I appreciate that they didn't redeem Agatha or make her a misunderstood figure. She is 100% the monster everyone spent the entire series saying she was, but she has nuance and layers that make her interesting, especially with the bond she formed with Billy.
I appreciated that they did not redeem her, but I am super duper mad that they didn't do anything to punish her for her crimes either and made her get away with it because the character is so charismatic.
@@zenithquasar9623 She's a ghost with limited options. Either she goes to the afterlife now and burns for her crimes, or she serves time as Billy's magic tutor, maybe she earns a tiny bit of redemption, or she keeps being same old Agatha until Ghost Rider shows up.
Jac’s finale interview just dropped. Some things of note: - Rio cutting her way out of the stage backdrop to get out of the road was to show that Billy’s powers are still developing. He isn’t powerful enough yet to alter reality in a massive scale so his brain resorted to painted backgrounds to make the road look bigger. - the reason the final trial was just a plain room and they’re all in plain tunics is because at that point Billy was as sick of the road as Agatha and Jen were so his subconscious didn’t bother making anything more complicated (hence, no movie theme, no costumes, no wigs) - Rio is way more into Agatha than Agatha was into Rio. Jac doesn’t say it outright but it would explain why a witch (no matter how powerful) could last in a fight with a s-tier cosmic being for more than a few minutes. Rio was just humoring her.
Rio's the obsessed girlfriend, she's just playing with Agatha, flirting with her during the fight. But was caught off guard bec she thought in the end Agatha would be selfish but she sacrifices herself.
On the first point, I took it as death being such a cosmic being she can just pass thru any dimension she wants which makes sense since she has to be there when someone dies. And on the last point, when Agatha told rio that she didn’t want to see her when she died, you could see rio die a little (pun unintended) on the inside and was hurt by her words
I took the last trial to be Rio's and that's why it's in a plain, depressing morgue. By that time, Billy knew she was Mistress Death. And it's also Agatha's basement lol, very fitting. The grow lights are because it's the Green Witch trial. But for sure it could also be the case that Billy's subconscious was tired of making elaborate sets for the trials.
This show solidified Jac Schaefer as one of the MCU’s best storytellers imo. Between this show and WandaVision, I love how protagonist-driven these narratives are. *Nothing* happens in these stories that isn’t the direct result of the lead character’s flaws and psychology. I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
I rewatched this series, and the twist that Billy made the road was hinted at during the first trial if you paid attention. Billy has a conversation with Jen about Agatha's son and how she trade him with the Darkhold when, in reality, it wasn't true. When Agatha experienced her hallucination, it was a Darkhold in a baby crib, presumably because Billy thought that was the truth. such a good writing.
Good point. Though interesting that for the others it also showed them something real. I guess Billy knew about Lorna Wu, but I don't think he would know about the death of Lillia's Coven or the circumstances around Jen being bound.
That’s actually a really good insight. I’m not sure if it’s confirmed how he was conceived, but I thought Agatha made herself pregnant using the dark hold. Maybe that’s why she reacted the way she did, because I don’t see a reason to why she’d react that way to a lie. That could tie in Nicholas to having Mephisto as his father??? I dunno, I know nothing about the marvel universe. Please correct me if I’m like 100% off.
I liked that they didn't cheapen the ending by having everyone come back to life or as if it was all a dream. It would be so easy to force a happy ending for everyone
@@Andrew-ww1hz I feel like there might be at least one revival of one of the three deaths on the road in the future of the MCU but its better in the future than in the series itself
I really love the different types of deaths here so I'm glad they kept it, especially since it's the show where they finally introduce Death. There's one where it's an accident, some where it's a sacrifice or some heroic end, ones where they weren't ready yet, and ones that they've done all they can and is at peace to meet the end. It's really poignant in a way, that not everyone experiences death the same and I think it's intentional why some characters feel like they should have had a Lilia a moment. But I think the show is subtly saying that death not only comes for us all, but we meet her differently at different paces.
apparently they discussed having a post-credit scene to that effect but decided it would be disrespectful... I'm torn, because I really want to see more of these characters, especially Alice, but I respect the creators for sticking to their guns and not going the usual Marvel route where death is meaningless.
It feels really dumb whenever a person complains about Marvel doing a series about an unpopular character because the MCU was build off of Ironman, which wasn't that popular at the time.
They usually complain about the "woke" characters being added to the franchise, veiled as "valid criticism". Deadpool and Wolverine were fine being gay for each other for the jokes, but actual queer people being gay for each other is where they draw the line.
The actual wild part is that people complain that the “heroes” fight for the underdog and are actually sometimes invested parts of those communities. I would love for the people that are “fan’s” of X-Men, Iron Man or Captain America to actually read their comics over a few years worth of arc’s. I think it would be funny for them to realize that the X-men are minorities, Iron Man is a uninhibited capitalist and Captain America lives in the hood and is basically a social worker.🤷🏾♂️
everyone always says that about iron man, but I was a huge fan of the cartoon in the 90's! I watched it alongside x-men and spiderman and they all seemed on-par to me at the time, s it suprises me that iron man wasn't thought about in the same way.
Marvel did an amazing job of having us rewatch the entire series now that we know the ending. Agatha being such a great con artist knowing the road was fake was so perfect.
@ I also think it’s worth mentioning she says she’s the only one to survive it. Seeing that her and Nicholas created it and he died she technically isn’t lying.
Even some parts of WandaVision have new meaning in hindsight, like when the twins ask Wanda to bring Sparky back to life, and for a moment Agatha drops character to breathlessly ask _"You can do that?"_
I’m glad episode 8 and 9 aired together, waiting a whole week for 9 may have felt anticlimactic considering it’s mostly flashback and epilogue. They work much better as a two part finale than a week to week episode (considering the rest of the show worked exceptionally well for a week to week release)
This is the tiniest thing to praise in a show that deserves loads of it but I love how when Agatha comes back as a ghost she looks like she does in the comics. I love stuff like that.
My lesson from this show is that if a major franchise announces a weird spin off based on a side character that no one was really asking for, and that seems hard to market, its probably great. Agatha, Andor, and the Penguin all fit this pattern. Before they came out no one really understood how they got greenlit over more obviously popular options. But all of them turned out pretty great, since they were clearly based on a creator's passion to tell a specific story.
This. After Andor, I will never shit on just an idea. Andor and Agatha are probably my two favourite D+ shows. Mando used to be there too, but BOBF and Mando s3 really ruined it for me 🫤
The thing is that the weird stuff is what they're actually allowed to experiment and be creative with. The big name stuff is too regimented and has to much control from higher ups.
I'm old enough to remember when shows were built around stars, not concepts. No one "asked" for anything. Networks offered shows, and they won or lost. Every now and again you'd get a spin off...but shows were shows. Now, with the MCU you have a huge catalog of characters that you can do almost anything with. Crime stories, sitcoms, procedurals, workplace comedies, pretty much anything you see on "regular" tv can be mimicked in the super hero genre. As a long-term (40 years) comic reader I'm game for whatever they want to try. Some stuff will work, some won't...and that's OK.
I think one of the biggest positives of this show is that it didn't rely on some big cameo in the final episode. Also no big CGI filled battle to end it off. It was contained to this story. And yeah, it has implications for the larger MCU, and it relies on previous installments, but it stands alone without you having to know too much.
Something what I really like, is that the road wasn't fake. Sure, he made the road, but he did so properly. The legends say it's incredible dangerous, but if you make it to the end you get what you want. And that is exactly what happens.
Yes! Wanda’s hex was cool but his was another level and has incredible magic. Like the trials that actually tested them. The road also gave them what they want. How powerful did he make it? 😮
My immediate fear after the reveal was 'oh no I hope not a bunch of people are taking this to mean that none of the things that happened were real' but they do a good job of nipping that in the bud.
@@JamesCPotter13 I actually wandered if, now that he made it, is continius to be real for others that try to acces, or if is gone forever. It would be a cool thing if he is so powerfull that he actually made the road real for ever. but is also cool that Jen is now "the only survivor"
You know what I love? That Agatha didn't provoke all these whiches into attacking her until after the song. Like yeah, she's going to kill them, but let's sing a song first!
