I am a 1689 Reformed Protestant who is as conservative as it gets, and have actually met him, but I cannot stress enough to avoid this man (and when I say that avoid I mean his teachings/videos) until/unless he repents. Very disturbing, unbiblical ideas. Honestly one of the things that bothered me the most was the “black doctors” comment. The Canadian pastor Jacob Reaume made a very good point; that Webbon will claim certainty over things such as the Nephilim, Greek gods, or conspiracy theories, but pretend that he doesn’t know for sure about the you-know-what committed by Germany during World War II. Pray, and be a Berean.
I sound pretty ill-informed about nearly all aspects of this controversy… I do not follow, nor what is “sad.”. Are you to exegete in a non-ad hominem way what you mean? Specifically what I stated which is not true?
Yeah for me there are so many things I don't like that I can't listen to him, but the one of the bigger things for me as a baptist to hear him, a baptist, talk about how all kids who have christian parents are elect, it was just so weird.
@@iloveamerica64 Correct. Proverbs 22:6 is very important for a parent to remember in our raising up our children for the glory of God. It’s no guarantee that our children will be saved simply because we are. Do we want our children saved? Absolutely. But I can’t give my salvation to either of my children. They both profess faith alone in Christ alone, and I can only trust God as to whether they are genuine. And I can’t imagine how broken John Piper’s heart it. It is a miraculous gift from sovereign God, of where salvation comes from (Jonah 2:9.) Salvation is by grace, not by geography
I stopped listening to Joel when he mentioned that he doesnt allow his wife to read books unless he approves of them first. If my husband didnt allow me to read books he disagrees with then i would not be allowed to read the Bible.
He didn’t say he doesn’t let her read any book he doesn’t agree with, although, as a Christian you certainly should shield your wife from potential dangers, he didn’t want his wife reading books in particular about peadobaptism. Not because he’s so scared that she’ll become a heretic or something, it’s because they’re going to read books like that together so that division isn’t sewn in their family. Imagine if you had a godly husband like that what your life would be like. A god-fearing man who said, “you go ahead and read scripture all day baby, but when it comes to specific doctrines, let me know so we can go through them together and make decisions as a family.”
@@jennykiiskila3127 you’re honestly right. I apologize I’ll exit out the blah blah blah I’m mostly just annoyed that so many people pick this man apart like he’s trying to be deceitful. He literally says exactly what he thinks all the time. But, point taken. You are absolutely right about being rude. We’re all brothers and sisters and this particular person I responded to didn’t make her point rudely.
@@jennykiiskila3127 and for the record I wasn’t trying to be as rude as I was trying to be provocatively humorous. But reading back I can see that it would almost certainly be understood as rude.
@@quinnpeterson2716 My husband and I were both raised Baptist. I fell away from the faith but when Our Lord called me back I converted to Lutheranism, and we Lutheran's baptize infants. Paedo-baptism was something I read about and studied a lot before converting. My husband, although he is agnostic, thinks paedo-baptism is weird and not in scripture. I just couldn't imagine (if my husband ever comes back to the faith) my husband telling me that he doesn't want me reading Luthers small Chatechism, the book of Concord, etc. These things are a part of my daily devotional life. Obviously I'm in a situation where I'm unequally yoked. Not quite the same as a couple who are both in the faith. I think my overall point is just that his wife doesn't quite seem to be allowed to explore theological differences freely. I am very glad and thankful to God that my husband allowed me to not only explore Christianity, but then also different traditions and theological views.
@ I was referring to what you said about the early Church. And you should do some research into what a deaconess actually was. They weren’t just female deacons. They had very limited roles that existed for very specific reasons due to particular cultural norms. Two examples of that would be that people were baptized naked, so deaconesses would baptize women behind a sheet of sorts while the priest, a man, said the baptismal prayers. Another example was that deaconesses would take the Eucharist to sick women because it was inappropriate for a man to be in a house alone with a woman he was not related to. In both circumstances, they were assisting the priest, who was a man.
I so agree with your synopsis of this man. "Haughtiness" seems a good word to describe him. It seems he believes his opinions are so profoundly correct that he has to repeat them at least five different ways. I can't listen to him; nor does there seem to be any Biblical foundation for his Christian Nationalism philosophy. All that said, he does need prayers just like the rest of us.
