Fully agree with you, Stef, the Giulia is the better car...I too am very objective...the M is exceptionally well engineered and a very daring step for them but for a car that is already 5 years old as its competitor, the Alfa is quite something special to STILL be able to trounce a high-tech car like this. and...you [Stef] are not the only reviewer who has taken this stance. Respect to Alfa...always ;)
I test drove both pretty much back to back and picked the Giulia. After having owned so many German cars in the past (most of which we’re great) I wanted something different. The Giulia was just the better driver’s car for me and I think it has a more timeless look that has & will age better. Each to their own as both these cars are fantastic but for now I’m a happy QV owner!
Both cars are beasts. I acknowledge that the BMW has got the German aura which reflects, obviously, in the sales numbers, but the Alfa is the unicorn here. For me, having a Giulia Quadrifoglio, since 2017, I confirm that sporty way to drive it. It has an amazing platform and an astonishing feeling at the steering wheel. It's more amazing thinking that the Giulia was engineered on 2014-15.
And bmw outsold QV for a reason…. I’ve driven both my brother owned one QV I wasn’t impressed whatsoever, got traded in for g82 🤘💯 monster not to mention the potential bmw has . Alfa is just Alfa 🤷🏻♂️ Facts
I’ve driven the both and the turbo lag is definitely worse in the M3, I’ve actually videoed both. The fake sound through the speakers is awful and overly intrusive, it actually drowns out the flat exhaust. The suspension feels overly firm compared to the QV, the QV rides a fast bumpy road much better and more resolved. Despite it being the same hardware the QV gearbox feels much shaper and actually down changes when you want it to unlike the M3. The carbon paddles feel cheap and unsubstantial compared to the Alfa. I’ve also done a video showing the G80 M3 interior plastics, they are absolutely not flawless interiors despite all the critics banging on about the Alfa quality. My QV is definitely faster after back to back driving. The QV also sounds far superior, like it’s not even close. The steering is much sharper and more feel some on the QV, the bmw has 275 front tyres! No wonder it has good grip up front! Alfa’s week point is most definitely the infotainment and lack of tech, no head up display, no 360 cameras, no led or laser headlights etc. I don’t buy this sort of car for those things but Alfa should really get this sorted out. I still feel the QV feels more special/exotic to be in. Overall the M3 is a good car, but drive a QV with decent tyres and many will prefer the QV
yep, Alfa hasnt got those interior techs too update, but rest of the cars tech is top notch. Like electric brakes, carbon driveshaft etc. there is lots of tech "hided" in the car, but people usually think these infotaiment etc techs. I prefer more those tech which affects to driving.
Very subjective post, but the thing that is not subjective is the fact that the new M3/4 Competition is faster than Alfa in every single metric (on the track, strait line acceleration etc.). How did you come up to the conclusion that the QV is faster?
@@Semendrija123 lol, definetly is not. How did you determined that BMW is faster? because its not tested nowhere properly. I havent seen yet proper comparison. And would like to see such made somewhere else than in Germany or UK (because UK car industry is German). Straight line is maybe if you use launch control and Alfa has not that. And GTAm is much faster than M3 Cojmp or M4 Comp on any metrics.
Great video! The M3 Competition is a fantastic car, but the Giulia QV has a unique design, a better driving experience, and more passion. Alfa wins easily.
@@H2TEN except we are not talking about money, but people that spend 50+ grand to buy a sports sedan. It looks better* than the triangular grilled one. Get over it. *(to most people, in the same way Margot Robbie looks better to most people than the average grandma)
It’s funny! I traded in my BMW because after test driving the Giulia QV I was blown away! The feel, the drive, the acceleration, the continued power, it’s an amazing drive. When you have to come out with a “competition” version it’s like going to an “executive” hotel…not very impressive!
I agree with all that you stated. For me if I’m not attracted to the car, well that’s the end of the road. The QV is still beautiful 5+ years later and is a pure drivers car, forget all the gadgets when you just want to feel the car and it’s emotion, that’s what it’s all about, just my opinion though. Great video 👍
When Stef first stepped on the throttle in the BMW at the very beginning of the video and he didn't smile, i knew the guilia would "win", that passion you get from the alfa can't be replicated
proofs how excellent Giulia was when it came for sale, still after 5 years. I really hope they give one proper facelift to it (the 2020 minor interior update cant be really called as facelift). And if that normal Q isnt enough there is always GTA/m for some lucky ones.
The M3 is STIFF on bad roads. I drove my QV to the dealer to get an M3 Comp and would have bought it but my wife would kill me. The ride is JARRING just like the last series. The QV drives like a Mercedes when you want and becomes a psychopath at the turn of a knob. It is the most joyous car ever. I've owned many Ferraris, a few AMGs, I have three 911's now. The QV is so difficult to explain. You can't get it from a test drive. You have to live with it. One more thing: My QV has been almost perfect in the near 3 years I've owned it. It had one oil leak near the rear of the engine, but the dealer f*cked up the repair resulting in it being out 3 months. I was ready to sell it when I picked it up from service, and that's when I drove over to the BMW dealership to drive the M3. 15 minutes of driving my Alfa all is forgiven. It is that amazing.
Giulia, which was made 7 years ago is a better driver's car. Better steering. Better dynamics. Infinitely better looking. Better sound. Better ride quality. And regarding handling, the M3 only beats the Giulia by like .05 on the track. Wait until they revamp the Alfa. Giulia is still the 🏆!
When BMW released the new 3 series and they said (in code) that they didn't benchmark the Giulia because it was too good ("too track focussed" ha ha). That just shows more than anyone else could say how brilliant the Giorgio platform really is and six or seven years on it's still the best. The M3 is a super-saloon, the Giulia QF is a sports car.
Considering that the BNW M3 G80 is brand new (and it's here in the Competition flavour ) whereas the Giulia Quadrifoglio is a five year old project, well, good job Alfa! Waiting to see how the Quadrifoglio GTA will compare.
we have here this M3 Comp 6, 418 Euros more than Giulia Q (135.408,96 BMW , 128,990.00 Alfa). Thats also some difference. And if you take all those extras in this video wonder how much the difference will be. Base M3 (480 ps) is 131.027,36 Euros, which is closer to Alfa price
Completey agree the F80 is one off my favourite cars but the G80s not for me I have no doubt its a fantastic car. In short I would have a QV over the M3 any day. Keep them coming stef good work
Great review stef. I think it's sad what the M division at BMW has turned into. M cars were once special cars because they came from the Motorsport division like how Porsche GT cars are. Now BMW will slap a M badge on anything. I test drove the new M3 and I felt its was much stiffer then the QV in N mode and the M3 had more road noise. I forgot to check what tires it had on because that does make a difference. I didn't like the M3's instrument cluster but did like the quality of the infotainment system and the sound system over the QV's. These new cars are over loaded with tech that will be outdated in 3 years. Also these cars are becoming too large and heavy. I do own a QV and did the test drive with an open mind and feel that BMW did a good job with the new M3 but it didn't make me want to trade in the QV and made me realize how lucky I am to own one. Remember its your money that you worked hard for so buy what you like.... not what you think will impress other people the most. I learned a long time ago that the newest greatest model is not always the best. Too many people spend money they don't have, to buy things they don't love, to impress people they don't like!
