I find it funny how in adaptations since the 90s cartoon (which is pretty much just the template for Spidey stories nowadays, great show) they always do the reverse of what the symbiote initially was considering the original comics it was a peaceful entity with Peter’s shitty personality and attitude affected it as opposed to the other way around.
That's far more interesting than it just being evil alien goo that makes Peter evil. Peter's own flaws affecting this creature while it then feeds back into him really shows how its a parasitic relationship between them both. Also hoping for a Ricochet card however slim the chances!
No one ever talks about this, it's so conceptually poetic that you have someone who is given just the right amount of power to be a noble (yet tired and angry) hero, but when he gains more power with the symbiote, it amplifies those negative emotions. However, it doesnt do so directly through poison or magic or anything: it's Peter's internal reaction to having more power
I vaguely recall that the first time Peter ditched the symbiote, he had Reed Richards lock it in a lab, then it escaped, rebonded to him, then we get the iconic clock tower sequence. Here's the kicker: Peter was prepared to die to kill the symbiote. When he lost consciousness, the symbiote pulled him to safety before leaving and encountering Eddy Brock.
Marvel absolutely should NOT be doing Sentry. The fact that he's so powerful is like 80% of what makes him cool but he's also TOO powerful. He's so powerful that almost any conflict could easily be resolved by just him. So just like the comics he'll either be excluded from most events in some way, he'll be severly nerfed, or his stories will make about as much sense as Captain Marvel's, where he could end them with a thought but just doesn't for no reason. I'd love to see them do something with The Void but they'll "Age of Ultron" that shit and you'll hate it.
Knull has annoyed me for a particular reason: why does his design have a chest logo similar to Venom's? It's been established that the reason Spider-Man looked like that in the black suit is because he was thinking about Spider-Woman's design at the time, and that influenced how his costume looked. Hence, he had the same chest logo that she had. The eyes are also supposed to look like that because of Spider-Man. Venom keeps those bits because he sees Peter as the perfect host, and is obsessed with him. And yet, despite all that being well established, they really want to bring in those design elements for symbiotes that have never met Spider-Man, which I think cheapens an aspect of Venom which is important, diluting that aspect of his character and distancing us from the visual reminder that is right there. But then, I guess comic retcons have always been happening. Back in the day, Martha Kent sewed Superman's costume, and the chest logo just stood for "Superman", before eventually being retconned as the symbol for the House of El. It's a similar aspect, of taking something that was clearly meant to convey one particular thing and making it a more standard part of an alien character's people.
around Knulls story symbiotes have a swirly one eye face and I think the logo is a dragon kinda thing since he seems to be really into those, that gets warped into a spider
It's a trendy thing in psychology that you only back-rationalize your free thought, with some evidence behind it, so it makes perfect sense that symbiosis with a primitive alien mentality would backflow INTO you thinking about hot chicks for procreation purposes. It's also why you're so annoyed, your cortisol rises in response to the dissonance of your held beliefs. Idea of "canon" or "retcon" is this fandom neologism that's actually ruining the terms as such, it's a semi-religious instinct to double down when you're wrong, and seek the approval of mob rule. By actual definition "retroactive continuity" is exactly this sort of thing that reframes EXISTING evidence. If it outright CHANGES something in the past, like almost all use of the word is today, it wouldn't even match the definition. This is what a good retcon looks like: Ben Kenobi gaining character depth by revealing, in film, that he lied about Anakin having REALLY died. But, you tend to do this thing, you have Young Earth creationism. Or you have people saying that exclusive butt rupturing adn contrating HIV instead of children, is new a kind of "marriage" that by the way government needs to subsidize with HIV insurance. Fandoms have not so much increased media literacy but lowered it, partly because English has an issue with no nation having a Langauge Regulatory Body that should be the Talmud to your Constitution. Because you don't, everyone just defers to the recent polls by Oxford English Dictionary in the UK, like it's the decree by Pope, and any term in Constitution can change meaning by context. NEW kind of "canon", whatever a private uni says, He will make true in Heaven.
Loved the video. will have to dive into the recomendations! Can’t wait for Scarlet Spider. currently using symbiote ramping into Gwenpool, Nakia and Abs man to boost cards like mysterio, mr sinister and Seb Shaw for some insane last turn numbers
I really love the newest venom run with Bedlam and Meridus and it is SO wild what theyve done with making Eddie one of the like, 2 or 3 characters that is destined to survive the universal reset like Galactus did.
Also, I had to pause a time or two in order to make sure that that background slapping/tapping sound wasn’t me. Washing machine or ceiling fan perhaps?
