"I gotta get my skill up to where it matches my mind" That is so insane, hearing my exact philosophy (I'm a musician) coming from a martial artist. Two so seemingly completely different fields and yet so connected,. I'm having my mind blown here.
Beyond the mind is 'Knowledge', as the experience of Knowing, of recognition. The intellect thinks, the spirit Knows. This is the core of the authentic religious experience, like it or not.
@@EnigmaticPeanut this...is bullshit. If you wanna discuss the difference between brain and mind, i'll get it on that but don't come here with "spirit", trying to talk with authority. The brain is an organ it controls the body, it stores memory and processes electrical signals "like it or not", your mind is your conciousness, your interpretation of the stimulus your brain has processed. Through meditation, the practitioner is supposed to calm their mind so as to gain focus. Spirits come in bottles.
Martial art is not just combat skills but it’s a form of art, because how a practitioner puts people into submission or practices forms can always be articulate; with respect, honor, gentleness, aggressiveness, gracefully, or ruthlessness. That’s why we love seeing high level martial artists perform.
Who said you have to be noble to be a warrior? A warrior is someone who willing chooses to fight, selfish or noble cause included. Take the samurai for example, they practiced Bushido. There was a lot of philosophy in Bushido, some of was for "noble" cause and some of it was about improving ones self spiritually and mentally...as very selfish cause. Martial arts or combat can be a very physical expression of ones philosophy...and as for doing it for monetary gain, if an "artist" is commissioned to paint a picture of the current state of the middle east, there going to be painting a scene based off what they believe to be true. Which is based off of there mind set and morals at the time. Which is based off there philosophical beliefs of life. So, is that artist no longer an artist or philosophical since he did it as a commission or is he still an artist who pored his mind, heart, and soul into that piece or work and made it the best he could at the time?
@Seven V Don't confuse violence with aggression. Men are aggressive, it is part of our nature and our genetic structure and has been necessary for the survival of humankind since before the dawn of civilization. However, violence is an unjustifiable means of aggression. There is also plenty of honor when using aggression in the defense of the innocent, to right a wrong, or to preserve the peace. The philosophy is contained within that discussion of its justification, and to substantiate the use of that aggression.
This is actually the misconception that most people get around Chinese martial arts. What the Chinese refer to as "kung fu", in Mandarin , 功夫 ,it literally means a "lifetime accomplished skill", it can be a martial skill, a cooking skill , a running skill , an acrobatic skill, but most people refer to it as the martial skill used in Chinese martial arts nowadays. Martial art, can be defined into two ways,the skill 武功and the art武術. One focused on its practical application and one emphasizes the deeper layers of its making. Martial skill , is really simple, you do not train for performance, you train for combat, the original purpose of what martial art was created for, to kill. If you're proficient at it, you are learning the martial skill. The way of the art is much deeper , and it's lacking and ignored by most humans nowadays. Why? Because people are more logical and rationalized nowadays, they want quick results, and they want simple and fast. The art is what separates a master from a beginner, for the master knows both the art and the skill. The way of the art in the martial way is subtle, it's like looking at a painting. Some may see it as just a regular painting , whereas some could dwell deeper and gaze into the painting and find its subtle beauty. To know the art in the martial way is to find peace and harmony within one's self , and accept the way, for all there is. As the old saying goes, "The only enemy is yourself" For one who knows the art, he has no more enemies, because he is at peace with himself and in harmony with all there is.
You get the award for 'most insightful and philosophical comment' on here, lol. I'm guessing you are in the MA's, because you definitely know what you're talking about.
Thank you! I've tried to explain this to people too, but they don't really listen. Another point is that Chinese martial arts and skills are extremely practical in a real fight. Many skills used in UFC stem from Shaolin. It's just "traditional" "masters" give it a bad rep because they don't spar or train like a fighter. So people blame that and the style. When it isn't the style at all. Let me know what y'all think. I am open to to discussion! MA is my passion after all.
Those are mostly interesting ideas except your last sentence. You can't be at harmony with all there is when there are entire governments trying to oppress and enslave others. Sex traffickers should be your enemy.
And that’s why someone at 24 y.o. can start jiu jitsu while having never trained anything if their whole life and in three years become a pretty nice, valid, worth opponent to anyone in the UFC.
I did tkd almost became a black belt but i was reckless in high school. I transitioned to muay thai and kickboxing and I never told anyone about my tkd background... I had about close to 20 muaythai & kickbox bouts... I have to say... I always felt my tkd background gave me an advantage in terms of my movement ability, speed, agility and defense. Especially when combos on both sides start teeing off and we re both in the pocket exchanging.. my shin always manages to connect with either my opponents body or head. I always had complements of how nice my kicks looked and how hard I was able to swing even in not so good positions. I can tell when MMA fighters didnt have a traditional martial arts background, even if they are pro... with how ugly they re kicks look and they re footwork.
I absolutely agree with you. I have a similar background to you and It always irked me how they moved. Horrible spatial awareness, movment is not fluid and absolutely horrible foot work and defense. It looks so disjointed.
Ahhh yeah meditation, let the thoughts be clouds that pass you, Krishnamoorthi and Bruce lee and... and musashi! Yeah his stuff too! The guy sounds like a keen student who wouldn’t pass the theory test but will smash through the practical.
great talk ... really like hearing the 'warrior path' in the true light of human (spiritual) evolution rather than just the psychoPhysical aspect. I would like to interject 'no mind' is fully possible i.e. it is ultimately who we are ... source awareness opens fully with the cessation of mind.
