Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood | Aimee Byrd
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- While evangelicalism dukes it out about who can be church leaders, the rest of the 98% of us need to be well-equipped to see where we fit in God's household and why that matters. The Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Video Study will help improve the culture of our churches and disciple men and women to read, understand, and apply Scripture together within them. Until both men and women grow in their understanding of their relationship to Scripture, there will continue to be tension between the sexes in the church.
These videos explore questions such as: Do men and women benefit equally from God's Word? Are they equally responsible in sharpening one another in the faith and passing it down to the next generation? Do we need men's Bibles and women's Bibles, or can the one, holy Bible guide us all? Is the Bible, God's Word, so male-centered and authored that women need to create their own resources to relate to it?
The Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Video Study, featuring author and speaker Aimee Byrd, explore the feminine voice in Scripture as synergistic with the dominant male voice. Lessons fortify believers in a biblical understanding of brotherhood and sisterhood in God's household and the necessity of learning from one another in studying God's Word. This series helps to correct biblicist trends in the church today, affirming that we do not read God's Word alone, but within our interpretive covenant communities--our churches. The responsibility of every believer, men and women together, is being active and equal participants in and witnesses to the faith.
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God created male & female in His image. BOTH genders.
Many conservative Christian leaders are debating that
But gender itself is not part of the image of God strictly speaking, neither does both being made in His image imply they are created for the same roles, anymore than all the angels have the same duties because of their relation and equality in value.
@@NightHawkGaming23 - Spiritual gifts don't come in pink & blue. They're given to whomever God chooses, no matter the gender.
Kirk Perry
Be encouraged. God has always spoken through both men and women. To disagree is to ignore the Bible. Satan wants to discount as many people who are attempting to preach the gospel as possible. Sadly he uses many church people to do this. I believe in you. Don’t listen to the haters.
Thank you so much for opening this conversation in a positive and gentle way, and for being courageous enough to say that we can explore Scripture on this topic, rather than burying our heads in the sand. I look forward to hearing more.
@@Sanddollar1 , I disagree. You use the word 'explore.' We are called to study the Word of God. All my life I simply accepted what others had told me I ought to believe about a woman's role in the church. Finally, in my 50s, at my husband's request (who is a pastor), I delved into the Scriptures myself on the matter, accepting only what God's Word said about it, and not allowing church tradition to instruct me. As is always the case, the Bible spoke brilliantly. I view those who bury their heads in the sand of their denominational tradition and refuse to actually DEAL with the verses that clearly show women prophesying in the church, as the ones who are cowardly on the issue and won't read the Scriptures and let them cut to the heart of the matter.
@@Sanddollar1 I am not conflating those two things. I think women should be able to prophecy in the church since the NT clearly states in more than one place that women are given the gift of prophecy and that that gift should be used to edify the body. Paul is quite clear about the gift of prophecy, what it is to be used for, and its benefit to the church at large.
But I'm not talking about church leadership. Here's the thing -- I do not think the role of prophet/preacher should be confused with elder. The two are not the same. The modern church has done the conflating, as you call it. There's absolutely no reason that a preacher should be an elder. Those two roles should be separate. Church leadership should be done by elders. There is good reason to think that deacons and their wives served together. But women are given the gift of prophecy. I refuse to simply ignore Scriptural truth on that point.
A lot of people on here are saying there were no female deacons or apostles. This is not true. Read the Bible in Greek. Most of the male specific language in the New Testament concerning the offices were added by English translators and do not exist in the original Greek text that Scripture was written in. I actually wrote a book on this subject and have studied the topic for over a decade. Ladies the full 5 fold offices of God “And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers” - Ephesians 4:11 applies to you today. Don’t let anyone discourage you. God never put any limits on you.
This is a false teaching
Bleaux O'Dette “God never puts limits on you”? What about your sin?
What's the name of your book?,
@@amandadavis5367
“Is God a Chauvinist?”
Thank you, Aimee. This is exactly what the church needs right now. Stay strong--there are more with you than against you.