After Agatha I think more then anything I want Jac Schafer to handle the Young Avengers, seeing what she did with Billy and Agatha's Coven I think she would do fantastic at making a Young Avengers series or movie.
I loved watching episodes 8 and 9 and realizing what Billy's "tell" was. In episode like 6 or something Billy asks Agatha how she knew who he was (and who his mother was), and she says "you have the same tell". They both created an entire world based on what they wanted!! Wanda's was bigger because she was the Scarlet Witch but transforming a basement to a test where people can die is nothing to sneeze at. And I LOVE that Rio sees right through it too. She comes off as weird when they meet her and looking back she was SO excited about this weird spell and the characters in it too.
Omg they told us Billy cast the spell for the witch's road in the outro credit visuals!! There was a circle with a star in it on a wooden floor in the visuals, which fades into that symbol inside a hexagon over the town of Westview. Billy casts his spell and creates a wooden hexagonal door, but he doesn't actually draw the circle with the pentagram on it until the end of episode 9. Still, the witches sang to cast a spell and the octagonal wooden door appeared. Even though we didn't know Billy cast it we knew that it was a spell, so we could infer by the visuals that it was connected to Wanda's from her season. If we thought about Wanda's spell trapping the people of Westview, we could think about the road doing the same to the witches that entered. Once we saw the end of episode 5 (when we remembered Wanda had kids 😂), we could infer Billy had something to do with it from there. His blue magic glowing through the door in episode 2 should've been a big clue for me (as that's the color of Billy's magic), but I just thought it was pretty🤣. I also thought it was cool that the stuff from his room looked similar to the road (I recognized the leaves, the painting on the wall, the music poster, and the OZ references), but I didn't make the connection that he MADE the road until he saw it (episode 8). Dang it's just so cool to think back to what I was theorizing about before I saw the last 4 episodes. I love a series that rewards you going back and watching it again😊
maybe u already noticed this too, but she also breaks her "Agnes" persona (quirky neighbor) when Billy and Tommy ask Wanda to resurrect their dog, bcuz that would mean she could resurrect Nicky too. she's more serious at that moment than at any other time before the finale. jac shaeffer planned this out sooooo well
thank you for being open and open minded about it! (i'm not saying "haahaa u were wrong/get rekt hater" btw) if more people do it like you have i'm sure it will lead to a healthier and less toxic/divided fanbase
Honestly my head cannon is that Billy only closed the door inside Agatha's house but not the whole concept of Witches Road itself. Wiccan is not only a reality warping being but also someone who can change the rule of magic itself. So maybe now other witches can truly summon the Road by singing the ballad themselves. I know it sounds dumb but it's just what I want to believe 😅
On one hand, he probably would want to make the legend real. But on the other hand, he blames himself for Sharon, Alice, Lillia's deaths so he may have closed it entirely so nobody else would die on it.
@@captaincomet9963Wiccan really struggles to undo what he has done, that’s the one thing that doesn’t really work with his power set in the comics at least. Kid Loki described his powers as rippling backward and forward in time, rewriting the laws of magic and reality, though this is at its most powerful state, when he’s the Demiurge.
Jac Schaeffer has such a strong vision its amazing! Everything was so well planned and thoughtfully crafted. The fact that parts of her backstory were teased back in wandavision shows that she had a plan for agatha from the start and thats so impressive!
Not necessarily? A good writer can reference back to things and flesh them out, which can make them seem that they were made intentionally for the future. Think of it like using past literary events as a writing prompt for new material.
This show got better every episode and stuck the landing like few Marvel shows. The introduction of Billy was fantastic considering how convoluted it is in the comics and Joe was so good he almost stole the show.
This show was low key amazing. Like after Deadpool & Wolverine, I think everyone was just like that's it until Capt America 4 and Agatha was just an after thought. But this is actually one of the best things since Endgame
Youre goddamn right. Its crazy how Disney allow Agatha to go crazy and not holding her back while Sony still desperately made all of the "villains" to be a misunderstood hero in their movies. Yuck!!!
@@KingsNJenssonsYou are rain on a parade personified. ‘Oh no they are saying something positive, let me interject with something broad and negative to put them in their place’
WandaVision also had the "burden" of being the first (or one of the first) TV series on D+ at the time and it still did an amazing job imo. We wouldn't have Agatha All Along without WandaVision and I'm so glad we got both.
I love the detail that Billy left Westview the way that Wanda did, he put the hood on and drove away with a car. Imagine the people of the town seeing this and having flashbacks from Wandavision timeline.
0:30 Ms. Marvel had great characters but also a rather pronounced case of the usual poor plot structure of Disney+ shows. Moon Knight does a bit less so, thus I'd put that one closest to Loki and WandaVision/AAA.
Nando definitely underrated Moon Knight. They did an effective job with the psychological and dramatic elements in particular. Creative choices to work around limitations on how violent the content could be on D+. Not sure if a second season could live up to the first given how important the mystery aspect was but a strong cast opens the door to that if they want to return.
I was so happy that the "final battle" was flashes on Billy's face. It was cathartic. I didn't like it with Wandavision but that's my favorite series in tv history. I could have seen Death being a bit more gentle with the dead when she talked to Alice. I was waiting for some special effects when she cut out of the road but I laughed when I saw the painted backdrop really was just a painted backdrop.
I think the one thing this show proves to me is that "wokeness" was not and is not the problem. A show doesn't fail because it has gay characters or an overly strong female lead. A show fails because of bad writing. This show has good writing it has a good story, as simple as that. While shows like She Hulk and Secret invison failed because of their horrible writing. Most people don't care if a show or movie has a gay character. We don't care about what some people consider to be "woke." we just like good stories, that's all.
I been saying this for a while, companies love to go woke and then pair with a lack of effort, allowing bigots to act like the issue is wokeness and not the lack of effort
Lol the last episodes really does change some of the episodes feel. Like the one where Agatha wanted to get out of the water trial but there was no door knob. The moment she entered there... She's knows. I mean I know she wasn't "sure-sure", but her expression screams "I've been here from your mom's sitcoms, Billy. Get me out!" Honestly, Agatha really has a habit of entering people's hexes without thinking of a way back out.
@@cogitatorcat2306 I watched both series through a couple of times before the final 2 EPs came out 😅 guess I'll have to watch it again now all the EPs are out lol
To one of your first points, yes! My sisters loved WandaVision and they tuned into Agatha- the only other MCU project they watched was MoM because of Wanda. They just want to follow this story
As a gay dude... I was very satisfied at how it was represented. Not "shove in your face"... but it IS there, and you do know it... but it's not the most important part of anything. And that felt right
And we got our first lesbian kiss (I don't know if there's been another) and it was so beautiful and tragic, loved how they portrayed the whole scene. It wasn't like here you go two girls kissing, that scene actually had a purpose.
@@Whatusername-17 yeah exactly! It was a perfect kiss imo. Important for our culture... but also important to the overall story. Not only did we get 1 same sex kiss... we got 2! And that is huge
I really value how you handle the "I told you so" factor. You don't want to lord it over the people who are Wrong and Stupid, you're happy that they get to experience a great show despite how sure they were that it would flop. They get to choose: stick to their guns and look foolish, or be open minded and find something unexpectedly great.
Agatha All Along was incredible, I am very excited to see where Billy goes from here and I think we need more of these slower paced character driven stories. I don't care as much for the big fight scenes as I have in the past and I am glad for episode 9 but there are still so many things that need to be addressed with Billy's character that I think we need to dedicate a series to him finding Tommy and telling the Caplin family that he is not William and explaining that to them, because right now it feels like Agatha is leading him to abandon them and I think there needs to be some closure there. I am sad its over but I really hope going forward Marvel see's the success of this and decides to give new crazy ideas a chance
This is my favorite show from Marvel now. Second is Agents of Shield, which I watch constantly, too. Now I've added Agatha All Along to the list of play throughs. I've been watching it every night to go to sleep to. It's just so good and comforting!
