@@haewymetal No clue what makes you think that. The 6800XT is a gimped NAVI 21 die (Top tier die), while this is the highest spec NAVI 32 (mid tier die). They also use different ram speed chips, have different die sizes, different processes etc. If anything the NAVI 22 RX6800 is a closer analogue. AMD's marketing made a mistake by giving it the XT moniker, it should have been the RX7800 as it is closest to the RX6800.
@@ForceInEvHorizon It depends on the game or benchmark. The RX 7800 XT also uses less power, and perf will probably improve as new drivers are released. Plus, supplies of the RX 6800 XT are going to eventually run out, probably quicker than you think.
@@edwarddesposito4476 HyperRX is a marketing for FSR1 and all those mumbo jumbo like Anti-lag+ but is that -2ms really worth it for the price you're paying instead getting an actual better fps and raz performance across the board?
Amazing review and thanks. This review style caters to exactly my use case: casual gamer that also uses the gear for content creation. Most reviews just concentrate on gaming benchmarks alone. I really like how this review covers OBS and AV1. Would love to see a video from Level1Techs diving deeper into AV1 encoding with various presets and comparing video quality generated between team red/green/blue. New subscriber!
This is a FACT about AMD in particular and why I don't pay attention to day 1 reviews where the reviewer focuses on benchmarks. AMD NEVER has great drivers at launch. You can have games where even a year later AMD will make a change and you're now getting 5 - 10% better fps. A REALLY good site for reviews because they have a lot more data, is Techpowerup, and I'm talking about a website, not a RUclips channel, so you get to read. I just look at charts though. And from my experience, the best way to get info about gaming is not to go to day 1 reviews. For instance if you buy a GPU 6 months after launch those reviews are worthless. More than likely whatever issues they've pointed out will be fixed. Instead watch the different videos from benchmarkers that compare GPUs, so something like a "7800 XT vs. 4070 Ti" and then you look for the most recent videos and watch them. That will give you enough info about how the GPUs are performing at that time. It's also better to watch the ones where people ACTUALLY are gaming, not just running through the game or running a built in benchmark. It creates some variability run to run, but it's representative of a person PLAYING THE GAME! So yes, Level1Tech is more helpful to me because I never run out and buy a GPU on day 1. For AMD in particular I'll wait til there's a sale.
Already installed my 7800 XT yesterday and just watched this video. I'm happy with my decision so far and really enjoy the upgrade coming from my 1050ti after 8 years
you should be happy. I've been studying the hell out of this card with so many graphics studied and so many benchmark comparison videos. This card is simply a banger. Cards underneath it are much lower in performance but not much lower in price. The cards above it are pretty high above it in performance, but painfully high in price. I don't see this as a 5-year card. I think this could be a 10 year card assuming you do the right things in 10 years like reduce game settings or downgrade resolution monitor if you're at 1440p or higher. I'm all about longevity with my builds.
I wish it will last me 10 years. I just struggle with driver problems from time to time where it wont recognize the card. But the performance is great. Might want to upgrade my old 3600xt soon to get more fps when i switch to 1440p
ROCm support with PyTorch definitely has me considering this over a 6800XT. I think the biggest problem with this card is the name. It should’ve been either a 7800 or the 7700 XT should’ve been a 7700 and this should’ve been the XT variant.
It makes you wonder why they made the 7900 XT and GRE, as they had the silicone to make every natural successor to the RDNA 2 range, but didn't because AMD loves selling confusion with a dash of disappointment
@@stevenwest1494Because the profit margins are higher the farther up the stack you go, it's why Nvidia love the GeForce xx90 and Quadro cards so much.
2:45 I think it's also good to keep in mind American users are going to value power efficiency a lot less than say an average European user will. If I ran a 200 watt card 24/7 for a month it'd cost me around $15. My friends in Germany & the Netherlands would be closer to $50-60 doing the same. Over the cards lifetime that can add up a lot
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk 😂 just an example to show relative costs. Although heavy use almost 24/7 isn't super uncommon for me (and I'm guessing other editors/creatives) while working on projects. If I work 8-12hrs, game a bit when I'm not working, and run my renders while I sleep my GPU is gonna be running almost all day
@@Anatoliys_Adventure Still, i have never in my 20+years active computer tech days come over a single person. Not one!!! that ever bothered about the power efficiency. Only a handful of so called enthusiasts will ever bother with that. You buy the card you want and get the psu you need. If you have to think about money when it comes to running this thing half the day or 24/7 you do not have the money to even buy the gpu ...
I really like how your graphs are designed. I think its quite important to show how much weight .1% lows actually has in gaming, you guys have definitely achieved that. GGWP
I'm really eager to see FSR3 Frame Generation compared to DLSS Frame Gen, as well as Anti-Lag+ with FSR3 and what response times are like vs. Nvidia's Reflex tech. If AMD's implementations are close enough in quality/performance, it'll be a real game changer (no pun intended) for the gaming market. 👀
Was looking forward to the 7800. Don't think they should've named it XT as it's on par with the 6800 XT in a significant way. I know what I'll be buying for Xmas.
That one AMD guy said that it was a 6800 successor, but it's really a 6700 XT successor if you ask me. The launch MSRP is closest to the 6700 XT, if you properly adjust for inflation. In fact, 500 USD today is equivalent to about 440 USD in early 2021, which is likely closer to what the 6700 XT was originally planned to launch at before the big GPU shortage happened. The price isn't actually that bad if you consider inflation and original MSRP pricing. It also compares very well to the 5700 XT which launched four years ago for 400 USD, which is equivalent to about 478 USD today, and was considered an excellent value at the time in 2019. The 7800 XT is roughly 90% faster than the 5700 XT, and has double the Vram, along with various other improvements.
@@syncmonismIt's really much more of a RX 6800 non-XT successor, both have the same 60 CU's but half the Cache. And that seems to show through in high resolutions as it doesn't scale the same as the cards with more cache. The 6700 XT has 40 CU's and about half the memory bandwidth With that said, IMO it doesn't deserve the XT moniker. But where it does shine is the compute is nearly twice as the 6800 line
@@syncmonism Because 6800, 6800xt and 6900xt basen on navi 21 chip, Like 7900xt xtx and Gre based on navi 31. 6700(xt), 7700xt and 7800xt based on middle and chip navi 22 and 32
Wendell your reviews are my favorite! I love this generation from AMD they started off rough with the naming and pricing, but theyre coming around on value as the prices drop. I got my asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx for $1030 after tax but i sold my rx6800 for $250 to a friend which made it even better value.
When buying parts for a new pc last month, I went into Micro Center to get a 6800 XT and my buddy noticed the 7800 XT was about $35 more. So happy he noticed. Great card, and great video.
This launch also seemed to cause a price drop in some of the used market, just ordered a used 6700xt for $190, listed as fully working and in great shape. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. $499 for that 7800xt feels like the first gpu price in a while that isn't terrible and overall it should force down the pricing of used last gen stuff that was still floating at around $400 for cards like the 6800xt
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v Where are you seeing the 20% higher price? Looking at the new market I'm seeing pricing for the 6800xt is high as $550 with most cards still at $499. With the 7800xt launching at $499 it should force prices for new 6800xt's to drop which will also lower the used market pricing.
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v I don't know what websites you and OP are looking at, but new 6800XTs are still floating around $500, roughly the same price as the 7800XT MSRP. So yes, it is better. Also, if you're comparing the used price of the 6800XT to the new price of the 7800XT, then that's pointless other than trying to gauge what you personally spend. It doesn't make the 7800XT price a garbage price. If you look at the NEW price of the 6800XT then compare it makes a lot more sense.
A NEW 6700 XT is around $330 - $340 for multiple models including OC models. It also comes with Starfield. To me that makes a used 6700 XT for around $200 a buy I personally wouldn't want to do, but to each their own. I'd at least get a warranty. And no, AMD CAN'T drop their pricing more than it is. There AREN'T MAKING PROFIT even right now. You can't LOSE money selling products. And to be clear, AMD has continued to manufacture RDNA 2 GPUs, so this isn't AMD trying to get rid of RDNA 2 GPUs. They have intentionally been making Zen 3 and RDNA 2 as budget options. I assume that since they're on TSMC N7 which is now getting a little old and VERY mature with very low defect rates that TSMC is selling this at a low price to AMD specifically. But once again, AMD is not going to MAKE new RDNA 2 products and then sell them at a price that loses them money, so the current prices you see which have been in place for most a year now is what they need to be at.
@@johndoh5182 amd is making massive profits, do some quick maths, 8gb vram = $20 and a wafer = $17k, the bulk numbers are likely less, assume yield is 90%. Pcb stuff + components = $50
As someone who used to be into custom builds 10-15 years ago and just tuning back in, the main thing I gather is you still need to spend $400 on a gpu alone right now just to scrape the performance of the $400 Series X sitting on the floor over there. Perhaps by late 2024 budget-med spec PC gaming will start to makes more sense. Right now it's difficult to justify.
RTX 2080 owner and right at 5 year now, so looking for the next card to replace it. Unless I can put a lot more money together for the RTX 4080 the 7800 XT makes a ton of sense to get from a price/performance point of view. Also cheaper then the 2080 when I bought it new all those years ago and so much more powerful.
