The Most Broken (And Useless) Items In League of Legends History

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  • For today's video I thought about talking about a history of item design in League of Legends, talking about why items were removed in the past, and whether or not removing them was a good idea.
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  • @VarsVerum
    @VarsVerum  2 года назад +283

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    • @therendeath4886
      @therendeath4886 2 года назад +4

      Sponsored by you?! Epic

    • @Pornaphobia1
      @Pornaphobia1 2 года назад +2

      I will be missing all those videos 😜

    • @hurdurburdur4132
      @hurdurburdur4132 2 года назад +1

      please list the music you use I NEEED TO KNOW

    • @ryansatoshi7932
      @ryansatoshi7932 2 года назад +2

      @@hotlinekrapfen lmao I don't know if that's autocorrect but it says tsundere which is not divine

    • @therendeath4886
      @therendeath4886 2 года назад

      It's at 111 likes!

  • @dagdamor1
    @dagdamor1 2 года назад +884

    Everyone talking about Zz'rot and Shojin, but I'm over here remembering how absolutely impossible it was to stop a Shyvana that was given enough room to farm her Feral Flare.

    • @yuumiyuki
      @yuumiyuki 2 года назад +27

      @Noah P I miss the times when Sated Devourer made Vayne jungle viable. Every single jungler I played with back then was running it.

    • @benign_oracle8875
      @benign_oracle8875 2 года назад +19

      It allowed a few jungle champ to be able to scale to be able to solo baron which kinda defeats the purpose those powerful neutral objectives to require more team play to secure.

    • @trowabarton101
      @trowabarton101 2 года назад +24

      @Noah P feral yi still gives me nightmares

    • @laraffscarlet3666
      @laraffscarlet3666 2 года назад +10

      @Noah P that was the best jg meta that we ever had tbh

    • @adrien4269
      @adrien4269 2 года назад +30

      At least this Shyvana was an AD juggernaut as supposed to be. Current Shyvana is a Cheese Nuke.

  • @bos_outsider
    @bos_outsider 2 года назад +429

    Gangplank being disabled Because he "died" had to be the best gameplay/lore crossover Riot did.

    • @charlieflight6124
      @charlieflight6124 Год назад

      Can you explain? I don't understand

    • @adolfhitler4251
      @adolfhitler4251 Год назад

      Once gp was disabled and due to lore for 1 or 2 days

    • @Lonewolfproductions0
      @Lonewolfproductions0 Год назад +5

      @@charlieflight6124GP, who received his VGU during a bilgewater event at the time, had a game breaking bug involving his barrels giving massive XP unintentionally (Tryndamere spinning over barrels). This bug started getting reported right at the time GP “died” during the event. Now idk if Riot had planned to disable him for the event or did it because of the bug but regardless, they disabled him for a few days with the tech note “GP is dead and has been removed from the game”

    • @somo4227
      @somo4227 11 месяцев назад

      ​​@@Lonewolfproductions0i think it was intentional, he died and came back with a new skin when he came back(the curent ver) and the old version became a free skin for those who played league when the event was up

  • @m.w.7919
    @m.w.7919 2 года назад +1952

    Seriously, noone remembers or misses Athenes Unholy Grail? I used it on every single support and loved it. Getting Ap for mana regen and extra heals from dmg was great.

    • @tony1kenobi468
      @tony1kenobi468 2 года назад +223

      Athenes was so much better than moonstone, you had to apply it and it felt great giving a teammate half there health back instead of the moonstone trickle.

    • @TheAzorg
      @TheAzorg 2 года назад +144

      When lux was an actual support.

    • @jeroenverschaeve3090
      @jeroenverschaeve3090 2 года назад +113

      At some point it was a permanent blue buff and you were a complete idiot if you didn't build it on literally any mage with a mana bar... Such a big power spike when you got it, felt really good

    • @GameBreaker1055
      @GameBreaker1055 2 года назад +23

      @@jeroenverschaeve3090 Now supports just can't run out of mana anymore to make up for Unholy Grail being gone...

    • @Magare
      @Magare 2 года назад +53

      Yea, man. Playing Yuumi with Athenes Unholy Grail vs playing now with Moonstone can't be compared. F for Athenes Unholy Grail :(

  • @TyTheTurtle
    @TyTheTurtle 2 года назад +296

    Rod Of Ages is an item that needs to return. It essentially carried the AP bruiser class and went well with so many champions. Anivia, Swain, Ryze, Cho'Gath, and Kassadin using it the best. Definitely deserved to be turned into a mythic.

    • @codebracker
      @codebracker 2 года назад +2

      isn't that what fimbulwinter is for?

    • @lavie5104
      @lavie5104 2 года назад +39

      @@codebracker no you cant directly compare the two

    • @alciozc3591
      @alciozc3591 2 года назад +2

      Facts

    • @anonyme4881
      @anonyme4881 2 года назад +21

      @@codebracker It doesnt give any ap, and its passive is for melee champ only which only Kassadin or Cho Gath are
      Kassadin needs ap scaling too and is an assassin with a dash every 2 seconds, so the big shield is kinda worthless

    • @captaineflowchapka5535
      @captaineflowchapka5535 2 года назад

      the new seraph give heal , health most ap item give health

  • @yuumiyuki
    @yuumiyuki 2 года назад +607

    Imagine Spear of Shojin, Axiom Arc, and Navori Quickblades existing at the same time.

    • @Humbleberry7
      @Humbleberry7 2 года назад +197

      We have that, it’s called URF

    • @ghabsterlol7768
      @ghabsterlol7768 2 года назад +2

      OOOOOF

    • @magicinpajamas4320
      @magicinpajamas4320 2 года назад +1

      No

    • @TheLokoIl
      @TheLokoIl 2 года назад +61

      I wouldn't mind a game mode with all broken and removed items

    • @rodrigoportalesoliva897
      @rodrigoportalesoliva897 2 года назад +23

      While Spear of Shojin and Axiom Arc together sound like hell, Navori Quickblades isn't that impactful, especially in that build. Relying on 20% crit chance for the passive to proc sounds like something only Tryndamere would be able to pull off. Not even Yasuo or Yone build it

  • @walvens3080
    @walvens3080 2 года назад +101

    My only real issue with season 11's item changes is the fact that the two items I built the most got removed.
    (ROA and Athene's Unholy Grail)

  • @alejandropetit6573
    @alejandropetit6573 2 года назад +365

    Frozen mallet was extremely unfun to play against, but I absolutely loved it on champions like trundle, voli and gnar
    Zz'rot was alsoreally fun to use, back then it was one of the only items in the game to give both armor and mr and it's active was great

    • @BigMuskachini
      @BigMuskachini 2 года назад +12

      Frozen mallet literally still exists, it's just seryldas grudge. Only difference is Grudge is actually a really good item where as mallet was built 1 in 100 games

    • @delfinenteddyson9865
      @delfinenteddyson9865 2 года назад +45

      @@BigMuskachini mallet was good for off-tanks, and grudge gives you only a slow on ability. they new mallet is frostfire gauntlet, and its not as good as the mallet

    • @bevvvy1374
      @bevvvy1374 2 года назад +1

      @@BigMuskachini The thing was is that they removed mallet for a while before adding Seryldas

    • @gniewomirkosiacki2927
      @gniewomirkosiacki2927 2 года назад +1

      @@bevvvy1374 also there is a big difference if you slow with abilities or aa's - the former is faaar more unhealty imao

    • @martinc9510
      @martinc9510 2 года назад +11

      @@BigMuskachini - 700 hp though

  • @Josh-99
    @Josh-99 2 года назад +63

    As someone who one-tricked Anivia for a long time, seeing Rod of the Ages get removed really hurt. It was a hyper-efficient stat stick that the blue bird really needed.

  • @pharoahman475
    @pharoahman475 2 года назад +307

    Honestly, while I do think there are some items that are difficult to balance do to other classes (Normally assassins or fighters) making better use of them, the AD side is mostly fine. The Big issue is the AP side their trying to make it so all AP champs share an item pool so you get stuff like Battlemages, Artillery Mages, Assasins and Juggernauts all trying to itemize their own unique playstyles with the same items. Voidstaff is the only percent based Mag Pen item in the game, so its often needed in most AP builds.

    • @whyarewestillhere6381
      @whyarewestillhere6381 2 года назад +6

      Yeah, even though it gets a bit better now that there is another pen item it's still not great. As a Ryze and A Sol player myself I miss roa and glp so much. especially after they removed Ryze's shield, the shield from archangel's and the infamous A Sol rework ( rito pls revert)

    • @duc2133
      @duc2133 2 года назад +22

      As a kayle main, while shes still strong late, our mid game isnt as good since we fit in a very specific mage category that is ranged dps that works like an adc. Nashors is the only item left for us. Guinsoo(old one) and hextec gunblade were all core to us.