@@JW-tg1nnThe Reformers and Puritans were “Christian nationalists” and theonomists. Impotent, effeminate, pessimistic evangelicalism is the unprecedented position; theonomy is deeply ingrained in Church history.
Ive waited yrs for ppl to notice. He does impact real ppl. Some r upset for political reasons, but very few know what joel actually believes if u listen long enough its easy to see he adds to scripture. No one cares he adds works or calls for violence until its what they care to hear.
He had two podcasts featuring an ex Orthodox priest and hardly gave the guy an opportunity to speak...just dominating the conversation...giving his own opinion...the poor man had to sit and listen to this guy pontificating.
Women prophesied in church in the first century-that’s where the issue of head coverings arose if I am not mistaken. That would have been public ministry, wouldn’t it?
Okay so I was introduced to this guy through watching “haunted cosmos” (which I love) and I watched one of his right response ministries videos and he was basically throwing a tantrum asking for funding and I just thought it was kinda gross and off putting..
I stopped listening to Webbon about a year ago because I found him harsh and judgemental. Recently I was intrigued to hear him and a guest discuss the subject of Israel but had to go behind the paywall to do so. Immediately after doing that, I saw an article about him and I remembered why I stopped listening to him so am now in the process of cancelling my subscription to Right Response Ministry. Joel seems so gentle and soft spoken, but his entire demeanour oozes pride and control. I now see that he controls every aspect of his family life and doesn’t allow his wife to read any books unless he approves of them. He also doesn’t believe women should vote so obviously, he thinks Allie Stuckey should be at home either in the kitchen or changing diapers.
Whenever he said that about not allowing his wife to read a certain book about infant baptism...my jaw hit the floor! Haven't listened to him since. My husband is not a believer and comes from a Baptist background. I come from a Baptist background as well but am now a Lutheran, and we baptize infants. If my husband ever became a believer again and told me to stop reading Lutheran books...I think we'd have some problems. I'm glad I was able to explore different theological views and church history, unlike Joel's wife! In fact, if my husband wouldn't have allowed me to read books he disagreed with, I wouldn't be a Christian or be allowed a Bible in the house!
@@lyssadobbins7209 that’s the point. There would be major problems if you guys disagreed. That’s why you’re husband is a sinful man, not only for not believing in Christ, but for not taking the role as the unifying head of your family. You just made yourself a perfect example of why what Joel did was wise lol 😂
I want to add, another woman public figure I have more of a red flag about is phylicia masonheimer. Because her content is specifically teaching theology. And while she isnt claiming to pastor a church... I still question if its the right position for her or any woman in a large public way. And again, I would never encourgae my daughters that direction. She also has influenced many towards the lord and you can easily see truly has a heart for God. I dont align with some of her theologocal beliefs. But she does do an excellet job of teaching and is creative and disciplined. one thing I didnt appreciate was the role reversal that happens while we watch her on IG doing all this public theology teaching work while her husband cooks dinners and gradually takes over more and more of the household tasks so she can spend more time doing her work. Again, im not in their actual life. Im not god. Maybe inside their life its actually ordered really well. But phylicia masonhiemer I stopped listening to a while ago because I didnt agree with her image if you will as a theological teacher on the internet. But I still respect her. But I still listen to ABS and CO. Not sure what eould happen if they started doing a strictly theological teaching podcast though.
Webbon is a liar out foe power. What minister of God runs an alt right chat room directing attacks against brothers. His latest opinion is mockery is biblical/ it's not. He called for anons to force people off Twitter. He claimed Tobias lied/ he didn't. you can listen to the zoom call put out by Tobias. He is using every technique of the alt right vs 2016 including their vernacular.