So thankful for this topic being opened up. God has designed for both men and women to carry his gospel to the ends of the earth. It’s so important to acknowledge that women have been repressed from this role for centuries, and that unfair expectations have been placed on men in ministry as well.
I wish I could express how grateful I am for this dialogue as a woman growing up in the church!!! Thank you thank you thank you
I've never understood why feminists can't just join the Episcopal Church and be happy with it. It seems like they spend A LOT of time trying to tear down churches who have stayed orthodox. I don't get it.
That seems to be happening in the PCUSA.
I was so thankful to see your new book, and intend to order it soon. We need more people who are courageous to ask good questions and look for scriptural answers that take in the whole scope of God’s word and God’s work among His people.
I so agree with you about cultural stereotypes that undermine what God has always been about.
Aimme, thank you for writing your book, I can't wait to read it! Please keep writing and saying such goodness. I'm sorry you are also dealing with so much hateful words from people who are supposed to be sitting at Jesus' table with you.
THANK YOU AIMEE BYRD for your courageousness to write this book
I'm cheering you on, Aimee!! Have ordered your book and excited to read it. God is obviously releasing this book at exactly the right time. He'll use it all for His glory!!!
I'm only 3 minutes in so far but... why does everyone need to be a "teacher." Scripture says most should not be teachers. There are ways to serve other than teaching. Scripture says...Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. James 3:1.
You're on to something there Janie.
JanieD Yeah, sure not everyone needs to be a “teacher,” but the question is - what if someone is called by God to be a teacher, and that someone so happened to be a woman? Is the woman not supposed to respond to God’s calling because the church says she can’t?
It’s not that anyone needs to be a teacher. It’s that anyone (male or female) that God has gifted to teach should be able to teach in any and all capacities
Not "everyone" needs to be a teacher. But those who are called by God, male or female, DO need to be. It's about fulfilling God's gifts and call.
We confuse personal ambition with God's calling.
What a wonderful message! My ears we're so tickled listening to it! Thanks for conforming to this world so the message of the gospel is easier to digest! Reading the Bible can only take you so far... We really need books like this to tell us what we want to hear.
Slow clap. You almost had me
I see what you did there😂 You had me for a second. I was going to put the verse here about ear tickling.
Good job brother
😂😎😁
Sorry honey, but look at all of human history and how men have persecuted women (it’s always men, oh , the folly of the destructive male ego..). Elevating men and making women be lower in rank in the church is the real, sinful, worldly message here. It’s used to pervert the Bible and uphold the sinful male ego/male entitlement. No wonder conservative churches attract narcissistic men and create narcissistic men. I know, it’s hard to accept, and you’ll probably respond that I’m a bitter man-hater, because that’s the only way you know how to react when you don’t get your way.
To quote a letter by the apostle Paul to his protege Timothy, a man who himself was raised and brought to faith by his mother and grandmother, who Paul commends as pinnacles of the faith in their church: "let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp the authority over the man. But to be in silence.” 1 timothy 2:11-12
The context is that Paul is instructing Timothy about the requirements of preachers and church officers, and as I said, Paul himself commended elsewhere in his letter Timothy's mother and grandmother (there's your female voice, by the way). So we know that Paul didn't want women to be utterly silent, only that their role was not as preachers, elders, and deacons in the church. Elsewhere they have plenty of work cut out for them in evangelism and teaching the next generation, as all Christians should be doing.
The interpretation is not foggy or confusing in the slightest. Only feminists and social "justice" warriors have a problem with it. But if you have a problem with this verse, you don't have a problem with me, or with Paul or Timothy, you have a problem with the God who created male and female in their specific roles. I pray anyone who reads this can set aside the buzzwords and triggering to see what God has intended for us, not to usurp and compete with each other, but to support each other in our proper and complimentary roles.
What about deaconesses?
Read Romans 16 also then please.
Thanks so much for writing this book, Aimee! Very excited it's out and just bought myself a copy via Kindle. :) Thank you for asking questions that need to be asked.
