now that she has been caught and convicted we should go after the bosses who protected her for years just to protect there lucrative jobs and pretend reputations. they are all equally guilty of corporate manslaughter..
They were presumably acting on the results of 2 separate internal investigations that found nothing and likely had their hands largely tied by employment law given that. There was also the risk of reputational damage to the hospital with LL’s father threatening to report the whistleblower doctor’s to the GMC. It doesn’t help that hospitals are now largely managed by non medical managers who are not as able to pick up on such things.
The parents of the baby who made it out alive after she tried to kill, moved their baby to another hospital which is why that child is alive today. That was back in 2013. And it’s after 10 years later she is only now sentenced! They need to now pull up all the hospital managers/ bosses who allowed her to get away with further murders knowing they were already made aware of what she was doing. It shouldn’t matter if some of them have retired, it still falls in line with a criminal case so therefore they should all still be held accountable.
The NHS management involved in this catastrophe need to be criminally held responsible for letting this lunatic get away with the crimes for so long. Custodial sentences would be applicable.
I think it's a lot more sinister when a murderer is intelligent and well spoken. If someone looks dodgy or openly acts dodgy, at least you have your intuition to try and keep yourself and family safe, these poor families of the victims didn't stand a chance with her.
Surely people must know by now that judging by appearance is seriously ill advised, it can incriminate the innocent and let the guilty get away with it. I will say though that the 'good nurse' character that she portrayed was incredibly convincing and at first I struggled to believe she was capable.
@@lamusica1592 you would think so but no the ridiculous practice of instant judgement is still very much the norm and likely will remain that way for the foreseeable future .
I’m not sure that something didn’t happen in her childhood. From the little we’ve heard about her parents, they seem somewhat dysfunctional, even if unintentional. Perhaps they did too much, were too controlling, even with the best intentions. She said she felt “ smothered” by them. Maybe she craved power and control because she never had any growing up and even now? She seems to lack emotional empathy also.
Yes. It could be true. They might have provided perfect material environment to her, but something could been off. There is many types of emotional neglect. Any single incident in her childhood could not have caused this and it would have left some scars. But she seems to have none. Also, she could be just born psychopath. And the trigger would have needed to be very small.
There is no amount of money that will bring those babies back, but I really hope that those families that are affected by this get compensation for this horrible loss. My heart and condolences goes out to the families
Lucy Letby has caused me to be worried about being in hospital if I ever have to go. I mean if a nurse can target innocent babies ,makes me dubious what they might do or one might be capable of.Its sad when you cant even trust the nurses. I know that LL is a extremely rare evil but makes you scared if I was unlucky enough to come across such evil, hopefully LL is a one of and there never be anyone like her again
Domestic abuse involves emotional abuse. I'm intrigued by the little that has been public about the guilt Lucy Letby felt re letting her parents down and how she felt suffocated within that relationship. I'm also intrigued about her mother's reaction to her daughter's involvement in this.
Listening to the Daily Mail, it's a concern that babies were left without feed for 4 hours. Waiting for 4 hours for a baby to be recannulated and intubating is very serious. A baby with 3 lines chest drainage without qualified nurses. Doctors in and out of the unit smoking, back with hands on babies. Leaving babies on a couch unattainted by doctors were also concerns to Lucy Letby. Management will have a lot to answer for these negligences.
Antibiotics not charted for 24hrs Frank Faeces from the sink 4 people in the room for baby A Little and poorly babies that should never have been there Over worked, over burned, under skilled staff
Good to see TV has embraced you as an "expert". Great interview. I wonder if Letby didn't hear the verdict on the stand was that she genuinely had convinced herself that she was innocent but saw how the case was going so simply thought a verdict of guilty was irrelevant. Or, not hearing the verdict left her guilt open to question in her mind.