I much prefer the whole package of the new M3 over that of the GQ. I wanna step into the cabin and feel special even before I've started the motor. One winner here for me. Sitting behind the wheel of a proper 'M' car is truly a special thing. Its the benchmark. They always are.
I wanna step out of the cabin and look back at something sexy. And I couldn’t do that with an M3. The M3 interior is much better, though, I must admit.
@@Top_g80comp Insofar as looks, you’re entitled to your own opinion. But I’d argue that BMW outsold Alfa primarily due to brand cache and reliability/serviceability concerns. At the end of the day, I decided to get a QV but can certainly appreciate both brands.
Great video mate, agree the GQ is still dynamically better and has far more feel. The G80 does come alive on track and somehow escape it's weight figures. Hopefully see you soon mate 👊
@@DonViToCRLNE Yes it was 515HP,but its very misleading when you claim 510Hp but in reality you have 550HP.If they claimed 540HP it would not be misleading as is now.
@@queenhelebron5717 yeah some german dudes measured the Giulia with over 530HP, some dutch dudes even more, they are all different. Another one measured the M3 with 518HP. A lot of engines do more HP than claimed, i think because of the different regulations in the countries. A lot of cars have a few HP less in the US than in EU and those who do more HP dont because they use the remaining power.
Totally agree with you. The Alfa Qv is the better drivers car. I just wish people would drive them and see for themselves and not just buy the ugly BMW for its badge.
Its like comparing Oscar winning actresses. I hugely respect Meryl Streep but I have a thing about Charlize Theron. In the same way, I respect the BMW for its engineering and interior quality but I don’t feel any passion for it like I did for my e39 M5 or e92 M3 (less so for my 2017 M2 - which for me showed M Series cars were becoming too generic ie: just another premium German driveway ornament). Conversely my Giulia Quadrifoglio had that something undefinable (something more to do with the heart than the head) that often made me take it out for a drive with no destination in mind, purely for the thrill of driving and for the three years I owned it (totally faultless in that time BTW) I never once parked it without taking a look back. I so wish BMW could recover what they lost in their earlier M cars.
The QV is in another league as far as sound goes. The G80 M3's sound (from the interior) still sounds a bit too synthetic. I prefer a slightly modded E90 335i's sound.
Thank you for the great and honest review! I also agree totally, just wanted to point out one thing: I don’t know how the market in the UK is, but back in Germany you get a new or pre-registered Giulia QV for around 65-68T€. And you will not find right now a new M3 below 88-90T€. That price difference is really not justified and makes the choice for the Alfa even easier! BTW, I got mine 1 month ago - it is a fantastic car!
the new BMW3 comp is much pricier than QV if you take those equipments in this video, base price difference is already over 6000 euros. That normal M3 is more closer to QV price.
@@Anttihii xDrive can be switched to RWD mode, plus if this was your only car in areas where you get a lot of snow then this is much better daily than getting another 4wd vehicle.
Stef. Great Car. But Front is orrible. The M3 four door has good 3/4 back. The M4 with 2 doors has also a orribile back.. so much long. 300 kg heavier of Giulia QV. Giulia burn 5 years ago and still is bit nibble
Another awesome video! I agree with you on this one. QV any day. Be interesting to see what they do for the next gen. maybe Q4 and a much better interior ? M3 is very expensive. For the asking price of a decent spec m3, you can get a M5 comp year old.
We will have to see. The challenge will be if they can keep the price down if they revamp the QV. Look what they did with the GTA M. That’s over 130k lol
@@saidalas7763 lol ı already bought it 2 years ago. I just wanted to see comparation. Have fun with your better Quality BMW choice if you can afford to buy one lol. Take care .
Great review, excellent job as ever @Stef ABtv ! One issue maybe with the position of the mic (just above the mid-dash speaker?) - this horrible synthetic engine noise was just driving me nuts. That alone would be a deal breaker if It is the same in real as it sounds in the video. I got myself a Giulia Veloce last year and test drove the 330i as well, and very similar fake noise was just distracting all the way. I understand that the Giulia has "enhanced" sound too, but that picks up the sample at the air intake, and does not sound like those cheap 12v plugin Aliexpress rubbish from 5 years ago... have BMW bought them all?
I was interested about this video until 0:25 ... :D Still can't beleive german designers found this grill sexy. Giulia still has a better sound, with its crackles and pops. M3 sounds not bad, but feels synthetic compare to the Quadrifoglio. Also i prefer analogue gauges and column mounted aluminium paddles and more feedback on the steeringwheel. But the choice is for everyone. Both car is great, anyway
I'd take the Alfa Romeo. If you truly know cars, this is the only conclusion. The QV is a very special sedan. Most people don't realize what it is, but you obviously do.
Hey Stef absolutely agree the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is the best sports saloon - there have been many versions of the M3 , so they have had time to make it better and better , Alfa has had one shot at it so far and they created a mega sports saloon , imagine if they started at the same time as when BMW launched the first M3!
The real answer of a man who has driven both cars and is not paid by an Alfa or a BMW. And it is absolutely right alfa romeo giulia qv is still the best sports sedan. I hope you get your hands on another giulia gtam.
I think the QV looks awful from the front and only average from any other angle! Great review, but in my opinion the M3/M4 are the better looking cars.
I agree, I'm not a huge fan of the front of the QV, it looks odd with the triangle grill, just imo. However, I love the rest of the car except the boring interior. With a family, I chose the M3 Comp with Xdrive and currently waiting for it to be built. I also had a CT4 Blackwing, which I sold, was way to small for a family. I couldn't even sit in the back seat without tilting my head cause the lack of room. The CT4 BW and QV are both amazing cars and more of a driver's car compared to the G80, but fit the life of a single guy better or no kids yet. The G80 is a perfect family sedan and you can still have all the fun, plus a way better interior.
The M3 weight figures includes a 68kg driver, 7kg suitcase and 90% full fuel tank according to the new EU regulations. Whilst the QV weight figures are based on DIN regulations which only includes a full tank of fuel. So theoretically (on paper) QV is lighter but practically this M3 comp is lighter by 20kg. Most reviewers are missing this, they say the weight is not felt, but the car is actually lighter than claimed by BMW. Compared to the previous M3 comp, the new M3 comp about 44kg heavier.
The ,,new regulations" you mentioned arent new, they have been like that for a while now. An italian car is based on german (Deutsches Institut für Normung) regulations? I think there are some things wrong here. All in one i want to say that the QV is lighter, i dont want to start arguing here.
Too many buttons?? COME ONNNN man. Everyone’s baffled and moaning about the lack of buttons in the new audis and VWs.. now a car has buttons and it’s not good enough? Personally I think BMW interiors are the best ergonomically designed interiors out there. I like the buttons, long live actual buttons
@S Len best ergonomically designed interiors out there.... lol You must be joking. Go test drive a Bentley Continental Gt. I will also take the interior of my Porsche GT3 over this BMW. BMW may be good...but far from best.
@@fskof 😂 I said “personally” so in my opinion, as I haven’t driven your swanky Bentleys and Porches. But for these categories of car and brand BMW are often reported as ergonomically better. By that I mean, buttons and switchgear in right positions for use and reach, options of i-drive and touch screens. At the end of the day the main point was most people are complaining about all this touchscreen and swipe tech wave that has come into a lot of cars. Here is an interior with buttons that for most is quite welcome.