In the Marine Corps they say “war is an art not a science” but they also say “technically and tactically proficient”. Because warfare isn’t just the science of the standoff of differing systems or the knowledge to integrate advanced technology but it’s also how you lead, how you use ambushes and retrograding and these other things that aren’t an absolute solution but are rather what solution you come up with and how well it works
Vipsana meditation I believe is what Joe practices concentrating on observing the breathing which is usually a subconscious thing as most of the time your body does it automatically same as your heart beating we are not thinking beat beat beat. So focusing on the breathing stills your mind as your focusing on the now on a subconscious thing but thoughts still rattle around and its mad when thoughts that you have no control come to you it makes you realise that you are not your mind as you the consciousness is observing it. I need to get back in to practising meditation. I think a lot of things can be meditative though as long as your focus is living in the moment not forwards or backwards.
Words can do more damage than a bullet. I learned that at a young age but the area I grew up in also taught me to be tough and no matter what won lose or draw just show up lol
I think he means that there's an overlap between fighting and real life. The skills translate outside of the sport as well. You'll never basketball your attackers off of you. Or use baseball to protect you're family.
You can't use a bat to defend your family? Rogan is just doing his job as a sales rep for the UFC and MMA, we can not forget that. He can wax poetically about it, but we know where his bread is buttered. Basketball and baseball are forms of competition.. all sports are, and all sports train you to deal with competition in life. As for defending/protecting your family, an arm bar wont help you against a guy with a blade or a gun, so lets slow down with the idea that combat sports are some magical skill that lets you dodge bullets and be impervious to blades. i get what you're saying and he is saying, in my opinion combat sports are just that, a sport and not an art.
NIK shut the fuck up vring ur bat ill kick it in half then give u a roundhouse to your face thats wheb you will realise baseball was shit and u should of trained in martial arts and not some shitty sport
Every combat art has rules, granted the UFC has the least rules, but rules none the less. The only true test of battle is combat to the death, everything else is a degree of that. Football and Rugby are brutal sports. Many sports fit the definition you laid out very nicely. The only difference is that MMS is an individual sport so there is more pressure to win. Because Rogan has never played a team sport, he is not aware of what is required of people in team sports. There are different levels to everything. A specialist tennis pro is as gifted as a top level MMS fighter. As for Martial Art and Martial Skill, there is a cavernous gap in MMS/UFC fighters in the spiritual aspects of Martial Arts. They have the mental and the physical, but vast majority lack the spiritual understanding of Martial Arts. That's why I call it MMS, because for you to call it MMA, you must have the spiritual aspects as well. And if you have the spiritual aspect, you would not be a combat fighter.
NIK MA (Martial Arts) and combatant competition is a direct expression of what you have learned and what your body can achieve independently. No general sport connects with real life as physical combat does, because the stimuli isn't strong as Fight-or-Flight. I've played baseball, preformed vocally in group choir, practiced MA, and have done extreme sports all of my life, and there is NOTHING that resonates with your natural abilities how fighting does.
mpforeverunlimited Lots of people have piece of shit dads. (Not saying that’s the OP’s case) Nothing wrong with disrespecting a man who threw respect away.
Awww, I thought there was gonna be a lot more fireworks, but that's because I read *Martial Arts vs Marital Skills* .....figured some knowledge defense from flying frying pans was gonna get dropped
My mom's boyfriends brother trained with Eddie Bravo and Joe to train for this competition and he got 3rd place in this amature world championship competition and the ref ended the fight early becuase he wouldn't tap in an arm bar, wonder if Joe and Eddie remember Ethan
Carlos Martinez That's a good story bro. Don't worry about and or comment back to the trolls. Sigh. I am 42 and hate that term. Don't worry about the ass holes.
One of the better martial art discussions. Everything you guys talked about are elements of traditional kung fu: psychology, mind over matter, breathing, meditation, overcoming adversity... this is kung fu, not a style. Great conversation!
10:38 Seems someone doesn't understand the meaning of "clear your mind." It means to focus on the task at hand. Then, there are many things in this video that showed your lack of understanding of words and concepts. The whole topic is an argument in semantics.
I like the distinction they are making. How many times did a famous artist draw or paint a still life or practice color selection and shading before they become truly skilled and produce something uniquely original and technically extraordinary. I think my analogy works here... hopefully.
Right on this is exactly the point I've been trying to get across to people for years martial art should be an expression of you & yourself there are too many rules because in a fight there is no rules there is just one person trying to take your life martial arts to me anyways in my own personal opinion is something that should flow something you should make a part of you not just when you step on the mat but a part of your everyday life but people get things mixed up when it comes to martial arts personally I believe that it's 90% mental 10% physical if you don't build that strong mental Foundation then if you're not careful you will fail
Respect ✊ for Matt Brown - didn’t realize his level of thought/understanding - Joe is absolutely right that the mind/brain is like the body, you can let it waste away & atrophy or develop it to its fullest. No mind = The zone = Deactivation of the frontal cortex
You should get Todd Labrie in the room with you guys. He runs his Kitsune-Ryu Bujitsu in San Jose. That man had an unreal obsession with martial arts, and amazing lineage
5:40 for a long time I thought I was alone because my obsession started with Dragon Ball Z you know the testosterone the screaming the battle damage the overcoming the obstacles under impossible odds it got me pumped up in a way that nothing else ever did and then whenever it came to doing martial arts it was so natural for me to just sit down and forget the rest of the world existed and now several years later I've come to realize I have insomnia and when I don't sleep I will lay in my bed thinking God I can't wait till I get to the UFC I want to make waves so badly I want to walk that mile I want to experience the different kinds of people paying and humility that this wonderful art and Sport can grace a person with it makes me happier than anybody can never believe to express that Obsession in the form of my intense determination to learn grow and win as a fighter and martial artist.
