Forensic Psychiatrist Says Lucy Letby Didn’t “Intentionally” Leave Notes As Evidence
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- The trial of Lucy Letby was told police recovered a number of handwritten notes from Lucy Letby’s home after her arrest in July 2018.
On one note shown to the jury, headlined ‘Not good enough’ she wrote: “I will never have children or marry. I will never know what it’s like to have a family” and “I can’t breathe.”
TalkTV’s Dr David Bull and Nicola Thorp are joined by forensic Psychiatrist Dr Sohom Das who gives his verdict after a detective allegedly suggested Letby left notes in her home ‘deliberately to be found by police’.
Dr Soham says he strongly believes that “this was something she intentionally left to be found”.
#lucyletby #talkradio #talktv
And to think those suspicious Doctors were forced to make an apology to that baby murderer is beyond perverted!!! Hospital management should also be held accountable for their crimes!!!
There is no proof that any baby was murdered. FACT
There is no proof that Letby did anything wrong. FACT
The doctors (now consultants) that reported Letby to management were, at the time, junior doctors in their first year. They were inexperienced and, understandably, panicked when faced with an unexpected increase in deaths.
Managment are right not to allow inexperienced, junior doctors to blame nurses when things go wrong. Have you heard the term 'killing season'? It's the measurable increase in deaths that occur when the latest crop of new junior doctors are let loose in the wards.
If Letby is later proven to be innocent (I think an appeal is likely), should the doctors that pointed the finger at her be held accountable for what has happened to an innocent nurse? What about the police? The Jury? The media? The members of the public that joined the pile on?
jayaram & brearey should have gone to the police as soon as they felt something was wrong!!!!! maybe they both were involved in the babies deaths in some way!!
@@solomansoundsThe murderer's rancid father had contacted the head of management accusing the drs of bullying her and demanded a written apology to his spawn or he was going to report the drs to the highest medical authority.
By writing the apology they kept their jobs and were able to be independent credible witnesses. The management ignored their concerns which allowed the murderer to continue. The drs also were able to prove what she had done to the babies and she is now where she belongs. Watch the detectives account of their investigation.
@@rightherethereeverywhereWithout evidence the police could have done nothing about her. She was put on admin and the killing stopped.
@@solomansoundspolice wouldn't have been given proper access by management. The doctors aren't at fault here.
I agree she doesn't have a mental illness. We need to stop blaming heinous acts on mental health. Some people are just evil and make evil choices. There is no explanation for it and there is no excuse. She's not insane, she's a monster.
I totallyagre!
SS; Here, here. Letby is just evil, stop the "mental illness" excuse!!!
I get what your saying but at the end of the day how do we know she’s not a pysocpath
@@stephengoodrum821not all psychopaths are murderers and not all murderers are psychopaths. Even if she had a personality disorder, such as cluster B (antisocial personality disorder) it wouldn’t excuse her crimes and she’d still be locked up. People with ASPD walk among us everywhere though. They are not all murderers and not all go on to commit crimes. It is very hard to diagnose as very few of them would ever admit there was anything wrong with them (unless they could benefit from it somehow)
😢 very true I get a family who struggles with mental issues and a nice person
its a shame the presenter mentioned schizophrenia so quickly when there is absolutely nothing about lucy letby that would indicate schizophrenia. It just proliferates stereotypes that schizophrenia is linked with murder and terror. Its such a misunderstood condition.
I know some one with schizophrenia, he struggles ever hour of every day. Its akin to being in a nightmare you can not wake from. He also would never dream of killing anyone, let alone a baby.. What an insult to those with genuine MH issues.
Yeah. People suffering from it are terrified most of the time and horribly scared.
Talk Radio/TV are not renowned for allowing intelligent people on their show. They mostly host mediocre halfwits with one or two bright exceptions who manage to break through. THey are a channel which purports to be on the side of the people but in reality they are deep state actors working on behalf of the big corporations designed to get members of the public who oppose the cabal onside and then steer them in the wrong direction so they do not become an effective opposition to the establishment criminal mafia that runs this country
@@emmsue1053 You can't predict his actions, just like you can't anyone else's. Most times someone does something far out, "everybody" they know say:"I would never had thought..."
@@CONEHEADDK I hate to agree. Wicked wicked world we live in. Hope God protects us from bad thoughts and bad people.
We lost a brother during the first wave of covid and no one was allowed in the hospital, all his personal items , phone wallet ect were stolen from his dead body on the ward, we asked for someone to investigate and we’re told we would get a phone call……we did from a financial manager who told us to accept £100 or they would protect the NHS and keep us in court for years ,honestly that’s what was said at that horrific time
Omg such a bastards!
OMG, STEALING FROM A DEAD PERSON HOW LOW CAN SOMEONE GO
No they never, they would never say that
Who do you think did it?
@@vinny6967highly likely they said that. Not specifically that phrase but between the lines they probably implied that.
Her actions weren’t missed, they were ignored! We live in a world where because someone smiles and performs for the world that they are good people. If these institutions the police and the NHS actually listen to staff and patients, instead of brushing them away, we wouldn’t be here. Lucy Letby is not the last person to be like this in the NHS, many are still employed because they ignore peoples concerns and justified complaints!
Yes, ignored by an unaccountable, effectively privatised "trust", yet this propaganda outlet questions our public institutions instead.
People complicating this the management allowed these babies to die by not taking immediate action. I work in a caring setting once a complaint is made the person is immediately suspended until an inquiry is completed. It’s fucking simple
Yep! 💯 as it should be when you are dealing with vulnerable people. It sucks if you are innocent but priority has to go to the patients. End of.
NOBODY went to the police. This was a team effort. Jail, all of them.