@@Anttihii what?? Buttons for DSC, driving modes, air con, radio... everything that is involved when inside of a car and driving one. You could say the same of touchscreens, only being for phones and iPads.
@@slen6293 you dont need buttons for radio or aircon if you are driving, those buttons are for living rooms. For pure driving experience you basically need steering wheel, pedals and gearbox. Too much hassle to think different setting buttons when driving. For driving pleasure the less the better,
I haven’t driven either but I can see where you’re coming from, I think I’d rather have the Alfa. Also, even if something is better, more refined, more polished it doesn’t mean it’s better or more fun as a driver’s car. When they get too good, there’s nothing left to do. Essentially, there are much better places to put £85k
As a pure daily. I'd probably go for the RS5 sportback. While it may not be the best drivers car, it is without doubt the most accomplished all rounder
Keep in mind the QV ships on track tires (PZero Corsa). I've driven it on normal "max performance" street tires and it's noticeably less impressive. The QV responds noticeably slower to steering inputs on regular tires. That the G80 comes as close to the QV in feel with street tires is praiseworthy.
The 2022 xDrive M3 is where the BMW becomes the ultimate year round daily driver. I live up north and that makes a huge difference for me. Even if the Alfa is a tad lighter with a more nimble front end, the BMW still edges the Alfa out on the track, even in rwd form, why is that? Maybe the stiffer suspension and fatter tires? The quality of the BMW inside and out seals it imo. Alfa seems fun though even with the subpar interior, would love to drive one.
The engine sounds pretty horrible from inside, over synthesised and like an M135i. And that’s from someone who daily’s a Giulia Quad and has a Z3M Coupe for the weekends, now that’s a proper BMW straight six sound!
Giulia QV is such a good looking car, it will present some problems for Alfa to bring in a different iteration, compared to the front end of the BMW that looks like it was designed by an excited orangutan 🦧. The Giulia QV for me, it is virtually impossible to artistically justify the BMW front end even if you like it, QV sounds organic as I can hear a synthetic sound as you rev the BMW. Italian cars evoke emotions and damn the QV does that so elegantly. BMW M3, nada! Bloated kidneys, i supposed. Nice review Stef, you always deliver.
Great video, Stef. From what I can see the G80 has so many components of a great car - it is brutal and clearly great fun to drive - but sadly it is shod with a body that is just a bit "bleh". While Alfa have gone for sophistication and elegance with undertones of power to let you know there's something exciting underneath, the G80 has tattooed it's credentials on its arm: Bulging wheel arches, over-dilated nostrils, a tacky rear diffuser with too many overtones of Honda Civic Type R. Frankly, I find it just a little embarrassing. Too shouty. I would be proud to turn up anywhere in the Alfa QV; I'd probably want to park out of sight in the G80.
I have a Giulia Estrema and I love it but I wish Alfa had a 6 cylinder to compete with the M340i and I wish the Quad came in AWD. My town gets 130” of snow on average annually and we are a two car family so I don’t have the option of a RWD sports car unless we were to add a 3rd car. I got the Giulia over the M340i for its looks, steering and handling, but could not make the same decision with regards to the Quad over the M3. It’s a shame Alfa made such an amazing car and then didn’t provide as many options as the Germans.
The G80 really seems to split opinion. Half of the vids I see say it's better than the Giulia while the other half say it's worse. I suppose I'll have to drive them both.
unfortunately it's something about the geometry of the engine bay and not being able to fit the additional equipment under the bonnet. Stelvio Quadrifoglio for example is slightly bigger, so they fit it. (It's also about 0.3s faster to 60mph than the Giulia Quadrifoglio, as a result.)
Thank you, yeah everyone will have their view and my opinion will be different to others. I think whoever buys the M3 will buy it because they love it and if that’s the case then they bought the right car for them.
Giulia QV owner here, after owing 3 M3s in a row over a 10 year period.The qv is a full blown race car for the road, with the practicalities of a daily sedan, and super model looks. What a car they are. Such a blast to drive. The G80 is the ugliest m car ever built, and the f80 was the worst sounding m car ever built. The e46 and e92 were sublime m cars. I think the e92 is possible the best m car ever, along with the e39 M5.
I totally designee the M3 is way better in all aspects build quality, driving experience and power delivery. If you want: turn off fully the traction control and see what this car can send you if you are the driver
😂😂😂😂. The Alfa grille is literally 100 times more ugly and always has been. I cannot understand how you guys all flip out and piss whine and moan about the G80 grille and then turn around and say you like the Alfa grill. Makes no freaking sense whatsoever. It’s as if we all have different eyes.
@@BrettL250 I don't think I've ever heard a reviewer not mention the ugliness of BMW's new grille language. At the same time, I don't remember a single reviewer not repeatedly mentioning the Giulia's all-around good looks. So there is that. But as a recovering BMW fan whose lived through the Chris Bangle era, I understand the anger.
@@teerexness not true at all. I’ve probably watched a couple hundred videos on this and the only people I’ve noticed that bitch the most are the ones that own the F80. Some men just can’t handle change. Show that new grille to anyone that has no dog in this hunt and they will tell you they think it looks awesome. I realize this bothers you but you’ll get over it I promise. Pills, whiskey and self-help tapes should do the trick. Meanwhile just watch the sales numbers and you will either come on board or be left behind.
@@jeff5798 😂😂😂 total BS. First off if anyone was stupid enough to say that from BMW he’d get fired. Second off I’ve talked to dozens of people about it and no one has said that it was ugly. Not one. I’ve asked random friends and I have asked car people. So nice try. Only 1 in 5!! 😂😂😂😂 The people who don’t like it or at least claim they don’t like it are people who have emotional or financial investments in other cars and they are using the change as a crutch to defend/support their position. It really is that simple. Men are always that way. They do it with cars they do it with their houses, watches, guns or anything of value that differs from what other men have. That’s why so many Alfa owners rushed to this video. They were looking for emotional support for their choice of car. And if you think about it that’s pretty silly. So relax. No one is going to make you buy the new G80. More than likely you wouldn’t of bought it regardless of how it looked. Either because you can’t afford it or you have financial and emotional investments in a different brand car.
I have tried to appreciate and like the Giulia too but I just can’t agree. It has a cheap look to it and interior wise it’s very cheap. Then on to the reliability!!! I have never seen so many lemon titles in my entire life. Literally every other one I see for sale is a lemon
Aside from the subjective driving dynamic of QV favored by the host, Evo's Steve Sutcliffe track test resulted in M3 beating the QV by half a second, which is not insignificant imho. Obviously, the QV is on a dated platform that needs a refresh by Alfa Romeo, which could make a strong comeback should that happen. The question is when?
I watched that test and adult life admitted the Alfa lost time due its Pirelli tyres that only optimally perform when the surface is warm; it was a damp day!
@@nigelfisher3756 and thats just one track, every track suits better for certain cars. Would like to see other comparisons aswell, also BMW Nurburging time would be nice to see.