The struggle to get your mind where your skills are. That's what I remember to this day when I saw De La Hoya lose to Mayweather. I never saw Mayweather get outskilled before or after that fight but Oscar didn't have the mindset to keep bringing it.
I found that the best form of zen was to use physical training and concentrate on the movement and the muscle play within the movement, I can't do zen without physical movement.
Martial Arts is about self defence yes, but meditation to find your position in this World and to become mentally stable, as said one Bruce Lee as he said it Is honestly expressing oneself with ones entire body.
@@ubcroel4022 judo doesn't have to be brutal. In fact, aikido is a marital art that roughly means "old man way". It's not brutal at all, just effective. It's about bettering your mind so you can put your body through harder situations in life. However, nothing is more frightening than a face to face combative situation. That is nothing more than a training exercise at it's most basic form. Enter a dojo and actual learn please. Do just be arrogant and think you know what you're talking about.
@@kylenewton2488 aikido isnt effective. Sorry to break your bubble. You can't fight somone and not hurt him. There's a reason there are no aikido practitioners in mma, it just doesn't work.
@@bingbong6127 After 6 years of training in it, I hate to burst your bubble, but I've seen it done. I never suggested it for mma, because that's stupid. But if you want to go that far, how about you look up this dude named Lyota Machida (who was known for training in aikido, so already your argument is invalid. Please do research before talking.) I only suggested it as a training device to help put your body through more, such as the great Lyota had done. This martial art was made by a 70 year old who still wanted to train. It was never meant to be used in a cage. It's a street-style mainly because out on the street you're not 1. forced into a cage with one another 2. Have multiple ways out 3. no rules and 4. a street fight often derives from more erratic emotions, so its pacifist-approach is perfect. That's where aikido is meant to be used; where emotions are high and you can carry someone's momentum. You can also watch videos that show it's ability on the streets. Sorry dude, but if you haven't seen it done, it's because you haven't been around it long enough. And besides, why would mma fighters, in their 20's and 30's use martial art skills made for 70 year olds? Other than a mental game to help work your grabs/holds it doesn't offer much in a ring. It's also a small-joint effecting style which is illegal in mma.
I watched this video months ago, but thought about it recently because it showed back up on my feed, so please excuse me if I don’t remember Brown’s point well enough. I’m not watching it again. - - - I agree with Brown to a point and respect his experience, toughness, and his views, but when you draw an arbitrary line as to who you do and don’t consider a martial artist (that puts you in the group based on how you express your martial skills), then that line can be drawn by someone else that excludes you. What if a special forces operator who trains in Jiu Jitsu, Krav Maga, western boxing, etc and has used said skills to actually kill terrorists during missions decides that anyone who restricts their martial skills to sport (including MMA) where they are guaranteed a similar-sized opponent, rules/regs, time limits, etc isn’t a true martial artist because they haven’t exercised their martial skills in a truly life or death situation, such as war? The sword Mr. Brown is using can cut both ways.
What he is describing at the end with the whole "no mind" thing rings reminiscently of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. Good book. I recommend it to any one who struggles with self consciousness issues or a constant chattering of the mind.
Jawpz Amazing book. Read it when I was 18 and still the best insights I ever had came from that book. Got me into meditation as well and greatly improved all areas of my life and still do
It is possible not think at all but it's just very difficult. Specially if you can't retreat or have a very relaxed and quiet life for a long period of time without people, tv, music, etc.
Silvafox Check out post fight self commentaries on youtube. Fighters talk about what they think in the moment, and it’s insanely thoughtful. Lots of strategy, people will discuss how they notice a tell in their opponent’s game, and how they counter it. They’ll also talk about how they take a mental step back (while getting the shit kicked out of them) to reassess their failing plan of attack. I’m sure the mechanical moves like armbar or close guard sweep are just flow, but the overarching direction they take is very much intentional.
What's great about jiujitsu is that you must spar during every class. It's not about just working on moves. By doing so, you don't get a false sense of your ability. If you are getting tapped a lot, you know you have to be humble.
His distinction between Martial Skill and Martial Art wasn't bs. It is analogous to teaching someone how to paint and painting the Mona Lisa. The art element is expressed, and is unique to the artist, while the skill can be taught/learned by anyone.
when your practice martal arts. your suposed to trying to get your fighting skills to level that there art it's called mastery, or mastering an art form.
Hi I have been listening to u on here I actually been doing Krav Maga for two years Now I have s brown belt But the road to learning marshal arts is hard. Being 47 years old it’s hard to learn something like a marshal art for the first time I’m my class I’m in basic class even with a brown belt but I’m Moving to Enfield ct to another dojo called delta Krav Maga in east long meadow mass I went to newton north high school and graduated in 1989 I hope this doesn’t sound creepy but I was reading about u and u said I went to newton south and I graduated a couple years before me that’s cool because u don’t find a lot of people who graduated around the same time and the same area
Great book.... It's not about Speed, it's about Rhytm! That's applicable to Martial Arts, TMA, Dancing, even DATING... anything life really.. Notice all the ''pro'' (fighter,dancer etc..) they never seem to go ''fast'' but are always on the rythm (especially quick rythm)... A philosophy to incorporate
I don't think it was long-winded, he just wasn't very good at redefining what he was trying to convey. What i believe he was trying to define, is Martial skill - techniques that you learn e.g. single leg, double leg, arm bar etc, where as Martial art - how a person brings the techniques together to express one's own style of combat
OK, compare what you just wrote to the wikipedia definition of martial arts, "codified systems and traditions of combat practices". His definition was incredibly long-winded. It's like saying painting isn't art, it's a skill. Again, it's semantics and it is ridiculous.
