I've got a video on the glass lens for the Turtle. You can buy the glass lens as an upgrade for current owners and they plan to transition to the glass lens moving forward. The glass lens is better.
IMO ducts alone cause so much disruption in airflow down through the support ribs that it changes the flight characteristics dramatically. I have the tomaquad whoopie and iFlight iX2 whoop and both of these came alive with better handling and more power when the ducts were removed. And btw , if a duct is not shaped in a conical fashion, with tight clearance between the prop and inside of duct then it's only serving as a prop guard , or rather a performance killer. But if a duct is designed as intended , then it aids in self stabilization , always wanting to self level, so if you want to go fast, then the proper duct design will fight you .
I bought one on day one and flew it with a 460mah 4S. No fires thankfully in 4S but You’re right the pendulum effect is nuts! I think it might be a weight problem combined with the ducts like you say. Drove it into the ground on my first power loop because of the pendulum effect and snapped the frame in 2 places. So no, the frame really isn’t that sturdy. Also, only difference I noticed between 3S & 4S was punch out speed. Recovering from dives or powerloops didnt feel any different between the two battery sizes.
Yeah just super weird flight characteristics. I could not believe how poorly it felt in the air. I'm surprised anyone is defending it and telling me I'm not flying it right....if all I'm supposed to do is hover I don't want to fly it 🙄
Another great Review Kabab. Guys remember also if you do not plan on posting footage do not spend money on HD whoops. The FPV view through these HD Dvr camera is not great and will likely disappoint you greatly if you donot adjust your goggles to compensate. The FPV view is usually very bright when you have your camera set correctly for recording. Albert has all of the optimal settings in some videos. As I always say Thank you Albert for your hard work there. I will have an 85x non HD V2 up in a couple days so we can see if the esc issue is fixed there as well. It should be of coarse. Again thanks to Kabab for his hard work and if you haven't subscribed to him yet do it now!
To eliminate the narrow view change the camera format to 4:3. For racing try 120fps without dvr recording and adjust the brightness. The video will look amazing in the goggles.
As a new flyer, and betafpv 75 pro 2 user. Being new, I would think the ducts provide a level of reliability. I crash my 75 frequently and hard and it has been taking a beating (not sure a open prop quad would handle the same abuse?) I think that 85 is on the beginner flying skills/wanting to get into cine quad flying. Sure it isnt going to freestyle great and be snappy and all those other things, but I dont believe that is their target audience. So far I have been happy with their products, and would gladly tell anyone to purchase one.
Ducts only increase thrust when the gap between the duct and the blade is incredible tiny. The vast majority of quads out there with ducts do not gain any thrust from them. (I believe the shendrones cine whoop had to work on his tolerances for this reason and uses modified props to get extremely tight clearance. Also I am almost entirely convinced at this point the main reason the tinyhawk has been my favorite "whoop" in the recent past is because the prop tip turbulance for the most part happens outside the shroud because ia more like a protective shroud than a wannabe duct and there is only obstruction on the less turbulent intake side not on the thrust side
I’d like to add to this comment that shendrones ducts’ design is not left to chance. Apart from having the small as possible inner gap against the propeller it has conical shape at the top, or what is called “channel wing” principle, which creates a different pressure zones and therefore creating much more thrust than any other just vertical shape ducts. I highly recommend Tom Stanton’s video on the subject and his practical approach called channel wing. This is to my opinion why Shendrones fly significantly better than any other ducted drone. Thanks Bob also for this great and sincere review.
For ducts to give better thrust and efficiency you need the gap between prop tip and duct to be almost none existent, like less than 1 mm. Efficiency comes from removing the drag at the prop tip.
I think it flies pretty damn good especially for something with prop guards. It goes exactly where I point it and has enough weight and power to not get blown around like a leaf.
Not related specifically to the betafpv, but you made a comment about disturbance of input air vs. output air from the prop. It would be interesting to test the theory that not having anything in the output flow path is better by making one of your frames run with motors below the arms and props on the bottom. The trick is to design some kind of landing gear to keep the props off the ground. (Of course this is easy for ducted props, but I am thinking of 3-5" quads.) It seems like it would also have the benefit of keeping the camera view clear without sticking the camera way out front.
Being an older newbie to fpv (not rc) I have bought 3 betafpv quads and all of them have issues. The Meteor65 which I love to fly takes multiple arming attempts to get all 4 blades to spin (RDQ is sending me a replacement), the X knight VTX menu locks up every time I tried accessing it then after half a dozen flights the FC burnt (RDQ will be sending me a new one when they get it back in stock) and the Hx100se won't show a menu to change the band or channel. Unfortunately I fly dsmx so my quad choice is limited (I'm open to recommendations). I love flying fpv but given the issues if it wasn't for RDQ customer service I'd probably be bailing on fpv (not a plug for RDQ, I'm nothing more than a customer with no other affiliation - just being honest).
Hi Given the high cost bought for this betafpv 85XHD, I find it unfortunate that the problem is solved in 3S but not in 4S. Have you planned an esc that works in 4S?
@KababFPV Did you get my link for the Xfire version? I don’t think this quad is for your style of flying, but thought maybe the internals would be a good platform to build off of....
@@EvPv yeah I don't see anything about CrossFire from anything official beta but it would be super easy to just plug one in and I expect that's what they're doing.
@@sketchpv3080 After listening to some files of a guy I fly with that had conversation while the quad was sitting, armed, and flying, I realized that the audio quality from the mic isn't shit, it just has WAY too much gain and so anything where you're actually flying just keeps the mic peaked. It doesn't make the audio good, but it is significantly improved
What about a larger version of the EMAX Tiny Hawk for Robert? Instead of raising the ducts above the prop line just flip the motors. Maybe he could come up with some larger EMAX over bell style props. Just throwing ideas out there. Great video as always!
I notice the props thin down to a narrow tip on the Beta, but Robert's are more "bullnose" style, which extend all the way to fill the inner diameter of the duct. I wonder if props like that would improve the performance of the beta, and how it would affect flight times? The motors certainly look big enough to handle it. Think you could test this out? Thanks for all your videos.
Roberts were some of the very few prop options we had back then. Wasn't for any particular reason. That little quad flew like crap no matter what you'd do to it. That's just the nature of pure photo setups. It's all about the shot. Everything else comes second
@@Kabab Thanks for the reply. Since he could carry gopro guts for 5 minutes with something that small, I figured he must be doing something right. I seem to remember a RCmodelreviews video about ducts, where he said part of the benefit is to eliminate vortex rings, and needless "blending"/rotation of the air, and to focus it into straight downward thrust, and wondered if full-filled ducts maximize that.