For sure this car is great. The front is very ugly. I just find german cars specking their cars way to much with gadgets that you wont eveb use and of course, you pay for that. Italians are more to "what you really need". Too much buttons, too much tech etc and all are things to distract you when you are driving so the chance of an accident is higher. This is how I see things. Funny that this m3 can get more expensive than an m8 and the m8 looks much better. In between this and the Alfa... The Alfa with no doubt. Nice review man! Take care
@@StefABtv You are vey welcome buddy. Nice to see your progress in these years I have been following you. You are the youtuber I have been more faithful to. Since your 595!! Keep up the good work man!
Two totally different cars to be honest. I had my Giulia Quadrifoglio for three years and as a four door saloon in my opinion it has no rival (sublime chassis, incredible handling and telepathic steering). I retired last year and ran about in my old MR2 Mk2 for a few months but was told by my wife I needed a 4 seat reliable retirement car so the Yaris seemed like a car lots of retired people bought so I got a GR Yaris. I’ve only had it about a month or so but it is huge fun as a B road blaster (way faster over badly tarmaced twisty roads than the Giulia or pretty much anything else). Unfortunately, that is it’s party piece and as that’s 95% of how I use it I’m more than pleased but for a family/anyone else that needs space and a comfortable ride over a long distance the Giulia is a much better bet.
De todas las berlinas del segmento, me quedo con este Alfa sin pestañear, pero por goleada...asi de simple. En confianza, con este Quadrifoglio me sobra el resto. Je, je, je. Que belleza, lo mires por donde lo mires, que diseño, tanto interior como exterior, arrebatador sin más !!! Me da igual si algunos de sus rivales tienen algo mas de calidad interior. Que ojo... en cualquier caso es para deleitarse con este Quadrifoglio. Es puro cuore, es puro Alfa. Ademas diseño mas fresco e imnovador que su competencia, enamora a primera vista, te roba il cuore !!! Para mi no hay color....Enhorabuena a Alfa Romeo por este pedazo de producto y todo lo que hacen. Ademas record en su segmento, en el infierno verde Aleman, se puede pedir más??!! Buena prueba. Saludos desde Barcelona.
Sooo... from an Objective point of view Stef mentioned more positives for the M3 than he did for the Guilia, making the M3 the better car. However, for some reason Stef still prefers the Quadrifoglio over the M3. He must have Italian ties :)
I think I'm the only only who doesn't like the look of the QV. I mean it's nice, but not the work of art everyone makes it out to be. It is subjective though. It's odd am Italian car maker would manufacturer a car that offsets the European number plate. BMW have somehow managed to integrate it, regardless whether you think it's ugly or not.
It's always been said that your not a proper driver until you have driven an alpha, and to be fair, for a few years that wasn't correct with the types of cars they were coming out with, but with the guilia qv they made that comeback, yes the infotainment and interior is dated now compared to these new cars and they are more firey and scarey in the cold or wet, but that's what true enthusiasts would love about it, owning an alpha is about loving its quirks, but the m3 is still a wonderful precision car, it will do what it's been built for, and be more of a daily and then blast it when you can.
Nice video! I thnik that the Giulia Quadrifoglio is more beautiful/sensual. If you are a good driver you don't need to have M1/M2 button to drive for you. If you are a bad driver of course you can buy for it but I think... Like in football, it's not the shoes that makes the players. But the payers to make the difference :-)
Fully agree with you, Stef, the Giulia is the better car...I too am very objective...the M is exceptionally well engineered and a very daring step for them but for a car that is already 5 years old as its competitor, the Alfa is quite something special to STILL be able to trounce a high-tech car like this. and...you [Stef] are not the only reviewer who has taken this stance.
Respect to Alfa...always
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I test drove both pretty much back to back and picked the Giulia. After having owned so many German cars in the past (most of which we’re great) I wanted something different. The Giulia was just the better driver’s car for me and I think it has a more timeless look that has & will age better. Each to their own as both these cars are fantastic but for now I’m a happy QV owner!
Both cars are beasts. I acknowledge that the BMW has got the German aura which reflects, obviously, in the sales numbers, but the Alfa is the unicorn here. For me, having a Giulia Quadrifoglio, since 2017, I confirm that sporty way to drive it. It has an amazing platform and an astonishing feeling at the steering wheel. It's more amazing thinking that the Giulia was engineered on 2014-15.
And bmw outsold QV for a reason…. I’ve driven both my brother owned one QV I wasn’t impressed whatsoever, got traded in for g82 🤘💯 monster not to mention the potential bmw has . Alfa is just Alfa 🤷🏻♂️
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Having seen the car now in person, I can confirm it's stunning. Particularly in that spec... Great review as always Stef!
Cheers buddy. Great meeting you 🙌
I’ve driven the both and the turbo lag is definitely worse in the M3, I’ve actually videoed both.
The fake sound through the speakers is awful and overly intrusive, it actually drowns out the flat exhaust.
The suspension feels overly firm compared to the QV, the QV rides a fast bumpy road much better and more resolved.
Despite it being the same hardware the QV gearbox feels much shaper and actually down changes when you want it to unlike the M3. The carbon paddles feel cheap and unsubstantial compared to the Alfa.
I’ve also done a video showing the G80 M3 interior plastics, they are absolutely not flawless interiors despite all the critics banging on about the Alfa quality.
My QV is definitely faster after back to back driving.
The QV also sounds far superior, like it’s not even close.
The steering is much sharper and more feel some on the QV, the bmw has 275 front tyres! No wonder it has good grip up front!
Alfa’s week point is most definitely the infotainment and lack of tech, no head up display, no 360 cameras, no led or laser headlights etc. I don’t buy this sort of car for those things but Alfa should really get this sorted out.
I still feel the QV feels more special/exotic to be in.
Overall the M3 is a good car, but drive a QV with decent tyres and many will prefer the QV
yep, Alfa hasnt got those interior techs too update, but rest of the cars tech is top notch. Like electric brakes, carbon driveshaft etc. there is lots of tech "hided" in the car, but people usually think these infotaiment etc techs. I prefer more those tech which affects to driving.
Great insight!
Are the videos on your RUclips?
Very subjective post, but the thing that is not subjective is the fact that the new M3/4 Competition is faster than Alfa in every single metric (on the track, strait line acceleration etc.).
How did you come up to the conclusion that the QV is faster?
@@Semendrija123 lol, definetly is not. How did you determined that BMW is faster? because its not tested nowhere properly. I havent seen yet proper comparison. And would like to see such made somewhere else than in Germany or UK (because UK car industry is German). Straight line is maybe if you use launch control and Alfa has not that. And GTAm is much faster than M3 Cojmp or M4 Comp on any metrics.
Great video!
The M3 Competition is a fantastic car, but the Giulia QV has a unique design, a better driving experience, and more passion.
Alfa wins easily.
wonderfully said mate ;)
Sales numbers ? And why?😂
Alfa QV just has something special about it. It really is sublime and after 2 years of ownership I still make excuses to take it for a spin!
unfortunately it doesn't look as good as the BMW
@@saidalas7763 your opinion. You like bugs bunny too I guess 🤣
@@H2TEN last year
500k 3er sales
15k giulia sales
I guess you like how the multipla looks as well, right?
@@saidalas7763 if I make more than you in a year does that make me better? Just saying…
@@H2TEN except we are not talking about money, but people that spend 50+ grand to buy a sports sedan.
It looks better* than the triangular grilled one. Get over it.