It would be cool to get random Aubrey plaza cameos whenever a character dies or is about today it would build the suspense for certain movies and shows
As a father who has a young son, I found myself crying a lot and connected with Agatha's character in the loss of her son. The last episode had me breaking down during and after the film. The idea that was a song the two of them created and it has lasted the centuries was truly touching even though Agatha uses it to lure in victims. It makes you question the degree you would go to simply get more time with your child. I think the show has a little bit for just about everybody and for that it was better in my eyes than Wandavision.
About what you mention at the end about letting creators make their projects. I've been of the mind "all along" that their TV shows need to be made like comic book runs. There's a specific artist drawing the images, a particular writer and so on. This approach to the TV shows can give us what the books always have. Interconnected stories that stand up on their own and have their own identity. Identity in terms of an overall look and tone especially. And these shows should be for individual characters. They can give us so much backstory and depth of character in the episodic worlds. This way when the team up projects hits theaters we don't need a bunch of exposition to care about the new characters. We already love them from the shows. And I firmly believe the only movies should be team up movies. I think all individual projects should be shows and Special Presentations. Lower budgets and longer arcs. This is also gives choosey fans the option to pick their ones to focus on and just watch those shows if they want. This is also where the hardcore fans gets flavor changes so you don't get fatigue of everything just looking and feeling like the general Marvel look and feel that started to get old for us all after Endgame. To me this is just the obvious way we should get these stories. They can go with much lower budgets and much longer stories all at the same time. Giving us some real investment every time these characters team up to save the world.
believe it or not most of television does it like that, with showrunners and consistent exec producers and writers/directors. it's just that the "marvel method" has cut corners and streamlined things too much resulting in a very segregated and disconnected universe. just some of the pros and cons of having so many angles to work with on so many projects all at once with such a huge pipeline
I think the young avengers team up should be a tv show. Ms Marvel, Wiccan, Speed, Skrulls (Hulkling), Patriot, Kate Bishop and Kang (Ironlad) have all been introduced in Tv shows. The only ones that weren’t were Cassie Lang and America Chavez, who were in lack lustre movies anyways. I also feel like it would be easier to market that way. People might watch a young avengers tv show or a champions mini series, but the title would be too cheesy for modern audiences.
You said exactly what I was thinking about Billy’s costume. I love the sparkly/star costume so much and I appreciated seeing a little sparkle in the current costume, but there’s definitely room for that upgrade in the future. As a massive young avengers fan I am so happy with how Billy was adapted. He’s my second favorite after Kate so even though they’ve kind of botched some of the others (mostly America, and Cassie could be better) I feel so lucky to have had two of my favorites so faithfully adapted.
They actually did incorporate the star motif in Billie's Wiccan costume. His cape also has the same pattern as Vision's cape. They also used the runes they created for Wandavision. It doesn’t show up well on screen, but they've released a few video's sbout the costumes in the last few days giving closer looks at the details.
Crazy how the better known and most loved characters usually have shows that are a let down. But weird side characters like Agatha and Andor get fantastic series.
My personal theory is that if they're making a show about Agatha Harkness or Cassian Andor or whatever, it must be because they actually have a story they want to tell, because shows about characters like that don't really get made if they're just trying to bank on the most popular names. If they make a show about an established and popular character, it's much more likely that the execs just told them to, and they don't really know what to do with it.
@@tommarsdon5644 and also the inverse, the more popular a character is, the more they tend to just rely on that hype being the main selling factor, and then quality becomes the secondary motivation
I wrote this show off SO hard, but told myself I'd give it a chance and binge it at the end. So glad I did! It was a really well made show with heart, character, great set/costume design, and a very good cast!
As a bisexual guy who was worried about how Billie would be portrayed. They did it pretty perfectly. When I saw his room I like jumped up and started pointing out all the shared interests me and Billy had. By the end of the show, I don’t think there’s a Super hero I find more relatable. And that comes from a lifelong Spider-Man fan.
Me before show: omg i can't believe they made an Agatha show 4 years after Wandavision Me after watching first few episodes: OMG chat are we back?? Me after episode 7: this may be the best thing Marvel has done ever Me after the finale: dear Kevin Feige, Please let Jac Schaeffer do whatever she wants forever. Love, Emma
@@pepperidgefarm1003same problem with Arcane and its conflicting relationship with the actual lore from Runeterra (League's universe). So iirc they're working on reconning it to match Arcane's narrative.
Nando’s biggest issue with the series was resolved… why there was a subway under jersey. Because the witches road wasn’t real! …. Or maybe it was because it seemed like they kind of were underground
Except New Jersey has a great subway and train network haha. Especially in the tri state area, so that wasn’t really too far fetched. Look up a NJ transit map 🙂
I definitely feel like they could still make the Witch's Road a real thing in the future if they wanted. Intention and ritual are important in magic and we have had probably hundreds of witches who truly believe in the road doing a ritual over and over again for hundreds of years. If magic is making your will into reality i feel like thats a cool way to do it.
I have definitely rewatched each episode 3 times already. It’s gonna be a great addition to the yearly Halloween watches. And actually, I will probably watch throughout the year, it’s so good!
Agatha All Along was an amazing story. My favorite episode was 9, The Tale of Nicolas Scratch (I call it). Tommy and Billy were some of the best additions to WandaVision but the introduction of Nicolas Scratch changed the game. For that short time he was introduced, I forgot the other eight episodes, and it became all about him. The Agatha's love for her unborn child broke your heart from the door and the young actor playing Nicolas stole your heart instantly. It became his episode the second he opened his mouth and started singing. His innocence just crushed you. The moment he made the silly little song up about the windy road, God! It fills your poor heart with such tender emotions and when Death came for him? The way he kissed his mom goodbye, as if he really understood the sacrifice he had made by not tricking that Witch's Coven who wanted to take them in. He kissed his Mom goodbye and left with Death. It almost crushed me. Those moments won me over. Hands down, 9 was my favorite episode. Nicholas Scratch was everything...
Upon rewatching, I realized that Alice should have been freed from the road the moment she found out the truth about her mom and her family curse got banished.
@@yasspanda2559 Technically she didn't believe there was a curse. i think her wish was to find her true purpose in life. And that was protecting someone!
All I’m saying is that when Tony died, he 100% flirted with Death. Also, side note: how many afterlives do we have in the MCU now? Soul world, Death, Egyptian, Wakandan, Valhalla. And with the introduction of Mephistopheles and Magik, this will only get bigger. I really hope they explain this at some stage.
If Wanda comes back Jac Schaefer absolutely needs to do it. It's just getting more painful how Raimi/Feige handled her the more this universe gets fleshed out
The theme of this show is profound: how we deal with trauma and how not dealing with it passes it along. Billy acknowledges the harm he has done in response to his trauma. He honors those who he (inadvertently) took down. Unlike Wanda and Agatha, he tries to atone and to not lose hope and get caught in guilt and pain. Agatha is the only one who insists on passing on her trauma. Deep message.
With Billy's costume they actually did have the stars on the outfit just it was on his legs so harder to see but really cool they did include it. Marvel just released a "Agatha All Along | Costumes Behind the Scenes", where you can see it better!
It would be so cool if Westview just got like infused with so much magic and became so well known that later a bunch of magical people moved there and had their own little community
Oh, that's a fun idea. Foreshadowing purely by seeing her face; the subtle dread and tension that could immediately introduce into a story when the audience notices her would be a great tool to play around with. She'd be like the visual counterpart to hearing a banshee wail.
