Building Primitive Atlatl and Sling from Scratch
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2019
- Facing a modern menace, Annalise and I produce some early primitive projectile weapons of a sling and atlatl spear thrower, to see how we face off against them.
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Waiting for the shirtless, speechless collab with Primitive Technology.
athf226 that would be amazing!!
They would communicate through a series of grunts and chest pounds
No we need a series with Andy spending a few weeks in the bush with Primitive tech.
I’m pretty sure Primitive Technology is in Australia so he needs to go on plane to go there
Now that’s something I wanna see
Never herd of shot towers that was pretty interesting history, thanks!
Yeah it was wasn't it!
I had never heard of that before either! 🤓🤓🤓🤓
Wait he was saying shot! I thought he was saying shat.
they still use this concept on small scales. a research lab is toying with this idea to make c02 capture orbs
There us one in columbus ohio that now is the art building of a high school
Where I live is pretty rich in history very old train station, a mural from 1901, very old town square dating back to the 1800s, one of the largest appel ststues in the world, retirement for baseball legend ty Cobb but that's just the surface
I feel like a handful of gravel is the optimal primitive weapon against drones.
Homemade shotgun
I prefer shotgun.
Put the gravel in the sling
@@dwightschrute3862 very fitting that dwight says this
Just be a tree, or tall grass in the wind and you'll be victorious
Credit to Ally. This series has really gained traction since she came on.
Yeah, her braiding idea was really good thinking. Side note: Are they dating? Coz I'm kinda assuming they are and it's nice.
BenGman I was assuming she’s a teenager
@@benGman69 Braiding a sling is a really rather common thing, at least among those who make slings. Her technique was pretty atrocious too.
It's a common misconception that you swirl a sling round in circles like that. There's plenty of techniques that give lots of power but way more control. Still takes practice to be accurate though.
Yeah, most commonly a sort of crisscross pattern was used going in front of the body making a huge ∞ symbol and releasing the sling toward the top of the loop on your dominant side.
And to be fair their throwing form is bad they're not really following through which gives most throws their control and power for both sling and atlatl.
The sling that they made is also rather short, this is probably part of the reason as well due to the slower throw speed (skill being the other major one)
@@Grayson.P No. Short slings, while being less powerful, are much easier to shoot accurately. It's just that it was their first day.
Yeah they swingin it like it’s mjolnir
I kinda want to see you start to make traps, as i feel that traps for hunting small game are also quite important to the development of civilization
I agree that would be very interesting to see/learn about!
It would be interesting but he said in the video that he wants to keep away from killing animals
PutinTheSavior could test them on things other than animals, depending on the trap.
Rc cars or something
@@mattk2446 Traps are very easy to trigger and test using non-living means. And even then most traps (like snares) are non-lethal.
With the crush style traps he could just roll an orange into the trigger stick, and the collapse of the rock will crush the orange.
Nice and showy, yet also humane.
There’s a reason guns became the dominant weapon despite their relative inaccuracy at first... limited skill set needed. Great job leveling up guys!
Same with crossbows initially. They were quite a bit slower than bows, but you could teach just about any idiot to use one in a matter of minutes.
Also they're freaking *terrifying!* Loud bangs and great clouds of smoke that people aren't used to. Imagine you're some late-midieval levey. You're used to being around spears, bows, swords, and such, but you're probably not used to guns since they were far too slow innacurate and heavy to be used for hunting.
So even though they weren't as good at killing as other range weapons, they would be much better at making the enemy waver right before the lines met, or even break!
And horses probably would have an even stronger reaction to them.
@@chrisc1140 horses still have a strong reaction to them unless they've been specifically trained not to.
Most early firearms were less accurate and had very limited range, but only compared to modern firearms.
The accuracy of your average arquebus or musket was about as accurate as a bow within their effective range of 50 meters. So the issue was more a matter of being so popular despite their absurd *cost*. :)
And the fact that firearms made armour null and void.
The rest of RUclips: save the trees!
HTME: this would be a perfect tree to make my spear
The rest of RUclips: Let's plant trees with drones
HTME: let's try to shoot drones down
@@Mobin92 shoot down the drones with trees!
yeah, that's a very good reason for you to laugh like an idiot and not care huh?
