@@HasF.4kZ that's what i end up doing. reading forums, watching youtube videos, and flip flopping for months until a great sale appears and breaks my paralysis.
I'm building my first PC in 20 years so I've been watching a bunch of these types of channels recently, and I must say, without question this is by far the best channel for these kinds of videos, and it's not even close. Well done and thanks for all the break downs
So amd screwed up the naming scheme again. The 7800xt should have been the non xt version (and would make more sense since amd said it was the true successor to the 6800 non xt). The gre should have been the xt version.
@@david.n I was gonna argue bc the 4070 looked decent, but then I compared 30 series to 20 series. 3070 performs 5% better than the 2080 ti (flagship of that gen) however the 4070 isn't even close to the 3090 unless you go by Nvidia's frame gen specs (doesn't count imo). The 4070 ti is what the 4070 should have been.
Also they did a good job on this one, from the testing of Hardware Unboxed the Hellhound they said it's the best of the models tested, runs much cooler and quieter than Nitro+ which is Sapphire flagship!
PowerColor is also the GOAT for allowing derBauer to film a tour of their manufacturing facility last year. Nice to see a company like this playing it open with the community --- PowerColor is definitely the brand I'd go with today, even though my previous AMD cards have been Sapphire and XFX...
Be aware that this scores are good because the 7900GRE is using the OC BIOS on this model and it's reaching 290-300W @ 2500mhz (+300mhz OC from base model), and the 7800XT is reaching 260W @ 2500mhz (+100mhz OC from base model). This means that if you get a 7900GRE model that is not as much overcloakble, the diference to a good 7800XT might be even lower.
Factory overclocks are irrelevent its not 300mhz oc because a standard 7900GRE is not running st 1900mhz in anything. Factory OC cards are a marketing gimmick the boost algorithm takes care of it. In reality with AMD you can really only boost clocks with undervolting.
In my country the Nitro+ 7900 GRE is $193 more expensive than 7800XT. So Im going with 7800xt for this one. don't wanna pay 193 bucks for 10fps performance increase.
This was admittedly a much better video than HUBs review of the 7900GRE which showed on average only a 2-3% fps increase in the 7900GRE over of the 7800XT … interesting!
I sold my 7700 xt last week and bought a 7800 xt, it arrived last Friday. Then I heard the news of the GRE releasing.. returned the 7800 xt yesterday and my 7900 GRE arrives today. (Initially went from a 1660 super 1080 75hz to 1440p 180 hz)
I understand why HUB and GN have their methodology. But if I was buying new GPU now, You, Daniel, would be the place where I would make a final decision. I like that you take into consideration how the final customer would actually use the GPU with lower settings and upscaling. Thank you.
@@lifemocker85 I'm old, I had GPUs from Voodoo1 to 6950, and the point of having a PC, was to push boundaries. Maxed out graphical settings were always there for future generations. It was always the spirit of PC (MR), to find the perfect balance between FPS and Quality. There are unoptimized games, but there are more people with unrealistic expectations And overpriced GPUs are here too. But my food is 3x more expensive, cars, gas, home heating, phones, everything,... 500 EUR is now mid range and these prices are here to stay. Sony is saying PS5 is the only/first generation that can't be made cheaper on smaller nodes. TSMC prices went up. Do I like it? Do you really need an answer?
Yesterday you said this card could be interesting to OC. Could you try and do that and just lightly compare the OC GRE with 7800XT and 7900XT, please? Thx for the video.
For 50 watts more consumption you only get 5 to 10 fps more at the size. So the size always hangs at around 300 watts which is sooo bad. Whether I play at 42 fps in 4k or 49 fps is pointless and you're just throwing money out the window. The 7800xt can then be brought to 45 fps with -100mv in 4k with approx. 220 to 230 watts max at load!!! the gre is definitely never preferable to the 7800xt. never !!!
The gpu market is lame. Buy waterever you can afford, end of the story. We are getting excited for a few scraps and gpus rename for 30$ less... We will really see exciting thing, when new players enter the space (hopefully Intel but they won't catchup anytime soon). Regardless it's still a good video. I was just making a statement about the "community".
Now what I understand is that around 50% of the games that come out over the next few years will be using Unreal Engine 5. So getting performance data in games that are using Unreal Engine 5 will be key to making the choice of your next GPU. Would it be possible to show which game engine the game is running on screen under the game name? So the data is on. Alan Wake 2: (error Unreal Engine 5) is very interesting. Alan Wake 2 uses the Northlight engine. l have made a mistake but also why it would helpful to know the engine as part of test data
I've been hearing rumors about the AI craze potentially leading to another GPU price hike like during the mining boom, so I started considering a GPU upgrade. The problem? The cheapest 7800XT around here starts at $550, and the cheapest 7900GRE starts around $670. If I want a decent one (three fans, factory OC, reliable manufacturer, etc,), those numbers are closer to $590 and $700, respectively. And the worst part? The Nvidia cards in the same bracket (so, the 4070 variants) START in the $800 range, and can go as high as $1k. For a mid-range GPU. It's mental.
I got a 7800xt like a month ago, supper happy with its performance in isolation. However Im super annoyed that the 7900 GRE just got released in my country and its like $50 less than the 7800XT. I feel sorta bummed.