So the 6700 XT is a REALLY good 1080p gaming GPU at an excellent price. It won't do ray tracing but I don't know how much that matters to people @1080p. It can be found for around $340 USD. With a game added right now, Starfield, if you're going to play the game that's a great value no matter how many people want to ignore the value of free games added to GPU. YES, you have to be a person who wants to play the game. If you are that's a solid $50 off the GPU, no matter how much people want to twist it. It's actually more than $50 USD currently but eventually the price will drop to about $50. So, the effective price for a 6700 XT for the models around $340 is $290. That's a little above MSRP for a 7600. The 7700 XT is moving into 2K gaming more so than the 6700 XT. The 7800 XT will be a premiere 2K gaming GPU. Mature drives should put its performance at around a 4070 Ti, but not RT performance. This is of course still the problem for AMD vs. Nvidia but of course AMD's pricing reflects it so........ The 7800 XT will get you into RT gaming at 2K, with lighter settings in the more demanding games. Driver updates will make these a bit better over time so this is a CLEAR 2K gaming GPU for a long time, and that's what I care about. To build a 4K rig, no. I'm not going to pay Nvidia $1500 USD for a 4090 and for the performance I'll want along with the visuals since after all that will be on a 65" OLED, that's the performance level I want. But I want it for a more reasonable price of $800 - $1000. Yes that sounds high to some people but 4K gaming is a lot more demanding.
I ordered a Sapphire 7800XT Nitro+. Out of stock for probably a couple weeks. It will be used to replace my still working EVGA 1080Ti that will move to my brother in law rig. I don't care about Ray tracing so getting 60% extra fps + more memory is perfect for the next 5 years on my ultrawide 1440P. My choice was guided by fps improvment at a "reasonnable" price. Even with 4070 reducing price to 7800XT, I do pick AMD because I am tired of Nvidia outrageous price against gamer. Using AMD CPU since year because tired of Intel changing their socket every year or so. Very pleased with AMD. Select 7800XT vs 6800XT because of lower consumption and possibly less hea = less noise. The extra FPS 6800XT do provide on some games was not enough for me to select it.
Bought the same card on Amazon in September. (560$ - 8% cashback = 515$ - 30$ for missing Sarfield = 485$) Delivered from US to UA + 13$ =498$.😮 Motherboard Asrock Taichi B650e Lite 255$. Ryzen 7500f I ordered from China on ali, price with 3 copouns $ 118 - 20% cachback = 94.4$😮
How about the RX 7800 XT vs RTX 4070 Ti? Cause that's pretty good perf. I was doubting about getting a new rig with the 7900 GRE, but this get to the sweet point between 3080 and 3090 perf for the right cost at the right consumption. This video has turned me into getting it ASAP.
I went from a 3060 to a 7800xt and I’ve finally been able to step up to 1440p. Even at 1080p, the 3060 was struggling with frame drops as low as 10-20fps at times. It was also consistently below 50 at 1440p and the 7800xt effectively doubled the performance in HD2. It didn’t hurt to get it on sale at 7700xt levels of pricing. One reason the 7800 xt doesn't look great vs the 6800 xt is that the 6800, 6800 xt and 6900 xt were all Navi 21 while the 6700 xt and 6700 were Navi 22. Both the 7800 xt and 7700 xt are Navi 32 so the 7800 xt is actually the successor to the 6700 xt and the 7700 xt is to tbe 6700. It might be bit of a stretch to say it’s a 5 year you given games like Black Myth, star wars, alan wake 2, avatar are already struggling without upscaling
> Long term card can not run VR crash all the time amd drivers is a joke look on real world experience with AMD GPUs, from people who actually use them
@@BaldKiwi117 >no issues You not using it then. Launch OBS with ANY modern game from steam - crash in 5 min 100%. Launch VRChat in VR - huge lags and half of map can not even load on AMD. Launch StableDiffusion port for AMD - entire system will crash left and right. Use any video-editing software on AMD - crash when you just scrolling time line. Why every twitch streamer and youtuber use Nvidia - because AMD does not work. I seen for last 6+ months - small twitch streamer go for new GPU - get AMD because it cheap - first stream playing popular game from Steam - crash in 5 min - streamer - "I think I go for other GPU" - back with Nvidia. I seen 10+ people do that just by watching random content. > I think they've fixed a lot of their issues Funny to read that. Since I also have AMD GPU - I did fix AMD driver bugs myself in Linux multiple times for last 2 years - they impossible crazy broken. AMD Windows driver - there 2 year old bugreports in AMD bugreport-forum that popular A+ games dont work on new AMD drivers since 1+ year already - do AMD care - did they fix their drivers... NOP they do not care - there literally 10+ pages discussion that on AMD bugreport forum, not even on steam. And "last half year" - AMD drivers become like 10x worse than ever before, I can not even use Linux kernel 6.5+ because there just million new bugs that I will have to fix, atleast AMD driver in Linux is opensource. At this point I feel like those "two people who work on AMD GPU driver full time" that AMD had - there 0 people left who work on drivers development in AMD.
Also can you do a video of Anti-lag+? I'd like to see if it's a tangible upgrade over normal Anti-lag, or if it makes no difference at all. It is a driver side latency reduction software so it isn't as good as Reflex but it should still do something I'm sure.
Awesome video once again Wendell my good sir 💪🤩👍✊! Great review and I liked that you mentioned about AMD other features regaling production / video editing / OBS etc … I would love to see a review of the content creation aspect of the software and how it compares to Nvidia’s🥰😉👍
Great video. And also a great product for AMD compared to Nvidia in the class range. Loved the additional insight about power tuning and OBS support along with Hyper RX.
Upgraded to this from a 6600 XT I bought day 1 for a painful AU$730, when all 6800 XT cards were AU1100+. Got my 7800 XT for AU$840. The AV1 encode is really nice. Just waiting for kernel 6.7 for the new overdrive stuff to undervolt it now.
How is your Idle power draw? I just bought a 7800xt and can't get the idle power draw below 30W In desktop and 55W with a single youtube video. Pretty damn bad.
@@dinimit4 With one 1080p144hz monitor on the desktop it idles at 6-13W according to CoreCtrl. I'm on Fedora 39 with Kernel 6.6.7. Playing 1080p RUclips gets up to 43W.
@@dinimit4yeah my 7800xt draws power similar to yours. I'm not sure how to reduce idle power draw as it may just be the way amd has written their algorithm to ensure max performance from what I've read. However, I have been successful with undervolting with keeping the tbp to 200-210W under load. Still gonna work on tweaking settings.
but most of the slides are from AMD... also if they tested UE5 games because you can't run them smoothly without frame generation. Also when will fsr 3.0 even release and how good it'll be?
AMD did a good job here. I would say that Nvidia should be concerned, but Nvidia's gaming presence seems to be just a formality at this point. I would not be that surprised if Nvidia pulled out of the gaming market in the next few years.
@@furry_homunculusThey're saying that gaming forms a small part of Nvidia's own revenue, since they make most of their money selling enterprise-level cards for AI these days. So Nvidia may be less interested in staying in the PC gaming market even if their position in that market is good
they obviously won't pull out because even if it's a fraction of the full revenue, it's still a lot of money (and they can use the same architecture from AI cards), so not too much extra R&D. However, their products might get increasingly worse and/or less risky/aggressive which will very likely make their market share dwindle
nvidia being in the gaming market is more of a prestige thing than being their source of revenue nobody ever talks about nvidia's enterprise level products but everyone on all forms of media is talking about their gaming gpus so technically their gaming division is creating user loyalty and brand recognition, so it's a very strong marketing stunt that also is self sustaining so we could say their marketing not only works for free but it also pays itself with a profit
@@AdrianOkay Agreed, was going to post the same. Their Enterprise/AI market will probably always make them more money. On top of this they seem to be able to charge crazy amounts of money for gaming cards and people will pay it.
Couple months with the 7800xt even with a small cpu bottleneck at 1080p it’s a big jump in performance over my 3060 ti. The 1% lows are where the difference is , all my games run so smooth. I love this card and for $500 it’s a great option
The hardware raytracing difference between AMD and Nvidia is likely a side effect of using raytracing as a testing scaler for Nvidia for Ai. From what I am seeing Nvidia is hot for raytracing not so much for raytracing in and of itself but for its importance as Nvidia sees it in Ai vision for a lot of it's industrial market hopes for Ai. While AMD is working on core Ai Nvidia as of late has been focusing a lot more of it's attention on making the curve to give it's customers real world use to Ai to make sure it's profits don't dip with the lag between "we could with Ai..." and "this is what we are doing with Ai". Raster being their Achilles heal if they are not careful as not just for games I feel it should be a higher priority than it is, and they (Nvidia) are not seeing why.
Energy consumption is a major consideration when buying a GPU in Denmark, as we have BY FAR some of the most expensive electricity in the world. The 7800XT efficiency has secured the honor of it being my next GPU!
50W of Power Difference round up to 5$ of power a year at 0.25$/kWh for 20hours of gaming per week... This is a NONE issue, so go take a walk and stop propagating FUD...