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yah something kinda off about these tragedies. it’s bit underhanded since nhs taken over privatised by US
Exactly i have never known management to just ignore
I beg to disagree. She's a psychopath. She was aware of what she was doing and she did it in a calculated cold-blooded way without any guilt, empathy and remorse whatsoever. If that isn't a psychopath then I don't know what that is.
Agree
Exactly. Well said.
Exactly. She really enjoyed herself.
She made a career out of it.
She's killed and damaged so many more. They just caught the tail end of it...her campaign ramped up as she was getting away with it for so long.
Look at all the compulsions of serial killers. It accelerates like an addiction.
This is the second guy to said that she isn't psycho. Why are they trying to make excuses for her. Is she from a powerful family or something? Its also like they are treating her like some undercover agent. Too many offcials trying to pardon her crimes. The math ain't mathing.
Just remember pal when you judge others you are sentencing yourself!
I reckon she became increasingly arrogant and careless. She thought she was untouchable. Especially after she manipulated management to caution Dr Raj the consultant paediatrician and forced him to apologise. I’ll bet she really got off on that. We’re looking at the ultimate narcissist.
I’m with you. They found the incriminating evidence after her first arrest and subsequent questioning. When they released her I think she believed she was successful in fooling the cops and continued on in her obsessive behaviors
The mugshot of Letby shows something called ‘chirality’ where each side of the face shows a different emotion. The left half is sad the right half is imo smug. Whole face is total evil.
She didn’t attend the sentencing because she didn’t care or give two sh*** about hearing the consequences to her actions. She did what she intended and was probably joyous it lasted for so long. What we need to seriously look at is why she was allowed to go on such rampage against innocent and extremely vulnerable lives. Where was the monitoring, the double checks, record keeping and the due diligence to question why babies were dying without a serious cause, one minute they’re on mend making progress and next there dead. This was allowed to happen by those in charge whether intentionally or unintentionally which is an abhorrent negligence
lucy knew she would get a life sentence, so why should she give a flying fuck about what people thought of her? she was already hated by many with a 'lynch mob' mentality & ghoul like curiosity!!
another reason she did not attend the court was that rather than her harming the families with physical or verbal abuse, it was more likely that a member or members of the families might try to kill her in court!!
andrew malkinson was wrongly gaoled for 17 years! i wonder what his view would have been on lucy's sentence? bearing in mind she was convicted on circumstantial evidence & no witnesses to the so called crimes!!!
i believe she is a scapegoat & there is a cover up, which could involve doctors, jayaram & brearey - the latter thought to be lucy's 'boyfriend' from 2015 to 2016!, when she was alleged to have committed the 'crimes'!!
ps, how many baby deaths have there been since, in the hospital where she worked & did the police investigate those deaths?!!
@@normankennith79194000 births at hospitals she worked in are being studied.
Also, in court after the first couple of guilty verdicts, her mother yelled: I don't believe this (and something else) while bereaved parents silently wept. The judge didn't even kick her out.
The murderer refused to hear the other guilty verdicts.
@@normankennith7919Btw.
At the time 1 to 3 deaths happened per year. She killed 3 in 14 days. Watch the detective's video. Much explained. E.g. Some babies collapsed dying unexpectedly and instantly.
In normal circumstances a dr can determine a collapse may happen and bring in the babies parents. Collapse isn't instant. Not sure if it's lungs that collapse.
@@normankennith7919 Rather melodramatic, 'kill her in court'. There would be tight security in such a high profile case.
Regarding the point of how many baby deaths due to insulin poisoning (when the baby was not diabetic), air embolism (air injected into blood stream - non accident), fatal injury to liver unexplained, forced-overfeeding etc, within this small unit, no similar murders have occurred since Letby's imprisonment, according to NHS records and the trial.
Unless they are deliberately hiding the exact type of murders in that same small unit of the hospital, after the police became involved in the following years. Quite difficult, I should imagine. Unless you have other evidence?
lucy 'allegedly' killed 3 babies in 2 weeks!
just because a jury finds a defendant guilty, doesn't mean they are! ask andrew malkinson!!!!!
the deaths could have been co-incidental or accidental!
as i asked previously, how many babies have since died at the hospital where lucy worked until her arrest in 2016?
i believe there are 2 doctors, jayaram & brearey, whp know more than they are letting on!!@@manichairdo9265
She is just a pure evil, a bad seed that’s all, lifetime in prison is not enough!
£5k per week at the cost of the the taxpayer for the rest of her natural life. It will cost US taxpayer well in exess of £30m by the time she pops her cloggs.
Somebody in her jail should intervene and save us some money
I get the emotion expressed by your comment, but she is not pure evil, (that would be the Devil) people who give into evil are playing a part for the Devil and don't love God like they should.
Dr Das gives great insight in to Lucy, which all of us in our Society are struggling to understand how someone without any warning or history in her social behaviour could do something like this. It just means all we have been taught about criminal profiling needs some serious amending and that there must be more like Lucy Letby hiding in our communities.
Ocams razor - the most likely explanation is usually the truth.
The most likely explanation is that she didn't do it. When it takes years for a team of 70 investigators to come up with nothing but circumstantial evidence, and when the nation can't get their head around how to see this woman as a baby murderer - the likely explanation is....she's not.
From evidence I've been reading (circumstantial) the most likely explanation seems to be the babies weren't murdered. There's another case in another hospital where a similar thing happened. The babies were thought to have been murdered by a nurse and that's where police did all their investigation. But it was later proven to be a pathogen that had leaked from the sewage system. All the symptoms (including unexpected, sudden collapse) match with this pathogen. And guess what - a plumber testified that there were almost weekly visits to the hospital to deal with a leaking sewage system that was dripping leaked sewage water directly into where the babies cots were.