K. Hahn is one of my favorite actresses now from her role as Agatha in both shows/seasons. It's safe to say, you saw her play nearly every emotion and style of acting (welll sorta) from this dynamic performance. Side note- her hands are SO classic witchy* I was glued to them in every episode. Very cool touch.❤
What I liked is this was actually the origin story of Wiccan through Agatha's 'eyes', while telling her own story. There was alot to unpack, there was alot of hints to what will be coming, what 'could' be coming, there was alot of nods to real witchcraft and easter eggs, it was obviously really well written, it ended better than it started, and it started really good. The 'gimmes' were the introduction of another cosmic character, Eternity's 'sister', Lady Death, and a 'mention' of Mephisto, which hints to so many other things that can come down the line, Speed, even though we saw and didn't see him at the same time, lol, and then there was Jen. Jen's intro has finally convinced me the Midnight Sons is going to be a thing eventually. They have a few members already part of the MCU. There are alot of members in Midnight Sons in the comics, but if they start out with 'The Nine' like the comics, they are almost there. It looks like the Avengers is going to be a huge thing with Dark Avengers, Young Avengers, possibly a West Coast Avengers, with She-Hulk, War Machine, and Wonder Man now coming, and now the possibility of Midnight Sons. If they do, hopefully there will be a Lilith. This show is something else. I honestly didn't see it being this good. The MCU really needs to continue this formula in all the departments, Television, Animation and Studios. Character development and good storytelling is what made so many Marvel Comics characters so well loved.
it really seems like they let jac take the best parts of WV and crank them up to 11. there are veryyyy few qualms i have with this show (like how WV finale was too Capital M Marvel), the only thing i wished they would’ve fleshed out more is rio and agatha’s relationship ship. from jac schaeffer’s interviews it seems like she wanted to not hold back and make rio nicky’s dad and explore that family dynamic but was shot down by marvel
This was the very best tv show ever to have the marvel name attached to it. MCU or otherwise. The only truly spotless show, start to finish. Just absolutely peak, phenomenal television.
They don't even need Aubrey plaza back. I think it would be interesting to just see Death looming in the background like the watcher during a big event like secret wars.
This show proves Jac Schaffer knows what she’s doing 100%. Give her whatever she wants please. Maybe we can finally get that Scarlet Witch solo Movie🙏🏻
I love that Agatha at no point is truthful or says what she's thinking. Only when she's pushed to the absolute limit will she say one somewhat truthful thing and even then it's only a half truth
I was one of those people that was like "Why are they making this?" I wasn't a hater, but any means. I'm a gay man and this was just right haha. I liked the Hahn SO much in Wandavision, but didn't need a whole show around her. I was gonna watch it anyway, but then the trailer came out and I was like "oh shit". And goddammit if this isn't now my favorite MCU show lol
I think I like this better than WandaVision, but barely. What I love about this was it was a great mystery. They told us what this show would be in episode one, and we didn't believe them. But this was aboslutely a mystery. And it was such a well written one. Like put this up there with Knives Out. Each revelation, each twist, was so well done. Each are perfectly timed, and none of them feels like it comes out of left field. And I love that it can tell you what is going on, and then still pull the rug out from under you, in the same way Knives Out does.
I don’t trust Marvel enough to assume this was intentional, but I love that the title “Agatha All Along” ties in with the Witch’s Road, cause it was Agatha All Along
I appreciate that they didn't redeem Agatha or make her a misunderstood figure.
She is 100% the monster everyone spent the entire series saying she was, but she has nuance and layers that make her interesting, especially with the bond she formed with Billy.
even worse... tbh. It was beautiful that they played with that though. Making you think she is just maybe misunderstood till the end.
I appreciated that they did not redeem her, but I am super duper mad that they didn't do anything to punish her for her crimes either and made her get away with it because the character is so charismatic.
@@zenithquasar9623 Well, she died, so I'd say she got her comeuppance.
@@zenithquasar9623 She's a ghost with limited options. Either she goes to the afterlife now and burns for her crimes, or she serves time as Billy's magic tutor, maybe she earns a tiny bit of redemption, or she keeps being same old Agatha until Ghost Rider shows up.
Kathryn Hahn’s charisma balances it out perfectly. We can’t help but smile watching her even though she’s a serial killer
Jac’s finale interview just dropped. Some things of note:
- Rio cutting her way out of the stage backdrop to get out of the road was to show that Billy’s powers are still developing. He isn’t powerful enough yet to alter reality in a massive scale so his brain resorted to painted backgrounds to make the road look bigger.
- the reason the final trial was just a plain room and they’re all in plain tunics is because at that point Billy was as sick of the road as Agatha and Jen were so his subconscious didn’t bother making anything more complicated (hence, no movie theme, no costumes, no wigs)
- Rio is way more into Agatha than Agatha was into Rio. Jac doesn’t say it outright but it would explain why a witch (no matter how powerful) could last in a fight with a s-tier cosmic being for more than a few minutes. Rio was just humoring her.
Basically Rio's weakness was that she was down bad 😂
Rio's the obsessed girlfriend, she's just playing with Agatha, flirting with her during the fight. But was caught off guard bec she thought in the end Agatha would be selfish but she sacrifices herself.
On the first point, I took it as death being such a cosmic being she can just pass thru any dimension she wants which makes sense since she has to be there when someone dies.
And on the last point, when Agatha told rio that she didn’t want to see her when she died, you could see rio die a little (pun unintended) on the inside and was hurt by her words
I took the last trial to be Rio's and that's why it's in a plain, depressing morgue. By that time, Billy knew she was Mistress Death. And it's also Agatha's basement lol, very fitting. The grow lights are because it's the Green Witch trial. But for sure it could also be the case that Billy's subconscious was tired of making elaborate sets for the trials.
Death is a powerhouse herself. I don't think everyone could break out of Billy's imagination hex
This show solidified Jac Schaefer as one of the MCU’s best storytellers imo. Between this show and WandaVision, I love how protagonist-driven these narratives are. *Nothing* happens in these stories that isn’t the direct result of the lead character’s flaws and psychology.
I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
Hey I know you
I completely agree, and it really makes me wonder what Schaefer's original script for the Black Widow solo film would have looked like.
Give Jac Schaeffer the keys to the mystical side of the marvel kingdom. She’s more than proven herself, at this point.
It makes me so much sadder that she's not coming back for Vision Quest.
Her and Benson and Morehead from Loki season 2 and upcoming DD episodes. They get it. Id love for Feige to give them 3 the keys to whatever they want.
"Sometimes boys die" - if i wasnt sold on Kathryn Hahn before (and i very much was), that would have sold me. An incredible performance.
Literally one of the best lines in the MCU, imo.
I was rewatching the show I completely forgot about that line somehow and it fucking killed me dead
A really strong middle chapter in The Bohner Trilogy. So excited for the Vision series now.
ralph is the REAL nexus being tbh
@jackandcognac truly the center of the Bohnerverse
IT’S BEEN RALPH BOHNER ALL ALONG! And he actually killed sparky too!
Strong pitch.
The Bohner Identity
I rewatched this series, and the twist that Billy made the road was hinted at during the first trial if you paid attention. Billy has a conversation with Jen about Agatha's son and how she trade him with the Darkhold when, in reality, it wasn't true. When Agatha experienced her hallucination, it was a Darkhold in a baby crib, presumably because Billy thought that was the truth.
such a good writing.
Good point. Though interesting that for the others it also showed them something real. I guess Billy knew about Lorna Wu, but I don't think he would know about the death of Lillia's Coven or the circumstances around Jen being bound.
@@SirStrangefolkmaybe it’s because billy is subconsciously reading their minds, but can’t read Agatha’s because she has him blocked out
@@SirStrangefolktbf he does have psychic abilities. He probably subconsciously focused on Agatha more than he did for the rest of the coven
That’s actually a really good insight. I’m not sure if it’s confirmed how he was conceived, but I thought Agatha made herself pregnant using the dark hold. Maybe that’s why she reacted the way she did, because I don’t see a reason to why she’d react that way to a lie. That could tie in Nicholas to having Mephisto as his father??? I dunno, I know nothing about the marvel universe. Please correct me if I’m like 100% off.