Few day ago ordered 7800XT, today it should be delivered, and I saw 7900GRE for same price, same model (Sapphire Pure) -_- (For now in Ru stores it's about 705$)
The 7900 GRE is $880 and the 7800 xt is $705 for me. Seems like an easy win for 7800 XT based on the price. Not sure why everyone is raving on about the GRE. I suspect the "raving on" has increased prices over the last 7 months, and they are now marketing it as a competitor to the 4070 super, which is also about $900 in Australia. So I can pay the same price and get DLSS or pay 200 less and get 7800 xt, the GRE isnt even serious competition at that price.
I like how on the European market the selling of GRE was limited to cards only 3% faster than the RX 7800XT. While in the US, it starts with a 10% advantage up to 15%. It's ridiculous. I like how on the European market the selling of GRE was limited to cards only 3% faster than the RX 7800XT. While in the US, it starts with a 10% advantage up to 15%. It's ridiculous. Just a middle finger to the EU as usual.
18:56 I've been literally thinking to myself if you're a teacher or not lmao. But dw about it, I love your videos they are so dang informative and you deserve to get so many more views and support than you already do rn :3
Remember when max a GPU could be priced was 550-600 dollar at this point I do think they are doing improvements but instead of being like "last years $300 GPU gave you 100 FPS now you get 135 FPS" now it's like "last year you got 100 FPS for $300 now it's 135 FPS for a $390, that's a 35% improvement with a 30% price jump, we are so kind I know" *pats himself on back.
I got the XT and i just wanted to say, that FG on AMD cards is on another level. It gives me much more FPS enabling it than the same title with my Nvidia Card. I was really surprised. Just confusing on how it works in the eeginning (ingame FPS shows half of the FPS, so 60/70/80 FPS feels unususal smooth when you are new to FG)
Electricity costs are a concern. Is there some metric where we have a better idea of what is the performance per watt or something? I am worried the GRE draws too much watts.
Imma be honest Daniel....... I love all of your videos, and I know it's not your fault, but it gets gard to care about cards above 500 usd. Still amazing comparison, and all of your in put is amazing and I know it's super helpful to those that are willing to pay at or above 500 usd. Much love dooder. Keep in keeping on. I'll always watch just because how informative and how realistic you're opinions are!
I bought used 7800xt for 420euro. Consider used market bro there are plenty of not sufficient satisfied and go from 7800xt to 7900xt. or changing to team green.
Where I live the gre is around 200 dollars more expensive than the 7800xt and considering the performance difference is miniscule, the xt is a better option for me.
Beautiful! You compared a 529-549$ MSRP Highend 7800XT to a 549$ MSRP 7900GRE... this is what I've been looking for specifically the Red Devil 7800xt which is the card i was planning on purchasing until i read the GRE would be coming stateside! I wish other reviewers followed your lead and did just a side by side 7800xt vs 7900 GRE.
@@Thejacketof-huang I've been happy with ATI/AMD for the last 15 years....if RT performance was a huge concern and if EVGA still made NVIDIA cards I'd consider a Green Machine
@@IAmAnonymyz yes the gpus of evga was great... don't know why they left the partnership... For fps with RT there's DLSS, it work and still same as native or so 👍🏻
@@Thejacketof-huang NVIDIAs company tactics and profitability were the main cause. EVGA did ALOT of things behind the scenes and never told NVIDIA so the features wouldn't get blocked. GamersNexus did a few EVGA/Kingpin interviews and if you can read between the lines of the vagueness you get a pretty clear picture....
@@Thejacketof-huang It's not the same as native at all. Don't make things up, or learn what you're talking about. As for EVGA, they couldn't tolerate NVidia's lies, horrible marketing and overpricing anymore and publicly stated that. That's why they left.
This is what the 7800xt should have been instead of barely matching the 6800xt 2 yrs later. It's unfortunate we don't see decent options until the tail end of a generation when they're about to be replaced by a new generation anyways. What's more unfortunate is it doesn't even offer a better price to performance of the 7800xt, leaving you with a big meh.
Hi Daniel! Is it possible to do a comparison between the 4070 Super and 7900GRE? I think they are direct competitors to each other right now and it would be great to see them side by side! Edit: Just reached the end, I'm looking forward to the video, very solid work, keep it up!:)
If you have Anti-Lag from Radeon Software active when testing FSR3 with Frame Generation‚ try to disable it. In my case I've found that it was causing horrible frame pacing.
How is the coilwhine on hellhounds. Sapphire nitros have had minimal coil whine in my experience. Once made the mistake of buying asus card and it sounded like car that has loose fan belt. It really screamed, sent it back the same day haha.
I got a 7800xt back in Nov for £507 and its awesome. But I don't use RT, I tend to play slightly older titles or single player games where a lower frame rate is acceptable and it does all that with rasterization in high/ultra at 1440p flawlessly. What I would say - finding the cheapest price on pcpartpicker isn't the be all and end all. I value quality parts, from good brands with excellent warranties. So I'd always rather a sapphie nitro versus say a gainward GPU. For my 2 cents - if you only buy on price, PC gaming probably isn't for you.
Daniel I need quick answer or incoming Video about RX 6900XT Vs RX 7900 Gre because I have limited time and Have money to buy both for almost the same cost which one should I go
@@لاإلهإلاالله-ر8ع it totally wasn't a scam! I have a brand new 7900 GRE red devil and I've definitely enjoyed it! In fact I've enjoyed it so much that I bought a 34" 1440p widescreen monitor to complement it! Lol
The RX7700xt has also dropped in price. In Canada Prices are looking like (scores from gpu.benchmark using average score): card cost score score/$ rx7700xt $560 100 5.60 rx7800xt $680 118 5.76 rx7900gre $750 127 5.91 Which is a bit of a surprise. Looks like the rx7700xt's price drop makes it more interesting. Comments?