*(to most people, in the same way Margot Robbie looks better to most people than the average grandma)
It’s funny! I traded in my BMW because after test driving the Giulia QV I was blown away! The feel, the drive, the acceleration, the continued power, it’s an amazing drive. When you have to come out with a “competition” version it’s like going to an “executive” hotel…not very impressive!
Crazy , my brother traded in his QV for g82 best decision ever made not to mention bmw power potential 🤘💯
I agree with all that you stated. For me if I’m not attracted to the car, well that’s the end of the road. The QV is still beautiful 5+ years later and is a pure drivers car, forget all the gadgets when you just want to feel the car and it’s emotion, that’s what it’s all about, just my opinion though. Great video 👍
Thanks man
it's not that beautiful, it's not aging well, fanboy.
When Stef first stepped on the throttle in the BMW at the very beginning of the video and he didn't smile, i knew the guilia would "win", that passion you get from the alfa can't be replicated
proofs how excellent Giulia was when it came for sale, still after 5 years. I really hope they give one proper facelift to it (the 2020 minor interior update cant be really called as facelift). And if that normal Q isnt enough there is always GTA/m for some lucky ones.
I prefer the Alfa too
The M3 is STIFF on bad roads. I drove my QV to the dealer to get an M3 Comp and would have bought it but my wife would kill me. The ride is JARRING just like the last series. The QV drives like a Mercedes when you want and becomes a psychopath at the turn of a knob. It is the most joyous car ever. I've owned many Ferraris, a few AMGs, I have three 911's now. The QV is so difficult to explain. You can't get it from a test drive. You have to live with it.
One more thing: My QV has been almost perfect in the near 3 years I've owned it. It had one oil leak near the rear of the engine, but the dealer f*cked up the repair resulting in it being out 3 months. I was ready to sell it when I picked it up from service, and that's when I drove over to the BMW dealership to drive the M3. 15 minutes of driving my Alfa all is forgiven. It is that amazing.
Thank you for sharing your ownership experience. Very helpful!
ALFA. Better styling unique And they have a better shade of green. Nobody looks at BMW's at car meets too. Unless it's old-school.
Giulia, which was made 7 years ago is a better driver's car. Better steering. Better dynamics. Infinitely better looking. Better sound. Better ride quality. And regarding handling, the M3 only beats the Giulia by like .05 on the track. Wait until they revamp the Alfa. Giulia is still the 🏆!
They did a great job on the Giulia when it was released. Still going strong
I would wait other track results than that one which was made in wet. Would also like to see BMWs nurburging time.
Giulia has been for sale Feb 2016, os its not yet 7 years. production started nov 2015
@@Anttihii Are you counting including development?? It's 7 years, sir.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 yes if you count that also is around 7 or more,
When BMW released the new 3 series and they said (in code) that they didn't benchmark the Giulia because it was too good ("too track focussed" ha ha). That just shows more than anyone else could say how brilliant the Giorgio platform really is and six or seven years on it's still the best. The M3 is a super-saloon, the Giulia QF is a sports car.
At last a common sense review. (and the right outcome, but I'm biased as I have a QV) :-)
Considering that the BNW M3 G80 is brand new (and it's here in the Competition flavour ) whereas the Giulia Quadrifoglio is a five year old project, well, good job Alfa! Waiting to see how the Quadrifoglio GTA will compare.
Problem is the GTA M is so expensive and really we will have to wait for the M3 CS to make a proper comparison
we have here this M3 Comp 6, 418 Euros more than Giulia Q (135.408,96 BMW , 128,990.00 Alfa). Thats also some difference. And if you take all those extras in this video wonder how much the difference will be. Base M3 (480 ps) is 131.027,36 Euros, which is closer to Alfa price
@@Anttihii The extras would add another 14000 euros.
Completey agree the F80 is one off my favourite cars but the G80s not for me I have no doubt its a fantastic car. In short I would have a QV over the M3 any day. Keep them coming stef good work
Thank you!
Great review stef. I think it's sad what the M division at BMW has turned into. M cars were once special cars because they came from the Motorsport division like how Porsche GT cars are. Now BMW will slap a M badge on anything.
I test drove the new M3 and I felt its was much stiffer then the QV in N mode and the M3 had more road noise. I forgot to check what tires it had on because that does make a difference. I didn't like the M3's instrument cluster but did like the quality of the infotainment system and the sound system over the QV's.
These new cars are over loaded with tech that will be outdated in 3 years. Also these cars are becoming too large and heavy.
I do own a QV and did the test drive with an open mind and feel that BMW did a good job with the new M3 but it didn't make me want to trade in the QV and made me realize how lucky I am to own one.
Remember its your money that you worked hard for so buy what you like.... not what you think will impress other people the most. I learned a long time ago that the newest greatest model is not always the best.
Too many people spend money they don't have, to buy things they don't love, to impress people they don't like!
Very true mate. Love that last quote!
Ive driven the Julia and Stelvio QV , not impressed at all especially the build quality, but sales numbers prove everything ….BMW 🤘🏻💯
I much prefer the whole package of the new M3 over that of the GQ. I wanna step into the cabin and feel special even before I've started the motor. One winner here for me. Sitting behind the wheel of a proper 'M' car is truly a special thing. Its the benchmark. They always are.
I wanna step out of the cabin and look back at something sexy. And I couldn’t do that with an M3. The M3 interior is much better, though, I must admit.
@@JGA347 Alfas are the most ugly vehicles on the market …. Reason why BMW outsold them and will always be the benchmark
@@Top_g80comp Insofar as looks, you’re entitled to your own opinion. But I’d argue that BMW outsold Alfa primarily due to brand cache and reliability/serviceability concerns. At the end of the day, I decided to get a QV but can certainly appreciate both brands.
@@JGA347 lol, Alfa will never ever sell more cars nor make a better car than BMW ever !!😂
@@Top_g80comp Justin Bieber has sold more albums than Warren Zevon.
I want to hate this M3 but I can’t. It’s a great car. I like the Giulia QV better for all the reasons U mentioned,however.I’ll be keeping my QV!
Great video mate, agree the GQ is still dynamically better and has far more feel. The G80 does come alive on track and somehow escape it's weight figures. Hopefully see you soon mate 👊
Thanks buddy! Yeah need to try this on track to really send it! Defo mate have a great weekend
AutotopNL did dyno and M3 has 503hp and M3 comp has 550hp and 700NM think thats whay weight of the car is not felt much.
@@queenhelebron5717 The V6 of the QV did more than 510HP too on dyno. Most of the cars do a bit more on dynos than claimed from manufacturers.
@@DonViToCRLNE Yes it was 515HP,but its very misleading when you claim 510Hp but in reality you have 550HP.If they claimed 540HP it would not be misleading as is now.
@@queenhelebron5717 yeah some german dudes measured the Giulia with over 530HP, some dutch dudes even more, they are all different. Another one measured the M3 with 518HP. A lot of engines do more HP than claimed, i think because of the different regulations in the countries. A lot of cars have a few HP less in the US than in EU and those who do more HP dont because they use the remaining power.
Totally agree with you. The Alfa Qv is the better drivers car. I just wish people would drive them and see for themselves and not just buy the ugly BMW for its badge.
Its like comparing Oscar winning actresses. I hugely respect Meryl Streep but I have a thing about Charlize Theron.