@@Airitzu Nick wasn't made through magic, Agatha herself said "I spoke no incantation, no ritual. You were made from scratch"
I liked that they didn't cheapen the ending by having everyone come back to life or as if it was all a dream. It would be so easy to force a happy ending for everyone
I’m still bummed about Mr Shart and Alice
@@Andrew-ww1hz I feel like there might be at least one revival of one of the three deaths on the road in the future of the MCU but its better in the future than in the series itself
I really love the different types of deaths here so I'm glad they kept it, especially since it's the show where they finally introduce Death. There's one where it's an accident, some where it's a sacrifice or some heroic end, ones where they weren't ready yet, and ones that they've done all they can and is at peace to meet the end. It's really poignant in a way, that not everyone experiences death the same and I think it's intentional why some characters feel like they should have had a Lilia a moment. But I think the show is subtly saying that death not only comes for us all, but we meet her differently at different paces.
@@Andrew-ww1hz Mr Shart was a great character
apparently they discussed having a post-credit scene to that effect but decided it would be disrespectful... I'm torn, because I really want to see more of these characters, especially Alice, but I respect the creators for sticking to their guns and not going the usual Marvel route where death is meaningless.
It feels really dumb whenever a person complains about Marvel doing a series about an unpopular character because the MCU was build off of Ironman, which wasn't that popular at the time.
They usually complain about the "woke" characters being added to the franchise, veiled as "valid criticism". Deadpool and Wolverine were fine being gay for each other for the jokes, but actual queer people being gay for each other is where they draw the line.
The actual wild part is that people complain that the “heroes” fight for the underdog and are actually sometimes invested parts of those communities.
I would love for the people that are “fan’s” of X-Men, Iron Man or Captain America to actually read their comics over a few years worth of arc’s.
I think it would be funny for them to realize that the X-men are minorities, Iron Man is a uninhibited capitalist and Captain America lives in the hood and is basically a social worker.🤷🏾♂️
everyone always says that about iron man, but I was a huge fan of the cartoon in the 90's! I watched it alongside x-men and spiderman and they all seemed on-par to me at the time, s it suprises me that iron man wasn't thought about in the same way.
@@kennethsmith6367💯 exactly
@@yasspanda2559Deadpool is canonically bi even thought he has only been in heterosexual relationships
Marvel did an amazing job of having us rewatch the entire series now that we know the ending. Agatha being such a great con artist knowing the road was fake was so perfect.
She was being truthful all the time about the road. The first time Billy asked Agatha about the Witches Road she told him that it doesn’t exist. 😂
@ I also think it’s worth mentioning she says she’s the only one to survive it. Seeing that her and Nicholas created it and he died she technically isn’t lying.
I’m rewatching now and omg the looks that she gives Billy make SO much sense now in episode 2 and 3 when he make comments about the road
It also makes it so much more clear how she knew that he was Billy without being told, since she knows how powerful the Maximoffs really were
Even some parts of WandaVision have new meaning in hindsight, like when the twins ask Wanda to bring Sparky back to life, and for a moment Agatha drops character to breathlessly ask _"You can do that?"_
I’m glad episode 8 and 9 aired together, waiting a whole week for 9 may have felt anticlimactic considering it’s mostly flashback and epilogue. They work much better as a two part finale than a week to week episode (considering the rest of the show worked exceptionally well for a week to week release)
Very true
Agree. This is the first show I've seen that ended one episode early.
same for episode 1 and 2. The schedule release for this series was really well thought out. They nailed mostly everything
episode 9 felt like the clips they show you post-credits, except we got a whole episode of it
@@TZNchibify It was close to episode 6 bc it was mostly backstory and the end had more of the story.
This is the tiniest thing to praise in a show that deserves loads of it but I love how when Agatha comes back as a ghost she looks like she does in the comics. I love stuff like that.
I cheered when she looked like her comic book version. And the actress nailed the white hair lol
My lesson from this show is that if a major franchise announces a weird spin off based on a side character that no one was really asking for, and that seems hard to market, its probably great. Agatha, Andor, and the Penguin all fit this pattern. Before they came out no one really understood how they got greenlit over more obviously popular options. But all of them turned out pretty great, since they were clearly based on a creator's passion to tell a specific story.
This. After Andor, I will never shit on just an idea. Andor and Agatha are probably my two favourite D+ shows. Mando used to be there too, but BOBF and Mando s3 really ruined it for me 🫤
The thing is that the weird stuff is what they're actually allowed to experiment and be creative with. The big name stuff is too regimented and has to much control from higher ups.
But then there's also Echo...
Peacemaker!
I'm old enough to remember when shows were built around stars, not concepts. No one "asked" for anything. Networks offered shows, and they won or lost. Every now and again you'd get a spin off...but shows were shows. Now, with the MCU you have a huge catalog of characters that you can do almost anything with. Crime stories, sitcoms, procedurals, workplace comedies, pretty much anything you see on "regular" tv can be mimicked in the super hero genre. As a long-term (40 years) comic reader I'm game for whatever they want to try. Some stuff will work, some won't...and that's OK.
I think one of the biggest positives of this show is that it didn't rely on some big cameo in the final episode. Also no big CGI filled battle to end it off. It was contained to this story. And yeah, it has implications for the larger MCU, and it relies on previous installments, but it stands alone without you having to know too much.
One of the reasons is that AAA had the cheapest MCU budget to date! Lol
@@PassiveAgressive319 it forced them to be creative. I love it
well maybe for you but lady death is a huge thing for comic nerds
@KingsNJenssons She's there in episode one, though. And shows up throughout the series. It's not just thrown in at the end to make it exciting.
@@johans3164 it did!🫡🤣
Something what I really like, is that the road wasn't fake. Sure, he made the road, but he did so properly. The legends say it's incredible dangerous, but if you make it to the end you get what you want. And that is exactly what happens.
Yes! Wanda’s hex was cool but his was another level and has incredible magic. Like the trials that actually tested them. The road also gave them what they want. How powerful did he make it? 😮
My immediate fear after the reveal was 'oh no I hope not a bunch of people are taking this to mean that none of the things that happened were real' but they do a good job of nipping that in the bud.
@VinniePaul91 they learned from the first time when they tried to say Billy and Tommy weren't real
And to Jen, the Road IS REAL.
She never learns Billy made it.
@@JamesCPotter13 I actually wandered if, now that he made it, is continius to be real for others that try to acces, or if is gone forever. It would be a cool thing if he is so powerfull that he actually made the road real for ever. but is also cool that Jen is now "the only survivor"
You know what I love? That Agatha didn't provoke all these whiches into attacking her until after the song. Like yeah, she's going to kill them, but let's sing a song first!
Sharon Davis seemed to have fun singing it.
@@davechan8613 wHO?
Who?
Foreman's Mom 😂 adorable.
@@davechan8613 my favourite part of the show
After Agatha I think more then anything I want Jac Schafer to handle the Young Avengers, seeing what she did with Billy and Agatha's Coven I think she would do fantastic at making a Young Avengers series or movie.
Agreed
Definitely. Jac knows what she's doing with an ensemble.
@@ChrisKay-h1j *she
@@ChrisKay-h1j*she
@@ChrisKay-h1j jac is a she.. try again
I loved watching episodes 8 and 9 and realizing what Billy's "tell" was.
In episode like 6 or something Billy asks Agatha how she knew who he was (and who his mother was), and she says "you have the same tell". They both created an entire world based on what they wanted!! Wanda's was bigger because she was the Scarlet Witch but transforming a basement to a test where people can die is nothing to sneeze at.
And I LOVE that Rio sees right through it too. She comes off as weird when they meet her and looking back she was SO excited about this weird spell and the characters in it too.
Omg they told us Billy cast the spell for the witch's road in the outro credit visuals!!
There was a circle with a star in it on a wooden floor in the visuals, which fades into that symbol inside a hexagon over the town of Westview. Billy casts his spell and creates a wooden hexagonal door, but he doesn't actually draw the circle with the pentagram on it until the end of episode 9.
Still, the witches sang to cast a spell and the octagonal wooden door appeared. Even though we didn't know Billy cast it we knew that it was a spell, so we could infer by the visuals that it was connected to Wanda's from her season. If we thought about Wanda's spell trapping the people of Westview, we could think about the road doing the same to the witches that entered. Once we saw the end of episode 5 (when we remembered Wanda had kids 😂), we could infer Billy had something to do with it from there. His blue magic glowing through the door in episode 2 should've been a big clue for me (as that's the color of Billy's magic), but I just thought it was pretty🤣.
