It’s sad to see all the comments about these pilots being bad when this is the definition of a good pilot. They recognized that there was a problem and did the best and safest thing possible and did a go around. There are plenty of videos out there on RUclips that shows a bad pilot that will try to force the plane down and bounces like 5 more times and then breaks a nose gear.
The problem as well if they bounce and don't do a go around is they can end up flipping. It has happened more than once. With this pilot, simple mistake and proper corrective actions taken. If anything, I would want to fly with this pilot at the controls because they do the right thing when something goes wrong. You don't want the 'perfect' pilot because that does not exist. You want the pilot who follows proper procedures even when something goes wrong because that is a safe pilot.
It’s relieving to see common sense in the comments. As a pilot these things happen and you can see a quick and responsible reaction to the miscalculation. No pilot lands a greaser 10 out of 10 times. News these days focus on the wrong stuff
@@chamowinky Yeah go around and retry to land is common. but touch and go... common too? It happens and the plane can take it. I'm not sure how often that happens.
@@maxkonig559 yep. My news feed has always been filled to the brim with every go around and diversion from funky smells in the cabin/cockpit. The frequency of these news stories lines up with that. Boeing gave them a new cash cow with MCAS and Alaska.
The retired pilot is immensely down playing it this particular situation. Sure there are aborted take offs or Landings all the time but this one was executed very poorly and wasn’t far from an accident. This is not some small fighter jet that can be forgiven. This is a 747 that weights thousands of tons carrying hundreds of people. This was extremely dangerous.
Imagine botching the landing so bad that a local news station makes a full story about it and sends a reporter to the scene, brings 2 different experts on the show and contacts your airline about possible injuries. Poor pilot. Did all the right things, yet here’s the media blowing it way out of proportion.
So, I’m a German, I’m also subscribed to AVL, and I have to say, many lives have been saved thanks to the pilots. without their experience and expertise this would be a different story
these captains are able to land these aircraft by using only instruments with fog on sight. Just a rough landing, captain corrected the issue and went around for a safe landing.
Kevin not once said he never wanted to see that again he said he probably won’t ever see something like that again. Typical news reporter changing the narrative to get the attention.
@@shaggydawg5419 go to the actual footage. As he's coming over the fence, it almost looks like a wing wave, then nose up, then he steps down for the touchdown. Winds played a role here
Y’all should pull this story. It’s not news and there is nothing noteworthy about it. There are a dozen possible explanations for why this plane experienced a hard landing, none of them particularly extraordinary or treacherous. And the pilot reacted exactly as he/she was supposed to by performing a go-around. The story only works to sow fear and mistrust in an area that does not warrant either. KCAL should be embarrassed.
@@leezurligen227 I’m not sure that makes it noteworthy. Anyone that watches plane spotting with any regularity sees this sort of thing quite often. A simple search of “plane spotting” on RUclips will illustrate my point. For the media to treat this as if it were some sort of close call is misleading. There’s enough going on out there they could be reporting on that actually warrants our attention. Stoking unnecessary fear amongst the traveling public serves no purpose and undermines KCAL’s credibility.
@@jaysonbelyea8981I think Kevin from AVL was using a different position than normal that day and was actually below runway level which makes it look all the more awesome.
Great publicity for the AVL channel, Kevin! Superb footage. I watched it 'live' and did wonder what it must have felt like for the passengers at the time. The eventual landing was butter smooth!
I meet Leslie Marin and her cameraman yesterday just before the interview. I also was there with Kevin Ray the day before when this Lufthansa 747-8i attempted to land at LAX on Runway 24 L. When the flight attendants advice you to put your seat and tray tables in the upright position do it for your own safety.
So many comments are "meh it's normal". I call that ********. All of the main gear was bottomed out in a fraction of a second (imagine the g force) and the bounce could have damaged the nose gear, or worse collapsed it, and at ~150mph that would not have been pretty at all. That pilot is on report, for sure.