@@AricBlunk ducts are a nice theory but not really worth the tradeoff of sideways air blocking in drones. Shendrones Squirt with its massive ducts gets about 15% additional thrust when props are cut down perfectly and that's not bad because it's meant to fly slow and any additional thrust is good, but you can't really do acro with it. Ducts on whoops have zero effect on thrust, they shouldn't even be called ducts - they're just prop guards :)
Awesome video !!!!! Thanks man! Amazzballz I am a super noob :/ looking for my first drone... will order awesome fatsharks with bundle antenna receiver. Wondering which drone to get to slowly learn flight & then free style :)
Right, seems too heavy for 3s. My 4s 3” quad is 82g and it teleports. Beta Sure has the looks down. They need to make 4s 3” one. Looking like that. Will fly great.
@@Kabab I was hoping a special sauce tune like mocking bird could help bring the good qualities out, but dismal component can only perform so good- so don't buy a beta85 lol. Check-
that pendulum effect maybe coming from the way the frame from the center to left and right might kinda angled upward? some of these plastic frames tend to bend up on the left and right like that kind of concave like. also the frame material is great they dont break like ever, but a frame that big is RIGHT at the edge of limit of where these plastic frames and 3d printed frames start to perform crappy... ive got a beta 65 pro2 and its great little thing, the 2s kicks ass. the 1s is great for indoor. and i think these are more for like learning, flying inside with other people or in areas with people and theyre good enough to hold signal and video, good to modify for a longer range little cruiser... the megabee for example is ducted the beta 85x isnt ducted it has prop guards, their so small... but ducts will get more thrust however thats at higher speeds the optimal application for ducted motors is like model jets for alotta physics reasons with highers peed torque neded type thing, the motor needs to match the purpose, you cant duct something setup opposite of ducted and get any reasonable performance from battery etc but if you build for it your motors arent gonna struggle etc... just like high kv motors with high pitch props yes higher pitch gives more thrust BUT.....you get the point.
Mine is going back to supplier too , it caught fire on the first flight ( 4S - as advertised ). Wish I could get my money back , don't really trust a replacement now.
I just tried those 2" props today, on 1103 toothpick. and it was so slow. I guess I can fly around my small backyard and need good control. but out in the open, it's just sooo slow. you flew 100% throttle in the video ?
I believe that weight is the main culprit here. In micro quad class being several grams heavier or lighter make very noticeable difference in control. From my humble practice 2" quad with weight above 85g already begin to feel weird and above 95g control become noticeably uncomfortable. 116g is a way to much - it will allow slow cruising, but no joy from flying anymore. For 105+g total weight quad must have 3" props with 1105+ motors on at least 3S battery to have fun from it.
So, this with a glass lens and a Toothpick treatment to run it on the HQ T3x3x3 props would actually make this into something impressive - albeit limited by 3S/450mAh performance. I think the real use case for this was to make a small, budget Cinewhoop concept, at which it HAS succeeded... but it's not a compact racer.
I have one. Was gonna do the video today but then I opened the box and it's in pieces 😂. I dunno if I'll get around to building it. Maybe if people really want me to when I show parts. I'm generally uninterested in it and asked them not to send it to me.
Let's be straight forward... This is the same as the TinyLeader! No purpose for it! ... No purpose for ducted prop guards! It's all just marketing! Taking advantage of the who0p craze! 😒 Just imagine how good this could be with a traditional carbon fiber frame. You say it is a good quad, but you also say it doesn't fly good, has a pendulum effect, and you question its purpose. So, you mean it's good because it comes with good components, not because it's a decent flyer. 🤔 Because a truly good quad does what it was designed to do good - fly awesome! Which this doesn't! Let's face it, it's not a who0p, it's a bloated COW! TOO HEAVY, like so many so called fake heavy who0ps... One's that try too hard to put too many features, too heavy of components, making it fly crappy... Like a bloated cow would fly! There's no purpose. Now, transfer all the components onto a carbon fiber frame and I'll bet it's 10 times better! Keep those REAL who0ps light and nimble, and manufacturers don't try to do too much! 👍😎🤘
yep, weight is a big issue. those "cinewhoops" made only for slow cruising... throw away those motors, heavy stack and caddx turtle. put on it f4 aio board, aio cam and 1103's with 2s lipo - it will be totally different experience
Simply because it has a caddx on board and cannot fly fast no matter what you do, it kinda changes the category. I'm definitely not a fan of this thing but I can see where they were going with it. I thought the frame and setup would be garbage but I half understand it now that I hold it and fly it. Still makes little sense to me and without the HD it would be total trash. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt but I don't recommend it and highly doubt many will buy it. I'm looking for the Mobula HD which will probably perform better but will break if I look at it too hard...
@@Kabab Don't go getting your hopes up for the mob7 hd. I want the new motors from the mob7 HD and the FC (f4) (with improved esc's) to fit to the original mob7. HD and whoops doesn't work. At present, you can fly well or have HD imho. You should check out Nathan Loops vids - ruclips.net/video/xWScVLFuqxw/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/uMueoUuaRZ4/видео.html
@@Kabab... Another video said it's under powered, having trouble not bottoming out on the ground when trying to pull out of dives, etc. Motors should have maybe been one size up? 🤔 I think it will end up being the best of this class to date simply because it's so light. I think you've not had a chance to use the Mobula7 with the V2 or Trashcan V3 frame? It's way more durable and not so easy to break, like the V1 was. It was fragile, but change that frame or buy the new V2, and I think we have the best flying brushless who0p out to date! Fast and nimble! Hope to see your review of the HD... Thanks for all the efforts you put into this and the positive change you're doing for the hobby! You're a flossing and flying fiend! Lol 😎🤘
I don't recommend any of them. Not this beta, not the iflight and not the mobula. These things fly awful. Anyone buying one should absolutely be aware of how awful they fly. They are essentially just mini blimps.
Not all ducted micro quad duct geometry is the same. The real issue started with the inductrix. The inductrix's was supposed to fly pretty flat which is great for how those ducts were designed. However, people put a cam on it and suddenly flying at 15degrees ruins how those ducts are supposed to draw in laminar air. Since then, many manufactures have just continually destroyed the duct geometry (especially at the top of the duct). Then the manufacturers sold it to consumers under the pretences that they were equivalent and unfortunately consumers bought them without knowing better. Simply put the betafpv 85x does not have ducts, it has bumpers.
The lizard is less reliable than most of this stuff. It's fine. I actually like the lizard more but I wouldn't recommend any of these RTF builds. You're always better off building it yourself.
Agreed this is not a fun powerful fast freestyle quad, I have been flying mine ( videos on my channel ) in the garden doing tricks and also filming my dog ( just for practice ) and also down the field to get a feel for this thing, the control issue is odd and I can't fly it very accurately yet but I'm getting better with practice. I will be making some video of interesring places in Yorkshire when I go out and about with this though so that could be where this comes into its own maybe, small enough to carry round easily and not big enough to bother people much...