At that point (200 dollar difference) they aren't in the same class anymore. Better off comparing the 7700 xt with thw Arc a770, 3060 12gb, rx 7600 xt, rx 6650 xt, 4060 ti, etc. Generally the prices for top end cards in Canada and most of Nvidia's line ups are way out of proportion to their value. The gre is the best near top of the line cards you can get before they jump another 200 dollars. In most of the data I've seen its worth the extra 50-60 bucks in Canada (I've not seen rx 7800 it's at 680, they've been about 690 for met at the lowest) because those extra dollars equate proportionally to increased performance (690 + 10% = 759, and the benchmarks generally seem to indicate a 10% performance boost).
I actually like your videos, you test out most stuff even possible to test, that Said. If its not CSGO and stuff like that, 1080P is just a waste to use time on if you ask me, i allways skip those myself at least 😅
1080p on most monitors is actually still good. Having a card that can run 1440p and 4k at a good performance is great, but I usually try to prioritize performance for most games
Just got my GRE today....I thought Ray Tracing was going to cripple the card and be a miserable experience. I've only tried Resident Evil 2 so far, but Ultra/Max with Full RT @ 4K with no upscaling is pretty stunning....especially the 1%/0.1%... this degree of zero-stutter is the most impressive part, but admittedly I'm coming from a 3070
Great job as usual Daniel. Let's all sit down and think about how botched this generation of GPUs is. 4080 12GB=4070ti replaced by 4070ti super. 7900gre should have actually been 7800xt. CGE should have been the nomenclature for all these GPU this time around = Cash Grab Edition...
i wanted ask this i was planning on buying 7800 XT tomorrow. should I wait for the lunch of the 7900GRE before pulling the trigger if it's only 10% more exspensive ?
Tbh, I think ima go with GRE cuz in my region the Asrock Steel legend costs 30 euros more than the 7800xt hell hound and the prices won't drop immediately. This is for a new build if it was an upgrade maybe i would have waited a little more 😂
I am really surprised how poorly this GRE performs relative to the 7800 XT with it's superior CUDA cores count, and I certainly don't attribute it to a slightly slower bandwidth. Maybe it's just power restraint that is causing the proportional uplift. It's still an interesting value relative to the 7800 XT though...
What about ultrawide resolutions.. I'm looking for an Dell 34 wqhd, but I'm not sure wich graphics card to pair with it. I'm not a benchmark guy, so I won't be mad if it don't reach 100+fps. But I want at least 60~75fps stable. What's your thoughts about it? Thank's for these comparisons. I hope you continue your great job.
Hi Daniel, do you know where I can find a resource that tells me, for every modern GPU, which CPU from AMD and Intel "bottlenecks" it? Of course for 1080, 1440 and 4k. I am interested in this RX 7900 GRE, and would like which CPU (Ryzen, in my case) would make the best use of it. Thanks
@@lifemocker85 Thanks, this replies to the second part of my question (do you have links to back your suggestion pls?). For the first part, I suppose someone has created some table or interactive tool online. Too bad I haven't found it yet.
@@Neuromante73 Depends about the game. Some are GPU bottleneckd and some CPU. You can see CPU performance tables from various channels but keep in mind that soon comes AMD 8000 serie out which then takes the lead but one have to wait a year for next gen 3D parts so probably the best is to get 7700 as a placeholder and save some money in the process.
Hey guys, I would like some advice : I have a ryzen 5 5600x and a gtx 1080 and I want to upgrade. What is the best for me : 7800xt or 7900 gre ? In France the gre is cheaper but I checked and the gre has 34% bottleneck on my pc
How easy is it to overclock the memory frequency? If you can match the 19.5GB/s from the 7800XT or even the 20GB/s of the 7900XT, the GRE should always be more like 15% faster than the 7800XT. I have no idea why the reference card is locked at 260W with 18GB/s ram. As you can see with the R&C results, memory bandwidth is definitely a limiting factor, don't know why PowerColor didn't put faster memory or at least OC'ed them a bit.
I got the 7800XT six months ago it's a good card with 16gb of ram, playing atm only 1080@240h so I'm ok with it. As you've said, get the GRE if you can, if not, the XT still good.
i'd love to see a GRE vs 6900XT/6950XT comparison, purely because of it being the same core count in both gpu's, as the 7800XT has the same amount of cores as the 6800.
There allways will be some factor that limits the Royal speed. In games where bandwide is important. Gre will suffer. In games where it is not important gre will do fine. So no single ansver available.
It's a nice release but I hope this card was pulling 260watts while providing the same performance in the video as it was advertised. It'd be very easy to overclock it and squeeze an extra 10%ish performance out of it and that'd be sweet.
You can undervolt almost any graphics card so that makes absolutely no difference. You can't overclock that card and gain 10% more clock speed. That kind of extreme overclocking requires more voltage, not less.@@lifemocker85
The GRE is poorly binned flagship navi31 while the 7800xt is a fully realized, 34% smaller die. This comparison would be very interesting with a 15%+ power limit
I bought a 7800 XT 2 months ago thinking I would regret it after the 4000 Super series released, did not regret it at all. After seeing this, I now regret it and I wish I just waited a couple more months for the 7900 GRE to release worldwide.
you know what i hate buying? gpus. and tvs. analysis paralysis. just when i think i've decided, it turns out that i have not.
I’m new to Gpu’s and I’m suffering.😢
Duddeeeeee so true omggg
Found a guy on a forum who walks me through it helps alot!