In the same way, I respect the BMW for its engineering and interior quality but I don’t feel any passion for it like I did for my e39 M5 or e92 M3 (less so for my 2017 M2 - which for me showed M Series cars were becoming too generic ie: just another premium German driveway ornament).
Conversely my Giulia Quadrifoglio had that something undefinable (something more to do with the heart than the head) that often made me take it out for a drive with no destination in mind, purely for the thrill of driving and for the three years I owned it (totally faultless in that time BTW) I never once parked it without taking a look back.
I so wish BMW could recover what they lost in their earlier M cars.
there is no comparison alfa for pure driving pleasure
The QV is in another league as far as sound goes. The G80 M3's sound (from the interior) still sounds a bit too synthetic. I prefer a slightly modded E90 335i's sound.
Agree with you Stef, Alfa looks better and drives better.
Thank you for the great and honest review! I also agree totally, just wanted to point out one thing: I don’t know how the market in the UK is, but back in Germany you get a new or pre-registered Giulia QV for around 65-68T€. And you will not find right now a new M3 below 88-90T€. That price difference is really not justified and makes the choice for the Alfa even easier! BTW, I got mine 1 month ago - it is a fantastic car!
the new BMW3 comp is much pricier than QV if you take those equipments in this video, base price difference is already over 6000 euros. That normal M3 is more closer to QV price.
Thank you!
The biggest weapon with the G80 M3 is optional xDrive, which will destroy all sport sedan sales in snowy regions.
yep, but thats kinda not drivers cars.. ala fwd/4wd Audis..If Alfa wanted that they could easily add that Also , as Stelvio is 4wd.,
@@Anttihii xDrive can be switched to RWD mode, plus if this was your only car in areas where you get a lot of snow then this is much better daily than getting another 4wd vehicle.
@@cthis4786 ok
Stef. Great Car. But Front is orrible. The M3 four door has good 3/4 back. The M4 with 2 doors has also a orribile back.. so much long. 300 kg heavier of Giulia QV. Giulia burn 5 years ago and still is bit nibble
I like the Beemers from grill,especially how the creases on the bonnet line up with the corners of the grill ,it gives a real aggressive look
Good honest review 👍
Buy a used QV, spend $2500 and make 590 crank from a stage 1 tune, lots and lots of fun.. your welcome
Where’s the best place to get this done mate?
Ya I'd like to know as well
@@booniedavillier504 i live in toronto so I went to eurocharged canada
@@mass2689 thank you for the quick response and the info. Will look into it..
Another awesome video! I agree with you on this one. QV any day. Be interesting to see what they do for the next gen. maybe Q4 and a much better interior ? M3 is very expensive. For the asking price of a decent spec m3, you can get a M5 comp year old.
We will have to see. The challenge will be if they can keep the price down if they revamp the QV. Look what they did with the GTA M. That’s over 130k lol
I agree,with everything you said,until this happened...g80 xdrive. Traded in my QV.
Giulia for me 😘👌🏻
just. why.
@@saidalas7763 you will never understand . İf you are asking why .
@@MrMAY-ji8fr so you don't want it for a reason? lmao. So you recognize the BMW is the better car?
Gud.
@@saidalas7763 lol ı already bought it 2 years ago. I just wanted to see comparation. Have fun with your better Quality BMW choice if you can afford to buy one lol. Take care .
Great review, excellent job as ever @Stef ABtv ! One issue maybe with the position of the mic (just above the mid-dash speaker?) - this horrible synthetic engine noise was just driving me nuts. That alone would be a deal breaker if It is the same in real as it sounds in the video. I got myself a Giulia Veloce last year and test drove the 330i as well, and very similar fake noise was just distracting all the way. I understand that the Giulia has "enhanced" sound too, but that picks up the sample at the air intake, and does not sound like those cheap 12v plugin Aliexpress rubbish from 5 years ago... have BMW bought them all?
I was interested about this video until 0:25 ... :D Still can't beleive german designers found this grill sexy.
Giulia still has a better sound, with its crackles and pops. M3 sounds not bad, but feels synthetic compare to the Quadrifoglio.
Also i prefer analogue gauges and column mounted aluminium paddles and more feedback on the steeringwheel. But the choice is for everyone.
Both car is great, anyway
Absolutely stunning. Surprised how much I love this colour!
Mega colour!
Giulia for sure!!
Isn't it interesitng that the M3 looks like its copied styling aspects of the Alfa - who have guessed that would ever happen eh?
I'd take the Alfa Romeo. If you truly know cars, this is the only conclusion. The QV is a very special sedan. Most people don't realize what it is, but you obviously do.
Hey Stef absolutely agree the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is the best sports saloon - there have been many versions of the M3 , so they have had time to make it better and better , Alfa has had one shot at it so far and they created a mega sports saloon , imagine if they started at the same time as when BMW launched the first M3!
Alfa will fail miserably 😂
You are not the only one who thinks the Alfa is the better car. The Alfa is so good BMW copied the
Guilia 's spoiler.
The real answer of a man who has driven both cars and is not paid by an Alfa or a BMW. And it is absolutely right alfa romeo giulia qv is still the best sports sedan. I hope you get your hands on another giulia gtam.
Thanks man, yeah I will be getting a GTA M soon. Also not paid by bmw or alfa all views are my own
ALFA for ever!
BMW = ugly and soulless
Giulia QV = a work of art
tuned sound on interior and ugly grill, no thanks!
I think the QV looks awful from the front and only average from any other angle! Great review, but in my opinion the M3/M4 are the better looking cars.
I agree, I'm not a huge fan of the front of the QV, it looks odd with the triangle grill, just imo. However, I love the rest of the car except the boring interior.
With a family, I chose the M3 Comp with Xdrive and currently waiting for it to be built. I also had a CT4 Blackwing, which I sold, was way to small for a family. I couldn't even sit in the back seat without tilting my head cause the lack of room. The CT4 BW and QV are both amazing cars and more of a driver's car compared to the G80, but fit the life of a single guy better or no kids yet. The G80 is a perfect family sedan and you can still have all the fun, plus a way better interior.
The M3 weight figures includes a 68kg driver, 7kg suitcase and 90% full fuel tank according to the new EU regulations. Whilst the QV weight figures are based on DIN regulations which only includes a full tank of fuel.
So theoretically (on paper) QV is lighter but practically this M3 comp is lighter by 20kg. Most reviewers are missing this, they say the weight is not felt, but the car is actually lighter than claimed by BMW.
Compared to the previous M3 comp, the new M3 comp about 44kg heavier.
The ,,new regulations" you mentioned arent new, they have been like that for a while now. An italian car is based on german (Deutsches Institut für Normung) regulations? I think there are some things wrong here. All in one i want to say that the QV is lighter, i dont want to start arguing here.
I think Alfa is lighter but not much difference
@@Anttihii For the 2020 models Alfas weight is claimed 1695kg (EU). M3 Competition 1855kg (EU). 160kg, thats not a little.
@@DonViToCRLNE I know, but in reality if you weight them the difference isnt that big.
@@Anttihii dont forget that the weights claimed are without options
Too many buttons?? COME ONNNN man. Everyone’s baffled and moaning about the lack of buttons in the new audis and VWs.. now a car has buttons and it’s not good enough?