A sport is just a game played competitively, and a game is a structured form of play. So the question is if MMA is a game, which is obviously is as it is definitely not a true "fight" as you would experience in the real world. There is a well defined and structured set of rules governing what you can and can not do. Art, games and work are all forms of self-expression, but calling a sport an "art", or vice-versa, doesnt make either act more or less expressive.
I just trip out personally how some people believe they can take a few lessons and it doesn't matter what the martial arts is but there's people out there that they believe they can study for a month or two and know what they're doing you have to study for years and years in most cases not sure there might be exceptions but no matter what martial arts you can't just take a few lessons and think you know what you're doing it doesn't work like that and most people who study for long long time don't look for fights they tried to avoid them the people that are looking for fights think that they can take two classes and just dominate people those people just don't understand what the martial arts are and stand for no matter what martial arts you choose
"I gotta get my skill up to where it matches my mind" That is so insane, hearing my exact philosophy (I'm a musician) coming from a martial artist. Two so seemingly completely different fields and yet so connected,. I'm having my mind blown here.
Same bruh
It's the human experience. Just goes to show you we have more in common than we do differences.
I love this comment
Because music is maths when you get real deep.... then so becomes ju jitsu....
Both are about perfect timing! 😁
"Dude, that"ll pay my rent" - Hilarious
That's what she said.
“You have to have a certain amount of ‘fuck it’ in you” is such a solid line
No mind = Ultra Instinct
How do you manage to fuck an adjective?
Mhmm
I’ve been studying this state . Joe is really good at explaining the flow .
Beyond the mind is 'Knowledge', as the experience of Knowing, of recognition. The intellect thinks, the spirit Knows.
This is the core of the authentic religious experience, like it or not.
@@EnigmaticPeanut this...is bullshit. If you wanna discuss the difference between brain and mind, i'll get it on that but don't come here with "spirit", trying to talk with authority. The brain is an organ it controls the body, it stores memory and processes electrical signals "like it or not", your mind is your conciousness, your interpretation of the stimulus your brain has processed. Through meditation, the practitioner is supposed to calm their mind so as to gain focus. Spirits come in bottles.
I love that he is showing the world how Sport Psychology can help martial artists in regards to mental toughness. Keep it up!
They’re now called “Martial Skillists”
Martial art is not just combat skills but it’s a form of art, because how a practitioner puts people into submission or practices forms can always be articulate; with respect, honor, gentleness, aggressiveness, gracefully, or ruthlessness. That’s why we love seeing high level martial artists perform.
Matt: I'm the most obsessed person ever
Joe: do you do that shit everyday?
Matt: well, I wouldn't say everyday, I skip days
Obsessed with fighting, not necessarily with meditation
^
Fighting is kinda the quintessential "sport"
The epitome of man vs man...
or women vs women
Man vs Man ^
@@Zesrii It is MAAM!
@@marcusscaff00 Ma'am vs. Ma'am*
Definitely more than a sport. A fight is ten times more intense than a sport
I love how people dont think that fighting or warriors arent philosophical.
Doubble neggative, most people don't think that fighters and warriors are philosophical.
Everything has it's philosophy root. But people get involved with fighting for different reasons.
Warriors requires a noble cause. These are just brutes bent on lasting longer than their opponent for monetary gain.
Who said you have to be noble to be a warrior? A warrior is someone who willing chooses to fight, selfish or noble cause included. Take the samurai for example, they practiced Bushido. There was a lot of philosophy in Bushido, some of was for "noble" cause and some of it was about improving ones self spiritually and mentally...as very selfish cause. Martial arts or combat can be a very physical expression of ones philosophy...and as for doing it for monetary gain, if an "artist" is commissioned to paint a picture of the current state of the middle east, there going to be painting a scene based off what they believe to be true. Which is based off of there mind set and morals at the time. Which is based off there philosophical beliefs of life.
So, is that artist no longer an artist or philosophical since he did it as a commission or is he still an artist who pored his mind, heart, and soul into that piece or work and made it the best he could at the time?
@Seven V Don't confuse violence with aggression. Men are aggressive, it is part of our nature and our genetic structure and has been necessary for the survival of humankind since before the dawn of civilization. However, violence is an unjustifiable means of aggression. There is also plenty of honor when using aggression in the defense of the innocent, to right a wrong, or to preserve the peace. The philosophy is contained within that discussion of its justification, and to substantiate the use of that aggression.
Them showing their matching/similar tattoos at the end is so cute and wholesome 😭💖
So Matt is trying to aquire Ultra instinct. Cool.
dang bringing up musashi was a pleasant surprise.
You gotta learn the language before inventing your own slang
All language is an invention.
Rappers these days barely know how to speak their own language so they make up words -_-
@@karlm7592 ...
Like Bruce said: "It's the art of expressing the human body." You're welcome Joe.
