The thing about buttons, knobs and switches is you can feel them and therefore use them without looking and also hold them when the road has bumps. Touchscreens suck over a bumpy road surface.
1000% this. yeah touch screens are easy to use when you're parked... its when you're driving and have to keep your eyes on the road most of the time that they suck. and you can keep touch screens, just leave the commonly used stuff as buttons and knobs, like hvac and basic audio controls...
Yup! And also, it's easy to fix individual components without a hefty price tag. I wonder how much one of those infotainment systems cost + installation + programming to VIN
Ian is exactly right. I have to take my eyes off the road to look at the touch screen. Knobs you can grab instinctively and keep your eyes on the road. Come on Dodge..
How are these guys so good at everything? This was amazing, a true real world review ! You should do more of these! No bullshit or bollocks pure facts. Great job guys !!
"True real world reviews" don't happen in a garage like this one. What about real-world usability in common situations when you need to make changes to your navigation, climate, or soundtrack, while you're driving?
Moog : demonstrates how easy the infotainment is to use. Me watching : it looks even more unnecessarily complicated and hard to use than I heard it was.
OMFG i thought the same thing.. I still hate it haha. Not only the issue of it being harder to use, but the fact that little sensor may be cheaper than a dial of some sort, but its gonna be marketed as the "future"
I think the controversy about the controls isn’t that it doesn’t work well but that the old system was better and worked better and vw needlessly over engineered and changed something that dident need to be changed
@@robl1541 There's chips in the switches too. Modern cars aren't wired to anything directly anymore. As an example, a modern power window system can involve 3 computers in your car. There's one in the switch that receives you switch press, encodes it, sends it to the body control module, which in turn can trigger a 3rd module that the window is attached to. Anything that happens to that communication bus brings the entire car down. And yes, it has happened. Watch DiagnoseDan's video on a BMW that had a faulty passenger door handle - it brought down the network in the car and the car would not start. Yes, a bad door handle immobilized the whole car. Cars are needlessly complex nowadays.
@Rombat over complicate things then! Why do i need a special set of tools, why does the oil pan looks like a damn maze compared to all the other manufacturer. jeeez!
This is one of the best car reviews I’ve seen period. Please do more of these types of videos. Car reviews with no BS just the facts. The honesty and showing how others are making up issues that don’t really exist. I am just getting to the new videos you’ll post. I have been watching the older videos. Keep up the great work!!
Just got back from a week in a tiguan rental with the same steering wheel - turned the wheel heater on multiple times... If you're letting the wheel move through your stationary hand after a turn it's easy to do.
Yep agreed, it’s horrible to deal with whenever you’re making a big enough turn. I wish they just stuck to buttons for the steering wheel, ruined an otherwise amazing car.
Surely an easy fix would be a software update where you have to press and hold for 3 seconds or triple tap would solve this issue? Either way, it’s an oversight by the ergonomics department.
This. I drove a friends Mk8 GTi for 20ish minutes and turned the heated steering wheel on/off 4 times. I'm sure you'd adapt and be more consious of your thumbs, but yeah all the complaints are justified.
And thats why MCM is my favourite show. Moog just relates to my brutal honesty with no regard for sooks with delicate feelings. Love it. Never change a thing guys
Moog, if you held the wheel exactly as you did and turned it 90 degrees to the left your palm would have been perfectly over the heated steering wheel button. That is how. The auto journos aren't hitting it while driving straight.
I have driven my DSG GOLF R on the dragon and snake here in east tn (you cannot get anymore instances in a single road where your hands would be in this position more) and I have yet to turn on the heated steering wheel.
@@DStead2239 the point to my comment was while driving through 119 turns I have not accidentally turned on the heated steering wheel how would you in normal maneuvering. Thought that was obvious.
Being a big Vdubber even having my channel based around my modified BT GLI this has me soooo jealous! I cant find any mk8 R's near me in PA. 1 a couple hours away marked up to 50,000 :(
EDIT: Just finished the video and I am so HYPED to hear one of my favorite channels are getting one! Hope you can eventually make it a beast like the mk7!
I'm not sure what you've changed but the lighting and camera work on this episode is seriously amazing.. absolutley incredible. looking forward to some next level content coming up!!
Moog, they have justification in calling it harder to use when the screen is slow to react, freezes and you can't see the controls without taking your eyes off the road. When the car is worse than the Mk7.5 in some parts, that's where the problem starts.
I own a 2022 MK8 GTI, it has the latest software and works absolutely fine, no freezing or lag, the non back lit temp and volume control Is also a non issue, I can honestly say I’ve not once thought about it while using the car at night, once you know your way around the menus (24hrs max) it is a total breeze to use, I sold my 2020 M135i xDrive and bought the Mk8 GTI, I have zero regrets about doing so! The Mk8 (in my case a GTI) IS AWSOME! 👌
Everything from the lighting, the cinematography all the way to the punchlines were A+ on this video. Volkswagen should just make this video their commercial and it would attract buyers.
Touch controls might be okay in Australia, but in freezing winters in Canada, it sucks. Especially if I'm diving with gloves, or if I'm trying to warm the car by setting the climate controls, my current Jetta I can spin the temp setting, poke at the defroster, windshield blower, go back out to scrape ice off my windows. It takes about 10 minutes for the car to actually become warm so I'm definitely not taking my gloves off when driving until much later. On the steering wheel, right now I can still change volume with gloves on, next song no problem. I don't have to care about accidental touch when I'm turning the wheel either, I can feel for the buttons on my steering wheel when driving without looking, but with VW's new setup, is it possible to click something as you're driving when you're trying to get the correct button? I don't mind touch controls where it isn't controlling something frequently used or important. But for high use cases and cold climates, it's not fun. Heck sometimes it's cold enough the LCD screen doesn't quite work properly, it might take seconds for it to transition from one display item to another.
