"Underneath It All Is This Devil, A Demon" - Freedom From Abuse CEO On Child Killer Lucy Letby
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2023
- Lucy Letby, a nurse, has been convicted of seven counts of murder and six counts of attempted murder of babies in a neonatal unit. She has become one of the most prolific child killers and serial killers in British history.
Letby is likely to receive a whole life tariff and there may be further investigations into other suspicious deaths and births under her care.
The motives behind her actions remain unclear, with speculation ranging from a desire for attention to potential undiagnosed mental illness.
CEO of Freedom From Abuse Marilyn Hawes comments on whether alarms should have been raised sooner on the former nurse.
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The hospital managers need to be held to account. The consultants in the neo natal unit flagged up their concerns many times but were ignored by the managers . They cannot be allowed to get away with their incompetence.
Its worse they didnt want the unit to get a bad repuatation and loose their jobs...so they covered up. Investigation soon.
@@johnlowe3050 in this leftie culture of protecting people who don’t deserve protecting its never going to be the last we hear of this sort of cover up culture its going on all over the globe
They need to be prosecuted as well as accessories after the fact. There is evidence they assisted in the later murders by refusing to take any action when concerns were raised. They belong in prison.
Did they really think she would not get sussed?...WTF has common sense gone?@@johnlowe3050
They were warned in 2017 and it was all smoothed over by the NHS
She is probably just one of the 'everyday psychopaths' who are unfortunately very difficult to spot. But they are everywhere in society.
She's not a psychopath, she has symptoms of munchausens by proxy which includes narcissism and sadistic traits now no psychopath would ever break down and write a weepy confession that they did which means she possibly has borderline personality disorder along with it.
Psychopaths are goal oriented and fully aware of who they are as human beings and with respect you only make the widening understanding of mental health worse by just labelling everything that isn't you as psychopathic.
End of the day. A monster.
@XY-dd5nz using her erratically written notes you find disturbed identity and sense of self and the extreme emotional dysregulation found in bpd and you'll find that DANGEROUS AND IMPULSIVE behaviour is actually a prime indicator of it. Murder is both dangerous and those who repeatedly commit it become compelled by impulse to feel the same power they felt the first time around as that is what serial killing is- an expression of power and dominance.
Now No one is diagnosing her child but if you attempt to speculate it must come from a place backed by data and reasonable conclusions drawn from accurate said data so Relax and get off your high horse for a awhile.
Yes you’ll find in all the abortion clinics
But she was spotted and nothing was done until far too late
Hospital managers need to be investigated. Why they let all this happen despite of concerns being raised.
A less academic qualified manager with higher moral standards would of been better at the job
This management power trip is a feature of upper management everywhere. There needs to be a huge cultural shift in which knowledgeable professionals are respected and listened to ALWAYS.
give me them a pay rise
Female HR, many reading will have met these harridans.
Those senior managers need to be sacked or maybe convicted as Accomplice because as they are aware of all the multiple reports but did not do anything about it, which encouraged the Murderer to do it again.
Doctors and specialists knew but the management threatened them to keep quite. How the hell can that happen?
Why aren't there cameras in babies areas?.
I know, from experience, that NHS Trusts will do anything to avoid expensive Tribunals and she had threatened to go to one. Well, I hope the Trust has deep pockets because I expect the bereaved parents to sue the hell out of them.
The hospital managers need to be sacked and never allowed to work in any such jobs again
They don’t have money for cameras. Only for the high up manager’s salaries
because thats how the UK works
She was not under the radar. The hospital managers wanted to exercise power and control. Shocking.
I think she meant to say 'off the radar' as that fits in with what she was saying
I hope senior managers if found guilty get custodial sentences, these murders of little babies could have been stopped sooner.
they hide behind the corporation
Agree the hospital managers should be held accountable & their pensions in the millions should be distributed to the bereaved parents, esp the babies who survived after LL harmed them have got life long disabilities
I can't believe that one of the doctor's who complained about Lucy Letby was forced to apologise to that horrendous nurse. The management needs to be held to account.
Those managers should be made to publicly apologise to that Doctor!
its lucy not lisa
@@opticalman6417 Thank you!
7 doctors had to sign a written apology
Aye. That made me feel sick. God knows how he felt / feels.. knowing she's a psychopath..
Those managers need to be charged and jailed
They take the salary
dont forget that she is evil for killing these kids.
Class action lawsuit against the hospital director and owners
How anyone could hurt a sweet innocent defenceless baby is just unthinkable..pure evil.
I don't think anyone would be able to stoop any lower than that.
Dr Gibbs admitted he murdered one baby. Lucy wan't there then! But she was accused anyway, and found guilty.
Never judge a book by its cover. She seems sweet and innocent, but inside she's a demon.