Private pilot here. And you are absolutely correct. The immense, sudden and profound compressive forces on the tires, gear, hydraulics, brakes, and flaps are astounding. The damage can be both immediate and delayed too. And it appeared at first they were going try to salvage landing as the aircraft started to flop forward or porpoise onto the nose gear. But they fire walled the throttles and prevented it. This episode will be brought up in the pilot’s flight review.
Wow that is D-ABYP, the 1500th 747, built almost 10 years ago. Looks like the plane didn't want to land and by the time he put it down he had not enough runway left to stop it, so he had to abort the landing. Sure was an awesome and scary sight all at once. Impressive how the landing gear handled around 900,000 pounds of plane with control and ease. A medal to those pilots for an amazing job.
Interesting response from the retired pilot. With the way these pilots handled the bounce, he is correct -- they initiated the go-around almost immediately, allowing only a single pilot induced oscillation before aborting the landing. Their competent response made it "not dangerous". But research FedEx Flight 80 at Narita airport, to see what can happen with a very large aircraft when pilots try to salvage a bounced landing, instead initiating the go-around.
Also every landing you can walk away from is a good landing and a great landing is the ones where you can walk away and fly that plane again. At least that’s what my instructor taught me lol.
I feel kinda bad for the pilot. Yeah they messed up the landing, but they immediately made the right decision and executed a go around and now it's a national news story.
Smooth Go-around they resolved the bad situation by applying procedures. Only thing they have to do is inspect the landing gear and maybe change some tyres and the pilot will be remembered for this for a couple of months.
That is what we maintenance guys called a hard landing. That should mean ground the aircraft and perform major maintenance, which includes NDI all wing roots, landing gear, engine mounts, and a complete NDI of any possible cracks in critical stress areas. Not good.
Loved the segment. There was plenty of explanation along with the footage clarifying that this was not a serious incident, although a call to the airline inquiring about injuries was overkill. Hard and rejected landings happen all the time, but it's nevertheless spectacular to see, particularly with a gorgeous 747.
Any pilots explain this question? As a lay person, it seemed like he had the flaps down a long time after taking off again. Having no knowledge, it would seem to me that you’d want those up when going up in the air. Please let me know.
This was not a big deal the way landings go. Pilots are trained to deal with these situations. This youtuber obviously saw an opportunity to capitalize on this, call the media and get some free advertising. I agree, it must have been a slow news day.
Sad that this is news. You know what is even more unsafe? When pilots to try land on an unstable approach and crash as a result. The FAA says pilots don’t do enough go-arounds. The news gaslighting pilots doing the right thing doesnt help!
Precisely. Doing this in a GA aircraft and the firewall will be wrinkled without question. Say goodbye to that airframe. Yet when it’s big and heavy, it’s great piloting skill’.
Poor energy management and failure to initiate the flair early enough resulting in pancaking the aircraft down hard onto the main gear and nose wheel. While the main landing gear is robust, the nose wheel impact can result in significant airframe damage both visible and delayed. So no that was NOT good piloting skills.
Odd coincidence - I pulled a target up on ForeFlight yesterday as I saw a heavy contrail flying north to south over Jackson Wyoming. 4 engine contrails aren’t that common. The ID tag said Lufthansa 748. (747-800) with 1:35 flight time to go before landing in KLAX.
That retired pilot saying that was a clunker was a understatement those engines almost made contact with that runway and did you see the way the aircraft bent and torqued sad that Boeing retired it.
If you’re a passenger like me with anxiety and jumpy I will scream on top of my lungs 🫁 that happened to our plane landing and the pilot hit the brakes hard I guessed and the impact created a loud noise that made me scream! For others it’s okay but if you’re a nervous wreck person it’s very unpleasant feeling.
Dude in the studio: 'Aborted landing is SHOCKING!!!'....What?! The only thing shocking here us your lack of understanding what has happened there. And...NOTHING WAS SHOCKING THERE,genius...what SHOCKING is this though: creating the uncalled for sensation by yourself. Period. PS Good recovery pilots.S*** happens,not big deal.Take care.