Well women are the largest community of child killers the world over.
Nasty little KHANTS eh?
people like boris johnson & the mccanns for instance!
thank you!1@@BGX5439
Bosses do not do enough to investigate complaints.
Let the post-it note’s speak for themselves. “I did this”. “I killed them on purpose”. “HATE”. “I am evil”.
Along side 'I've done nothing wrong'.
Let your low IQ interpret it that way.
Maybe she was fed up working and thought prison was the best place for her so she doesn't have to work
It looks like you are a child killer too.
Mind talk written out on pieces of paper of someone who might be very insecure, perhaps a little different. But these are words not statements or confessions of guilt.
You’ll wake up one day.
Why would a convicted criminal be given an option to not show up for judgement? That just sounds crazy to me.
I agree. It’s literally avoiding judgment.
It’s different in England. They’re more worried about the killers “creating a disturbance in the court.” It’s not uncommon in the states to just place the disruptive killer in an adjacent courtroom and send an audio feed of the proceedings to that other courtroom. England can do the same.
One more slap in the face to all the murdered children and protection for lucy letby, just shows the systemic system of protecting their own.
Think about it if you were in her position ,and innocent plus you have already been convicted by the media what would be the point . Do not forget in the same month we have seen a man released after serving 17 years for a crime he did not commit . If not bad enough his case should have been reviewed 10 years earlier .
But hey why not vent every ones spite and crucify her. One thing for certain the sheer hypocrisy of the affair makes me sick
@rolandhawken6628 did you not see her in the police station? Does she look like some who did nothing haven't you listened to any of the parents testimonials. How can you be so deaf, dumb and blind, she an Evil thing that needs to suffer.
I think she liked the buzz of it all and the sympathy from her collegues because she was always there when these ecents happened, she wanted to be told how good she was and how awful this must be for her to deal with this. I also think she loved the attention of doctor A a paediatrician who she became very close to she loved him their was notes shown at the trial that were written to him and also all the text messages they exchanged. He blew smoke up her arse about how good she was and she loved it.
I think the same way. She wanted to "be" a good nurse in crisis. She wanted to hear that more and more
You really look like someone whose thoughts we should value.
She was clearly framed. There's no physical evidence of guilt, this was an uncivilised witch hunt to scapegoat a working class white English woman for what was an institutional issue. Note that after she was taken off the ward baby deaths at the neonatal unit actually increased.
I think this is the true motive, I don't know why this psychiatrist didn't mention it. She clearly craved sympathy from people in her life and loved when people, particularly the doctor, comforted her. She killed the babies to garner sympathy from those around her.
@@ellea1449 You're forgetting one key issue. There's no empirical evidence, just a series of circumstantial evidence.
But you do realise it's unethical to diagnose someone you've never seen in your life?
Glad someone said it.
He doesnt diagnose her, he shares his hypothesis with the public, its different
Now you’re standing up for a killer… he’s never seen her but there is a lot of evidence of her behavior from the trial, so yes, he can paint a picture and speculate.
Yall shut up we are talking about a murderer. This bitch is evil
@@RationalNon-conformist standing up against an unprofessional 'psychiatrist'
I disagree, these notes were possibly done between the arrests. Lucy had been arrested twice.
These notes were planted as a planned mental illness so the police could find them at a later date then Lucy could use the mental illness as a defence.
Most women murderers use mental illness as a line of defence, look at the cases of Jody Arias, Lori Vallow and Leticia Stauch.
Lucy looking into Facebook at the berived families of the children (hundreds of times) just shows how sick and twisted she was.
I agree Lucy thrived on the pain and suffering of the berieved families, id even go as far to say she liked the attention of being the saving charriot running in to attempt to save the babies life.
But she didn't use mental illness in her defence
letby has been fitted up for this seems all a bit weak too me who knows for deff esp when nothing much has come out of letbys mouth in any news
The hospital should have different protocols if someone is flagged as suspicious then they should be investigated asap. The management did not handle this properly
This killer had no kids no partner no prospect of having a family she was depressed, she took all her anger and jealousy
out on the families who were having children her attitude was if i am not having a happy family then they are not either,
She then started killing the babies as they were going to get better dashing any hopes for the parents she also loved seeing the parents upset it gave her power that she could take away their happiness to be as sad and depressed as she was.
She was having an affair and a lovely home she had a gd social circle
She had no prospects of having a family....who says this? You never know what will happen in the future. It may come true but it may not come true. I hate these excuses
She was only about 25 when she did this. A young woman with lots of potential. That's what makes it strange for me. If she was some creepy 50 year old loner then I would understand.
I agree, I know she did murder the babies but i think they were just pawns in her sIck games, her main motivation was to destroy the parents lives
Jealousy too simplistic vile attention seeking narcissistic butter wouldn't melt personal scary really
Management never change. I left management as I couldn't take the toxic behaviour anymore and I couldn't be like them. I tried to speak up for other staff and myself against other Management members but we were always wrong 🙄
Management has always been about covering your arse, making everything look good and hoping problems go away.
@@chrislim7976 Working with management gave me a lot of stress and bullying. Slightest thing I did wrong they jumped on me and reporting me to HR. It was ridiculous. I was doing jobs that they couldn't even do and they were picking fault when there meant to do the job themselves as well
Worse is. UCL my son was misdiagnosed and sent home with serious eye infection he could've lost his eye sight when I made a formal complete the management protected the male doctor. Thank God Royal london hospital treated him.