    • @TheAzorg
      @TheAzorg 2 года назад +2

      @@duc2133 i just go onhit with either riftmaker or kraken slayer and then do all the necessary onhit items that game.
      I might miss on some ap but I still shred ppl late game :|

    • @aaronscott7467
      @aaronscott7467 2 года назад +1

      However, ap champions also have more access to pen than any other class, even this season's adcs. Because sorc shoes and void staff exist, at two items you can already avoid almost all of an opponent's magic resist. Void staff is supposed to be an anti-tank item, but it's so effective at what it does that it is pretty much core on every single mage, excluding maybe mordekaiser because he has one built in, and vel'koz because he does large amounts of true damage. 40% magic pen is more than any other class has access to, and it's combined with boots that also provide magic pen and mythics that provide magic pen

    • @carbonbeaker409
      @carbonbeaker409 2 года назад +10

      @@aaronscott7467 The thing is, the percent magic pen doesn't stack very well. It's multiplicative, meaning a 40% and a 10% don't actually equal 50%

  • @kitkup8570
    @kitkup8570 2 года назад +49

    I miss Gunblade, it was my fav item in the whole game. (It was also overpowered at one point to the point where you could legit build 6 Gunblades and just 1v9)

  • @lorieslori8051
    @lorieslori8051 2 года назад +409

    Me, a relatively new player who only knows half of these items from TFT: that’s gonna be interesting

    • @dylans9390
      @dylans9390 2 года назад +11

      Bro same… 😭😭😭

    • @SevenRedSuns420
      @SevenRedSuns420 2 года назад +4

      Kawai

    • @nikolaivladski9905
      @nikolaivladski9905 2 года назад +25

      And then there's me, knowing Statik Shiv, Rod of Ages, and Hextech Gunblade in Wild Rift and wondered where those items were in League PC when I shifted to there couple of months ago.

    • @shilohmagic7173
      @shilohmagic7173 2 года назад +4

      I know the feeling, I’m only about a year or two older than tft

    • @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments
      @RadicalJawzFunnyMoments 2 года назад +2

      Hope you’re enjoying the game :)

  • @zachaufdermaur104
    @zachaufdermaur104 2 года назад +139

    I don't think a lack of ambiguity is a good thing in terms of items, personally I preferred all of the more fun and game-like stuff you could do with the old item system, no matter the clank and jank. Probably just a little thing, but I feel that having a bunch of random shit you could do with the other items made them more fun.

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 2 года назад +3

      Damn...I remember when Shaco's core build was Trinity + Infinity Edge + Duskblade. Fun times.

    • @DanielMontenegroBass
      @DanielMontenegroBass 2 года назад +6

      The thing is... LOL is not made to be fun anymore... It is made to be "balanced" to "professional gameplay"... And it ruins a lot of fun from the game... And it's probably one of the reasons that the game is slowly dying.
      Hope they realise it soon.

    • @theomaffioletti4670
      @theomaffioletti4670 2 года назад +2

      @@DanielMontenegroBass I think the main problem with LOL is not people leaving the game, but how hard it is to pick up. Old players tend to forget how enormous the amount of info you need to learn is to play effectively.
      Players want games to be linear, to have a routine. I think the game is balanced around that, there are less and less random shit (both items and champs).

    • @elfireii328
      @elfireii328 2 года назад +2

      @@theomaffioletti4670 new player here and i agree. If i didnt have a knowledgeable friend, i would be pretty lost. Tbh though, the recommended item system is really nice. Instantly showing the enemies it would be effective on helps alot. The unique/niche yet still viable items would be really confusing to keep track of.

    • @theomaffioletti4670
      @theomaffioletti4670 2 года назад

      @@elfireii328 I agree they made it better with season 11 (I started in season 6 and it was AWFUL).
      The recommended is very helpful, but you still have to learn every Item to understand what you and the enemy can or cannot do.
      It's still tedious, although a little bit easier now

  • @tyleredwards9799
    @tyleredwards9799 2 года назад +266

    Imo, Shadowflame fails at the niche it was advertized to fill: I.e. an item that helps mages against shields. It doesn't. It's a great flat pen item that gives great damage, however any worth it has against shields is almost entirely in damage being done *after* the shield disappears. The item itself tracks the total extra damage done against shields, and rarely does it ever get into the 3 digit marker... And this is tracking cumulative dmg.

    • @greengreen110
      @greengreen110 2 года назад +41

      idk why they couldn't just make an ap serpant's fang, that would've been good enough

    • @minfernus5540
      @minfernus5540 2 года назад +36

      and serpents fang is just so much better, with the anti shield passive that completely destroyed shields and stopped that champ from being able to generate shields again

    • @houseofmurder
      @houseofmurder 2 года назад +9

      On the other hand it also magnifies ap assassins roaming and bullying bot lane with level advantage because of its interaction with health

    • @minfernus5540
      @minfernus5540 2 года назад +8

      @@houseofmurder tbf, I have no idea why it gives health as well

    • @galaxyaoshin9205
      @galaxyaoshin9205 2 года назад +6

      the other problem is that you don't actually get any additional value against shield items like IS,Sterak since if the enemy has less than 1k health you already get full value of m pen. Like in the clip of syndra killing karma everyone uses syndra gets 20 mpen before karma uses her shield , so nothing really changes.

  • @Speeds_Gaming_Corner
    @Speeds_Gaming_Corner 2 года назад +199

    "Riot has never outright removed a champion from the game"
    Laughs in old Aatrox

    • @Xertuce
      @Xertuce 2 года назад

      Pray for him :(

    • @singeslayer8367
      @singeslayer8367 2 года назад +12

      old yorick and old urgot smh

    • @lukewarmice8292
      @lukewarmice8292 2 года назад +7

      Of Swain and ww. I miss my easy ass click ult ww. You know how dumb I look flying by someone completely missing while malzhar can still click on someone and completely take them out the game.

    • @stephengreene108
      @stephengreene108 2 года назад +1

      laughs in old sion

    • @Duothimir
      @Duothimir 2 года назад +1

      @@lukewarmice8292 And himself too. He doesn't even get the heals that Warwick gets.

  • @Abyzdecannes
    @Abyzdecannes 2 года назад +369

    Vars : "Seldom are things ever removed"
    Riot : *Laughs in Aatrox*

    • @SpookSkellington
      @SpookSkellington 2 года назад +51

      *Sad Mordekaiser noises*

    • @AcelynnRose
      @AcelynnRose 2 года назад +1

      lmfao u beat me to it

    • @carbonbeaker409
      @carbonbeaker409 2 года назад +24

      @@SpookSkellington Sad swain noises

    • @TheChristmasWarrior
      @TheChristmasWarrior 2 года назад +5

      @@carbonbeaker409 I think Swain wasn't as bad but now that I took a look at the comparisons it was still pretty terrible

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 2 года назад +10

      @@TheChristmasWarrior New Swain is just shitty version of Vladimir. His rework was huge fail.

  • @nathanowens7019
    @nathanowens7019 2 года назад +69

    i still think it's ridiculous that riot decided to remove RoA, considering they removed it because it was a niche item, yet isn't that the point of a lot of items? i keep realizing that protobelt is a niche item, think about the mages that run that item, and that it's basically locked to mages. it has the same niche as RoA. i wouldn't even be mad if they locked RoA to mythic and kept it in the game

    • @Zare122
      @Zare122 2 года назад +1

      "think about the mages that run that item, and that it's basically locked to mages" well duh, it's mage item

    • @nathanowens7019
      @nathanowens7019 2 года назад

      @@Zare122 true as fuck. "think about the assassins that run eclipse" um half of the 40 assassins in the game?

    • @XxMySsTiCxX
      @XxMySsTiCxX 2 года назад

      I dont actually think they removed RoA because it was a niche item. it was the exact opposite. it was a good item on every AP champ. Items now are much more purposeful when built. instead of just going RoA, Archangels on anyone and having it work

    • @Kellion22
      @Kellion22 2 года назад +1

      Late reply, but IIRC, they removed RoA because you have to build it early for it to be worth it (so it can stack quickly). The problem is that with the inclusion of mythics items, RoA users would have to choose between building RoA early to stack it, or building their mythical. This is the same reason why there is no dedicated jungle item other than those daggers you buy at the begining. If not, junglers would have to choose between finishing their jungle item or building a mythical. I think they explained that on the video were they introduced those changes.

    • @voilvelev6775
      @voilvelev6775 2 года назад +2

      Its the same dumb reason for why they removed Adaptive helm. Thankfully we have the new Force of nature now, but Adaptive helm was stronger.
      The funny thing is people didnt buy it because they were dumb meta slaves and dont know how to read. Everyone thought it reduces DOT dmg, even though it CLEARLY said ''dmg from the same source''. So it also reduced pet dmg, channeling abilities, aura dmg and spam spells. It countered sooo many champs, and no one even knew that :D

  • @bigguyguard
    @bigguyguard 2 года назад +99

    morellonomicon wasnt the only anti heal item, Executioner's Calling also had this feature but was a low cost item that at the time didnt build into anything.