She may have a demon but she is not a demon.
I look good and I am also a demon.
Reminds me of my ex. 😞
Isn't neo natal stressful job since anything can happen that causes a baby collapse
You only say she seems sweet and innocent because she is a white woman. You would NOT be saying that if she were black or arabic because white culture groomed the world like pedos groom children into believing white culture is better or more civilized than others, but it’s NOT. American whites love painting black people as the ultimate boogeyman even though whites have committed the worst atrocities in the country and show up on the news daily because of it.
An anonymous phone call to the police.
An anonymous email/txt/phone call to the NMC.
Any of the doctors/nurses could have done this.
Watching babies die like this - raising it to managers - being ignored. Call the police/NMC. You dont have to put you’re name to it.
If you want it investigated thoroughly, then everyone's identity who is remotely connected with the allegation will be taken by the police.
Yes just call them for goodness sake it's outrageous
It doesn’t work like that.
I have been tortured in hospital by sadistic charge nurses
It happens to weak disabled senior adults as well...a lot more often than you think. Always covered up by fellow nurses
That is so shocking.
It's horrible how they treat senior citizens, let alone a disabled one. Heartless, is what they are. The cover up makes it even worse. I'm so sorry this happened to you. You didn't deserve that. Nobody does. ❤
Yes. Experienced it too. Fk the NHS and the UK.
Yes I witnessed abuse by a charge nurse towards an elderly gentleman. It was threatening behaviour, warning a patient that was obviously upset about a situation but was in no way a threat to the charge nurse. I tried to intervene but was told to stay out of it. Anyway nothing happened but making threats towards a patient that clearly is of no threat to the nursing staff is unnacceptable behaviour. The charge nurse in question had an alcohol problem and actually died fairly young due to alcolism, and should never have been given the position he had. If you haven't already reported your abuse at the hands of this charge nurse, you should do it now, it is never to late and he may have done it to other people. These kind of individuals need to be brought to justice.
@@Binaural_Alchemist have had similar with a nurse albeit overworked
Maybe security cameras hidden in these children’s units would help prevent this happening again for to long. The trouble with a lot of managers they don’t care.
Very good idea
She was just a nurse with sick motivations to begin with. NHS management enabled her to become a serial killer. Don’t try to portrait her as the sole evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil (1Tim 6:10)
she was already evil . accept it
EXACTLY. Lucy Letby has illustrated that evil does not exist unless it is actively and systematically ALLOWED TO CARRY ON! these Managers MUST BE PROSECUTED AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO BE EMPLOYED ANYWHERE UNLESS IT IS TO CLEAN PUBLIC TOILETS UNDER STRICT SUPERVISION OF ROBOTS.
How is that relevant at all. She certainly didn't do it for money.@@johannagrace7768
the system is been govern by darkness with their serpents
Bureaucracy prevents organisations from getting rid of incompetent workers let alone terrible ones... More likely she was born a psychopath; psychopaths, unlike sociopaths, are able to follow social conventions when it suits their needs e.g. holding down a job, starting a family, having friends, smiling etc.
at last someone who gets it.
Exactly
Why go to university for years to become a paediatric nurse, then get a job caring for vulnerable neonates and go to all that trouble only to start killing them off? It’s beyond bizarre. I just can’t get my head round it.
it really beggers belief doesnt it, but i cant help wondering if she planned this years ago, to find a profession that she could go under the radar. i really hope not, but maybe its a possibility. She makes my skin crawl.
As a women expecting my first baby in December I am frightened. There are people like this hidden everywhere, as much as there is good people, evil is unavoidable. It really does boggle the mind. No doubt they’ll be a Netflix documentary about her after they’ve done several psychiatric evaluations.
@@bbj4613 anxiety is normal when you’re expecting, but if it gets really bad speak to someone. My daughter was born a couple of months after Madeleine McCann disappeared. I was terrified from the moment she was born and wouldn’t sleep on the ward for fear someone would take her and despite living on a top floor apartment I was scared someone would break in through the window. People like Letby won’t help this kind of anxiety. I wish I had gotten help for my mental health back then. I didn’t realise I was such a nervous wreck until years later … congratulations by the way ♥️
Iblis
Was it a way to carry out her evil plans?
We had a case in Holland, a film was made about it, where a nurse was wrongfully convicted of killing patients. After her conviction a professor and researchers showed it was statistically impossible that the nurse, Lucia de Berk, did all this. It was a very serious mistake by prosecutors. They never even made those calculations. In contrast with Lucy Letby, Lucia wasnt present at all deaths. The fact Lucy was there every time a baby died or was wounded by her hand, itself is strong evidence. I want to know why Lucy did this, it is horror and incomprehensible.
There were total 15 deaths during the period. She was charged with 8. One case was dropped, so 7. They may have collected only the cases where she was present and said ''Look! She's always present!!''.