Listen up you American expert. Energy prices in Europe are very high. Historically, the electricity price in Germany has reached an all time high in August 2022. I understand if your brain struggles to understand that there are other countries besides America, with different rules, but that's the way it is. Your rules don't apply to all parts of the world, no matter how badly your government tries to achieve this goal.
@@knusperkeks2748 i did the research here, The average cost of electricity in a regular household in Denmark is approximately 3.461 DKK per kWh OR .51 USD (which is a lot, I pay .12 USD) . So the GPU cost is closer to $10 per year. And... household average in Germany is less than Denmark. so $10
@@AbsoleteAimyes I have undervolted and power limited my card so tbp is around 200W under load but I can't seem to bring idle power down. Anywhere from 20-50W idling and light tasks like videos.
I had a Polaris brand new buyed for 200€ in summer 2016. i used it until end of 2022. Now my Wife plays World of Warcraft with it. 7,5 Years Old and Still strong. High Details 1080p with stable fps in Wow. We used my AMD FX CPU and AM3 Mainboard too for 10 Years for Playing. Me from 2011 to 2018 and then she used it. Now i have a AM4 Mainboard since 2018, and after 5 Years with a Ryzen 6 Core for 130€, i switched to a Ryzen 5800X3D on the Same Mainboard. I Think this Mainboard will break the Old Record with 10 Years easy. Its still one of the Fastest CPU,s for Gaming and my Mainboard hits 6 Years in 4 Months.
Recently just built my first PC with a 6950xt and a 7700x. I reckon it will last easily 5 years no issue. Seeing how the 7800xt is similar to it in performance, I could see the same thing being said. Ill probably upgrade to a 4090-level performance in a couple years but i love what im working with so far.
people are making cards go way beyond 5 years. not sure where the 5 year mark comes into mind. Maybe in 5 years some settings might need to be adjusted? no loss there
@@Humpypants lasting as in the relevant graphical performance for myself and myself only. 5 years is a good enough time for the 6950xt to be good for me to where I’ll want to jump to 4k 200 frames instead of 1440p 200 frames
I think its time to put my RX 5700(non XT) on my shelf of old PC components & pull the trigger on the RX 7800 XT 😊😊😊 Merry early Christmas to myself LOL Mainly play Star Citizen so definitely could use the extra horse power!!
I feel that the 1% and 0.1% lows are very weird on many games, the 7900 XTX should never have lower framerate than 7800 XT or 7700 XT, no matter the game or resolution! Twitch does not allow any AV1 streaming for anyone, but you can upload AV1 videos there (for many years already lol not that it matters). Sadly I do not agree that this is the new 1060 since them 1060 cost half of this card's price... I am waiting for my own 16GB card but I can't pay more than 16GB. We already had 8GB cards at under 300€ since Rx 480, why has the memory not increased in 7 years? I really hope next year's RDNA 4 will bring more memory across the board. This is the best value of any card I think, but it's still less value than what we had before 2020
Yep I don't care about the GPU power because of cost but I do care about the heat coming with that power, I have an AC but I don't like using it but when I game in the summer months I have no choice, even tho it's just a 6800xt undervolted to 1V and limited to 2400mhz it still pulls 150-200W in games and that + the other heat coming out of the PC heats up my room by around 1c every hour of gaming so even if I ever buy a 300W+ card I will undervolt it. Today you're better off undervolting the GPUs and CPUs as they're pushed way too hard out of the factory at stock settings, nothing is running stock in my system.
I'm still on my RX 5700. It's alongside my PSU and case fans are the only components I did not upgrade. Might grab a 7800XT and a PSU when it goes on sale. So far, upgrading my game installation drive brought the most improvements. I went from spinning rust to an SN850X. I no longer have time for tea breaks while waiting for maps to load.
I upgraded from my Red Devil 5700xt to the hellhound 7800xt. It’s soooo good. Loving it and feel it may really last for some more years, while keeping a cool temp and enough frames.
@@deneb9857I just did the same thing. Too bad the Hellhound was out of stock everywhere so I had to get the (very pretty) Nitro+. I had to upgrade my PSU, too. Improvements are massive. The problem with hoping your GPU will last is the trend of games becoming far more demanding than they need to be. Focus on optimizations, the story, the artstyle, and player interactivity, godamnit! I don't care for that 10% increase in photorealism, I want my games to be well-polished and fully baked. I also upgraded my CPU from a 3600 to a 5700x. I actually upgraded my CPU first so was rocking a 5700X 5700 setup for a while...
@@hugoanderkivi It's good. It's cool and quiet, which is expected for such monstrously gargantuan graphics brick. It also looks absolutely gorgeous, you can connect the LEDs via aRGB header and use it as a simple light strip. I've set mine to a static dim red glow to accentuate the sleek industrial design.
@@tomhsia4354 Cool, I'm torn between this Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7800 XT and the upcoming RTX 4070 Ti Super. I'd prefer to keep my 650W PSU but will upgrade if I have to. Currently using the RX 5600 XT, and it fails to drive my S95C, which I knew would be a problem. Also, RX 5600 XT is limited to HDMI 2.0, so the new GPU would give me significantly better image quality.
Used 3080 for like $400-420 or a 7800 XT? I'm just so burned on AMD GPUs, my first ever used a 280, then I had a Sapphire 390. Awesome cards, no whine, no loud fans, a little hot but the sound is the most important thing for me and I had zero issues. Fast forward to the 5700 XT Challenger by Asrock, it was so damn noisy, so hot, it was so behind when compared to Nvidia's NVENC encoding which was awesome for streaming. I also forgot what AMD's version of Shadowplay was called but I liked how the software looked but it would randomly stop working which was annoying. There were just too many little quirks and I've had Nvidia cards despite their evil, greedy nature. I know AMD is also a corporation and their priority is making money but after the AM4 line of CPUs and crawling back from near bankruptcy, it's hard to not to want to give them business but I just can't seem to do it. Not to mention with Starfield, it seems FSR2 is just inferior to DLSS which is a bummer as well. Does anyone know if AMD is finally caught up in terms of NVENC encoding and stability on their Shadowplay equivalent? It might sound silly but I absolutely love AMD's reference designs so a part of me just wants that beautiful card but I kind of don't want to mess around with "trialing" GPUs and would love for AMD to just knock it out of the park.
yeah I get a ton of crashes with my 7900xtx. While only a couple blue screens in CoD. How come all these amd cards are awesome and mines just not. I have yes done it all, stripped all old drives ddu tools the whole nine yards and still something isnt just right. Hogwarts I don't think has ever crashed but most of my titles at some point, 3 minutes in 3 hours is all random it will simply close the game and dump me to desktop. Sometimes i see it in a slight freeze. 1200wats of top of the line power 7800x3d simply put i should be stomping the competition to death and yet a 4070 12gb ti trades blows with me at 4k and even though I win the fps race they don't crash.........
I just upgraded my 3060 12 gig, which was a good card but not best for like AAA games. Ended up with XFX Radeon RX 7800xt Merc 319 black edition the RDNA 3. I think team green needs a serious price drop, amd seems to be coming for the market and some improvements to software to go with it plus more fsr support with 3.1 to go with it plus frame gen. It was honestly a no brainer mostly a competitive player don’t care about ray tracing, and it was a simple choice between going with a 4070 super 600 or more depending on brand or the 800+ 4070 ti super, or the Merc 319 RX 7800 xt for 500 flat on sale plus free copy of avatar and no taxes in New Hampshire, def was a easy choice! 😅
9:32 that's what I have been looking for to help me decide the 7800 xt over the 4070. I don't dabble in overclocking whatsoever. Would you still recommend an aftermarket design over the reference design?
im still on a 1080 myself. was hoping to grab a 7900xtx this year, but it isnt going to work out. Might go for a 7800xt as the price/performance is even better than the 7900xtx, but might just wait till next gen/2025 and see what the flagships look like then.
I like to keep my GPU to below 300w. The 4080 is as high as I’d like to go. I tried a partner model of the 7900 xtx and it made my room really hot. That’s why I ended up swapping to an open box 4080.
bought 3070 in jan 2021 wd the same reason from gtx 1060 6gb . wanted to upgrade to 4080 but prices r just insane and there is not a single model which 2 8pins . . all 3080s had 12 pin to 2 8pin connector this 4080 is just 320 watts still they r giving 3 pins😮
@@CaptainScorpio24 the 4080 actually uses much less power than 320 watts in most scenarios. It’s average power draw according to reviews is ~250-280 if I recall correctly. It was a steep upgrade, but I just wanted to grab something that would be able to play everything well for a long time. I think my 4080 will last until the next console generation.
@@sorenvitarelli yes 4080 is best card from power to performance ratio . im waiting for somebody to make a small 4080 gpu wd two 8 pins to 12 pin connector.
The 6800xt was imo the best balanced card last generation. This card follows suit. A bit like the hd 7870 was back what when. Thank you for your review.
My last build was in 2017 I built intel 8700k gigabyte aura gaming 5, evga gtx770 (2gb vram) superclocked in SLI played overwatch and tf2 a couple times and never turned on my pc again. The cards literally look like that they just came out of the box. Only to find out that they’re dinosaurs now😢😢. At this point I will find someone who wants them for collection aka paper weights in the background if they’re content creating.
I can do you better: I've been rocking a GTX 780 since 2016. I am desperately looking for a good value 1440p card. Unless a 7900 XT goes below $700, the 7800 XT is up my alley.