May God bless your ongoing ministry
Book looks great. Hopefully it will help folks understand a few of the issues of patriarchy.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is so important. This is some great stuff!
God bless you! Stay strong, and know you are a pioneer. So much called "biblical" that is not in the scripture at all.
I'm greatful for this book that is a response to that domestic abuse promo ad from John Piper.
This is the same woman who has said that women should be able to contribute to theology with their imagination. Yes, you read that right. She believes women should have a voice so they can creatively rewrite the meaning of God’s Word.
She's crazy!
Thank you so much for addressing these issues!
Jesus told Mary to go and TEACH the apostles about the resurrection. If you don't think women can teach men, you might not be following Jesus.
1 Corinthians 14:34
@@carmelinavann-schultz5730 I find it funny how often people don't address what Jesus said but find some other scripture as a reason not to follow the clear example of Jesus. You can do what you want but I gave my life to Christ, not Paul.
🤦🏽♀️ Firstly - The Bible is the inspired word of God. So what you’re saying makes no sense. 🧐 Secondly - Women should not hold authority over a man. In a church, or in marriage. Full stop. That’s some political feminist stuff and it doesn’t belong in true Christianity. Maybe to the lukewarms that’s offensive - but to us real Christians we know our roles as men and women. Women can teach children and other women. They can soul win outside of a church but in a church we are to remain silent. I follow Jesus. Not sure what you’re talking about brother.
@@carmelinavann-schultz5730 Interesting. Can you show me in the bible "political feminist stuff" or is that extrabiblical revelation? I am not sure who you follower of. I follow Jesus as he is recorded in the Bible. Maybe the Bible is just a book you pick and choose which to follow, i don't know. Jesus said many will say lord lord but they did not know him. I quoted what Jesus command a woman to teach to men and nobody seems to want to emulate Jesus. That last sentence should terrify you and cause you to see if you are following the resurrected God. I fear you have replaced Jesus with some man made teaching. Please turn.
Carl Thomas You said that you don’t follow Paul, you follow Jesus ?!? Remember the whole Bible is the inspired word of God. So if you separate Jesus from Paul that means you do not believe what the Bible teaches.
Which is:
That the bible was THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD!
Jesus is part of the God head. God existing in three persons, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you studied your Bible you would learn about this.
You’re spreading a false doctrine by instructing women to teach the gospel.
Telling women they can teach the gospel goes against what God tells us. Don’t take what Jesus said out of context.
Advising women that they can hold authority over man is modern day feminism which has NO place in Christianity.
Jesus said go TELL the disciples of my resurrection. STOP taking the message out of context. Women can evangelise outside of the church, but they are to keep silent in the church. (Meaning they cannot hold a leadership role in the teaching of a Church congregation)
Your the kind of lukewarm Christian the Bible WARNS us of. I have nothing more to say to you besides to read your Bible.
Rachel Held Evans?
Really looking forward to reading your book! Sounds fascinating. I didn't realize there were videos too.
I am looking forward to this. Thank you for your work.
Better to read Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood instead, which is more accurate!
Been looking forward to this book for a long time!!
Now I know why the Orthodox Presbyterian Church is failing. It is failing because the Gospel is not preached. People are not confronted with their sin and their need for Christ, and the door is open for stealth feminists like Aimee Byrd to preach a different “gospel”.
Failing because men refuse to be men. I highly suggest following Michael Foster's work.
itsgoodtobeaman.com/about/
Also, the faithful in the OPC need to start standing up against these false teachings. Don't leave the OPC. Stay. Fight for the Word.
One must ask, does what Amiee Byrd write and say square with the Word of God? It is my studied point of view that what makes her thinking so dangerous to the biblical witness to what it means to be a Godly man and Godly woman is she totally underestimates the depth of our depravity as human beings and of our fallen-ness (in both men and women) - and in doing so she attempts to normalize certain aspects of human "intimacy" outside the marital relationship. I would have no problem if the title of her book was "Why Can't We Be Friendly". The fact that it isn't as she argues for being "sacred siblings" should send up red flags within the Church and with those who think her brand of evangelical feminism has a place in the Christian community. Fair warning is given to avoid her and her advocacy of the need to "recover". None such is needed when it is based on what the Scriptures have to say - and which Amiee Byrd misrepresents.