I don't even know how to comment about Allie Beth stuckey... But I'm going to try... I enjoy her podcast and admire her as a woman. And I know she has influenced many Christian women etc. I personally though don't think women should be so much in the political public sphere and I'm always weary of women who are doing a lot of public teaching/speaking etc. But I'm not God or Allie Beths husband. I also have the same opinion about Candace Owens. But I also love to listen to Candace Owens podcast to and have much respect for the both of them. I just watched Candace interview her husband and Candace is so feminine and soft around her husband and now her husband manages her podcast. So God put her husband above her in her podcast work anyhow. Allie also works with her husband I think. All this being said. My first opinion is I don't think women should be doing huge political public podcasts and I wouldnt encourage this in my own daughters. This being said. It's just my opinion. Biblically, I think what I could stand on is, is the woman's husband supportive of the woman being a public figure? Is the public figure work taking away from her duties as mother and wife? Is it making her into a feminist girl boss? If yes, then the woman probably should just be at home. Of course neither Allie or Candace are claiming to be pastors or be teaching anyone theology. So I guess what I'm saying is. I walk the line where I listen to these women. I think their content is great. But I would not encourage my own daughters towards such a direction for many reasons. And am of the general opinion women should not take up these positions. But I don't think I could say that biblically a woman should not do so. I'm not sure if Joel was making a biblical argument or not or just stating an opinion. I think there are biblical arguments to be made but they have more to do with the womans headship being maintained as being with her husband instead of herself or another boss, and her husband being totally supportive and in approval of her doing the work. (Such that she isn't doing it against his wishes). And that she is also able to manage her household in whatever capacity we can say she is biblically bound to, and in how her husband might see that being lived out. These are important considerations when women are in the public sphere: Does the woman's church elders approve of her public figure work etc alongside of her husband? (Rosario Butterfield is a good example of this who has cited that her session (elders) forbade her from doing any more collabs with gospel coalition as the reason why she stopped doing interviews or collabs eith them . She said her session told her not to do them anymore becusee they didnt like the direction of where GC was going and moreso they wanted to protect her from whatever stress etc might come from those. She has also cited that she goes to her session for advice and clarity before she begins to write a book that would be released publically, the session reads her manuscript and oks kt etc... so she does this with not just her husband who is the head pastor of the church but with the body of church elders whom are shepherding her and in authority over her as well ) For most women, they wouldn't be able to resist the temptations and they don't have the discipline to do all of that well without the house suffering. Women are generally more sensitive and susceptible to the things that come with public person hood such as getting lost in the chaos of the peanut gallery and everyone else's opinions of you and backlash , or pride or getting too wrapped up in ones image etc. All this being said, back to Joel webbon... I think all pastors should be scrutinized by their peers especially if they are publicly doing podcasts. Does Joel have any elders to whom he is accountable? I know in our church our pastors have two or three levels of oversight above them just from our denominations structure. And this includes heavy scrutinization and questioning of their character, lives, theological beliefs etc. So thank you for adding to the necessary criticism and sharpening. may Joel webbon hear and understand.
You sound like a Joel webbon yourself tbh,you obviously agree with him more than you want to admit but for some reason you wanna appear somewhat morally superior, like “I’m not as terrible as joel but did you ask for elder approval before you choose a career as a woman? like dude! get lost , no one cares what elders think about women’s careers, this is not something any woman in the real world even considers or should consider 😂 why would anyone even want that kind of power? To approve or disapprove of someone’s career ? Like no miss, I don’t think law is good, have you tried nursing ? It’s more feminine 😂😂😂😂😂😂 lord help us from all
@@toolegittoquit_001 No, bearing a raising children is the most important but what about when the children are raised and have all left home? Then what may a woman do? The last of my children left home 6 years ago, I still have lots of things i want to do.
I am a 1689 Reformed Protestant who is as conservative as it gets, and have actually met him, but I cannot stress enough to avoid this man (and when I say that avoid I mean his teachings/videos) until/unless he repents. Very disturbing, unbiblical ideas. Honestly one of the things that bothered me the most was the “black doctors” comment.
The Canadian pastor Jacob Reaume made a very good point; that Webbon will claim certainty over things such as the Nephilim, Greek gods, or conspiracy theories, but pretend that he doesn’t know for sure about the you-know-what committed by Germany during World War II.
Pray, and be a Berean.
You sound particularly ill-informed about nearly all the aspects of this controversy
pretty sad
@toolegittoquit_001 you are a fanboy.
I sound pretty ill-informed about nearly all aspects of this controversy…
I do not follow, nor what is “sad.”.
Are you to exegete in a non-ad hominem way what you mean? Specifically what I stated which is not true?
Yeah for me there are so many things I don't like that I can't listen to him, but the one of the bigger things for me as a baptist to hear him, a baptist, talk about how all kids who have christian parents are elect, it was just so weird.