And this happened twice. One of the asian doctor said to me he hasn't got exp in the children's department and hus hands were shaking to examine him so I told him
"if your not confident, don't touch my son"
Bravo for leaving! You have a conscience!
Were they protecting the doctor or protecting themselves? @@gpal4843
The way he describes her sounds like a narcassist. Many, many people have that, its unfortunate but common
Everyone's labelled a narcissist these days.
@ClaireGarrard No, not everyone. It’s about 16% of people who have NPD.
@ClaireGarrard Then what is she?? You tell us.
@@ClaireGarrard That is true. Often, what the person means is that the person is self-centered or selfish. They do not mean Narcissistic Personality Disorder. NPD, Sociopathy & Psychopathy lacks empathy. They are sadistic. I, too, think she is NPD.
@@RationalNon-conformist HG Tudor (on RUclips) has done an excellent in-depth series about her, explains what she is and why she did it. Recommend.
How people are expected to listen to a TV presenter that looks like a barbie doll and thinks he is always right, it's embarrassing 😂
I believe he was talking about the Ken doll on the left
Lost me at “Toxic Masculinity”
welp, poor unfortunate unattractive "psychologist" has yet to lose his V...so he likes to traditionalize women as "virtuous" and not promiscuous ...so therefor LL isn't a psychopath. He's a loser that likes to gratify himself by calling promiscuous women psychopaths. lol
Totally agree with reasons for not forcing offenders to attend sentencing hearing. This can be used to further distress victims and family of victims. Why give the offender the opportunity to grab all the attention again
Maybe they should force them to watch it from a cell and not be able to switch it off...
What’s with Barbie and Ken on the sofa today?
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I think her parents will need professional counseling , it’s a ghastly situation for them.
Get this straight. The police are not there to protect the public, they are there to protect the rich and their political masters. If that happens to coincide with helping the public, so be it.
Well put
They like to keep the chattel and serfs in a semblance of order, ignore or barely deal with enough crime to keep them in fear of crime to give a sense of dependence on the authorities but not enough for it to affect them. Like the massive crackdown after the London riots and the mass robbery recently, or when other Elites get robbed in the posh parts of the City. Having that happen outside the slums is unacceptable, having the extraction of wealth and sense of power affected is unacceptable.
Kubrick had it totally right with Clockwork Orange.
I dont agree.
I don’t agree either. That’s a very sceptical and warped view of the vast majority of public workers. It’s almost always the bad apples we hear about…and when we hear about public workers going “above and beyond” it’s “So what? They’re just doing their job”
@@heddaszczepanski9210 police protect a broken system that has failed over and over and over again.
"She's not a psychopath because she doesn't have the deceit"
"I think she might have enjoyed deceiving grieving parents"
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Psychopathy isn't insanity or mental illness. She's either a narcissist or a psychopath, these are personality disorders not mental illness or insanity.
a narcissist or psychopath isn't necessarily a personality DISorder. PDs are often from abuse/ptsd. Learn the difference Genius. Psychopaths are not mentally ill as they are just bad folks with bad choices and malignant traits.
Have you watched HG Tudor’s analysis of her on RUclips? He diagnoses her as a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies
Narcassist with sadistic and psychopathic tendencies.
Not promiscuous ? She was smashing a fellow married pediatrician and was extremely upset that he would not leave his wife for her. I mean to me this is quite obvious what her motive is.
you're as dumb as he is. he's saying being promiscuous is basically psychopathy. dummy
I think she took her own pain out on the babies, she wasn’t in a serious relationship, lived alone, childless, late 20s, I think she was jealous of what other people had, she hurt the one thing that couldn’t fight back and revelled in parents losing their babies so they would be hurt as bad as she felt, she had a twisted evil jealous mind
Your option ok but miles of the mark
I love lucy
A lot of women don't have a partner or children until their thirties, especially it they put all their energy into their work.
it is very baffing why she carried out these crimes? on babies,She was young and very attractive with a nice circle of friends from her childhood. Her Parents doted on her.
So if she found love, she wouldn't do it?
The same old wise words of the establishment. 'Lessons will have to be learned'. Well that will reassure the poor parents until it happens again, and it will.
They used the very same words after train crashes
Yes, management will be covering their backs more and more. Management in the NHS has to be one of the first priorities to be dealt with. They are a self interested body of people, who are overpaid and ineffectual.
She got pleasure out of seeing peoples reactions, pain and suffering, she would them try and give them comfort knowing what she herself had done, and was enjoying what she was doing. EVIL PERSONIFIED. Now she is set up for the rest of her live, comfortable cell, doctor oncall, not like the rest of us, waiting years for an appointment, good food, unlike the homeless living in a cardboard box in the street. What punishment is she getting none. Use of facilities, libraries etc., Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland.
I think that you have a nieve view of prison life. No disrespect. Losing your freedom for life in my opinion is the worst punishment.
Dear Person, Does this person deserve any respect after the crimes she has committed against wee tiny innocent babies. The rope would be too good for her. If the cell i is anything to go bye, it is basic, but comfortable. A lot better than sleeping on a cold winters night on the footpath in a doorway on a piece if cardboard, because their are no affordable homes to rent. I believe if you asked those would they like to spend a few nights in a nice clean cell even in a prison they wouldn't say no. We treet these scumbag murders too good. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland.
@@winifredthompson465 The death penalty would be in my opinion a softer option for a person who has killed babies than a life behind bars. They will never know when someone will attack, mame or kill them. I agree that a homeless person would appreciate a warm bed and regular hot food but they are usually not in danger from other prisoners and I doubt that they would want to lose their liberty for their whole life.
Good on her
I will get Lucy released
I think she was jealous of the parents. She had no boyfriend, lived alone and didn't seem to have any prospect of having a baby so she destroyed the happiness of these poor parents.