Read Romans 16 also then please.
@@tominjoshua OK. And your point is? If I can assume what that is - All the women mentioned are in the company and under the leadership of men - and no where is there any suggestion that false teaching is NOT to be resisted (as Romans 16:17 clearly states). So I ask you - respond to my assertion about what Bryd says about what it means to be a man (and her insistence that Scriptural admonitions are to be dispensed with) and in a larger context, what it means to be human, as image bearers in God's world?
How can she be accused of being pro-feminist if the title of the book is calling out conceptions of womanhood? She might actually be helping unbelievers come to Christ. Believers may know enough to not care one might about a gendered view of scripture (How it's patriarchal) but it's a huge hang up for some unbelievers. Maybe Aimee is just trying to level the field by suggesting that the Bible can be looked at as speaking with a feminine voice and make it easier for unbelievers to believe and focus on the fundamentals of salvation and faith
“How do we answer those radical feminists who accuse scripture of being a patriarchal document ?” “Where do we serve?” How about demonstrating the love of Christ to the radical feminists and unbelievers in you neighborhood and praying that they are convicted by the Holy Spirit and become an radical believer in Jesus THE CHRIST!.
We tell them the Bible is a rabidly patriarchal document, we shouldn’t be ashamed of that fact it is the way God intended it.
@@evangellyfishlife8479 The word "partriarchy" like AD, Jordan Peterson, and others have so carefully explained is a loaded term. I would take a different tact. I would say to any feminist (or human being for that matter) that repenting and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ elevates everyone (man, woman, or child) to become a child of the most high LIVING GOD!
BelieveOnlyJesus God is glorious because he is patriarchal, he is glorious because he has made his world and men patriarchal, you seem to care more about the feelings of fallen human beings than you do the glory of God, this is the problem with all of our churches today we are ashamed of the God of the Bible and we want to hide his true identity from others, this is shameful
@@evangellyfishlife8479 I care not one wit about what this culture thinks. I am almost 60 and have seen enough confusion and ignorance in today's culture over the years that it has dangerously seeped into the Church. God did indeed made Adam first and then Eve as his helpmate. The problem with discussing the term "patriarchy" with the unbeliever is that they only see it from an evil perspective. I try to use language that gets them off their predefined script and point to Christ. The same would be said if I speak with a "Jehovah's Witness". I do not let them get away with using their predefined terms. I tell them that actually, they are not "Jehovah's Witnesses". Jesus was the TRUE WITNESS and proceed to demonstrate this using the Bible. Ultimately, we are called to win them over, not argue with them for the sake of arguing. The same I would do with Aimee Byrd. If she really wants to follow Christ, then why is she not calling upon more women to be evangelists? See my point?
Evangellyfish Life Yes, the Bible is a patriarchal document because God is identified as Father, Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit is referred to as He.
Dearest Father God please protect your children from WOLVES in sheep clothing. They with smooth flattering seductive speech, who seek to deceive and fleece your precious flock by causing doubt and confusion in the minds of Believers. Your Word is clear. We of the household of faith, desperately need your discernment in this day.
Yet again someone trying to gain wealth by marketing product. This plays like an advertisement. The bible is sufficient for all correction and reproof. God's Word is clear on HIS role distinctions of man and woman. Whether people accept HIS design is the choice at play. Sadly unbiblical choices effect others and can harm the body of Christ.
Jack Jones where is the list of roles and spiritual gifts for men and where is the list for women? Yes, the Bible is clear. There are no roles assigned, but we are encouraged to seek God’s gifts. All one in Christ Jesus.
I am delighted to see this and I’ll go get that book on Kindle!
Well said, Aimee!
It is a Patriarchal document, because God wants it that way here on Earth. The gospel is upside down this side of eternity. In eternity, all will be equal again. Here on Earth, we will never be able to be equals with men. However, God’s love is equal for both men and women.