I think AMD will start to have gaming cornered in the near future. Providing the hardware for both the Xbox and PS5 will encourage developers and engineers to optimize the software better.
I got the 7900 XTX after a 3060ti death resulted in me using Arc A770 16GB for a month. (Only reasonable priced card with decent performance for my workloads I could find that wasn't NVIDIA) I hope this also is a 5 Year GPU because holy shit I never wanna spend this f*cking much on a god damn compute unit.
i have a 2070 founders edition with a water block. don't game as much so it's stayed but, now there are unlock signatures and bios mods coming and since it runs soo cool and stays at turbo speed always, it's begging for a mild OC at least, seems like a water cooling and bios mods could extend it's life.
How does it perform for you so far? What water block do you use? Can you clue me in to where to find these bios mods and unlock signatures? Sorry for asking so many questions, but I have the exact same card (except "Super"), brand new sealed in box (long story) and I'm finally building a new rig and trying to decide if I should spend 500 plus dollars or stick with what I have. Very grateful for any insight. Thank you! ☮
14:55 Wait why is there an obvious moiré pattern on the AMD GPU? Is this with DLSS/FSR image reconstruction tech enabled or is it native? Super weird behaviour, but would make sense if DLSS is enabled since that pretty much fixes moiré pattern. Frame gen does introduce that weird pattern tho.
My 1070 is 6.5 years old... I'll be buying a 4070 soon... I paid $440 in 2017, so $530 (current) or less this year for a similar model level is not overpriced.
Just got a used rx6800 for $325 since it’s dual slot and my SFF case can only fit up to dual slot cards. I undervolted it and it sips about 160w at 2100mhz. 5 year GPU for me, thanks previous owner😅
Loved your review as not only did you cover the New Cards but also AMDs software which many other reviews either didn't cover or just barely mentioned. I'm sticking with my RX6700XT I got for 1/3 the price of planned RTX3070 & was surprised by performance & just how solid AMDs Software& Drivers are as many say Drivers are AMDs Achilles heal not had a problem started with Win10 upgraded to Win11 smoothly unlike my RTX3060 laptop that needed a driver removal then reinstal also my PC seems to kick out less heat than the laptop with nonscientific hand test. Many games I use don't need Ray tracing but I beleive it requires more memory than Nvidia is putting on cards probably to force earlier replacement of card & they need to be careful as AMD are no longer neglecting Software & Drivers & Intel hungry for GPU market cash they could find they are next 3DFX. I've seen RUclips videos on Nvida Drivers having issues with 4k monitors & TVs & sound issues very unNvidia like.
On the wattage, you're right. If the gamers don't have to upgrade their PSU to run the card, then they're good for the most part. As long as my 850 watt seasonic can do the job, I'm happy.
a 850w psu is enough for whichever gpu paired with whatever cpu. Should even handle a 13900ks running at full speed and an rtx 4090 during a power spike
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j the problem is the transient power spikes. I would have needed to upgrade the PSU if I was buying a 3090Ti. Though, if I'm buying one of those the PSU is a small price in comparison.
i mean sure, theoretically possible but very unplausable that your 3090ii/4090 would spike to 500w and 13900ks 300w at the same time, and even then likely the 850w would be enough unless you have lots of other stuff (like a ton of drives). And it's pretty easily preventable too, and shouldn't occur with stable drivers. If you want to overclock these even more, running liquid cooled system and pushing to the extremes then sure, I would recommend 1000w. But for normal usage, 850w is enough. I also assume you don't have a cpu drawing 250w or even 150w lol@@CreativityNull
Just finished the video, the software looks nice for encoding. I think it might be time to try out an AMD card again, it sucks I have no clue where to buy the reference model because the partner cards look so bland to me and I don't want to pay beyond $510-520 or the price just isn't worth it to me.
In our series of minor complaints today: if your camera has autofocus mode that focuses on your face / eyes, please use it. It's pretty common for you to be out of focus. If it doesn't, make sure the next one you get does.
I am still on V64 HBM and most of the games run on 60fps with Chill ON! With RE Village i had to use HBCC Memory Controller to get up to 12GB RAM and then it was fine again with 60 fps Looking forward to buy the new 8000 series with that new Raytracing thing and Advanced Chiplets. 7000 Series are not that good but you have to start somewhere with Chiplets GPU's. I also tend to look at Next Gen. and with NV and AMD it looks like they will feed us with FSR and DLLS until the End of Days!
GTX 1060 owners aren't looking at $500 replacements when the 1060 6gb was a $250 card new. 6600xt new and a 6700 XT used are more of it's replacement. Edit: you can even get a 5700 XT for $170 and still destroy your 1060 without feeling like you have to spend double to get your replacement.
I kinda started hating nvidia due to being less and less interested in fixing old bugs that for creators are pain in the ass. Glad that 7800 pulls that nice numbers in SD it was the very important thing for me and no one covers almost anything beside gaming with those cards.
for 1440p the 7800xt is a 5 year card but not 4k. i got a 6800xt and a 4k monitor and it plays every game at 4k even starfield but its pushing the limits now. waiting for the next gen 5080 or 8900xtxtxtxtxtx really need it for 4k high refresh rate/ ray tracing.
Having the 6800xt for ~2 years now I think the 6800xt will rather turn out to be a 5-year GPU :)
Right there with you.
only if developers optimized their games , which is a bit a rare these days.
@@haewymetal No clue what makes you think that. The 6800XT is a gimped NAVI 21 die (Top tier die), while this is the highest spec NAVI 32 (mid tier die). They also use different ram speed chips, have different die sizes, different processes etc. If anything the NAVI 22 RX6800 is a closer analogue. AMD's marketing made a mistake by giving it the XT moniker, it should have been the RX7800 as it is closest to the RX6800.
Well, the 6800XT is faster than the 7800XT so yeah...
@@Ilost11 I imagine they knew exactly what they were doing.
The RX 7800 XT definitely seems like it is worth the extra $50 over the 7700 XT. Congratulations on 400K!
It will raise above the 50usd delta 😂
Lmao no. Its 2% faster than rx6800xt so lets be honest... Just get rx6800xt or with that price rx6950xt
@@ForceInEvHorizon It depends on the game or benchmark. The RX 7800 XT also uses less power, and perf will probably improve as new drivers are released. Plus, supplies of the RX 6800 XT are going to eventually run out, probably quicker than you think.
@ForceInEvHorizon HyperRX is an RDNA3 thing. AV1 encoder. Power efficiencies benefits.
@@edwarddesposito4476 HyperRX is a marketing for FSR1 and all those mumbo jumbo like Anti-lag+ but is that -2ms really worth it for the price you're paying instead getting an actual better fps and raz performance across the board?
Amazing review and thanks. This review style caters to exactly my use case: casual gamer that also uses the gear for content creation. Most reviews just concentrate on gaming benchmarks alone. I really like how this review covers OBS and AV1. Would love to see a video from Level1Techs diving deeper into AV1 encoding with various presets and comparing video quality generated between team red/green/blue. New subscriber!
This is a FACT about AMD in particular and why I don't pay attention to day 1 reviews where the reviewer focuses on benchmarks.
AMD NEVER has great drivers at launch. You can have games where even a year later AMD will make a change and you're now getting 5 - 10% better fps.
A REALLY good site for reviews because they have a lot more data, is Techpowerup, and I'm talking about a website, not a RUclips channel, so you get to read. I just look at charts though.
And from my experience, the best way to get info about gaming is not to go to day 1 reviews. For instance if you buy a GPU 6 months after launch those reviews are worthless. More than likely whatever issues they've pointed out will be fixed. Instead watch the different videos from benchmarkers that compare GPUs, so something like a "7800 XT vs. 4070 Ti" and then you look for the most recent videos and watch them. That will give you enough info about how the GPUs are performing at that time. It's also better to watch the ones where people ACTUALLY are gaming, not just running through the game or running a built in benchmark. It creates some variability run to run, but it's representative of a person PLAYING THE GAME!
So yes, Level1Tech is more helpful to me because I never run out and buy a GPU on day 1. For AMD in particular I'll wait til there's a sale.
If they did, could you trust their results?
Already installed my 7800 XT yesterday and just watched this video. I'm happy with my decision so far and really enjoy the upgrade coming from my 1050ti after 8 years
nice. Did you sell the 1050ti?
Nope, still have it and will save it up for a spare family pc or incase someone of my friends needs a dirt cheap pc
you should be happy. I've been studying the hell out of this card with so many graphics studied and so many benchmark comparison videos. This card is simply a banger. Cards underneath it are much lower in performance but not much lower in price. The cards above it are pretty high above it in performance, but painfully high in price.
I don't see this as a 5-year card. I think this could be a 10 year card assuming you do the right things in 10 years like reduce game settings or downgrade resolution monitor if you're at 1440p or higher. I'm all about longevity with my builds.
I wish it will last me 10 years. I just struggle with driver problems from time to time where it wont recognize the card. But the performance is great. Might want to upgrade my old 3600xt soon to get more fps when i switch to 1440p
@@dank4066 how does it behave? Got a loose connection or is that more software based?
