thinking when she got involved with the Culpepper/Queen Katherine Howard meetings? She had been completely up close and personal with the fall of Anne Boleyn and George Rochford. Katherine and Culpepper, I can get my head around. Not Jane.
Thanks for the video. My kids and I are really loving this series Claire! Hope you had a great day
Great video, as usual :)
Really enjoy English and Scottish history! Irish too ! Especially Tudor and Plantagenet 😍! Enjoy your series
So love your videos every day. Thank you for doing them. I really enjoy the "This day in Tudor History" series as well as the other videos that you do. Looking forward to challenge 3.😁
Of course I adore this as much as the next person, but seeing a cat shortly before the 5:30 mark just made the video for me.
her kitty sometimes makes a show in her videos.
Originella Thought I was the only one. ☺️. Truly enjoy when animals make themselves known. Tho I think we are in the minority.
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 Never the only one when a cat is involved!
OMG it's true.... cat zombies exist
Originella Most definitely made the video for me as well! Always love catching a glimpse of the "Tudor Society" kitty! Meeooow!
Could listen to you all day Claire, really passionate and interesting x
Always fascinating …. I am watching you every day and learning a lot
Enjoying immensely!
As a great many letters are used as primary sources now and were used as evidence then, how did sending/receiving letters in Tudor times work?
I for one, would have been hesitant to receive mail. Someone could send you an unsolicited letter about a plot or something shady and you could have easily been caught up in one of the Cecils’ conspiracy sweeps. I don’t think claiming innocence and/or ignorance would have worked as a defense strategy.
I’m really enjoying this video series. Thank you for bringing little bits of Tudor to my days!
I can’t believe that Lady Rochford did not take the lesson about what Henry did to people he felt had betrayed him.
My birthday! Amazing, Thank you. Interesting and you speak so well. Very pleasant listening and enjoyable
🇦🇺🦘 Although Catherine Howard was found guilty, it is so sad that such a young woman had to die in this way.
As for Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford, I have always thought she was much maligned in Tudor history as a bad person. I don't believe she was bad, at all. She had to witness the death of her husband, George Boleyn, and others; and served 'the crown' until her own death, as convicted (with others) surrounding Catherine's deeds.
Thank you Claire. 👋👍
Really loving these videos claire and the book recommendations xx
Catherine’s story is heart breaking!
They said that Jane went mad before her execution.
I commented about that, also.
So The
Spanish Chronicle was perhaps like...The News of the World and The Daily Mail? Let's just make things up as we go along...and see what sticks? I guess that a lot did stick. Too bad, as fact can really be so much better than fiction...
Yes, just like today's tabloids.
You can add The Guardian, Independent and the rest of the so-called highbrow papers to your tabloid list. There are no journalists these days just an agenda and hacks paid to push through that agenda.
Did they ever recover the body of Catherine Howard? I know that Anne was buried (rather, stuffed) inside an arrow chest because there was not a coffin provided for her body,
And she wasn't buried inside the chest in the chapel, I think she was just stuffed underneath the church and forgotton about.
Same with George and Catherine. But that also brings me a new question
Whatever happened to the body of Jane Boleyn? Was her head exhibited? Was she thrown in an unmarked grave?
Catherine and Jane are both buried in the chapel St Peter ad Vincula at the Tower of London along with their heads. Their heads were put on display like with Dereham and Culpeper and other traitors.
In 1876 at the orders of Queen Victoria restoration work was carried out in the chapel. They found a number of skeletons. They found the skeletons of who they thought to be Jane and Anne Boleyn but they could not find Catherine Howard. It is thought her bones dissolved due to lime in the grave and because of her youth. The skeletons were then re buried in coffins and at the orders of Queen Victoria given grave markers. Before this they were in unmarked graves.
Thank you so much for the explanation! Conclusion: we kind of "unlearn" when take tv shows and spicy accounts as source of information. Greetings!
Please give proper historical names here. Jane Parker, Viscountess of Rochford (by marriage) - she was married to George Rochford Boleyn, Viscount of Rochford. She was not born a Boleyn. She was killed on February 13th, 1542 ...an inscription on a monument attests to this fact near the Tower of London, England.
I tend to use the names that are more popular and that are given in the primary sources, the documents from that time. She was known as Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford. She was a viscountess but the term "lady" was used in writing about her and addressing her. Her biographer, historian Julia Fox calls her Jane Boleyn, Lady Rochford too, that's the title of her book. Both her maiden name and her married name can be used though. Mary Boleyn is listed in the primary sources in all kinds of ways - Mary Carey, Mary Boleyn, Mary Stafford, Lady Carey. Then we have Lady Kingston, Sir William Kingston's wife, who is always listed as Lady Kingston. Maiden names, married names and titles were used very interchangeagbly. I tend to focus for my videos on the names that most people recognise.