He has a Similar System thats what u kinda want
@@HasF.4kZ that's what i end up doing. reading forums, watching youtube videos, and flip flopping for months until a great sale appears and breaks my paralysis.
Just found you and it's rare nowadays to find someone of this quality, thanks for your work
18:20 When you are in a date or job interview and they look thoroughly one of your past blunders to judge your overall quality.
Wait till he starts dragging his facecam around because he think you don't know what he's referring to
@@IceBreakBottleI happen to really like that he does that! It's an added detail that is easy, and yet it's also unique...
I did not expect to see micro-Daniel today
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hell ya! micro Daniel!
He should make his voice tiny too when it happens lol
I'm building my first PC in 20 years so I've been watching a bunch of these types of channels recently, and I must say, without question this is by far the best channel for these kinds of videos, and it's not even close. Well done and thanks for all the break downs
So amd screwed up the naming scheme again. The 7800xt should have been the non xt version (and would make more sense since amd said it was the true successor to the 6800 non xt). The gre should have been the xt version.
Every gpu launch has been a mess this gen
Same as Nvidia 4070 is at best a 4060 ti, overpriced.
Should have just called it 7800XT Super 😆
Both sides have had dumb names this last couple of years...
@@david.n I was gonna argue bc the 4070 looked decent, but then I compared 30 series to 20 series. 3070 performs 5% better than the 2080 ti (flagship of that gen) however the 4070 isn't even close to the 3090 unless you go by Nvidia's frame gen specs (doesn't count imo). The 4070 ti is what the 4070 should have been.
In my country 7900 GRE was cheaper than 7800 XT for some reason. Got the GRE
Was same price here so yeah easy choice
Nice!
Yeah taxes prolly lol
@@BackSlashJvb125bro taxes have nothing to do with it 😭. Tax percent don’t change based on what gpu you buy fam. The gre was just cheaper.
Outside of U.S launch prices are higher than MSRP
You could have waited
PowerColor is the GOAT for sending review samples every time ❤
Nitro+ is sexy 😍 😋 😏
Also they did a good job on this one, from the testing of Hardware Unboxed the Hellhound they said it's the best of the models tested, runs much cooler and quieter than Nitro+ which is Sapphire flagship!
Gamers Nexus did a factory tour of PowerColor. It's a great watch if you have time.
PowerColor is also the GOAT for allowing derBauer to film a tour of their manufacturing facility last year. Nice to see a company like this playing it open with the community --- PowerColor is definitely the brand I'd go with today, even though my previous AMD cards have been Sapphire and XFX...
YT yeeted my comment from yesterday. GamersNexus also filmed a tour at PowerColor as well.
Be aware that this scores are good because the 7900GRE is using the OC BIOS on this model and it's reaching 290-300W @ 2500mhz (+300mhz OC from base model), and the 7800XT is reaching 260W @ 2500mhz (+100mhz OC from base model). This means that if you get a 7900GRE model that is not as much overcloakble, the diference to a good 7800XT might be even lower.
Factory overclocks are irrelevent its not 300mhz oc because a standard 7900GRE is not running st 1900mhz in anything.
Factory OC cards are a marketing gimmick the boost algorithm takes care of it.
In reality with AMD you can really only boost clocks with undervolting.
Wouldn’t be too bad to mention that in driver updates the 7900gre gained more OC compatibility and competes with a base 7900xt
@@PabloJustChillin I prefer undervolting 7900XT for 1440p tiny case build
I believe that you are supposed to go "Aaaaaah!" when shrinking. ;)
First review I'm watching. I'm actually preferring Daniel's videos on new cards to HUB or Gamer Nexus. I'm watching them, later.
More real world testing here!
In my country the Nitro+ 7900 GRE is $193 more expensive than 7800XT. So Im going with 7800xt for this one. don't wanna pay 193 bucks for 10fps performance increase.
This was admittedly a much better video than HUBs review of the 7900GRE which showed on average only a 2-3% fps increase in the 7900GRE over of the 7800XT … interesting!
That's because the AIB partners run the memory at higher clock speeds and HUB used the reference model
@@Kumoiwa his response video was perfect.
Running OC cards while comparing them to ref MSRP isnt fair.
I sold my 7700 xt last week and bought a 7800 xt, it arrived last Friday. Then I heard the news of the GRE releasing.. returned the 7800 xt yesterday and my 7900 GRE arrives today. (Initially went from a 1660 super 1080 75hz to 1440p 180 hz)
same for me, i am now on 1660 ti and trying to make a 1440p build. What CPU and monitor did you choose?
Great choice and even now that AMD has unlocked the OC in this graphics card
I also am interested in selling my 7700 XT for a RX 9070 next year
I understand why HUB and GN have their methodology. But if I was buying new GPU now, You, Daniel, would be the place where I would make a final decision. I like that you take into consideration how the final customer would actually use the GPU with lower settings and upscaling. Thank you.
one doesnt buy a expensive hardware just to lower settings and upscale. software tricks aint performance
@@lifemocker85Well if you only looked at max settings and native resolutions then the only card that makes sense is a 4090.
@@THU31 nope. Ridiculously overpriced
@@lifemocker85 I'm old, I had GPUs from Voodoo1 to 6950, and the point of having a PC, was to push boundaries. Maxed out graphical settings were always there for future generations. It was always the spirit of PC (MR), to find the perfect balance between FPS and Quality.