Of course she was present for all of the cases she's charged with. They couldn't charge her if she wasn't there!.
There are 7 other deaths that she wasn't charged with. If she wasn't present for those deaths, it means there were no natural deaths while Letby was working. That's very unlikely because she worked very often and worked long shifts.
That would mean that created 'murder' cases around her presence.
So we must know the full statistics. But we didn't hear the statistics about those other deaths and her presence during this trial.
Also we keep hearing in media ''she was present for all the deaths'' Simply not true. Ask yourself if it's a mistake.
@@CraigLearnsKorean From what I have seen, Lucy was present every time a child was harmed. I cannot post screenshots here to show you, but look it up.
@@SladeLIt's certainly not true. Every case that was selected to be in the trial? Sure, but the prosecution do the selecting. 100% that during that period June 2015- June 2016 there were 15 fatalities. She was charged with 8, one dropped. If something said that, it's misleading people. The media are saying it too. That's why so many people are repeating it.
so in this Dutch case, who did it?
@@valuetraveler2026 The 'it' or 'murders' never happened. Her name was Lucia de Berk. Easy to fit theories in around medical cases. Especially when there is no proof required for the theories to work. ''Air or something was injected''. ''some liquid'' unspecified no test results. Can you see what's going on here?
I think the persons who are really being punished are those parents who lost those babies. My heart truly goes out to them. Imagine they could have had difficulty conceiving & gone through ivf. And for some it may have been their last chance. How sad
One set of parents who had twins had gone through IVF. One was killed.
Yes, even the parents whose children survived will always be dealing with this. The haunting thoughts every single time the children have anything wrong with them or they experience any illnesses, anxiety, mental or behavioral issues - these might not even be related yet, the families cannot know what is or isn’t wrong due to this horrific abuse.
**That’s the TL;DR**
One mother spoke of one of her twins. They were both attacked by Letby. One has night sweats and she worries it’s somehow related to what Lucy Letby did to her child as a tiny baby. Her other child is even more significantly affected.
The mothers will live with that anxiety and PTSD (it is, really). She has to carry that for the rest of her life. The guilt of not knowing in time to save her babies.
She didn’t even know about the insulin poisoning of one of her Infants until detectives came knocking! The hospital outright covered it up and lied about the infant’s condition.
She knew that her other baby suffered an attack bc she was still in hospital when it happened and they called her and the father bc they thought their baby was dying. He was. He was finally miraculously resuscitated after 30 minutes. Half an hour’s time AT LEAST of being without heartbeat or oxygen - with doctors doing continuous compression on his tiny little chest. After whatever cruel torture Lucy inflicted on him. While Lucy stood by watching coldly from behind another nurse.
That father will always carry it - he’s having seizures from the stress and anxiety of the trial. The trauma of his infant sons.
The other nurse was completely distraught and she knew it wasn’t normal or caused by the infant’s condition bc the baby was healthy until then. She kept crying out, saying “I didn’t do anything!” As it’s natural to question oneself and wonder why, when the baby was fine and healthy a few minutes before. Maybe Lucy also suggested that it was the nurse’s fault.
Lucy didn’t express anything. She had successfully framed the other nurse by pointing out the baby’s distress to her to discover, when that nurse was in charge of the baby. Asking her “Don’t you think the baby looks pale?” In a covered bassinet under a deep shadow in a dimly lit room. Although Lucy was standing further away from the doorway than the other nurse, who saw nothing abnormal until she turned on the lights and pulled back the hood of the bassinet. The doctor noticed that.
That nurse, as well has to live with that experience, that guilt that shouldn’t even be hers.
Mothers always wondering what might’ve been different or exactly how her babies were affected.
Then, there are the children themselves, who carry this with them. Some who will always be significantly affected by the trauma. All their lives. They will go on to have relationships that are affected. Who’s to say where it ends?
Except for Lucy Letby. The most guilty of all out of the others who didn’t suspect or ignored the signs and warnings from whistle blowers. She was the sole cause. The baby killer.
They all have to live with it. Not Lucy. She doesn’t even admit she did anything wrong. She didn’t show a sign of even regretting that it happened to these babies, no grief. She supposedly was so attached to them she sent sympathy cards, insisted on being present with the families who had to come to terms with sudden deaths of their newborn babies. She insisted on carrying them to the morgue. She was the last person to hold them who knew them in life. She took home charts to put in a keepsake heart-shaped box. She searched for the parents social media hundreds of times, on anniversaries of the babies deaths.
Yet, she didn’t she’d a single tear for them in court when their suffering was recounted in depth. She did cry - she cried when the court was shown a photo of her own bedroom that she wasn’t going back to. Decorated to look as pristine, innocent and virginal as that of a little girl’s room. She cried for herself.
