Inside the “world’s most humane” prison
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2016
- In Norway two prisons are using a pioneering approach to drugs rehabilitation which is now being closely watched by researchers from the UK to see if it can be introduced here.
Simon Israel has this report.
So the main difference between prisons in Norway and other countries is that in Norway they focus on who you could become, rather than who you were.
GameStach a
Excactly
Yeah I'm sure the murderers and rapists are gonna suddenly change right when they lay down on that cushy bed and strum their guitar.
True Murderes and rapists usually get higher sentences, but if they’re serial killers or serial rapists, they will most likely never exit prison. But as you can see, it clearly works.
The problem with most people is that they follow their feelings: ‘Surely a criminal has to be punished and feel miserable? They have to pay for what they’ve done’. While it’s very understandable to want that, if you, however, look at the the reoffending rates, that method of punishing is, paradoxically, the least efficient.
Drug using offenses should never be taken in the route of punishment, but rehabilitation.
Punishment only pushes people further into the rabbit hole
youre right, punishment for drugs like playing money I guess is ok but you should be looking to help them quit drugs and feel like they don't want them before letting them out
My view on drugs is simple. Use them, keep using them and die quick plz.
Help the addicts, but dealers and manufacturers of hard drugs should have steep sentances
Brendan Stanford no literally none of it should be ileagal in the first place
0:58 looks like Norway has some high tech invisible handcuffs
no japan invented that
Ghehehe.. yeah, he’s a guilty man 😏
@dora and friends more like Norway did... Nt
Yeah he should have cuffs on, he certainly does look like a pervert
you made me spill my tea! XD
Norwegian here.
Drug addicts gets treatment. Murderers get locked up, but they also get treated so they can contribute to society again when they leave. Serial killers or serial rapists usually get life in prison, but again they get treated so they drop their sadistic mindset or they get treated if they have a mental illness. As you can see, it works.
Thanks for the clarification. It's still pretty interesting though, how prisons in your country view their inmates like they're human beings, and at least try to treat them with a sense of dignity. Their crimes are obviously not condoned, but the people who committed them are still acknowledged as people.
@@eliesh3833 same for the Netherlands. We got that in a lot of west-europian country's. Drug addicts are very easy to put back in the society if they get the right treatment. If they are off the drugs, they could do good stuff. America will give them 9 years... Like that will help?
@@suipig8701 Well, that's the thing. It never does, it only worsens their mental state even further.
Wait, there’s a life sentence?
Learn to Fly In a way. The most serious punishment in Norway is 21 years. But some serious offenders are kept in prison for 21 years and at the end of those years they have to be determined “rehabilitated” before they can be released. If they’re not rehabilitated, they are kept in prison until they are.
do you rather want to spend 1$ once, or 0.5$ four times?
0.5$ four times, it’s a whole dollar more
you did not get my point, did you?
Even if it was 1,5 once it would still be a good deal. This is the difference between rich and developed
I don't get it
Get caught once 1$ or released 4 times 0.5$. Correct me if im wrong, that's just how i figured it
When people "commit a crime" its usually a sign they need help. I wish Americas prison system embraced rehabilitation instead of a mock Hammurabi model
yes as a somwhat of a criminal myself i can tell you that you will never get a criminal to become good by punishing him. you get there by listening and being kind. if you are nice to me i will be nice to you. treat us whit dignity and we will have allot bigger chans of rehabilitating.
i live in norway and knows this works well for us,but we are only 5,5 million people.usa has 360 million! so its almost impossible
they also have a bigger budget, they could afford it if only they had better management. they would also save money by the prisoners not going out into crime again stealing, robbing and murdering which would be a big money-saver...
Of course it costs alot to have a prison system like Norway, but 1.) The Sentences are often much shorter in Norway, you won't get lifelong for murder but 20 years, which, for a 25 year old might mean 30 years less, which saves alot of money, 2.) A lower reoffending rate means less people come back and need to be paid for 3.) Norway sends less people to prision in the first place, saving money and 4.) When inmates can use the time in prison to work on their behavior or to learn how to work in certain jobs they can add back to the society long term, which increases tax revenue...
It depends on culture... It works if you try to use reason to reasonable people...
To all the people suggesting that Halden Prison and other Norwegian prisons do not properly punish prisoners; the main goal is of course to rehabilitate and eventually release the prisoners back into society, however the punishment is in being removed from society. All these prisoners know that they are in prison, they are fully aware of the walls surrounding them, and when given the chance they strive to get on the other side a better person. That is how you lower recidivism rates.