Just my opinion but for me I feel that the attention she was getting in court wasn't the kind of attention she wanted with it being negative, so she wanted to avoid it at all costs 😬 I could be wrong though 😂
I can't agree with this analysis at all that offers no explanation. Of course there is. Letby did lack emphathy. If she had sufficient empathy - what is considered normal - she couldn't have committed these murders. If she did it, despite having empathy, she would have a guilt complex that is overwhelming her. She would have turned herself in, eventually - not being able to live with what she had done. Instead, we have a cold calculated killer who covered her tracks and who was perfectly aware of how bad her actions were, and how bad she was, but who still refused to attend the sentencing hearing. She cares about no one but herself. Any sorrow she feels is for being caught - not out of remorse for what she did. You hit the nail when you said that she got a thrill out of the parents grieving process. Joanna Denehey also didn't have a traumatic childhood either. A fairly normal one, by all accounts. Yet she was diagnosed with ASPD. So will this woman when she is properly tested and diagnosed. No one just commits murder - especially of numerous babies , or of anyone - unless they have a serious screw that is loose. She stayed under radar for too long, came across too innocent and sweet to those around her. So much so that no one except other doctors believed she was capable of such acts, so they shut down her critics long after they should have done. She is a psychopath.
Such a serious matter needs evaluation. Malignant narcissism - just because there isn't any record of trauma in Letby's life doesn't mean there hasn't been any. So sad that the concerns of others were dismissed.
Only Lucy will ever really know WHY ?...my heart ❤💔for those poor babies and families, I've been to that C of C Hospital many times,it is scary to think she was working their then..prisoners don't take well towards child killers so what happens, happens...🤬
She got an emotional and psychological reward from killing, it's that simple, and newborn babies are the easiest target in the world. This is the worst kind of violence.
Could we come close to understanding a possible motive for Lucy's case if we look at similar cases and the possible motives in those? Lucy as a person does not remind me of other famous "killer nurses", like Beverly Alitt or in the USA, Genene Jones, Kimberly Saenz or Kristin Gilbert. My brain is taking a long while to catalog her as "this is what a serial murderer looks like".
Some say the motivation of Harold Shipman for killing may have been the 'god complex' - holding the power of life and death over his patients - even though on the surface he was seen as a competent, trusted family doctor. Dr Das mentioned a similar idea in this interview and I think it's a plausible explanation for Letby.
I don't think she is able to explain her actions either. I quite agree with a psychiatric that she probable thought these babies wouldn't live so she hurried them on
@@gloriathompson4010 No. I do not agree at all. She decided to end their lives. Especially when there were twins, she wanted them both to die. It was *not* "hurrying them on to their inevitable deaths".
People keep saying she doesn't "look" like someone who would do this and are shocked that she's a serial killer. I'm not shocked because I don't pedestalize blue-eyed, blonde haired white women. Anyone is capable of committing these type of offenses. Yes, women are less likely but if she was black or brown or even latino or east Asian people wouldn't question it so hard. She was able to get away with this for so long and was even given an apology when doctors knew something was wrong. That should tell you what's wrong with society.
Lucy letby is unique in a bad way , totally unique she’s kind of broken the mould of what criminal psychologists understand and know about serial killers and psychopaths. It’s like recently Astro physicists found out the beginning of time didn’t start with the Big Bang. Yes it’s comparable on the basis letby is outside the remit of textbook criminal psychiatry and everything they think they knew.
The reason why she killed the babies was due to extreme jealousy. She couldn't stand seeing couples and families in their happiest moments. Seeing the love and connection amongst the families post birth, she wanted to destroy it, then watch their devastation, which mirrors her own devastation about not having a romantic relationship, marriage, and children. She couldn't understand why she couldn't have the same. Simple!
I wonder if it is MBP or is there something in the fact that she survived as a baby in that situation, and it set up something in her mind about taking the lives of babies?
what I see is, when these babies were attacked the alarm was raised by others and Lucy just walked away and then started with the grieving part of it, this is her pattern. Not one time did she help the baby by giving them life support?....she walks away from every baby.....what kind of nurse does that, I didnt hear one story Lucy tried to save the baby in any way she watched in the back ground and then signed of work and went home like nothing happened.
Is it possible me that a murderer like this could be like an addict in denial? I can't help but wonder if she half believes she is innocent or if a part of her believes it. Even her notes suggest some kind of split personality. Also, although there was no childhood abuse in her background that we know about, we don't know for sure that psychological or emotional abuse didn't happen. Many victims don't realise or recover from this until many decades after it happened, as its hard for the victims to identify
She had a smothering mother which can cause emotional trauma. In my opinion she is a covert narcissist just like her mother. That's the generational trauma underlying her actions.
Exactly, there was trauma, a covert trauma , even the mother admitted it , when they arrested Lucy , she said something like " it's my fault , take me instead." . The mother knew the harm she has done . It reminds me of the bad blood case in America , the parents put a massive expectation on there daughter and she had to deliver greatness to be loved and accepted. Elizabeth of theranos company similar profile.