Those landing bogeys are built like tanks, titanium alloy and steel structure and pistons to shock absorb the impact much like your mountain bike or motor bike spread evenly to absorb it's dynamic point loads extended at it's center of gravity. The 16 tires beefed up to that of an Bradley ifv will not burst unless it is at least an airframe crinkling flare. Though Some pax in the mid sections will feel it like a typical hard landing that everybody has had experienced before, but on a jumbo it won't feel as dramatic vs if this were on a 737MAX
People in this country need a life. Yes, a rough landing and several causes possible but the pilots were at their game and came back to land silky smooth. Nothing to see here except some smoke. Pug-leease
So Lufthansa still flies 747 passenger planes? Hardly anyone else does these days. Having said that, it’s always been my favorite plane as a passenger!!
It’s sad to see all the comments about these pilots being bad when this is the definition of a good pilot. They recognized that there was a problem and did the best and safest thing possible and did a go around. There are plenty of videos out there on RUclips that shows a bad pilot that will try to force the plane down and bounces like 5 more times and then breaks a nose gear.
Exactly. Even the best pilots have bad landings from time to time
what do you expect when the news thingy starts with "shocking". Air Pakistan was shocking when they did NOT go around but tried to force a landing.
The problem as well if they bounce and don't do a go around is they can end up flipping. It has happened more than once.
With this pilot, simple mistake and proper corrective actions taken. If anything, I would want to fly with this pilot at the controls because they do the right thing when something goes wrong. You don't want the 'perfect' pilot because that does not exist. You want the pilot who follows proper procedures even when something goes wrong because that is a safe pilot.
It’s relieving to see common sense in the comments. As a pilot these things happen and you can see a quick and responsible reaction to the miscalculation. No pilot lands a greaser 10 out of 10 times. News these days focus on the wrong stuff
Good pilots protect millions of lives a day, more than a surgeon's entire career.
Respect to pilots who respect life.
Media always overreacts with everything
Fr, and there's been like 3 of these videos I've seen so far
Exactly... Go arounds are common....
@@chamowinky Yeah go around and retry to land is common. but touch and go... common too? It happens and the plane can take it. I'm not sure how often that happens.
It's called ratings.
@@maxkonig559 yep. My news feed has always been filled to the brim with every go around and diversion from funky smells in the cabin/cockpit. The frequency of these news stories lines up with that. Boeing gave them a new cash cow with MCAS and Alaska.
Must of been a really slow day in media
*must've ❤😊
And in your life to make a comment 😂
Must have…
*must HAVE
Yeah, although the nose wheel contact was quite hard.
If they were “bad pilots” they wouldn’t have gone around and went off the runway.
Retired pilot 🧑✈️: nothing dangerous about it.
Passengers: 💩 X 400.
😂😂😂😂
The retired pilot is immensely down playing it this particular situation. Sure there are aborted take offs or
Landings all the time but this one was executed very poorly and wasn’t far from an accident. This is not some small fighter jet that can be forgiven. This is a 747 that weights thousands of tons carrying hundreds of people. This was extremely dangerous.
Sure, but those planes ✈️ are (should) be built to take it!
@@carolfiggins9122 If this makes people 💩themselves they would really love a trip to old Kai Tak airport.🤣
The pilot was a former Ryanair pilot and performed what he thought was a normal landing
😂
Ryanair 3000 flights a day, Lufthansa 1200 flights a day. Fatalities Ryanair 0, Lufthansa 150
ryan air comments are not funny sorry to break it to you lil kid
Imagine botching the landing so bad that a local news station makes a full story about it and sends a reporter to the scene, brings 2 different experts on the show and contacts your airline about possible injuries.
Poor pilot.
Did all the right things, yet here’s the media blowing it way out of proportion.
Geez imagine and here thinking I’m having a bad day at work
Kevin getting some free advertising for AVL !!
So, I’m a German, I’m also subscribed to AVL, and I have to say, many lives have been saved thanks to the pilots. without their experience and expertise this would be a different story
What are you talking about, the pilots caused the issue in the first place, perfect visibility day time no storm or gusts landing conditions.
these captains are able to land these aircraft by using only instruments with fog on sight. Just a rough landing, captain corrected the issue and went around for a safe landing.