@@Christian3522 good to know, I'm surprised that it worked that well with gloves. I have a Mk.6 Jetta which is very similar to Mk.7 golf R control layout. Perhaps the new R isn't all that bad, but the older controls were really well designed, very intuitive and easy to use. The touch isn't as much as a deal breaker as I initially thought, but it is more complicated and less friendly.
@@ronochow I want to check it out myself to really judge how it is but there isn't any in Canada really right now. I work with computers so tech doesn't scare me as well.
I greatly appreciate your opinion. My 2017 Civic doesn’t have a knob, and guess what - it’s fine. I had to learn how to use the touch buttons, and it works fine. I understand how a knob is easier, sure, but touch buttons and new interactions don’t need to be to be spotlighted as why someone shouldn’t buy a car. Nothing is perfect, including the Golf R and my Civic, but overall they are still great cars.
I actually just bought a mk8 r manual two weeks ago. I did it with a ton of worries because 99% of the reviews i have seen talk horror stories about the infotainment system and buttlnless design. Two weeks in I can tell you I love it!. Feels way more modern and ypu get used to in days. I can control any menu with ease standing or on the move. All responsive, clear and easy. Yes you need a couple days to adapt and maybe most reviewers dont have enough time to do it, hence the bad reviews. So glad i got an 8 and didnt wait for the 8.5 for two reasons... manual transmision and actually the infotainment system. Lookig at regular buttons feels like a step backwards, and that new large screen... not needed and seems like a forced aftermaket kit. I am not saying is perfect but by a mile it is a much better system than.reviwers are claming. This review was actually very honest! Oh and vw seem to have fixed the seat issue since it works with mine!!
@@chrissmel94 awe looks like someone's feelings got hurt and made you feel like you needed to say that? Grow up guy. 🍻 yourself an leave me out of your man child tantrum.
I've just bought a mk6 golf tsi gt, it's a 1.4 turbo supercharged engine with 158bhp and i love this car, i love its comfort and the way its drives, ill be getting it remapped upto 200bhp very soon
I like the fact that this is the ONLY review that doesn’t whine endlessly about the sliders. Also glad to know there is someone else who knows how to adjust volume from the steering wheel. I also bought one before watching a bunch of reviews because I liked my 2018 GTI and knew I’d love this one. Starting in Sport mode seems a bit odd, especially as the Nuremberg Ring setting seems bother sportier and more comfortable. My only real complaint is that VW is not mandating that dealers spend an hour showing new owners how everything works. The dealer ship where I bought my 2018 GTI took the time to show me how to use everything. Unfortunately, they had only a black 2024 R, and as I live in Alabama in the US South, I know that I never want to own a black car here again (had a black Civic Si thirty years ago). As a result, I am STILL reading and re-reading the manual to make sure I’ve got all the tech figured out. And the manual isn’t that well-written. But man, when I’m driving this beast in the hills around here (we are at the Southern end of the Appalachian mountains), It. Is. Magic! And that’s coming from a guy with lots of track time in an E36 M3. So glad I bought this, and I hope you enjoy yours as much as I am enjoying mine. Thank you for the knowledge!
I think touch sensors are okay as long as they're responsive. I have 2018 Civic and love it but there's no volume knob and using the screen doesn't always work and is just clunky. It was bad enough that they used a knob for the following models years.
I have a 1986 928 Porsche.. I don't have to worry about touchsceen crap... why do people worry about a touchsceen.. Your driving a car, not a frigging ipad... Car is, steering wheel, loud pedal, and brakes.. Not some stupid touchsceen... I have a gaming tower with G920 wheel and pedals.. if you want to drive like that.. Touchsceens should be Banned...
@@graemejohnson9025 I honestly agree about them being banned. I got the car because I liked the car, the screen wasn't necessarily the selling point for me.
The “dark” low light car review looks amazing. Awesome midnight club vibes. Watched this at 6 in the morning (dark outside) with an ambient lighting tv. Good stuff guys. Appreciate the honesty. Have a good day my dude!
I've fat fingered the heated steering wheel a few times changing the radio 😅 The ESC is set up differently in mine. Must take a look to see if it can be changed for the quicker swipe down setting here.
It won't be long now until you need to subscribe to a paid update service for your car to get stuff like that, and to unlock the menu item that allows your passengers to keep their feets.
All this do it via the touch screen. That's why we bought a VW because they weren't doing it. And now they are. Heated steering wheels are the best feature hands down. Then hands quickly back up on the warm wheel. Loved the review.
This is an impressive piece of Filming and Camerawork. Supergarage lighting, set lighting, and the Beautiful Moog practically dances in and around the Golf. Camera and editing Crew, you nailed this one. I LIKE IT!!!
It's really a pretty good looking car and with a manual being available in the US, I may have to take a look, though the touch screen only interface would almost be a deal breaker. I really dislike them, and feel like they are big distractions. Great review! It will be fun to see what you do with it!
@@ertebelj it fits the character of the car more honestly. Being German and clinical and all. Having a manual in a Golf seems a bit off, maybe if it had a 3.2 VR6 like the R32, but a turbo 4 pot Golf should have a DSG in my opinion.