It'll be soooooo much better if you transferred it to a traditional carbon fiber frame! This isn't a who0p! It flies so weird because it's a BLOATED COW! No worries! Most of the so-called cinewho0ps are that way too! Way too heavy to be on a flexible who0p type frame! Transfer it and watch it soar, be a smooth flyer, have more predictable power, much better handling, and I'll bet... Less jello! 👍 As it is, this is a marketing gimic to take advantage of the who0p craze! They tried to do to much! Made it too heavy, and forgot the #1 rule of who0ps! They need to be light as can be which makes them fast and nimble! They lost the proper power to weight ratio! 🤔😎🤘
@@scootroter4859 this is simply not a whoop, it is a cinewhoop, it's for filming imho, it can go where a normal carbon frame dare not without any risk and still get hd footage. I'm leaving mine as it is for now at least, I think it will make some good videos as it's safe around people etc, if I want a powerful racing freestyle with hd I would just get something else or move all the parts onto carbon frame like you say. Love my mobula7 for outside garden etc and proper brushed 65mm whoops for indoors racing and freestyle... This is simply not much fun but more a useful tool for showing off hd footage.
@@FlyingFun. You're right, it's not a who0p! Not close, because those are light as can be and nimble... And this is certainly neither of those! Lol I don't know what it's good for because it doesn't fly well with the pendulum effect, yaw wash out, and overall weird feel when flying. So, if it flies weird, has those issues with stability, is it really a worthwhile cine quad? I question... I also have serious doubts about its safety flying around people! It's so heavy, hitting a person with it would definitely hurt bad! Prop guards or not. Unless you're just doing what Bob says it does ok at - hovering! Lol Then, what's the point of a quad that only hovers good?! IMO, it's a marketing gimic to get sales from the who0p craze... And it failed. Many broken frames, jello, instability in flight, and burned up ESC's reported. Again, before yours breaks, burns up, or simply craps out on you, like the Toothpick transfers help true who0ps that are light and nimble, I'd transfer this while it's still alive. Maybe make it purposeful and actually fly good! 🤔😃 A carbon fiber frame could probably be had for under $25 !👍
@@scootroter4859 i flew into my own leg and I did feel it lol, but no damage done to anything, if it was a none ducted quad I'd have ripped trousers and a cut leg for sure. I've seen some nice videos from cinewhoops and I will be attempting to make similar ones with this, it needs a tune to get it to fly smoother for that though, I think we will see better cinewhoops before long. Like I said I have quads for all other occations like racing freestyle etc so no need to change this to a carbon frame just to duplicate what I already have... Though that is an option for people who buy this and want more performance.
I'm not talking about doing it for more performance, i.e. speed....I'm talking about doing it because it flies like crap! lol I know any quad you take the prop guards off will fly much, much better, so why not improve the way it flies? Because that's the issue with this quad - it doesn't fly good. Plus, I think you need to come to grips with two things: 1. It still isn't safe to fly around people with those large motors and that kind of weight. Imagine hitting someone in the head! :( 2. It's not a who0p! So, get rid of the who0p-ish frame and put it on a frame that will IMPROVE IT'S FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS. ;) I really think you'll be very happy with it then!
Ordered mine on CNY directly from BetaFPV...still not shipped and no substantial info whatsoever when it will. I appreciate if companies (seem to) take responsibility, but leaving customers in the dark for such a long time is not the way to handle this imho....really disappointed with BetaFPV :( Dont even know what I will hopefully get one day....I ordered a 4S whoop and it seems they are shipping out 3S quads now....
Mmmmmm I would cancel my order. The Toothpick HD frame I have coming will be an overall better option for people wanting to fly outside with any performance at all. This thing has pretty poor performance
I'm still waiting for replacement parts from my November order, so I wouldn't hold my breath. A friend had dead FC out of the box and sent them countless emails before asking PayPal for refund - they didn't even respond to that so PayPal just refunded him.
On something like this, none at all on a proper carbon fiber frame would most likely fix it! It's not a who0p! It's way to heavy! It's a quad with prop guards, and we know those are always better without the guards! 🤔😎🤘
All this talk of your toothpick frames in the comments, where can I buy one?? Edit disregard I should have checked the description in the last update vid 😂
I find it hard to trust betafpv because of the 85X problems. They made a product, sold it on the promise of 4S, started a bunch of fires (which isn't really funny), then they came out afterwards and said "ok so the 4S quad is now 3S, don't run it like we said you could". So next time can they announce a 6S one and then once they sell tons of them say "actually guys this quad is 3S only, don't run a 6S on it"? Feels like they are charging their customers for R&D, rather than selling final products.
Yeah that's a lot of what this industry is. There aren't really any regulations so things develop and move quickly. It's definitely how we got to where we are today but I definitely understand your point and agree. A little testing is in order to assure things are at least safe. The fact that these things can even light on fire is ridiculous. That shouldn't be something that's happening.
You’re right, it doesn’t compare to your toothpick, or any of the other light-weight frame whoops (non-inductrix) craze that, well...you started! Swap this powertrain to a different 100mm frame, and 65mm props, and this thing will rip! So, it’s really the small props, that make this thing suffer. Swap all that to the toothpick with the 65mm prop, and see what you get!
I appreciate that BetaFPV is trying to do new things and is fairly open about issues publicly, but what is gonna kill them is their slow-to-non-existent 1on1 communication with customers. It's just beyond useless. Other Chinese shops' customer supports will make you feel like a VIP after trying to talk to BetaFPV...
I agree with you about the performance, pretty disappointing. On 3s it's only good for cruising. Betafpv reversed the props to help with yaw washout but that makes it worst. I'm not confident in the 85x electronics lasting. When mine craps out, I'm not spending more to fix it, it's going in the trash. Micros are awesome for small areas but building is the way to go.
Before it dies... Transfer it to a proper carbon fiber frame! I bet you'll like it soooo much better! It should have never been confused with a who0p! A who0p is light as can be and fast and nimble. This is none of the above.... But transfer it, and I bet it'll be pretty go0d! 🤔😎🤘
yes, frame design needs to change to allow these 2” hd drones to perform like the larger ones. These designs are great for making the drones much safer in crowds but hinder the maneuverability depending on its design. I still consider this kit as a good step forward. Video seems good unless its really cold out. thats when jello shows up. Otherwise it makes for a good slow and steady nano filming platform.
Thanks for the weirdest review of the Beta 85X. The points you made are likely far over my head. I assume from your tone that you are one of the leading pilots and designers in the industry. I wonder why you would even bother with a quadcopter like this. I think it occupies a sweet spot in a sub 250g future. Everything I was looking for. And I can afford one. But I'm new here. Thanks for the country club perspective.
Lol the country club perspective. That's a good way to put it. It's a popular craft and these cinewhoop things are very desirable these days. I just received the one from iflight and it's similarly bad but it's still HD and small.