@@iloveamerica64
Correct. Proverbs 22:6 is very important for a parent to remember in our raising up our children for the glory of God. It’s no guarantee that our children will be saved simply because we are. Do we want our children saved? Absolutely. But I can’t give my salvation to either of my children. They both profess faith alone in Christ alone, and I can only trust God as to whether they are genuine. And I can’t imagine how broken John Piper’s heart it. It is a miraculous gift from sovereign God, of where salvation comes from (Jonah 2:9.) Salvation is by grace, not by geography
I stopped listening to Joel when he mentioned that he doesnt allow his wife to read books unless he approves of them first.
If my husband didnt allow me to read books he disagrees with then i would not be allowed to read the Bible.
He didn’t say he doesn’t let her read any book he doesn’t agree with, although, as a Christian you certainly should shield your wife from potential dangers, he didn’t want his wife reading books in particular about peadobaptism. Not because he’s so scared that she’ll become a heretic or something, it’s because they’re going to read books like that together so that division isn’t sewn in their family. Imagine if you had a godly husband like that what your life would be like. A god-fearing man who said, “you go ahead and read scripture all day baby, but when it comes to specific doctrines, let me know so we can go through them together and make decisions as a family.”
Your communication of this point would have been much more effective if you weren't so rude about it.
@@jennykiiskila3127 you’re honestly right. I apologize I’ll exit out the blah blah blah I’m mostly just annoyed that so many people pick this man apart like he’s trying to be deceitful. He literally says exactly what he thinks all the time. But, point taken. You are absolutely right about being rude. We’re all brothers and sisters and this particular person I responded to didn’t make her point rudely.
@@jennykiiskila3127 and for the record I wasn’t trying to be as rude as I was trying to be provocatively humorous. But reading back I can see that it would almost certainly be understood as rude.
@@quinnpeterson2716 My husband and I were both raised Baptist. I fell away from the faith but when Our Lord called me back I converted to Lutheranism, and we Lutheran's baptize infants.
Paedo-baptism was something I read about and studied a lot before converting. My husband, although he is agnostic, thinks paedo-baptism is weird and not in scripture.
I just couldn't imagine (if my husband ever comes back to the faith) my husband telling me that he doesn't want me reading Luthers small Chatechism, the book of Concord, etc. These things are a part of my daily devotional life.
Obviously I'm in a situation where I'm unequally yoked. Not quite the same as a couple who are both in the faith.
I think my overall point is just that his wife doesn't quite seem to be allowed to explore theological differences freely. I am very glad and thankful to God that my husband allowed me to not only explore Christianity, but then also different traditions and theological views.
Thank you. There are not enough Christians calling this man out.
Agreed.
Forgive me, but what women were given positions of authority in the Church?
@@bradleyperry1735 1. There were deaconesses. 2. Having a podcast isn’t holding a position of authority in a church.
@ I was referring to what you said about the early Church. And you should do some research into what a deaconess actually was. They weren’t just female deacons. They had very limited roles that existed for very specific reasons due to particular cultural norms. Two examples of that would be that people were baptized naked, so deaconesses would baptize women behind a sheet of sorts while the priest, a man, said the baptismal prayers. Another example was that deaconesses would take the Eucharist to sick women because it was inappropriate for a man to be in a house alone with a woman he was not related to. In both circumstances, they were assisting the priest, who was a man.
@@bradleyperry1735 yeah I never said women had authoritative roles like men in the church. Not now or in my video. I’m aware of what a deaconess is.
Having a podcast is not having authority in the church. Also, you clearly didn't watch the video.
@ It seems very much like you do not. And you definitely used that verbiage in the video. Which is why I made the comment initially.
I so agree with your synopsis of this man. "Haughtiness" seems a good word to describe him. It seems he believes his opinions are so profoundly correct that he has to repeat them at least five different ways. I can't listen to him; nor does there seem to be any Biblical foundation for his Christian Nationalism philosophy. All that said, he does need prayers just like the rest of us.
Truth.
@@JW-tg1nnThe Reformers and Puritans were “Christian nationalists” and theonomists. Impotent, effeminate, pessimistic evangelicalism is the unprecedented position; theonomy is deeply ingrained in Church history.
@matthewdyer2926 No they weren't.
@@JW-tg1nn Yes, they were. Read a book or two. Start with Rutherford’s Lex Rex. Then perhaps you won’t embarrass yourself again.
Ive waited yrs for ppl to notice. He does impact real ppl. Some r upset for political reasons, but very few know what joel actually believes if u listen long enough its easy to see he adds to scripture. No one cares he adds works or calls for violence until its what they care to hear.