Then that is not a prison. That is called a rehabilitation center.
Phillip Mulligan whatever it may be called, it does it’s job
@@ph11p3540 to overcome the primal knstinct of revenge should be something every society strives for
>however the punishment is in being removed from society.
The direct translation from the danish term for that is FreedomRobbed
As in your Freedom has been taken (Robbed/Stolen) from you.
And those cells are definitely still prisons, poor people, and weaker people (mentally, physically and such) live a far better life than what i can see in this video, i can tell you that much.
The point is not to hurt them. but to help them help society.
It looks like we have to have an eye on former school teachers...
prison furnished by ikea
I thougt I saw the bookcase Björn standing there, shining 🤪 Ikea is everywhere man. Everywhere 😏
Lol
Jossen yes but lots of people in Scandinavia have ikea
^^ well somebody had to make the joke, right? :D
Norway stole from Sweden
This is how America needs to handle nonviolent criminals.
Are violent crimes any different?
Cereal Killer yes?
contfeg kneeknew A radical idea: Make them stop hurting people. If you want to punish them more than you want to make them stop hurting people, it's ok for me, but don't complain about violence in the streets because you just chose away reducing it for punishment.
@@jmanner3430 *Serial
the thing is its not only that prison thats run like that in norway. the policy on how to treat prisoners in norway doesnt focus on punishment, but rather rehabilitation.
"its difficult to measure this prisons effectiveness"
i'd say 21% vs 55% re offending rates speak for themselves.
"this" so it might be that they haven't released any or only a few so you can't say how well that particular one works
Rtvcd we’ve been doing this for a long time, so yes, it works.
this prison is better than my house... xD
I want to be rather imprisoned in Norway than live in my apartment.
Music's Odyssey You're missing the point of this. The point is not to punish, but to rehabilitate. So that these people can actually live decent lives.
@@shawn4116 no it's to punish they did bad and they need to suffer the consequences
Alex shotU bro same af lol
@@Lebenspiel fucking same
americans have something to learn from this....
yeah, but in america they cant afford to do all this for their whole pirson population that is over a million
a crocodile but there can always be a start. A lot of the prisoners in America are second or even third time offenders. They treat them like dogs and expect them not to behave like them once they are let off the leash.
@@randomuser-vs3oe good point
I've been hearing these kind of talks, but I wonder if it can really work if it's used in the US. Having this is just kind of hand on the slap and the offender will just go back out in the world commiting more crimes. For what reason did they commit the crime they did? Is it due to an conflict between gangs? Financial reasons? And will these reasons make the offender reoffend after they get out of jail? I personally feel like these prisons work in Norway or Denmark because they have a much smaller population and things aren't as chaotic.
a crocodile well, the numbers are that high because u started the whole thing off wrong and people re-offend all the time once they get out. So the system only has it self to thank, re-offending rate will go down once the cycle is broken. Ive also heard people saying the US prisons earn money for people being inside them, so that makes the "afford" argument go out the window.
Thank god there's one country in this world that has some damn sense
Are you on crack?
@@danielacosta3440 possibly. Whats it to you.
someone commits a crime and you reward him by sending him into a nice hotel with free food makes sense.
@@miraakprinceofapocrypha7998 then you haven't listened to the video and understood what they say saying
@@miraakprinceofapocrypha7998 thats suprisingly more effective than any type of american prison system. This focuses on rehabilitation instead of punishment. These people walk out of prison ready for a new life. In america, they walk out of prison ready for a new crime.
I wish that we had this sort of system in Canada. Sad to say, our system is more about punishment and harsh conditions, rather than rehabilitation. I think many people get caught up with the expense, and don't pause to consider the cost to society when prisoners keep re-offending and harming themselves and others.
So you don't think pedos, rapists and child killers should face harsh punishment?
Not if you don't want them to kill more kids when they get out. Of course, you can keep them inside until they die, but that, even in the worst of prisons, would probably cost more.
You have no idea. Some of meals were REALLY good. Even the guards ate them. As oppose to vegetarian 2 meals a day meanwhile in Arizona lol
What? Your government just give a terrorist 10.5 millions. I can assume he won’t be bomb someone anymore. What a good idea.
Same. USA is worse
This prison is basically a rehabilitation program. I like that. They’re trying to change the bad in them into good so they can fit in society and live a normal life.