    • @luameduardo9611
      @luameduardo9611 2 года назад

      Executioner's calling was added at season 9, before that morello was indeed the only antiheal item.

    • @alexg4711
      @alexg4711 2 года назад +35

      @@luameduardo9611 it was litteraly in the game since 2009

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 2 года назад +6

      @@luameduardo9611 you had to complete the mortal reminder for the anti heal same with marrelo before season 10

    • @luameduardo9611
      @luameduardo9611 2 года назад

      @@dankmemes8254 Thats true, I forgot about Mortal Reminder, before executioners calling was added you really had to complete the whole item.

    • @luameduardo9611
      @luameduardo9611 2 года назад

      @@alexg4711 Not really, check the wiki.

  • @jamesfarmer5967
    @jamesfarmer5967 2 года назад +13

    on mention of sword of the occult you kind of missed the third snowball sister item.. Leviathan.. it gave like 160 flat hp and gave like 15% damage reduction and up to 640 hp at 20 stacks

    • @jond2697
      @jond2697 2 года назад

      Not to mention SotO gave MS at max stacks too.

  • @tasc
    @tasc 2 года назад +58

    Definitely agree that items are not given to classes equally. The fact that tanks have to build armor and on-hit protection (Thornmail) if they want Grievous, even against the numerous magic damage healers (Mordekaiser, Gwen, Vladimir, Swain, Sylas, Sylas, Sylas...) is a complete shame. It's way too situational.
    Bruisers don't have to consider the enemy team comp when they want Grievous. If they need it, they buy it. Tanks don't have that luxury.

    • @vasto351
      @vasto351 2 года назад +10

      Exactly! Never knew why there are grievous wounds items in every type (2 ap, 2 ad, armor) but no mr one

    • @papakrit7166
      @papakrit7166 2 года назад +12

      Ey i think you frgot sylas ny guy

    • @LuckySoftpaw
      @LuckySoftpaw 2 года назад +1

      If you want to see grievous wounds handled better look at Smite. Tank grievous items reduce healing through an aura and exist for both armour and mr

  • @siddharthravishankar7243
    @siddharthravishankar7243 2 года назад +104

    Yeah nah, riot definitely has a favoritism towards assassins and bruisers. Serpent's fang is a shield nerf item. Shadowflame was *expected* to be an AP version of it. Instead what we got was a magic pen item, which in no way nerfs or breaks shields. You just get magic pen, which is of no purpose if the enemy is sitting behind a shield. Not to mention, Serpent's fang scales with shield power, which shadowflame does NOT do. So if the enemy has a big enough shield (or even just a shield paired with high damage output) they can quite literally make shadowflame irrelevant. Whereas you can't do that against serpent's fang because the better your shield, the more it's being debuffed by the percentage reduction.

    • @Bloodbeast327
      @Bloodbeast327 2 года назад

      At least you have an "anti shield" item - adc

    • @sonwig5186
      @sonwig5186 2 года назад

      Riot is clearly biased towards mages. Just look at how insane mage items are: Zhonyas which is built on every ap champion, Rabadons which has the best stats in the game and Dark seal which at some points had so much base stats people would buy multiple, on top of the passive which is broken considering this is a snowballing game already. Mages destroy every class except assassins, which is the other class riot loves (because it is flashy)

    • @voilvelev6775
      @voilvelev6775 2 года назад +11

      @@sonwig5186 what are you talking about, before the addition of Crown mages were cucked for 2 years.

    • @sonwig5186
      @sonwig5186 2 года назад

      @@voilvelev6775 Don't care try playing any top laner into mages. Hashinshin is right.

    • @voilvelev6775
      @voilvelev6775 2 года назад +8

      @@sonwig5186 Ye, because thats degenerate pick, just like playing vayne or top. That doesnt mean there's a problem with the class itself.

  • @casualnerd8139
    @casualnerd8139 2 года назад +262

    They maybe intend the items for specific roles, but Yone/Yasuo with Shieldbow are still the worst thing to ever hit the rift...

    • @snowyrune
      @snowyrune 2 года назад +21

      Their passive is also the worst thing that ever happened to the game.

    • @ian77444
      @ian77444 2 года назад +55

      Almost all items have reduced usefulness if you are ranged,shieldbow should give less shield if you are mele

    • @casualnerd8139
      @casualnerd8139 2 года назад +3

      @@ian77444 100% agree

    • @user-lw1qe7hm3p
      @user-lw1qe7hm3p 2 года назад +7

      @@ian77444 they will gut the item for everyone so adc's will have only 2 items now

    • @ian77444
      @ian77444 2 года назад +19

      @@user-lw1qe7hm3p thats why i just wanna se a nerf in mele champs,we have lots o items and runes that are worst if you are ranged,having only 1 bad item if you are mele is the most reasonable nerf

  • @CharlieCordero
    @CharlieCordero 2 года назад +9

    3 things i miss
    1. Old rilay - you could slow dudes with basics, not just abilities
    2. old swain - the way u could use beatrice (crow) to zone opponents
    3. ZZ portal - it was fun

  • @moonsy1773
    @moonsy1773 2 года назад +143

    kinda wished that Zzrot wasnt removed since I used that item whenever the enemy team destroyed an inhibitor pretty good for stalling enemy minions tbh

    • @sspectre8217
      @sspectre8217 2 года назад +30

      I miss zzrot, I wish they’d add a few items with more interesting actives like zzrot

    • @KhajiitKharjo
      @KhajiitKharjo 2 года назад +9

      ZZ'rot :(

    • @Essence1123
      @Essence1123 2 года назад +16

      ZzRot was a great purchase once you were full build. Sell any item, buy zzrot, place it, sell zzrot, rebuy original item

    • @PlanADidntWorkOut
      @PlanADidntWorkOut 2 года назад +22

      the legendary Singed 420 triple proxy will live in our hearts forever

    • @bigredracecar27
      @bigredracecar27 2 года назад +2

      @@PlanADidntWorkOut almost forgot about him, man those were the days

  • @chezwickcheese139
    @chezwickcheese139 2 года назад +21

    AP Bruisers need better itemization, simply as that. AD have everything they could ever want at the moment while Mages just continue to be nerfed.

    • @epic1053
      @epic1053 2 года назад +2

      Aha aha aha aha
      Lmao so many ap champs with 52% plus win rate and you mage players are still crying its crazy. In the mid lane like 70 percent of the OP and s tier picks are AP.
      Lux , viktor, annie, sylas , kassasin, anniva, kayle, vex. Dont even need to win lane with them to climb , just don't go 0/3 and you will hard carry the mid to late game team fights.
      Also mid lane is the only lane where you can fairly compare AP and AD champs since there are way more AD champs in the game, mid is the only role with a similar amount of AP and AD champs.
      Support has way more ap champs and is dominated by AP.

    • @7SGThenkai
      @7SGThenkai 2 года назад

      @@epic1053 Did you seriously not mention akali? xD

    • @calem6470
      @calem6470 2 года назад +1

      @@epic1053 The original comment is about AP bruisers, and you mentioned a bunch of AP burst mages or AP marksman like Kayle. They're not the same. Maybe read and comprehend first before you go on your little tangent and cry about mages?
      In case you need clarification because you seem like someone who is only pretending to know what they're talking about, AP bruisers are champions like Malphite, Mordekaiser, Rumble, Swain and Lillia.

    • @epic1053
      @epic1053 2 года назад +2

      @@calem6470 the virginity is strong with this one

    • @calem6470
      @calem6470 2 года назад

      @@epic1053 Just admit you were wrong, lmao. Such fragile ego

  • @skeleton8559
    @skeleton8559 2 года назад +126

    Love that they removed adaptive helm for being too situational yet added another burn item, so now double burn exists and they removed the one tank item to counter to dot damage.

    • @NaturizedOnline
      @NaturizedOnline 2 года назад +29

      Yea, with almost every ap champ building Liandrys these days...I really miss adaptive...

    • @HolyShitNew
      @HolyShitNew 2 года назад +9

      adaptive was the perfect item
      i still dont understand why they removed it and wish to buy it in certain games

    • @jeroenverschaeve3090
      @jeroenverschaeve3090 2 года назад +8

      @@HolyShitNew Updated force of nature kinda fills the niche now IMO, I'm glad they changed it

    • @HolyShitNew
      @HolyShitNew 2 года назад +2

      @@jeroenverschaeve3090 while i agree that the changes to it are nice
      It still is a worse option than adaptive helm with adaptive helm not being broken op or anything
      It made you tankier in a time where riot didnt try to make every oneshot everyone

    • @euqinemor
      @euqinemor 2 года назад

      The problem is that Adaptative helm counters the very few dot champions in lol too hard like Teemo, Cassiopeia, Brand, Malzahar and Swain, they straight up become useless against those that they are supposed to counter and the extra AP also helps against any other AP brust they might receive, it was just too powerful.

  • @ironsightsmcgillycudy7753
    @ironsightsmcgillycudy7753 2 года назад +5

    RoA being removed also took Karthus out of midlane for almost half of the last year outside of super safe match ups.