Oh dear…
Me thinks Aimee might have an agenda in mind, no?
SHE has no agenda. She's just deceived and carrying out the agenda of our adversaries unwittingly.
She might not have an agenda, but Satan, using her dissatisfaction, sure has an agenda.
@@localeditor2148 Agreed.
Nothing I just heard interests me in consuming anything more on these "topics." Far too much concern focused on "church officers" and "roles." Jesus tells us we're to be fishers of men - ALL of us - and that not all are called to the same task.
The Holy Spirit is actively working on our behalf to provide discernment - IF we desire it. I couldn't care less about female angst in the 21st century.
So, you are just asking questions, but you want to make sure elders discuss "what I teach about how to communicate God's Word and commune in God's Word" with their congregations...right.
Printed on sandpaper?
I never know what this woman is talking about, when speaking or in print! She has an incredible talent for making things much less clear over the course of a multitude of words. So many words, so little said. Just blithering on!
So why are you here? Oh, to criticize. Got it.
I know, it’s a pity it takes intelligence to follow her.
Pausing in a contemplative fashion while describing something gives the impression that you are still trying to figure things out. So it’s strange to hear that she isn’t merely participating in but leading the discussion.
It’s plain and simple
Seems like you've picked just the right name for your book to appeal to everyone that disagrees with you
Why does there need to be " women's literature" in scripture. Scripture is relevant to everyone and does not need to contain "women's literature. " Also, issues about who should or should not be ordained are not cultural. That issue shouldn't even need to be up for discussion. Scripture is clear about women's role in the church. They should not be ordained and given authority within the church. - 1 Timothy 2:11-12
Yes ... except, there were women prophets in the NT (not to mention the OT). And prophets in the NT were clearly preachers. And Paul is very clear about what prophets did in the church - exhorting and encouraging. And women prophets were named in the NT. And in no place in the NT was their work at all criticized. So what am I supposed to with ALL that Scripture? Ignore it? No. I am to take all that Scripture says about women's role in teaching in the church, and do the hard work of reconciling it all, rather than picking out one or two verses and shutting my ears to the rest.
MK Christiansen they can exhort or encourage but not from the pulpit or official leadership. Titus 2
There are definitely standout prophetesses in the OT and NT and one Judgess. Nevertheless, the normative NT imperatival teaching to the churches is office restricted men only. Also, as the husband is head of the wife.in apostolic teaching, one cannot see how this could fit in any taxonomy as other than some form of patriarchy. It should be interesting to see how she rejects these.
@@adamvandermolen9945 , pulpit? What pulpit? Are you adding to the Word? Paul does not mention pulpits nor sanctuaries. When he says he does not allow a woman to speak in the church, he means "church" as he always does: the body of Christ. I'd love to know what denomination abides by that understanding of that verse - OPC? RPCNA? PCA? Of course not. Nobody does that -- i.e., silencing women from speaking at all as soon as members of Christ's body are meeting together. EVERYBODY takes that verse and tweaks it, giving a spin and interpretation on it that feels more comfortable to their particular denomination.
What we must ask is this: what in the world does Paul really mean in those two verses? And how do we reconcile them with other passages that clearly show that women were gifted and called to teach in the church? In my opinion, we've messed up by binding the position of pastor/preacher with that of elder/ordination. But we've clearly messed up, and our women in the church are the ones suffering for it, for centuries. What kind of speaking is prohibited? Certainly not Priscilla's admonishing of Apollos. Why not? What about Philip's four daughters, all prophetesses? Were they silent while with other Christians? How then could them admonish and exhort? What about the "sons and daughters" in Acts 2? Are the sons prophesying in the body of Christ, and the daughters outside the body? Where do Paul or Luke ever instruct about women exhorting ... but not in a sanctuary or behind a pulpit? They were meeting in houses! The argument is ludicrous. I'd also love for anyone to show me a single verse in Acts (a book dedicated to visiting all those NT churches and addressing the conflicts and problems in the early church) where the behavior/participation of women in those churches was criticized at all. Whatever they were doing, it was not a problem.