I hate sounding negative, but this isn't the first time they have had multiple issues. Turn the clocks back a year plus to the release of the 75 pro, WOW did that whoop have problems! I mean the X series had a lot of headaches too. To each their own, but years of hit or miss products, even other pilots here in the comments stating crap...I'd pass! They do seem to genuine on wanting to give the community good running quads. But when half of them don't work, I think you move on....and build😉
Yeah this really has been my experience the whole time too but most people around me say theirs always run perfect and are more reliable than others. Trustworthy people with no real allegiance to any brand.
@@Kabab I completely agree, I've been in the hobby little over year an have tried 3 different beta products, every single one had issues....then at that point spring came an I built my 1st quad...went from there. Either way point is most in the hobby haven't even touched half the shit they say is crap lol. Hence why I moved from crossfire to r9 an haven't had one single rx burn out, codex error, failsafes. Learn from hands on experience, wish more had the common sense to know that lol. Happy flying bud, glad this little dude worked out for yeah!
@@stephenchurns6634 yeah it usually affects the vtx first. Things go black and then I stop flying. Let it dry a day or two and it's fine. Never had issues with that but it only works with clean water. No salt water at all.
@@Kabab there are no normal motors for such size, they all eat allot amps. with small quads i get better results with 3-4s than 2-3s (same total weight)
@@RcReviewsLt the small quads you're running must all have prop guards because it's the exact opposite on the toothpick build. The guards increase the power requirement needs of the whole system. More voltage can help with that and that's likely where you're seeing the benefits.
Try using one of those 2S AIO boards and some 1103 motors. You can drop the all up weight by like 40g. It makes it quieter, safer, and improved the performance a lot. Check it out! ruclips.net/video/SdAEzuvYbdk/видео.html
They call it a cinewhoop. Not made to fly balls out lol. The catching on fire thing is a real deal breaker to me. Burn the woods down or catch your house on fire. No Go for me
I don’t understand this ‘beta fpv are a great company’ It’s the same untested shit as all the other whoops. The only benefit is you can buy it from more reputable local shops to help you out. I don’t know a single person who has one of any flavour who hasn’t had problems out of the box. Boards resetting on every crash, motors with washers stuck to the windings and so on. An 85mm whoop is not a whoop. It’s nigh on the size of a 2.5” quad with 1/10th the performance
Good job, I agree with you about the betafpv company and I love my beta85xHD.I got the first version and I stopped fly with 4s ; only 3s 650 and 2s 600, gave me a flight time of about 5 minutes,. I bought this trying to make some cinematic videos and I think the thing can do it! Here a test I posted yesterday, stabilized and upscaled ruclips.net/video/-MjaCgwkS28/видео.html . Keep up the great job!
"had problems with their electronic boards"...flying his quad in the rain....
I've got a video on the glass lens for the Turtle. You can buy the glass lens as an upgrade for current owners and they plan to transition to the glass lens moving forward. The glass lens is better.
Yeah I remember that. I'll add it to the description.
Albert, have you experimented with ND filters combined with the glass lens? Any recommendations?
I also upgraded to glass lens for the turtle and it's a big difference IMO.
You could cut a small bit of phone screen protector to fix that gripe easily
This is my first fpv quad. Fell in love with the hobby and I am learning at a great rate with this quad.
I always get excited when I see you have a new video out
Thanks for great video, finally my 85x HD is flying great
Love the beta 85x and agree, betafpv are doing quality work. So refreshing after flying lots of cheap quads
Awesome video! Thanks for the review and especially for your candor. Keep it up, please.
IMO ducts alone cause so much disruption in airflow down through the support ribs that it changes the flight characteristics dramatically. I have the tomaquad whoopie and iFlight iX2 whoop and both of these came alive with better handling and more power when the ducts were removed. And btw , if a duct is not shaped in a conical fashion, with tight clearance between the prop and inside of duct then it's only serving as a prop guard , or rather a performance killer. But if a duct is designed as intended , then it aids in self stabilization , always wanting to self level, so if you want to go fast, then the proper duct design will fight you .
I bought one on day one and flew it with a 460mah 4S. No fires thankfully in 4S but You’re right the pendulum effect is nuts! I think it might be a weight problem combined with the ducts like you say. Drove it into the ground on my first power loop because of the pendulum effect and snapped the frame in 2 places. So no, the frame really isn’t that sturdy. Also, only difference I noticed between 3S & 4S was punch out speed. Recovering from dives or powerloops didnt feel any different between the two battery sizes.
Yeah just super weird flight characteristics. I could not believe how poorly it felt in the air. I'm surprised anyone is defending it and telling me I'm not flying it right....if all I'm supposed to do is hover I don't want to fly it 🙄
Another great Review Kabab. Guys remember also if you do not plan on posting footage do not spend money on HD whoops. The FPV view through these HD Dvr camera is not great and will likely disappoint you greatly if you donot adjust your goggles to compensate. The FPV view is usually very bright when you have your camera set correctly for recording. Albert has all of the optimal settings in some videos. As I always say Thank you Albert for your hard work there. I will have an 85x non HD V2 up in a couple days so we can see if the esc issue is fixed there as well. It should be of coarse. Again thanks to Kabab for his hard work and if you haven't subscribed to him yet do it now!
Was it fixed?
To eliminate the narrow view change the camera format to 4:3.
For racing try 120fps without dvr recording and adjust the brightness. The video will look amazing in the goggles.
As a new flyer, and betafpv 75 pro 2 user. Being new, I would think the ducts provide a level of reliability. I crash my 75 frequently and hard and it has been taking a beating (not sure a open prop quad would handle the same abuse?) I think that 85 is on the beginner flying skills/wanting to get into cine quad flying. Sure it isnt going to freestyle great and be snappy and all those other things, but I dont believe that is their target audience. So far I have been happy with their products, and would gladly tell anyone to purchase one.
awesome quad, nice review, thank you very much and have a great weekend :)
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Ducts only increase thrust when the gap between the duct and the blade is incredible tiny. The vast majority of quads out there with ducts do not gain any thrust from them. (I believe the shendrones cine whoop had to work on his tolerances for this reason and uses modified props to get extremely tight clearance.
Also I am almost entirely convinced at this point the main reason the tinyhawk has been my favorite "whoop" in the recent past is because the prop tip turbulance for the most part happens outside the shroud because ia more like a protective shroud than a wannabe duct and there is only obstruction on the less turbulent intake side not on the thrust side
Right I have a feeling a lot of that is going on too. The props are actually not totally inside the duct/guard whatever.
I’d like to add to this comment that shendrones ducts’ design is not left to chance. Apart from having the small as possible inner gap against the propeller it has conical shape at the top, or what is called “channel wing” principle, which creates a different pressure zones and therefore creating much more thrust than any other just vertical shape ducts.