Also some of the children who survived are permanently disabled from her attack
Yes it's a nightmare for the parents...to know that someone could have stepped in and saved most of those babies. This case has really affected me, a stranger,so I cant even begin to imagine the agony those parents have to endure.
@@-Reagan I think it will create mistrust for life. Every time their baby needs to see a nurse or do something standard like take immunisations, they may be really feeling anxiety & fear thinking thoughts like ‘what if this nurse is injecting a killer drug in my child?’ It’s screwed up for life
I am an adult male and am sheding tears at what has happened to those babies i despair
Everybody who was involved at this time should, at an inquiry, be interviewed UNDER OATH!
Prosecuting managers is must. Managers believe they are not going to be prosecuted and thay covered up and enableed her crime. Managers enabled her to do all these crimes. They are equally guilty and have to be locked for life like her. Managers are scum and equal criminals. Managers are psichos like her. Similar goes with similar therefore managers were covering up and believe no one will prosecuted them. It has to stop. Put all these managers in prison for life to stop crimes.
Exactly, they are equally guilty & must be prosecuted.
There’s a clinic in Arizona where the doctor, nurse and clericals harmed the patients and stalked them and framed them. Until this day even with evidence I have not found a lawyer that wants to take the case
This is disgusting! How was she still allowed around those babies after the first allegations 🤯
Because evil (managers) support evil.
I worked in a private hospital and reported a senior nurse that was a bully of the highest order who was watched by the hospital for 6 weeks and a report made was sacked and escorted of the hospital grounds and guess where she turned up NHS hospital 16 miles away where I worked. How and why I couldn't explain.
Just like the Chris Watts case, Letby's angelic, 'normal' countenance totally belies the horror she was capable of: trust no-one.
How long before 'trust no-one' becomse 'kill everyone'? Perhaps (assuming she really did it) this woman thought she was killing devils before they could grow up and become a danger.
TRUST NO ONE
It is terrifying that psychopaths are walking around in public, and they're often the ones we least suspect.
It is like she felt relief after each death, instead of self harming she harmed another. These poor babies were her ultimate scapegoats, maybe to do with the married doctor not leaving his wife for her. Tiny babies couldnt tell on her so they were a safe bet.
I wish we had capital punishment still, not for revenge but rather because she is too dangeous to ever be released.
I cannot imagine how those parents feel, the nicu is supposed to be the safest environment and best hands to leave your baby, instead of peace of mind, they were put in hell.
All it needs for evil to succeed is for “ good” people to do nothing
Aaah well said
Cameras everywhere apart from where they are needed
Yes its disgusting
@@Ajhc73 it is i mean they should have it so camered up nobody can get away with doing things like this same with old peoples homes etc look how much abuse goes on there
@@petersmith2522Why not just increase the competency of hiring high quality staff instead of putting the most vulnerable under 24 hour surveillance?
@@Paulstrickland01 because its very hard to tell if someone is bad without previous recorded history that they are bad i think places like that is places i have no problem at all that there are cameras that is good use of cameras
@@petersmith2522 exactly and I’ve come to the conclusion they’re not so abuse can take place without being noticed
This is so creepy. My neighbour could be a serial killer. This world is so scary ...
Yup... She's crazy...
Well I'm frightened by the cemetery across the road, a ghost could be having sex with me right now and I'd never know. World is crazy for sure 😁
Do not trust the smiley, young, white lady, who waves at you from now on.. She knows society overlooked her in terms of evil , while they look for darker skin tones to point the finger at.
I've had crazy neighbors who were physically abusive and stole stuff from myself and then moved out...but the one that's really pathological is right under me as I'm on the 2nd floor. He's been, as I believe anyway, trolling me online since day one...I even let his loony wife use my wifi for a year. I can't actualize it but things have happened for years. I'm kinda crazy too over these neighbors that I put in as a realtor. We've been fighting over stupid sh for a few years. I think it has more to do with nosy sociopaths hacking into wifi and bluetooth because I was dummmm enough to let them use it. Crazy thing is they seem very beige, kindly and / or normal to most people. It's why I was comfortable letting them move in my building.
The Consultants and doctors should have gone to the police; far too much deferrence towards managers, bishops etc.
If the doctors and consultants had gone to the police they would have been accused of being sexist, harassment.
At this point I’ve lost all faith in modern medicine and the nhs .. I’m going back to the old ways that served humanity and kept us alive for thousands of years.. and weren’t pumping us full of chemicals!
The CEO and upper management of the hospital need to get long jail terms, society must make this exemplary.
Poor parents, imagine finding out your new born was now murdered years after the event. Just an awful new level of grief.
I will say it again put cctv cameras in ALL places where there is vulnerable children and adults and bring back the matrons on hospital wards...