So they double the cost of rehabilitation (76,000 pounds on average compared to the UK's 38,000 pounds) and the reoffense rate drops by more than half in Norway compared to the UK (53% in the UK compared to 21% in Norway)? Obviously it must be a little more complicated than that but it's a promising statistic to show that rehabilitation is worth investing in.
you are ignoring many other critical factors that play into these statistical differences, and norway's reoffense rate didn't "drop" as a result of these programs, they simply mentioned the statistic completely unrelated to this program's implementation. To pursue creating a program like this based on that risky comparison alone would not be smart
A Giant Taco Monster The "point" is to keep them away from harming functioning society further, which I suppose this does too, just way more expensive without guaranteeable results. I wouldn't have an issue with the government making trial facilities in high-crime areas to see what trends appear in them over a generation.
A Giant Taco Monster I say not guaranteeable because more experimentation needs to be done to assess the opportunity cost before major implementation. I can see a very possible outcome being that a "patient" just agrees and pretends to follow along with everything to expedite his time in the system, then immediately goes back to his activities that present a more tantalizing incentive, knowing that he'll just be put in what is practically a hotel if he gets caught again. That, or the poor will find out they can commit small crimes and then get 76,000 pounds worth of free food and shelter.
you too. I've been looking around for some online think tanks for that purpose.
They said weak revenge and only strong forgive.
Well, what does actually require guts to do sometimes? It is to forgive somebody that have done something cruel.
I agree with that. I punish those who offended me, after that i forgive them :)
Rehabilitation is punishment enough
@@MjoedDrikkar It's not? It's rehabilitation.
@@tex4096 what is punishment? I think that punishment is getting stripped of their right to go where they please; which is stripped away in prisons where they focus on rehabilitation.
America should take notes from this country!
This is a perfect example of how important it is to treat the cause and not the outcome
all jails should be like this.
not for the pedos
@@joshuag5756 ?
I can definitely say this is a good idea for those serving nonviolent crimes. There is no punishment, only rehabilitation. For violent crimes, there needs to be punishment. Try convincing a mother who's son just got murdered that the criminal deserves this place to spend his sentence in. I'm all for this if it stays as a means of rehabilitating prisoners that have a moral compass that just needs re-calibrating.
AGREED
Evan Burdick maybe drug addicts whose only crime is being caught with drugs on them but everyone else can fucking rot in a small cell. Maybe next time you don't jack a car, shoplift or do something else you know is against the law
Justin Y. You should’nt agree to that....
Reaginic Wolf dude no wtf
Why are you all focusing on revenge
It doesnt matter what a person did
If you want that person to suffer then you are just as bad as that person...
@@rozzy3528 Faker daker
"Here we take away their freedom, but not their life."
This is a great prison idea.
People end up in this great place that is so welcoming and where everyone is so understanding of each others problems. Its like a neighbourhood where they don't have to worry. It shows them how great life can be if they reconnect with society instead of hide from it
I don't think this is a one size fits all type of program, some people can't and won't change, period. But, it's a great idea only if the rehabilitative ones are weeded out from the criminally insane. So far so good.
Not everyone gets the oportunity to stay there.
People can change if you give them a chance and treat them like you would like humans. You give them a change to change. To learn, to have other carriers other from criminal. Why are you a criminal? Most likely money. cause you don`t have quit school to early, or don`t find a job. Here they make you human instead of being treated like Animals.
I dont think everyone can lay off crime completely, but most can become better people
thats why we have court cases here in norway that determine what kinda treatment they should get.
yup the only criminals that can not be changed are psychologicaly insane. the rest of us are just brainwashed. show us a life of good and turn us to the right path and we will be beter.
Yo
Like if you watching this from Prison . . .
Tegan Naidoo xdxdxd
I’m snitching
@@ryaan935 Snitches get stitches . . . 😉
@@tman5926 Whoever made the rhyme did the crime.
-South Park
@@ryaan935 what you gonna gain from it
This is how prison should look and be like. Not the ones here in America with dirty floors and walls with nasty food and uncomfortable beds. Prison is for rehabilitation. All its doing here is making them more violent. This type of prison actually helps them
Prison should be about rehabilitation, not about punishment. Good job, Norway. You're doing great, sweetie.
No it shouldn't
@@zoomermench6563 typical American mentality
@@zoomermench6563 Let us see how you survive in a Norwegian prison
I'm norwegian not american
@@zoomermench6563 Hypocrite.