Sweet! I am finally able to upgrade my rx 580 4GB and was looking at 4070's. Now I can go team red and keep my linux machine happy.
switched fom 480 4 GB to 6800 XT recently, bit of upgrade :)
@@Trisstan20ohoho that gpu update isn't Little. It's massive it's stonks
I've got a 3070 no driver issues on fedora with steam proton. Will probably be upgrading to 7800 or 7900 depends on deals.
Congrats on 400K!!
Yep, thoughts align on which is better to get. But nice to see AMD inject some value into this price segment for this gen.
ROCm support with PyTorch definitely has me considering this over a 6800XT. I think the biggest problem with this card is the name. It should’ve been either a 7800 or the 7700 XT should’ve been a 7700 and this should’ve been the XT variant.
It makes you wonder why they made the 7900 XT and GRE, as they had the silicone to make every natural successor to the RDNA 2 range, but didn't because AMD loves selling confusion with a dash of disappointment
@@stevenwest1494Because the profit margins are higher the farther up the stack you go, it's why Nvidia love the GeForce xx90 and Quadro cards so much.
youtube.com/@Flameancer Did you bout the amd gpu for PyTorch? I am thinking about the same. Have you faced any challenge ?
seems like the ROCm support is only up until 7900XT now. Any news on 7800XT yet? kinda worried they won't be taking the support to the midrange cards
I got the Radeon 7800 XT with my new ryzen 9 7900x. Very happy with the pair.
Same! Beast combo🎉
2:45 I think it's also good to keep in mind American users are going to value power efficiency a lot less than say an average European user will. If I ran a 200 watt card 24/7 for a month it'd cost me around $15. My friends in Germany & the Netherlands would be closer to $50-60 doing the same. Over the cards lifetime that can add up a lot
If you ran your 200w card 24/7 for a month you have bigger problems
myeh. as long as its cooled well, usually no problem.@@JohnSmith-ro8hk
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk 😂 just an example to show relative costs.
Although heavy use almost 24/7 isn't super uncommon for me (and I'm guessing other editors/creatives) while working on projects. If I work 8-12hrs, game a bit when I'm not working, and run my renders while I sleep my GPU is gonna be running almost all day
@@Anatoliys_Adventure Still, i have never in my 20+years active computer tech days come over a single person. Not one!!! that ever bothered about the power efficiency. Only a handful of so called enthusiasts will ever bother with that. You buy the card you want and get the psu you need. If you have to think about money when it comes to running this thing half the day or 24/7 you do not have the money to even buy the gpu ...
@lillerosin2915 hello! I live on the equator. I care about the power efficiency but really the heat it generates because it is hot and humid here.
I really like how your graphs are designed. I think its quite important to show how much weight .1% lows actually has in gaming, you guys have definitely achieved that. GGWP
Gonna side-upgrade from my 3080 to the 7800xt for the vram, reduced power consumption, and Starfield code to sell
Starfield code to sell😂😂😂 noone wants that crap
I'm really eager to see FSR3 Frame Generation compared to DLSS Frame Gen, as well as Anti-Lag+ with FSR3 and what response times are like vs. Nvidia's Reflex tech.
If AMD's implementations are close enough in quality/performance, it'll be a real game changer (no pun intended) for the gaming market. 👀
Was looking forward to the 7800. Don't think they should've named it XT as it's on par with the 6800 XT in a significant way. I know what I'll be buying for Xmas.
That one AMD guy said that it was a 6800 successor, but it's really a 6700 XT successor if you ask me. The launch MSRP is closest to the 6700 XT, if you properly adjust for inflation. In fact, 500 USD today is equivalent to about 440 USD in early 2021, which is likely closer to what the 6700 XT was originally planned to launch at before the big GPU shortage happened.
The price isn't actually that bad if you consider inflation and original MSRP pricing. It also compares very well to the 5700 XT which launched four years ago for 400 USD, which is equivalent to about 478 USD today, and was considered an excellent value at the time in 2019. The 7800 XT is roughly 90% faster than the 5700 XT, and has double the Vram, along with various other improvements.
@@syncmonismIt's really much more of a RX 6800 non-XT successor, both have the same 60 CU's but half the Cache. And that seems to show through in high resolutions as it doesn't scale the same as the cards with more cache. The 6700 XT has 40 CU's and about half the memory bandwidth
With that said, IMO it doesn't deserve the XT moniker. But where it does shine is the compute is nearly twice as the 6800 line
but is not on par, run any compute software and it performs worse, since it has thousand of cores less XD
@@syncmonism Because 6800, 6800xt and 6900xt basen on navi 21 chip, Like 7900xt xtx and Gre based on navi 31. 6700(xt), 7700xt and 7800xt based on middle and chip navi 22 and 32
better order it now if you want to get it by Christmas :)
Wendell your reviews are my favorite! I love this generation from AMD they started off rough with the naming and pricing, but theyre coming around on value as the prices drop. I got my asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx for $1030 after tax but i sold my rx6800 for $250 to a friend which made it even better value.
When buying parts for a new pc last month, I went into Micro Center to get a 6800 XT and my buddy noticed the 7800 XT was about $35 more. So happy he noticed. Great card, and great video.
35$ more ? That's a steal. Nice !
I picked up an open box sapphire nitro+ 7800xt for about $500 at microcenter. Really happy with it so far
I'm thinkin about building a linux box soon, the AV1 capabilities are extremely tempting for me.
This launch also seemed to cause a price drop in some of the used market, just ordered a used 6700xt for $190, listed as fully working and in great shape. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. $499 for that 7800xt feels like the first gpu price in a while that isn't terrible and overall it should force down the pricing of used last gen stuff that was still floating at around $400 for cards like the 6800xt
7800xt is 5% more than the 6800xt for 20% more in price.
In what universe is that anything other than taking the pics.
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v Where are you seeing the 20% higher price? Looking at the new market I'm seeing pricing for the 6800xt is high as $550 with most cards still at $499. With the 7800xt launching at $499 it should force prices for new 6800xt's to drop which will also lower the used market pricing.
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v I don't know what websites you and OP are looking at, but new 6800XTs are still floating around $500, roughly the same price as the 7800XT MSRP. So yes, it is better.
Also, if you're comparing the used price of the 6800XT to the new price of the 7800XT, then that's pointless other than trying to gauge what you personally spend. It doesn't make the 7800XT price a garbage price. If you look at the NEW price of the 6800XT then compare it makes a lot more sense.
A NEW 6700 XT is around $330 - $340 for multiple models including OC models. It also comes with Starfield.
To me that makes a used 6700 XT for around $200 a buy I personally wouldn't want to do, but to each their own. I'd at least get a warranty.
And no, AMD CAN'T drop their pricing more than it is. There AREN'T MAKING PROFIT even right now. You can't LOSE money selling products.
And to be clear, AMD has continued to manufacture RDNA 2 GPUs, so this isn't AMD trying to get rid of RDNA 2 GPUs. They have intentionally been making Zen 3 and RDNA 2 as budget options. I assume that since they're on TSMC N7 which is now getting a little old and VERY mature with very low defect rates that TSMC is selling this at a low price to AMD specifically.
But once again, AMD is not going to MAKE new RDNA 2 products and then sell them at a price that loses them money, so the current prices you see which have been in place for most a year now is what they need to be at.
@@johndoh5182 amd is making massive profits, do some quick maths, 8gb vram = $20 and a wafer = $17k, the bulk numbers are likely less, assume yield is 90%. Pcb stuff + components = $50
I do care about power, but mostly efficiency. The more efficient the card means the card can have less heat, less fin mass, and less noise.
A 4090 with at 60% tdp (so 270w) is the most efficient card ever made, it only loses 5-8% performance vs full tdp. Strange how that works eh?
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As someone who used to be into custom builds 10-15 years ago and just tuning back in, the main thing I gather is you still need to spend $400 on a gpu alone right now just to scrape the performance of the $400 Series X sitting on the floor over there. Perhaps by late 2024 budget-med spec PC gaming will start to makes more sense. Right now it's difficult to justify.
RTX 2080 owner and right at 5 year now, so looking for the next card to replace it. Unless I can put a lot more money together for the RTX 4080 the 7800 XT makes a ton of sense to get from a price/performance point of view. Also cheaper then the 2080 when I bought it new all those years ago and so much more powerful.
So the 6700 XT is a REALLY good 1080p gaming GPU at an excellent price. It won't do ray tracing but I don't know how much that matters to people @1080p. It can be found for around $340 USD. With a game added right now, Starfield, if you're going to play the game that's a great value no matter how many people want to ignore the value of free games added to GPU. YES, you have to be a person who wants to play the game. If you are that's a solid $50 off the GPU, no matter how much people want to twist it. It's actually more than $50 USD currently but eventually the price will drop to about $50. So, the effective price for a 6700 XT for the models around $340 is $290. That's a little above MSRP for a 7600.
The 7700 XT is moving into 2K gaming more so than the 6700 XT. The 7800 XT will be a premiere 2K gaming GPU. Mature drives should put its performance at around a 4070 Ti, but not RT performance. This is of course still the problem for AMD vs. Nvidia but of course AMD's pricing reflects it so........
The 7800 XT will get you into RT gaming at 2K, with lighter settings in the more demanding games. Driver updates will make these a bit better over time so this is a CLEAR 2K gaming GPU for a long time, and that's what I care about.