This is a strange case. She is the one who looks normal and is the most dangerous. I was first an RN then a RM. We could ALL kill if we felt inclined. What barriers stop us? Nothing! But we don't, thank God.
Why was she allowed to not be in court to hear her sentencing and the impact statements from the families? Is that a law that she has a right to choose to not show up to court?
This case has so many major flaws and problems. Has anybody at any point thought she's actually innocent and there's been a huge miscarriage of justice. This girl clearly has "Borderline Personality Disorder" which is self-evident by her notes. And it's blatant. Maybe Quiet BPD. This girl has showed evidence of empathy at numerous points. The Callous Psychopath Serial Killer narrative seems to have huge flaws. You was there, so you are deffo guilty. Seems to be the premise of the case. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Thats weak evidence by its self. This girl needs a full personality test using millon personality assessment and others personality testing. Numerous of the best. For a start. Myers-Briggs Type Indicator too. The footage of the police interviews she undertook and the footage of the trial should be released to the public for review too. They better hope they got this right. Im far from convinced currently. Deffo would be a suicide risk with BPD. And even more so if its wrong the result and shes innocent.
I believe this is likely a miscarriage of justice. I believe the most likely death cause for the deaths of these children was enteroviral neonatal deaths in the summers of 2015 & 2016. These infections can be fatal for neonatals. I believe the paediatricians involved are not trained to spot this and didnt know what the hell was going on and/or couldnt understand the sudden collapses of these children. Unexplained deaths to them; in the summer of 2015 and letby was around the babies. Likely coincidence. Then it started happening again the next year in June 2016 and saw her on duty again and thought it has to be her involved with the sudden deaths. Jumping to conclusions. Then afterwards the prosecution has concocted an explanation that is wrong. It seems to be taken from a previous case. I believe there was cluster of fatal/lethal and/or disabling enteroviral outbreaks that affected these neonatal babies and died. When you look at this case this explanation makes the most sense. When you break down this lady's character from the things out there. It absolutely does not match a psychopathic serial killer for a start. Their case against her doesnt make any logical sense. My explaination do.
ha ! I know sometimes how awful is hospital birocracy & hierarky. busy with administrative things, while the ones handling patients are not qualified. and no review / control
A decent take on the issue and one from someone actually qualified to diagnose and treat etc. Notice how at no point did he mention psychopathy which seems to have been flung about by other talking heads who arent even qualified on these issues. So far this is only the second sensible statement made on the case on youtube.
Well obviously there are signs now after the fact. No one saw what she would become until it was too late. It's easy to diagnose her now....they can see what she did.
I would love to know how her parents and friends feel now that she has been sentenced. Surely now they must see she is guilty!! I also wonder will Lucy finally come clean in prison?
Her motive? Maybe among other things; It was like extreme sibling rivalry. Those little babies were getting all the attention instead of her. They were smaller and cuter than she was. "Pathetic little worms which would not stay alive if she was not there. Not worth of life, much less than her." So she should live and they should die. It was always her life against their lives. And if she snuffer theirs, her life was more worth of it. She was a single child. Maybe there was something there. Not wanting to share attention in a situation were she had no way of competiting them by being more clever or cuter than them. So the only way to win was to kill them and take their place? Then follow up by observing the parents affection and love to their dead babies. Seeing that grief again and again must been fascinating. Maybe something that she never observed from her own parents? The signs of extreme emotions. It must been like learning the value of children to their parents again and again.
I heard one psychiatrist talking about the possibilities of 'blue code junky' and 'god complex'... what are your thoughts on these theory motives? Is there a specific condition that involves being involved in other people's grief process Dr Das?
What is a "God Complex"? Are you suggesting that God is in control of deciding who lives and who dies? Might as well blame it on God. That's not how life works. Lucy Letby murdered these babies, not God.
I can´t understand how is it possible to be a psycopath and nobody noticed? the parents did not noticed, the techers, the colegues, nobody noticed anyting? Perhaps she is just a bad person, an irresponsible simple very bad person.