Because, of course, Matron would never put a foot wrong 🙄
@@sallywright8065 what a vindictive little response... 😏
@@missladybug319
You think that’s vindictive?! I think you’re a little naive to think that Matron is always going to be an angel!! When we entrust the care of our loved ones to nurses and doctors we are, to all intents and purposes, placing our trust in total strangers. Lucy Letby was apparently an angel and look how that ended. Matron is only a title that we give someone, it doesn’t elevate a person beyond evil intent!
@@sallywright8065 who said Matrons are going to be Angels, no one knows anyone at the end of the day, but having a matrons around who are usually mature and experienced to over see the function of a ward is more likely to yield another layer of authority for any future concerns to be escalated too, you seem to be a bit over offended by my comment, did I touch a nerve by any chance or do I have a valid point you dont like, because its proven that the 'Managers' are the least to be trusted in this case.
Like Irma Grese, a young girl who wanted to be a nurse but due to the war joined the SS and was one of the worst monsters as a concentration camp guard. Monsters lie beneath the surface.
*Death. Penalty.*
So, what would happen to all those people convicted of murder who are later acquitted?
@@joebish6629 Only when there's DNA evidence and cast iron proof, such as that letter of guilt that was found...It's time to hang.
Barry George.
....wasn't a serial murderer, with DNA evidence nor admissions of guilt letters found. @@octagon12011
The caring professions have always attracted sadistic people. Lost count of how many suspect nurses I've come across in hospitals the last 50 yrs. There are many more out there, most of them are low level sadists.
Facts
The doctors should have told the police. Report to crimestoppers anonymously at the VERY least. Suspecting someone is killing babies and doing nothing? How dare they.
The doctors did what they could. It was the hospital executives who neglected their responsibility to conduct a proper investigation. If they had done their job the first time the doctors raised concerns, she would have been caught much sooner.
How dare they? How cheeky are you. They were bullied into submission. You have no idea.
24 Hour Video Cameras needed in all Baby Units....
Absolutely the managers MUST be held accountable. Problem is with the managers they are cocooned in their offices away from "ground floor" workers..... Too comfortable in their own environment and unwilling to do the work they are paid an extortionate amount of money to do..... Can't be bothered attitude. High and mighty and too far removed from the "actual" workers. Blinded by their own blinkers. Disgusting. They should ALL Be sacked and put in a court of law to answer for THEIR crimes in this situation.
You canNOT say that because some one has a “middle class (English🤔) background” that they are less at risk for mental health issues.
Yes you can say that because they have
-better diets which massively effects mental health in a variety of ways
-they have more money to meet their needs which means they suffer economic stress less than others
-they generally live in higher quality areas surrounded by comfortable spaces to explore and grow up in
-they're generally better educated which helps the brain stay active and alert
-they generally have a better social circle and family ties which all MASSIVELY EFFECT your mental health (just for boys alone not having a father strips their DNA telomeres by upto 25%
There's massive factors to how these things effect someone's mental health. She's not speaking judgementally she's speaking empirically.
Marilyn Hawes has hit the nail on the head here- unremarkable and sinister - yearning for attention- Lucy Letby should rot in prison-this is sickening- my heart goes out to the families of those innocent babies
Convicted in 1993 . Still in prison now .. she has been there for 20 years ? Me thinking its 30
I wish Bull would stop relishing in his own celebrity and see some of his patients.
It’s the most bizarre case ever .. a normal girl in every way .. why!? Beverly Allitt was clearly odd but this woman is chilling because it came out of nowhere! My heart goes out to all the parents who lost their beautiful babies .. just heartbreaking 💔
What was odd about Beverly Allitt? She was less attractive than Lucy Letby I suppose but she duped people in the same way.
It didn't come out of nowhere. Please look into the parenting
but if she had killed the babies inside the mother she will be totally considered innocent and not a killer. This world is crazy.
That’s totally different. The mother wanted and planned to have a child.
Don't be stupid. You can't tell the difference?
Beverley Allitt has been there 30 years NOT 20 years!
And what a waste of taxpayers money that's been. Simple death penalty of bolt through the head. Quick, effective and a damned sight cheaper than keeping such an evil person alive. DEATH PENALTY, that WOULD be justice.🤬
……and she should remain there .
Who cares as long as she stays there!
There is also a desperation in this country to get nurses to work on the nhs. Shortages mean that the calibre of nurses isn’t good. They know they are in demand. And can get away with things and sadly in this case murder too.
Its making me think take my chance and die instead of going in a hospital its scarier than illness as far as I’m concerned
Codswallop- 99% of nurses in the NHS are amazing..
It's just as bad in the US. The quality of the nurses is abysmal. You are so right about this. The doctors aren't any better, either.