I like a lot of what Joel Webbon has said but he has too much fondness for controversy. Please pray for the Lord to increase his wisdom.
What has he said that's any value?
So few people want to truly live biblically, it's heartbreaking, thanks for speaking out :) Praise the Lord!
This video just compelled me subscribe to your channel. Your commentary is spot on regarding this issue.
He had two podcasts featuring an ex Orthodox priest and hardly gave the guy an opportunity to speak...just dominating the conversation...giving his own opinion...the poor man had to sit and listen to this guy pontificating.
Women prophesied in church in the first century-that’s where the issue of head coverings arose if I am not mistaken.
That would have been public ministry, wouldn’t it?
Could you at least share what Joel said on this topic, so you understand the whole story? Assume the best not the worst.
-Blessings
With webbon, one can usually assume the worst.
To me, he's frightening.
Did Joel say that women can’t speak in public? I think you just bore false witness against your brother.
Id bet majority of ppl u see on screen with joel he paid.
Owen Strachan ? You outed yourself.
And comparing anyone to Driscoll is embarrassingly naïve.
Okay so I was introduced to this guy through watching “haunted cosmos” (which I love) and I watched one of his right response ministries videos and he was basically throwing a tantrum asking for funding and I just thought it was kinda gross and off putting..
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I stopped listening to Webbon about a year ago because I found him harsh and judgemental. Recently I was intrigued to hear him and a guest discuss the subject of Israel but had to go behind the paywall to do so. Immediately after doing that, I saw an article about him and I remembered why I stopped listening to him so am now in the process of cancelling my subscription to Right Response Ministry. Joel seems so gentle and soft spoken, but his entire demeanour oozes pride and control. I now see that he controls every aspect of his family life and doesn’t allow his wife to read any books unless he approves of them. He also doesn’t believe women should vote so obviously, he thinks Allie Stuckey should be at home either in the kitchen or changing diapers.
Whenever he said that about not allowing his wife to read a certain book about infant baptism...my jaw hit the floor! Haven't listened to him since.
My husband is not a believer and comes from a Baptist background. I come from a Baptist background as well but am now a Lutheran, and we baptize infants. If my husband ever became a believer again and told me to stop reading Lutheran books...I think we'd have some problems. I'm glad I was able to explore different theological views and church history, unlike Joel's wife!
In fact, if my husband wouldn't have allowed me to read books he disagreed with, I wouldn't be a Christian or be allowed a Bible in the house!
@@lyssadobbins7209 that’s the point. There would be major problems if you guys disagreed. That’s why you’re husband is a sinful man, not only for not believing in Christ, but for not taking the role as the unifying head of your family. You just made yourself a perfect example of why what Joel did was wise lol 😂
His wife can make sandwiches two
Do you understand and know what the Early Church taught?
I want to add, another woman public figure I have more of a red flag about is phylicia masonheimer. Because her content is specifically teaching theology. And while she isnt claiming to pastor a church... I still question if its the right position for her or any woman in a large public way. And again, I would never encourgae my daughters that direction.
She also has influenced many towards the lord and you can easily see truly has a heart for God.
I dont align with some of her theologocal beliefs. But she does do an excellet job of teaching and is creative and disciplined.
one thing I didnt appreciate was the role reversal that happens while we watch her on IG doing all this public theology teaching work while her husband cooks dinners and gradually takes over more and more of the household tasks so she can spend more time doing her work.
Again, im not in their actual life. Im not god. Maybe inside their life its actually ordered really well.
But phylicia masonhiemer I stopped listening to a while ago because I didnt agree with her image if you will as a theological teacher on the internet.
But I still respect her.
But I still listen to ABS and CO. Not sure what eould happen if they started doing a strictly theological teaching podcast though.
If Candace Owens started talking about theology, we'd be in trouble. He knowledge in the area is pretty limited.
Don't be atupid. Joel acknowledged this and apologized for it. Stop the slander and show respect.
Webbon is a liar out foe power. What minister of God runs an alt right chat room directing attacks against brothers. His latest opinion is mockery is biblical/ it's not. He called for anons to force people off Twitter. He claimed Tobias lied/ he didn't. you can listen to the zoom call put out by Tobias. He is using every technique of the alt right vs 2016 including their vernacular.
You are showing the fruit of Joel Webbon's ministry.