I love the ending. I guess I'm too old at 57 to understand the car though. Fast cars with so much tech and such an emphasis on luxu... er, comfort, just seem like precious little soft things to me in spite of the numbers. Bleh. I always get tired of them in a bit and go back to something "less" and enjoy it more
Okay, here I thought I was the only nutcase doing a Veloster up. 😂 But K20? 🤢 Dude, so much more potential with swapping to Theta like I am. It's like having an Evo X Mitsi 4B11 with a Hyundai badge. 😎👍 Plus atleast your computers (ECU, TCM, BCM) can still talk to each other.
what the casual observer takes away from this - buying a new Golf R is a polarising experience. also... rate the production quality, choice of angles and use of light. top job.
As to the touchscreen everything in new cars, I think it's not only a bit less convenient and a bit harder to use than physical buttons and knobs. It think it's also potentially a significant danger factor on the roads, as whatever you want to do, you must take your eyes off the road for quite a lot of time to set anything up. With the buttons and knobs you can set lot's of stuff in the car without looking at the dashboard, or only looking at it for a split second. In my personal opinion this should be banned from cars due to safety considerations... I mean, with phones it's already hard to get new drivers to keep their eyes on the road, so now they can't even change the radio station without looking a couple seconds at a screen instead of the road. What's the point of the anti collision auto breaking systems if you then just add more eye-candy and distraction tech for the drivers?
So, are P platers allowed to drive cars with touch screens? As per the rules, they aren't even allowed to have their phone within reach while driving, and they aren't allowed to use a GPS.....so how could they safely operate a vehicle that's controlled by a touch screen? And before people start jumping up and down saying what P platers are going to be driving a Golf R, I'm talking about any new vehicle that has this type of control system.
I just bought mine, Black Style, with Akrapovič exhaust, maaan, I am just giggling non-stop and adrenalin is off the chart 😍it's just hard to imagine beforehand how this car changes the whole attitude in race mode, it's like a different car with a touch of a button, sick 👌and I don't find the buttons too bothersome at all, would recommend🤘
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This is an awesome, honest and well done car review. This is the way. Great job once more! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Love watching you legends. Also loving the classics content, as an FC owner I loved seeing your Rx7 down at the WTA the other weekend Marty and Moogs that 240 looks gorgeous. I'm waiting for the day you pair make an episode and start it with "Here we have our new old 1972 Nissan Hakasuka"
my issue with the lack of tactile buttons in the infotainment centre is that i live in a city that gets to -40 degrees celcius every other day for 5-6 months of the year, and i've seen the way these systems completely freeze up and become unresponsive during those super cold days. i don't want to be fighting with this stuff 50% of the year.
A few years ago I bought a WRX and was considering the GTI at the time. I always thought about what would be next the R or STI. After looking at this review, its no question the R is so far ahead of what Subaru is doing. The latest WRX is a joke, and the no STI is an insult to enthusiasts. Fantastic video :)
Loved the review! Also liked the random camera shots, genuinely fantastic. To answer your question about the "TRON light bar" I quite like it; something about it is cool to me; I preferred the headlights shape/style of the MK7 though.
@@DennisRawet I was thinking increased refinement too! Sometime u see diesel car with thick insulation under the hood. This should have similar effect. If one wanted more noise they have the option to put the cover in the bin.
@@jondonnelly3 yeah, diesels need it for us in Sweden, diesels barley keep warm during winter. At idle they go down to ~70⁰ without extra heater the cabin is barley warm 😂 Volvos even have their front close some curtains below certain temperatures just to keep the engine warm enough. If you live in Australia you probably don't have these issues 😂 Heated seats, Eberspärcher/webasto are standard for our cars, you can't live without them once you had one.
Probably the best review I've seen of this mk8 R. I'm tired of the same complaint over and over again with the infotainment. Every time a new technology, or technological advances are made in any industry, there are complaints of 'this will never work out' ' this is horrible' etc. Those complaints were made about the original iPhone in 2007, and kept being brought up every time new things came out. I'm sure the system works fine, the response seems very fast and the user interface on the screen is nice. Just takes getting used to. I can't wait to get my hands on a mk8 R. Definitely the benchmark.
I like how they had a humorous way of disclosing many of the possible biases as well as conflicts of interest at the beginning before informing the audience that this particular video is not sponsored by the manufacturer. I think the audience would have a lot of respect for that. I know I do.
tactile controls are fine when you're parked... when the car is moving, you want to hold some thing, and THEN WHILE HOLDING IT moving it to the percentage of setting you want , and ALL that without having to look at it tactile control will take an input right away skipping the holding step which sucks if there's literally any grit on the road
I've lived with the US variant of the Golf R since February. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. I haven't randomly hit any steering wheel controls while driving, and you get used to the location of things fairly quickly. Knobs and buttons are still better, of course, but the controls are not deal breakers.
love the car, had a 2 door mk7 R and loved it - the four door mk8 still looks like a poor compromise of function over form in my opinion - also noted the horrible orange peel in the paint, not quite sure what happened to decent factory paint jobs!
The ‘Tron’ Lightbar has to be one of the worst design features in my opinion. I have absolutely no idea why so many companies have jumped on this feature, I just don’t like it! I think the moment Porsche started joining the rear lights on non 911 models other companies started doing it too, then it’s just got out of control with all of these companies doing it with the front lights!
@@grantschmidt2617 Porsche has been utilising the rear light bar since the introduction to it on the first 911 Carrera 4S. It could’ve been used in the design of other models but it just hasn’t until the latest generations! In my opinion I hate the use of it on the front. Porsche do not make a product with the light bar on the front..