What it seems like to me is that the male leadership in the church for centuries have used these texts (with good motives, generally) to bind others in the church while leaving themselves free. It reminds me of what Jesus said to the Pharisees: "They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger." Men in leadership in the church are quick to ordain each other, even ordaining men who have been caught in serious sin, even covering up an ordained man's sin and passing him on to other churches ... but refuse a woman to be able to speak in a church because of these 2 verses. I've been told before that I cannot sing a solo from behind the pulpit, and given a lectern on the floor to sing from, lest I be considered to be 'preaching.'
I personally feel we will all get to Heaven and discover that this issue has been used to harm the church, and that we've been disobedient to Scripture, in this matter.
@@bigbenpbr , please read my reply above.
Wayne Grudem warns against this book!!
Sounds like a bunch of mumbojumbo, she has her secular view and now she's trying to twist scripture to fit it
People, read Jude.
Women have lots of roles - just not a Pastor as scripture says he should be a 'one-woman man' (husband of one wife) so that is more than clear. Women who are seeking guidance / counsel one on one? Perfect, a godly older woman, as scripture says... (Titus 2:3-5). That duty can't be filled by a Pastor, it's not morally safe plus women can understand women better. Hence the reference given in Titus 2. ♥️
A constant dripping on a day of steady rain
And a contentious woman are alike;
He who would restrain her restrains the wind,
And grasps oil with his right hand.
As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife (Pro 26:21). Men quarrel and stir up strife too.
"How good and pleasant it is
when God's people live together in unity!
It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down the beard,
running down Aaron's beard,
down the collar of his robe.
It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore."
We are all the bride of Christ. We are all brothers and sisters through him.
We are allowed and expected to have dissenting ideas and we can reason with one another, but we are to do it with gentleness, graciousness, and love. "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." Even to those who are clearly out of line.
Not that Aimee is, but if you perceive her to be, I would expect you to engage with her gently and with respect as a fellow believer. Is this book something aimed at bringing dissent, purely inflammatory and only made for shock value... or is it gently asking people from a position of humility to reconsider their views on these matters? Have you even yet read a word of it?
And if you truly believe that you as a man have a greater responsibility for the welfare of your sisters in Christ, I do not see how taking her down a peg and attempting to shame her is done out of love and loyalty to Christ and the Church.
People who love women will tell them the truth:
People who hate women will encourage them to "do what your heart desires."
1 Timothy 2:12, 13
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
Perhaps the "discussion" needs to start with a counter series entitled, "Recovering from unBiblical Manhood and Womanhood"? This subject is far more important than the question of whether or not women should be leading and teaching in the church. Here is why...
The Bible's teaching regarding the roles of men and women in the church is straightforward, particularly in regards to the area of teaching and authority. There hasn't been much confusion on this subject until the advent of feminism.
When churches begin going down the path of adopting the radically distorted hermeneutics of Liberalism for texts dealing with any particular subject, it never stops there.
Today it is women teaching. Tomorrow will be the ordination of women. Next week it will be waving the rainbow flag.
Wow! What an emotional response... what are you so afraid of?
Not much one can say to such a vapid reply.
Ms. Byrd criticizes "parachurch ministries" (read: CBMW), but doesn't seem to have any problem using a an extremely lucrative parachurch organization (i.e. Zondervan, an imprint of multinational publishing giant HarperCollins) as a platform for her agenda. How odd.
See also www.fivesolas.church/recovering-from-aimee-byrds-promotional-video for a helpful critique of this video.
I'm dumber having listened to this video
I don't think that's clinically possible
Well, you did a good job explaining your viewpoint, but not on anything else.
Anyway, thank’s for the gospel according to… um, what is it… Amy Bird. Read the bible please, woman.
100% this!