I highly recommend Tom Stanton’s video on the subject and his practical approach called channel wing.
This is to my opinion why Shendrones fly significantly better than any other ducted drone.
Thanks Bob also for this great and sincere review.
These aren't ducts, they're prop guards
For ducts to give better thrust and efficiency you need the gap between prop tip and duct to be almost none existent, like less than 1 mm. Efficiency comes from removing the drag at the prop tip.
I think it flies pretty damn good especially for something with prop guards. It goes exactly where I point it and has enough weight and power to not get blown around like a leaf.
if you like to fly in the rain the put RainX on your lens. Makes a world of difference. The drops don't stick to the lens.
why use RainX if you can just lick the lens? xD
Not related specifically to the betafpv, but you made a comment about disturbance of input air vs. output air from the prop. It would be interesting to test the theory that not having anything in the output flow path is better by making one of your frames run with motors below the arms and props on the bottom. The trick is to design some kind of landing gear to keep the props off the ground. (Of course this is easy for ducted props, but I am thinking of 3-5" quads.) It seems like it would also have the benefit of keeping the camera view clear without sticking the camera way out front.
Yeah the trouble is the logistics of dealing with nothing to land on
@@Kabab I almost always land upside down anyway, I could make it work.
how do you like the esc today? has the new version held up?
it's blheli32, 16a and small enough for me to fit it on the toothpick fc
Cannot wait for my toothpicks to come in.... any info on the ETA of order 800ish?
Znow ditto, I’m just trying to find a crazybee F4 that’s local but they’re all sold out!
lots are on the way. I've just stopped sharing all information because so many companies are copycats
Being an older newbie to fpv (not rc) I have bought 3 betafpv quads and all of them have issues. The Meteor65 which I love to fly takes multiple arming attempts to get all 4 blades to spin (RDQ is sending me a replacement), the X knight VTX menu locks up every time I tried accessing it then after half a dozen flights the FC burnt (RDQ will be sending me a new one when they get it back in stock) and the Hx100se won't show a menu to change the band or channel. Unfortunately I fly dsmx so my quad choice is limited (I'm open to recommendations). I love flying fpv but given the issues if it wasn't for RDQ customer service I'd probably be bailing on fpv (not a plug for RDQ, I'm nothing more than a customer with no other affiliation - just being honest).
Hi Given the high cost bought for this betafpv 85XHD, I find it unfortunate that the problem is solved in 3S but not in 4S. Have you planned an esc that works in 4S?
Are you ever gonna build that budget quad you have in your description? I’m interested in building something similar
Probably not. It's gonna fly fine but I don't see a point. I know it'll fly well. I don't really need any more quads.
13:30 Could you just flip the frame over or mount the motors facing down.
Ah yep, the landing issue
@KababFPV Did you get my link for the Xfire version?
I don’t think this quad is for your style of flying, but thought maybe the internals would be a good platform to build off of....
Yeah they're for sure purring the Xfire in themselves.
Ohhh is that what’s happening?
So it’s not available from Beta then?
Well If that’s the case, I apologize
@@EvPv yeah I don't see anything about CrossFire from anything official beta but it would be super easy to just plug one in and I expect that's what they're doing.
Well at least there’s a “micro” size board you can add a proper Rx too
Just a heads up, liquid tape over the mic significantly improves the audio.
Hmm, interesting! I might try it on my Split. I would think zero sound would come through after it is coated, but apparently not.
@@sketchpv3080 After listening to some files of a guy I fly with that had conversation while the quad was sitting, armed, and flying, I realized that the audio quality from the mic isn't shit, it just has WAY too much gain and so anything where you're actually flying just keeps the mic peaked. It doesn't make the audio good, but it is significantly improved
@@sketchpv3080 ruclips.net/video/TiqLPTNMRJw/видео.html
Here's one of the videos after we coated the mic
If i was into cinewhooos I would have gotten this but I like speed. Hard for me to fly slow. Another great video.
I love my Meteor 75. I added a liquid armor to the frame.. I haven't needed to replace it since.
I'm hard on them 😜👍.
What about a larger version of the EMAX Tiny Hawk for Robert? Instead of raising the ducts above the prop line just flip the motors. Maybe he could come up with some larger EMAX over bell style props. Just throwing ideas out there. Great video as always!
Yep an option as well but this already exists
Interesting product, me and my buddy are just waiting on those frames and motors to start the build.
I notice the props thin down to a narrow tip on the Beta, but Robert's are more "bullnose" style, which extend all the way to fill the inner diameter of the duct. I wonder if props like that would improve the performance of the beta, and how it would affect flight times? The motors certainly look big enough to handle it. Think you could test this out? Thanks for all your videos.
Roberts were some of the very few prop options we had back then. Wasn't for any particular reason. That little quad flew like crap no matter what you'd do to it. That's just the nature of pure photo setups. It's all about the shot. Everything else comes second
@@Kabab Thanks for the reply. Since he could carry gopro guts for 5 minutes with something that small, I figured he must be doing something right. I seem to remember a RCmodelreviews video about ducts, where he said part of the benefit is to eliminate vortex rings, and needless "blending"/rotation of the air, and to focus it into straight downward thrust, and wondered if full-filled ducts maximize that.
@@AricBlunk maybe but I doubt we're seeing any effect on these little things other than just blocking thrust and causing things to fly awful
@@AricBlunk ducts are a nice theory but not really worth the tradeoff of sideways air blocking in drones. Shendrones Squirt with its massive ducts gets about 15% additional thrust when props are cut down perfectly and that's not bad because it's meant to fly slow and any additional thrust is good, but you can't really do acro with it. Ducts on whoops have zero effect on thrust, they shouldn't even be called ducts - they're just prop guards :)
Awesome video !!!!! Thanks man! Amazzballz
I am a super noob :/ looking for my first drone... will order awesome fatsharks with bundle antenna receiver. Wondering which drone to get to slowly learn flight & then free style :)
Right, seems too heavy for 3s. My 4s 3” quad is 82g and it teleports. Beta Sure has the looks down. They need to make 4s 3” one. Looking like that. Will fly great.
It's actually not too heavy maybe. Kinda almost right in line with weight. I dunno exactly what is making it fly like shit.
maybe a project mockingbird setup for this thing? Bueler?
