These men have a tiger by her tail here. Love Vivian Lee and I bet she didn’t take any crap off anybody lol probably why they accused her of being mentally ill because she didn’t take any crap from anyone back then.
Well I’m a little taken aback by it all to be honest. I really didn’t know that you could have 4 different people in 4 different places in the world and have a smooth real time transition in audio in the year 1958! Honestly if I had speculated what year this would’ve been possible I’d have likely said 1980 or so.
@@carama3590 She and have mental illnesses. She also was a sex addict and later died from tuberculosis. She wasn't healthy mentally or physically. She aged fast and hard. From being early 20s in 1939 for "GWTW" and only 11 years later for "Streetcar...", she shouldn't look 50+ years old.
This was filmed during a very difficult time for Vivien Leigh. She knew she had lost her beloved Olivier to Joan Plowright, and her marriage was hanging on by a thread! She actually looks older here than she will three years later when things stabilized and she apparently determined that she would carry on her life without Olivier. Have some compassion, folks. Vivien Leigh was a tremendously talented woman with a lot of heartache plus physical and mental challenges. That she managed to succeed despite these challenges is nothing short of astounding, and that she was beautiful to boot is just a plus!
Vivian Leigh was a gifted actress who had the ability to completely lose herself in a part. She nearly had a nervous breakdown during her depiction of Blanche DuBois in A Streetcar Named Desire. Rarely is talent ever meted out in the same measure as one's beauty.
I love how Vivian Leigh is just grinning like a Cheshire cat while smartly dismantling all their absurd arguments and statements. She's confident. She's calm. She's strong.
Please.... the *critic" comes across as phoney and inarticulate when criticizing Vivian''s performance in Streetcar, he quickly changes the subject, into another inarticulate point, he probably didn't last very long at "The New Yorker""
yes but all this berating of that ken dude was a bit much. from the start you can see from the host and stuff themselves he was set up to be the voice of doubt, and even if he was being laughed at and frowned upon by others in this talk show or as it suggested in the society of that time, he was still doing his job as a mouth piece of the people who simply take their art viewing a bit seriously. what's wrong with that? are you going to call out ebert too while you are at it calling critics talentless? that's a completely bullshit tangent and for the record i've watched this video since it was posted. and vivien leigh remain my top 3 most respected actor since decades ago
@@Eudaimaniac44 Biopolar is demonic infestation. She got it through electric shock much worse as demons enter that way, but it started at age 5 when she was shipped to England 2 a boarding school. She got traumatized then.
Megan Agetro. Oh Vivian. A great actress. Stunningly beautiful when she was young. What I find disturbing and sad is that this woman who was so incredibly beautiful in her prime, in her 20s and early 30s aged so quickly. In this video (she is in her 40s, early 50s? ) she looks likes any middle class well kept housewife at the time. Great beauties seem to age more badly than average people. Ps. My mum (83) now looks better than Brigitte Bardot who is also 80+
@@andreaerling7614 With Vivien I think it's not so much her aging badly it's just the fashion of the 1950s that made women seem very matronly. The whole bourgeoise look didn't help either: the pearls, brooches and coiffed and curled hairstyles, I mean, even Saint Laurent detested it. Also, I have to point out that middle-aged women were meant to dress matronly whereas it's common these days to find women in their 40s still dressing casually and more girly and looking younger. I think the same of Gene Tierney, another famed beauty, who looked way older at age 40. Bardot is of a more recent generation than the other two and with her I think it really is aging very badly, quite simply, she no longer gives a damn.
Very unusual for the time. Each person was filmed in each location. They listened to each other over the telephone line. Then the whole thing was edited together. There were no satellites back then.
I wonder how he would feel about Daniel Day-Lewis, an English-Irishman who has received praise for portraying American characters such as Bill the Butcher, Daniel Plainview and not to mention Abraham Lincoln. And of course, he won Oscars for the latter two roles.