Which monument near the Tower do you mean? She has a memorial tile in the Chapel of St Peter ad Vincula which is within the Tower, that dates to the Victorian era, and then there is the glass memorial on Tower Green at the Tower. I can't think of another.
I am in love with this series!! Bought all your books! Since high school I've been enthralled with English history. Someday I'll make it out of the USA and see it all with my own eyes!!
Thank you!
I love your videos. Thanks for all the great factual info. This is a wonderful series.
Just started watching your videos today and they are fabulous. Do you have a video on the inaccuracies of The Tudors?
Thank you Clare. I enjoy your videos about the Tudors. Your very knowledgeable and have answered so many of the questions I’ve had. This video resolved the question of what the Queen said at the scaffold. As always good stuff!!
Just wanted to say thank you - after recently watching this video I bought Young and Damned and Fair and have just finished it. A brilliant read which has given me a much better insight into the people in Catherine's life, as well as the lady herself. I can see I'm going to need a bigger bookshelf :)
Loved this!!! So wish we knew what Jane did in reference to Anne and her brother.
She lied and said they committed incest, aiding in their beheading
@@rebeckahcamden4461 She didn't, that's a myth. See my video later today. Unfortunately, the myth keeps spreading and is believed by many.
Just found this channel; thank you, excellently presented and full of information.
I can't get enough of your video's, I'm binging & you totally have another subber from Sydney Australia! 💕👍🏼💕🇦🇺
Great episode! 💖
Thank you for this very interesting talk. You certainly managed to pack a lot into just over 9 minutes and I can hardly wait to start reading the books. I also enjoyed the surprise appearance of the cat.
I still would love to think that kathryn said i would rather be married to Culpepper etc!!! Thank you for changing my mind ( a lot ) about jane boleyn bc i always thought she did say her husband slept or did something inappropriate with his sister queen anne
Thank you for clearing the myth about Catherine’s Howard’s final speech. What a young age to die. All she really guilty of is being Pawn for her uncle
I'm a new subscriber and absolutely love your series (I'm binge watching!). The Tudor dynasty has such intrigue, drama & heartfelt tragedy at times it still captivates 500yrs later. Thank you so much for keeping their stories alive and reminding us that outside the legends of these figures they were real people with real trials & tribulations. 💖
Catherine should never have married Henry. She was way too young. As for Jane, I really don't know enough about her. Maybe you could give us a quick lesson? The two books you recommended sound interesting. I will have to get them! Thanks for today's stories! Much love from Wisconsin, USA. 👸👑🏰🎪👍✌💙🙋
Jane Boelyn was the widow of George Boelyn, who was executed with his sister (Anne Boelyn, Henry VIII's second wife).
A video on Jane is coming very soon, although it focuses on one question about her. I do mention her in the George Boleyn Interviews playlist, with regards to be being married to George. I definitely recommend Julia Fox's bio, it is excellent.
Young girls marry rich men who are much older than them (as well as dissimilar in looks and personality) in our age, too. As money and status were her primary concerns, she didn't do too bad. If she had refrained from the adultery, she would have been alright to the end.
@@gidzmobug2323 I had to feel bad for Jane because George was cruel to her and she knew of his love affair.
@@stompthedragon4010 I do not think Anne committed incest with George, or committed adultery with any of the others. From what I have read, she was nowhere near the man mentioned, was pregnant, or was recovering from childbirth.
Yay a book recommendation! Lovely
a very interesting series. I love to read and see things related to Tudor history .
Thank you for acknowledging the truth behind Catherine’s death. She didn’t say that she wished to die Culpeppers wife and that’s always irritated me when people believe that.
Also on TheTudors tv show when Catherine is offered the chance to repent she rejects it saying “I’ve spoken to God so rarely I do not think he’d know who I was” but we all know that Catherine really did repent and died with a clear soul.
In terms of films that give the best representation of Catherine, I highly recommend Henry VIII and His Six Wives with Lynne Frederick as Catherine. Although not 100% accurate it is far more accurate than any other portrayal of Catherine.
Isn't it possible that the English testimonies to Catherine's last words may have been sanitized because they were against the tradition of the time, and the Spanish recounting may have been truthful? It seems that the English would be inclined to present a version that was more favorable to the customs of the era while the Spanish would have nothing to lose by reporting a accurate version of her speech. She was a teenager at the time and might have had the rebellious streak that most adolescents possess. I know that if I had a chance to blast the establishment with my last words, I would have done it. After all, what did she have to lose?