It's hard to fix hardware with software
@@Kabab I was hoping a special sauce tune like mocking bird could help bring the good qualities out, but dismal component can only perform so good- so don't buy a beta85 lol. Check-
that pendulum effect maybe coming from the way the frame from the center to left and right might kinda angled upward? some of these plastic frames tend to bend up on the left and right like that kind of concave like. also the frame material is great they dont break like ever, but a frame that big is RIGHT at the edge of limit of where these plastic frames and 3d printed frames start to perform crappy... ive got a beta 65 pro2 and its great little thing, the 2s kicks ass. the 1s is great for indoor. and i think these are more for like learning, flying inside with other people or in areas with people and theyre good enough to hold signal and video, good to modify for a longer range little cruiser... the megabee for example is ducted the beta 85x isnt ducted it has prop guards, their so small... but ducts will get more thrust however thats at higher speeds the optimal application for ducted motors is like model jets for alotta physics reasons with highers peed torque neded type thing, the motor needs to match the purpose, you cant duct something setup opposite of ducted and get any reasonable performance from battery etc but if you build for it your motors arent gonna struggle etc... just like high kv motors with high pitch props yes higher pitch gives more thrust BUT.....you get the point.
Mine is going back to supplier too , it caught fire on the first flight ( 4S - as advertised ). Wish I could get my money back , don't really trust a replacement now.
Did you get your hands on the mobula7 hd yet? So do you know how it performs in comparison to the beta 85x?
Not yet. On the way
hey is the bug for 220x motors on all versions of betaflight??
I just tried those 2" props today, on 1103 toothpick. and it was so slow. I guess I can fly around my small backyard and need good control. but out in the open, it's just sooo slow. you flew 100% throttle in the video ?
Yep but the battery doesn't like it.
So you're suggesting Tiny Hawk style ducts on the 2" frames? Probably would make sense.
Na. I'm no fan of ducts but for this thing I can see that they'll actually hold up
Nice car man! 😍👍
I believe that weight is the main culprit here. In micro quad class being several grams heavier or lighter make very noticeable difference in control. From my humble practice 2" quad with weight above 85g already begin to feel weird and above 95g control become noticeably uncomfortable. 116g is a way to much - it will allow slow cruising, but no joy from flying anymore. For 105+g total weight quad must have 3" props with 1105+ motors on at least 3S battery to have fun from it.
So, this with a glass lens and a Toothpick treatment to run it on the HQ T3x3x3 props would actually make this into something impressive - albeit limited by 3S/450mAh performance.
I think the real use case for this was to make a small, budget Cinewhoop concept, at which it HAS succeeded... but it's not a compact racer.
No issues flying in the rain?How did you fly so far on the reversal video?
Reversal? It's got a huge canopy over it so no rain issue unless it's coming down pretty hard.
KababFPV I was speaking of the cool video in the end where you played the video backwards.
@@twisted337 ah. That was Robert. It wasn't so far. He was standing somewhere in the middle. Just flying around himself.
Hey, any chance you could review the eachine tyro79?
I have one. Was gonna do the video today but then I opened the box and it's in pieces 😂. I dunno if I'll get around to building it. Maybe if people really want me to when I show parts. I'm generally uninterested in it and asked them not to send it to me.
albert kim also has a video about glass lenses for the turtle
Let's be straight forward... This is the same as the TinyLeader! No purpose for it! ... No purpose for ducted prop guards! It's all just marketing! Taking advantage of the who0p craze! 😒
Just imagine how good this could be with a traditional carbon fiber frame. You say it is a good quad, but you also say it doesn't fly good, has a pendulum effect, and you question its purpose. So, you mean it's good because it comes with good components, not because it's a decent flyer. 🤔 Because a truly good quad does what it was designed to do good - fly awesome! Which this doesn't!
Let's face it, it's not a who0p, it's a bloated COW! TOO HEAVY, like so many so called fake heavy who0ps... One's that try too hard to put too many features, too heavy of components, making it fly crappy... Like a bloated cow would fly! There's no purpose. Now, transfer all the components onto a carbon fiber frame and I'll bet it's 10 times better!
Keep those REAL who0ps light and nimble, and manufacturers don't try to do too much! 👍😎🤘
yep, weight is a big issue. those "cinewhoops" made only for slow cruising... throw away those motors, heavy stack and caddx turtle. put on it f4 aio board, aio cam and 1103's with 2s lipo - it will be totally different experience
Simply because it has a caddx on board and cannot fly fast no matter what you do, it kinda changes the category. I'm definitely not a fan of this thing but I can see where they were going with it. I thought the frame and setup would be garbage but I half understand it now that I hold it and fly it. Still makes little sense to me and without the HD it would be total trash. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt but I don't recommend it and highly doubt many will buy it. I'm looking for the Mobula HD which will probably perform better but will break if I look at it too hard...
@@Kabab Don't go getting your hopes up for the mob7 hd. I want the new motors from the mob7 HD and the FC (f4) (with improved esc's) to fit to the original mob7. HD and whoops doesn't work. At present, you can fly well or have HD imho.
You should check out Nathan Loops vids - ruclips.net/video/xWScVLFuqxw/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/uMueoUuaRZ4/видео.html
@@Kabab... Another video said it's under powered, having trouble not bottoming out on the ground when trying to pull out of dives, etc. Motors should have maybe been one size up? 🤔
I think it will end up being the best of this class to date simply because it's so light.
I think you've not had a chance to use the Mobula7 with the V2 or Trashcan V3 frame? It's way more durable and not so easy to break, like the V1 was. It was fragile, but change that frame or buy the new V2, and I think we have the best flying brushless who0p out to date! Fast and nimble!
Hope to see your review of the HD... Thanks for all the efforts you put into this and the positive change you're doing for the hobby! You're a flossing and flying fiend! Lol 😎🤘
Check out Nathan Loopz channel. Yes, Mob7 HD and awesome freestyle flying is possible!
My beta fpv 75x HD rips
Ducts increase thrust is true. I believe rcmodel reviews did a video explaining it
Yes but not any of our ducts on these toys
BRUH, why dont you like the avan 4 blades? there literally amazing
Hey Kabab, do you recommend the Mobula 7 hd over this one?
I don't recommend any of them. Not this beta, not the iflight and not the mobula. These things fly awful. Anyone buying one should absolutely be aware of how awful they fly. They are essentially just mini blimps.
KababFPV oh I didn’t know you tried the Mobula hd. Did I miss the video? My bad.
@@worstpersonview536 I haven't had time to make a video yet. I've had no time lately
Not all ducted micro quad duct geometry is the same. The real issue started with the inductrix. The inductrix's was supposed to fly pretty flat which is great for how those ducts were designed. However, people put a cam on it and suddenly flying at 15degrees ruins how those ducts are supposed to draw in laminar air. Since then, many manufactures have just continually destroyed the duct geometry (especially at the top of the duct). Then the manufacturers sold it to consumers under the pretences that they were equivalent and unfortunately consumers bought them without knowing better. Simply put the betafpv 85x does not have ducts, it has bumpers.
I wouldn't call any of these actual ducts. It's a fallacy spun off rcmodelreviews
Can you reliably fly the 85X in the rain with no issues?