Abused Peanut He had it out for her for a very long time, he criticised her acting a loooot, and said that she brought her husband down. I'm so glad she got to pull apart the twat
Abused Peanut Oh Yes, she had the emotional range of a couple of crows resting on a barn’s roofline. The character she played in Ship of Fools, was her nasty self.
She did such a great job in Gone With the Wind that I didn't even know she was English! I have never watched an interview by her. This is my first time hearing her accent! I love her in Gone With the Wind!
VoyagerOne she could take care of herself. She was a tough mother XXXX. All those Hollywood divas were actually quite strong. Marilyn, Judy...ALL made masterpieces amidst (spelling?) the sexism, racism, homophobia (which affected their closest friends). Wow! They were soooo intelligent and glamorous too!!!!
@@greenthumb1658 Her daughter had a baby, and Vivien was proud of that very fact, as Murrow knew (he said it precisely because that's the last thing anyone would associate with someone as glamorous as Vivien Leigh was; Leigh had no trouble getting the joke).
past generations were smarter than ours, because they did not need computers, programs, or applications to live and solve problems, they just used their common sense most of the time..
@@adolflenin4973 Two Academy Awards (in two nominations), a Tony Award, 37 theatrical plays and 19 motion pictures, are NOT typical of "any" actress, not alone a British one.
She put that fool in his place...and with that unforgettable smile on her face the whole time...and btw...Scarlett wouldn't have given him the time of day !! lol
Electrology Now mr. tynan was a brilliant film and theater critic, who was dedicated to the craft of acting. I realize it is easy to anonymously malign the dead, but please have a comprehensive understanding of the facts before you make such ridiculous comments.
There's a reason why Vivien is and will always be remembered as a marvelous actor, not only in England or the United States but WORLDWIDE while who is this critic guy?
@@laumessirenfijes And now "Antifa" wants to BAN the movie! What they miss is that "GW2" is not about the South, not about slavery, not even about the Civil War. The movie is about an amazingly strong, and yet complicated woman, who was powerful and yet always a woman. Seriously, this is the ultimate woman's film and it should be celebrated ... even by modern-day feminists. And, in 1939 ... something phenomenal for the times. Every year, I invite my favorite woman over and we watch the film together. Women don't have to become men to be powerful and do great things!
Gone with the wind was the best film ever made (in my opinion) and even today 2014/15 I get totally amazed by the photography, the impeccable performance of Vivienne Leigh's, Gable and O'Hara. A masterpiece. And what to say of the music. It is true , they don't make films like that anymore.
Vivian Leigh is an absolute legend. Tynan was playing with a tiger. he was too stupid to realize it. anyone who would criticize her performances is absolutely just doing it for attention. she was so beautiful, no one could have played Scarlett better. NO ONE.
The first time I saw, "A Streetcar Named Desire," I was emotionally captivated for days in response to how powerful and real Leigh's performance was as, Blanche Dubois. Vivien was truly a one-of-a-kind actress, in any century.
I thought Vivien Leigh was astonishing in Street car named desire. And she definitely earned that 2nd Oscar for her portrayal of Blanche. It's a pity we lost her at aged 53. Also one of the most beautiful women who ever graced the silver screen. ❤
@@katarinaliljedahl9926 He didn't realise that he was dealing with, a lady. With wit as sharp as a razor. Clever, articulate lady. And Vivien was unwell too, in that interview. x
Wow Kenneth Tynan is one lucky man -- how many men can say they've had the floor mopped up with them by the talented, beautiful, fabulous and timeless Vivien Leigh???!
Agreed. He comes across as a vacuous drip who's completely out of his depth - exactly the type who write for The Observer today. Some things never change. Vivien Leigh was the consummate actress; she thoroughly understood her craft and was articulate in its defence. This discussion on the nature of acting anticipates some of the issues that have become topical today. Very interesting - and instructive.