Yes, I always wonder why they go to their deaths so meekly, saying the prescribed words. I'd be angry and shouting my truth at the top of my voice. I'd like to think the Spanish version was true, but I don't think it was. Something constrained them to follow the norms of society, even though from my 2020 vantage point, I see little for them to gain from that.
The more of these I see, the better I like them. Well done!!!
Is there any day of the year that _isn't_ the anniversary of an infamous Tudor execution?
I need to read those books! I'm amazed and pleased at the number of names and family stories from my own, my husband's, and my best friend's genealogies I can find. Husband and friend are related to Thomas Boleyn, and I have Howards in my lineage as well.
How wonderful!
Love learning about history and have been obsessed with the Tudor dynasty and you are so amazing at explains facts of that time
It was terrible what Henry did to Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn, but poor Katherine Howard, she was so young and naive. The Duke of Norfolk had a lot to answer for concerning his two nieces.
When one compares the skilled Calais executioner brought especially for Anne Boleyn's death with the ordinary axe man who killed Katherine Howard, one can see how Henry VIII had coarsened over the years in his treatment of his wives. He cheerfully boasted that he had written a play about Anne; & that he believed she had slept with 100's of men. Yet he obtained a trained swordsman for Anne's death. Otoh, when poor Katherine Howard's childhood past as a victim of sexual abuse was revealed, he wept, raged & had her dispatched like an animal to a butcher's block. *Henry's* behaviour was appalling, even in an age of appalling brutality....
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I love watching your videos about the tudors times keep up the good videos 🙂👍
Very interesting thanks. Do you know who was killed first and whether the other had to watch? It’s pretty horrific to think about seeing/hearing the 1st execution and then putting your head on the same bloody block.
Another novel that I can recommend about Catherine Howard is "The Rose Without a Thorn" by Jeans Plaidy. And also "The Boleyn Inheritance" by Philippa Gregory. Both are fantastic books to read.
I enjoy your channel. Thank you
Hello Claire, thanks a lot from France 🇫🇷
May I ask something I am wondering, I would like to know if it is possible that they get some “drugs” before their execution? That will make them less anxious or suffering. I saw that in movies ( I mean other movies, not the ones related to The Tudors).
Thanks a lot!
Have a nice day.
I am amazed how many women were dispatched during this rather short period. In order to survive and live a long life, one had to play one’s hand very carefully. Intrigue in the court must have been constant and Henry must have had strong sourced which kept him in power.
Henry could not be stripped from power. His father, King Henry VII, passed into law that the monarch stayed within the family. He passed that into law right after he usurped the thrown by killing King Richard.
I’m reading Jane Boleyn: The Infamous Lady Rochford right now! (And I still need to get to Young & Damned & Fair) You recommending them makes me even happier I have them now x
RogieVixen young damned and fair is a great read!
I've always been absorbed and fascinated by lady Rocheford. Being around and involved with the Boleyn and the Howard families must have been an uncomfortable experience for her. I will read the book you recommend, hopefully it can throw some light on the real Jane, who l feel some sympathy for.
On a more gory note ( sorry) , it must have been a horrible experience for whichever lady was executed second, having witnessed the others ordeal. I presume lady Rocheford would have died second, she being of lesser rank.
What never leaves me though is the thought of what a monstrous king, Henry the eigth was. Thanks for the video Claire. Terry.
I've been getting stuck into this part of history lately , don't know why.
❤ Thank you Claire. Poor Catherine and Jane. Offense against the king VERY DANGEROUSLY indeed! They were certainly terrified. So sad.
Why not say "I die a queen, but I would rather die the wife of Culpepper"? Katherine had nothing left to lose. She had no family to worry about.
Is it true that Catherine asked for the block to be brought to her the night before so she could "practice"?
Yes, it is. She wanted to ensure that she died a good death, poor girl.
@@anneboleynfiles Wow. I was wondering about that.
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On this day in Tudor history died Bess of Hardwick 1608. Despite being within Stuart period she was a famous Tudor lady who lived from 1527-1608. She was the grandmother of Arabella Stuart the daughter of Charles Lennox and Bess's daughter.
I mention this as I am from Derbyshire originally myself whose parental home is just 3 miles from the famous Hardwick Hall which was not only the original family home of Bess but also the one she rebuilt on a grand scale.