I think what has been said is correct she was born with phyco tendencies which later developed she needs treatment people whose brains do not work normally need medical assistance and care she did show emotion when get doctor friend spike it was reported as it was reported she does not feel emotion like normal people it's a bit scary her companions in the jail where she's going
I followed the case for from the beginning to end on you tube & we are all trying to work LL out Yhe only person who will be able to answer is her herself which will never happen but HPD comes to mind Only reason i mentioned that type of personality disorder due to the fact she thrived on attention and drama Me me me Pity pity pity Then trys to playdown in court that shes such a trustworthy person.. Just a opinion
If I was innocent there's no way I'd not be in the court room while the verdict was read and while I was being found guilty, I'd make that much noise stating my innocence that no one would get a word in edgeways. No way would I sit there prim and proper. Sometimes I think defense lawyers make people act in a way that makes them look guilty. You can lock me up for another 30 years for causing a scene, I wouldn't care one bit so long as I'd stated my innocence
My son took his own life 4 years ago, his mum and myself received money ftom a insurance policy. I can tell you it made no difference what's so ever to my grieving!!
Keine Traumen? Was zuwenig beachtet wird, ist die Mutter waehrend der Schwangerschaft mit Lucy. Ihre Gefuehle und mentaler Zustand koennen auch traumatisch wirken.
What about the two separate babies who were injected with insulin? Do you think someone else did that? Has she been framed? And the fact that the sudden and unexplained collapses stopped when she was removed from the ward. There was a lot of evidence against her.
@@msminabel9829 she wasn’t convicted for the insulin And a a number of reasons why things changed in that unit Starting with it being down graded Compare apples with apples
Hello Dr Das. I think that this personality type is so deeply deceitful that only medically qualified people, Doctors and Psychiatrists would have been able to pick up "red flags" man in the street, like the parents of the babies would have believed in her professionalism. Makes one quite sick. I also think that her life is in danger. The adage "there is honour among thieves" comes to mind. Like Dr Lauren Dickason, I think that jealousy and resentment are key factors in these crimes
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now that she has been caught and convicted we should go after the bosses who protected her for years just to protect there lucrative jobs and pretend reputations. they are all equally guilty of corporate manslaughter..
Accessories to manslaughter yes by association.
Absolutely. All the safety protocols were ignored.
They were presumably acting on the results of 2 separate internal investigations that found nothing and likely had their hands largely tied by employment law given that. There was also the risk of reputational damage to the hospital with LL’s father threatening to report the whistleblower doctor’s to the GMC. It doesn’t help that hospitals are now largely managed by non medical managers who are not as able to pick up on such things.
Agreed💯👍
The parents of the baby who made it out alive after she tried to kill, moved their baby to another hospital which is why that child is alive today. That was back in 2013. And it’s after 10 years later she is only now sentenced! They need to now pull up all the hospital managers/ bosses who allowed her to get away with further murders knowing they were already made aware of what she was doing. It shouldn’t matter if some of them have retired, it still
falls in line with a criminal case so therefore they should all still be held accountable.
The NHS management involved in this catastrophe need to be criminally held responsible for letting this lunatic get away with the crimes for so long. Custodial sentences would be applicable.
I think it's a lot more sinister when a murderer is intelligent and well spoken. If someone looks dodgy or openly acts dodgy, at least you have your intuition to try and keep yourself and family safe, these poor families of the victims didn't stand a chance with her.
Surely people must know by now that judging by appearance is seriously ill advised, it can incriminate the innocent and let the guilty get away with it. I will say though that the 'good nurse' character that she portrayed was incredibly convincing and at first I struggled to believe she was capable.
Those known to be dodgy are rarely as bad as they may well appear, plus there is actually a possibility that Lucy Letby is innocent.
@@lamusica1592 you would think so but no the ridiculous practice of instant judgement is still very much the norm and likely will remain that way for the foreseeable future .
@@ThomasDoubting5 yes, keeping up appearances is very much a way of life
Predudice is the word your looking for, not intuition.
I’m not sure that something didn’t happen in her childhood. From the little we’ve heard about her parents, they seem somewhat dysfunctional, even if unintentional. Perhaps they did too much, were too controlling, even with the best intentions. She said she felt “ smothered” by them. Maybe she craved power and control because she never had any growing up and even now? She seems to lack emotional empathy also.
Yes. It could be true. They might have provided perfect material environment to her, but something could been off. There is many types of emotional neglect.
Any single incident in her childhood could not have caused this and it would have left some scars. But she seems to have none.
Also, she could be just born psychopath. And the trigger would have needed to be very small.
There is no amount of money that will bring those babies back, but I really hope that those families that are affected by this get compensation for this horrible loss. My heart and condolences goes out to the families
Why do people want money when something really bad happens to them?!