@@anarchism bruh the whole point of jokes is to laugh like idiots, chill out. Him talking about turning trees into spears isn't gonna kill the environment at a faster rate or anything.
@@anarchism How about you pull that stick out of your ass and get a sense of humor.
the rest of youtube: using drones to plant 20 million trees
HTME: lets use trees to shoot down drones
They are going to use drones?
I wish Andy promoted that initiative in this video
Which is a waste. Focus should be set on the ocean, since that's where a majority of oxygen is produced, and has produced since before trees. People are planting trees that they know are going to be cleared in a matter of years, due to their city development, while waving their finger at simple living people, about how much paper they use... but I guess it's something
@@ReadyBeforeYou is that really a good idea. I know microscopic organisms produce the majority of the oxygen in our atmosphere, but we can let it get too high. Wild fires would become alot more common. Fossil records show this. Also isn't the main objective for planting trees is to reduce co2 levels.
Lmao yup
Im really impressed at the amount of time and effort you put into this
But its your job i guess
Either way keep it up
Next episode: "Making stone age drones from scratch,"
Stone age didn't have access to metal dumbass
@@yeetman6955 r/woosh
Go read doctor stone.
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You mean birds?
I love how they cant hit the hay bales. then try to hit the MOVING drones.
Love the creativity - keep the series going!
This has got to be the most uncoordinated video on ancient weapons I've ever been witness to. Keep up the great content, Andy
Moral of the story: Drones will kill us all while we're trying to throw sticks at them.
Facts
Tries to take out small drones
Shovel: perhaps I can be of assistance
I made a sling like that for throwing tennis balls for my dog a while ago and with a bit of practice it can get really accurate
The video's title is basically the latest arc of dr. Stone.
LOL
Tsukasa empire vs the kingdom of science
but they have to build a drone instead of shooting one down.
I can't believe you didn't get Ryan from hunt primitive to help you on this. He is THE master of atlatl!
He's the animal abuser who deserves prison right?
@@Rhaegarion Seems like a hunter to me.
@@Rhaegarion Hunting isn't animal abuse.
@@Rhaegarion he eats animals and uses their skin, leather etc. He always gives them a chance to live, because he is not shooting from 200 yards whit a rifle.. Think again
@@cretudavid8622 any killing outside of a controlled setting in a licensed and regulated abattoir for anything other than humane dispatch of an injured animal is inhumane and thankfully in my country, (UK) illegal.
You hit the real reason the sling fell out of popularity at the end. (it was NOT due to armor even though you said that before) It just takes so much longer to become decent with a sling vs with a bow. That's the same reason guns won over bows. Bows were better than early guns for range, accuracy, and rate of fire. But they took time to train. With a gun, you could take any schlub and train him for a week to become decent.
Exactly what I found in my research. Also, slingers have to be much more spaced apart in a formation.
Огнестрельное оружие победило лук не из-за сложностей подготовки,а из-за того, что сам по себе мушкет представляет отдельное оружие, независимое от физических способностей стрелка.
@@Mega_penetrator228UltraPower Translated reply: "The firearm won out over the bow, not because of the complexity of training, but because the musket itself is a separate weapon, independent of the physical abilities of the shooter."
My reply to you: Possibly lost in translation, but not complexity. The Difficulty and time involved in building up the muscles necessary to pull a strong bow to shoot an arrow a good distance. That's why it takes longer to train with a bow.
@@Oxnate это я и имел ввиду.
Yhea they basically lost value in war when people in general, during everyday use, had reasons to use the sling so would pick up the skill young and be basically practicing every day as they used it to hunt or drive off dangerous animals etc. Same as the bow, as, soon as people stopped having to use it to hunt or as in England for a long time, being law to learn to shoot and to have to shoot at least once a week then their value as war weapons disappointed as, well as it takes years to be really good with either and takes long enough just to be able to get the basic skills down.
Everyone else: PLANT THE TREES!
HTME: This Tree! Cut!
Great job hitting the target with your sling. It's not intuitive at all when first learning. You managed to figure out the most important part - most slinging styles only involve 1-2 rotations. You should always know where the rock/bullet is in relation to your body. Slinging org is a great resource for making and learning how to use slings effectively.