There are unoptimized games, but there are more people with unrealistic expectations
And overpriced GPUs are here too. But my food is 3x more expensive, cars, gas, home heating, phones, everything,...
500 EUR is now mid range and these prices are here to stay. Sony is saying PS5 is the only/first generation that can't be made cheaper on smaller nodes. TSMC prices went up.
Do I like it? Do you really need an answer?
@@alpha007org accepting overprices are part of the problem
Damn. This might be one of the only GPU comparison video of his I haven't watched and it shows up in my feed 8 months later.
Yesterday you said this card could be interesting to OC. Could you try and do that and just lightly compare the OC GRE with 7800XT and 7900XT, please? Thx for the video.
Tiny Daniel returns with an AMD dub
Micro Daniel!
For 50 watts more consumption you only get 5 to 10 fps more at the size. So the size always hangs at around 300 watts which is sooo bad. Whether I play at 42 fps in 4k or 49 fps is pointless and you're just throwing money out the window. The 7800xt can then be brought to 45 fps with -100mv in 4k with approx. 220 to 230 watts max at load!!! the gre is definitely never preferable to the 7800xt. never !!!
Good morning everyone
Good morning ^-^
Good night 😴😴🇱🇰🇱🇰
Good mid-day
Everyone is in different time zones I see. I am in Central USA. I am having a protein shake and protein bar for breakfast.
Central USA as well. Drinking my morning coffee and getting down to work. Good morning everyone.
The gpu market is lame.
Buy waterever you can afford, end of the story.
We are getting excited for a few scraps and gpus rename for 30$ less...
We will really see exciting thing, when new players enter the space (hopefully Intel but they won't catchup anytime soon).
Regardless it's still a good video. I was just making a statement about the "community".
Thanks for the video! You work hard for us and we appreciate it!
Now what I understand is that around 50% of the games that come out over the next few years will be using Unreal Engine 5. So getting performance data in games that are using Unreal Engine 5 will be key to making the choice of your next GPU. Would it be possible to show which game engine the game is running on screen under the game name?
So the data is on. Alan Wake 2: (error Unreal Engine 5) is very interesting. Alan Wake 2 uses the Northlight engine.
l have made a mistake but also why it would helpful to know the engine as part of test data
love your in-depth testing! I got the 7800xt at a big discount am stoked theyre in the same tier
Really love your videos man 👍
Would love to see RX7800xt Nitro + vs 7900 GRE
I've been hearing rumors about the AI craze potentially leading to another GPU price hike like during the mining boom, so I started considering a GPU upgrade. The problem? The cheapest 7800XT around here starts at $550, and the cheapest 7900GRE starts around $670. If I want a decent one (three fans, factory OC, reliable manufacturer, etc,), those numbers are closer to $590 and $700, respectively. And the worst part? The Nvidia cards in the same bracket (so, the 4070 variants) START in the $800 range, and can go as high as $1k. For a mid-range GPU. It's mental.
The name always reminds me of the Global Relief Effort in Dying Light.
That what I thought to
Haha same here
Thank you very very much for your work (and or fun;) !!
I'm wondering if this will be like the 5600xt wherein they will release a follow up firmware update to unlock some of the power or clock limit
I got a 7800xt like a month ago, supper happy with its performance in isolation. However Im super annoyed that the 7900 GRE just got released in my country and its like $50 less than the 7800XT. I feel sorta bummed.
7900 gre is 100 euro more expensive in EU for pretty much no percetible improvement
Same to me, I started a return in Amazon.
Really useful video as usual Daniel, thanks!
pump the powa up and problem solved🤣🤣🤣
PowerColor and Sapphire are my favorite AMD brands. Big ups to PowerColor for sending the sample
Yea, their nitro+ is 🔥 🔥🔥
@@JahonCrosssapphire pure >
Few day ago ordered 7800XT, today it should be delivered, and I saw 7900GRE for same price, same model (Sapphire Pure) -_- (For now in Ru stores it's about 705$)
Return it.
The 7900 GRE is $880 and the 7800 xt is $705 for me. Seems like an easy win for 7800 XT based on the price. Not sure why everyone is raving on about the GRE.
I suspect the "raving on" has increased prices over the last 7 months, and they are now marketing it as a competitor to the 4070 super, which is also about $900 in Australia. So I can pay the same price and get DLSS or pay 200 less and get 7800 xt, the GRE isnt even serious competition at that price.
I like how on the European market the selling of GRE was limited to cards only 3% faster than the RX 7800XT. While in the US, it starts with a 10% advantage up to 15%. It's ridiculous. I like how on the European market the selling of GRE was limited to cards only 3% faster than the RX 7800XT. While in the US, it starts with a 10% advantage up to 15%. It's ridiculous.
Just a middle finger to the EU as usual.
Perhaps the earlier GREs were stock and that's why they were slower than these newer, overclocked ones.
Hmmm, guess I'll be looking between this card and the 7900XT for my upgrade. Ty, Mr. Owen :)
18:56 I've been literally thinking to myself if you're a teacher or not lmao. But dw about it, I love your videos they are so dang informative and you deserve to get so many more views and support than you already do rn :3
that memory on the GRE needs an overclock, its crippling those 80CU's!
Dude that card could have been so much nicer
well mine 68XT max mem oc is around +900mhz
Get an RTX and be happy
@@Thejacketof-huang leave troll
@@Thejacketof-huangI have a 4090 im fine thanks.