To build a 4K rig, no. I'm not going to pay Nvidia $1500 USD for a 4090 and for the performance I'll want along with the visuals since after all that will be on a 65" OLED, that's the performance level I want. But I want it for a more reasonable price of $800 - $1000. Yes that sounds high to some people but 4K gaming is a lot more demanding.
My 6700 XT is a great 1440p card
I ordered a Sapphire 7800XT Nitro+. Out of stock for probably a couple weeks. It will be used to replace my still working EVGA 1080Ti that will move to my brother in law rig.
I don't care about Ray tracing so getting 60% extra fps + more memory is perfect for the next 5 years on my ultrawide 1440P. My choice was guided by fps improvment at a "reasonnable" price. Even with 4070 reducing price to 7800XT, I do pick AMD because I am tired of Nvidia outrageous price against gamer. Using AMD CPU since year because tired of Intel changing their socket every year or so. Very pleased with AMD.
Select 7800XT vs 6800XT because of lower consumption and possibly less hea = less noise. The extra FPS 6800XT do provide on some games was not enough for me to select it.
Bought the same card on Amazon in September. (560$ - 8% cashback = 515$ - 30$ for missing Sarfield = 485$) Delivered from US to UA + 13$ =498$.😮
Motherboard Asrock Taichi B650e Lite 255$. Ryzen 7500f I ordered from China on ali, price with 3 copouns $ 118 - 20% cachback = 94.4$😮
Dw Ray tracing îs a too young technology it's not optimized yet for public gaming. It only rips wallets off for now because marketing.
I have the same card. It's very nice so far and I'm happy with it
How about the RX 7800 XT vs RTX 4070 Ti? Cause that's pretty good perf.
I was doubting about getting a new rig with the 7900 GRE, but this get to the sweet point between 3080 and 3090 perf for the right cost at the right consumption.
This video has turned me into getting it ASAP.
I went from a 3060 to a 7800xt and I’ve finally been able to step up to 1440p. Even at 1080p, the 3060 was struggling with frame drops as low as 10-20fps at times. It was also consistently below 50 at 1440p and the 7800xt effectively doubled the performance in HD2. It didn’t hurt to get it on sale at 7700xt levels of pricing.
One reason the 7800 xt doesn't look great vs the 6800 xt is that the 6800, 6800 xt and 6900 xt were all Navi 21 while the 6700 xt and 6700 were Navi 22. Both the 7800 xt and 7700 xt are Navi 32 so the 7800 xt is actually the successor to the 6700 xt and the 7700 xt is to tbe 6700.
It might be bit of a stretch to say it’s a 5 year you given games like Black Myth, star wars, alan wake 2, avatar are already struggling without upscaling
Talk about value proposition holy shit. Long term card, with a VERY competitive bundled game. 4 years out of it, at least. This is fantastic
> Long term card
can not run VR
crash all the time
amd drivers is a joke
look on real world experience with AMD GPUs, from people who actually use them
@@MorimeaI've been using mine for a month now with no issues so I think they've fixed a lot of their issues. Idgaf about vr lol
@@BaldKiwi117 >no issues
You not using it then.
Launch OBS with ANY modern game from steam - crash in 5 min 100%.
Launch VRChat in VR - huge lags and half of map can not even load on AMD.
Launch StableDiffusion port for AMD - entire system will crash left and right.
Use any video-editing software on AMD - crash when you just scrolling time line.
Why every twitch streamer and youtuber use Nvidia - because AMD does not work.
I seen for last 6+ months - small twitch streamer go for new GPU - get AMD because it cheap - first stream playing popular game from Steam - crash in 5 min - streamer - "I think I go for other GPU" - back with Nvidia.
I seen 10+ people do that just by watching random content.
> I think they've fixed a lot of their issues
Funny to read that.
Since I also have AMD GPU - I did fix AMD driver bugs myself in Linux multiple times for last 2 years - they impossible crazy broken.
AMD Windows driver - there 2 year old bugreports in AMD bugreport-forum that popular A+ games dont work on new AMD drivers since 1+ year already - do AMD care - did they fix their drivers... NOP they do not care - there literally 10+ pages discussion that on AMD bugreport forum, not even on steam.
And "last half year" - AMD drivers become like 10x worse than ever before, I can not even use Linux kernel 6.5+ because there just million new bugs that I will have to fix, atleast AMD driver in Linux is opensource.
At this point I feel like those "two people who work on AMD GPU driver full time" that AMD had - there 0 people left who work on drivers development in AMD.
Congrats with the 400K subs! Here is another sub :). Enjoying your content.
Congrats on 400K!
Also can you do a video of Anti-lag+? I'd like to see if it's a tangible upgrade over normal Anti-lag, or if it makes no difference at all. It is a driver side latency reduction software so it isn't as good as Reflex but it should still do something I'm sure.
Awesome video once again Wendell my good sir 💪🤩👍✊! Great review and I liked that you mentioned about AMD other features regaling production / video editing / OBS etc … I would love to see a review of the content creation aspect of the software and how it compares to Nvidia’s🥰😉👍
Great video. And also a great product for AMD compared to Nvidia in the class range. Loved the additional insight about power tuning and OBS support along with Hyper RX.
7800XT is easily the best value right now for a 1440p card. 1080p if you have a strong enough cpu to not have a slight cpu bottleneck.
Upgraded to this from a 6600 XT I bought day 1 for a painful AU$730, when all 6800 XT cards were AU1100+. Got my 7800 XT for AU$840. The AV1 encode is really nice. Just waiting for kernel 6.7 for the new overdrive stuff to undervolt it now.
How is your Idle power draw? I just bought a 7800xt and can't get the idle power draw below 30W In desktop and 55W with a single youtube video. Pretty damn bad.
@@dinimit4 With one 1080p144hz monitor on the desktop it idles at 6-13W according to CoreCtrl. I'm on Fedora 39 with Kernel 6.6.7. Playing 1080p RUclips gets up to 43W.
@@dinimit4yeah my 7800xt draws power similar to yours. I'm not sure how to reduce idle power draw as it may just be the way amd has written their algorithm to ensure max performance from what I've read. However, I have been successful with undervolting with keeping the tbp to 200-210W under load. Still gonna work on tweaking settings.
Great review from Wendell once again. Always unbiased and true to the experience
but most of the slides are from AMD... also if they tested UE5 games because you can't run them smoothly without frame generation. Also when will fsr 3.0 even release and how good it'll be?
Lol. Goes through an entire hyped up 7800 XT video without mentioning its at times better performing predecessor. Don't think that counts as unbiased.
AMD did a good job here. I would say that Nvidia should be concerned, but Nvidia's gaming presence seems to be just a formality at this point. I would not be that surprised if Nvidia pulled out of the gaming market in the next few years.
@@furry_homunculusThey're saying that gaming forms a small part of Nvidia's own revenue, since they make most of their money selling enterprise-level cards for AI these days. So Nvidia may be less interested in staying in the PC gaming market even if their position in that market is good
they obviously won't pull out because even if it's a fraction of the full revenue, it's still a lot of money (and they can use the same architecture from AI cards), so not too much extra R&D. However, their products might get increasingly worse and/or less risky/aggressive which will very likely make their market share dwindle
nvidia being in the gaming market is more of a prestige thing than being their source of revenue
nobody ever talks about nvidia's enterprise level products but everyone on all forms of media is talking about their gaming gpus
so technically their gaming division is creating user loyalty and brand recognition, so it's a very strong marketing stunt that also is self sustaining
so we could say their marketing not only works for free but it also pays itself with a profit
@@AdrianOkay Agreed, was going to post the same. Their Enterprise/AI market will probably always make them more money. On top of this they seem to be able to charge crazy amounts of money for gaming cards and people will pay it.
@@furry_homunculus Probably one of the least intelligent comments ive read this last month ...
0:50 Wendell, I'm still rocking a 1060 because a 3060 still costs $600 here. I'm going insane.
much love though lmao
Couple months with the 7800xt even with a small cpu bottleneck at 1080p it’s a big jump in performance over my 3060 ti. The 1% lows are where the difference is , all my games run so smooth. I love this card and for $500 it’s a great option
In 2020 I bough a 5700XT, for now I can still game at FHD. So I will keep this gpu until the radeon 8000 series.
The hardware raytracing difference between AMD and Nvidia is likely a side effect of using raytracing as a testing scaler for Nvidia for Ai. From what I am seeing Nvidia is hot for raytracing not so much for raytracing in and of itself but for its importance as Nvidia sees it in Ai vision for a lot of it's industrial market hopes for Ai. While AMD is working on core Ai Nvidia as of late has been focusing a lot more of it's attention on making the curve to give it's customers real world use to Ai to make sure it's profits don't dip with the lag between "we could with Ai..." and "this is what we are doing with Ai". Raster being their Achilles heal if they are not careful as not just for games I feel it should be a higher priority than it is, and they (Nvidia) are not seeing why.
Energy consumption is a major consideration when buying a GPU in Denmark, as we have BY FAR some of the most expensive electricity in the world. The 7800XT efficiency has secured the honor of it being my next GPU!
@@DiddydudatTheoretically, you could probably underclock the 7800xt as well?