Like you said at the start of your comment, "it won't bring those babies back".
For me, there's nothing more sinister than the intelligent, silent slaughterer. This one is one of the worst.
yes, and inflicted on the most helpful human beings in the world, it's the worst kind of violence.
Lucy Letby has caused me to be worried about being in hospital if I ever have to go. I mean if a nurse can target innocent babies ,makes me dubious what they might do or one might be capable of.Its sad when you cant even trust the nurses. I know that LL is a extremely rare evil but makes you scared if I was unlucky enough to come across such evil, hopefully LL is a one of and there never be anyone like her again
I think the entire the medical world is dodgy and suspect
Care workers and nurses can be cruel
What is 'evil' to you ?
Doctors also administer terminal sedation on the quiet. There are great numbers of bad surgery and other care cover-ups.
Not so rare
She’s the 3rd white female serial baby killer in the UK
Domestic abuse involves emotional abuse. I'm intrigued by the little that has been public about the guilt Lucy Letby felt re letting her parents down and how she felt suffocated within that relationship. I'm also intrigued about her mother's reaction to her daughter's involvement in this.
You know. I'm suspicious she was writing her scenario when she got caught. To manipulate the situation in advance...
@@KatJ3st Yes! She is extreme manipulative! Nothing what comes from her is real and can not be trusted.
Nobody will know what was going on in her head I think this is not the first time I think she has killed countless babies in a different Hospital
Listening to the Daily Mail, it's a concern that babies were left without feed for 4 hours. Waiting for 4 hours for a baby to be recannulated and intubating is very serious. A baby with 3 lines chest drainage without qualified nurses. Doctors in and out of the unit smoking, back with hands on babies. Leaving babies on a couch unattainted by doctors were also concerns to Lucy Letby. Management will have a lot to answer for these negligences.
Antibiotics not charted for 24hrs
Frank Faeces from the sink
4 people in the room for baby A
Little and poorly babies that should never have been there
Over worked, over burned, under skilled staff
Good to see TV has embraced you as an "expert". Great interview. I wonder if Letby didn't hear the verdict on the stand was that she genuinely had convinced herself that she was innocent but saw how the case was going so simply thought a verdict of guilty was irrelevant. Or, not hearing the verdict left her guilt open to question in her mind.
Just my opinion but for me I feel that the attention she was getting in court wasn't the kind of attention she wanted with it being negative, so she wanted to avoid it at all costs 😬 I could be wrong though 😂
Am not convinced!
I can't agree with this analysis at all that offers no explanation. Of course there is.
Letby did lack emphathy. If she had sufficient empathy - what is considered normal - she couldn't have committed these murders. If she did it, despite having empathy, she would have a guilt complex that is overwhelming her. She would have turned herself in, eventually - not being able to live with what she had done. Instead, we have a cold calculated killer who covered her tracks and who was perfectly aware of how bad her actions were, and how bad she was, but who still refused to attend the sentencing hearing. She cares about no one but herself. Any sorrow she feels is for being caught - not out of remorse for what she did.
You hit the nail when you said that she got a thrill out of the parents grieving process.
Joanna Denehey also didn't have a traumatic childhood either. A fairly normal one, by all accounts. Yet she was diagnosed with ASPD. So will this woman when she is properly tested and diagnosed. No one just commits murder - especially of numerous babies , or of anyone - unless they have a serious screw that is loose.
She stayed under radar for too long, came across too innocent and sweet to those around her. So much so that no one except other doctors believed she was capable of such acts, so they shut down her critics long after they should have done.
She is a psychopath.
She is most likely innocent. There is nothing but unproven circumstantial evidence against her.
Try telling that to the jurors who deliberated for over 100 hours and the poor parents
@@laurengoulding5458that still dosnt mean she's 100% the person that did this to those babies.
Agree
Such a serious matter needs evaluation. Malignant narcissism - just because there isn't any record of trauma in Letby's life doesn't mean there hasn't been any. So sad that the concerns of others were dismissed.
‘Where there any warning signs’?!!!! What more do I want. So many people spent so many years trying to expose the warning signs
Only Lucy will ever really know WHY ?...my heart ❤💔for those poor babies and families, I've been to that C of C Hospital many times,it is scary to think she was working their then..prisoners don't take well towards child killers so what happens, happens...🤬
She got an emotional and psychological reward from killing, it's that simple, and newborn babies are the easiest target in the world. This is the worst kind of violence.