Average norway drugs user in prison is higher educated then the regular american
The biggest problem with the American prison system is that drug addicts, petty thieves, and drunk drivers are put in the same prison as rapists and murderers.
76k per inmate .... thats about the same as the US inmate average and there doing something humane. Bring this to the US.
us is 22k
BloodyNoSeProduction Fake News
@@jimmorrison348 Nope, its about 60k per year in Supermax prisons. In California the estimated cost rose to about 95k per year per prisoner. Source: www.encyclopedia.com/articles/what-is-the-average-cost-to-house-inmates-in-prison/
@@jimmorrison348 You can't compare maximum security vs. the average prison
dig6394 True! But if you put all California prisoners in a Norwegian supermax (like Halden shown here), you would save lots of money and get better results!
Norway > everywhere
Not Sweden
Pakistan > Sweden
Nah but Norway do a lot of things good
Ireland > Norway
Adam Campbell what? Are you smoking crack??
2:31 I didn't know Cisco from Star Labs was in a Norwegian Prison.
😂
should have given some context to the statement that they can get drugs there. it is for rehabilitation
Natirally it is an *extremely* low amount. It’s so they can get used to not having drugs, kinda like when you quit smoking.
While it may not be perfect, it's definitely a step in the right direction. I say we keep on doing this! Helping people recover from their problems before putting them back in society instead of throwing them in a cage and letting them rot is amazing!
I am so glad I live in Norway.
Yep lucky those cracks have a safety net.
I’ve been to the prison on school tour cause I live in Halden and we talked to the prisoners cells and we could talk to them. It was the coolest day of my life
And the crime rate will be even lower now that we are about to decriminalize all minor drug offences. More money available for rehabilitation.
Well cause their population is like only 5 million
@@brettholland7040 Smaler population, less taxes, less law enforcement, demilitarized police. Stop saying " Small population". It's not a plausible excuses.
@@brettholland7040 being only five Million also means No having the funds that bigger societys have 😂🤷
@@TheBingleichwiederda let him go, hes just a triggered american
@@emllik2155 you really don't understand prison in america
I wholeheartedly agree with this method
i lived in halden for 6 months and my sister who attended the high school there told me that her teachers would often have classes at the prison so the inmates who didn't have an education could get a chance to at least get a high school diploma. it honestly doesn't even sound like it's a prison when people describe that place.
It's good though. It makes life a whole lot easier for them when they get out. Why would they want to commit crimes when they have a good life?
Seeing the guard sit down and eat with the inmates, talking to them, is really cool compared to just beat them like in other prisons
"Cell" legit looks nicer than my freshman dorm
We have this system as well in Sweden, America should take some notes from Scandinavia.
Moa ღ They would never do that since the whole point of US prisons is to not rehabilitate so that they have repeat offenders they can profit from. The US prison system is geared towards profit and there is no profit without prisoners which is why some people get 10 years for shoplifting.
@@justjoel245 I'm gonna fix this for you, private prisons are a small portion of the U.S. prison system, privatized prisons don't get payed for how long there's a prisoner in them but for how many beds they have that are filled. Plus the government doesn't know how to spend money right, they don't try and cut off things that are not important, one of the many reasons the USPS is always loosing money, the government can't make a profit, you privatize things the government has and they'll run smoother and cost less. Saving the tax payers money.
Moa ღ I prefer to have criminals locked in a cell and be deprived of human dignity especially if they commit horrendous crimes
I prefer having as many people out on the streat working and paying taxes instead of sitting behind bars being punished.
@@hampustoft2221 but that's the problem, they did a crime (theft, robbery, murder) and know there in prison you shouldn't try and make there stay fun and enjoyable because they tried and steal someone else's earnings. You do the crime you do the time.
As a Norwegian my self i love watching these videos its like America havent heard about human right before
We pretend to know what human rights are. We’re a “do as I say, not as I do” society. Meaning we’ll tell other countries all about human rights while we do nothing to practice them.
America "the wonder land"
But in realty its wayyy worse then we think
The prisons here in Iceland are the same as in Norway expect we're smaller and fewer inmates. A life sentence over here is 16 years.
America should really take notice to this technique!
This is a school, not a prison. This is rehabilitating criminals, teaching them - not punishing them.
I knew it was Norway
They have full music studio and get free guitar lessons
Norway is making the worl go ‘round.