50W of Power Difference round up to 5$ of power a year at 0.25$/kWh for 20hours of gaming per week...
This is a NONE issue, so go take a walk and stop propagating FUD...
Listen up you American expert. Energy prices in Europe are very high. Historically, the electricity price in Germany has reached an all time high in August 2022.
I understand if your brain struggles to understand that there are other countries besides America, with different rules, but that's the way it is. Your rules don't apply to all parts of the world, no matter how badly your government tries to achieve this goal.
@@knusperkeks2748 i did the research here, The average cost of electricity in a regular household in Denmark is approximately 3.461 DKK per kWh OR .51 USD (which is a lot, I pay .12 USD) . So the GPU cost is closer to $10 per year. And... household average in Germany is less than Denmark. so $10
@@AbsoleteAimyes I have undervolted and power limited my card so tbp is around 200W under load but I can't seem to bring idle power down. Anywhere from 20-50W idling and light tasks like videos.
I had a Polaris brand new buyed for 200€ in summer 2016. i used it until end of 2022.
Now my Wife plays World of Warcraft with it. 7,5 Years Old and Still strong. High Details 1080p with stable fps in Wow.
We used my AMD FX CPU and AM3 Mainboard too for 10 Years for Playing. Me from 2011 to 2018 and then she used it.
Now i have a AM4 Mainboard since 2018, and after 5 Years with a Ryzen 6 Core for 130€, i switched to a Ryzen 5800X3D on the Same Mainboard.
I Think this Mainboard will break the Old Record with 10 Years easy. Its still one of the Fastest CPU,s for Gaming and my Mainboard hits 6 Years in 4 Months.
Recently just built my first PC with a 6950xt and a 7700x. I reckon it will last easily 5 years no issue. Seeing how the 7800xt is similar to it in performance, I could see the same thing being said. Ill probably upgrade to a 4090-level performance in a couple years but i love what im working with so far.
people are making cards go way beyond 5 years. not sure where the 5 year mark comes into mind. Maybe in 5 years some settings might need to be adjusted? no loss there
@@Humpypants lasting as in the relevant graphical performance for myself and myself only. 5 years is a good enough time for the 6950xt to be good for me to where I’ll want to jump to 4k 200 frames instead of 1440p 200 frames
I think its time to put my RX 5700(non XT) on my shelf of old PC components & pull the trigger on the RX 7800 XT 😊😊😊 Merry early Christmas to myself LOL
Mainly play Star Citizen so definitely could use the extra horse power!!
I feel you. My 5700xt is starting to fail... How is the new gpu?
I plan on making my 1070ti a 10 year gpu lol, almost 6 years and it's still perfect for 1080p 144fps in esports and 60fps high/ultra on AAAs
Felicidades por los 400k!! Great video and I am really considering buying a rdna3 graphics card for my Linux workstation.
I’m confident that this will be able to do GTA 6 at 1440p 60 fps. Rockstar are good at optimising their more recent games.
I feel that the 1% and 0.1% lows are very weird on many games, the 7900 XTX should never have lower framerate than 7800 XT or 7700 XT, no matter the game or resolution!
Twitch does not allow any AV1 streaming for anyone, but you can upload AV1 videos there (for many years already lol not that it matters).
Sadly I do not agree that this is the new 1060 since them 1060 cost half of this card's price... I am waiting for my own 16GB card but I can't pay more than 16GB. We already had 8GB cards at under 300€ since Rx 480, why has the memory not increased in 7 years? I really hope next year's RDNA 4 will bring more memory across the board. This is the best value of any card I think, but it's still less value than what we had before 2020
I am still on a GTX 1060 and preparing to upgrade the RTX 4080
Yep I don't care about the GPU power because of cost but I do care about the heat coming with that power, I have an AC but I don't like using it but when I game in the summer months I have no choice, even tho it's just a 6800xt undervolted to 1V and limited to 2400mhz it still pulls 150-200W in games and that + the other heat coming out of the PC heats up my room by around 1c every hour of gaming so even if I ever buy a 300W+ card I will undervolt it. Today you're better off undervolting the GPUs and CPUs as they're pushed way too hard out of the factory at stock settings, nothing is running stock in my system.
I'm still on my RX 5700. It's alongside my PSU and case fans are the only components I did not upgrade. Might grab a 7800XT and a PSU when it goes on sale.
So far, upgrading my game installation drive brought the most improvements. I went from spinning rust to an SN850X. I no longer have time for tea breaks while waiting for maps to load.
I upgraded from my Red Devil 5700xt to the hellhound 7800xt. It’s soooo good. Loving it and feel it may really last for some more years, while keeping a cool temp and enough frames.
@@deneb9857I just did the same thing. Too bad the Hellhound was out of stock everywhere so I had to get the (very pretty) Nitro+. I had to upgrade my PSU, too. Improvements are massive.
The problem with hoping your GPU will last is the trend of games becoming far more demanding than they need to be. Focus on optimizations, the story, the artstyle, and player interactivity, godamnit! I don't care for that 10% increase in photorealism, I want my games to be well-polished and fully baked.
I also upgraded my CPU from a 3600 to a 5700x. I actually upgraded my CPU first so was rocking a 5700X 5700 setup for a while...
@@tomhsia4354How are you liking the Nitro+? Is it good?
@@hugoanderkivi It's good. It's cool and quiet, which is expected for such monstrously gargantuan graphics brick.
It also looks absolutely gorgeous, you can connect the LEDs via aRGB header and use it as a simple light strip. I've set mine to a static dim red glow to accentuate the sleek industrial design.
@@tomhsia4354 Cool, I'm torn between this Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7800 XT and the upcoming RTX 4070 Ti Super. I'd prefer to keep my 650W PSU but will upgrade if I have to. Currently using the RX 5600 XT, and it fails to drive my S95C, which I knew would be a problem. Also, RX 5600 XT is limited to HDMI 2.0, so the new GPU would give me significantly better image quality.
Used 3080 for like $400-420 or a 7800 XT? I'm just so burned on AMD GPUs, my first ever used a 280, then I had a Sapphire 390. Awesome cards, no whine, no loud fans, a little hot but the sound is the most important thing for me and I had zero issues. Fast forward to the 5700 XT Challenger by Asrock, it was so damn noisy, so hot, it was so behind when compared to Nvidia's NVENC encoding which was awesome for streaming. I also forgot what AMD's version of Shadowplay was called but I liked how the software looked but it would randomly stop working which was annoying. There were just too many little quirks and I've had Nvidia cards despite their evil, greedy nature. I know AMD is also a corporation and their priority is making money but after the AM4 line of CPUs and crawling back from near bankruptcy, it's hard to not to want to give them business but I just can't seem to do it. Not to mention with Starfield, it seems FSR2 is just inferior to DLSS which is a bummer as well.
Does anyone know if AMD is finally caught up in terms of NVENC encoding and stability on their Shadowplay equivalent? It might sound silly but I absolutely love AMD's reference designs so a part of me just wants that beautiful card but I kind of don't want to mess around with "trialing" GPUs and would love for AMD to just knock it out of the park.
Just buy the brand new stuff and get a full warranty and a free copy of Starfield.
Was Nvidia guy. Going to the amd rx 6700 XT was best decision in awhile. Love amd cards now
yeah I get a ton of crashes with my 7900xtx. While only a couple blue screens in CoD. How come all these amd cards are awesome and mines just not. I have yes done it all, stripped all old drives ddu tools the whole nine yards and still something isnt just right. Hogwarts I don't think has ever crashed but most of my titles at some point, 3 minutes in 3 hours is all random it will simply close the game and dump me to desktop. Sometimes i see it in a slight freeze. 1200wats of top of the line power 7800x3d simply put i should be stomping the competition to death and yet a 4070 12gb ti trades blows with me at 4k and even though I win the fps race they don't crash.........
I just upgraded my 3060 12 gig, which was a good card but not best for like AAA games. Ended up with XFX Radeon RX 7800xt Merc 319 black edition the RDNA 3. I think team green needs a serious price drop, amd seems to be coming for the market and some improvements to software to go with it plus more fsr support with 3.1 to go with it plus frame gen. It was honestly a no brainer mostly a competitive player don’t care about ray tracing, and it was a simple choice between going with a 4070 super 600 or more depending on brand or the 800+ 4070 ti super, or the Merc 319 RX 7800 xt for 500 flat on sale plus free copy of avatar and no taxes in New Hampshire, def was a easy choice! 😅
9:32 that's what I have been looking for to help me decide the 7800 xt over the 4070.
I don't dabble in overclocking whatsoever. Would you still recommend an aftermarket design over the reference design?
im still on a 1080 myself. was hoping to grab a 7900xtx this year, but it isnt going to work out. Might go for a 7800xt as the price/performance is even better than the 7900xtx, but might just wait till next gen/2025 and see what the flagships look like then.