@JW-tg1nn you show ignorance, sinful attitude and stupid behavior. Repent and live.
@@cesarchavez9897more of that Webbon fruit. Are you sure you're not in a cult?
Where did he apologize? Do you have a link or time stamp? I'd love to hear what he had to say
Booooo
Crazy world, lotta smells
I don't even know how to comment about Allie Beth stuckey... But I'm going to try... I enjoy her podcast and admire her as a woman. And I know she has influenced many Christian women etc. I personally though don't think women should be so much in the political public sphere and I'm always weary of women who are doing a lot of public teaching/speaking etc. But I'm not God or Allie Beths husband. I also have the same opinion about Candace Owens. But I also love to listen to Candace Owens podcast to and have much respect for the both of them. I just watched Candace interview her husband and Candace is so feminine and soft around her husband and now her husband manages her podcast. So God put her husband above her in her podcast work anyhow. Allie also works with her husband I think. All this being said. My first opinion is I don't think women should be doing huge political public podcasts and I wouldnt encourage this in my own daughters. This being said. It's just my opinion.
Biblically, I think what I could stand on is, is the woman's husband supportive of the woman being a public figure? Is the public figure work taking away from her duties as mother and wife? Is it making her into a feminist girl boss? If yes, then the woman probably should just be at home.
Of course neither Allie or Candace are claiming to be pastors or be teaching anyone theology.
So I guess what I'm saying is. I walk the line where I listen to these women. I think their content is great. But I would not encourage my own daughters towards such a direction for many reasons. And am of the general opinion women should not take up these positions. But I don't think I could say that biblically a woman should not do so. I'm not sure if Joel was making a biblical argument or not or just stating an opinion.
I think there are biblical arguments to be made but they have more to do with the womans headship being maintained as being with her husband instead of herself or another boss, and her husband being totally supportive and in approval of her doing the work. (Such that she isn't doing it against his wishes). And that she is also able to manage her household in whatever capacity we can say she is biblically bound to, and in how her husband might see that being lived out.
These are important considerations when women are in the public sphere:
Does the woman's church elders approve of her public figure work etc alongside of her husband? (Rosario Butterfield is a good example of this who has cited that her session (elders) forbade her from doing any more collabs with gospel coalition as the reason why she stopped doing interviews or collabs eith them . She said her session told her not to do them anymore becusee they didnt like the direction of where GC was going and moreso they wanted to protect her from whatever stress etc might come from those. She has also cited that she goes to her session for advice and clarity before she begins to write a book that would be released publically, the session reads her manuscript and oks kt etc... so she does this with not just her husband who is the head pastor of the church but with the body of church elders whom are shepherding her and in authority over her as well )
For most women, they wouldn't be able to resist the temptations and they don't have the discipline to do all of that well without the house suffering.
Women are generally more sensitive and susceptible to the things that come with public person hood such as getting lost in the chaos of the peanut gallery and everyone else's opinions of you and backlash , or pride or getting too wrapped up in ones image etc.
All this being said, back to Joel webbon... I think all pastors should be scrutinized by their peers especially if they are publicly doing podcasts. Does Joel have any elders to whom he is accountable? I know in our church our pastors have two or three levels of oversight above them just from our denominations structure. And this includes heavy scrutinization and questioning of their character, lives, theological beliefs etc.
So thank you for adding to the necessary criticism and sharpening. may Joel webbon hear and understand.
You sound like a Joel webbon yourself tbh,you obviously agree with him more than you want to admit but for some reason you wanna appear somewhat morally superior, like “I’m not as terrible as joel but did you ask for elder approval before you choose a career as a woman? like dude! get lost , no one cares what elders think about women’s careers, this is not something any woman in the real world even considers or should consider 😂 why would anyone even want that kind of power? To approve or disapprove of someone’s career ? Like no miss, I don’t think law is good, have you tried nursing ? It’s more feminine 😂😂😂😂😂😂 lord help us from all
@@LaurenSheehan yikes. Candace owens?
Is there a more important role for a woman than to bear and raise children ?
I won't wait ....
@@toolegittoquit_001 whatever God calls her too, which is different from woman to woman.
@@toolegittoquit_001 No, bearing a raising children is the most important but what about when the children are raised and have all left home? Then what may a woman do? The last of my children left home 6 years ago, I still have lots of things i want to do.