This shows that everyone can change
Except their victims lol
6:40 This has to be the first time i see a correction officer and the interviewer sitting at a table next to inmates enjoying a meal together. Looks like normal life. Kudos 👍
I kind of wanna go to Norway now, it’s so chill.
Of course, no one is going to want escape!!!
Bring it to the UK and poor suds who have just been sanctioned would be fighting to get in.
It's like a spar rehabilitation centre that the celebrities use. Why would you want to escape a holiday camp.
But seriously though. The Nordic model works. Look at most empirical evidence, especially the recidivism and murder rates, and you'll probably reach the same conclusion.
Plus, not everyone gets into these prisons.. they don't waste their time on people who don't need it. people trying to get in, because their life is worse on the outside, so they do something horrible.. will go to another prison.
You can transfer to these prisons if you are in your last 5 years, but only if you are compatable and show that you want to change.
I was in jail in Denmark for a fight. I actually had a good time, but I wouldn't want to go back. It's embarrassing to tell co-workers, friends and family that you are going to away. I had nothing to worry about while I did time, and that gave me time to reflect and think about the way I was living my life.
Btw danish jails (for smaller offenses) are very similar to what Norway are going with.
Looks like a bloody paradise not a prison... where do I sign up?
Astemhat
Whoat
Not so fast. First, you'd have to be certifiably insane. Oh wait...
Norway doesn't have an official religion. Most people are atheists or at the very least do not practice religion.
Astemhat Norway has mostly atheists
@@chiuansheng No, actually, you're a fucking dumbass, this is for people who have committed non violent crimes. Do your research before making ignorant comments.
6:45 guard and other inmates sharing same table during their meal is so odd to watch
When the jail cell is nicer than my bedroom.
People in developing countries such as India would dream to live in such conditions.
whatever dude
Their living area is so much better than my home
Well India is much better than what you believe!
Zahid ali Is it true that if you go to india with money from the US you will be rich their?
I don't think you know very much at all about India
lemme go rob a store i'd love to live there...........
chiuansheng Halden is not a prison for the mentally insane. This is a maximum security prison
Norway is such a beautiful place man
Moral of the story: if you’re thinking about going down a path of crime, move yourself to Norway before you get started. I guess think of it as an insurance policy. 😆😆😆
80% of the people in USA prisons could have gotten community service
"Stole a cookie, got life in prison.."
Retired: Sentence me. I will cook.
Honestly, if the crime rate after being in jail is 22% and the uk's is 54% then they can do this and save money.
As usual, Norway revolutionalizing
This is a drug rehab facility for criminals. Not a prison. These people clearly aren't psychopathic murderers. They're just addicts. I'd love to see them do this kind of shit with real violent criminals and see how humane it stays.
They do have murderers there too (i live in this town). Did you see the video of the island prison where they live completely open where they talk to a guy working with a chainsaw - turns out that guy chopped up his victim with a chainsaw...
If you are truly psychotic you would end up in a psychiatric hospital.
This is maximum security, they have rapists, murderes and all kinds of bad people
This is a great idea. You are sent to prison AS a punishment, not to be punished further. The gangs and free-for-all mentality of prisons in America are very real, enough for released prisoners to develop PTSD and to have an extremely skewed view of reality compared to the real world. You're always on edge and on the defensive because if you let your guard down for a second you could have all of your possessions stolen or you could be jumped and beaten by your fellow peers. It hardens criminals and prevents them from growing or rehabilitating, which only means that sooner rather than later, they will be back in prison. The scene from Shawshank Redemption where Brooks is released and he chooses to kill himself because he doesn't know how to live in the real world speaks volumes to how prisons in America were, and still are run. Too many Americans have this "wild west" attitude where all criminals need to be locked away and treated like lesser human beings for making a mistake. It's absolutely the wrong way to think about criminals, because no happy and sane person goes around committing crimes. There's always a reason behind their behavior, and addressing and solving that reason means they will be less likely to repeat crimes.
It's about who of the prisoners would people have as a neighbour and a person who lives in our society. Would you have a rehabilitated, schooled prisoner, who can get a job much easier, or a non rehabilitated, and angry prisoner, who might have learned about doing heavier crime from other inmates? I chose the first. I live in Norway, and I can easily see that the system works (here in this country at least). I know it works very well in other countries that use similar models as Norway.