It would still be easier to have an actual button marked "launch" that you press and then launch lol 😆 Also VW have left off part of the letter R which actually makes it some new kind of symbol rather than the internationally recognised letter R .
After owning an Audi for 3 years which spent more time up in the air than back on the ground, I won't own anything made by VW again, especially after all the crash test defects they hid from NTSHA to raise their safety scores and rigging millions of diesel engines to make their emissions appear less toxic in tests than they actually were.
When we were going through the mouse plague last year, I had found my removing my engine covers stopped the mice from nesting between the top of the engine, and the engine covers. I would be removing the engine covers if I was concerned about rodents eating the wiring,. I was very lucky with my car, the mice had only partially chewed the foam sleeve of a PCV hose, and didn't touch any of the wiring. The MK8 is a very nice car, only if I could afford to buy one. Congratulations on your purchase Moog.
Thank you! Seeing your run through of the infotainment has me way less worried about the Golf R I have on order (I currently drive a Mk 7.5 GTI). I still don't LIKE that they've taken all the knobs away, but I think I'll adapt.
I think reviewers don’t realize in cold temperature the heated steering wheel will automatically turn on. I just picked up a mk8 R and love it. Personally I like the haptic makes it easy to keep the interior clean, no cracks for dust to get into,
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The cinematography in this episode is absolutely incredible, amazingly done
It's almost as if VW gave them new equipment!
@@ncmartinez_his Proooooof? The only new equipment I see is the R.
The edit was top notch
Lighting is on point
Agreed. Its the first thing I noticed was the great lighting.
The thing about buttons, knobs and switches is you can feel them and therefore use them without looking and also hold them when the road has bumps. Touchscreens suck over a bumpy road surface.
1000% this. yeah touch screens are easy to use when you're parked... its when you're driving and have to keep your eyes on the road most of the time that they suck. and you can keep touch screens, just leave the commonly used stuff as buttons and knobs, like hvac and basic audio controls...
But most of the time, you are not using them, but when you get used to it the issues go away.
Yup! And also, it's easy to fix individual components without a hefty price tag. I wonder how much one of those infotainment systems cost + installation + programming to VIN
The guys who engineer the touchscreens also don't like them but marketing and management want touchscreen, so they have to develop touch screens
Ian is exactly right. I have to take my eyes off the road to look at the touch screen. Knobs you can grab instinctively and keep your eyes on the road. Come on Dodge..
This episode was definitely different... The production quality was next level
the production quality has blown my mind! I haven't sunk my teeth into a review like this since the old top gear days.
Always at the cutting edge these guys
Sounds scripted
@@aidencoombes2562 Of course it's scripted??? I'd like to see you do a 19 minute review and make it sound good without a script.
Please do more of these…. This is exactly what journalism needs!
It needs honesty, experience, and all in all a realistic view point.
How are these guys so good at everything? This was amazing, a true real world review ! You should do more of these! No bullshit or bollocks pure facts. Great job guys !!
"How are these guys so good at everything?"
They are not, you are delusional, seek help quickly
"True real world reviews" don't happen in a garage like this one. What about real-world usability in common situations when you need to make changes to your navigation, climate, or soundtrack, while you're driving?
Moog : demonstrates how easy the infotainment is to use.
Me watching : it looks even more unnecessarily complicated and hard to use than I heard it was.
Yeah digital will ALWAYS be more complicated and "harder" to use than good ol knobs
Hahaha, yep. "It's not hard to put into launch mode" Shows how easy (not really "easy") it is to do it after making it a shortcut 🤣
OMFG i thought the same thing.. I still hate it haha. Not only the issue of it being harder to use, but the fact that little sensor may be cheaper than a dial of some sort, but its gonna be marketed as the "future"
Really it is crap...multiple buttons before you’re able to change the temperature and you have to switch on the radio.
And more expensive. You can only use radio, Bluetooth, back up camera drive assist. Other than that can be remove
I think the controversy about the controls isn’t that it doesn’t work well but that the old system was better and worked better and vw needlessly over engineered and changed something that dident need to be changed
If everything is on the touch screen which is in the car regardless, they don't have to pay for switchgear
@@robl1541 There's chips in the switches too. Modern cars aren't wired to anything directly anymore. As an example, a modern power window system can involve 3 computers in your car. There's one in the switch that receives you switch press, encodes it, sends it to the body control module, which in turn can trigger a 3rd module that the window is attached to.
Anything that happens to that communication bus brings the entire car down. And yes, it has happened. Watch DiagnoseDan's video on a BMW that had a faulty passenger door handle - it brought down the network in the car and the car would not start. Yes, a bad door handle immobilized the whole car.
Cars are needlessly complex nowadays.
@Rombat over complicate things then! Why do i need a special set of tools, why does the oil pan looks like a damn maze compared to all the other manufacturer. jeeez!
I have a mk8 r line and it's currently at vw as the infotainment screen is not working so no heating control or safety systems so mmmmmmmm not perfect
Change and innovation not always a good thing but most probably cheaper and will stop you upgrading the steering wheel.
Instantly blows every other car review channel out of the water. Thanks for giving us exactly what we’re looking for quickly with no filler bs!
Oh thanks man. Very kind.
no filler? he literally climbed a ladder and did a handstand in the bathroom doorway
@@unittwophoto oh no, anyways
Carwow is also pretty good
@@smartlibra2965 it's ok, good light humour but full of npc opinions
This is one of the best car reviews I’ve seen period. Please do more of these types of videos. Car reviews with no BS just the facts. The honesty and showing how others are making up issues that don’t really exist. I am just getting to the new videos you’ll post. I have been watching the older videos. Keep up the great work!!