That's one point of view.
That is exactly my thoughts and she wanted the married doctor boyfriend and he wasn't leaving his wife ofc25yrs and his children
She was so jealous of the parents together and their new babies she's an evil cow
I’ll never get why people leave a written record of their actions and feelings about their crimes. I wonder if they actually want to be caught.
The papers were definitely left for the police to see. The content of the notes could incriminate her. She want to be seen as having mental illnesses problems so that she would be sent to a psychiatric hospital instead of prison. They were written during the investigation as a part of her excuses. She wanted to play the sick role.
When exactly were these notes found?
Perhaps she is not very bright, could also be an explanation.
She comes across as very articulate and notes where not found in initial searches is it beyond the realms that notes where faked to gain a conviction and if you where bullied by your boses God knows what that does to your mental health you start to question everything including your own sanity
@@fuchurZero
A explanation for what exactly?
@gloriathompson4010. Surely she'd have had to make a confession to the police first and then plead not guilty by reason of insanity?
Revalidation does not work. It just provides ev8dence of continuous training. It's a tick box and holds no beneficial relevance in discerning competence. Nurses have to complete this every 3 years. From personal experience myself and colleagues have complained about very dubious behaviour and harm caused by other nursing colleagues and it was swept under the carpet. Serious patient concerns raised from practice is overlooked. In 20 years I have on 3 occasions complained with evidence and several witnesses to management (ward managers, matrons and above) it resulted in myself and others being targeted for minor incidents with no consequence of harm being caused and the promotion of the accused on two of the incidents. Wistle blowing makes you a target and to this day the 3 major complaints made have only resulted in promotion and all 3 members of staff are still employed by the Trust 🤷🏻♀️
Is she guilty? She was convicted on circumstantial evidence. Years later, the Birmingham six and the Guilford four were also released, having been portrayed as monsters. As for not turning up to hear her sentence, why would she? Before the sentence there is a half hour tirade of abuse by the judge, why would she want to sit through that? She is convicted, but is she really guilty? Unless she later admits it, we'll never know.
I find it very concerning that she has been convicted despite there being no hard evidence that she actually did the things she has been accused of. I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm just not fully convinced she's guilty
I am with you on that
What about the notes admitting this plus all the circumstantial evidence ? she was on shift every time a baby died she was always around the sick baby even though she wasn't assigned too it she had medical hand overs at home etc you don't always need a body too get a murder conviction too many coincidents plus this all stopped when she is removed from the unit think the jury was right too convict
The law needs to be changed to make killers to be present to hear their sentences. However the law should give victims’ families and loved ones the option to choose to have them there or not. The power should be given to the victims and their families.
Very interesting! More of Dr Das please!
We don’t know the half of it.
I've never worked with so many people with chronic OCD as I have since I worked for the NHS. I can't fathom it but something about care work attracts these obsessive types.
Sometimes the work creates the ‘OCD monster’ in you too. My room at home is messy, but my patients’ bedsides should be spic-and-span and all drips should be labelled, handwashing regularly, etc.
Maybe that OCD is mistaken for due diligence!
@@aljack1979 No, it's a mental disorder.
@@aljack1979 That’s true! Thanks for pointing that out. People use the term Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) lightly but it’s a real DSM diagnosis. Maybe, the better term is OC tendencies/personality.
@@furryfury. Obsessive types are highly dangerous. They have to control everything and to murder someone is to have the ultimate control over them.
Nicola, you should do your research better, she owned a house!
house was very quickly sold.....
I see that on Rightmove! Looks really nice. Did she own it outright?
Nicola probably doesn't understand the concept of women being financially independent.
@@jacobburtonswfc She was a band 5 nurse with special training and her parents are wealthy.
@@Chrisallengallery Looked it up on Rightmove, looks nice inside but I certainly wouldn't want to live there as it's always going to be tarred by this story.
Excellent guest and points raised. The Consultants reported their suspicions it was the Chief Exec etc who messed up. There needs to be a robust outside complaints system for managers not simply drs…
Why do we say she was playing 'God'? GOD is good snd kind. The Giver of Life. She was playing Satan.
Exactly, God is good and loving. Her name is Lucy as in Lucifer the devil.
Good?! Are you high?! God is a sadistic kid with a magnified glass on an ants nest. Don't blame satan, he didn't do this ffs
@@rainy.d7404😂 You're so dumb its amusont5
I’m a practicing doctor and one of the things I am not permitted to do is comment professionally on patients I have not treated. Perhaps this doctor should consider if he is displaying signs of narcissism himself.
This psychiatric assessment is ridiculous..he has never assessed her in a clinical environment..he's basing this on newspaper reports?🙄
Extremely unprofessional and I pity anyone who is a patient of his.
First, this is not a psychitric assessment. What's discussed here is Dr. Das's best guess as to what could be the possible motives given what has been made public about the case. Dr. Das is UK's leading Forensic Psychiatrist, I am sure he knows what he is talking about. 2nd, since the Psychitrist actually assessing the case of Lucy Letby would not be allowed to speak to the media, the 2nd best thing a news station can do is get another Forensic Psychiatrist to share his opinion on publicly available data.
We need to remember that our public organisations are being broken by successive governments in ideological regimes that want ever further efficiencies, many committed public servants are struggling to maintain services with integrity when top down management is not supportive. It all comes from top down. The doctors in this case worked tirelessly to bring this to justice. Which is hard to do when your livelihood is threatened for trying to speak the truth.
If you thought babies were being murdered would you contact a manager or the police?
stop looking for excuses to explain the actions of this evil creature, she deserves to rot in jail. If she misbehaves they will probably remove her pink girly curtains and restrict her netflix tv privileges.