I would say the main reason a lot of other countries don't try this is simple: cost. By the video's own admittance, this method is extremely costly. You can't just put one these down anywhere. The proper paperwork needs to be filed and the right people need to be notified. Along the line your detainment method will NEED to be discussed and not everyone is going to bite. Whether out of desiring to cut corners or genuine concern that it will not work. Imagine you are mayor of a town and this is put in front of you, with no guarantees that it works except for tests in a country culturally different than your own...you would be taking a risk no matter how you slice it. Remember that with ANYTHING, one policy does not fit all. Country size, political views, ethical views and economic views always come into play. For now at least, it will be difficult, if not impossible, to justify this kind of prison in other countries. I would LOVE this kind of prison, but I have to admit it seems a bit of a long-shot.
The only thing that is needed is less inhumane treatment for your prisoners. NOT putting weed users in the same prison as murderers and killers. Let them have a tv, let them have something and then you´re there.
4000 inmates thats only 0.181% of the jailed inmates population of the usa
thats not fair if you watch it like that.. Norway has way less population.
3:50 Notch, is that you?
Every country should learn from this not only America and the prison isn't perfect but much better then any prison I have ever seen
And this is why im more terrified of a ticket then to end up in jail. Prison is chill here
bye mum im going to norway
Ok son! Be safe out there
We need more of prisons like this in the US
No wont work!
@@zoomermench6563 prisons that will help Instee of punish
that prison looks better than my room
I saw this shared on facebook not too long ago with the caption "I might just go to norway and kill someone" and the beauty is, the real punishment the prison would give would be to teach you how horrible what you did was, and allow you to live your life freely with that guilt. Best prison is your own mind
hmmm makes me want to go to jail in norway now
That’s one of Norway’s max security prison. I’m proud of my country
GuttenRaknes ! I hope that's sarcasm, your country as well as the whole continent are full of pussies
@@newnamesameperson397 Yeah the whole European continent is a bunch of pussies.. Do you know how obnoxious and ignorant you sound?
America is the only continent with smart people, god bless America.
@@newnamesameperson397 jeez dude what's ur problem
@@newnamesameperson397 success breeds jealousy
it knows what its trying to achieve is a very powerful line to me liked
Wow... The best thing I came across today... Good job Norway... 👍
You must he very dumb!
This is some quality stuff worth to watch ... !! Not only Sweden guyz.... Even Norway , Finland and Denmark has the least prisoners... Let's do some Math...
Finland's Total population :
5,600,000
Total No.of Prisoners : 2884 ...!! That's just 1 out of every 1942 people...!
Sweden's Total Population :
10,000,000
Total No.of Prisoners : 5630
That's 1 out of every 1776 people....!!
These facts spit some unbelievable Truth that You can any Human Being in this WORLD only if you're ready to give your time to change them....!!
Swedens population is 9.99 million, not 5.3
@@sorendk1 ... Got confused with Norway... 😬
Well that looks like a big happy family! :D
I am so much in love with the idea of this humane prison. This type of prison is what the entire nations on earth need to build in their society to help correct human psychological distorted path which originally triggers human error or mistake leading to mishap, crime, prostitution, murder etc. We are all human with unfortunate inherent animal nature that needs to be controlled. This inherent animal nature cannot and never be eliminated from human psychological mainframe. It is evil to punish but far much better to correct with rehabilitation. The best procedure is voluntary premeditated confession of the criminal mind before a mishap. This requires a different setup.
I was there and it was amazing. Had the opportunity to work inside ringerike fengsel. Amazing. Halden was great. They provide a trade for inmates. Many career choices to choose from. It was a kinder environment. The CO’s are called contact officers and try to motivate and mentor the inmate. They can have a meal together. They can play a video game etc.
6:24 that's a cool shirt.
That's it. Just felt like pointing that out
I would rather be imprisoned I norway than staying in my little nasty house.
What is not mentioned here is that you still have to commit every day to a schedule, so you have to work for the food you want to buy at the in-jail supermarket (yes they have that too). So add work (chosen by the inmates themselves), school and therapy and you got a lot of things to go through before you are released back into society.
But yes, it is still preferable to pretty much any other super-max prison in the world. At least here anyone has a chance at leaving as a better person than they where going in.
@@malcite Dumb a*s. These are criminals! Criminals don't deserve a better life! I bet you'd br saying otherwise if one of your family members were thebvictim of these cold blooded criminals!
faith in humanity restored
If anyone know the answer to this can you reply, is the time for a crime in jail in Norway relatively the same for the same crime in other countries
Damn Scandinavians are doing everything right!