  • @TMJJack
    @TMJJack 2 года назад +64

    Spear of Shojin worked on pre-rework Tahm even if you cancelled the ult, so if you were willing to cancel the ult every time, you could have its passive up virtually always.

  • @bimbojojo1841
    @bimbojojo1841 2 года назад +17

    The original Force of Nature was one of my favorite items back in the day. It gave health regen%, magic resist and movement speed. They got rid of it because the stats didn't "synergize" with each other.

    • @KaiSoDaM
      @KaiSoDaM Год назад +1

      rammus and singed disagree lol

    • @ryanchase9332
      @ryanchase9332 Год назад +1

      FoN was removed because it was stupidly effective on tanks and created a balance nightmare, especially as they pushed new mages.

  • @OccuredJakub12
    @OccuredJakub12 2 года назад +16

    > Riot has never deleted a champion
    Aatrox would like a word with you

  • @bmac4
    @bmac4 2 года назад +6

    I just hate how the new items felt like they exist to patch weaknesses. Immobile ADC? Just buy Galeforce! Bruiser without a ton of sustain? Goredrinker! Ult has a lot of influence on a game but set on a long cooldown? Axiom Arc! Stridebreaker used to be *the* Darius item when it gave him mobility, because when your champion's biggest weakness is immobility, just fix it with a gap closer item!
    Also they really fucked over supports. Support items are terrible for income so you really don't have a means of getting money on that role anymore, which sucks when mythics drive the meta and are the most expensive items, and their power partly comes from their ability to empower legendary items but you can barely afford anything after your mythic.

    • @Number9Robotic
      @Number9Robotic 2 года назад +1

      Talk about a transparently biased comment lmao

  • @baval5
    @baval5 2 года назад +7

    The biggest hypocrisy in league itemization: why was spell vamp so OP it had to be removed but lifesteal is on like six items now.

    • @poom323
      @poom323 2 года назад +3

      And lifesteal also apply on some cancer champion skill....

    • @MangaGamified
      @MangaGamified 2 года назад +1

      the farthest you can lifesteal is the reach of cait, tristana and senna, spell vamp there's like global ults traps that can be laid many times, Singed poison trail that can be left like 2 screens away, but that's just my take, a you say, they are a hypocrite as if the devs are making changes while the PR department who doesn't know anything about gaming, makes the reasons for the changes as noble as possible

    • @baval5
      @baval5 2 года назад

      @@MangaGamified Singed poison trail is not nearly that far, as an AOE it would only get 33% of spellvamp, and spellvamp was always weaker than lifesteal even when it existed. Auto attacks are also on like a 1.5 second cooldown at max while spells are on a 2 second cooldown at minimum. Very few AP champs could use spellvamp to leave a fight, hit a few minions or jungle camps, and then come back into the fight at full health and the ones that could were typically the ones who spellvamped anyway and were short range like Ahri and Vlad. Pretty much any AD champ can do that. Almost no AP champ could use spellvamp to survive duels and come out with more HP than when they went in unless they were already doing that, like Fiddle and Swain. Pretty much any AD champ can do that. The fact that a few champions like Xerath can spellvamp at long ranges, who werent building spellvamp anyway, does not justify its removal.
      Nor does their actual stated reason that spellvamp was making champs who naturally vamped hard to balance, because champs like Darius, Olaf, and Nasus still exist but so does lifesteal.

    • @MangaGamified
      @MangaGamified 2 года назад +1

      @@baval5 yeah, idk exactly either, maybe because lifesteal is easy to track cause it mostly only works on auto-attacks, omni vamp works on almost everything, as you can imagine spallvamp/omnivamp can just explode in healing unexpectedly.
      I dun try to think too much about it too much, I gave up trying to decipher how they think, it gave me the impression their balance team and their reasons are made by entirely different and far departments, the reasons are mainly by the PR team.

  • @ZekDrake
    @ZekDrake 2 года назад +29

    No AP QSS is the biggest crime imo for not existing, you can easily also throw AD hourglass into that conversation

    • @williamsmith6364
      @williamsmith6364 2 года назад

      Mikhails? Plus its better than qss.

    • @Juguitosdemora
      @Juguitosdemora 2 года назад

      @@williamsmith6364 its no longer beyter than qss and it doesn't give ap

    • @GameBreaker1055
      @GameBreaker1055 2 года назад

      @@williamsmith6364 It does not cleanse supression, does not give AP.

  • @guyonbench
    @guyonbench 2 года назад +5

    I do and will miss Static Shiv until the end of time.

  • @lukrumble3295
    @lukrumble3295 2 года назад +13

    Ohmwrecker literally needed just stat change. Its active was great purely for splitpushers, who had advantage in lane, but was giving stats of a tank, rather than bruiser/assasin which could actually make use of such item. Make it give ad instead of armor and boom, item fixed.

    • @danfurtado9158
      @danfurtado9158 2 года назад

      I used to build ohmwrecker on hard snowball trynd games. Wasn't necessary at all but it was funny to ensure that they had no hope

  • @Kiivenn
    @Kiivenn 2 года назад +48

    *Riot:* Sword of the occult is too powerful we should remove it instead of nerf the item.
    *Also riot:* Every new champion has stealth, hard cc, at least one movement ability and some kind of reset

    • @its_xen0nn
      @its_xen0nn Год назад

      were you thinking about pyke while writing this

  • @derek8228
    @derek8228 2 года назад +5

    i think the reason lethality users were the only ones with access to anti shield is because they’re the only class that doesn’t have a grievous wounds item made for them. chempunk chainsword is really meant for your ad bruisers like camille, riven, or rhaast. it’s not very good for characters like qiyana who want lethality. i want riot to give ad assassins a grievous wounds item that applies 60% grievous wounds for the first 3 seconds of combat. when you play an assassin in mid you can at least take ignite, but in the jungle you don’t get that privilege typically

    • @Keln02
      @Keln02 2 года назад +1

      Healing=slow regen
      Shield=burst of hp
      Assassin's aren't countered by healing as hard as by shields, because healing is capped at max hp

    • @derek8228
      @derek8228 2 года назад

      @@Keln02 yeah i understand that but when you first pick an assassin, especially in the jungle when you usually don’t get to run ignite, and the enemy team is full of champions like warwick, irelia, rhaast, aatrox, etc. it would be nice to be able to build a grievous wounds item that feels like it doesn’t screw over your entire build. sometimes your teammates just won’t build it for you, or you have to 1v1 someone

    • @Keln02
      @Keln02 2 года назад

      @@derek8228 an assassin, by design, isn't supposed to win against a juggernaut
      The jugg needs sustained damage, so mages or adc.

  • @myonwontstfu
    @myonwontstfu 2 года назад +4

    "Limited by their cooldowns" I fucking wish.
    In actuality, late-game cooldowns, ESPECIALLY ON ASSASSINS, are so low that basically anyone can do cleanup duty
    Characters whose job is single-target assassinations and escape should have no business repeating the thing 3+ times in a single fight. That just makes anyone a better diver assassin than actual divers FFS. Way too much safety in rito's favorite little class.

  • @biggiecheese2004
    @biggiecheese2004 2 года назад +13

    No hate but how are the items mostly balanced right now???
    Why would you go triforce over sunderer?
    Why would you go kraken over shieldbow?
    Why would you go mandate over moonstone or shurelyas?
    Why would you go banshees over zhonyas, even vs a heavy ap comp?
    There are items that are literally direct upgrades from others in the game right now

    • @Izigurand
      @Izigurand 2 года назад +1

      Mandate is great on a few champs, like Nami. It’s more niche but it has its purpose.

    • @brohham3078
      @brohham3078 2 года назад +3

      Triforce is better than sunderer against towers. So splitpushers can take it to put more pressure on the map rather than sunderer which takes longer to be a threat for champs not named "Camille"

    • @antonypistachio5476
      @antonypistachio5476 2 года назад +5

      @@brohham3078 Kraken > Shieldbow against tankier comps. Should be self explanatory.