I wish everyone did reviews like this. This is the best review ever. So honest, so time effective, great cuts/scenes. Absolutely perfect.
So cool to see you guys in this big new studio. And the production value is awesome. This is what you guys always deserved.
That was moogs home
It's literally their new workshop space.
@@spotimpact. Moog's home was at his first Moog factory in Ithaca, New York where that Moog was likely constructed.
@@jimnapier9045 that would explain the 80s era parts used in his construction
Just got back from a week in a tiguan rental with the same steering wheel - turned the wheel heater on multiple times... If you're letting the wheel move through your stationary hand after a turn it's easy to do.
Yep agreed, it’s horrible to deal with whenever you’re making a big enough turn. I wish they just stuck to buttons for the steering wheel, ruined an otherwise amazing car.
Surely an easy fix would be a software update where you have to press and hold for 3 seconds or triple tap would solve this issue? Either way, it’s an oversight by the ergonomics department.
This. I drove a friends Mk8 GTi for 20ish minutes and turned the heated steering wheel on/off 4 times. I'm sure you'd adapt and be more consious of your thumbs, but yeah all the complaints are justified.
Hahaha, exactly. You don't keep the steering wheel stationary
Never let go of the wheel, driving 101.
The engine bay "can you imagine" made me laugh so much. I love how subtle that was!
I've been living under a rock for 20 years. Have had the best I thought there was to offer. Xr5 turbo. Vx senator. Just brought a mk6 golf R. 👌 👏
This is sick, would be cool every so often for Moog and Marty to do there honest reviews on latest car releases. Nice one Moog 🤙
And thats why MCM is my favourite show. Moog just relates to my brutal honesty with no regard for sooks with delicate feelings. Love it. Never change a thing guys
i've been watching for along time boys, seen a lot of gems you all have put out, but this one was something special
Thanks mate
Moog, if you held the wheel exactly as you did and turned it 90 degrees to the left your palm would have been perfectly over the heated steering wheel button. That is how. The auto journos aren't hitting it while driving straight.
He's in defense mode, because he's a fan
I have driven my DSG GOLF R on the dragon and snake here in east tn (you cannot get anymore instances in a single road where your hands would be in this position more) and I have yet to turn on the heated steering wheel.
@@shawncarr9855 you could have your hands in that position more often in just a carpark building🤣
This is a press car that I drove daily for weeks. In the spirited heat of a track drive/drift then maybe. But I did not have an issue with it at all.
@@DStead2239 the point to my comment was while driving through 119 turns I have not accidentally turned on the heated steering wheel how would you in normal maneuvering. Thought that was obvious.
Being a big Vdubber even having my channel based around my modified BT GLI this has me soooo jealous! I cant find any mk8 R's near me in PA. 1 a couple hours away marked up to 50,000 :(
AYE DOOD
@@taginbagin whats up man fancy seeing you here lmao!
EDIT: Just finished the video and I am so HYPED to hear one of my favorite channels are getting one! Hope you can eventually make it a beast like the mk7!
Plain and simply the best car review I have ever seen. I love how blunt Moog is. I wish you'd do more of these!
I love this next generation of MCM. Such motivation watching your progression.
Same
The most honest MK8 Golf R review I've seen on RUclips thus far.
Really liking the visual style of this video, looking good in super garage 🤙
First thing I thought as well.
Production value: over 9000
Everything looks so purdy and concise. And the humor is Maaaad
"Bloopers" at the end were a cherry on top of the entire video. Loved it!
I'm not sure what you've changed but the lighting and camera work on this episode is seriously amazing.. absolutley incredible. looking forward to some next level content coming up!!
Moog, they have justification in calling it harder to use when the screen is slow to react, freezes and you can't see the controls without taking your eyes off the road. When the car is worse than the Mk7.5 in some parts, that's where the problem starts.
I own a 2022 MK8 GTI, it has the latest software and works absolutely fine, no freezing or lag, the non back lit temp and volume control Is also a non issue, I can honestly say I’ve not once thought about it while using the car at night, once you know your way around the menus (24hrs max) it is a total breeze to use, I sold my 2020 M135i xDrive and bought the Mk8 GTI, I have zero regrets about doing so! The Mk8 (in my case a GTI) IS AWSOME! 👌
@@cfbm125 Still a slow outdated system that requires you to take your eyes off the road unlike the Mk7.5.
Really rate the increase in production. Wanna see more reviews like this! Moog is a great host
This is another quality video from the best 4WD Channel in all of the RUclipss.
Love the different style of video
This was awesome. The early GTIs were impressively sporty, golf R is just savage, it’s so camouflage
Everything from the lighting, the cinematography all the way to the punchlines were A+ on this video. Volkswagen should just make this video their commercial and it would attract buyers.
Touch controls might be okay in Australia, but in freezing winters in Canada, it sucks. Especially if I'm diving with gloves, or if I'm trying to warm the car by setting the climate controls, my current Jetta I can spin the temp setting, poke at the defroster, windshield blower, go back out to scrape ice off my windows. It takes about 10 minutes for the car to actually become warm so I'm definitely not taking my gloves off when driving until much later. On the steering wheel, right now I can still change volume with gloves on, next song no problem. I don't have to care about accidental touch when I'm turning the wheel either, I can feel for the buttons on my steering wheel when driving without looking, but with VW's new setup, is it possible to click something as you're driving when you're trying to get the correct button?