It works I guess...
I live in Halden and i've visited this prison a few times :D
It's hard to believe Cambodian and Norwegian prisons exist in the same galaxy, let alone on the same planet.
Egos get in the way of a healthy human person. If a person can separate from their two selves ego and true being the less likely they would do harmful things to oneself. The gentleman who says he can get cocaine is speaking through his ego. He displays facade not who he really is. Its a protective mechanism. 🌎 Norway is right on track as far as their approach to rehabilitation.
some people would go to Norway and commit a petty crime just to get in that prison lmao.
You Would Get Deported Back To Your Country Of Origin Unless You’re A Citizen
If Norway thought the country had inhumane prison facilities they would not deport.
Law
*Inki Gaming* There was an American who comitted a crime in Norway about 12-15 years ago. The Norwegian justice system refused to send him to the US to serve his sentence. Cause, the Norwegians deemed that the prisons in America does not meet the min. requirement. So he served his sentence in Norway.
Space poor people do that all time
Its incredibly weird a nation like Norway. Every single idea and approach they have seems like an obvious way to set themselves up for failure, but against anything and everything, their approaches seem to work. Instead of fixing something directly, they like to fix things indirectly through treatment and not by punishment. These out of the box ideas look like the best in the long run and I sometimes with the US tried something like it.
US is slowly but surely heading in the same directions. A lot of American prison staff have been to Norway to get inspired.
Glad I'm from Norway!👍
I can definitely see how America’s system can be harsh, but we need too, for reasons I don’t feel like explaining right now, but in my opinion the only thing I think we should change is what gets you sent to prison. Drug possession, selling, or use shouldn’t get prison but rather a special prison for people who have done things like drug abuse (basically addiction rehab) but than of course murder terrorist acts and things should definitely get prison time. But at the end of the day it always comes back to “if you can’t pay the time, don’t do the crime”
What are those reasons, I'm just curious. If you have enough hatred or are in a place so low that you rob or steal for example, being locked up and treated like an animal is not going to help them. It's going to make them even more angry, it's going to make it harder to get back into a job or rehab. Prison in the US does not help people get better, only worse. This is in part by design, as prison makes a lot of money for a lot of people.
People who rape, murder, and commit acts of terrorism are different however. Anyone can agree with that. But to the people who couldn't get their life together and then commit a crime, jail time does not solve that.
Aiden English prison isn’t meant to help you necessarily dude it’s ment to punish you that’s something a lot of people just don’t understand for some reason
Except wouldn't it be better if shoplifters and the like would be rehabilitated rather than punished? You go to prison, your life is fucked. No one wants to hire someone who's been to prison, even if it was just a nonviolent crime like shop lifting. Because of that, people who get out of prison end up having to go back to crime just to have a bit of money to afford food. It creates a cycle that does nothing but make the issue worse. If prison were reserved for violent crimes like murder and terrorism, and non violent offenders such as drug users or robbers were rehabilitated, and could actually get a decent job after they got out, then re offense rates would likely drop.
+Y0DA MODZ It's SUPPOSED to rehabilitate you. It can't just be about punishment. The punishment is the loss of freedom. If you don't rehabilitate, then you're just throwing them back out in an even WORSE situation. Now, what got them sent to prison in the first place, is exacerbated by the loss of whatever job they had, loss of their home, and friends. Now they have to find a place to live, with a record. They have to find a job, with their record. They've lost any possible contacts they had. They've lost whatever little money they had. So what are their options after leaving prison? American prisons have plenty of faults. They are nothing more than a crime school. It needs reform. Not to be like Norway tho....
We can't argue with the results, but I personally don't agree with this. The Norwegian gunman who killed over 100 people and literally got 20 years or so in prison for his crime. He even has normal rights inside the prison, and better quality than the average house in fact. He even felt no remorse for what he did, and did not regret doing it. People like him deserve to rot. But this is just my opinion.
He killed 67 people, not 100.
He got 21 years prison.
Abraham Lincoin said: the moral measure of a civilization is in Its treatment of enemies.
Likely more than 21 years though.
Very nice, lots of Ikea stuff. I saw the Malm 2-drawer chest and Brimnes bed with night stand.
To be fair if they adapted this in the USA the prisoners will take it for granted and continue to commit crimes cuz they know that prison ain’t that bad and they go nothing left in the outside world so there’s no guarantee if they adapted this in us its gonna change anything and it might change but the chances are slim that somethings gonna change