And First Officers
Why so certain it waas the captain?
It was a training flight, is what the airline said
"Just"? Just downplay it.
Kudos to that pilot - he followed procedural safe guards and eventually landed safely. We appreciate our overworked pilots!
Sure, but he almost did it again on the second 😂
Only the news could exaggerate a touch and go into a major event😂
"Pilot" makes a common error and media mentions Boeing? You can't make this stuff up...
Welcome to Biden America 🇺🇸
Kevin not once said he never wanted to see that again he said he probably won’t ever see something like that again. Typical news reporter changing the narrative to get the attention.
Happens time to time. Nothing 'scary'
Probably caught a downdraft. pilots are well trained and recovered
it's possible and that is very scary. An extremely strong one will slam that plane onto the runway. No chance of recovering from that.
@@shaggydawg5419 go to the actual footage. As he's coming over the fence, it almost looks like a wing wave, then nose up, then he steps down for the touchdown. Winds played a role here
isn't that a windshear or is that something different
@@TheBeagle58winds had zero to do with this.
Those were definitely not Firestone tires 😂
It's Goodyear
Kudos to Kevin!
I hear that it took longer to clean the inside of the aircraft than it took to clean the outside.
Y’all should pull this story. It’s not news and there is nothing noteworthy about it. There are a dozen possible explanations for why this plane experienced a hard landing, none of them particularly extraordinary or treacherous. And the pilot reacted exactly as he/she was supposed to by performing a go-around. The story only works to sow fear and mistrust in an area that does not warrant either. KCAL should be embarrassed.
It’s noteworthy because it was caught on video.
@@leezurligen227
I’m not sure that makes it noteworthy. Anyone that watches plane spotting with any regularity sees this sort of thing quite often. A simple search of “plane spotting” on RUclips will illustrate my point. For the media to treat this as if it were some sort of close call is misleading. There’s enough going on out there they could be reporting on that actually warrants our attention. Stoking unnecessary fear amongst the traveling public serves no purpose and undermines KCAL’s credibility.
@@jaysonbelyea8981 Typical behavior for the media.
@@jaysonbelyea8981I think Kevin from AVL was using a different position than normal that day and was actually below runway level which makes it look all the more awesome.
Soul Plane 😂 with the hydraulics
Good recording from Kevin and AVL!
Great publicity for the AVL channel, Kevin! Superb footage. I watched it 'live' and did wonder what it must have felt like for the passengers at the time. The eventual landing was butter smooth!
I love how news - SHOCKING / AMAZING - it happens at least a dozen times a day around the world and no one has a problem.
I would say Shocking is a bit too strong a word to use? Whats so shocking about it.Entertaing for sure.
The passengers probably didn’t feel anything. That suspension system worked like magic, the cabin didn’t move.
Oh…they felt that
Great catch by Kevin of AVL. Well done 👏🏻
I meet Leslie Marin and her cameraman yesterday just before the interview. I also was there with Kevin Ray the day before when this Lufthansa 747-8i attempted to land at LAX on Runway 24 L. When the flight attendants advice you to put your seat and tray tables in the upright position do it for your own safety.
Would've been a complete story if they'd shown the second try.
So many comments are "meh it's normal". I call that ********.
All of the main gear was bottomed out in a fraction of a second (imagine the g force) and the bounce could have damaged the nose gear, or worse collapsed it, and at ~150mph that would not have been pretty at all.
That pilot is on report, for sure.
Private pilot here. And you are absolutely correct. The immense, sudden and profound compressive forces on the tires, gear, hydraulics, brakes, and flaps are astounding. The damage can be both immediate and delayed too. And it appeared at first they were going try to salvage landing as the aircraft started to flop forward or porpoise onto the nose gear. But they fire walled the throttles and prevented it. This episode will be brought up in the pilot’s flight review.