That cardboard box swarm had no chance against your weapons!!! Good job!!!
Since the atlatl and the sling have such small projectiles, it would be very, very hard to hit a flying object with much consistency without extensive training. You might want to make a net instead with lead weights on the ends. This would be very effective for catching drones...
and even more effective for catching fish, which has played a major role in supporting mankind during the stone age...just an idea :)
or use gravel and/or many small rocks to act more like a shotgun.
you are gonna loose a significant amount of power but it's gonna be much easier to actually hit anything.
*sips tea
That's some good primitive weapons
*Sips cooled boiled water from bone carved cup: "ooga booga gud stab blam"
Queen would be delighted.
The guy from the HuntPrimitive channel has hunted a bison with an atlatl.
Thats just animal cruelty I hope that guy got sent to prison for it.
@@Rhaegarion what.
@@airysama8812 It's all right, they're one of the people who doesn't understand that "Hunting" and "Cruelty" are two different things.
@@Rhaegarion actually multiple times he has hit a bison and they don't even feel it
@@Rhaegarion also they die in less than 20 seconds. Some of them shot by rifles are alive for minutes
I've met some women in really rural villages near Tibet that are beasts with a drop spindle, great seeing analise trying it out
Primitive Caveman: Hey guys, I made this thing to throw spears farther.
Other Cavemen: Cool, how's it work?
PC: Just yeet it.
Reminds me of the book/movie "Clan of the Cave Bear", where a neanderthal woman secretly learns to use weapons by teaching herself.
I have been building and testing slings for a few years now, and was super excited for this video!
You have to remember that boys were using slings from a young age, both for hunting small game and defending their family's herd animals from predators. So by your age they had 10 to 15 years experience; that's a big advantage. You only started using it. Keep up the practice and you will start to develop some mad skills.
I really enjoy that you are tackling ancient technologies, building and testing them to see their effectiveness. It would be nice to see you incorporate current masters who build and use these technologies. I live in the Yukon in northern Canada, and we have people here who have close ties to these technologies and try to preserve them. The First Nations in our area were hunting mammoths not too long ago. I heard “You could kill a mammoth” after one of the Atlatl throws into a bail of hay. It would be great to test actual ability to penetrate something similar to the hide, skin and muscle tissues of a large animal. Obviously it was done in the past, and I’m not saying you should actually go hunting with these “weapons” but it would be great to see, like I mentioned before, someone who has practiced this skill, both with building and using these weapons. I really enjoy your channel and I can’t wait to see where you go with it in tue future. Hopefully you like some of my suggestions.
don't forget you can burn the wood tips and then run them on a stone to remove the burnt parts reveal a point like structure
Damn Annalise is talented
Which is why I was happy when he picked her instead of the other interns
@@SF-li9kh when id that happen? and was there an episode about that?
Fighting drones like that it would be far more effective to just wang them with a big ol' stick 😂
This was really awesome, thanks 👍
I think the idea with slings is slower, bigger swings, in a sort of elliptical shape.
Also you only spin it once. Additional rotations don't add any power and it ruins your accuracy
If the robots in the RUclips algorithm don’t like hunting animals I wonder what they will do with hunting other robots??
you can take like 5-15 little rocks and throw them with the sling - primitive shotgun
Awesome. Can't wait to see more of the series!
I think a staff sling is easier to learn to use. At least that's what it felt like when I tried to learn to use slings and staff slings.
Against suicide drones, a fishing dip net or a tennis racket would probably be a good weapon.
For larger drones, a bola or any kind of weight with a long strong streamer behind it would probably entangle and drop them.
This is Awesome
Can we talk about how cool Annalise looks with her coat while they're shooting outside?
I came here to say this. She's so badass. Just naturally.
She looks like trailer trash
I also found the overarm single swing effective. You get strong control of direction, and the extra kick the projectile gets by robbing the angular momentum of the swing increases speed.
A quick tip on making the feathers on your arrows smoother for better flight. Take a stick, set it on fire on the tip so it makes an ember, then with the ember fuse the feathers together. This will make them fray less
That works on feathers too? I've used a similar technique to stop polyester ribbon ends from fraying, but thought it would only work on synthetics.