Remember this no one in management is ever fired or jailed for turning a blind eye
Why would they ever change
Hospital staff and Management took far too long to act. Hello Dr Das, glad to hear you
Why did she want to be a nurse from childhood and spend years training and being a nurse if she lacked empathy? Something changed her completely and sent her acting totally differently.
Unless of course, she's innocent and the babies died from sepsis and infections. Many of them caused by poor plumbing.
She’s definitely a Sadist.
Definitely? What makes you so sure?
I was listening intently until he mentioned toxic masculinity. The whole idea of that term adds bias to any outcome against men.
She's "just an evil person"
So that means there's no motivation then.
And there's no prior history of being evil. Or doing anything evil. Or criminal record.
There's also no prior parental or background trauma, no psychological red flags there.
Nothing said against her having any of these evil traits by her close school friends.
No drifting or lack of focus; instead she's spent her entire life dedicated to her career of nursing.
She just suddenly wakes up one morning and decides to start killing babies. So she can destroy her career and spend the rest of her life in jail. Because she's 'just evil'.
Yeah. I really buy this explanation. This case stinks to high heaven.
very well said!
When Lucy got back from her holiday with mates in Ibiza, she texted a colleague 'probably be back with a bang' - she murdered baby 0 on her first shift back.
I’m noticing something similar with Lucy and the police guy’s eyes, they both droop/slant down in the outer corners. There is a third individual I’ve come across who was accused of defrauding her clients of large sums of money selling them skincare treatments/products that didn’t work. They all have similar eyes. It maybe nothing but it makes you wonder …eyes are the window to the soul it is said.
It's true, her eyes were the first I noticed when this first came out. Dead inside
@@royalhero4608 and the comments get nastier and nastier as each one of you proceed to blacken your own souls .. as a man speaks the rot in his heart and soul emerges from each word spouted from the mouth
Shes not a psychopath,according to him because shes not sexually promiscuous so she doesnt fit the criterea???????yet she enjoyed inflicting the pain,omg,i have no words
Yeah, I disagree with the DR
Psychopaths usually are sexually promiscuous, gives them more people and stronger ways to manipulate, but maybe she got what she needed with these poor babies 😢
@@barrettesands sadly, this is true
They just think all "crazy" women have to sleep around, because back in the day all women who slept around were labelled as crazy. Psychiatry is still incredibly sexist.
I just said the same thing...stupid ignorant males still manage to actually get a college degree in psychology. NOW those folks are dangerous as well. Loser. He's unattractive with SDE...males like that feel bad about his life so he looks down at women and "traditionalizes' them for his own low self esteem issues. Gross
I wondered about the 'evil' comment. Think this case requires a PUBLIC enquiry.
I agree w this man
It’s amazing how many ‘experts’ there are on social media
Well, this guy actually is an expert. Dr Das is one of UK's leading Forensic Psychiatrists.
@@ShwetaGupta-hd6yk I agree, I was actually referring to the ‘keyboard warriors’
what next? is a fireman deliberately starting wild fires.
Thats a common thing
Kwikfit boss slashing car tyres in the night?
@@michaelward2082 I knew a glazing business who put windows out when they were quiet.
Why has it always got to be mental health, why cant u execpt that some people are just evil.
I don't understand why I took 5 years to convict her. She first got arrested in 2018 and is just this year it's in the media.
It won't surprise me if they don't send her on holiday,
If they don't send her on holiday? Do you mean if they send her on holiday?
@@marvins42Lucy's name has been made mud all over the world. I am in Italy and the Italian journalists and you-tubers have also jumped on the gossiping bandwagon about this girl. The gossip in the public square (you-tube comments) is terrifying ... if it turns out she's innocent and she gets released, her whole life will be hell due to the gossip mongers and the terrifyingly evil comments as the 'pure of heart' continue to smear her.
The victims impact statement/s 💯 should be heard by the perpetrator. Always, and every time. Always, and evey time.
They have their justice already by that point, it isn't needed.
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He is absolutely spot on.
Add pure evil to the vocabulary.
Why did having the compulsion to harm/ kill theses babies in her care not lead her to seek help and raise the alarm about her thoughts? Therefore she must have been motivated to cause harm for some benefit to herself. There was a payoff for her .
She was probably afraid to expose her thoughts to light, but I believe it would have saved her and all those babies, and I believe it is what we all must do when we have evil thoughts. We must not maintain secret lives of things we are ashamed of because they mess with our spiritual and psychological health. It must be voluntary though, and we must make it easy for people and not threatening.
Rapist really get under my skin of all criminals, to legitimately take the time out to RAPE SOMEONE, to force yourself unto someone, against their will is just ugh absolutely disgusting, 😒
What, worse than murder?
Child trafficing is even worse.
This is about the murder of babies. This is worse.
Why does one have to be 'worse' than another? All these crimes are horrific.
@@rosiepayne7712 murdering babies is worse.
Trying to work out what her motivations were, even by mental health professionals is only just speculation.
The only person that really knows why she did what she did is Lucy. I do agree when the psychiatrist said that it probably was a combination of factors, whether or not she fits the mould for being a psychopath she clearly had a complete lack of empathy, how else could she done such acts.
Something about her just doesn’t add up for me. She says she’s innocent, her family and friends do too. Yet the evidence says she’s guilty. I find it odd she had no real mental illness, odd that she was functioning and normal before these murders. She is very much NOT a typical serial killer. The whole case sets my teeth on edge and makes me think there’s more to this story than the public has been told. Instinct tells me there’s something not quite right there. I can’t put my finger on it.