This is actually the misconception that most people get around Chinese martial arts.
What the Chinese refer to as "kung fu", in Mandarin , 功夫 ,it literally means a "lifetime accomplished skill", it can be a martial skill, a cooking skill , a running skill , an acrobatic skill, but most people refer to it as the martial skill used in Chinese martial arts nowadays.
Martial art, can be defined into two ways,the skill 武功and the art武術.
One focused on its practical application and one emphasizes the deeper layers of its making.
Martial skill , is really simple, you do not train for performance, you train for combat, the original purpose of what martial art was created for, to kill. If you're proficient at it, you are learning the martial skill.
The way of the art is much deeper , and it's lacking and ignored by most humans nowadays.
Why? Because people are more logical and rationalized nowadays, they want quick results, and they want simple and fast.
The art is what separates a master from a beginner, for the master knows both the art and the skill.
The way of the art in the martial way is subtle, it's like looking at a painting. Some may see it as just a regular painting , whereas some could dwell deeper and gaze into the painting and find its subtle beauty.
To know the art in the martial way is to find peace and harmony within one's self , and accept the way, for all there is.
As the old saying goes,
"The only enemy is yourself"
For one who knows the art, he has no more enemies, because he is at peace with himself and in harmony with all there is.
You get the award for 'most insightful and philosophical comment' on here, lol. I'm guessing you are in the MA's, because you definitely know what you're talking about.
@@richc.1104 and you get the award for most sarcastic piece of shit 😮😂
literally it means work bitter, or bitter work. not "lifetime accomplished skill"
Thank you! I've tried to explain this to people too, but they don't really listen. Another point is that Chinese martial arts and skills are extremely practical in a real fight. Many skills used in UFC stem from Shaolin. It's just "traditional" "masters" give it a bad rep because they don't spar or train like a fighter. So people blame that and the style. When it isn't the style at all. Let me know what y'all think. I am open to to discussion! MA is my passion after all.
Those are mostly interesting ideas except your last sentence. You can't be at harmony with all there is when there are entire governments trying to oppress and enslave others. Sex traffickers should be your enemy.
I love this conversation. And I like the way Matt thinks, would love to hear more from him.
I knew joe was gona bang on about his tank lol
And that’s why someone at 24 y.o. can start jiu jitsu while having never trained anything if their whole life and in three years become a pretty nice, valid, worth opponent to anyone in the UFC.
I did tkd almost became a black belt but i was reckless in high school. I transitioned to muay thai and kickboxing and I never told anyone about my tkd background... I had about close to 20 muaythai & kickbox bouts... I have to say... I always felt my tkd background gave me an advantage in terms of my movement ability, speed, agility and defense. Especially when combos on both sides start teeing off and we re both in the pocket exchanging.. my shin always manages to connect with either my opponents body or head. I always had complements of how nice my kicks looked and how hard I was able to swing even in not so good positions. I can tell when MMA fighters didnt have a traditional martial arts background, even if they are pro... with how ugly they re kicks look and they re footwork.
I absolutely agree with you. I have a similar background to you and It always irked me how they moved. Horrible spatial awareness, movment is not fluid and absolutely horrible foot work and defense. It looks so disjointed.
if tma was so good why did you switch?
Ahhh yeah meditation, let the thoughts be clouds that pass you, Krishnamoorthi and Bruce lee and... and musashi! Yeah his stuff too!
The guy sounds like a keen student who wouldn’t pass the theory test but will smash through the practical.
I had the opportunity to roll with him right after getting my blue belt before one of his fights. Very nice guy.
great talk ... really like hearing the 'warrior path' in the true light of human (spiritual) evolution rather than just the psychoPhysical aspect. I would like to interject 'no mind' is fully possible i.e. it is ultimately who we are ... source awareness opens fully with the cessation of mind.
In the Marine Corps they say “war is an art not a science” but they also say “technically and tactically proficient”. Because warfare isn’t just the science of the standoff of differing systems or the knowledge to integrate advanced technology but it’s also how you lead, how you use ambushes and retrograding and these other things that aren’t an absolute solution but are rather what solution you come up with and how well it works
Vipsana meditation I believe is what Joe practices concentrating on observing the breathing which is usually a subconscious thing as most of the time your body does it automatically same as your heart beating we are not thinking beat beat beat. So focusing on the breathing stills your mind as your focusing on the now on a subconscious thing but thoughts still rattle around and its mad when thoughts that you have no control come to you it makes you realise that you are not your mind as you the consciousness is observing it.
I need to get back in to practising meditation. I think a lot of things can be meditative though as long as your focus is living in the moment not forwards or backwards.
The immortal's fight with eric silva made me start watching ufc on the regular
A man who thinks before he speaks. A lost trait
Words can do more damage than a bullet. I learned that at a young age but the area I grew up in also taught me to be tough and no matter what won lose or draw just show up lol
It's a sport. All sports are expressions of what you're capable of.
I think he means that there's an overlap between fighting and real life. The skills translate outside of the sport as well. You'll never basketball your attackers off of you. Or use baseball to protect you're family.
You can't use a bat to defend your family? Rogan is just doing his job as a sales rep for the UFC and MMA, we can not forget that. He can wax poetically about it, but we know where his bread is buttered.
Basketball and baseball are forms of competition.. all sports are, and all sports train you to deal with competition in life.
As for defending/protecting your family, an arm bar wont help you against a guy with a blade or a gun, so lets slow down with the idea that combat sports are some magical skill that lets you dodge bullets and be impervious to blades.
i get what you're saying and he is saying, in my opinion combat sports are just that, a sport and not an art.