Remember when max a GPU could be priced was 550-600 dollar at this point I do think they are doing improvements but instead of being like
"last years $300 GPU gave you 100 FPS now you get 135 FPS"
now it's like
"last year you got 100 FPS for $300 now it's 135 FPS for a $390, that's a 35% improvement with a 30% price jump, we are so kind I know" *pats himself on back.
Another superb video! If AMD would've released the 7900 GRE as the original 7800xt at 499 they would've been better off.
AMD dropping the ball is their M.O.
I think they could have launched it at 550 too or even 600 back then. Now it should be around 500 yes.
More like 450
There was not enough bad 7900 level chips then! Now they have some supply of them…
I got the XT and i just wanted to say, that FG on AMD cards is on another level. It gives me much more FPS enabling it than the same title with my Nvidia Card. I was really surprised. Just confusing on how it works in the eeginning (ingame FPS shows half of the FPS, so 60/70/80 FPS feels unususal smooth when you are new to FG)
Electricity costs are a concern. Is there some metric where we have a better idea of what is the performance per watt or something? I am worried the GRE draws too much watts.
Imma be honest Daniel....... I love all of your videos, and I know it's not your fault, but it gets gard to care about cards above 500 usd. Still amazing comparison, and all of your in put is amazing and I know it's super helpful to those that are willing to pay at or above 500 usd. Much love dooder. Keep in keeping on. I'll always watch just because how informative and how realistic you're opinions are!
I bought used 7800xt for 420euro. Consider used market bro there are plenty of not sufficient satisfied and go from 7800xt to 7900xt. or changing to team green.
A $500 card is not bad in 2024...
Everything is up...
$500 Gpu are the new $300 dollars of past years.
A $500 dollar card in 2024 is not bad, but thats part of the problem. The 3080 was $600 and I believe the 4080 should be no more than $800
@@pR0ManiacS I just upgraded from a 2060 to a 3080 for only $280. I'm always looking at the used market.
Also i got a REALLY good deal as far as I can tell for Feb 2024
ok 50$ difference if you're lucky, but in my country the sellers increased it to 100$ difference. so is it still worth ?
Better will be 50$. 100& more is too much.
Where I live the gre is around 200 dollars more expensive than the 7800xt and considering the performance difference is miniscule, the xt is a better option for me.
Beautiful! You compared a 529-549$ MSRP Highend 7800XT to a 549$ MSRP 7900GRE... this is what I've been looking for specifically the Red Devil 7800xt which is the card i was planning on purchasing until i read the GRE would be coming stateside! I wish other reviewers followed your lead and did just a side by side 7800xt vs 7900 GRE.
Get an RTX and be happy
@@Thejacketof-huang I've been happy with ATI/AMD for the last 15 years....if RT performance was a huge concern and if EVGA still made NVIDIA cards I'd consider a Green Machine
@@IAmAnonymyz yes the gpus of evga was great... don't know why they left the partnership...
For fps with RT there's DLSS, it work and still same as native or so 👍🏻
@@Thejacketof-huang NVIDIAs company tactics and profitability were the main cause. EVGA did ALOT of things behind the scenes and never told NVIDIA so the features wouldn't get blocked. GamersNexus did a few EVGA/Kingpin interviews and if you can read between the lines of the vagueness you get a pretty clear picture....
@@Thejacketof-huang It's not the same as native at all. Don't make things up, or learn what you're talking about. As for EVGA, they couldn't tolerate NVidia's lies, horrible marketing and overpricing anymore and publicly stated that. That's why they left.
This is what the 7800xt should have been instead of barely matching the 6800xt 2 yrs later. It's unfortunate we don't see decent options until the tail end of a generation when they're about to be replaced by a new generation anyways. What's more unfortunate is it doesn't even offer a better price to performance of the 7800xt, leaving you with a big meh.
Hi Daniel! Is it possible to do a comparison between the 4070 Super and 7900GRE? I think they are direct competitors to each other right now and it would be great to see them side by side!
Edit: Just reached the end, I'm looking forward to the video, very solid work, keep it up!:)
4070s has 12vhpwr crap and 7900 do not
I think AMD's card is a little weaker card.. so you get the idea.
@@ConradCarelandishit's also a little bit cheaper.
7900 gre faster
4070s is a better choice, like all RTX cards.
Remember guys, RT + DLSS (or some other AI-based on tensor) is the nexgen
If you have Anti-Lag from Radeon Software active when testing FSR3 with Frame Generation‚ try to disable it. In my case I've found that it was causing horrible frame pacing.
Hellhound's are solid cards. My 7900 XT's quiet, has a dual bios and switches for lights. It weighs a brick and games have never looked so smooth!😎
I'm in love with my 7900XT Hellhound too, it's a monster
How is the coilwhine on hellhounds. Sapphire nitros have had minimal coil whine in my experience. Once made the mistake of buying asus card and it sounded like car that has loose fan belt. It really screamed, sent it back the same day haha.
@@imrileth6618 this is the reason why i returned mine.. i didnt want to believe all the videos online but its true...
@@imrileth6618 in silent bios it doesn't make enough noise to make me care, I haven't tried in OC bios
Yes and get on fire your house..... get an RTX and be happy
Gonna wait for the 4070 super and 7900 xt comparisions!
he already did this
@@blastyouofman, i was talking about the 7900 GRE comparisions.-
@@nicane-9966your comment says 4070s and 7900xt not 7900gre
Would've been better if for the global market, they bumped the core clock and TDP just a bit, called it a 7800XTX with same 19.5 GB/s mem as 7800XT
The 7900 gre feels like a more reasonable successor to the rx 6800xt since amd claims the 7800xt was the successor to the rx 6800 non xt
I would really love to see the 7900GRE at 2.4Ghz. Its a small overclock from 2.2 but it would match the clock of the 7800xt and 7900xt.