Feel like they could have called this card “Symbiote Suit” instead of making it spider-man specifically. The way its abilities work make it clear the symbiote is the highlight here. Could have been a fun place to put venomized variants as card variants. Super fun card tho so far and great video!
I’d call them Ariel from the Shakespeare play The Tempest. I’d imagine a scene where the Symbiote would find a copy of The Tempest and flip through it for inspiration on finding a name. Ariel is the main character Prospero’s spirit helper. Ariel’s physical form is ambiguous, is mischievous and ubiquitous, able to change shapes at will. Ariel was Rescued by Prospero from a long imprisonment at the hands of the witch Sycorax. Which could be how Peter unintentionally freed the Symbiote when they first met.
So the S-tier is obviously Norman Osborne, Doc Ock, and (sigh) Venom, and the A-Tier goes to guys like Sandman, Rhino, etc. I’d say that Silver Sable can fit into B-Tier. She’s common enough that she would be known to Spider-Man fans, but not so well known that she’s likely to fight him in a movie.
I believe that in the Venom movie continuity he's only weak to a certain threshold of frequencies, so maybe he just got lucky that the rave didn't hit those frequencies
The fact that in the MCU right now we have all the ingredients for the classic origin of Symbiote Spiderman. Peter used a machine to rebuild a costume and Eddie left a small glob of venom in Mexico. Secret wars is coming up, and i can already see them doing that.
How is Venom? He's never been the same since he tried to bond with that weirdo in black'n'red. Hopefully Disney and Sony can work something out. I really want Venom to get a chance at revenge. One day maybe we'll see it. Venom Vs Deadpool on the big screen.
What just happened in my watching this: "And who is the second host?" *Breaks into an ad* "LIMU EMUU and Doug." I'd sign up for that "What If...?" issue.
My understanding is that he would work ok with Knull, if you have Limbo, because he can copy and use all card text. My first use for Sym Spidey was copying Nimrod in a destroy deck, and I had a 12 power Sym Spidey copied back and forth across the field. So if he absorbed Knull, he'd be like Knull with base power of 6. Not the best use, but it's not nothing.
17:00 Nah Deadpool seems to take it off because hes messing with *its* mind, hes protection the symbiotic from messing it up, tho a lot of damage is already done, and now it has Deadpool impulses
I don’t believe it’s ever been made canon, but I believe many fans. Call the venom Symbiot suit because I know Cletus Cassidy named his Symbiot red and I believe black widow just named hers something
@@Yoyo-si3hq calling the venom symbiote the "symbiote suit" cause other symbiotes have other names which basically leaves the basic name of just "suit" free
I think Hulkbuster is an alternative suit in the sense you mean with Symbiote Spider-Man? I always thought it was a bit weird that it was a card, though this has very similar design.
The difference is Hulkbuster is an object on its own, not specifically Tony in it. This is specifically “Symbiote Spider-Man” as opposed to “Symbiote Suit” or something.
@@NoxarBoi Yeah, I think in general it's a bit weird. That said, the card is very much designed to relate to Hulkbuster, being a "double Hulkbuster" that costs twice as much and has double the power, but takes twice as long to work.
its not gonna work well with gorr because its going to take a potential on reveal card and turn it into an activate card (no additional power for gorr)
I'm so glad Symbiote can't boost some scaling cards like Deadpool. Imagine having the power to make Deadpool a 7, and leave you more than enough energy to destroy it on the same turn. Bullet dodged.
You can do that but then after you destroy it the symbiote stays 4 costs. I’ve made 4/30 symbiote spiderman that I’ve been able to play with death if I destroyed enough stuff. Makes the deck a bit more constant in some ways and can dodge killmonger
I’ve been using it in destroy and it’s so fun merging it with Deadpool on 5 and then killing getting like a 4/20 to hopefully play with death. It’s better if Deadpool gets big on his own since he costs 1 but I think the symbiote adds some overall consistency on hands when you low roll
Ngl i kinda wish sam raimi liked venom as a character. Like imagine peters arc in spider-man 3 being that "oh im an asshole in general i need to change for the better" instead of goofy alien thing makes me early 2000s emo. I feel like they characterize everyone in those movies as dickish lol
The thing I dont understand every Spider man variant getting different card effects but All Ghost Rider variants counts as one.Johnny Blaze and Robbie Reyes not the same come on Marvel Snap!
no mate. venom isn't the name of the symbiote. venom is Eddie and the suit combined. instant dislike and mistake at the start of the video. L. I will continue to watch out of boredom.
This paves the way for a Bombastic Bag-Man card and thats exciting.