    • @Gorecatto
      @Gorecatto 2 года назад +1

      Triforce is better against kiting , does more damage overall.
      Kraken does more damage to tanks , not bad against squishies tho , if you have enough AS
      Mandate ups the damage on everyone against that target basically. Great for champs that access to a Easy and acessible slow , like """sup""" Lux , Maokai , Nami , Karma etc
      Zhonyas and banshees are not interchangeable , both are Ap defensive items but are not the same. On one you want to defend yourself agains a burst or stall for your team to Act , example Zed , Diana , Talon etc. And the other you want to protect against a single but critical ability , Veigar Box , Zoe Sleep , Morde Ult , Blitz Q and etc

    • @brohham3078
      @brohham3078 2 года назад

      @@antonypistachio5476 I didn't talk about Kraken though lol

  • @KibaHikari
    @KibaHikari 2 года назад +16

    I like the idea and philosophy behind the Season 11 item rework. Yes, the items were old the game existed for 10 years by then, many new champions came out, it is nice to overhaul the system and bring it up to par, to make well designed items for each class, for each item to have a clear purpose, to fulfill certain requirements and needs that different gamestates put forward. I loved them uniforming grevious wounds, a problem in the past that felt like you have situations you could not solve because of "missing" answers. Even the idea of mythics, not only are they powerful, but their function of locking off only 1 purchase helps to keep certain builds uniformed for certain classes .
    However with overhauls like these where everything is made new from the ground up, there are always those unnecessary additions that designers are excited to try just because. Items that serve no purpose to the aforementioned balancing other than just to be overpowered or interesting. Like Collector. That item is an execute as an item. As of writing this comment, I believe there are about....4 or 5 champions with a true execute in the game; Pyke, Urgot, Draven, and Zigg's (on towers only.) There are other abilities that are finishers, not true executes, like Cho'Gath ult. So how come, let's say these 3 champions in all of League (excluding Ziggs because its towers only) have a very specific and powerful effect, is now given to an item that just anyone can buy?
    The idea of the item rework is great, but the execution (hehe) leading to an entire year's meta of shifting between the strongest "toy" of the month is frustrating to deal with as a player. Its a cycle of nerfs and changes and eventually we'll be right back to where we started where each item is a shell of its former self.

  • @Brutetank
    @Brutetank 2 года назад +11

    I still remember Madreds Bloodrazor being the Blade of the Ruined King back in the day, or how items were balanced differently in Dominion.

    • @Lightscryx
      @Lightscryx 2 года назад

      Man seeing bloodrazor mentioned brought back memories of teemos going malady wits end and bloodrazor.

    • @Brutetank
      @Brutetank 2 года назад

      @@Lightscryx I'd do that but on Warwick, to make his ult a 1shot on squishies. And even some tanks. Was more fun on Twisted Treelines when dragon was the "boss" monster on that map

    • @AMArchy
      @AMArchy 2 года назад

      omg bloodrazer on shaco with 4 attack speed items was so stupid. i remember numing full tank build mundos in like 2 seconds

  • @Vinicius-Bigode
    @Vinicius-Bigode 2 года назад +5

    Every week I have a game where I go "Imagine if I had Zz'Rot right now..." either winning or losing.
    I loved that item, it was so unique and it allowed so much creativity for macro play.

    • @Vinicius-Bigode
      @Vinicius-Bigode 2 года назад

      @@yegor576
      I don't remember a single patch where Zz'Rot was considered meta. It gave awful stats and the only ones building it consistently were Singed players.
      I mostly used on supports and wasn't even that good. Still loved it.

    • @Vetle1580
      @Vetle1580 2 года назад +1

      @@Vinicius-Bigode Both ZZ and Banner were meta in pro play for a while, which was part of why they were removed. Pressing a single button which forces an enemy champion to a lane, or risk losing a tower, was much more broken in proplay than in soloq. They were also honestly decent picks in soloq at times, before being nerfed, and going both ZZ + Banner was a fun/moderately effective cheese strat on some toplaners, where you could either hard punish enemy roams/enemy being botlane, or set the items to push while you roamed and forced an enemy to go top. The movespeed and defensive stats on ZZ made it hard/annoying for anyone to shut down that a cheese ZZ strat, especially on Singed of course, but it was also ran on things like Heimerdinger (who could go both banner and zzrot) and i used to go zzrot + deadmans as a cheese build on Nidalee top sometimes, where you don't fight but just outroam/run your enemies and use the timewindows you get to push towers. Super anti-engaging gameplay for the enemy, unfortunately.
      Both items were removed because if they were balanced in soloq they just became meta-defining in pro play where free sidelane pressure was op. Imo, it was fine to leave them balanced in pro play and weak in soloq, they were fun niche items that had situational use if done well, but i guess item clutter and "bait" items like that could be bad for new players.

    • @guifdcanalli
      @guifdcanalli 28 дней назад

      ​@@Vinicius-Bigodeit was never meta cause macro plays were never meta, but champs such as Yorick and Sion used a lot

  • @Brianlotito
    @Brianlotito 2 года назад +20

    Dude i miss frozen mallet so much, it was really useful and versatile, tho not essential at all, and that should not be a problem.
    I would prefer having a filler item that no one uses instead of the lack of options that I feel sometimes... it's removal was unnecessary for me.

    • @peridaplatypus
      @peridaplatypus 2 года назад

      Serylda grudge

    • @Brianlotito
      @Brianlotito 2 года назад

      @@peridaplatypus sometimes you need HP instead of armor pen, so why not both?

    • @1lik3Fir33mbl3m
      @1lik3Fir33mbl3m 2 года назад +4

      Gnar with that Item was aids (sorry to say that, but I really hate ranged champs and yordles in general), since I play Sion, Cho, Ornn, Malphite etc and everyone who picked that forsaken Yordle build it.

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 2 года назад +2

      Frozen mallet was the epitome of the underrated item

  • @JustAnotherGuy151
    @JustAnotherGuy151 2 года назад +2

    They said that 'neither side should have privileges withheld from the other'? Given the whole Shadowflame thing (which, as others here have said, doesn't even work all that well for its intended purposes) and the fact that Assassins seem to tend to get a lot of extra toys (Collector even though some Marksmen do make use of it, the new Axiom Arc...) I have to question that logic...

  • @murloc0518
    @murloc0518 2 года назад +42

    i miss zz'rot portal , it was my favorite portal and i ran it in literally every game no matter the character/build

    • @LordOberic1
      @LordOberic1 2 года назад +14

      It was also my favorite portal. None of the other portals come close in my book. Definitely the best portal.

    • @1lik3Fir33mbl3m
      @1lik3Fir33mbl3m 2 года назад

      definitely was a fun item to use, but I usually kept it on the cloak thing that boosted your MS

  • @kroth3049
    @kroth3049 2 года назад +13

    Big issue with the item rework is that AD champs have way more options to address a specific issue. U showed Guardian angel vs Zhonyas but forgot the several Lifeline AD items which also stall out. AP have morello's while AD have 2 options. AP have Void Staff but AD have Lord Dom's, Serylda's, Black Clever, a slew of flat AR pen, and % hp damage (true damage as well). Each time an AD champ picks an item that can pick one that both helps their build goal while hurting the enemy's build. AP champs are forced to decide between either helping their build goal or hurting the enemy's build. Either Riot has to remove several AD items or almost double the number of AP items.

    • @euqinemor
      @euqinemor 2 года назад +4

      Ad champions can go crit, go flat dmg, off tank, lethality and AS build. AP champions you build AP or Off tank AP and that's it.

    • @mist1714
      @mist1714 2 года назад +1

      By definition, they is quite a few people qualified as ad or ap, who worked with the oposite, if you had the game knowledge, ap gp, ap shy also came later, wasnt her original go to build, the very old akali prerework was viable ad, even ap carry jax had it time, ap xin was the must broken bs, before his nerf

    • @amilo5
      @amilo5 2 года назад +2

      Thats because riot is balancing around AD fighters/bruisers and AD assassins. Because it is so hard to balance champions that are tanky and do a lot of damage. Most of the absolute shitshow in this game is traced back to this problem. Tanks doing more damage the adc, goredrinker being build on every AD champ including assassins, adc had to get nerfed or they would all go off tank too etc. While AP champions dont have so many problems because they lack auto attacks and thus are easy to balance. Thats why they cant make AP items too unique or mages would be played in top lane. Riot is still scared to shit about repeating a tank meta thats why lethality exist and true damage isnt nerfed and healing is ramapnt so they had to insert massive antiheal. They should just delete the idea of damage and tankyness together and make it either or. (Hecarim nerf, Aatrox nerf all the same base problem)

    • @rogers4760
      @rogers4760 2 года назад +1

      I do agree about adding more ap items in the game, the item pool is too small for the number/type of champs. I don't like the interactions of ap champs either, an example would be Void staff as it makes mr a bad stat and it was taken out most ap mages would be useless. And they killed seraphs embrace.

    • @CuckRadioGermany
      @CuckRadioGermany 2 года назад +1

      @@amilo5 and still a new Tank meta would be the most healthy Thing the Game could get
      Edit*
      Let alone because people would finally be forced to learn Micro-Management und Map-play and evaluate wincons

  • @miotakamiya
    @miotakamiya 2 года назад +12

    I started playing LoL in S5 and since that moment nothing, at least to me, was so broken as the Death's Dance. When you saw Riven, Kayn and Yasuo especially buying it they would become unkillable. The only disadvantage of the item was the true dmg stored but the item itself compensated for that giving omnivamp! Even Katarina or Akali with it and the gunblade would be "almost" unkillable, but not as much as ad bruisers/skirmishers as Yasuo, Yone or Riven

    • @kamikazelemming1552
      @kamikazelemming1552 2 года назад

      For me, the most broken item is Duskblade. Now, if the enemy turned invisible because they landed a kill, that'd be one thing, but the fact the item activates whenever they get an assist, it makes it near impossible to fight Champions like Shaco and Master Yi, who are already a pain to deal with. And unlike items like Chemtank or Zhonya's, Duskblade's cooldown is nonexistent, so it can be easily abused despite how overpowered it is.