XFX has 2395 clocks
Look at the clocks here, this one is going around 2500 the entire time.
the one in the video is at nearly 2.6ghz broddy
why it can hit 2800 easily lol
So basically like 10 to 15% better for 10% more in price seems fair enough other than the naming
In my country the price difference is 7% more so might as well go with the 7900GRE, thanks for the video 👍
I got a 7800xt back in Nov for £507 and its awesome. But I don't use RT, I tend to play slightly older titles or single player games where a lower frame rate is acceptable and it does all that with rasterization in high/ultra at 1440p flawlessly.
What I would say - finding the cheapest price on pcpartpicker isn't the be all and end all. I value quality parts, from good brands with excellent warranties. So I'd always rather a sapphie nitro versus say a gainward GPU.
For my 2 cents - if you only buy on price, PC gaming probably isn't for you.
Daniel I need quick answer or incoming Video about RX 6900XT Vs RX 7900 Gre because I have limited time and Have money to buy both for almost the same cost which one should I go
7900 GRE of course
I currently have a duo of 5600X and 6700XT. My first priority is frame per second.
Should I get 1 unit of 7900GRE?
Or, a 5700X3D and a 7800XT?
5700x3D and a 7800 XT, without a doubt.
I just bought the power color red devil 7900 GRE for $319 today on Amazon!
You probably got scammed but enjoy it guess?
@@لاإلهإلاالله-ر8ع it totally wasn't a scam! I have a brand new 7900 GRE red devil and I've definitely enjoyed it! In fact I've enjoyed it so much that I bought a 34" 1440p widescreen monitor to complement it! Lol
is the 7900 GRE good to stream on? Finding it hard to find a good looking 4070 super in white
The RX7700xt has also dropped in price. In Canada Prices are looking like (scores from gpu.benchmark using average score):
card cost score score/$
rx7700xt $560 100 5.60
rx7800xt $680 118 5.76
rx7900gre $750 127 5.91
Which is a bit of a surprise. Looks like the rx7700xt's price drop makes it more interesting. Comments?
At that point (200 dollar difference) they aren't in the same class anymore. Better off comparing the 7700 xt with thw Arc a770, 3060 12gb, rx 7600 xt, rx 6650 xt, 4060 ti, etc. Generally the prices for top end cards in Canada and most of Nvidia's line ups are way out of proportion to their value. The gre is the best near top of the line cards you can get before they jump another 200 dollars. In most of the data I've seen its worth the extra 50-60 bucks in Canada (I've not seen rx 7800 it's at 680, they've been about 690 for met at the lowest) because those extra dollars equate proportionally to increased performance (690 + 10% = 759, and the benchmarks generally seem to indicate a 10% performance boost).
Man want to get 7800 xt nitro+ version do you advise me to get the GRE instead?
@@TheGuylooking , where to buy the gre In us didn't find it?
I have 7800xt ... 7900gr is worth money but that not for me who have 7800xt ...anyways what i saying is , both are great 👍
I actually like your videos, you test out most stuff even possible to test, that Said. If its not CSGO and stuff like that, 1080P is just a waste to use time on if you ask me, i allways skip those myself at least 😅
1080p on most monitors is actually still good. Having a card that can run 1440p and 4k at a good performance is great, but I usually try to prioritize performance for most games
would love to see an overclocked 7900GRE with a higher power limit
Just got my GRE today....I thought Ray Tracing was going to cripple the card and be a miserable experience. I've only tried Resident Evil 2 so far, but Ultra/Max with Full RT @ 4K with no upscaling is pretty stunning....especially the 1%/0.1%... this degree of zero-stutter is the most impressive part, but admittedly I'm coming from a 3070
Great job as usual Daniel. Let's all sit down and think about how botched this generation of GPUs is. 4080 12GB=4070ti replaced by 4070ti super. 7900gre should have actually been 7800xt. CGE should have been the nomenclature for all these GPU this time around = Cash Grab Edition...
i wanted ask this i was planning on buying 7800 XT tomorrow. should I wait for the lunch of the 7900GRE before pulling the trigger if it's only 10% more exspensive ?
Even if you decide to go with the 7800 XT, you might want to wait and see if any models go on sale in response to the GRE's introduction.
Tbh, I think ima go with GRE cuz in my region the Asrock Steel legend costs 30 euros more than the 7800xt hell hound and the prices won't drop immediately. This is for a new build if it was an upgrade maybe i would have waited a little more 😂
UFFF, I'm in problems now, hard to decide!!
I am really surprised how poorly this GRE performs relative to the 7800 XT with it's superior CUDA cores count, and I certainly don't attribute it to a slightly slower bandwidth. Maybe it's just power restraint that is causing the proportional uplift. It's still an interesting value relative to the 7800 XT though...
So vram oc probably will give us more fps boost on 7900 GRE?
It's official! This gpu generation is terrible. They keep releasing new cards, and its still not enticing. Do better AMD and Nvidia.
What about ultrawide resolutions.. I'm looking for an Dell 34 wqhd, but I'm not sure wich graphics card to pair with it. I'm not a benchmark guy, so I won't be mad if it don't reach 100+fps. But I want at least 60~75fps stable. What's your thoughts about it?
Thank's for these comparisons. I hope you continue your great job.
Please help me choose 7800xt 450usd or 7900gre 600usd and 4070super at the same price with gre
what do you think about A580 ?