Ken Tynan is totally responsible for looking ridiculous on his own. His views are very narrow and unimaginative besides lacking of an understanding of what an Actor can do to create the illusion of the character they play that has to transcend the literal. Mr. Tyan seems to rooted in literalism.
Oh my god. This critic guy is getting on my last nerve!! Vivien's right: the only thing that matters is the story and the actor portraying the story accurately and as truthfully as possible. It doesn't matter what culture they come from!
"I think people shouldn't appear too sure..." And when she gets to the next part, she delivers the line directly to Ken Tynan. And he felt it, and felt exposed by it you can tell. "...of themselves, because they probably aren't. As a rule. Is that what you mean?" A good example of getting one's point across, but doing it with some feeling and regard for the recipient. She understood vulnerability, yes, way better than Tynan it seems. And it shows in her handling of the exchange.
Tynan was merciless in his reviews of Vivien and stated that Olivier had to basically dumb down his acting chops so as to not throw Vivien in a bad light. He caused Vivien a great deal of pain in real life. This is Vivien at her best, iron fist in the velvet glove, purring as she slashes away at him. In later years he admitted he had treated Vivien unfairly and reconsidered his analysis of her acting capability. Too little too, late in my opinion. I love how she eats his shorts!
@@lizzylou9936 Vivien was such a great artist. So many people can't see the value of someone's art, but many can see it. And it's lucky for the ones that do, it adds to life so much, and encourages personal expression and greatness! As for holding her own with Tynan here, she seems to be coming from a place of understanding her value. It's a shame how all the chipping away at that we go through in life, Leigh included (From Tynan and others), chips away at our ability to understand and live from that place of value.
@@lizzylou9936 "Purring as she slashes away at him", Lol! What a brilliant analogy. Yes, she was a bit cat-like and kittenish Ms. Leigh, wasn't she? I think it was her green eyes and viv-acious personality.
I remember when I was growing up my mother's favorite movie was Gone With the Wind and any time I sat and watched all I kept thinking was how beautiful Vivian Leigh was! She was so beautiful!!!
So sad that she had a difficult life and died soooo young, only 53. In her heyday she was THE most beautiful woman on screen...ever. Never have I seen anyone so amazingly gorgeous since. Exquisite! You can't take your eyes off of her in "GWTW".
Vivien Leigh is an absolute genius. Such a sharp mind and wit and so gracious in the way she politely and brilliantly takes apart everything Tynan says. Poor Kenneth Tynan. He's clearly out of his depth and just babbling. Vulnerable girls? The actors he listed (Garbo, Dietrich and Leigh) were strong women.
Vivien Leigh had the Scarlet smile and twinkle in her eyes, even when she was not acting. She put a spell on men, women, children, everyone! She also was a very talented actress!
There are a few things I love about this interview one being how these 3 legends are having a discussion with all different points of view without showing any disrespect and also how the interview/discussion can go where it wants without an interviewer controlling and fabricating it. It's very warming to see :)
I will always love Vivien Leigh to bits and I especially like how she stands up to this nobody, a douche bag full of himself and of frustrations most of all, arrogant beyond belief. She is a classy lady and an A* actress, who, unlike many ignorant actors and actresses nowadays, is perfectly able to have a theoretical approach to her art too.
+laccanvas She wasn't all that interested in Hollywood and, in fact, even in Britain her movie roles averaged only one every three or four years. Her concentration was always in the theater. Her mental health also may have been a factor.
This is absolutely fascinating. I never saw an interview with any of these people before this! I think that Tynan, as bright as he was, still had a lot to learn, and Leigh and Goldwyn did a great job of on the spot teaching! They basically cream him and after a while his faulty and pretentious words just sound meaningless.
Vivien Leigh was an incomparable talent with grace and elegance in spades and a true beauty that came from her soul (as well as an extraordinary physical beauty). This makes her my favorite actress of all time. And here she handles Kenneth Tynan (who seems terribly smug and pretentious here) with aplomb. Thank you so much for posting this! I've never seen it before and watching it was enchanting
I didn’t expect to but I feel like I’m watching a grown up Scarlett! She’s simply marvelous. So full of truth and strength. I absolutely adore her. But so does the whole world
Why would reviewer say it's wrong for one nationality to play another? Doesn't he know the definition of acting, which is to pretend to be a character?