  • @Luxian2842
    @Luxian2842 2 года назад +2

    Hearing “Shield and Sword” instead of “Sword and Shield” was the most jarring thing I think I’ve ever heard him say.

  • @hmafussel94
    @hmafussel94 2 года назад +80

    "there was no champion removed from the game"
    meanwhile old aatrox: am i joke to you?

    • @fatrat600284
      @fatrat600284 2 года назад +2

      Yes.

    • @Crona_Gowther_Kanato
      @Crona_Gowther_Kanato 2 года назад +3

      Wait what? They didn’t “remove” Aatrox unless I missed a period where they actually took him out of the game like they did to GP, I thought they just reworked him? Like Voli & Morde they didn’t remove them they reworked them

    • @yuricecconi561
      @yuricecconi561 2 года назад +18

      @@Crona_Gowther_Kanato Well yes and no. They reworked Aatrox but left very very little of what made old Aatrox himself, essentially creating a new champion rather than upgrading an old one. Because of this, its common to hear that riot 'deleted' Aatrox.

    • @altide8784
      @altide8784 2 года назад +1

      @@yuricecconi561 Aatrox became so much stronger with him being reworked however, broken at times

    • @yuricecconi561
      @yuricecconi561 2 года назад +2

      @@altide8784 While that is true, I don't see how that's pertinent to the discussion of why people say old Aatrox was deleted.

  • @bielhelp
    @bielhelp 2 года назад +19

    Frozen Mallet and Atma's Impaller are two items that didn't needed to be removed, I loved doing both in renekton.

    • @MangaGamified
      @MangaGamified 2 года назад +1

      At it's peak, atmas gave like 50 armor, 18% crit chance and the favorite 2% of max health as attack damage.
      I think I build atmas + HP items a couple times, it was ok, it was so long ago and only did it a few times, so I cant remember. I think it's theoretically busted at higher elos since u can all in, then walk away, heal up from warmogs, repeat.
      Sometimes you're just not allowed to think your own builds and only play how the devs wants you to play, and they get paid while doing it.

  • @arforafro5523
    @arforafro5523 2 года назад +18

    Shoutouts to all the aura items that got removed for providing too much value: Stark's Fervor, Aegis of the Legion, old Frozen Heart, Shurelya's, and I'm probably forgetting a couple others.
    Also Feral Flare and all its different iterations, and GP5 items.

    • @LIAuNXeNON
      @LIAuNXeNON 2 года назад

      The aegis passive is still in game mi it's Just now picked Behind a mythic passive

  • @TheLightBringer365
    @TheLightBringer365 2 года назад +11

    there are some massive flaws in league item system. i have played every role and every class, and every season one of them is gutted into uselessness. they removed ROA, murdering anivia and kassa for a solid year, they removed a lot of items like brtualizer that made some champs bearable early.
    season 12 mage items also suck because they removed a lot of ap and most burst mages feel ass
    in season 12, they changed glacial augment, so it doesnt apply on aa's... they were thinking about those ice rays that cant be applied using twin shadows, but they didnt think about senna having 0 meta keystones now.. she somwhat works with grasp... but tank senna was nerfed, she kinda works with first strike, but early she doesnt have the range to use it properly, and she kinda works with PTA but no one uses it on her because it feels meh.
    same happened with GP, they nerfed his grasp page, but they forgot that he has no other runes he can use, other than DH that rly isnt optimal for his playstyle.
    some champs having 20 optimal items and 5 rune pages isnt healthy, when other champs have 4 optimal items and no optimal rune pages. GP is a burst bruiser, but he builds... adc assasin and tank items.

  • @micha8701
    @micha8701 2 года назад +12

    Magic pen item against shields don't even help fighting shields.
    Maw, sterak, shieldbow activate under 1k hp threshold, while stoneplate give way too much mr(with other items too) for pen to be worth using.
    Even then you get increased pen from 10 to 20, so only 10 at most. Any squishy target, specially below 18 lvl have under 2500hp.

  • @samthorne3765
    @samthorne3765 10 месяцев назад +5

    "Riot has never removed a champion from the game"
    The *real* Aatrox would like a word...

  • @Anti-zioni
    @Anti-zioni 2 года назад +8

    Honestly we need a video of how useful/useless the removed items will be in modern LoL

  • @ggpt9641
    @ggpt9641 2 года назад +4

    While not talked about much in this vid, Deathfire Grasp's purpose was to help mages burn a tank if they had to by amplifying damage to a target. What actually happened was squishies being deleted even faster.

  • @jonipoloni3409
    @jonipoloni3409 2 года назад +23

    Oh man I miss Spear of Shojin it was so much fun, playing urf in Ranked, same with Zz`Rot, just being spliting 24/7 with ur littel suicide voidspawns :D

    • @phoenixflamegames1
      @phoenixflamegames1 2 года назад +1

      Spear was so situational but holy shit the champs that could build it became so broken

    • @fitmotheyap
      @fitmotheyap 2 года назад

      @@phoenixflamegames1 jax..

  • @frozi3193
    @frozi3193 2 года назад +7

    "Collector is for marksmen and assassins". Can't wrap my head around the fact that Collector is still in the assassin section of the shop while LDR isn't. The passive is worthless and the 20% crit are 800 gold down the drain if you aren't playing a hybrid with attack speed steroid and auto-resets like Rengar.

    • @afox5319
      @afox5319 2 года назад

      The passive is useless? Tell that to my games where I went 4/1/15 as kha zix with a 7/0/17 yuumi support.
      This shit happens way to often to me so collector is my go to item for any ad assasin/adc

    • @frozi3193
      @frozi3193 2 года назад +2

      @@afox5319 even if the enemy adc reaches lv18 (2000 health), The Collector execute is still only a 100 health worth. If you get to already have a meaningful lead (which you should as an assassin) then there's no world in which a Yuumi can steal more than a single kill.

  • @blueqion9488
    @blueqion9488 2 года назад +13

    Ok, can we talk about the new anti shield item for mages, it is only used for champs that want the 10 basic magic pen it gives at all points and is not used to much as an anti shield item it just doesn't work even closly as good a the AD version it should cut shield like the AD Item or the AD should give lethality like this one give magic pen

  • @angelovinanti4595
    @angelovinanti4595 2 года назад +11

    I remember when Tank items actually felt good to buy and use in the game where the defensive stats did something then you added on RoA for a few like Ryze, Gragas, Kass where AP bruiser was a thing that didn't rely on Riftmaker

    • @lukewarmice8292
      @lukewarmice8292 2 года назад +1

      Yep now you have to worry about 3 fucking kraken slayers

    • @jackholt6860
      @jackholt6860 Год назад

      @@lukewarmice8292 and bork

  • @AllBeganwithBBS
    @AllBeganwithBBS 2 года назад +11

    Brutalizer did use to build into Youmuu's up until its removal, iirc. Good times.
    Though I don't miss ZZrot and banner (especially banner, that one was too strong) they offered different macro strategies that didn't necessarily include teamfighting to win. I liked the idea of it.

    • @walkelftexasranger
      @walkelftexasranger 2 года назад +1

      C'mon :( I had ton of fun with Trinity + Zz'rot Yorick bonking towers on few hits :(

    • @Sidiciousify
      @Sidiciousify 2 года назад

      Banner was garbage what r u talking about? They removed banner because it was useless.

    • @hillelbarer3974
      @hillelbarer3974 2 года назад

      @@Sidiciousify they removed banner because it was increadibly overpowered and broke pro play for like 3 weeks

    • @ManrielXiii
      @ManrielXiii 2 года назад

      Banner was ok and a fun usefull item for many supports. The problem arose when they buffed the cannon minion to godlike proportions and made mages weaker than it with baron buff. Then riot proceeded to remove the item instead of nerfing or reverting it...

    • @napevno
      @napevno Год назад

      I used to build Youmuu + Brutalizer on Pantheon for max flat pen :)

  • @joaopedrov9075
    @joaopedrov9075 2 года назад +2

    A lot of people didnt know but the old bork active and the slow from chemtank activate the glacial augment even stridebreaker activate it before the rework

    • @pedrohenrique-db3xd
      @pedrohenrique-db3xd 2 года назад +1

      I played quinn with old bork and glacial, it completely nullified a lot of champs like trynd, fiora, jax and darius.

  • @lukebortot7625
    @lukebortot7625 2 года назад +5

    "riot never removed a champion from the game", as a former Aatrox main, I would like to disagree with this statement.

  • @max-potato-muncher
    @max-potato-muncher 2 года назад +4

    Sanguine Blade being replaced by Hullbreaker was a huge slap to my face, since I was playing a lot of Quinn at the time. I honestly felt betrayed.