I don't mind touch controls where it isn't controlling something frequently used or important. But for high use cases and cold climates, it's not fun. Heck sometimes it's cold enough the LCD screen doesn't quite work properly, it might take seconds for it to transition from one display item to another.
To say nothing of when it's REALLY cold and the displays lag
Shopdap did a video and these buttons work with any gloves btw. Don't need the special touch screen ones for it to work.
@@Christian3522 good to know, I'm surprised that it worked that well with gloves.
I have a Mk.6 Jetta which is very similar to Mk.7 golf R control layout. Perhaps the new R isn't all that bad, but the older controls were really well designed, very intuitive and easy to use.
The touch isn't as much as a deal breaker as I initially thought, but it is more complicated and less friendly.
@@ronochow I want to check it out myself to really judge how it is but there isn't any in Canada really right now. I work with computers so tech doesn't scare me as well.
I greatly appreciate your opinion. My 2017 Civic doesn’t have a knob, and guess what - it’s fine. I had to learn how to use the touch buttons, and it works fine. I understand how a knob is easier, sure, but touch buttons and new interactions don’t need to be to be spotlighted as why someone shouldn’t buy a car. Nothing is perfect, including the Golf R and my Civic, but overall they are still great cars.
I actually just bought a mk8 r manual two weeks ago. I did it with a ton of worries because 99% of the reviews i have seen talk horror stories about the infotainment system and buttlnless design. Two weeks in I can tell you I love it!. Feels way more modern and ypu get used to in days. I can control any menu with ease standing or on the move. All responsive, clear and easy. Yes you need a couple days to adapt and maybe most reviewers dont have enough time to do it, hence the bad reviews.
So glad i got an 8 and didnt wait for the 8.5 for two reasons... manual transmision and actually the infotainment system. Lookig at regular buttons feels like a step backwards, and that new large screen... not needed and seems like a forced aftermaket kit.
I am not saying is perfect but by a mile it is a much better system than.reviwers are claming. This review was actually very honest!
Oh and vw seem to have fixed the seat issue since it works with mine!!
Really loving the lighting and camera work in this video. You've done well setting up the garage for filming.
I love the brutally honest review. We need a series of reviews by Marty and Moog.
I'm not even a big VW fan but this video was great, entertaining, informative and fun to watch.
VW isn't a fan of you either🍻
@@chrissmel94 awe looks like someone's feelings got hurt and made you feel like you needed to say that? Grow up guy.
🍻 yourself an leave me out of your man child tantrum.
I've just bought a mk6 golf tsi gt, it's a 1.4 turbo supercharged engine with 158bhp and i love this car, i love its comfort and the way its drives, ill be getting it remapped upto 200bhp very soon
I like the fact that this is the ONLY review that doesn’t whine endlessly about the sliders. Also glad to know there is someone else who knows how to adjust volume from the steering wheel.
I also bought one before watching a bunch of reviews because I liked my 2018 GTI and knew I’d love this one. Starting in Sport mode seems a bit odd, especially as the Nuremberg Ring setting seems bother sportier and more comfortable.
My only real complaint is that VW is not mandating that dealers spend an hour showing new owners how everything works. The dealer ship where I bought my 2018 GTI took the time to show me how to use everything. Unfortunately, they had only a black 2024 R, and as I live in Alabama in the US South, I know that I never want to own a black car here again (had a black Civic Si thirty years ago).
As a result, I am STILL reading and re-reading the manual to make sure I’ve got all the tech figured out. And the manual isn’t that well-written.
But man, when I’m driving this beast in the hills around here (we are at the Southern end of the Appalachian mountains), It. Is. Magic! And that’s coming from a guy with lots of track time in an E36 M3.
So glad I bought this, and I hope you enjoy yours as much as I am enjoying mine.
Thank you for the knowledge!
I think touch sensors are okay as long as they're responsive. I have 2018 Civic and love it but there's no volume knob and using the screen doesn't always work and is just clunky. It was bad enough that they used a knob for the following models years.
I have a 1986 928 Porsche.. I don't have to worry about touchsceen crap... why do people worry about a touchsceen..
Your driving a car, not a frigging ipad...
Car is, steering wheel, loud pedal, and brakes..
Not some stupid touchsceen... I have a gaming tower with G920 wheel and pedals.. if you want to drive like that..
Touchsceens should be Banned...
@@graemejohnson9025 I honestly agree about them being banned. I got the car because I liked the car, the screen wasn't necessarily the selling point for me.
@@graemejohnson9025 Agreed. I bought a 997.1 911 for a reason - it's the last year before touch screens
The “dark” low light car review looks amazing. Awesome midnight club vibes. Watched this at 6 in the morning (dark outside) with an ambient lighting tv. Good stuff guys.
Appreciate the honesty. Have a good day my dude!
I've fat fingered the heated steering wheel a few times changing the radio 😅
The ESC is set up differently in mine. Must take a look to see if it can be changed for the quicker swipe down setting here.
He has a shortcut made to the ESC menu
It won't be long now until you need to subscribe to a paid update service for your car to get stuff like that, and to unlock the menu item that allows your passengers to keep their feets.
All this do it via the touch screen. That's why we bought a VW because they weren't doing it. And now they are. Heated steering wheels are the best feature hands down. Then hands quickly back up on the warm wheel. Loved the review.
This is an impressive piece of Filming and Camerawork.
Supergarage lighting, set lighting, and the Beautiful Moog practically dances in and around the Golf.