It's maybe because she probably didn't do it and potentially we have on our hands another unsafe conviction on the same level - actually, much higher - than that of Sally Clark in 1999.
@@normanblair840 They apparently convicted her without a shred of direct evidence. It was all circumstantial evidence. Doesn’t seem like a reliable way to convict someone to me. A whole life order and not a bit of direct evidence. Could be she is just the scapegoat. She was there and it was convenient to blame her basically.
Oh please 🙄 she killed 7 babies that is disgusting and she needs to know how the parents feel.
Yes, yes. Copy and paste the same thing everyone else is saying. They're discussing her mental state and potential personality disorders, not talking about the babies specifically. Get off the soapbox ffs
Furthermore she'll never feel the way the parents do because shes not one, nor will she be.
@@professorcalvert8126 if she was a different race do you think he would of said that?
@@Nellia.. No ofcourse not. Wtf does race have to do with anything?
@@professorcalvert8126 Well there is a lot of white privilege in the UK and black people sometimes are arrested for stupid reasons such as police thinking they’re aggressive e.g. George Floyd so I am saying if she was black maybe things would be a bit different in my opinion
The notes represent an abused woman believing what abusive people tell them. Abused women are often told "Its Your Fault", "You Caused This" by their abusers... These are the two most common things tell their victims in abusive relationships ... This is well documented in abuse cases ... Was this due to the alleged affair with a married consultant, who was obviously abusing his wife trust. Is he a serial abuser ... It looks like it to me ...
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There's no end to evil people...
as masterful as she proved to be in killing, she was suitable as a nurse in the battlefield- for enemy
Psychopaths have different brains to your average person's brain. Psychopaths are numb, they dont feel guilt, remorse, love or empathy or mercy. She was able to do what she did cos of the structure of her brain and her sense of entitlement...perhaps cos she was an only child her parents world revolved around her. Lucy knew she was different and she was aware of her dark side, why she started to hurt babies to get some relief from her internal hate towards herself.
@Shannon-pn1ivor she is actually innocent? The only evidence against her was her presence on the ward.
@Shannon-pn1iv This is the thing, at the end of the day none of us have seen the trial or the investigations, she was found guilty & until new information comes to light I have no reason to doubt it & I say that because the people that passed that judgement saw all the evidence when they attended the trial for 9 months. No one in any comments section witnessed her demeanor in court when details of the babies deaths were read out or her reactions to any evidence, the police also investigated for 2 years.
I understand Miscarriages of justice happen & I can understand some people may think that the conviction is unsafe but I can't understand people that think she's definitely innocent when they've seen nothing of the trial.
Lucy was "targeted" by more Senior staff.......she reported other Staff and this took a lot of courage on her part....as to showing no remorse - mentioned by the Judge and others - i would not either, if i had been wrongly accused.
Not everyone displays their "heart on their sleeve" (call it empathy). It is a highly subjective thing.
Some of the "evidence" should have been thrown out of Court eg. the "secret code" - LD mistaken for LO (supposed to have been significant as a virtual "confession") - total nonsense as it was not even true.
Much was made of this, as was Lucy leaning over a Baby's Cot, the Parent holding the baby up, and Lucy supporting herself with her right hand. Yet, this was interpreted as "malicious" on the part of Lucy.
Studying the very sad case of Baby G , it transpires that she became partially sighted, and Quadriplegic, as a result of SEPSIS - - nothing to do with Lucy, she was observed to be Diligently writing up her Nursing Notes, well after her shift had ended, and she should have gone home to sleep. Her involvement with Baby G was as a result of being called over from another part of the Unit, to assist an "unnamed nurse".....and WHY unnamed ? What was there to hide so that you would not want to be named ? Other Staff were named.....
Now, for me the clincher was "nobody could have saved Baby G".......note the "nobody" - speaks volumes. Lucy did her work well, and, because she was not shy about reporting other (often Senior) Colleagues, she was targeted, and vilified, destroying her credibility as a caring Nurse. Because she was outspoken over work issues, it is highly probable that this went very much against her, and set others in opposition to her.
Finally, why was Lucy not REMOVED totally from the Countess of Chichester Hospital, instead of merely moved SIDEWAYS in to another role - IF she was guilty - and Risk Assessment ? Come on, this was a strange role for someone apparently under surveillance herself - makes no sense...EXCEPT for the fact that the more Senior Staff were unsure of their ground concerning suspicions over Lucy, so they could not justify suspending her, or sacking her even.
In my considered view, Lucy is not guilty of the charges levied against her...and i sincerely hope that she wins her right to Appeal and will, in the fulness of time, be completely exonerated and have all charges against her dropped.
Thank you for reading this - i hope more people will come to see the travesty that was Lucy's trial for what it was, and that she will be viewed in a more fair and balanced way.
Ironic aspect is, that when she was removed from the ward she was put with the governance and safety team 😂
It's like taking all the career criminals in the world and putting them into government. FML.
i wish my doctor was a skilled as this man who can diagnose me without ever talking to, or examining me
He was an expert witness in the trail so he knows her
How about an investigation into every single baby death for the last ten years, in every hospital, to determine how many were given too much food, insulin or breathing tubes were not fitted correctly - and how much negligence and pressure there is really in overstretched hospitals ? Maybe that is the real story ? I am sure it was asked but - did the senior Doctors and police ask the question, maybe this is a series of negligent mistakes ? If they did ask that, what was their thoughts?