    • @lorscarbonferrite6964
      @lorscarbonferrite6964 2 года назад

      Yeah, it was such a fun item on early game marksmen. Not the most efficient of items, but gave a really nice distribution of stats, and granted much needed survivability against assassins, while also having a fair amount of counterplay to it.

    • @Bruh-el9js
      @Bruh-el9js 2 года назад

      mf you played Quinn top you deserve to be betrayed

  • @theimmortaleye7511
    @theimmortaleye7511 2 года назад +6

    ...i miss zzrot portal so much, it had so much fun ways to be used, one of the few items that creates smth and isnt just stats and statbuffers

  • @aeclipsia
    @aeclipsia 2 года назад +1

    I honestly feel like Shadowflame does not work as an antishield item. It gives magic pen then more magic pen vs shields. But unlike serpent's, it doesn't reduce the shield by itself. It's just helps you deal more damage after the shield is broken. It's like a massive magic pen stat stick with the passive slapped on it last minute to say "hey, look, antishield for ap champions"

    • @mohammeddhiaa6466
      @mohammeddhiaa6466 2 года назад

      It's like a horizen focus with a magic pen passive .

  • @sirgaz8699
    @sirgaz8699 2 года назад +18

    When I started playing LoL it was the Gp5 meta. Even though everyone tears up over Heart of Gold, I was a Nasus main and mana was limiting my infinite stacking but I didn't want to waste a slot on any mana items. Eleisa's Miracle you will be missed. A mana and HP regen item that built from a Gp5 (Philosopher's Stone) and after a few levels would disappear from your inventory while still providing its effects. AFK farming was never so relaxing.
    I wonder who would take this over a tear/mana mythic nowadays?

    • @jond2697
      @jond2697 2 года назад +1

      I miss rushing PS, Kage's, and runes.
      It was rough being a support back then and getting money!

    • @protestthebread1046
      @protestthebread1046 2 года назад

      gp/5 items were just too universally good. They would instantly be required in top lane and jungle for a lot of champs. Heart of gold/philosophers stone, and wasn't there a third one for awhile? Its been too long. Anyways, those 2 items, especially at the gold breakpoints that they were at, were just too efficient at guaranteeing your relevancy.

    • @jond2697
      @jond2697 2 года назад

      @@protestthebread1046 Two more: Kage's Lucky Pick and Avarice Blade.

  • @thefireofthefox1
    @thefireofthefox1 2 года назад +2

    This man did not just say that Shiv was a "Fringe purchase" that nobody bought. It was literally meta for every adc to build it first 2 seasons before it got removed, and even when it got removed there were a few adcs building it.

    • @Number9Robotic
      @Number9Robotic 2 года назад +1

      It really was, though, because once Runaans built crit (which it kinda had to since otherwise it itself was a fringe weapon), it supplanted Shiv as the AS/crit waveclear item for ADCs. Those who used Shiv the most were basically AD casters like Yasuo and Tryn but was otherwise just really redundant.

  • @The_Thirteenth
    @The_Thirteenth 2 года назад +7

    Back in Season 9 and 10, I used to main Swain toplane with ROA, even with the boom of Support Swain with Liandry's, I still played my tanky and bursty Swain, he was a literal battle mage
    After the items rework, I just can't play him anymore. Literally, I got a Mastery 7 champion with more than 200K points and I CAN'T PLAY HIM BECAUSE HE IS SO GODDAM SQUISHY

    • @TheAzorg
      @TheAzorg 2 года назад

      I build swain full tank / full support because I can't play squishy, immobile champions.
      Lack of DMG hurts tho ;/

  • @Josh-ub5ht
    @Josh-ub5ht 2 года назад +2

    Hextech gunblade was so much fun to build on Tristana and Teemo, i miss the days of all these different items. It's amazing to be able to watch vids like these and get a sense of nostalgia

  • @angiegamez8600
    @angiegamez8600 2 года назад +4

    What riot seems to forget is that not all champs fit into their neat little boxes of champion classes, nidalee is one of my favorite junglers but I haven’t even bothered playing her in s11

  • @MajinMattPlays
    @MajinMattPlays 2 года назад +2

    I think Season 11's Item Update was a universal good, but I'm talking about the Systems more than the Items themselves. They really dropped the ball with a lot of items just being either absent or really OP. Battle Mages that didn't have their own built in Health or Resistances just didn't get to play the game in Season 11, and now they at least have like, 2 or 3 options for items but still no really good mythic option.
    Edit: I also think that their removal of all Generalist items was a distinct blow to the system's quality. There is no harm in having items that don't do super special or interesting things, because not every champion wants something like RoA. Generalist Items benefit a small subset of champions to such a degree that well, Ryze was all but unplayable in Season 11 for a reason. The champions that need those stats rely on them almost entirely and removing the items that give all those stats doesn't imporve the game since not many champs built RoA outside of Ryze, Kassadin, and Anivia. There were a few but all removing that item did, was make those 3 champions lose their main options without giving them anything in return.

    • @1lik3Fir33mbl3m
      @1lik3Fir33mbl3m 2 года назад

      Cho'gath with RoA into Liandrys and then old Gargoylestoneplate, was a weird build and a bunch a people pinged it, but damn was it fun ulting people at almost full health XD

  • @raffyk7541
    @raffyk7541 2 года назад +3

    Mage and tank items still need so so much work. I really wish we could get some changes to Tforce and Stridebreaker as well.

  • @timh5910
    @timh5910 2 года назад +2

    "Riot never removed a Champion"
    Old Aatrox would like to have a word with you

  • @claudioespinoza06
    @claudioespinoza06 2 года назад +6

    As a mage main (Liss, Cassio and Ori), I think mage items are pretty dogshit compared to AD items.
    They have many options to build depending on the situation, and the access to insane amounts of lethality early game on assassins is absurd compared to flat magic pen, and also they can build more % armor pen, which helps them to burn tanks and squishies alike, making them way stronger than a mage, who is almost forced to follow a path of a few viable items.
    For example, I would love to see a qss ítem for mages, a black cleaver-like item for mages (especially for dps mages), a sterak ítem for mages, and so on.
    Chapter apart are fighter items, those are absurd.
    AD items are busted compared to AP, making that classes stronger than they should be.

    • @thegingenius
      @thegingenius 2 года назад

      If mages get qss, ad champs get zhonya's (GA doesn't count) . Seriously tho I vote to remove zhonya's and stopwatch from the game and give mages more defensive options

  • @LennyMLGDorito
    @LennyMLGDorito 2 года назад +1

    I know I'm 2 months late and it's not a big deal but I haven't seen any comments about this: Morellonimicon was not the only item that applied grievous wounds, Executioners Calling and the, back then Last Whisper Item, Mortal Reminder have existed for a long long time. If you were playing a bruiser champion with healing against another bruiser with healing it was really common to just build Executioners Calling early before Bramble vest existed.

  • @Gwen-qq8vd
    @Gwen-qq8vd 2 года назад +4

    I would really like to have RoA back, I played anivia and ryze a lot more when RoA was around and if I felt I needed more health on an ap champion I'd build it too. Also with the new iteration of seraph's embrace those champions feel even worse to me. I still need my tear item but now I have even less ap to work with and I only get around 22 ability haste while having archangel's and a mana mythic, it just feels bad. It's hilarious seeing people build muramana on ap champions cause trying that kind of thing just makes sense at this point cause you want the damage.

  • @AgentSapphire
    @AgentSapphire 2 года назад +6

    I miss both spellbinder and zephyr. They weren't very good but having increased movespeed could be insanely powerful on some champions. Like I used to build Zepher on Vi and i'd sometimes get a lot of shit for it until they saw that it worked REALLY well in helping her stick to people. It was also dumb on old Rek'sai

  • @aidenburgess217
    @aidenburgess217 2 года назад +5

    I know this is probably an unpopular opinion. Stat sticks are the BEST and MOST healthy items in the game. It is my belief that most items should be stat sticks, with their effects mostly dictating how you access those stats.
    Utility should come from a champions kit primarily, with secondary effects or late game effects everyone should have access too coming from items.

  • @SirLANsalot
    @SirLANsalot 2 года назад +2

    Atmas Impaler was the best item for tanks. Especially on Sion who's HP never ends in growing. This allowed him to scale like Nasus or Veigar, as the game got longer, the stronger he got. Removal of that item 'killed" him.

    • @Keln02
      @Keln02 2 года назад

      The name is Titanic...
      Miss the armour n crit though... But riot had pushed crit away from bruisers and tanks

  • @knicklichtjedi
    @knicklichtjedi 2 года назад +32

    I wish we still had ZZ'Rots and the Canon Minion Banner of Command. They would pair so well with the new Hullbreaker!

    • @poom323
      @poom323 2 года назад

      I used to scrim with some no name team long time ago (but they all Master-Challenger). I play Nunu against Zoey and win with those item 🤣. If they, exist nowadays, I think it will be midlane worst nightmare.