NIK shut the fuck up vring ur bat ill kick it in half then give u a roundhouse to your face thats wheb you will realise baseball was shit and u should of trained in martial arts and not some shitty sport
Every combat art has rules, granted the UFC has the least rules, but rules none the less. The only true test of battle is combat to the death, everything else is a degree of that. Football and Rugby are brutal sports. Many sports fit the definition you laid out very nicely. The only difference is that MMS is an individual sport so there is more pressure to win.
Because Rogan has never played a team sport, he is not aware of what is required of people in team sports. There are different levels to everything. A specialist tennis pro is as gifted as a top level MMS fighter. As for Martial Art and Martial Skill, there is a cavernous gap in MMS/UFC fighters in the spiritual aspects of Martial Arts. They have the mental and the physical, but vast majority lack the spiritual understanding of Martial Arts.
That's why I call it MMS, because for you to call it MMA, you must have the spiritual aspects as well. And if you have the spiritual aspect, you would not be a combat fighter.
NIK
MA (Martial Arts) and combatant competition is a direct expression of what you have learned and what your body can achieve independently. No general sport connects with real life as physical combat does, because the stimuli isn't strong as Fight-or-Flight.
I've played baseball, preformed vocally in group choir, practiced MA, and have done extreme sports all of my life, and there is NOTHING that resonates with your natural abilities how fighting does.
I have a serious problem with wanting Joe Rogan to be my Dad lol
Nick Mason: Maybe you can aspire to be good father to YOUR child one day 🌈
Kinda gay but okay
Kinda disrespectful to your actual dad
@@mpforeverunlimited
Never there and he died when I was a kid.
TMI probably.
mpforeverunlimited Lots of people have piece of shit dads. (Not saying that’s the OP’s case) Nothing wrong with disrespecting a man who threw respect away.
Awww, I thought there was gonna be a lot more fireworks, but that's because I read *Martial Arts vs Marital Skills* .....figured some knowledge defense from flying frying pans was gonna get dropped
I bet they became brothers after this. They even got the same themed tattoos at the end lol.
Matt brown seems like such a humble and cool dude. Type of guy you want as a friend
Visualisation really important in sports psychology. Johnny Wilkinson and other top Rugby goal kickers do this before every kick.
My mom's boyfriends brother trained with Eddie Bravo and Joe to train for this competition and he got 3rd place in this amature world championship competition and the ref ended the fight early becuase he wouldn't tap in an arm bar, wonder if Joe and Eddie remember Ethan
I eat ass
Fuck off bitch
Lookin ass.
Carlos Martinez That's a good story bro. Don't worry about and or comment back to the trolls. Sigh. I am 42 and hate that term. Don't worry about the ass holes.
Carlos Martinez cool story bro. Seriously. 👌👍
so awesome Joe Rogan and his guests very inspiring words to listen closely to and remember, we are lucky to be able to see this kind of stuff
joe rogan said MMA wasnt a sport...it's purely sport.......It's nothing but sport
why do you say that
fusion772 because they have to get licenses and fight for prize money
One of the better martial art discussions. Everything you guys talked about are elements of traditional kung fu: psychology, mind over matter, breathing, meditation, overcoming adversity... this is kung fu, not a style. Great conversation!
10:38 Seems someone doesn't understand the meaning of "clear your mind." It means to focus on the task at hand.
Then, there are many things in this video that showed your lack of understanding of words and concepts. The whole topic is an argument in semantics.
It's as much openness as focus.
Thumbs up for mentioning Musashi!
real deal, never disappoints ! a great fighter
I like the distinction they are making. How many times did a famous artist draw or paint a still life or practice color selection and shading before they become truly skilled and produce something uniquely original and technically extraordinary. I think my analogy works here... hopefully.
I refute that thoughtlessness is impossible, it is only exceptionally rare.
Right on this is exactly the point I've been trying to get across to people for years martial art should be an expression of you & yourself there are too many rules because in a fight there is no rules there is just one person trying to take your life martial arts to me anyways in my own personal opinion is something that should flow something you should make a part of you not just when you step on the mat but a part of your everyday life but people get things mixed up when it comes to martial arts personally I believe that it's 90% mental 10% physical if you don't build that strong mental Foundation then if you're not careful you will fail
Punctuation's a thing.
I’m going through definition now. Thanks Joe.
Respect ✊ for Matt Brown - didn’t realize his level of thought/understanding - Joe is absolutely right that the mind/brain is like the body, you can let it waste away & atrophy or develop it to its fullest. No mind = The zone = Deactivation of the frontal cortex
All my suggested videos are now Joe Rogan
You should get Todd Labrie in the room with you guys. He runs his Kitsune-Ryu Bujitsu in San Jose. That man had an unreal obsession with martial arts, and amazing lineage
The meditation technique he's describing sounds like standard Zazen, which Bruce Lee practiced. It's widely taught and very useful.
5:40 for a long time I thought I was alone because my obsession started with Dragon Ball Z you know the testosterone the screaming the battle damage the overcoming the obstacles under impossible odds it got me pumped up in a way that nothing else ever did and then whenever it came to doing martial arts it was so natural for me to just sit down and forget the rest of the world existed and now several years later I've come to realize I have insomnia and when I don't sleep I will lay in my bed thinking God I can't wait till I get to the UFC I want to make waves so badly I want to walk that mile I want to experience the different kinds of people paying and humility that this wonderful art and Sport can grace a person with it makes me happier than anybody can never believe to express that Obsession in the form of my intense determination to learn grow and win as a fighter and martial artist.