@@LDiamondz they’re not right about this though ☺️
@@PeterPeach21 99%?? Have you been around the country to every hospital to see how every nurse works? A lot of the foreign nurses don’t give a hoot. Can’t generalise for everyone but the quality of nurses is poor. And there seems to be a lot of decisions that are delegated to them by doctors. Is that right when it should remain with doctors?
Just breaks my heart.
To kill innocent and defenceless newborn babys
Is soul destroying...
The top management need to face justice ⚖️...
They let this demon nurse to contine with her ill and evil works.
Whilst they in reality didn't care.
As long as they were continuing to live their high life and living the 'Dream'
As they say...
Damn and curse and the wrath of the Almighty be upon you
Managements who are at fault......!
Wake up to all family of patients everywhere. This stuff happens all over .If you have a gut feeling about something with the care of a loved one , do not back down make yourself heard. Do not blindly trust.
God bless our babies in Jesus Christ amen.
whose jesus??....
Why is it every time someone commits an evil act we cry mental illness. Why do we need to medicalise wickedness?
When a white person commits heinous crimes, they are mentally ill and when a non white commits heinous crimes, they are criminal. The double standard is absolutely disgusting!
@@user-qv3jk5eh3f a white person on Britain?
because sadly its become part of woke culture
All those who threatened the doctors should be made to apologise to them and made accountable for their inability to act in the best interest of the babies.
Why weren't the managers cut out of the loop and the police called by the doctors. Authority protocols working against the good of patients and allowed a murder to go unchecked all because doctors were told to do so by some bureaucrat.
We need a national debate about toxic femininity, expecially when the majority of infanticides are carried out by women.
It's rare, but definitely a female dominated crime. Just look into the past at women hanged for serial infanticide. In NZ, a woman killed her 3 children.
Personally the managers who were told about this evil woman should be taken to court themselves, it's seems incomprehensible that doctors themselves informed them that there was something wrong with her way back, so in my view they have blood on their hands just as much. It just goes to show that managers think they are above listening to mere "peasants", even though these "peasants" have years of knowledge and first hand training under their belts!! Nom managers are getting too much above themselves, now they should all be reigned in and accountable!!! Plus I really do think that lots more CCTV cameras should be installed in places of high alert like neo natal, dispensaries etc.
Psychopaths and sociopaths lack empathy and any regard for human life, I doubt it was a "copycat" its just that sociopaths have the same traits in my opinion
I don’t trust anyone who works in abortion
I’ve worked in Social Care for over 30 years... many many staff are naturally uncaring yet jo public assume they always are
In safeguarding procedure the attitude it could happen here should always be adopted! Those hospital bigwigs need to be held to account also!
Didn't even know she'd taken trinkets of the victims 😮.very dangerous individual.scary
Brady, Hindley, Huntley, Allitt, Black and now Letby... 100% guilty in each and every case. I don't give 2 hoots if it's a deterrent or not - i care that it's a worthy punishment.
I used to work in a prison and those given life sentences soon adjust to their situation. They simply adapt to the loss of freedom and make the best of what they have.
Difficult to adjust to being dead !
Well said Marylyn. Straight to the point.
NHS. Why do we pay for this. There's no majority. You either care or you don't!
Managers must pay too!!! Omg!
Those hospital managers faces need to be put on TV and in the papers.
The punishment she will receive won't even be a fraction of what a crime of this nature constitutes
she won't get out of prison
Other inmates will feel like us all....solitary could be her life. One lapse and that will be it.
I'd say actual life in prison avoiding every screw and every inmate who's out to hang the serial baby killers head on their wall is perfect punishment. I want her every moment plagued by the same fear pain and suffering she caused those babies.
Her parents are also serving a life sentence now.
They are already old 76 & 62.
They may as well be dead now.
Any chance of a happy end of life for them has been destroyed by their evil daughter.
@@MySteaming why are they in prison?
It was the management, senior, that ignored and brushed off concerns of senior medical staff and told them not to make a fuss, why does this woman keep stating that senior managements concerns were ignored??
So what is the sentence for 7 counts of murder in the UK? About 15 years?
Managers, also known as Common Purpose Graduates, will cover each other's backsides.
The problem with statistics is that the longer a staff member works, the more the numbers will show their presence. Lucy was on shift for all the selected deaths she was charged with, not all the deaths that occurred on the ward. However, Lucy did lots of overtime. Correlation does not prove causation. Who else was consistently within the sphere of influence around each child's health downturn, and by that, I mean, who (other nurses, cleaners, equipment technicians, doctors, administrators, managers) was on shift before or with Lucy. The case has shadows. I'm not clear beyond reasonable doubt. An appeal and further serious journalistic investigation would be appropriate. It would be tragic if Lucy's innocent... and a real killer is breathing fresh air.