We can only hope this will come true
"On reveal: un-merges all cards here". Brcause they don`t have a suit.
I find it funny how in adaptations since the 90s cartoon (which is pretty much just the template for Spidey stories nowadays, great show) they always do the reverse of what the symbiote initially was considering the original comics it was a peaceful entity with Peter’s shitty personality and attitude affected it as opposed to the other way around.
That's far more interesting than it just being evil alien goo that makes Peter evil. Peter's own flaws affecting this creature while it then feeds back into him really shows how its a parasitic relationship between them both.
Also hoping for a Ricochet card however slim the chances!
@@ProjektTaku agree all the way!
No one ever talks about this, it's so conceptually poetic that you have someone who is given just the right amount of power to be a noble (yet tired and angry) hero, but when he gains more power with the symbiote, it amplifies those negative emotions. However, it doesnt do so directly through poison or magic or anything: it's Peter's internal reaction to having more power
I vaguely recall that the first time Peter ditched the symbiote, he had Reed Richards lock it in a lab, then it escaped, rebonded to him, then we get the iconic clock tower sequence. Here's the kicker: Peter was prepared to die to kill the symbiote. When he lost consciousness, the symbiote pulled him to safety before leaving and encountering Eddy Brock.
Yall think Nandopop says “æggs” instead of the obviousilly correct “êhggz”
DA MARVEL SNAP KING IS BACK BABY HE NEVA MISS WE'RE EATING GOOD TODAY Y'ALL
Read this is gambits voice
The Sentry reveal would be sick to see in the MCU, I'm immediately picturing the original group shot from Avengers 1 with Sentry included
From what I’ve read he’s supposed to be revealed in the Thunderbolts movie releasing like 2025 or 2026.
@@MacDaddySnuggles Thunderbolts comes out next summer, and he is in it. No guarantee he's going to have the same story as the comics though.
Marvel absolutely should NOT be doing Sentry. The fact that he's so powerful is like 80% of what makes him cool but he's also TOO powerful. He's so powerful that almost any conflict could easily be resolved by just him. So just like the comics he'll either be excluded from most events in some way, he'll be severly nerfed, or his stories will make about as much sense as Captain Marvel's, where he could end them with a thought but just doesn't for no reason. I'd love to see them do something with The Void but they'll "Age of Ultron" that shit and you'll hate it.
@@EnQuestOfficialespecially considering they probably rewrote him a bit when they lost the first actor
@@CBrown I'm gonna actually watch the movie before I decide that it sucks
Crap...Marvel just announced the "Brat War." I didn't think they'd do it...THANKS NANDO.
Knull has annoyed me for a particular reason: why does his design have a chest logo similar to Venom's? It's been established that the reason Spider-Man looked like that in the black suit is because he was thinking about Spider-Woman's design at the time, and that influenced how his costume looked. Hence, he had the same chest logo that she had. The eyes are also supposed to look like that because of Spider-Man. Venom keeps those bits because he sees Peter as the perfect host, and is obsessed with him. And yet, despite all that being well established, they really want to bring in those design elements for symbiotes that have never met Spider-Man, which I think cheapens an aspect of Venom which is important, diluting that aspect of his character and distancing us from the visual reminder that is right there.
But then, I guess comic retcons have always been happening. Back in the day, Martha Kent sewed Superman's costume, and the chest logo just stood for "Superman", before eventually being retconned as the symbol for the House of El. It's a similar aspect, of taking something that was clearly meant to convey one particular thing and making it a more standard part of an alien character's people.
around Knulls story symbiotes have a swirly one eye face and I think the logo is a dragon kinda thing since he seems to be really into those, that gets warped into a spider
Yeah thats bothering me too.Also I wish they make him more Eldritch-like.He looks so similar to Human.
It's a trendy thing in psychology that you only back-rationalize your free thought, with some evidence behind it, so it makes perfect sense that symbiosis with a primitive alien mentality would backflow INTO you thinking about hot chicks for procreation purposes.
It's also why you're so annoyed, your cortisol rises in response to the dissonance of your held beliefs.
Idea of "canon" or "retcon" is this fandom neologism that's actually ruining the terms as such, it's a semi-religious instinct to double down when you're wrong, and seek the approval of mob rule. By actual definition "retroactive continuity" is exactly this sort of thing that reframes EXISTING evidence. If it outright CHANGES something in the past, like almost all use of the word is today, it wouldn't even match the definition. This is what a good retcon looks like: Ben Kenobi gaining character depth by revealing, in film, that he lied about Anakin having REALLY died.