Could we come close to understanding a possible motive for Lucy's case if we look at similar cases and the possible motives in those?
Lucy as a person does not remind me of other famous "killer nurses", like Beverly Alitt or in the USA, Genene Jones, Kimberly Saenz or Kristin Gilbert. My brain is taking a long while to catalog her as "this is what a serial murderer looks like".
Some say the motivation of Harold Shipman for killing may have been the 'god complex' - holding the power of life and death over his patients - even though on the surface he was seen as a competent, trusted family doctor. Dr Das mentioned a similar idea in this interview and I think it's a plausible explanation for Letby.
I don't think she is able to explain her actions either. I quite agree with a psychiatric that she probable thought these babies wouldn't live so she hurried them on
@gloriathompson4010 perhaps substitute the word "shouldn't" for "wouldn't".
@@gloriathompson4010 No. I do not agree at all. She decided to end their lives. Especially when there were twins, she wanted them both to die.
It was *not* "hurrying them on to their inevitable deaths".
I’m so far from convinced of her guilt
People keep saying she doesn't "look" like someone who would do this and are shocked that she's a serial killer. I'm not shocked because I don't pedestalize blue-eyed, blonde haired white women. Anyone is capable of committing these type of offenses. Yes, women are less likely but if she was black or brown or even latino or east Asian people wouldn't question it so hard. She was able to get away with this for so long and was even given an apology when doctors knew something was wrong. That should tell you what's wrong with society.
Ted Bundy didn't look like a violent cruel serial killer either. People need to educate themselves and get away from stereotypes.
What did she think would happen? Or didn’t she think? And as for the management! Argh! Listen to your staff!
Lucy letby is unique in a bad way , totally unique she’s kind of broken the mould of what criminal psychologists understand and know about serial killers and psychopaths. It’s like recently Astro physicists found out the beginning of time didn’t start with the Big Bang. Yes it’s comparable on the basis letby is outside the remit of textbook criminal psychiatry and everything they think they knew.
“Jelousy of the families, she wanted to destroy”! 😢
The reason why she killed the babies was due to extreme jealousy.
She couldn't stand seeing couples and families in their happiest moments. Seeing the love and connection amongst the families post birth, she wanted to destroy it, then watch their devastation, which mirrors her own devastation about not having a romantic relationship, marriage, and children. She couldn't understand why she couldn't have the same. Simple!
And you know this because...?
Not sure why you would think she couldn't get a bloke 🤷
Disagree. When babies end up in the NNU parents are scared, worried, fretful and generally very tired. They arnet snuggy lovey happy coochie coo.
He is "filling up" in other to have a quick easy explanation. "Simple".
I wonder if it is MBP or is there something in the fact that she survived as a baby in that situation, and it set up something in her mind about taking the lives of babies?
what I see is, when these babies were attacked the alarm was raised by others and Lucy just walked away and then started with the grieving part of it, this is her pattern. Not one time did she help the baby by giving them life support?....she walks away from every baby.....what kind of nurse does that, I didnt hear one story Lucy tried to save the baby in any way she watched in the back ground and then signed of work and went home like nothing happened.
Is it possible me that a murderer like this could be like an addict in denial? I can't help but wonder if she half believes she is innocent or if a part of her believes it. Even her notes suggest some kind of split personality. Also, although there was no childhood abuse in her background that we know about, we don't know for sure that psychological or emotional abuse didn't happen. Many victims don't realise or recover from this until many decades after it happened, as its hard for the victims to identify
That’s one theory.
No one will want to work in Intensive Care with one pound babies who often die?
Why work there then?
Agree
It’s going to be harder still to get good dedicated staff
She had a smothering mother which can cause emotional trauma. In my opinion she is a covert narcissist just like her mother. That's the generational trauma underlying her actions.
Exactly, there was trauma, a covert trauma , even the mother admitted it , when they arrested Lucy , she said something like " it's my fault , take me instead." . The mother knew the harm she has done . It reminds me of the bad blood case in America , the parents put a massive expectation on there daughter and she had to deliver greatness to be loved and accepted. Elizabeth of theranos company similar profile.
please provide evidence
Death penalty she's pure evil 😈
This is a strange case. She is the one who looks normal and is the most dangerous.