Personally I think BMW interiors are the best ergonomically designed interiors out there. I like the buttons, long live actual buttons
@S Len best ergonomically designed interiors out there.... lol You must be joking. Go test drive a Bentley Continental Gt. I will also take the interior of my Porsche GT3 over this BMW. BMW may be good...but far from best.
you dont need buttons for driving...buttons are good for remote controller
@@fskof 😂 I said “personally” so in my opinion, as I haven’t driven your swanky Bentleys and Porches. But for these categories of car and brand BMW are often reported as ergonomically better. By that I mean, buttons and switchgear in right positions for use and reach, options of i-drive and touch screens.
At the end of the day the main point was most people are complaining about all this touchscreen and swipe tech wave that has come into a lot of cars. Here is an interior with buttons that for most is quite welcome.
@@Anttihii what?? Buttons for DSC, driving modes, air con, radio... everything that is involved when inside of a car and driving one. You could say the same of touchscreens, only being for phones and iPads.
@@slen6293 you dont need buttons for radio or aircon if you are driving, those buttons are for living rooms. For pure driving experience you basically need steering wheel, pedals and gearbox. Too much hassle to think different setting buttons when driving. For driving pleasure the less the better,
I haven’t driven either but I can see where you’re coming from, I think I’d rather have the Alfa. Also, even if something is better, more refined, more polished it doesn’t mean it’s better or more fun as a driver’s car. When they get too good, there’s nothing left to do. Essentially, there are much better places to put £85k
Yeah both are great cars and alfa nailed it 7 years ago and have not really changed something that works so well
As a pure daily. I'd probably go for the RS5 sportback. While it may not be the best drivers car, it is without doubt the most accomplished all rounder
Good review mate, sums it up well. The G80 is a great car but exterior is not elegant and has less feel than the GQ.
Thank you!
I can't wait for Giulia GTA vs M3 competition
Keep in mind the QV ships on track tires (PZero Corsa). I've driven it on normal "max performance" street tires and it's noticeably less impressive. The QV responds noticeably slower to steering inputs on regular tires. That the G80 comes as close to the QV in feel with street tires is praiseworthy.
How do you like it as a weekend spinner compared to the Abarth Spider?
Love it as a weekender!
I agree 👍🏻 Alfa is beautiful looking car I love her feel and the look it’s art 💋
If you ever experienced the sparco seats in a qv, how would you compare?
Experienced the carbon buckets in the QV. Easier to get in and out of, not heated though. Still good seats though
The 2022 xDrive M3 is where the BMW becomes the ultimate year round daily driver. I live up north and that makes a huge difference for me. Even if the Alfa is a tad lighter with a more nimble front end, the BMW still edges the Alfa out on the track, even in rwd form, why is that? Maybe the stiffer suspension and fatter tires? The quality of the BMW inside and out seals it imo. Alfa seems fun though even with the subpar interior, would love to drive one.
The engine sounds pretty horrible from inside, over synthesised and like an M135i. And that’s from someone who daily’s a Giulia Quad and has a Z3M Coupe for the weekends, now that’s a proper BMW straight six sound!
Giulia QV is such a good looking car, it will present some problems for Alfa to bring in a different iteration, compared to the front end of the BMW that looks like it was designed by an excited orangutan 🦧. The Giulia QV for me, it is virtually impossible to artistically justify the BMW front end even if you like it, QV sounds organic as I can hear a synthetic sound as you rev the BMW. Italian cars evoke emotions and damn the QV does that so elegantly. BMW M3, nada! Bloated kidneys, i supposed. Nice review Stef, you always deliver.
Thanks mate
Giulia has horrible front end , you need a reality check 😂
The front grill of the BMW is soo awful. No chance against the Giulia QV.
£84k ..nuts.In 2004 my new alpina b3 conv cost £40k....in todays money £62k and thats what it should be.
The G80 M3 is a great looking car... for Stevie Wonder’s drunk BLIND cousin
Great video, Stef. From what I can see the G80 has so many components of a great car - it is brutal and clearly great fun to drive - but sadly it is shod with a body that is just a bit "bleh". While Alfa have gone for sophistication and elegance with undertones of power to let you know there's something exciting underneath, the G80 has tattooed it's credentials on its arm: Bulging wheel arches, over-dilated nostrils, a tacky rear diffuser with too many overtones of Honda Civic Type R. Frankly, I find it just a little embarrassing. Too shouty. I would be proud to turn up anywhere in the Alfa QV; I'd probably want to park out of sight in the G80.
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I love Giulia QV.
Interesting that Alfa have not made a "comp pack" for the QV.
GTA?
I have a Giulia Estrema and I love it but I wish Alfa had a 6 cylinder to compete with the M340i and I wish the Quad came in AWD. My town gets 130” of snow on average annually and we are a two car family so I don’t have the option of a RWD sports car unless we were to add a 3rd car. I got the Giulia over the M340i for its looks, steering and handling, but could not make the same decision with regards to the Quad over the M3. It’s a shame Alfa made such an amazing car and then didn’t provide as many options as the Germans.
Giulia .... hands down.
The G80 really seems to split opinion. Half of the vids I see say it's better than the Giulia while the other half say it's worse. I suppose I'll have to drive them both.
Wish Alfa Romeo would offer the Giulia Quadrifolio 🍀 with rear bias All-Wheel Drive! Sadly the BMW M3/M4 is getting too big.
unfortunately it's something about the geometry of the engine bay and not being able to fit the additional equipment under the bonnet. Stelvio Quadrifoglio for example is slightly bigger, so they fit it. (It's also about 0.3s faster to 60mph than the Giulia Quadrifoglio, as a result.)
Alfa Romeo All day long 😍😍😍
Agreed. What were they thinking with that front? Not to mention it's almost 300kg heavier. I'm with you, QV all the way.
Alfa doesn't build the fastest cars, but they do make the most beautiful ones
Is the fastest sedan on the Nürbrugring not fast enough?😂
@@DonViToCRLNE it is, its is :)
Too much hype for me. You expect the M3 to be good, and it is. The QV still has surprises, some good and bad LOL.
Very true on the QV 😂
Did you just say that The BMW engine sounds better than The QV ? And that It feels less turbo charged ? Mmmh… great video though!
Great review and very refreshing to hear that the M3 isn’t perfect... but I’ll still take one over the Alfa 😎
Thank you, yeah everyone will have their view and my opinion will be different to others. I think whoever buys the M3 will buy it because they love it and if that’s the case then they bought the right car for them.
Giulia QV owner here, after owing 3 M3s in a row over a 10 year period.The qv is a full blown race car for the road, with the practicalities of a daily sedan, and super model looks. What a car they are. Such a blast to drive. The G80 is the ugliest m car ever built, and the f80 was the worst sounding m car ever built. The e46 and e92 were sublime m cars. I think the e92 is possible the best m car ever, along with the e39 M5.
I totally designee the M3 is way better in all aspects build quality, driving experience and power delivery. If you want: turn off fully the traction control and see what this car can send you if you are the driver
That ridiculous grille would have me taking shelter in the Alfa Romeo.
😂😂😂😂. The Alfa grille is literally 100 times more ugly and always has been. I cannot understand how you guys all flip out and piss whine and moan about the G80 grille and then turn around and say you like the Alfa grill. Makes no freaking sense whatsoever. It’s as if we all have different eyes.