I like to keep my GPU to below 300w. The 4080 is as high as I’d like to go. I tried a partner model of the 7900 xtx and it made my room really hot. That’s why I ended up swapping to an open box 4080.
bought 3070 in jan 2021 wd the same reason from gtx 1060 6gb . wanted to upgrade to 4080 but prices r just insane and there is not a single model which 2 8pins . . all 3080s had 12 pin to 2 8pin connector this 4080 is just 320 watts still they r giving 3 pins😮
@@CaptainScorpio24 the 4080 actually uses much less power than 320 watts in most scenarios. It’s average power draw according to reviews is ~250-280 if I recall correctly. It was a steep upgrade, but I just wanted to grab something that would be able to play everything well for a long time. I think my 4080 will last until the next console generation.
@@sorenvitarelli yes 4080 is best card from power to performance ratio . im waiting for somebody to make a small 4080 gpu wd two 8 pins to 12 pin connector.
That is so frigging stupid. 50W is the same as a frigging lightbulb. This got to be a joke from an Nvidi0t...
@@sorenvitarelli Oh wow... it consume 40W less than an XTX...
/SARCASM
Go take a walk and spare us of your NVDelusions...
The 6800xt was imo the best balanced card last generation. This card follows suit. A bit like the hd 7870 was back what when.
Thank you for your review.
Yeah. Funny thing is I had the 7870 and now got the 7800 XT (had only a Vega in between)
My last build was in 2017 I built intel 8700k gigabyte aura gaming 5, evga gtx770 (2gb vram) superclocked in SLI played overwatch and tf2 a couple times and never turned on my pc again. The cards literally look like that they just came out of the box. Only to find out that they’re dinosaurs now😢😢. At this point I will find someone who wants them for collection aka paper weights in the background if they’re content creating.
"...if you are still rocking something like 1060, what are you doing?!?!"
my man, I'm still rocking gtx 960 :D
I can do you better: I've been rocking a GTX 780 since 2016. I am desperately looking for a good value 1440p card. Unless a 7900 XT goes below $700, the 7800 XT is up my alley.
I think AMD will start to have gaming cornered in the near future. Providing the hardware for both the Xbox and PS5 will encourage developers and engineers to optimize the software better.
I got the 7900 XTX after a 3060ti death resulted in me using Arc A770 16GB for a month. (Only reasonable priced card with decent performance for my workloads I could find that wasn't NVIDIA)
I hope this also is a 5 Year GPU because holy shit I never wanna spend this f*cking much on a god damn compute unit.
Boost control and anti-lag; is AMD building a graphics card or a 2004 Subaru?
400k is well deserved
Finally a review that shows Puget benchmarks for video editing softwares
Great video
i have a 2070 founders edition with a water block. don't game as much so it's stayed but, now there are unlock signatures and bios mods coming and since it runs soo cool and stays at turbo speed always, it's begging for a mild OC at least, seems like a water cooling and bios mods could extend it's life.
How does it perform for you so far? What water block do you use? Can you clue me in to where to find these bios mods and unlock signatures? Sorry for asking so many questions, but I have the exact same card (except "Super"), brand new sealed in box (long story) and I'm finally building a new rig and trying to decide if I should spend 500 plus dollars or stick with what I have. Very grateful for any insight. Thank you! ☮
14:55 Wait why is there an obvious moiré pattern on the AMD GPU? Is this with DLSS/FSR image reconstruction tech enabled or is it native? Super weird behaviour, but would make sense if DLSS is enabled since that pretty much fixes moiré pattern. Frame gen does introduce that weird pattern tho.
is youtube hiding your videos ? i'm subscribed but i didn't see them in my subscription feed until i searched for 7800xt review
Oh, that's not good! I'm glad you found us though ~Editor Autumn
I'm still using an RX580. It's feeling old but still works. The RX7800 XT would be amazing. Just a lot of money.
My 1070 is 6.5 years old... I'll be buying a 4070 soon... I paid $440 in 2017, so $530 (current) or less this year for a similar model level is not overpriced.
Thanks for this video. How can you check if Hyper RX is running when gaming on Linux Mint? Just got a 7800xt and runs fantastic but just curious
6800xt: The next 10 year gpu
Just like the r9 290
Wendell, any idea if AMD ever plans on a "Codec" that helps us folks that edit video? I'm a DaVinci guy myself...
Just purchased one for my next build. Finally letting go of my 1080ti rig
my 7800xt has to be one of the best money spent ever
There is missing one card ? Wanted to see my Strix 4090
Just got a used rx6800 for $325 since it’s dual slot and my SFF case can only fit up to dual slot cards. I undervolted it and it sips about 160w at 2100mhz. 5 year GPU for me, thanks previous owner😅
Great video, I see you have been loosing weight and looking good.
1440p would be the appropriate resolution to test for this card.
Loved your review as not only did you cover the New Cards but also AMDs software which many other reviews either didn't cover or just barely mentioned. I'm sticking with my RX6700XT I got for 1/3 the price of planned RTX3070 & was surprised by performance & just how solid AMDs Software& Drivers are as many say Drivers are AMDs Achilles heal not had a problem started with Win10 upgraded to Win11 smoothly unlike my RTX3060 laptop that needed a driver removal then reinstal also my PC seems to kick out less heat than the laptop with nonscientific hand test.
Many games I use don't need Ray tracing but I beleive it requires more memory than Nvidia is putting on cards probably to force earlier replacement of card & they need to be careful as AMD are no longer neglecting Software & Drivers & Intel hungry for GPU market cash they could find they are next 3DFX.
I've seen RUclips videos on Nvida Drivers having issues with 4k monitors & TVs & sound issues very unNvidia like.
Is it bad that I got a reference card from Sapphire, because I could not find a direct-from-AMD option here in Europe?
Wendell, your face is sometimes quite blurry when the camera does a close up shot.
Amazing video man please keep rx 7800xt videos coming
I bought the 1060 6GB at launch, seeing how no new cards will come in a year it seems, a 7800xt upgrade is coming. I am a 1080p 55 inch tv gamer.
And how long will the 7900 xtx last?
On the wattage, you're right. If the gamers don't have to upgrade their PSU to run the card, then they're good for the most part. As long as my 850 watt seasonic can do the job, I'm happy.
a 850w psu is enough for whichever gpu paired with whatever cpu. Should even handle a 13900ks running at full speed and an rtx 4090 during a power spike
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j the problem is the transient power spikes. I would have needed to upgrade the PSU if I was buying a 3090Ti. Though, if I'm buying one of those the PSU is a small price in comparison.
i mean sure, theoretically possible but very unplausable that your 3090ii/4090 would spike to 500w and 13900ks 300w at the same time, and even then likely the 850w would be enough unless you have lots of other stuff (like a ton of drives). And it's pretty easily preventable too, and shouldn't occur with stable drivers. If you want to overclock these even more, running liquid cooled system and pushing to the extremes then sure, I would recommend 1000w. But for normal usage, 850w is enough.
I also assume you don't have a cpu drawing 250w or even 150w lol@@CreativityNull
Interesting perspective and information thank you.
Just finished the video, the software looks nice for encoding. I think it might be time to try out an AMD card again, it sucks I have no clue where to buy the reference model because the partner cards look so bland to me and I don't want to pay beyond $510-520 or the price just isn't worth it to me.
In our series of minor complaints today: if your camera has autofocus mode that focuses on your face / eyes, please use it. It's pretty common for you to be out of focus. If it doesn't, make sure the next one you get does.
Why not manual focus and a setup with a wide depth of field?
I am still on V64 HBM and most of the games run on 60fps with Chill ON! With RE Village i had to use HBCC Memory Controller to get up to 12GB RAM and then it was fine again with 60 fps
Looking forward to buy the new 8000 series with that new Raytracing thing and Advanced Chiplets. 7000 Series are not that good but you have to start somewhere with Chiplets GPU's. I also tend to look at Next Gen. and with NV and AMD it looks like they will feed us with FSR and DLLS until the End of Days!
Other than being a non xt card when it comes to performance, the 7800xt looks like a great deal. 300 watt power usage aint great though.
It's 250W not 300.
The 6800xt is a 300w card, the 7800xt is more like 250w
GTX 1060 owners aren't looking at $500 replacements when the 1060 6gb was a $250 card new. 6600xt new and a 6700 XT used are more of it's replacement.
Edit: you can even get a 5700 XT for $170 and still destroy your 1060 without feeling like you have to spend double to get your replacement.
picked up a 6950xt for slightly more than a 7800xt would cost, superb deal for anyone looking right now in 2024
Still running my Titan X Maxwell for now, but waiting on my new 7900xtx to be deliverd :)
I am planning to buy new Graphics card and I am in a dilemma...Shall I buy 7900XT instead of 7800XT?....I'd it worth it?....
I kinda started hating nvidia due to being less and less interested in fixing old bugs that for creators are pain in the ass. Glad that 7800 pulls that nice numbers in SD it was the very important thing for me and no one covers almost anything beside gaming with those cards.
amazing job as always!
for 1440p the 7800xt is a 5 year card but not 4k. i got a 6800xt and a 4k monitor and it plays every game at 4k even starfield but its pushing the limits now. waiting for the next gen 5080 or 8900xtxtxtxtxtx really need it for 4k high refresh rate/ ray tracing.
"Midrange powerhouse," what an interesting choice of words.
I'm rockin' a GTX 970 and I am getting the 7800XT
Whats your take on 7900GRE at 620usd ? With linux in mind and hope to use it for next 4-5 years
just got a 7600, probably will not upgrade until I retire, it can play all my favorites