I was first an RN then a RM. We could ALL kill if we felt inclined. What barriers stop us? Nothing! But we don't, thank God.
NHS managers ? ... ( an accessory , or " joint enterprise " ) springs to mind .... DAVE™🛑
People need to stop thinking that serial killers are going to look like Charles Manson.
Why was she allowed to not be in court to hear her sentencing and the impact statements from the families? Is that a law that she has a right to choose to not show up to court?
This case has so many major flaws and problems. Has anybody at any point thought she's actually innocent and there's been a huge miscarriage of justice. This girl clearly has "Borderline Personality Disorder" which is self-evident by her notes. And it's blatant. Maybe Quiet BPD. This girl has showed evidence of empathy at numerous points. The Callous Psychopath Serial Killer narrative seems to have huge flaws. You was there, so you are deffo guilty. Seems to be the premise of the case. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Thats weak evidence by its self. This girl needs a full personality test using millon personality assessment and others personality testing. Numerous of the best. For a start. Myers-Briggs Type Indicator too. The footage of the police interviews she undertook and the footage of the trial should be released to the public for review too. They better hope they got this right. Im far from convinced currently. Deffo would be a suicide risk with BPD. And even more so if its wrong the result and shes innocent.
2 babies had insulin in them when no baby in the unit needed it. The police investigated for years I am sure they know what they were doing
I believe this is likely a miscarriage of justice. I believe the most likely death cause for the deaths of these children was enteroviral neonatal deaths in the summers of 2015 & 2016. These infections can be fatal for neonatals. I believe the paediatricians involved are not trained to spot this and didnt know what the hell was going on and/or couldnt understand the sudden collapses of these children. Unexplained deaths to them; in the summer of 2015 and letby was around the babies. Likely coincidence. Then it started happening again the next year in June 2016 and saw her on duty again and thought it has to be her involved with the sudden deaths. Jumping to conclusions. Then afterwards the prosecution has concocted an explanation that is wrong. It seems to be taken from a previous case. I believe there was cluster of fatal/lethal and/or disabling enteroviral outbreaks that affected these neonatal babies and died. When you look at this case this explanation makes the most sense. When you break down this lady's character from the things out there. It absolutely does not match a psychopathic serial killer for a start.
Their case against her doesnt make any logical sense. My explaination do.
Very small babies often die?
Thats what Lucy thought so she hurried them along. But some live - give them a chance
Oh come on
Yes by natural causes , but not by being injected with a overdose of insulin and other over the top unreal scenarios.
They do
It’s gut wrenching and sad but they do
There’s a whole memorial in Chester for babies that have passed
@@andrewashmore8000she hasn’t been convicted for the insulin
Not enough evidence apparently
She was bored at work. So needed some action. So sick..
ha ! I know sometimes how awful is hospital birocracy & hierarky. busy with administrative things, while the ones handling patients are not qualified. and no review / control
A decent take on the issue and one from someone actually qualified to diagnose and treat etc. Notice how at no point did he mention psychopathy which seems to have been flung about by other talking heads who arent even qualified on these issues. So far this is only the second sensible statement made on the case on youtube.
So true
I think Dr Das had some very important things to say about the notes to
It’s easy to judge outside the psychiatric and legal system. ABSOLUTELY no excuse, but it’s extremely complicated.
Well obviously there are signs now after the fact. No one saw what she would become until it was too late. It's easy to diagnose her now....they can see what she did.
How does an innocent show remorse?
I would love to know how her parents and friends feel now that she has been sentenced. Surely now they must see she is guilty!! I also wonder will Lucy finally come clean in prison?
Her motive? Maybe among other things;
It was like extreme sibling rivalry. Those little babies were getting all the attention instead of her. They were smaller and cuter than she was. "Pathetic little worms which would not stay alive if she was not there. Not worth of life, much less than her." So she should live and they should die. It was always her life against their lives. And if she snuffer theirs, her life was more worth of it.
She was a single child. Maybe there was something there. Not wanting to share attention in a situation were she had no way of competiting them by being more clever or cuter than them. So the only way to win was to kill them and take their place? Then follow up by observing the parents affection and love to their dead babies. Seeing that grief again and again must been fascinating. Maybe something that she never observed from her own parents? The signs of extreme emotions. It must been like learning the value of children to their parents again and again.
I heard one psychiatrist talking about the possibilities of 'blue code junky' and 'god complex'... what are your thoughts on these theory motives? Is there a specific condition that involves being involved in other people's grief process Dr Das?