    • @dizzyheads
      @dizzyheads 2 года назад

      Banner of command was so fun to get

    • @thegingenius
      @thegingenius 2 года назад

      @@poom323 I used to do this same thing with both nunu and zac mid, just laugh as the enemy does negative damage to you while your army takes their turret. Emperor nunu is one of the builds I miss the most

    • @killuazoldyck6452
      @killuazoldyck6452 2 года назад

      @@dizzyheads as a person that has been playing since season 2 I have no recollection of buying that item lol. For a brief season it became meta all tanks and supports used to buy it but still I have never get my hands on that item not even once lol its funny when you think about it. Athma's impaler was removed a lot sooner than that but I remember buying that item every now and then

  • @davidecamozzo9398
    @davidecamozzo9398 2 года назад +1

    Even after this video, i'm still convinced that a lot of the items removed with the item overhaul could still be kept in the game and be healthy for the current situation, seeing the level of the items being added currently. Take frozen mallet and adaptive helm: the first was a stat stick, true, but it worked prefectly fine and wasn't unhealthy for the game, the second is, in my opinion, the stupidest removal of all the items, like, it wasn't used all that much, but it had a specific purpose, and when they add another burn on max hp, they take down the one item that, with some tweeks, could help tanks. Finally, after a year, we have force of nature, that with the new passive covers that problem, but keeping adaptive helm would have still been better in the first place

    • @Bigbadbo121
      @Bigbadbo121 2 года назад +1

      Force of nature doesn't replace the hole that adaptive helm left at all. Force of Nature only boosts mr for each unique ability, while helm boosted for each tic of dot damage and was actually useful, and if I remember correctly, helm even built from that blue-green cloak that boosts health regen upon taking damage, as opposes to sh*tty magic mantle. Ideally we would have both to deal with the swarm of double-burn champs we have to deal with, but FON did not fix anything with Helm's removal.

    • @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz
      @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz 2 года назад

      Riot took our zzrot portal and put fucking goredrinker in the game bro.

  • @KoroneKiris8378
    @KoroneKiris8378 2 года назад +4

    God, Raptor Cloak(it builds into Zzrot), why did riot take you from me, I miss you

  • @giladfadel5920
    @giladfadel5920 2 года назад +2

    1:15 "Riot never removed a champion from the game"
    *Cries in Aatrox*

  • @HopeArk
    @HopeArk 2 года назад +7

    I think the stridebreaker change was like an entire item change. It went to being a useful item for immobile brusiers to only useful for brusiers who have mobility but no lockdown/hard to land lockdown. I find it kind of dumb it went from a brusier version of galeforce/prowler/rocketbelt into what it is now. I find it kind of silly how some things, like you mentioned, rod of ages as a tankier option for mages was removed but steraks was left. How zhonyas, an active stasis for mages is still around, but nothing for ad (GA isnt rlly comparable as you need to die and its a 5 min cd). Similarly, stridebreaker could have been changed to stay as it was intended, a way for immobile brusiers not to be kited. I don't think it was that broken, it was just like how galeforce and prowler are now but for some reason it also slowed and did damage (where gale had an execute magic dmg, and prowler had dmg and a damage increase). Instead of removing the dash and increasing the dmg, I think the better alternative was to adjust the dash range, make the cd much higher, and either remove or decrease the slow/damage (one of those depending on what the new cd is). I think riot was just overall lazy when in came to balancing this item.

    • @1lik3Fir33mbl3m
      @1lik3Fir33mbl3m 2 года назад +1

      I miss RoA too, but I wouldn't compare it too Steraks, since RoA had no active that gave you a shield when you ate a lot of damage, it was just a lot of HP/Mana.

  • @SGTMasterBean
    @SGTMasterBean 2 года назад +1

    Full tank garen and mundo with atmas impaler was some of the most goofy and fun times ive had with this game

  • @onetwopikachu8122
    @onetwopikachu8122 2 года назад +4

    As a support main, the Glacial Augment, Twin Shadows and GLP build was one of my favorite and most obnoxious strat to play on Morgana, Veigar, Swain and Yuumi.

    • @drspin7023
      @drspin7023 2 года назад

      Actually Randuin’s also procs it

  • @azurius_
    @azurius_ 2 года назад +1

    I agree that the current item pool in total is way better than ever before, BUT I think there are currently too many lifesteal items:
    Shieldbow/Goretrinker/Eclipse, Botrk, Bloodthirster and Ravenous Hydra with only the mythics being exclusive with each other.
    It enables many stat-checker builds like Graves and Yone. A graves can easily heal 400+ HP per aa and still deal tons of damage, so if you cant burst him from 100 to 0 without him attacking you, you will lose the duel, many times even with your GW item because they just dont give as many stats as the life steal items.

  • @waleedkhalid7486
    @waleedkhalid7486 2 года назад +3

    I think removing items has been healthy for the game overall. I started in s2, I could handle learning all the items riot introduced. For a player starting in s10, imagine staring down a menu with 100+ items to choose from. Where would they even begin? Riot made a brave decision to not allow power creep in terms of items, though they failed spectacularly regarding feature creep on champions. Damn passives are an entire paragraph now…

    • @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz
      @AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz 2 года назад +2

      "Not allow power creep on items"
      Bro do you even mythic? That's literally what that is.

  • @Wildcat12
    @Wildcat12 2 года назад +1

    Hextech Gunblade got removed because they were play testing Riftmaker, realized how fucking boring it is to use, and wanted to make sure Gunblade didn’t completely overshadow it for being an actually entertaining item.
    God I hate Riftmaker.

    • @captaineflowchapka5535
      @captaineflowchapka5535 2 года назад

      they got rid of gunbalde , ccuz they wanted to change how it work and remove every mix item item .

  • @placeholdername2270
    @placeholdername2270 2 года назад +6

    I honestly, hate the entire new item system. Its an incredible turn off for me with how much standardised everything has become.

    • @poom323
      @poom323 2 года назад

      I used to think ss10 is the worst, but now ss11 is the worst. Next might be ss12 as well.

  • @eminkilicaslan8945
    @eminkilicaslan8945 Год назад +1

    As a former Nocturne main, whatever you say, removing Sanguine Blade was devastating for me.

  • @lolialf
    @lolialf 2 года назад +4

    i remmeber using Death Fire Grasp, way back then
    it was one of my go to, with that massive ap boost it provided
    not to mention, the extra dmg you dealt with its activation
    clunky for sure, but it was in my opinion of of the best ap items back then
    also, sword of the occult was something ive completely forgot

    • @Futuran123
      @Futuran123 2 года назад +1

      The satisfaction I got when I threw death fire grasp + point and click veigar Q + point and click veigar ultimate 🤠

    • @ntm4
      @ntm4 2 года назад

      I used to play AP Tristana back before her rework and DFG was great because you could get to the point where you could split your combo and blow up 2 targets instead of one.

    • @xydem
      @xydem 2 года назад

      @@mudswamp3334
      I
      know,
      right?

    • @jond2697
      @jond2697 2 года назад

      @@mudswamp3334 I'd rather have that than a wall of text.

  • @nebeskisrb7765
    @nebeskisrb7765 2 года назад +2

    "Riot never removed a champion" I'm sorry, but just because they kept the name doesn't mean they didn't remove Aatrox.

  • @emilienpayet8439
    @emilienpayet8439 2 года назад +5

    Vars : "Ability power is locked to just spells"
    Kayle : Weakness disgust me

  • @1tsFila
    @1tsFila 2 года назад +1

    Fun Fact: Edge Of Night was added to Wild Rift few days ago
    (Didnt find nobody using it)

  • @gwingcommander
    @gwingcommander 2 года назад +7

    I miss philosopher's stone. Don't ask me why, I was a support main way back in the day and I just really liked that item. Also I personally loved sightstones , although I get why they were removed.

  • @Magamonair
    @Magamonair 2 года назад +2

    I also regret the deletion of Frozen Mallet, though the Serylda's Grudge is a great option for assassins, some champs don't rely too much on spells and could use an option to stick to their target, especially with all the mobility that was added into the game with s11 changes.

  • @zoroark522
    @zoroark522 2 года назад +4

    Rod of ages was removed for being a stat stick because that's literally almost all it did. It was removed and replaced with Riftmaker with the bit of healing you got for spending mana being converted to omnivamp.
    Also your point about them removing items for clutter being a good thing being it simplifies the item shop, I very much disagree with this because it means you play the exact same items, the exact same runes, often against the exact same champions who also build the exact same items and runes. The game is so unbelievably stale now even with all the bull shit changes and cancer champions they release.
    The game needs a hard hit of the brakes and some much needed reverting of many things like elemental drakes, new champion design, and the item system.

    • @cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847
      @cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847 2 года назад

      I would disagree rod of ages was just a stat stick it was an iconic item if roa was removed for that they should remove archangels too

  • @luqdude
    @luqdude 2 года назад +1

    I kinda hate how they changed glacial augment. Senna loved that rune and it was literally one of the only runes that you could reliably go every game. Now she's in this weird state where no one knows what to build on her,