Because In some instances it IS wrong. I'm African and Indian, would u approve of me playing Vivien Leigh in a biopic? Even if I looked exactly like her I'd bet the farm the public would boycott. Look at the film DragonSeed, it was ridiculous to cast Katharine Hepburn as an Asian when Anna May Wong was available and more suitable for the role
Vivian Leigh was an absolute treasure! Wonderful in her role as Scarlett O'Hara and equally brilliant as Blanche DuBois. She was perfect in Storm in a Teacup and Hamlet. I loved her heart-shaped face, delicate smile, and poised mannerisms. Truly a great actress. She put the boorish Ken and his criticisms in his place without him knowing it!
So amazing. Just watched Street Car last night. Very smart lady. Love how she talks about the characters being different between Street Car and GWTW due to one prevails and the other is broken down.
I've been a fan of the elusive Vivien Leigh all my adult life (too young to have seen her on the stage, that leaves her films, only a few of which seem to capture her at her best). So an almost feature-length interview featuring her seemed irresistible. And I've tried several times to watch this, but the repulsive presence of the pompous, self-important, odious little dung beetle Kenneth Tynan has always made me recoil. Without question he had a gift for words - most particularly for barbed remarks that seem cheaper with each passing year - but he has always come off more as a precocious sixth-form bully than a truly professional writer. Vivien Leigh's performance in A Streetcar Named Desire will live as long as people see classic films. Tynan's reviews, some of which are now available in an anthology, were for a long time out of print.
@@janetlieb2507 we all love Vivien, our English rose I can't think of any of our English actresses More gorgeous looking and terrific acting than her, can anybody else.
God almighty, any questions why she got the part of Scarlet? She's sensational, she doesn't back down to anybody, especially any of these patronizing men.
First time I've ever had the chance to see Vivien Leigh in an in-depth interview. She went through a lot of the usual celebrity-related melodrama in her life--some of it self-inflicted--but she was also tremendously talented and cultured. In spite of the personal upheavals at this point in time, she shows real manners, class and insight here...in the process, making Tynan look pretty much like a pompous jerk. Thanks for posting this, Taylormayes!
I love that the critic and the critiqued were both on the interview! The critic, being called out to justify and not just put in words to paper and hide behind it. We need such shows now! 😌👍🏽
This is awesome...crazy awesome! It is magical to hear Vivien speak out of the character of Scarlett O'Hara...it is funny because she still has her Scarlett on a bit at certain points...check out 5:30-5:33 when she says, "Sorry Ken...I think they were entirely different." I Love it! Then how she fired back about playing a southern belle. She is freaking Whitty! I Love it! I soooo adore this woman...I tell you I believe I have felt her spirit with me at different points in my life. Thank U4 this!
She's so amazing! Each times that she smiles my heart skips a beat! Oh that Ken Tynan guys irritated me. Streetcar was probably Viv best movie for me. The only thing she stuck out with was her talent and great performance.
Gone With The Wind is one of my all time favorite movies and I wasn't even close to being born when it was made. Vivian Leigh was amazing in that movie! The whole movie was unlike anything made in my generation. Love Vivian Leigh!
What exactly is Kenneth Tynan remembered for? I hate how he talks about 'girls' when referring to women. What a pompous jerk. "A critic is a legless man who teaches running." - Anonymous
A star is someone who shines a special light, in my opinion. You can't put your finger on it. You only know someone "has it" and they stand out. And this lady is such a star! She answers every question brilliantly!
Vivienne Leigh was before my time but seeing her films, especially GWTW, are mainstays in my life. Yes, she beautiful but also extremely talented and that should never forgotten about her.