No. It will definitely have issues. I wouldn't recommend it unless you conformal coat all the electronics
tested any hd toothpic that's performing well???
What do you think about the lizard 95 compared to toothpicks
The lizard is less reliable than most of this stuff. It's fine. I actually like the lizard more but I wouldn't recommend any of these RTF builds. You're always better off building it yourself.
Why is it always raining at this spot?
It's been raining every damn weekend in LA lately. I think it's done now however
@@Kabab I think the rain for the season has arrived - gotta get the trees to generate enough foliage to have massive fires late summer somehow.
@@tehllama42 yep that's about par
Toothpick FTW!!!!!!!!!! To the moooooooooon
How does it compare to the Torrent on 4S? Thanks 🙏
The torrent performs 10x better. Like, actually 10x better. The beta is really really bad
Agreed this is not a fun powerful fast freestyle quad, I have been flying mine ( videos on my channel ) in the garden doing tricks and also filming my dog ( just for practice ) and also down the field to get a feel for this thing, the control issue is odd and I can't fly it very accurately yet but I'm getting better with practice.
I will be making some video of interesring places in Yorkshire when I go out and about with this though so that could be where this comes into its own maybe, small enough to carry round easily and not big enough to bother people much...
It'll be soooooo much better if you transferred it to a traditional carbon fiber frame! This isn't a who0p! It flies so weird because it's a BLOATED COW! No worries! Most of the so-called cinewho0ps are that way too! Way too heavy to be on a flexible who0p type frame! Transfer it and watch it soar, be a smooth flyer, have more predictable power, much better handling, and I'll bet... Less jello! 👍 As it is, this is a marketing gimic to take advantage of the who0p craze! They tried to do to much! Made it too heavy, and forgot the #1 rule of who0ps! They need to be light as can be which makes them fast and nimble! They lost the proper power to weight ratio! 🤔😎🤘
@@scootroter4859 this is simply not a whoop, it is a cinewhoop, it's for filming imho, it can go where a normal carbon frame dare not without any risk and still get hd footage.
I'm leaving mine as it is for now at least, I think it will make some good videos as it's safe around people etc, if I want a powerful racing freestyle with hd I would just get something else or move all the parts onto carbon frame like you say.
Love my mobula7 for outside garden etc and proper brushed 65mm whoops for indoors racing and freestyle...
This is simply not much fun but more a useful tool for showing off hd footage.
@@FlyingFun. You're right, it's not a who0p! Not close, because those are light as can be and nimble... And this is certainly neither of those! Lol I don't know what it's good for because it doesn't fly well with the pendulum effect, yaw wash out, and overall weird feel when flying.
So, if it flies weird, has those issues with stability, is it really a worthwhile cine quad? I question... I also have serious doubts about its safety flying around people! It's so heavy, hitting a person with it would definitely hurt bad! Prop guards or not. Unless you're just doing what Bob says it does ok at - hovering! Lol Then, what's the point of a quad that only hovers good?!
IMO, it's a marketing gimic to get sales from the who0p craze... And it failed. Many broken frames, jello, instability in flight, and burned up ESC's reported. Again, before yours breaks, burns up, or simply craps out on you, like the Toothpick transfers help true who0ps that are light and nimble, I'd transfer this while it's still alive. Maybe make it purposeful and actually fly good! 🤔😃 A carbon fiber frame could probably be had for under $25 !👍
@@scootroter4859 i flew into my own leg and I did feel it lol, but no damage done to anything, if it was a none ducted quad I'd have ripped trousers and a cut leg for sure.
I've seen some nice videos from cinewhoops and I will be attempting to make similar ones with this, it needs a tune to get it to fly smoother for that though, I think we will see better cinewhoops before long. Like I said I have quads for all other occations like racing freestyle etc so no need to change this to a carbon frame just to duplicate what I already have... Though that is an option for people who buy this and want more performance.
I'm not talking about doing it for more performance, i.e. speed....I'm talking about doing it because it flies like crap! lol I know any quad you take the prop guards off will fly much, much better, so why not improve the way it flies? Because that's the issue with this quad - it doesn't fly good.
Plus, I think you need to come to grips with two things: 1. It still isn't safe to fly around people with those large motors and that kind of weight. Imagine hitting someone in the head! :(
2. It's not a who0p! So, get rid of the who0p-ish frame and put it on a frame that will IMPROVE IT'S FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS. ;)
I really think you'll be very happy with it then!
Best props for this quad hands down are the Gemfan Hulkie 1940 props. Very nimble.
Ordered mine on CNY directly from BetaFPV...still not shipped and no substantial info whatsoever when it will. I appreciate if companies (seem to) take responsibility, but leaving customers in the dark for such a long time is not the way to handle this imho....really disappointed with BetaFPV :( Dont even know what I will hopefully get one day....I ordered a 4S whoop and it seems they are shipping out 3S quads now....
Mmmmmm I would cancel my order. The Toothpick HD frame I have coming will be an overall better option for people wanting to fly outside with any performance at all. This thing has pretty poor performance
I'm still waiting for replacement parts from my November order, so I wouldn't hold my breath. A friend had dead FC out of the box and sent them countless emails before asking PayPal for refund - they didn't even respond to that so PayPal just refunded him.
Love from Kush. ❤
we need better prop guards. ones that dont interfere with performance so much or none at all.
On something like this, none at all on a proper carbon fiber frame would most likely fix it! It's not a who0p! It's way to heavy! It's a quad with prop guards, and we know those are always better without the guards! 🤔😎🤘
Dude, you really need to try the diatone R349, the 3'' version.
I know what it's about. It's good.
All this talk of your toothpick frames in the comments, where can I buy one?? Edit disregard I should have checked the description in the last update vid 😂
..... does it always rain where you live?
Lately yeah it does. 😔
It's probably a combination of props/motor/esc that is limiting the power. I don't see why they make all these things with quadblades, wtf?
I find it hard to trust betafpv because of the 85X problems. They made a product, sold it on the promise of 4S, started a bunch of fires (which isn't really funny), then they came out afterwards and said "ok so the 4S quad is now 3S, don't run it like we said you could".
So next time can they announce a 6S one and then once they sell tons of them say "actually guys this quad is 3S only, don't run a 6S on it"?
Feels like they are charging their customers for R&D, rather than selling final products.
Yeah that's a lot of what this industry is. There aren't really any regulations so things develop and move quickly. It's definitely how we got to where we are today but I definitely understand your point and agree. A little testing is in order to assure things are at least safe. The fact that these things can even light on fire is ridiculous. That shouldn't be something that's happening.
You’re right, it doesn’t compare to your toothpick, or any of the other light-weight frame whoops (non-inductrix) craze that, well...you started! Swap this powertrain to a different 100mm frame, and 65mm props, and this thing will rip! So, it’s really the small props, that make this thing suffer.