Wow that is D-ABYP, the 1500th 747, built almost 10 years ago. Looks like the plane didn't want to land and by the time he put it down he had not enough runway left to stop it, so he had to abort the landing. Sure was an awesome and scary sight all at once. Impressive how the landing gear handled around 900,000 pounds of plane with control and ease. A medal to those pilots for an amazing job.
Interesting response from the retired pilot. With the way these pilots handled the bounce, he is correct -- they initiated the go-around almost immediately, allowing only a single pilot induced oscillation before aborting the landing. Their competent response made it "not dangerous". But research FedEx Flight 80 at Narita airport, to see what can happen with a very large aircraft when pilots try to salvage a bounced landing, instead initiating the go-around.
This is the most non-news news story I've seen in a long time. Lol. 😂
Good thing Lufthansa went for the heavy-duty option on the landing gear.
That is how reliable 747 is,the aliens got upset to realized how the plane is so tremendous in all aspects.
Excellent report Kevin , I congratulate you greatly
Cool that I got to see this live...but they never mentioned AVL...but did keep the graphics
how is this news worthy?
Why we all clap when it's a smooth landing
The flight took off from Frankfurt and was bound to Hawaii with a stopover at LAX, a very short stopover.
As a pilot, every landing is a go around with the option to land! A stabilized approach makes for a good landing and visa-versa.
Also every landing you can walk away from is a good landing and a great landing is the ones where you can walk away and fly that plane again. At least that’s what my instructor taught me lol.
Great job Kevin & AVL! Glad the TV folks came out to talk to you.
I feel kinda bad for the pilot. Yeah they messed up the landing, but they immediately made the right decision and executed a go around and now it's a national news story.
That pilot did an exceptional job excuting a aborted landing,that could of turned out much worse.Those pilots have nerves of steel.
2:43 - Ladies and Gentlemen that's some excellent driving, all trucks hitting at once and the leap, the leap is pure 747.
These 747's can take it. Made for that kind of stuff. Now and then something like this happens. Looked worse than it was.
Imagine... this guy films planes landing and livestreams it, has 800k subscribers and (I assume) lives off that. Crazy.
I applaud the guy who caught this for his channel, but thumbs down for CBS for making this a news.
It’s not that shocking. Go around happened every day.
Great job Kevin kudos to AVL.
Media Sensationalism Much?
Very much
Kevin caught the landing of the year! Go AVL!
Smooth Go-around they resolved the bad situation by applying procedures. Only thing they have to do is inspect the landing gear and maybe change some tyres and the pilot will be remembered for this for a couple of months.
That is what we maintenance guys called a hard landing. That should mean ground the aircraft and perform major maintenance, which includes NDI all wing roots, landing gear, engine mounts, and a complete NDI of any possible cracks in critical stress areas. Not good.
Great to see Barry Schiff doing well! I grew up on his early VHS videos!
Wrong calculations and mostly left the passengers horrified regardless they are prepared for it
Loved the segment. There was plenty of explanation along with the footage clarifying that this was not a serious incident, although a call to the airline inquiring about injuries was overkill. Hard and rejected landings happen all the time, but it's nevertheless spectacular to see, particularly with a gorgeous 747.
the pilot actually did a butter landing on the 2nd time around.
Any pilots explain this question? As a lay person, it seemed like he had the flaps down a long time after taking off again. Having no knowledge, it would seem to me that you’d want those up when going up in the air. Please let me know.
Ease up on the handful of airline incidents and get back to real news.
It's not concerning. It's a go around. No big deal.
This was not a big deal the way landings go. Pilots are trained to deal with these situations. This youtuber obviously saw an opportunity to capitalize on this, call the media and get some free advertising. I agree, it must have been a slow news day.
I think somebody is going to be reporting him/her self to office for serious talk up to including termination !!
And now....let's hear from the experts.
Sad that this is news. You know what is even more unsafe? When pilots to try land on an unstable approach and crash as a result. The FAA says pilots don’t do enough go-arounds. The news gaslighting pilots doing the right thing doesnt help!