But, you tend to do this thing, you have Young Earth creationism. Or you have people saying that exclusive butt rupturing adn contrating HIV instead of children, is new a kind of "marriage" that by the way government needs to subsidize with HIV insurance.
Fandoms have not so much increased media literacy but lowered it, partly because English has an issue with no nation having a Langauge Regulatory Body that should be the Talmud to your Constitution. Because you don't, everyone just defers to the recent polls by Oxford English Dictionary in the UK, like it's the decree by Pope, and any term in Constitution can change meaning by context.
NEW kind of "canon", whatever a private uni says, He will make true in Heaven.
Love these videos even as a self identifying “big comic fan” you always bring up lots of fun details I had no clue about
Loved the video. will have to dive into the recomendations! Can’t wait for Scarlet Spider. currently using symbiote ramping into Gwenpool, Nakia and Abs man to boost cards like mysterio, mr sinister and Seb Shaw for some insane last turn numbers
I really love the newest venom run with Bedlam and Meridus and it is SO wild what theyve done with making Eddie one of the like, 2 or 3 characters that is destined to survive the universal reset like Galactus did.
I got to use the card for about an hour and I like it a lot.
Another great video, provides a ton of information I didn’t know about before. Thanks.
Also, I had to pause a time or two in order to make sure that that background slapping/tapping sound wasn’t me. Washing machine or ceiling fan perhaps?
Feel like they could have called this card “Symbiote Suit” instead of making it spider-man specifically. The way its abilities work make it clear the symbiote is the highlight here. Could have been a fun place to put venomized variants as card variants. Super fun card tho so far and great video!
I’d call them Ariel from the Shakespeare play The Tempest. I’d imagine a scene where the Symbiote would find a copy of The Tempest and flip through it for inspiration on finding a name. Ariel is the main character Prospero’s spirit helper. Ariel’s physical form is ambiguous, is mischievous and ubiquitous, able to change shapes at will. Ariel was Rescued by Prospero from a long imprisonment at the hands of the witch Sycorax. Which could be how Peter unintentionally freed the Symbiote when they first met.
Love your videos, always looking forward to them as new cards are released, keep it up!
Can't wait for the Silver Sable vid, she's my favorite B-C tier spidey antag
So the S-tier is obviously Norman Osborne, Doc Ock, and (sigh) Venom, and the A-Tier goes to guys like Sandman, Rhino, etc. I’d say that Silver Sable can fit into B-Tier. She’s common enough that she would be known to Spider-Man fans, but not so well known that she’s likely to fight him in a movie.
I believe that in the Venom movie continuity he's only weak to a certain threshold of frequencies, so maybe he just got lucky that the rave didn't hit those frequencies
The fact that in the MCU right now we have all the ingredients for the classic origin of Symbiote Spiderman.
Peter used a machine to rebuild a costume and Eddie left a small glob of venom in Mexico. Secret wars is coming up, and i can already see them doing that.
Just wanted to let you know that you're the reason I started playing Marvel Snap. It's a lot of fun!
Thanks for covering some older cards!
How is Venom?
He's never been the same since he tried to bond with that weirdo in black'n'red.
Hopefully Disney and Sony can work something out.
I really want Venom to get a chance at revenge.
One day maybe we'll see it.
Venom Vs Deadpool on the big screen.
What just happened in my watching this:
"And who is the second host?"
*Breaks into an ad*
"LIMU EMUU and Doug."
I'd sign up for that "What If...?" issue.
so hyped for Brat war
The issue is not so much loud sounds but rather more the sonic waves they may cause.
Big ups for Nerdsync/Scott plug!
Not a Move player, but can be REALLY strong. Like, get a simple move card like Jeff, move it, then combine it, then you can move it again.
I really hope we get a superior Spider-Man card one day
My understanding is that he would work ok with Knull, if you have Limbo, because he can copy and use all card text. My first use for Sym Spidey was copying Nimrod in a destroy deck, and I had a 12 power Sym Spidey copied back and forth across the field. So if he absorbed Knull, he'd be like Knull with base power of 6. Not the best use, but it's not nothing.
9:00 it is. It’s been confirmed couple of times
Another weakness for symbiotes is chocolate! They really like chocolate - red goblin series
Easy. Bully Maguire. 🕺
#IBlameAviArad
Can you do a deep dive on the Black Widow symbiote that was in the bundle?! I'm so curious!
you gotta show video of the snap decks youve made
0:00 Either this is a coincidence or you planned this video because of the new season of Marvel Snap! Either Way Great Video!
Nando, if they made Secret Wars today, it’s be Skibidi Sigma Rizz Wars. I apologize for using those words.