If anything, this series makes me wonder what the “average strength” of a person im each age of technology. So, what would be average strength of someone during the Stone Age be different than someone who lived post industrial age?
That is an excellent point
Daily life has moved towards using the brain and society for survival instead of the body. My assumption is that Stone Age humans were stronger than today due to their lifestyle
Looking at modern hunter gatherers they often appear either quite skinny, or skinny-fat, so physically I don't think they'd have had too much different than modern man for the past few hundred years, I think their strength laid in very specific places however. Archers for example who shoot high poundage bows often form large back and shoulder muscles, and we know one of the oldest bows in existence was probably at about a 130 lbs draw-weight which is quite a lot, so we can assume if that was the norm they'd have been much stronger in that specific department. People who used spear throwers probably had much stronger forearms and shoulders than modern average man due to a life-time of use. I notice a lot of hunter-gatherers tend to also have strong back-muscles as their main strength, which makes sense when you consider the amount of chopping of wood, bending and stretching about, archery, throwing etc they had to do, so in that department they would've been stronger probably. But ofcourse averages is just averages I'm sure there were weak hunter-gatherers and there are certainly very strong modern people. But still, the strongest man in the world would probably struggle with using a high poundage bow and arrow or even throwing things very far, something the hunter-gatherers would find incredibly easy as they were raised.
There's also the question of nutrition. If you're in the stone age, and struggling to eat enough, you might have some issues with bone density, and muscle growth.
It depends on the Era and early cases, species. During the Paleolithic (3,000,000 to 12000 years ago) different species differed in hunting strategies, thus different body shapes. Sapiens had slim and agile bodies, they were incredibly fast, and can run for hours on end without stopping. They preferred to use ranged weapons as it allowed them to kill their prey from a safe distance. Neanderthals, although slower were far stronger than us Sapiens. They utilized brute strength for hunting, wrestling an Irish elk to the ground, and used a melee weapon to finish their prey. They had large bulky bodies, which resembles today's navy seals, and were able to tank a Wooly Rhinoceros.
I curious about a primitive version of a rope dart
PS keep up the good work!
Homemade rope with a rock at the end? Sounds effective.
You know there’s a type if sling called a kestrosphendone that shoots darts.
Having made my own atlatl from scraps in my garage and chicken feathers, yours works far better and I now want to retry. This is the best atlatl making demo I have seen.
I love Annalise! Hey energy is great and I think she makes an accurate standin for early women. The role of early women in anthropology is often overlooked and forgotten, but from everything I've read, their role was very similar to that of Annalise. They were responsible for inventions and improvements, they did some of the most detailed and meticulous crafting. When there's a time lapse of her sitting down and spending hours to make something complicated and incredibly useful, it's easy to picture my fore-mothers doing the same!
When you finish this series, can you make a video on a hockey stick
I’m just imagining him doing an entire video while standing on a hockey stick. No acknowledgement of it.
The way I learned to work a sling, starts with the sling in front of you, as Andy shows. But it must come up behind the back, pass over the head in a counterclockwise circle, then be launched forward. Direction is determined by the arm as 2nd string released. Elevation is determined by the point of release of the 2nd string.
The Atlatl has more to do with elbow and wrist. Not the whole arm. Both do take alot of practice.
That sling you are using is called a short sling and you don’t need to swing it around or apply extra pressure to the rock before releasing it. Short slings are essentially string atlatls and the accuracy is greatly improved by just throwing it like an atlatl. It is also allot easier.
Good job for all your time and effort! Keep up the good work.
you may starve if living on a diet of drone
I honestly thought this was with Micheal Reeves
Yes xd
Roomba that screams xd
Great concept. Been enjoying your videos. You're inspiring me to try stuff.
The Jackson Ferry Shot Tower in Austinville, Virgina also still stands. It's the focus of Virginia's Shot Tower State Park.
Bonus trivia: Also the birthplace of Stephen F. Austin. Formerly known as Lead Mines, Virginia.
Flashback to that time the Yogscast learned what an Atlatl was.
love your vids Keep up the great work! i am also from MN! i just want to thank the community again for that crazy amount of likes i got on a comment about child slavery of all topics. so thank you andy for your work and humor and thanks to the community!