I also thought it was cool that the stuff from his room looked similar to the road (I recognized the leaves, the painting on the wall, the music poster, and the OZ references), but I didn't make the connection that he MADE the road until he saw it (episode 8).
Dang it's just so cool to think back to what I was theorizing about before I saw the last 4 episodes. I love a series that rewards you going back and watching it again😊
Agatha being the ultimate conman was just perfect.
Just realized that in WandaVision, Agatha gets angry that Wanda bounded her children's existence to the hex. Makes sense since she lost her child.
maybe u already noticed this too, but she also breaks her "Agnes" persona (quirky neighbor) when Billy and Tommy ask Wanda to resurrect their dog, bcuz that would mean she could resurrect Nicky too. she's more serious at that moment than at any other time before the finale. jac shaeffer planned this out sooooo well
@@TheJtPveven with multiverse of midness, the writing is solid
Fitting that a show about witches would leave breadcrumbs throughout the season
I am one of those people eating their words and damn am I eating good
thank you for being open and open minded about it!
(i'm not saying "haahaa u were wrong/get rekt hater" btw)
if more people do it like you have i'm sure it will lead to a healthier and less toxic/divided fanbase
Lucky. Last time I ate my words for a marvel project was Echo. Not my finest hour.
Honestly my head cannon is that Billy only closed the door inside Agatha's house but not the whole concept of Witches Road itself. Wiccan is not only a reality warping being but also someone who can change the rule of magic itself. So maybe now other witches can truly summon the Road by singing the ballad themselves. I know it sounds dumb but it's just what I want to believe 😅
On one hand, he probably would want to make the legend real. But on the other hand, he blames himself for Sharon, Alice, Lillia's deaths so he may have closed it entirely so nobody else would die on it.
@@captaincomet9963Wiccan really struggles to undo what he has done, that’s the one thing that doesn’t really work with his power set in the comics at least. Kid Loki described his powers as rippling backward and forward in time, rewriting the laws of magic and reality, though this is at its most powerful state, when he’s the Demiurge.
Amazing headcanon
this is my headcanon too! i just want the road to remain real after this. the door he closed was the door of the road with their specific trials.
I want this to be true too now . The road is now real and can be summoned by other witches
i love that they kept Agatha as a villain, she didn't learn the power of love or power of friendship
She seems like she knows about the power of love, she just doesn't care for it
She might’ve gotten some love from Alice as she sucked her corpse dry of her power-
The show really earned its title by the end. It really was Agatha All Along
Jac Schaeffer has such a strong vision its amazing! Everything was so well planned and thoughtfully crafted. The fact that parts of her backstory were teased back in wandavision shows that she had a plan for agatha from the start and thats so impressive!
Not necessarily? A good writer can reference back to things and flesh them out, which can make them seem that they were made intentionally for the future. Think of it like using past literary events as a writing prompt for new material.
I think this was definitely the best written Marvel show. Btw Rios skull face isnt CGI it was actually makeup which is amazing lol.
21:22 Crone, it's literally in the name of the episode. We see Agatha as she transitions from maiden to mother, and then from mother to crone.
The more you think about the show the better it gets
This show got better every episode and stuck the landing like few Marvel shows. The introduction of Billy was fantastic considering how convoluted it is in the comics and Joe was so good he almost stole the show.
I'm living for Marvel entering their "I dunno let's just make weird shit" era
This show was low key amazing. Like after Deadpool & Wolverine, I think everyone was just like that's it until Capt America 4 and Agatha was just an after thought. But this is actually one of the best things since Endgame
I think Cap 4 will flop bad
This is how you make something about a villain, SONY.
Youre goddamn right. Its crazy how Disney allow Agatha to go crazy and not holding her back while Sony still desperately made all of the "villains" to be a misunderstood hero in their movies. Yuck!!!
you say that like marvel is good at doing villains often
@@KingsNJenssonsYou are rain on a parade personified. ‘Oh no they are saying something positive, let me interject with something broad and negative to put them in their place’
C'mon, give Patti that emmy nod.
Lilia was definitely my favorite the whole time.
WandaVision also had the "burden" of being the first (or one of the first) TV series on D+ at the time and it still did an amazing job imo. We wouldn't have Agatha All Along without WandaVision and I'm so glad we got both.
I love the detail that Billy left Westview the way that Wanda did, he put the hood on and drove away with a car. Imagine the people of the town seeing this and having flashbacks from Wandavision timeline.
I loved Agatha! The story felt very complete, it handled multiple arcs and characters so well and the costume design was amazing.
0:30 Ms. Marvel had great characters but also a rather pronounced case of the usual poor plot structure of Disney+ shows. Moon Knight does a bit less so, thus I'd put that one closest to Loki and WandaVision/AAA.
Nando definitely underrated Moon Knight. They did an effective job with the psychological and dramatic elements in particular. Creative choices to work around limitations on how violent the content could be on D+. Not sure if a second season could live up to the first given how important the mystery aspect was but a strong cast opens the door to that if they want to return.
Moonknight and Ms. marvel did a horrible job of sticking the landing, they started off great and ended in a whimper.
Totally off topic, but I can’t believe we’re getting more Trevor Slattery before we get more Shang-Chi.
I was so happy that the "final battle" was flashes on Billy's face. It was cathartic. I didn't like it with Wandavision but that's my favorite series in tv history. I could have seen Death being a bit more gentle with the dead when she talked to Alice. I was waiting for some special effects when she cut out of the road but I laughed when I saw the painted backdrop really was just a painted backdrop.
I think the one thing this show proves to me is that "wokeness" was not and is not the problem. A show doesn't fail because it has gay characters or an overly strong female lead. A show fails because of bad writing. This show has good writing it has a good story, as simple as that. While shows like She Hulk and Secret invison failed because of their horrible writing. Most people don't care if a show or movie has a gay character. We don't care about what some people consider to be "woke." we just like good stories, that's all.
So true
Some people will still complain. Yet the real majority will like the tone and writing inside this show.
Who told you She Hulk failed? It was fresh, unique and people liked it. Well, except "those" people.
"most people" being westerners, which makes sense. It's a different story in another part of the world.
I been saying this for a while, companies love to go woke and then pair with a lack of effort, allowing bigots to act like the issue is wokeness and not the lack of effort
THANK YOU!
Lol the last episodes really does change some of the episodes feel. Like the one where Agatha wanted to get out of the water trial but there was no door knob. The moment she entered there... She's knows. I mean I know she wasn't "sure-sure", but her expression screams "I've been here from your mom's sitcoms, Billy. Get me out!" Honestly, Agatha really has a habit of entering people's hexes without thinking of a way back out.
The only mcu thing my girlfriend has seen is Agatha All Along and she loved it the entire way through. That just doubles down how great this show was
she needs to go watch wandavision now!!
@@theadventuresofzoomandbettieand then Agatha All Along Again. The two together are stronger.
@@cogitatorcat2306 I watched both series through a couple of times before the final 2 EPs came out 😅 guess I'll have to watch it again now all the EPs are out lol
To one of your first points, yes! My sisters loved WandaVision and they tuned into Agatha- the only other MCU project they watched was MoM because of Wanda. They just want to follow this story
A spin-off show about a side character from the comics had no business being this good. I absolutely loved every episode.
As a gay dude... I was very satisfied at how it was represented. Not "shove in your face"... but it IS there, and you do know it... but it's not the most important part of anything. And that felt right
And we got our first lesbian kiss (I don't know if there's been another) and it was so beautiful and tragic, loved how they portrayed the whole scene. It wasn't like here you go two girls kissing, that scene actually had a purpose.
@@Whatusername-17 first in the mcu unless you count agent Carter (I do).
@@Whatusername-17 yeah exactly! It was a perfect kiss imo. Important for our culture... but also important to the overall story.
Not only did we get 1 same sex kiss... we got 2! And that is huge
As a straight dude who hasn't watched the show because I consume too much BS, I appreciate this and will probably watch it soon.