$550 is still too MUCH for GRE !
Make it $500 (and the 7800XT $450ish) then the cards will fly away from the shelves... 👍
more like 450
Fast forward 6 months - Gree is now 600+ dollars because everybody was buying it, 7800 xt is 500 dollars.
Kinda crazy. For that price difference I would definitely go with the 7800 XT.
Hi Daniel, do you know where I can find a resource that tells me, for every modern GPU, which CPU from AMD and Intel "bottlenecks" it? Of course for 1080, 1440 and 4k. I am interested in this RX 7900 GRE, and would like which CPU (Ryzen, in my case) would make the best use of it. Thanks
best gaming cpu right now is 7800X3D
@@lifemocker85this is not what I asked, but noted, thanks :)
@@Neuromante73 AMD side you have only 2 options: budget is 7700 and high end 7800X3D
@@lifemocker85 Thanks, this replies to the second part of my question (do you have links to back your suggestion pls?). For the first part, I suppose someone has created some table or interactive tool online. Too bad I haven't found it yet.
@@Neuromante73 Depends about the game. Some are GPU bottleneckd and some CPU. You can see CPU performance tables from various channels but keep in mind that soon comes AMD 8000 serie out which then takes the lead but one have to wait a year for next gen 3D parts so probably the best is to get 7700 as a placeholder and save some money in the process.
never been so soon to a vid
Was gonna try and get a 7800xt for msrp but 50$ for more then 10% performance at the same power. I think I’ll try and find a 7900gre
Not the same power look closer
Which one would you guys recommend for Sim Racing?
In particular Assetto Corsa Competizione.
How does it compare to the 6950XT?
On paper they are nearly identical. In most benchmarks the 6950 is usually a bit faster, but it also consumes more power.
@@jorellhbut with frame gen active power consumption becomes negligible
AMD gave an Update for the 7900 GRE and it seems like the card getting 10% more Performance
Seeing the 7700xt getting a bit of a price cut was a nice surprise to see.
Please don't tell me it got a price cut. I was just about to sell mine since I swapped to Nvidia. :(
You’re the only comparison man I trust
Hey guys, I would like some advice : I have a ryzen 5 5600x and a gtx 1080 and I want to upgrade. What is the best for me : 7800xt or 7900 gre ? In France the gre is cheaper but I checked and the gre has 34% bottleneck on my pc
7900GRE, Don't trust bottleneck calculators!
thanks for review!!
what is better cpu for GRE card? ryzen 5 7600 or 7 7700?
if u can afford 7700, it would be better for sure but 7600 is not weak either. i would honestly save money here.
@@shadyplaysgoodgames ty! i have taken a 7600 xd
@@Fropxy hope its serving u well. what gpu u got?
@@shadyplaysgoodgames i got 7800 xt hellhound
@@Fropxy im planning to get a 7800xt too with 7600. but 7900GRE is very lucrative ngl.
What about 1080p with high RT or something? I'd like to see more variants with 1080
How easy is it to overclock the memory frequency? If you can match the 19.5GB/s from the 7800XT or even the 20GB/s of the 7900XT, the GRE should always be more like 15% faster than the 7800XT. I have no idea why the reference card is locked at 260W with 18GB/s ram.
As you can see with the R&C results, memory bandwidth is definitely a limiting factor, don't know why PowerColor didn't put faster memory or at least OC'ed them a bit.
It was unlocked on OC so GRE is now a good choice before the price goes up slightly
I got the 7800XT six months ago it's a good card with 16gb of ram, playing atm only 1080@240h so I'm ok with it. As you've said, get the GRE if you can, if not, the XT still good.
i'd love to see a GRE vs 6900XT/6950XT comparison, purely because of it being the same core count in both gpu's, as the 7800XT has the same amount of cores as the 6800.
I’m wondering if going from 6800xt to the gre is worth it
How does bandwidth affect games? Moreover, how does it affect long term?
There allways will be some factor that limits the Royal speed. In games where bandwide is important. Gre will suffer. In games where it is not important gre will do fine. So no single ansver available.
@@haukionkannel which kind of games rely more on bandwidth?
I bought a 2060super in 2019 and it has served me well. I very much am interested in going to AMD, if only the economy would lighten up a bit
In reality, there's no such 7800xt at 500$ nor the GRE at 549, its like the 7800XT is 650$ and the GRE is 780$ from where I am at..lol AMD
You should used the 24.2.1 drivers because mitigate the stuttering issue on a few games
It's a nice release but I hope this card was pulling 260watts while providing the same performance in the video as it was advertised. It'd be very easy to overclock it and squeeze an extra 10%ish performance out of it and that'd be sweet.
68XT undervolted is 200W gpu for example
You can undervolt almost any graphics card so that makes absolutely no difference. You can't overclock that card and gain 10% more clock speed. That kind of extreme overclocking requires more voltage, not less.@@lifemocker85
The GRE is poorly binned flagship navi31 while the 7800xt is a fully realized, 34% smaller die. This comparison would be very interesting with a 15%+ power limit
I bought a 7800 XT 2 months ago thinking I would regret it after the 4000 Super series released, did not regret it at all. After seeing this, I now regret it and I wish I just waited a couple more months for the 7900 GRE to release worldwide.
Can’t go wrong with the 7800xt and it’s price point
In my case i wouldn't change since the power draw is lower on 7800 xt, and it can go lower with some undervolting.
Same here, in the meantime I did 150 hours of bg3 though😄