@@BrettL250 I don't think I've ever heard a reviewer not mention the ugliness of BMW's new grille language. At the same time, I don't remember a single reviewer not repeatedly mentioning the Giulia's all-around good looks. So there is that. But as a recovering BMW fan whose lived through the Chris Bangle era, I understand the anger.
@@teerexness not true at all. I’ve probably watched a couple hundred videos on this and the only people I’ve noticed that bitch the most are the ones that own the F80. Some men just can’t handle change. Show that new grille to anyone that has no dog in this hunt and they will tell you they think it looks awesome. I realize this bothers you but you’ll get over it I promise. Pills, whiskey and self-help tapes should do the trick. Meanwhile just watch the sales numbers and you will either come on board or be left behind.
@@BrettL250 bmw them selves admitted only 1 in 5 people like the new grill
@@jeff5798 😂😂😂 total BS. First off if anyone was stupid enough to say that from BMW he’d get fired. Second off I’ve talked to dozens of people about it and no one has said that it was ugly. Not one. I’ve asked random friends and I have asked car people. So nice try. Only 1 in 5!! 😂😂😂😂 The people who don’t like it or at least claim they don’t like it are people who have emotional or financial investments in other cars and they are using the change as a crutch to defend/support their position. It really is that simple. Men are always that way. They do it with cars they do it with their houses, watches, guns or anything of value that differs from what other men have. That’s why so many Alfa owners rushed to this video. They were looking for emotional support for their choice of car. And if you think about it that’s pretty silly. So relax. No one is going to make you buy the new G80. More than likely you wouldn’t of bought it regardless of how it looked. Either because you can’t afford it or you have financial and emotional investments in a different brand car.
I have tried to appreciate and like the Giulia too but I just can’t agree. It has a cheap look to it and interior wise it’s very cheap. Then on to the reliability!!! I have never seen so many lemon titles in my entire life. Literally every other one I see for sale is a lemon
Lemon?
@@anoniem9518 a lemon is a car that’s had so many problems that couldn’t be fixed that the manufacturer bought it back
I wish the QV came with a stick in the US, otherwise I’d be getting that instead of the G80.
Nicholas, my friend GET the QV instead, BMW has lost the battle...it is now official...you won't regret your choice buddy ;)
The price difference between the cars is big.
But for choosing an F355 GTB, I would have bought an Alfa GQ. I have driven BMWs too. This one simply does not do anything for me.
Aside from the subjective driving dynamic of QV favored by the host, Evo's Steve Sutcliffe track test resulted in M3 beating the QV by half a second, which is not insignificant imho. Obviously, the QV is on a dated platform that needs a refresh by Alfa Romeo, which could make a strong comeback should that happen. The question is when?
I watched that test and adult life admitted the Alfa lost time due its Pirelli tyres that only optimally perform when the surface is warm; it was a damp day!
@@nigelfisher3756 and thats just one track, every track suits better for certain cars. Would like to see other comparisons aswell, also BMW Nurburging time would be nice to see.
For sure this car is great. The front is very ugly. I just find german cars specking their cars way to much with gadgets that you wont eveb use and of course, you pay for that. Italians are more to "what you really need". Too much buttons, too much tech etc and all are things to distract you when you are driving so the chance of an accident is higher. This is how I see things. Funny that this m3 can get more expensive than an m8 and the m8 looks much better.
In between this and the Alfa... The Alfa with no doubt.
Nice review man!
Take care
Thanks man!
@@StefABtv You are vey welcome buddy. Nice to see your progress in these years I have been following you. You are the youtuber I have been more faithful to. Since your 595!!
Keep up the good work man!
Completely agree, man ! The Giulia has even been critisized for the low resolution of its backup camera. How cares about that ?
Imo not enough hype.
For me to.I just buy one,etna red🙂I make only 300km and give to foil,friday will be ready.Cant wait🙂
The QV is just as quick when already at speed
what is better Yaris gr or this ?
Two totally different cars to be honest. I had my Giulia Quadrifoglio for three years and as a four door saloon in my opinion it has no rival (sublime chassis, incredible handling and telepathic steering).
I retired last year and ran about in my old MR2 Mk2 for a few months but was told by my wife I needed a 4 seat reliable retirement car so the Yaris seemed like a car lots of retired people bought so I got a GR Yaris.
I’ve only had it about a month or so but it is huge fun as a B road blaster (way faster over badly tarmaced twisty roads than the Giulia or pretty much anything else). Unfortunately, that is it’s party piece and as that’s 95% of how I use it I’m more than pleased but for a family/anyone else that needs space and a comfortable ride over a long distance the Giulia is a much better bet.
@stefabtv you need to drive my car on proper tyres and mapped 👍
M3 or Giulia?
@@StefABtv Giulia Quadrifoglio mate
De todas las berlinas del segmento, me quedo con este Alfa sin pestañear, pero por goleada...asi de simple. En confianza, con este Quadrifoglio me sobra el resto. Je, je, je. Que belleza, lo mires por donde lo mires, que diseño, tanto interior como exterior, arrebatador sin más !!! Me da igual si algunos de sus rivales tienen algo mas de calidad interior. Que ojo... en cualquier caso es para deleitarse con este Quadrifoglio. Es puro cuore, es puro Alfa. Ademas diseño mas fresco e imnovador que su competencia, enamora a primera vista, te roba il cuore !!! Para mi no hay color....Enhorabuena a Alfa Romeo por este pedazo de producto y todo lo que hacen. Ademas record en su segmento, en el infierno verde Aleman, se puede pedir más??!! Buena prueba. Saludos desde Barcelona.
Sooo... from an Objective point of view Stef mentioned more positives for the M3 than he did for the Guilia, making the M3 the better car. However, for some reason Stef still prefers the Quadrifoglio over the M3.
He must have Italian ties :)
Get a QV and a Celtic Remap like the #quelloverde 🙂 . Power vacuum low down... gone💥 @shanesvp
Haha yep saw that with yours today 😂😂
That is certainly the case. Full boost across the full rev range 😁
Yup done that and the gearbox update on mine. It’s abit epic
I think I'm the only only who doesn't like the look of the QV. I mean it's nice, but not the work of art everyone makes it out to be. It is subjective though.
It's odd am Italian car maker would manufacturer a car that offsets the European number plate.
BMW have somehow managed to integrate it, regardless whether you think it's ugly or not.
M3 for me definitely better looking and better performance !
It's always been said that your not a proper driver until you have driven an alpha, and to be fair, for a few years that wasn't correct with the types of cars they were coming out with, but with the guilia qv they made that comeback, yes the infotainment and interior is dated now compared to these new cars and they are more firey and scarey in the cold or wet, but that's what true enthusiasts would love about it, owning an alpha is about loving its quirks, but the m3 is still a wonderful precision car, it will do what it's been built for, and be more of a daily and then blast it when you can.
Nice video! I thnik that the Giulia Quadrifoglio is more beautiful/sensual. If you are a good driver you don't need to have M1/M2 button to drive for you. If you are a bad driver of course you can buy for it but I think... Like in football, it's not the shoes that makes the players. But the payers to make the difference :-)
why would we flame you man? if you prefer the gulia thats all right. nobody is perfect
Cheers mate.