OMG! thank you so much andy and everyone from the HTME team for liking my comment. this is really cheesy and extra how i'm responding but it means so much to me to get a like from you. and has inspired me to be like you! sure i may be young but i have dreams of becoming an engineer and do stuff that you do on a daily basis. so thanks again. you have no idea how much this means to me.
If you soak your cordage in water before using it to lash things together you'll get a far more secure lashing. I've fixed split tent poles with this method (jute twine) and it's solid as can be.
Great job! I really wanted to see yall try this and I'm happy I got to see it!
Yall did a great job, I really enjoyed this episode.
Can't wait to see what yall will do next. Big fan!🤓🤓🤓🤓
Htme: *makes gun*
Ak-Custom: "allow me to introduce myself"
I feel like the "arm" of the atlatl should be at least long enough for the thrower to be able to hold the "arrow" before the CG.
It's not that I've thrown an atlatl but I kinda see the arrow bounce and vibrate before the release, effecting the direction and force of launch...specially on such a flexible arrow.
The dart is supposed to partially bend and be flexible, its that same flex that actually gives it slightly more power by springing off the Atlatl upon launch. Watch a video on proper throwing technique with one, and you'll see what I mean.
@@devonchin94 thanks man! I didn't think of that
Any trustworthy example you could link here?
100% accurate. 100% works! Congratulations.
I've been slinging for a few years , couple hours every day, and I'm at the skill of a baelaric island child.
The atlatl takes so much practice
They actually are very intuative and have a relatively low learning curve to get to the point you can hit a target. Super fun if you've got a yard and build your own kits are pretty cheap.
Should've called in Matt Graham for that one.
Should have watched the Primitive Technology video.
Bro this channel is always so interesting to watch.
Great work!
Last caveman fights Jeff bezos (2069 colorized)
I could be wrong but I think your using the sling wrong, if I remember from hist right your swing overhead and come down and out horizontally on your dominate side
Yup, no swinging around building speed. Just one swinging motion while rotating your upper body into the throw.
There are many different ways to swing a sling.
I know of at least 4 methods of swinging the sling.
None the methods involve pretending to be a helicopter, though
Nicholas Hodges lol
Did you guys consider making a "Shepard's sling"? It's pretty much just the sling but attached to a stick/staff so you don't have to swing it in a circle. Generally they're easier to aim.
RUclips doesn't want you making educational videos that have hunting/animal killing in it in a matter that is for more than just for sport, so you have to spend even more money on technology to make a "realistic" experience for these weapons. Love that they support content creators here
try watching tods workshops video on sling he talks a lot about the throwing technique
But in all fairness, throwing with slings or atlatl is not really hard, I did it just by myself when I was in high school age, 12 years old or something and could hit stuff 10 meters away after a day or so. I am afraid to say htme is not very good at throwing stuff :X
This is absolutely fantastic entertainment and great learning at the same time. Thanks so much for making this series for us to tag along with. Imagine if your parents and grand parents had their own sling style and you got passed down generational knowledge as to which projectiles and materials to use, as well as effective methods for each prey type.
Quite entertaining, relaxing and educational watching you
I mean it’d be hard to hit one of those tiny drones with most guns
Uhm No. I shoot .22 brass casings at over 2x that distance. That would be an easy shot
Jonathan Lunger2
I can hit a book at 200 yards with my Mosin Nagant, Irons and free standing. (Don’t ask. I managed to keep my math text book when I graduated middle school. So I shot it.)
But I can’t shoot skeet for shit.
It’d definitely give me a run for my money.
I was gonna say that everyone is planting trees and htme is cutting them down but everyone's already said that.
A sling you wanna pull forward when it's at its peak rotating clockwise, counterclockwise if you are left-handed. (it's all in the wrist too, relaxing the arm till last moment is best)
Awesome keep on keeping on. Dropping lead to make a ball ? Crazy. Can you guys try it off a cliff or drop it from a dji mavic.
I'm English and when I heard them speak about shot I thought they said shart
same!
That might've been more effective. Just eat lots of beans first and aim high.
@@shatterthemirror8563 now thats real advice!