"I have like a library on sports psychology" also "we only use like 10% of the brain." Right your psychology is on point there lad
The struggle to get your mind where your skills are. That's what I remember to this day when I saw De La Hoya lose to Mayweather. I never saw Mayweather get outskilled before or after that fight but Oscar didn't have the mindset to keep bringing it.
Which style should Ilearn, there are so many different types of martial arts. I want to do it to stay fit and active.
Jiu jitsu if u haven’t done anything
I found that the best form of zen was to use physical training and concentrate on the movement and the muscle play within the movement, I can't do zen without physical movement.
No mind or an “ego death” is challenging to achieve but very possible.
Well Said
Martial Arts is just the study of ways of getting better at fighting. Anything else is secondary.
Martial Arts is about self defence yes, but meditation to find your position in this World and to become mentally stable, as said one Bruce Lee as he said it Is honestly expressing oneself with ones entire body.
@@diongibbsbpwp160 not even self defense, just learning to defeat another person in mutual combat
@@ubcroel4022 judo doesn't have to be brutal. In fact, aikido is a marital art that roughly means "old man way". It's not brutal at all, just effective. It's about bettering your mind so you can put your body through harder situations in life. However, nothing is more frightening than a face to face combative situation. That is nothing more than a training exercise at it's most basic form. Enter a dojo and actual learn please. Do just be arrogant and think you know what you're talking about.
@@kylenewton2488 aikido isnt effective. Sorry to break your bubble. You can't fight somone and not hurt him. There's a reason there are no aikido practitioners in mma, it just doesn't work.
@@bingbong6127 After 6 years of training in it, I hate to burst your bubble, but I've seen it done. I never suggested it for mma, because that's stupid. But if you want to go that far, how about you look up this dude named Lyota Machida (who was known for training in aikido, so already your argument is invalid. Please do research before talking.) I only suggested it as a training device to help put your body through more, such as the great Lyota had done. This martial art was made by a 70 year old who still wanted to train. It was never meant to be used in a cage. It's a street-style mainly because out on the street you're not 1. forced into a cage with one another 2. Have multiple ways out 3. no rules and 4. a street fight often derives from more erratic emotions, so its pacifist-approach is perfect. That's where aikido is meant to be used; where emotions are high and you can carry someone's momentum. You can also watch videos that show it's ability on the streets. Sorry dude, but if you haven't seen it done, it's because you haven't been around it long enough. And besides, why would mma fighters, in their 20's and 30's use martial art skills made for 70 year olds? Other than a mental game to help work your grabs/holds it doesn't offer much in a ring. It's also a small-joint effecting style which is illegal in mma.
I watched this video months ago, but thought about it recently because it showed back up on my feed, so please excuse me if I don’t remember Brown’s point well enough. I’m not watching it again. - - - I agree with Brown to a point and respect his experience, toughness, and his views, but when you draw an arbitrary line as to who you do and don’t consider a martial artist (that puts you in the group based on how you express your martial skills), then that line can be drawn by someone else that excludes you. What if a special forces operator who trains in Jiu Jitsu, Krav Maga, western boxing, etc and has used said skills to actually kill terrorists during missions decides that anyone who restricts their martial skills to sport (including MMA) where they are guaranteed a similar-sized opponent, rules/regs, time limits, etc isn’t a true martial artist because they haven’t exercised their martial skills in a truly life or death situation, such as war? The sword Mr. Brown is using can cut both ways.
What he is describing at the end with the whole "no mind" thing rings reminiscently of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. Good book. I recommend it to any one who struggles with self consciousness issues or a constant chattering of the mind.
Jawpz Amazing book. Read it when I was 18 and still the best insights I ever had came from that book. Got me into meditation as well and greatly improved all areas of my life and still do
So.. ADHD
It is possible not think at all but it's just very difficult.
Specially if you can't retreat or have a very relaxed and quiet life for a long period of time without people, tv, music, etc.
I wounder when fighters fights do they think of there combination or do they just flow
Silvafox Check out post fight self commentaries on youtube. Fighters talk about what they think in the moment, and it’s insanely thoughtful. Lots of strategy, people will discuss how they notice a tell in their opponent’s game, and how they counter it. They’ll also talk about how they take a mental step back (while getting the shit kicked out of them) to reassess their failing plan of attack. I’m sure the mechanical moves like armbar or close guard sweep are just flow, but the overarching direction they take is very much intentional.
3:40 its remindes me of Tommy in Warrior
fighting is more than a sport its an expression of what you capable off - Joe rogan
Jiddu Krishnamurti is the guy Matt Brown is talking about 10mins in.
Thanks
I definitely believe he's able to completely clear his mind of thoughts. Maybe not cobwebs, but definitely thoughts.
What's great about jiujitsu is that you must spar during every class. It's not about just working on moves. By doing so, you don't get a false sense of your ability. If you are getting tapped a lot, you know you have to be humble.
I try to go for “no mind” meditation but the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man keeps appearing!! 🤦🏻♂️
I think martial art is the art of mastering movements and martial fights is where the combat happens.
See i can talk pure bullshit too
J P Ελλάδα💯φιλότιμο💪🏼💯 All-day
But joe speaks from experience your talking out your ass. Thats the real difference.