It was pretty in your face. They did a whole big close up. Not complaining. Just saying, it was very in your face.
I really value how you handle the "I told you so" factor. You don't want to lord it over the people who are Wrong and Stupid, you're happy that they get to experience a great show despite how sure they were that it would flop. They get to choose: stick to their guns and look foolish, or be open minded and find something unexpectedly great.
Agatha All Along was incredible, I am very excited to see where Billy goes from here and I think we need more of these slower paced character driven stories. I don't care as much for the big fight scenes as I have in the past and I am glad for episode 9 but there are still so many things that need to be addressed with Billy's character that I think we need to dedicate a series to him finding Tommy and telling the Caplin family that he is not William and explaining that to them, because right now it feels like Agatha is leading him to abandon them and I think there needs to be some closure there. I am sad its over but I really hope going forward Marvel see's the success of this and decides to give new crazy ideas a chance
This is my favorite show from Marvel now. Second is Agents of Shield, which I watch constantly, too. Now I've added Agatha All Along to the list of play throughs. I've been watching it every night to go to sleep to. It's just so good and comforting!
Great addition for the bohner cinematic universe
The main thing Agatha succeeded at is having a great final stretch, all of the last episodes were the best ones, especially the last 3
Best Marvel shows (for MCU canon):
1. Loki
2. Agatha
3. Wandavision
Daredevil is MCU canon
This show is so great I think it’s my fave MCU show. Disney needs to lock down this writing team for their shows.
I loved that they used a more Latin American version of Death instead of the usual Grim Reaper we get.
Well, Aubrey is Latina.
Death from Sandman is not a grim reaper type too
It would be cool to get random Aubrey plaza cameos whenever a character dies or is about today it would build the suspense for certain movies and shows
I like to think that the road Billy created is a pocket dimension and in the end he only closed the door & now any witch can access it from now on
As a father who has a young son, I found myself crying a lot and connected with Agatha's character in the loss of her son. The last episode had me breaking down during and after the film. The idea that was a song the two of them created and it has lasted the centuries was truly touching even though Agatha uses it to lure in victims. It makes you question the degree you would go to simply get more time with your child.
I think the show has a little bit for just about everybody and for that it was better in my eyes than Wandavision.
I wanna say Agatha All Along shares the Best MCU spot with Season 1 Loki. WandaVision and Season 2 Loki immediately comes after.
About what you mention at the end about letting creators make their projects. I've been of the mind "all along" that their TV shows need to be made like comic book runs. There's a specific artist drawing the images, a particular writer and so on.
This approach to the TV shows can give us what the books always have. Interconnected stories that stand up on their own and have their own identity. Identity in terms of an overall look and tone especially.
And these shows should be for individual characters. They can give us so much backstory and depth of character in the episodic worlds. This way when the team up projects hits theaters we don't need a bunch of exposition to care about the new characters. We already love them from the shows. And I firmly believe the only movies should be team up movies. I think all individual projects should be shows and Special Presentations. Lower budgets and longer arcs.
This is also gives choosey fans the option to pick their ones to focus on and just watch those shows if they want. This is also where the hardcore fans gets flavor changes so you don't get fatigue of everything just looking and feeling like the general Marvel look and feel that started to get old for us all after Endgame.
To me this is just the obvious way we should get these stories. They can go with much lower budgets and much longer stories all at the same time. Giving us some real investment every time these characters team up to save the world.
believe it or not most of television does it like that, with showrunners and consistent exec producers and writers/directors.
it's just that the "marvel method" has cut corners and streamlined things too much resulting in a very segregated and disconnected universe.
just some of the pros and cons of having so many angles to work with on so many projects all at once with such a huge pipeline
I think the young avengers team up should be a tv show. Ms Marvel, Wiccan, Speed, Skrulls (Hulkling), Patriot, Kate Bishop and Kang (Ironlad) have all been introduced in Tv shows. The only ones that weren’t were Cassie Lang and America Chavez, who were in lack lustre movies anyways. I also feel like it would be easier to market that way. People might watch a young avengers tv show or a champions mini series, but the title would be too cheesy for modern audiences.
You said exactly what I was thinking about Billy’s costume. I love the sparkly/star costume so much and I appreciated seeing a little sparkle in the current costume, but there’s definitely room for that upgrade in the future. As a massive young avengers fan I am so happy with how Billy was adapted. He’s my second favorite after Kate so even though they’ve kind of botched some of the others (mostly America, and Cassie could be better) I feel so lucky to have had two of my favorites so faithfully adapted.
Glad to see a fellow she hulk enjoyer
We're out there!
(though I fear we are outnumbered... or, at least, drowned out by the loud incel caterwalling)
There are dozens!
I’m just glad to see there are more fans than me
There are many of us. You just have to ignore the incel and incel grifter screaming
I'm still waiting to see more Madisynn.
They actually did incorporate the star motif in Billie's Wiccan costume. His cape also has the same pattern as Vision's cape. They also used the runes they created for Wandavision. It doesn’t show up well on screen, but they've released a few video's sbout the costumes in the last few days giving closer looks at the details.
I became emotionally invested in AAA more than any other. Loved it and will definitely rewatch several more times.
They definitely did deliver.
Agatha All Along is way up there. The story telling is phenomenal.
literally one of the best shows we’ve watched this year. absolutely incredible, hoping for part 2
Patti Lupone absolutely killed it as Lilia and episode 7 was one of the coolest, trippiest episodes of tv I’ve ever watched
Crazy how the better known and most loved characters usually have shows that are a let down. But weird side characters like Agatha and Andor get fantastic series.
They hire the the most expensive shittiest writers for the big ones so passionate ones left for these kinds of projects.
My personal theory is that if they're making a show about Agatha Harkness or Cassian Andor or whatever, it must be because they actually have a story they want to tell, because shows about characters like that don't really get made if they're just trying to bank on the most popular names.
If they make a show about an established and popular character, it's much more likely that the execs just told them to, and they don't really know what to do with it.
If the character is less popular, you can't rely on fan service for success. Instead, you have to rely on a good story.
@@tommarsdon5644 and also the inverse, the more popular a character is, the more they tend to just rely on that hype being the main selling factor, and then quality becomes the secondary motivation
I wrote this show off SO hard, but told myself I'd give it a chance and binge it at the end. So glad I did! It was a really well made show with heart, character, great set/costume design, and a very good cast!
As a bisexual guy who was worried about how Billie would be portrayed. They did it pretty perfectly. When I saw his room I like jumped up and started pointing out all the shared interests me and Billy had. By the end of the show, I don’t think there’s a Super hero I find more relatable. And that comes from a lifelong Spider-Man fan.
Me before show: omg i can't believe they made an Agatha show 4 years after Wandavision
Me after watching first few episodes: OMG chat are we back??
Me after episode 7: this may be the best thing Marvel has done ever
Me after the finale: dear Kevin Feige,
Please let Jac Schaeffer do whatever she wants forever. Love, Emma
the funniest bit is they made her look like classic Agatha when the comics just resurrected her and made her hot..
I saw a very popular tweet after the finale basically saying this but also making the point that this is why movie synnergy with comics sucks.
@@pepperidgefarm1003same problem with Arcane and its conflicting relationship with the actual lore from Runeterra (League's universe). So iirc they're working on reconning it to match Arcane's narrative.
Nando’s biggest issue with the series was resolved… why there was a subway under jersey. Because the witches road wasn’t real!
…. Or maybe it was because it seemed like they kind of were underground
Except New Jersey has a great subway and train network haha. Especially in the tri state area, so that wasn’t really too far fetched. Look up a NJ transit map 🙂
Well, it was real for a day.
I definitely feel like they could still make the Witch's Road a real thing in the future if they wanted. Intention and ritual are important in magic and we have had probably hundreds of witches who truly believe in the road doing a ritual over and over again for hundreds of years. If magic is making your will into reality i feel like thats a cool way to do it.