I believe that most things from the English accent are better than the American accent. Except stuff like the R’s because then you will be able to tell stuff like that. BTW I’m American
@@adolphstalin9193 problem with america is they had to dumb down words so the average education adult could not only have to understand the word but say it and spell it which most couldn't, much like why america uses sulfur and not sulphur, too bad you tube defaults to american English, nothing against Americans btw but god damn some have blown my mind at how detached they are from anyone else.
had one claiming he was authentically irish first and not american because apperently his ancestors came from Ireland like 200 years ago, and i told him its not how it works.
he might have Irish descendant blood but in no way is he even remotely Irish or majority Irish regardless if all parent were indeed Irish, due to america now being its own unique culture and way of life same i see with Italian american men, they are just Italian apparently even though they probably couldn't point it on the map.
thats going down a rabbit hole sorry.
Its funny how the rest of yt is planting trees while this mad is cutting them 😂. A nice contrast
Just a recommendation. If you are throwing with a sling start at the bottom swing upwards once and then throw from the side. This should improve your accuracy a lot
Wow that's cool!!
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I must have missed the first episode with Annalise. Lady, you are a treasure for this channel. I really like your contributions to the overall direction of the channel-I bet Andy wishes you were helping with his suit from scratch 😂😂💜
Oh, and huge respect for your spinning skills. I am a wool spinner, I've tried other fibers, too, but hemp and linen are hard core. They can really dry and crack your hands. You have the technique down, though, that's clear.
So all three of these ranged weapons are used in the universe of the Ranger's Apprentice series written by John Flanagan. The bow is of course the main weapon of the rangers in the story, but some of the girls have chosen the ranged alternatives for their preferred weapons with Madelyn(Maddie) Altman using a sling as her main weapon in the sequel series of Ranger's Apprentice(entitled The Royal Ranger), and Lydia Demarek uses an atlatl to surprising effect.
12:18 i know how hard it is and the rocks goes really fast i made one.it's more dangerous to the shooter than to the target
First you only spin once.
Second you start with side arm, not over head. Until you learn the feel of a sling, overhead is too dangerous.
Third you practice w something like a rubber ball, not lead or stone.
Fourth the profile for proper release should resemble a pitcher's release, not an epileptic spasm.
Finally ALL weapons are more dangerous to the user than the target when you don't know how to use it
Btw I've used slings for years and never caused myself injury worse than minor rope burns on my fingers.
@@nicholashodges201 i just talk about persibal experience and used it how internet told me to with a stone and over the head. There is many times were i cape close to hit myself in the head with the stone and many many times when the stone came everywhere and sometipes in dangerous places
@@karvast5726 that's why you start with side arm release. If you flub you're going to hit your leg before you hit your head that way.
I learned how from an guy who did missionary work & learned from a shepherd.
People were Control-Atlatl-Deleting things millenia before computer was invented.
I've been making/throwing slings since the pandemic, and what I learned is that it's not about how hard you swing it. The real force you get is from the actual throwing motion. There are also different styles of throwing(I use the balearic style) it just takes practice to get the motion down, accuracy and distance comes with practice and also depend of the length of your sling.
That's why people spin before each shot. The momentum is used as the power source
There was only 2 things going off in my head.....
"SLINGERS!"
"JAVELIN MEN!"
"ADLADL"
Atleast translate yards to meters so everyone can understand how far that is. Also why use outdated length units. Use SI standard ones.
Love the video =) Keep it up!
A slight correction for you, while the solid spear thrower fell out of use in Europe, there is artwork and documentation depicting throwing strings or tassels on Medieval javelins that perform the same function. You can see an example on the Todd's Workshop youtube channel.
Its pronounced "AT- LATL" NOT "ATL-ATL"
Amazon would like to know your location
I'm excited to see a distaff for the hemp! Have you considered looking at current distaff spinners for technique? If you can get one handed drafting to work you'll be able to go a lot faster.
The multi spin sling is usually better suited to a longer sling, or possibly a sling staff. Also the 400 ft range is for volley fire where large amounts of slingers would be aiming at groups rather than single targets.
First?
Yes you are
Gg
Finally I've been trying for ages
how sad is this community that 20% of comments have to be about being first? like do these people have issues within them self or something? like what do you even win?
@@Dockhead mate its really not that deep and just a bit of fun