Hey, @Nando The "recommendations" in reading recommendations is spelled wrong
Did you say the Brat pack is back??? In war form?? (I got nothing else from the video,sorry)
2:26 ...OH 🦂🦂🦂
So basically, the Celestials grounded Knull
17:00 Nah Deadpool seems to take it off because hes messing with *its* mind, hes protection the symbiotic from messing it up, tho a lot of damage is already done, and now it has Deadpool impulses
Phi, it's a no brainer, Marvel.will make Peter War 😮
Nando just curious what you favourite deck to play is?
I don’t believe it’s ever been made canon, but I believe many fans. Call the venom Symbiot suit because I know Cletus Cassidy named his Symbiot red and I believe black widow just named hers something
What! Am I reading this wrong this makes no sense
@@Yoyo-si3hq calling the venom symbiote the "symbiote suit" cause other symbiotes have other names which basically leaves the basic name of just "suit" free
@@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 ohhh cheers
Great video except they should make brat war
I think Hulkbuster is an alternative suit in the sense you mean with Symbiote Spider-Man? I always thought it was a bit weird that it was a card, though this has very similar design.
The difference is Hulkbuster is an object on its own, not specifically Tony in it.
This is specifically “Symbiote Spider-Man” as opposed to “Symbiote Suit” or something.
@@NoxarBoi Yeah, I think in general it's a bit weird. That said, the card is very much designed to relate to Hulkbuster, being a "double Hulkbuster" that costs twice as much and has double the power, but takes twice as long to work.
RECCEED the recommendations 😂
My only question is what becomes of the symbiote variant does that just get converted to the new card?
its not gonna work well with gorr because its going to take a potential on reveal card and turn it into an activate card (no additional power for gorr)
You could use this card and fuse it with gorr so it gets double the power from each on reveal on the board but otherwise yeah you're right.
@@koifish835 I'm pretty sure it doesn't copy ongoing cards
So the symbiote has about the same continuity security as Doctor Who
Brat War, lfg!
So I feel like this means that Archangel could become a separate card from Angel 👀
I'm so glad Symbiote can't boost some scaling cards like Deadpool. Imagine having the power to make Deadpool a 7, and leave you more than enough energy to destroy it on the same turn. Bullet dodged.
You can do that but then after you destroy it the symbiote stays 4 costs. I’ve made 4/30 symbiote spiderman that I’ve been able to play with death if I destroyed enough stuff. Makes the deck a bit more constant in some ways and can dodge killmonger
@@peterkefalos7430
That has nothing to do with anything I said besides being about a destroy deck.
As a destroy player I'm eating rn stg
The best Venom adaptation is still the 90s Spider-Man animated series. Sad that everything else since has gotten it wrong
bit of a tangent here
but why does Deadpool's healed face look like a blond Peter?
I know it’s probably called venompool but man would it be funny if it’s name was denim
"i cannot find a better name for this in the native language of these aliens"
is that not because Venom IS his name in his native language?
The card Can be good with Deadpool!
I’ve been using it in destroy and it’s so fun merging it with Deadpool on 5 and then killing getting like a 4/20 to hopefully play with death. It’s better if Deadpool gets big on his own since he costs 1 but I think the symbiote adds some overall consistency on hands when you low roll
Is Marvel Snap more fun than Yu-Gi-Oh?
@@peterkefalos7430 4/20, eh..... :D
@@RickReasonnzhehe
its latest host is Spider-Man
Venom, who as we all know is one of Marvel's greatest and most complex characterds.
I know the Deadpool retcon is meant to be a goof, but there’s so many stupid symbiote retcons I just can’t take another
The whole secret secret wars is a huge joke retcon, metacommentary on retcons imo it's hilarious
i'm so confused by the fact that this card is a thing
Ngl i kinda wish sam raimi liked venom as a character. Like imagine peters arc in spider-man 3 being that "oh im an asshole in general i need to change for the better" instead of goofy alien thing makes me early 2000s emo. I feel like they characterize everyone in those movies as dickish lol
The thing I dont understand every Spider man variant getting different card effects but All Ghost Rider variants counts as one.Johnny Blaze and Robbie Reyes not the same come on Marvel Snap!
"the symbiote" has never been a character unto itself. The suit doesnt go out and so good or bad without a host, and certainly not as spiderman.
no mate. venom isn't the name of the symbiote. venom is Eddie and the suit combined. instant dislike and mistake at the start of the video. L.
I will continue to watch out of boredom.
genuinely why are other people venom too then? (dylan brock, mac gargan, and flash thompson)
For those of us on nebula, I just watched the madam web video 🥱