There are two iron-clad truths in the Bible: (a) We live in a divine monarchy - we have a king (Jesus is Lord) and, (2) We live in a cosmic patriarchy - we have a heavenly father. These are inescapable truths in the created order as God made it and we would thrive and be much happier if we moved with this flow rather than searching endlessly to find the illusive counter current.
Those are your "iron clad truths." Wow. I'd pick different ones. I'd love to show you the times in scripture that feminine language, metaphors and imagery are used for God, but I suspect it would not matter. What does moving with the flow mean to you, in this case? Never mind.
Where is your husband?
If married she thinks it's her
He's busy doing what Adam did.... going along with Eve. Hating his wife by giving her what she wants. Leading her to death by refusing to lead.
Not doing his damn job evidently
Thats my question too
What an awful misinterpretation.
Yes, it's hogwash
Pushing a certain position of propoganda.
That's a polite way to put it
Here is a question for you Aimee: Why should I care an inch about what YOU have to say regarding a theological topic that belongs among elders in the churches. If you want to know what the Bible says about the roles of men and women in the churches, seek the answer from Scripture. Seek the answer from your godly, biblically ordained elders. DO NOT SEEK counsel from a female who is distinctly NOT called to provide counsel or guidance or teaching in this area in the churches. This is how women do an end-around on Scripture's teaching about the roles of men and women in the churches.
Aimee: how do we answer radical feminist who accuse the Bible of being a patriarchal document?
Answer: Biblical patriarchy is not immoral. It is God's design and God's design is perfectly moral.
That's one way to answer it that accords perfectly with Scripture.
Sick of this drivel.
Women are called to submit to their husbands. To raise their children well. To manage the household in a godly manner. To disciple other women. They are NOT called to the office of teacher, not are they called to preach or serve as elders and I reject the idea they are even called to be deaconesses. Serve the body, yes! Serve in that office? Nope.
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What concerns me is how these Scriptures regarding women's roles in the church and in marriage are automatically applied to other areas of life by some complementarians. Should women be permitted to work outside the home? If so, should women be permitted to hold leadership positions over men in the workplace? The Bible doesn't forbid women from working outside the home or holding positions of authority at work.
I can't imagine raising a daughter and saying to her: ""Sorry, you have the highest grades in your class & God has obviously gifted you, but you can't follow your dreams to become a scientist/engineer/politician, etc. The only path for you is wife and mother. Your brother can become whatever he wants, though. He can have the glorious role as parent plus whatever else he chooses to pursue" I can see how this would drive women away from complementarianism.
This sort of thing was common in my church growing up. I was an A student, but was pulled out after tenth grade.
You should care about what she says for the same reason that Timothy cared about what his Grandmother and mother modeled for him in faith (2 Timothy 1:5) and for the same reason that Apollos should care about what Priscilla taught him, and the church at Cenchrea should care about what Phoebe said to them. And because believers are all called to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ (Ephesians 5:21). She doesn't have to be a man or an elder to qualify for your respect.
Also, men are called to raise their children well every single bit as much as women. And called to manage their household well.
And there were women apostles and deacons in the church during Paul's lifetime, that he commended and respected. Let's not forget that.
what is this chic babbling about??
Ugh. The Bible is a patriarchal book. Get over it. This woman is shameful. She needs to be Matthew 18’d. Somebody please, save the OPC.
Comments like this push me farther and farther from the complementarianism I once embraced.
@@ens92108 yep. Ditto.
Jesus actually spoke to women and listened to their words and opinions respectfully; Jesus actually had female FRIENDS. Modern-day male complementarians don't respect women or their opinions and accuse women of sin if they try to speak openly in the Christian community (outside of church), which is not forbidden in the Scriptures. Have you noticed that male complementarians will always quote the apostle Paul and never consider how Jesus treated women? Cherry-picking Scriptures is pushing both men and women away from the church.
Alētheias my faith remains in Jesus Christ, the eternal Word. My faith is not in complimentarian theology.
Alētheias No. I have written about “head” or “kephale” and what I think it means. God is in authority over me. I’m not oppressed, and that is because my husband is a partner and we are heirs together.