I have definitely rewatched each episode 3 times already. It’s gonna be a great addition to the yearly Halloween watches. And actually, I will probably watch throughout the year, it’s so good!
Agatha All Along was an amazing story. My favorite episode was 9, The Tale of Nicolas Scratch (I call it). Tommy and Billy were some of the best additions to WandaVision but the introduction of Nicolas Scratch changed the game. For that short time he was introduced, I forgot the other eight episodes, and it became all about him. The Agatha's love for her unborn child broke your heart from the door and the young actor playing Nicolas stole your heart instantly. It became his episode the second he opened his mouth and started singing. His innocence just crushed you. The moment he made the silly little song up about the windy road, God! It fills your poor heart with such tender emotions and when Death came for him? The way he kissed his mom goodbye, as if he really understood the sacrifice he had made by not tricking that Witch's Coven who wanted to take them in. He kissed his Mom goodbye and left with Death. It almost crushed me. Those moments won me over. Hands down, 9 was my favorite episode. Nicholas Scratch was everything...
its been great watching your reviews as the episodes came out as well
I'm Pissed I wanted my Alice back
She is a great character but I do appreciate the show's willingness to play for keeps and show how dangerous magic is.
@ and they actually had stakes dang I just thought that character had a lot of potential
Upon rewatching, I realized that Alice should have been freed from the road the moment she found out the truth about her mom and her family curse got banished.
@@yasspanda2559 Technically she didn't believe there was a curse. i think her wish was to find her true purpose in life. And that was protecting someone!
All I’m saying is that when Tony died, he 100% flirted with Death.
Also, side note: how many afterlives do we have in the MCU now? Soul world, Death, Egyptian, Wakandan, Valhalla. And with the introduction of Mephistopheles and Magik, this will only get bigger. I really hope they explain this at some stage.
I liked Hawkeye but I’m know that I’m in a minority on that.
That said, I think Wanda and Agatha are the best of Marvel on Disney so far.
Loki was better. Had better tone, atmosphere, story and succeeded to complete Two Seasons within the same continuity.
I liked Hawkeye too. I liked the fact that it wasn’t a world-ending threat- just small-scale human drama.
Hawkeye is underrated!!! Clint and Kate is awesome
Loved Hawkeye! I don’t think of it as much bc it’s very Decembery but it was fun
I also really liked Hawkeye.
If Wanda comes back Jac Schaefer absolutely needs to do it. It's just getting more painful how Raimi/Feige handled her the more this universe gets fleshed out
The theme of this show is profound: how we deal with trauma and how not dealing with it passes it along. Billy acknowledges the harm he has done in response to his trauma. He honors those who he (inadvertently) took down. Unlike Wanda and Agatha, he tries to atone and to not lose hope and get caught in guilt and pain. Agatha is the only one who insists on passing on her trauma. Deep message.
With Billy's costume they actually did have the stars on the outfit just it was on his legs so harder to see but really cool they did include it.
Marvel just released a "Agatha All Along | Costumes Behind the Scenes", where you can see it better!
It would be so cool if Westview just got like infused with so much magic and became so well known that later a bunch of magical people moved there and had their own little community
Yeah, I feel bad for the people living there but all that magic had to have some lasting impact besides the collective trauma.
*Like.....MUTANTS?* 🤔
I would love for the movies to use Aubrey Plaza as a Background actor in projects where someones gonna die
Oh, that's a fun idea. Foreshadowing purely by seeing her face; the subtle dread and tension that could immediately introduce into a story when the audience notices her would be a great tool to play around with. She'd be like the visual counterpart to hearing a banshee wail.
@@emhooaryou698 exactly exactly, would also connect the show to the wider mcu in a more direct way
K. Hahn is one of my favorite actresses now from her role as Agatha in both shows/seasons. It's safe to say, you saw her play nearly every emotion and style of acting (welll sorta) from this dynamic performance. Side note- her hands are SO classic witchy* I was glued to them in every episode. Very cool touch.❤
Visionquest is happening with the showrunner being the showrunner from S3 of Picard, and Spader is already confirmed to be returning as Ultron
It was nice seeing a character actor like Kathryn Hahn get her turn in the spotlight. And yes...the show was very good.
What I liked is this was actually the origin story of Wiccan through Agatha's 'eyes', while telling her own story. There was alot to unpack, there was alot of hints to what will be coming, what 'could' be coming, there was alot of nods to real witchcraft and easter eggs, it was obviously really well written, it ended better than it started, and it started really good. The 'gimmes' were the introduction of another cosmic character, Eternity's 'sister', Lady Death, and a 'mention' of Mephisto, which hints to so many other things that can come down the line, Speed, even though we saw and didn't see him at the same time, lol, and then there was Jen. Jen's intro has finally convinced me the Midnight Sons is going to be a thing eventually. They have a few members already part of the MCU. There are alot of members in Midnight Sons in the comics, but if they start out with 'The Nine' like the comics, they are almost there. It looks like the Avengers is going to be a huge thing with Dark Avengers, Young Avengers, possibly a West Coast Avengers, with She-Hulk, War Machine, and Wonder Man now coming, and now the possibility of Midnight Sons. If they do, hopefully there will be a Lilith. This show is something else. I honestly didn't see it being this good. The MCU really needs to continue this formula in all the departments, Television, Animation and Studios. Character development and good storytelling is what made so many Marvel Comics characters so well loved.
All I’m saying, after Rio, I totally get comic Thanos’ motives.
it really seems like they let jac take the best parts of WV and crank them up to 11. there are veryyyy few qualms i have with this show (like how WV finale was too Capital M Marvel), the only thing i wished they would’ve fleshed out more is rio and agatha’s relationship ship.
from jac schaeffer’s interviews it seems like she wanted to not hold back and make rio nicky’s dad and explore that family dynamic but was shot down by marvel
wow an amazing video Nando.
I also loved this show.
I cannot wait to see the future for Wiccan, Mistress death and Agatha in the future in the MCU.
I’m 58. I’m one of those who watched only Wandavision and Agatha all along. I think I’m interested in watching more MCU now. It is fun
This was the very best tv show ever to have the marvel name attached to it. MCU or otherwise. The only truly spotless show, start to finish. Just absolutely peak, phenomenal television.
As soon as I finished the episodes I was like, oh Nando is gonna LOVE this! Couldn’t wait for the video to hear all your thoughts
They don't even need Aubrey plaza back. I think it would be interesting to just see Death looming in the background like the watcher during a big event like secret wars.
This show was deceptively clever and if Marvel have any sense they'll keep this team to do something else.
This show proves Jac Schaffer knows what she’s doing 100%. Give her whatever she wants please. Maybe we can finally get that Scarlet Witch solo Movie🙏🏻
I love that Agatha at no point is truthful or says what she's thinking. Only when she's pushed to the absolute limit will she say one somewhat truthful thing and even then it's only a half truth
I was one of those people that was like "Why are they making this?" I wasn't a hater, but any means. I'm a gay man and this was just right haha. I liked the Hahn SO much in Wandavision, but didn't need a whole show around her. I was gonna watch it anyway, but then the trailer came out and I was like "oh shit". And goddammit if this isn't now my favorite MCU show lol
most invested I've been in a Marvel show since Hawkeye
I think I like this better than WandaVision, but barely. What I love about this was it was a great mystery. They told us what this show would be in episode one, and we didn't believe them. But this was aboslutely a mystery. And it was such a well written one. Like put this up there with Knives Out. Each revelation, each twist, was so well done. Each are perfectly timed, and none of them feels like it comes out of left field. And I love that it can tell you what is going on, and then still pull the rug out from under you, in the same way Knives Out does.
I don’t trust Marvel enough to assume this was intentional, but I love that the title “Agatha All Along” ties in with the Witch’s Road, cause it was Agatha All Along
You think they changed the title of this show 5 times only to arrive at something that isn’t intentional?
Didn't you see how well written the show was?! Of course it was intentional!!
It was obviously intentional!
@ That’s what the “I don’t trust Marvel enough” part was for.
@ I just don’t have enough faith in the studio that did Secret Invasion and Quantumania