Thank you, Claire, again for your history lessons. Not possible to remember all the events so you will have to have an extended series to squeeze other events maybe into 2020? God bless.
I just pick one event per day for my videos, but my book has multiple events for the day. It does mean that I can do a series next year too!
Thank you!
@@anneboleynfiles Thank you for your reply. I must buy your book today so that I am updated by your daily events now and beyond. Again much thanks.
I have to ask you whether there is any truth to the thought that Catherine Howard was a victim of child abuse. I read that this was the case and, if true, it makes her fate all the more poignant and tragic. To me, she is the saddest of all.
I don't believe so. In the case of her music teacher, Henry Manox, it is likely that he was only a little bit older than her and we know that there were always two teachers present at her lessons. They chose to meet outside of the lessons and they exchanged gifts. Nothing unusual was noticed about the relationship, only that he wasn't of her status.
With Dereham, he used to visit her in the dormitory, along with other men who were in relationships with girls there. Catherine even stole the key from her stepgrandmother to allow the men in. The men took food for a midnight feast and then they had sex with the girls. The girls slept at least two to a bed and her bedfellow got so fed up of Catherine and Dereham doing things in the bed that she requested to swap beds with someone else. There is no suggestion from any who witnessed Dereham and Catherine together that he preyed on her. Catherine also changed her story between her first and second confessions. She only accused him of violating her in the later confession. They also referred to each other as husband and wife and exchanged gifts.
And as for Culpeper, that seems to have been a mutual romance. They were involved when she first got to court but he broke it off and moved on to another girl, leaving Catherine angry and upset. They then reignited their relationship after she had married the king. It is not clear whether they actually slept together but they did meet for hours at night. Both denied a full sexual relationship, but both admitted to intending to do the deed at a later date. Again, there is no hint that Catherine was being used or manipulated, they seem to have been attracted to each other.
I would say it depends on which type of abuse. Sexual abuse? It seems like Katherine was a willing participant when she was a young teen. Emotional & physical abuse? I'd say most definitely! Physical punishment was the discipline of the day then. Plus, women were not encouraged to be educated and therefore were deliberately kept ignorant, which compounded the abuse of men referring to their wives as "stupid".
@@anneboleynfiles I think when people say Catherine was abused, what they often mean is that because of her age, she was simply *unable* to consent- given that she might've been only 12, & Henry Manox was older than her, it doesn't matter that she said "yes" or went along with it; it's abuse by definition. I don't know what to think about that, but I do think she was pretty typical for a teenager; I can certainly relate!
Curious Q: It goes w/o saying that with so many eyes and ears it, probably would have been hard to keep very many secrets within court walls. With that being said I am just curious how long after or perhaps around the time of his nuptual-executions did, it take word of his beheading reputation to spread throughout the countryside?
What u think of David Starkeys work?
I love these, Thank You ❣💖✌
I also don't believe that it is right to make them to be courageous when meeting their deaths, when it is possible that there were anything else other than courageous.
And in the middle of the executions...miew 🐈
Having Fat Henry show an interest in your daughter must have been a nightmare for any loving parent. knowing if you tried to prevent him he was quite capable and quite vicious enough to destroy your entire family
My first interest the subject of The Tudors was watching the show names of such. I'm glad that a lot the theatricals of the show are being brought up as being as such. My interest grew and grew every time I watch the show because some of that I didn't understand I went back and watched it four times because I often missed a whisper here and then whisper there that later explain things that happened so watching this show really helps explain a lot. If there is a movie or documentary that was better Siege what really happened please let us know I'm always looking for it shows or documentaries that I can see more of the facts and not so much fiction. Thank you for everything you teach
Henry VIII was such a bastard
I'm not convinced he was that way during the early part of his reign. I may be wrong but it is widely accepted that he turned after a jousting accident. I find his entire reign fascinating.
Not technically, of course, but he was rather cruel.
Well yes!
He should have known better. I swear I think the older Henry got, the more irrational and cruel he became. Poor child.
I’d love to know what you can tell us about Mary I and the Duke of Bavaria! Was there truth to it, I wonder...
Hi Clara, I know that he was interested in her, but which bit do you want to know about?
How scared and frightened catherine howard and jane must have felt hard times and how tragic.
What were these women accused of?
Queen Anne was accused of adultry and incest, niether of which Queen Anne was guilty of . It was an excuse to 'divorce' Queen Anne so he could move on to his 4th wife, Lady Jane Seymour.
They were both accused of high treason. See ruclips.net/video/jxxcTAxn0_k/видео.html for details.
RIP ladies