Precisely. Doing this in a GA aircraft and the firewall will be wrinkled without question. Say goodbye to that airframe. Yet when it’s big and heavy, it’s great piloting skill’.
Poor energy management and failure to initiate the flair early enough resulting in pancaking the aircraft down hard onto the main gear and nose wheel. While the main landing gear is robust, the nose wheel impact can result in significant airframe damage both visible and delayed. So no that was NOT good piloting skills.
Oh! The drama! It’s called oscillation it happens sometimes. This is why media is useless.
Standard go around, not dangerous.
Odd coincidence - I pulled a target up on ForeFlight yesterday as I saw a heavy contrail flying north to south over Jackson Wyoming. 4 engine contrails aren’t that common. The ID tag said Lufthansa 748. (747-800) with 1:35 flight time to go before landing in KLAX.
Don't worry about it!
I think he's a great pilot!
That retired pilot saying that was a clunker was a understatement those engines almost made contact with that runway and did you see the way the aircraft bent and torqued sad that Boeing retired it.
windshear windshear windshear, go around, we going around, toga power applied, flaps 3 on the bus not sure about the queen
A bit of sensational type reporting. From what I understand, the landing was not stabilised, so they did a go around. No big deal.
Queen of the sky's setting an example of safety!
If you’re a passenger like me with anxiety and jumpy I will scream on top of my lungs 🫁 that happened to our plane landing and the pilot hit the brakes hard I guessed and the impact created a loud noise that made me scream! For others it’s okay but if you’re a nervous wreck person it’s very unpleasant feeling.
We love AVL and Plane Jockey Ray!
The 747 is an incredibly well-built machine.
El Al 1862 and the residential building it crashed into show that that wasn’t always the case.
Its not that shocking to the pilots. Its what they do. If they cant stick it. They go around. Better than the alternative
Oh come on! He wants to see such a landing again, that’s the only reason many of us know about his channel!
How about asking those passangers and how they experienced it!
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
And any landing where you can walk away from and still fly the plane is a great landing..lol we must have the same flight instructor
Over reaction much? It happens all the time.
Jesus they are making it way too dramatic..stuff like this is common..they came around and landed it perfect..smh
Dude in the studio: 'Aborted landing is SHOCKING!!!'....What?!
The only thing shocking here us your lack of understanding what has happened there.
And...NOTHING WAS SHOCKING THERE,genius...what SHOCKING is this though: creating the uncalled for sensation by yourself. Period.
PS
Good recovery pilots.S*** happens,not big deal.Take care.
Why all this fuss? Bad landings happen quite often
Those landing bogeys are built like tanks, titanium alloy and steel structure and pistons to shock absorb the impact much like your mountain bike or motor bike spread evenly to absorb it's dynamic point loads extended at it's center of gravity. The 16 tires beefed up to that of an Bradley ifv will not burst unless it is at least an airframe crinkling flare. Though Some pax in the mid sections will feel it like a typical hard landing that everybody has had experienced before, but on a jumbo it won't feel as dramatic vs if this were on a 737MAX
That's not easy to have a 747 bounce like that
Good to see Kevin and AVL featured! I saw it happen live on the show and at that moment it was an unexpected experience!
Los Angeles Mexico. Nice coverage Univision...
That's why they call it a "Boing" 747.
this is not a bad 747 captain, jacob van vaanten ( was )
Was that the KLM pilot?
People in this country need a life. Yes, a rough landing and several causes possible but the pilots were at their game and came back to land silky smooth. Nothing to see here except some smoke. Pug-leease
Go live yours then instead of commenting 🙄
Glad that I don’t live in your news market, you guys hyperventilate over a plane that didn’t crash. The old Eagles song was right.
So Lufthansa still flies 747 passenger planes? Hardly anyone else does these days. Having said that, it’s always been my favorite plane as a passenger!!
One story made sure to state that it was a Boeing airplane!
Exactly.. smh
Where is Captain Stryker when you need him.
😮 Just Wow ! Glad all’s well
Suprised they didn’t blame it in Boeing.
Its never happened before in the history of 747😮
That was a copilot error😅