What about all the trophies she kept and written information she kept.
@maarg1111 The note could equally be evidence of her heart felt shock that babies died - self blame, self anger, self accusation. It could represent her clearing her shock after a death. Regarding the trophies, the fact they were named "trophies" by the prosecution/media is disgusting as it leads the jury to think of some of the darker TV murder series.
Personally, such a strong correlation between deaths and her rota would suggest she was being set up. She may have had an inkling of this, which prompted her to keep notes of the cases where babies died. I think the case is unsafe.
I agree that the case seems unsafe.@@heather333
@@heather333 You've got a point here ...
@@heather333set up by who? Why would she write that she killed them on purpose? Guilty of mass murder
She's not a copycat. She was trained as a nurse, like Allett and knows this is the easiest way to kill. Why can't these arseholes work that out?
hospital management should be prosecuted
After two babies dying in her care, you would have thought an investigation would have been done. Clearly, the hospital management were either naive or plain incompetent.
I think the question everyone wants to know is why. She probably won't admit it as she'll likely appeal her case, but when it sets in that she's going to be in prison for life, maybe then she will.
This is why we need to respect science - in this case maths.
In every suspicious situation, Letby was there. Now she worked forty or so hours a week; with the hospital giving twenty-four hours a day care, this meant she was there only a quarter of the time (forty into one-hundred and sixty eight).
So the chance that she was there in the first case would be about one-in-four.
That she would also be there at the second as well: one-in-sixteen.
At the fourth? One in two hundred and fifty six.
Sixth suspicious event? One in about four thousand. This is about the time you call the police and forget about this nonsense of someone not looking the part.
Eighth? Six-four thousand to one. It's now almost impossible that it's a coincidence.
Twelfth? Roughly four million to one.
i"m not great at mental arithmetic, but the point is that the numbers soon become astonishing, and warrant a police investigation of her quite early on.
Heads need to roll , management need to be held accountable otherwise nothing ever alters
UK is fucked.- These people run the show now. They will take everything until there is nothing
These things are not rare. It’s because most never get caught. It’s been going on since the Victorian times and still going on. 😒
Thumbnail is scary
It’s a little unfair, gb and talk have a habit of this
The hospital is to BLAME, ANSWERS MUST BE GIVEN AND PEOPLE MUST BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE LAW! 😡😡😡
Both the top management and Lucy are absolute demons.
And let's not forget Doctor Death...aka Harold Shipman, from the UK. Thought to have killed around 250 "patients". It's happened before.
She’s talking facts 💯 👏
The problem is that recent world rejected spiritual life and demons. Get her to an exorcist and you will find our either she needs deliverence or visit psychiatrist
What a lovely piece of speculative nonsensical journalism. Bravo Talk tv!! BRAVO!!
Why is it that the crazy eyed old woman looks like the real demon...?
Just thinking that. 🇬🇧
Management are culpable and should be tried and convicted (10 yrs minimum) if found guilty in a trial by their peers of gross negligence to act to prevent MURDER in a "health care" facility by simply suspending her w pay until conclusion of an investigation by police after multiple experts (doctors) all sounded the alarm about the same nurse.
There is some method in the madness with serial killers. As in male serial killers for the most part kill women, women serial killers kill children.
There seems to be some kind of intense resentment of societal pressures. The man expected to be the protector of women, as women are seen as the protector of children.
Whereas most people who reject societal norms - will stay unmarried or won't have children, there are certain people who believe they have to be 'normal' even though they are anything but. A contradiction that seems to throw up all kinds of mental imbalances.
The societal pressures on some rare individuals cannot be overcome either because of background, or a contradictory personality.
Letby being a deviant personality trapped in an ordinary shell. She would've been better served by being a homeless junkie or prostitute, or some gangster's moll - but normalcy pushed her into a search for respectability.
A contradiction that seems to lie at the centre of most serial killers personalities'. Deviance cloaked beneath a need for approbation from one's peers.
Which in a sense is a grossly exaggerated form of a common character trait, that is the person who wants the normal, respectable life for the sake of appearances while at the same time despises normalcy and turns to drink and drugs, or illicit sex - to live a deviant double life.
Of course a nurse being a serial murderer of children is about as extreme as a double life can get, but we shouldn't believe that such extreme deviance is that far removed from more standard forms of deviance. We're ultimately talking about the same spectrum as the politician who smokes crack and takes part in sadomasochistic orgies, or the unassuming estate agent who becomes a soccer hooligan at the weekends. The double life not as unusual as we like to believe.