Camera and editing Crew, you nailed this one. I LIKE IT!!!
Last time moog danced on a car it didn't end so well ;-)
It's really a pretty good looking car and with a manual being available in the US, I may have to take a look, though the touch screen only interface would almost be a deal breaker. I really dislike them, and feel like they are big distractions.
Great review! It will be fun to see what you do with it!
Seriously it is soo annoying to use you’ll regret buying the car..Trust me i know.
It’s weird, I’d prefer manual In Any other car than a VAG, the DSG, just fits and works so good
@@ertebelj it fits the character of the car more honestly. Being German and clinical and all. Having a manual in a Golf seems a bit off, maybe if it had a 3.2 VR6 like the R32, but a turbo 4 pot Golf should have a DSG in my opinion.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 highly agree
@@justkiddin1980 no you dont
I love the ending. I guess I'm too old at 57 to understand the car though. Fast cars with so much tech and such an emphasis on luxu... er, comfort, just seem like precious little soft things to me in spite of the numbers. Bleh. I always get tired of them in a bit and go back to something "less" and enjoy it more
wait a minute....did Moog just Rick Rolled us?!? 11:50
The best content MCM has put out in a long.....long time!!!
2:30 a clear example of the common vw owners mindset
Love your channel folks. I'm building a k20 turbo veloster ✌🏼
That's awesome.
Okay, here I thought I was the only nutcase doing a Veloster up. 😂
But K20? 🤢 Dude, so much more potential with swapping to Theta like I am. It's like having an Evo X Mitsi 4B11 with a Hyundai badge. 😎👍 Plus atleast your computers (ECU, TCM, BCM) can still talk to each other.
@@Hairballbauman you must be fun at parties
@@MafiaboysWorld I'm from the UK and any real KDM support is virtually non existent here 😂😂
Besides, 500whp is more than achievable on stock k2x 👀👀
@@MafiaboysWorld also going standalone with a digi dash to skirt all the ecu/tcm hassle
what the casual observer takes away from this - buying a new Golf R is a polarising experience.
also... rate the production quality, choice of angles and use of light. top job.
As to the touchscreen everything in new cars, I think it's not only a bit less convenient and a bit harder to use than physical buttons and knobs. It think it's also potentially a significant danger factor on the roads, as whatever you want to do, you must take your eyes off the road for quite a lot of time to set anything up.
With the buttons and knobs you can set lot's of stuff in the car without looking at the dashboard, or only looking at it for a split second.
In my personal opinion this should be banned from cars due to safety considerations... I mean, with phones it's already hard to get new drivers to keep their eyes on the road, so now they can't even change the radio station without looking a couple seconds at a screen instead of the road.
What's the point of the anti collision auto breaking systems if you then just add more eye-candy and distraction tech for the drivers?
So, are P platers allowed to drive cars with touch screens? As per the rules, they aren't even allowed to have their phone within reach while driving, and they aren't allowed to use a GPS.....so how could they safely operate a vehicle that's controlled by a touch screen?
And before people start jumping up and down saying what P platers are going to be driving a Golf R, I'm talking about any new vehicle that has this type of control system.
Best new car review channel on the planet! 😀
Thanks Blair!
I just bought mine, Black Style, with Akrapovič exhaust, maaan, I am just giggling non-stop and adrenalin is off the chart 😍it's just hard to imagine beforehand how this car changes the whole attitude in race mode, it's like a different car with a touch of a button, sick 👌and I don't find the buttons too bothersome at all, would recommend🤘
This is an awesome, honest and well done car review.
This is the way.
Great job once more!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Love watching you legends. Also loving the classics content, as an FC owner I loved seeing your Rx7 down at the WTA the other weekend Marty and Moogs that 240 looks gorgeous.
I'm waiting for the day you pair make an episode and start it with "Here we have our new old 1972 Nissan Hakasuka"
my issue with the lack of tactile buttons in the infotainment centre is that i live in a city that gets to -40 degrees celcius every other day for 5-6 months of the year, and i've seen the way these systems completely freeze up and become unresponsive during those super cold days. i don't want to be fighting with this stuff 50% of the year.
This guy mods cars and has a full studio with vintage synths?? My new favorite channel
A few years ago I bought a WRX and was considering the GTI at the time. I always thought about what would be next the R or STI. After looking at this review, its no question the R is so far ahead of what Subaru is doing. The latest WRX is a joke, and the no STI is an insult to enthusiasts. Fantastic video :)
I just died laughing watching this 😂😂 the handstand 🤣🤣 you guys are legendary! Keep it up!!!
Loved the review! Also liked the random camera shots, genuinely fantastic. To answer your question about the "TRON light bar" I quite like it; something about it is cool to me; I preferred the headlights shape/style of the MK7 though.
Soft engine cover is for pedestrian safety to help minimise injury when impacting the hood and engine block
probably reduce alot of noise also from the engine
@@DennisRawet I was thinking increased refinement too! Sometime u see diesel car with thick insulation under the hood. This should have similar effect. If one wanted more noise they have the option to put the cover in the bin.
@@jondonnelly3 yeah, diesels need it for us in Sweden, diesels barley keep warm during winter. At idle they go down to ~70⁰ without extra heater the cabin is barley warm 😂
Volvos even have their front close some curtains below certain temperatures just to keep the engine warm enough.
If you live in Australia you probably don't have these issues 😂
Heated seats, Eberspärcher/webasto are standard for our cars, you can't live without them once you had one.