I agree every NHS trust needs to be investigated of high mortality rates in the Neonatal departments. maybe this is the real story? i know the NHS do close ranks on staff members
@@user-od2st7uu7r It is a disturbing story. There is a lack of screening on entering NHS or careworker jobs already. In this one it seemed the police built up a case based also around Letby's character and responses to arrest - partly it seems, as they expect protest from an innocent person, though is this a presumption ? I am sure, surely, they left 'no stone unturned' and they went through scenarios like, 'maybe others made negligent errors they might even be unaware of' ? If so, none of that is public knowledge. So, perhaps some of the years in some neonatal units where the average is say 2 per year then goes to 3/4 are down to negligence or mistakes due to work errors and pressure? Just a thought. The fact that raw sewage came up on a regular basis into the sinks on the neonatal unit, at least tells a tale of failed management of some kind.
This is like the deep sea submersible implosion. Everyone's an expert all of a sudden.
Sadist? Those babies suffered! 💔😥😡 I don’t care what label is put on her, she IS evil.
I get the emotion expressed by your comment, but she is not pure evil, (that would be the Devil) people who give into evil are playing a part for the Devil and don't love God like they should.
Calling her pure evil is very expressive but gives her far more credit than she deserves, actually calling her pure evil is giving her power, she's not powerful, she chose defenceless babies as victims.
@@SusanAmberBruce You’re right. I took out the ‘pure’.
@@jacqz7520 good
That doctor is wicked himself. His diagnosis of Lucy, who he's never met, is so manipulative, cunning, disrespectful and just plain hateful.
What ever happened to evil people. History has shown us, that people can be evil. We need to believe that some people are just that.
@soloman6156
I would like to think that the majority of people would draw the line at killing babies.
No
You are all twats
I support Lucy and am even more twisted then her
The doctors should have called the police if the hospital wasn't willing to. Right away, as soon as possible they should have called. Would have been better for everybody. Would have been less victims and ironically would have been better even for Lucy. She would have gotten a lighter prison sentence. Now, a life sentence she will be dependent on tax payers the rest of her life. Too bad England doesn't have the death penalty like Texas where I live.
This is by no means the first heinous crimes a police officer has been allowed to commit through indifference, negligence or sheer incompetence, even since the advent of covid. If you want to nurture a dangerous culture of arrogance amongst the people who exert the most immediate power over ordinary citizens, letting police officers and medical professionals get away with things they should clearly be removed or investigated for is the way to do it.
It amazes me how often these things are happening, followed by the same old story of shocking lapses in diligence and common-sense and, not least, the aforementioned institutionalised arrogance, this time amongst those responsible for vetting these individuals! It's shameful. Those higher up in the chain need to know that consequences will be forthcoming and that they are ultimately responsible for their decisions. If they can't or wont, then disciplinary and complaints and associated managerial actions will need to be made available to the very public who are being put at risk.
I really think it’s because all HR depts are firstly and foremostly afraid of being sued by employees and so the worst of the worst are able to get away with terrible things as they aren’t dealt with
Even though she has been sent down for life for killing children the guy still gives her good credit of “competent and hard-working” she was killing children, what is wrong with these people? Why are they still giving people credit when they’re being killers of being “good at their job”.
She does have a personality disorder clearly. The notes does speak to the envy of people who have family and children, which she did not. Not a confession though. Id check out HG Tudors breakdown of all this. Very enlightening and helpful.
Finally, a doctor who provides sound psychological advice. Some idiot on GMB calling himself a “criminal psychologist” was laughable. There is no such thing as a ‘criminal psychologist’ in the UK, only forensic, clinical, education, occupational psychologist etc.
Such a brilliant Dr He's right she has traits but she's just plain evil
She is just evil , evil can be born.
I'm still of the same mind. There is something far wrong with this case. Having said that sympathy to all involved particularly to the babies and their parents.
This case has brought more questions, which require more answers & how can we prevent anything like this happening again….
‘Evil’ is a religious term. Like: the devil made me do it. This Lucy is not normal, she lacks empathy and the worst thing: she is a sadist. Cruel to the most vulnerable children. And enjoying the pain the parents will have for the rest of their lives. It is not a normal behavior. There must be something wrong in her head. Are some people just evil? Maybe being evil is a mental illness? It’s no excuse. Lock her up, throw her in a hole. But I just want a scientific answer.
So nothing dark and unpleasant in your head then?
Yes, she is evil! Thats not mental illness!
@@avalon7902Well said👍
@@avalon7902 On the contrary. It’s all extreme dark and unpleasant. Like a malignant tumor.
That this doesn't fall under mental illness is almost as unbelievable as the acts themselves.
I’m glad it doesn’t. They need prison and punishment not some cushy little psych ward that will unleash them back onto society, supposedly “cured” while the officials pat themselves on the back for the great job they’ve done, this scum is out reoffending. Fuck them both I hope they both go to hell. They’re not mentally ill they are just evil scum.
No its not! Not everything is mental illness. Some people are just evil and she had a good reason for depression,- and that’s NOT mental illness!!!!
@@heddaszczepanski9210 Is that level of evilness not a mental malfunction. It's not exactly normal behaviour, therefore a mental illness. Psychopaths are mentally ill.
@@Chrisallengallery well I cant disagree with that, but I think the term mental illness is a kind way of saying somebody is twisted and not curable.
The term mental illness is way over-used and also used as anexcuse for bad behaviour.
@@heddaszczepanski9210 You're right. Mental illness can be curable and can be used as an excuse, but someone that is broken or corrupted can not be cured. I guess it's an argument about the definition of mental illness.
Drs need to be able to focus on treating people not fear with all that paperwork. This will make them close ranks more. The stupidity of managers in NHS. This Dr is right people need to feel free to whistle blow. This is the NHS
culture, nurses are afraid to speak out e.g.during covid and left or felt bullied for speaking up. It pimento as though managers are there to control Drs and nurses, WHO are they working for?