His distinction between Martial Skill and Martial Art wasn't bs. It is analogous to teaching someone how to paint and painting the Mona Lisa. The art element is expressed, and is unique to the artist, while the skill can be taught/learned by anyone.
I felt it when he said it is more than a sport
He’s talking about Krishnamurti when he’s referring to meditating. Very wise man.
Zen Buddhism, The Empty Mind
He is talking about Kanye Westism .
TY
Jiddu Krishnamurti, to be exact.
JKD
I have a whole library of sports psychology and did that with only 10% of my mind.
What happened to the "Hello...freak bitches" intro?
MMA and catche wrestling is changing my life
It’s who we are and what we’re made of
Those lamps on the desk don't work btw. It doesn't produce more -ions.
when your practice martal arts. your suposed to trying to get your fighting skills to level that there art it's called mastery, or mastering an art form.
JEET KUNE DO. SELF EXPRESSION
💯 the very first.
Yes Bruce's Self expression.......no one else's.
It's just about speed advantage. Somebody wants to kick you in the body - you throw an overhand before he reaches you. It's type of counter punching
@BigErn_Mccraken u have no concept of reality
U know i think next 100 years this mma will be on a whole new level.
Nik J.R obviously? A hundred years is a long fuckin time
No shit...
I doubt humans will be on the planet in the next 100 years.
Nik J.R thats some dumb shit to say its already on a whole new level from 10 years ago imagine a 100
Humans won't exist in a 100 years
Hi I have been listening to u on here I actually been doing Krav Maga for two years Now I have s brown belt But the road to learning marshal arts is hard. Being 47 years old it’s hard to learn something like a marshal art for the first time I’m my class I’m in basic class even with a brown belt but I’m
Moving to Enfield ct to another dojo called delta Krav Maga in east long meadow mass I went to newton north high school and graduated in 1989 I hope this doesn’t sound creepy but I was reading about u and u said I went to newton south and I graduated a couple years before me that’s cool because u don’t find a lot of people who graduated around the same time and the same area
Joe Rogan thinks Krav Maga is bullshit. If it isnt tkd, boxing, muy Thai or BJJ, it's bullshit to joe rogaine
It’s a lifestyle. Body, mind, and spirit. I also love chess matches.
But Bonner vs Griffin was a good “fuck it” example.
Wtf is spirit
Díaz Brothers are ones not to mess with
This dude is really trying to learn Ultra Instinct.
I hate to say it but the tattoo thing was like what's mine say dude what's mine say sweet
Shibby
Dude, where's my car
One day I wanna learn wing chun and MMA!
“The roe jogan experience”
That's so awesome that they are into the book of 5 rings. That's my shit !
Great book.... It's not about Speed, it's about Rhytm! That's applicable to Martial Arts, TMA, Dancing, even DATING... anything life really.. Notice all the ''pro'' (fighter,dancer etc..) they never seem to go ''fast'' but are always on the rythm (especially quick rythm)... A philosophy to incorporate
Respect to this dude
Damn! I thought I was going to get marriage tips.....
Haha
The way they both have a tattoo of Miyamoto Musashi while mentioning him😂what a coincidence
So Matt Brown wants to achieve ultra instinct
Let's not get bogged down by semantics here.
Arm Head I agree
semantics is important, it allows thoughts to be understood through concise means
Kevin Ku, except here, his point wasn't concise, he was long-winded.
I don't think it was long-winded, he just wasn't very good at redefining what he was trying to convey. What i believe he was trying to define, is Martial skill - techniques that you learn e.g. single leg, double leg, arm bar etc, where as Martial art - how a person brings the techniques together to express one's own style of combat
OK, compare what you just wrote to the wikipedia definition of martial arts, "codified systems and traditions of combat practices". His definition was incredibly long-winded.
It's like saying painting isn't art, it's a skill. Again, it's semantics and it is ridiculous.
I wanna watch this guy fight.
A sport is just a game played competitively, and a game is a structured form of play. So the question is if MMA is a game, which is obviously is as it is definitely not a true "fight" as you would experience in the real world. There is a well defined and structured set of rules governing what you can and can not do. Art, games and work are all forms of self-expression, but calling a sport an "art", or vice-versa, doesnt make either act more or less expressive.
The competition of MMA is a sport, but if you had to face someone with those skills in real life your a goner.
"Martial Combat Guy"
Inspiring. Gratitude.
11:12 your mind is the sky and your thoughts are clouds that pass by
According to matt michelangelo was a master of fine _skills_
I just trip out personally how some people believe they can take a few lessons and it doesn't matter what the martial arts is but there's people out there that they believe they can study for a month or two and know what they're doing you have to study for years and years in most cases not sure there might be exceptions but no matter what martial arts you can't just take a few lessons and think you know what you're doing it doesn't work like that and most people who study for long long time don't look for fights they tried to avoid them the people that are looking for fights think that they can take two classes and just dominate people those people just don't understand what the martial arts are and stand for no matter what martial arts you choose
JOE PLEASE REACT TO FILIPINO KALI MARTIAL ARTS
Let the thoughts come and go until they have no value and you have no thought
There's a certain point where natural dexterity and developed skills make a difference on both sides of the spectrum.
I am not scared especially of you guest on JR. It is found in truth expressed by doing," fear them not therefore." Jil
On the part where mike tyson says about discipline,It fits about the psychology books.
You aint shit without discipline.
Discipline is the hardest.
Discipline equals freedom. Get after it!
@@KazzArie completely right...thank you bro.