Probably the best review I've seen of this mk8 R. I'm tired of the same complaint over and over again with the infotainment. Every time a new technology, or technological advances are made in any industry, there are complaints of 'this will never work out' ' this is horrible' etc. Those complaints were made about the original iPhone in 2007, and kept being brought up every time new things came out. I'm sure the system works fine, the response seems very fast and the user interface on the screen is nice. Just takes getting used to. I can't wait to get my hands on a mk8 R. Definitely the benchmark.
Keep up the good work. Your comedy is what this world needs. p.s. Send me a Jimny! America hasn't had anything that cool since the Suzuki Samurai.
So good to see how far yous two have come! Been hear with yous from your first vid lol
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Thought this was the best 4x4 Channel on the interballs.. I'm confused here.
The Golf R is a ‘4x4’ hahahaha
Moog tries the Mk8 and realizes he wants his Mk7 back. 😛👍
Loved the Revo mk7 and 100% sure gonna love this aswell
I like how they had a humorous way of disclosing many of the possible biases as well as conflicts of interest at the beginning before informing the audience that this particular video is not sponsored by the manufacturer. I think the audience would have a lot of respect for that. I know I do.
And I still prefer the Mk 2 Golf.
And the mk3 + mk4
tactile controls are fine when you're parked...
when the car is moving, you want to hold some thing, and THEN WHILE HOLDING IT moving it to the percentage of setting you want , and ALL that without having to look at it
tactile control will take an input right away skipping the holding step which sucks if there's literally any grit on the road
The good: It's a GTI
The bad: everything you interact with
The ugly: sunroof will still probably have drainage issues
It's R, not GTi
R is just an AWD GTI with a tune
I've lived with the US variant of the Golf R since February. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. I haven't randomly hit any steering wheel controls while driving, and you get used to the location of things fairly quickly. Knobs and buttons are still better, of course, but the controls are not deal breakers.
the amount of work you guys put into something we can watch for free is incredible!
love the car, had a 2 door mk7 R and loved it - the four door mk8 still looks like a poor compromise of function over form in my opinion - also noted the horrible orange peel in the paint, not quite sure what happened to decent factory paint jobs!
Garbage, soft paint is standard now sadly.
The ‘Tron’ Lightbar has to be one of the worst design features in my opinion. I have absolutely no idea why so many companies have jumped on this feature, I just don’t like it!
I think the moment Porsche started joining the rear lights on non 911 models other companies started doing it too, then it’s just got out of control with all of these companies doing it with the front lights!
It's almost like Porsche and Volkswagen are the same company and feature similar design cues across the range.. 🤦🏼♂️
@@grantschmidt2617 Porsche has been utilising the rear light bar since the introduction to it on the first 911 Carrera 4S. It could’ve been used in the design of other models but it just hasn’t until the latest generations!
In my opinion I hate the use of it on the front. Porsche do not make a product with the light bar on the front..
It would still be easier to have an actual button marked "launch" that you press and then launch lol 😆
Also VW have left off part of the letter R which actually makes it some new kind of symbol rather than the internationally recognised letter R .
😂 😂 😂 Yeah true but for safety reasons
100% my favourite vid you have ever done !!
Holy cow where did this production style come from? The edits, the scenes, the lighting. This vid was refreshingly different.
After owning an Audi for 3 years which spent more time up in the air than back on the ground, I won't own anything made by VW again, especially after all the crash test defects they hid from NTSHA to raise their safety scores and rigging millions of diesel engines to make their emissions appear less toxic in tests than they actually were.
Taking the piss out of car wow 😂
I wonder if this will WOW them.😂
When we were going through the mouse plague last year, I had found my removing my engine covers stopped the mice from nesting between the top of the engine, and the engine covers. I would be removing the engine covers if I was concerned about rodents eating the wiring,.
I was very lucky with my car, the mice had only partially chewed the foam sleeve of a PCV hose, and didn't touch any of the wiring.
The MK8 is a very nice car, only if I could afford to buy one.
Congratulations on your purchase Moog.
Omg the cinematography was great ! Incredible!
I've been watching for years and the production just gets better and better! Well done boys.
I appreciate your alternative take on the much-lamented infotainment. Cheers!
Amputation mode I’m now completely crushed lmfaoooooo
i Had the same amount of golfs but after the Mk 7 R (i had a white one too) I went Bmw M140i And I,m Loving it
The lighting and camera work gives such a surreal vibe. I havent finished watching yet but this would be a great start to a car review segment for MCM
Best 4 wheel drive channel on the internet.
That moment around 17:22 where you get the super garage stripes reflected in the logo... *chefs kiss*
Thank you! Seeing your run through of the infotainment has me way less worried about the Golf R I have on order (I currently drive a Mk 7.5 GTI). I still don't LIKE that they've taken all the knobs away, but I think I'll adapt.
That shop looks so goooood!! The lighting in the shelves and the shadows in the intro looked amazing!
Finally, a journalist that share the same thoughts as me, for the Mk8 golf r. Subscribed! 😁
Best Video on the Internet about the MK8, CRISP.
Legend. If only all car reviews were this fun.
I think reviewers don’t realize in cold temperature the heated steering wheel will automatically turn on. I just picked up a mk8 R and love it. Personally I like the haptic makes it easy to keep the interior clean, no cracks for dust to get into,
My car I was able to disable the convenience seating thing maybe it’s a press car thing idk.
If your buttons are dusty you're doiing something wrong.
Congrats on the purchase Moog! You deserve it
The lighting is spot on. Nice job!
Your studio is absolutely wicked haha especially all the synths.