Are you all absolutely sure that this woman is guilty of the heinous crimes she was convicted of? Today's NHS, with cuts, outsourcing and backdoor privatisation is a place where bullying flourishes and it is easy to be viewed as someone who does not 'fit in'. You then become a target for scapegoating and witch-hunting, where you may be accused of malpractice and base motives. It is then easy for your persecutors to obtain circumstantial 'evidence' of your guilt from multiple sources, all of whom are conciously or unconciously willing to play their part from the 'script' presented to them by those in authority. The logic of this is that if someone joins in pointing the finger at the target, such a staff member is less likely to have the fingers of others pointed at them. They are also more likely to be seen as a 'team player'; someone who is competent and has the right attitudes; someone who will keep their job, and maybe also be a candidate for promotion.
Maybe her detractors are right, and Lucy Letby is a psychopathic killer of innocent children. Or maybe, just maybe she has merely had the misfortune of falling foul of the somewhat sinister group dynamics operating in organisations under the pressures that the modern NHS finds itself subjected to.
I agree with others here, these managers have to be held to account, some of the stuff that's coming out about this is shocking, they can't just get away with this surely
We are all capable of unimaginable things.....under the right circumstances.
That is not true for everyone. Speak for yourself.
Rubbish
Hospital Managers should be investigated
My heart really goes out to the parents especially the mothers. I couldn't imagine the pain they are going through after growing a baby for majority of a year only to lose them unjustly like this? Completely devastating.
Excatly well said. These creatures are everywhere in every profession in plain sight and very much under the radar.
Think about how Alec Murdaugh and his father were able to walk into a hospital, have contact with the boat crash victims and no one kicked him out. We need reform
The old bird in the thumbnail looks like the _real_ demon 😳
How odd that only one person has been imprisoned for this litany …
It does happen in a lot of work places
Break something so you can fix something
Happens in all industries
The consultants ought to have gone directly to the police. Hospital managers are given far too much power and respect. They're not professionals and are there to clean the Trust's reputation beyond anything else.
I don’t believe for a moment that she was born this way. Her family only had the appearance of normalcy. Obviously only in hindsight, in light of her true character and behavior. It’s a bit more than I can go into in a YT comment.
To say that she is a proverbial “Bad Seed” is a dismissal of factors that actually cause this. It is a simplification that serves no one. Not to identify the risks or prevent it from happening. Not to identify someone who is already antisocial - a sociopath with the psychopathy to kill. It’s not a fairytale wicked witch.
Just because it’s difficult to comprehend or identify, since it seems so senseless. There doesn’t seem to be a root cause we can point to, like we readily identify horrible physical abuse from a young age. It doesn’t mean there’s nothing there to see and we should stop looking.
My heart goes out to these children and parents. It’s sickening. If we can prevent it happening, again - at least stop it early enough to save victims - then, we should keep looking for the causes, signs and symptoms.
I see now how hard it is to believe that someone like Lucy Letby could do such things. A lovely looking, young, bright nurse from a seemingly idealistically healthy, normal upbringing. Such insidiousness is almost incomprehensible.
There was no history of crime or misbehaviour, nothing brought up in this trial suggests a history of abuse from her family. She lived a perfectly normal middle class existence, which makes me feel sorry for her parents too who are innocent in this, and she's their only child.
The only thing investigators have been able to point to that would possibly suggest a motive was that among her written notes she stated that she was growing concerned with regards to her age that she'd still not had kids of her own, that she'd also failed in attempts to seduce a Male crush at the hospital, and that she was taking it out on these happy young families as a result for having what she wanted.
But even this has not been conclusive and has been dismissed because it's circumstantial and theoretical, and neither the concern for her age or her crush on the Male doctor featured prominently in her many writings.
I don't think we'll ever know why she did this.
She was born evil
@@darthpepe2994maybe that's the reason, i.e. she felt she couldn't have what she desired so she took it out on those who had it (children, marriage, happy family etc). Who knows.
@@leen1q84 again though; she never elaborated on this enough to suggest it was bothering her, most of her writings emphasised the guilt for what she had done, not about why she was doing it. It's really just circumstantial and theoretical. However it is the closest the investigation came to a reason or motive. Unfortunately there's only one person who really knows for sure, and she's still denying everything.
Some people are just born bad.
In a country like Australia there is a rule that no one adult professional such as Child care worker should be left with a child alone. There should be another adult present. So I wonder why in a first world country like UK, they can't have that? Why leave kids alone with 1 adult nurse?
An excellent point has been made here. We like to think that we can spot the people who commit terrible acts of evil, but the reality is that they look just like everyone else. It is often the person you would least suspect. Why? Because they invest so much of their efforts into grooming you into being complicit.
I’ve realised how despreportianate judgemental we are we are all cowards we realy are we all do bad things
@@matalostodos what are you on about I’m talking about people in general not the victims or they families we are so judgmental everyone who kills is evill or disturbed and I’m saying not not necessarily at all we can’t judge people full stop the media do that quite well