Swap all that to the toothpick with the 65mm prop, and see what you get!
I appreciate that BetaFPV is trying to do new things and is fairly open about issues publicly, but what is gonna kill them is their slow-to-non-existent 1on1 communication with customers. It's just beyond useless. Other Chinese shops' customer supports will make you feel like a VIP after trying to talk to BetaFPV...
Yeah well for now they're still not evil. They're slipping however.
6:42 there he goes aiming for his head again ;)
This flight was just before that other flight 😅
I agree with you about the performance, pretty disappointing. On 3s it's only good for cruising. Betafpv reversed the props to help with yaw washout but that makes it worst. I'm not confident in the 85x electronics lasting. When mine craps out, I'm not spending more to fix it, it's going in the trash. Micros are awesome for small areas but building is the way to go.
Before it dies... Transfer it to a proper carbon fiber frame! I bet you'll like it soooo much better! It should have never been confused with a who0p! A who0p is light as can be and fast and nimble. This is none of the above.... But transfer it, and I bet it'll be pretty go0d! 🤔😎🤘
Good idea bro.
I have other projects now but may do that later.
Pretty nice, dude. 😊
I actually liked it a lot. Should be great for beginners, because of the ducts and so on. 😊
yes, frame design needs to change to allow these 2” hd drones to perform like the larger ones. These designs are great for making the drones much safer in crowds but hinder the maneuverability depending on its design.
I still consider this kit as a good step forward. Video seems good unless its really cold out. thats when jello shows up. Otherwise it makes for a good slow and steady nano filming platform.
Thanks for the weirdest review of the Beta 85X. The points you made are likely far over my head. I assume from your tone that you are one of the leading pilots and designers in the industry. I wonder why you would even bother with a quadcopter like this. I think it occupies a sweet spot in a sub 250g future. Everything I was looking for. And I can afford one. But I'm new here. Thanks for the country club perspective.
Lol the country club perspective. That's a good way to put it. It's a popular craft and these cinewhoop things are very desirable these days. I just received the one from iflight and it's similarly bad but it's still HD and small.
I hate sounding negative, but this isn't the first time they have had multiple issues. Turn the clocks back a year plus to the release of the 75 pro, WOW did that whoop have problems! I mean the X series had a lot of headaches too. To each their own, but years of hit or miss products, even other pilots here in the comments stating crap...I'd pass! They do seem to genuine on wanting to give the community good running quads. But when half of them don't work, I think you move on....and build😉
Yeah this really has been my experience the whole time too but most people around me say theirs always run perfect and are more reliable than others. Trustworthy people with no real allegiance to any brand.
@@Kabab I completely agree, I've been in the hobby little over year an have tried 3 different beta products, every single one had issues....then at that point spring came an I built my 1st quad...went from there. Either way point is most in the hobby haven't even touched half the shit they say is crap lol. Hence why I moved from crossfire to r9 an haven't had one single rx burn out, codex error, failsafes. Learn from hands on experience, wish more had the common sense to know that lol. Happy flying bud, glad this little dude worked out for yeah!
are you flying in the rain??
Yep
@@Kabab did anything happen to it with the rain? I didn't wanna fly it in the rain a few weeks ago, then I crashed it in a lake the next week. Lol
@@stephenchurns6634 yeah it usually affects the vtx first. Things go black and then I stop flying. Let it dry a day or two and it's fine. Never had issues with that but it only works with clean water. No salt water at all.
It's more a slow cinema whooper, not a race quad, 3s is just for endurance not power =)
3S does not give endurance. Opposite. Lower voltage higher capacity gives more endurance.
@@Kabab there are no normal motors for such size, they all eat allot amps. with small quads i get better results with 3-4s than 2-3s (same total weight)
@@RcReviewsLt the small quads you're running must all have prop guards because it's the exact opposite on the toothpick build. The guards increase the power requirement needs of the whole system. More voltage can help with that and that's likely where you're seeing the benefits.
@@Kabab sadly but i can't get your toothpick at this time, no shippings from eu>eu =) but will try it for sure ;]
Tomorrows headline... "BetaFPV closes its doors"
😣
i still hope the duct thing is software issue and one time there will be a betaflight checkbox "ducts" 😂
Lol that would be hilarious
Ohhh Nooo, Buy The 85X-HD Model!!! Thanks
Try using one of those 2S AIO boards and some 1103 motors. You can drop the all up weight by like 40g. It makes it quieter, safer, and improved the performance a lot. Check it out! ruclips.net/video/SdAEzuvYbdk/видео.html
1103 11000 on 2s for a toothpick ok?
I build with the beta 11kv ones too If thats on your mind
And they won't replace broken motors sent to you
We’re is my frame I ordered the toothpick frame
those that ordered frame only will be shipping next week most likely. Waiting on the motors...
Is it toothpick approved?
It will actually transfer but not so cleanly. I wouldn't recommend it. I'm working on the toothpick HD right now. It's looking really good.
KababFPV yay 2 or 3s?
Cool 😏
👍👍
just tuneit and it fly good ...the original tune is bad ...change your rotation to props in
They call it a cinewhoop. Not made to fly balls out lol. The catching on fire thing is a real deal breaker to me. Burn the woods down or catch your house on fire. No Go for me
"Beta85X HD" would be a more accurate title. The current Beta85X 4S version rips like a mofo, incredibly responsive
its luvly seeing micro @ tiny quad like tis flew in the rain.. who cares.. its the real life.. where pilots flew anywhere & anytime.. 💪😁👍
eu quero um desse
Hate to say it i had 65 pro 2 n it died 2nd flight
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@@Kabab got the mobula 7 motors n it just goes crazy n i double checked direction and all
@@peterreilly9740 those motors are just not recommended. Too rattly
I don’t understand this ‘beta fpv are a great company’ It’s the same untested shit as all the other whoops. The only benefit is you can buy it from more reputable local shops to help you out. I don’t know a single person who has one of any flavour who hasn’t had problems out of the box. Boards resetting on every crash, motors with washers stuck to the windings and so on. An 85mm whoop is not a whoop. It’s nigh on the size of a 2.5” quad with 1/10th the performance
In the past their stuff has usually been the best option in it's class. They do want to do good.
Good job, I agree with you about the betafpv company and I love my beta85xHD.I got the first version and I stopped fly with 4s ; only 3s 650 and 2s 600, gave me a flight time of about 5 minutes,. I bought this trying to make some cinematic videos and I think the thing can do it! Here a test I posted yesterday, stabilized and upscaled ruclips.net/video/-MjaCgwkS28/видео.html .
Keep up the great job!
Ii's seems more like cinematographer type drone.The HD version seems to really cool.
Those props suck why don't you run the 2.2x3 on there
Albert Kim has tried lots of props. No real change. But I agree with your sentiment about the props. 😂
Change these props for gemfan.