What is a "God Complex"? Are you suggesting that God is in control of deciding who lives and who dies? Might as well blame it on God. That's not how life works. Lucy Letby murdered these babies, not God.
Think I just got your reply on Talk Tv with David and Nicola 😉 awesome!
Do you have a link to your article, would love to read it? 📚
I do agree re the dominance and control not being the case.
Even unintentional harm is possible. Surely pairing her with a colleague could have prevented harm, deliberate or accidental.
Exactly
there were red flags, people complained and were told to shhhh.. so there were red flags.. watch the case
I can´t understand how is it possible to be a psycopath and nobody noticed? the parents did not noticed, the techers, the colegues, nobody noticed anyting? Perhaps she is just a bad person, an irresponsible simple very bad person.
She's not a psychopath she is just a killer and killers kill
Leaking pipes in the ward, shes innocent.
Of the 7 or 8 she was charged with murder - post mortem showed ALL BUT ONE WERE NATURAL CAUSES
Some sort of brain malformation as in psychopathy, so we will never really understand why.
Florence Nightingale nearly 2 centuries ago. Lucy Letby in 2023.😮
I think what has been said is correct she was born with phyco tendencies which later developed she needs treatment people whose brains do not work normally need medical assistance and care she did show emotion when get doctor friend spike it was reported as it was reported she does not feel emotion like normal people it's a bit scary her companions in the jail where she's going
I followed the case for from the beginning to end on you tube & we are all trying to work LL out Yhe only person who will be able to answer is her herself which will never happen but HPD comes to mind Only reason i mentioned that type of personality disorder due to the fact she thrived on attention and drama Me me me Pity pity pity Then trys to playdown in court that shes such a trustworthy person.. Just a opinion
I cannot understand her motive. Nothing fits.
If I was innocent there's no way I'd not be in the court room while the verdict was read and while I was being found guilty, I'd make that much noise stating my innocence that no one would get a word in edgeways. No way would I sit there prim and proper. Sometimes I think defense lawyers make people act in a way that makes them look guilty. You can lock me up for another 30 years for causing a scene, I wouldn't care one bit so long as I'd stated my innocence
People react differently in court rooms, no person is the same.
She wasn’t prim and proper. She was broken.
Maybe there were no red flags because she's actually innocent?
Rehabilitated 🙄 isn’t that a genius question 🙄
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I hope her house is sold and all her money including superannuation is shared out amongst all grieving parents.
My son took his own life 4 years ago, his mum and myself received money ftom a insurance policy.
I can tell you it made no difference what's so ever to my grieving!!
Dr Das needs to sack his barber.
We can rely on true justice being served ...
Dr Gibbs ran away and retired 🤫
No obvious trauma in her background so where does the jealousy of the families aspect come into the equation??
Keine Traumen? Was zuwenig beachtet wird, ist die Mutter waehrend der Schwangerschaft mit Lucy. Ihre Gefuehle und mentaler Zustand koennen auch traumatisch wirken.
Was Doctors Wife a Nurse?
The NHS is innocent
Dr Das is getting into SO much. He clearly wants to be a Celeb! Too young mate so go and study more!
Maybe she is innocent as she claims. People can be wrongly convicted.
The judge and jury spent months going through the evidence, she wasn't convicted on a whim.
Not this time unless she was brainwashed by a third party, unlikely but not impossible.
No she wasn’t and yet still people can and are convicted in error
What about the two separate babies who were injected with insulin? Do you think someone else did that? Has she been framed? And the fact that the sudden and unexplained collapses stopped when she was removed from the ward. There was a lot of evidence against her.
@@msminabel9829 she wasn’t convicted for the insulin
And a a number of reasons why things changed in that unit
Starting with it being down graded
Compare apples with apples
She has been possessed by pazuzu
Hello Dr Das. I think that this personality type is so deeply deceitful that only medically qualified people, Doctors and Psychiatrists would have been able to pick up "red flags" man in the street, like the parents of the babies would have believed in her professionalism. Makes one quite sick. I also think that her life is in danger. The adage "there is honour among thieves" comes to mind. Like Dr Lauren Dickason, I think that jealousy and resentment are key factors in these crimes
It's 'There’s NO honour among thieves'. I'm sure of it without Google. She'll survive prison 😂
I suppose she proves you can be born evil...