Well, also, Jude Law and Nicole Kidman (a Englishman & an Australian) played southerners in Cold Mountain. Zhang Ziyi, Gong Li & Michelle Yeoh (two Chinese and one Malaysian) stared in Memoirs of a Geisha. Both those films were hits and nationality of the actors didn't hurt the films receptions by audiences. Film critics like this guy don't have a clue. They just are contrary just for the sake of being contrary. It's their way of justifying their paychecks. Vivian Leigh was a huge part in making Gone With the Wind the success it was.
philip jay rushton But that's exactly the point that Goldwyn, Leigh and myself are making. It doesn't matter. It's an acting venue. The whole premise of acting in fact is to step into roles that aren't your own. Doesn't make a damned what your background if you pull off the role believably. And by the way, during the Civil war, people were residing in the US of many more backgrounds than just the examples you give of celtic and anglo background. In other words, the characters Jude Law and Nicole Kidman were playing in Cold Mountain could have 'just as well' been of German, French or some other 'mixed' background or whatever. The point is, it doesn't matter the background of the actor in regards to the character they play as long as they are talented enough to pull it off successfully. What Ken is trying to say is the same kind of nonsense that arose about Gong Li, Zhang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh in the Memoirs of a Geisha movie. In the end, it didn't matter. They pulled it off and the film was a success. The fact some Japanese people were bothered that Chinese actresses were doing the roles had more to do with Nationalistic attitudes and hangups than anything else. And that's those particular individuals' problem. Just like it's Ken's individual problem about Vivian Leigh playing a southern belle. As Goldwyn, pointed out., it sure didn't seem to bother the overall world wide viewership. Bottom line, critics like Ken tend to read more into things than is required if for nothing else, just to justify his paycheck.
philip jay rushton Now you're comparing apples with oranges, Thats a sure sign of a desperate attempt at a viable argument. First you brought up the point about "background" such as nationality or language family, ie: Celtic, Anglo. I shot you down on that one so now you're trying to raise a ridiculous comparison based on race? Please! Even Ken didn't go that route, so why should you? Goldwyn's 'never' misinterpreted Ken's comment. Because national terms is exactly what Ken was referencing by the mere fact he 'did' try to explain that there are "background and cultural" differences between Japanese and Chinese (the two being definite nationalities). As for your statement "The ONLY purpose of acting is to portray an authentic rendition of a given character. " That's fools talk!. Because not ALL characters are going to be "authentic" in the fantasy world of movies in both fiction and fact. Even the movies based on fact are never completely authentic in their content. That's the difference between movies and documentaries.
philip jay rushton Oh stop your pseudo-intellectual babbling already, lol? They are a perfect analogy. They both are foreign actors portraying American characters just as Vivian Leigh was. And yes, they did a great job and yes, I am a genius, lol.
philip jay rushton Don't be ignorant. What the hell is your argument anyway, lol, because your just making my point. Yeah, no shit Leroy, she IS Anglo-Celtic which exactly proves my 'original ' point. That it doesn't matter that she isn't American, she was qualified to play the part as well as any other American actress could have. And my example of Jude Law and Nicole Kidman (also Anglo Celtic) supported that. So, you basically reversed your first argument about "Would you like to see Denezel Washington (African American actor) portray Thomas Jefferson (European American) or Bruce Lee (Chinese American)?" bla bla bla bla. Well, 'dumbshit', of course I wouldn't for the very reason you just brought up in your last post, they aren't of the same race. And who the hell ever said I would? You made those ridiculously stupid comparisons, not me. You make no sense. I don't think you really know 'what' your argument is in regards to what I was saying in my first post to be honest. You're like a fuckin' spastic with your train of thought!! Get a clue!
philip jay rushton Actually I think you missed the point of my original comment as well as the argument that Kenneth was making in the video. Samuel and Kenneth started out talking about Japanese playing a Chinese. Chinese and Japanese, although they are of different nationalities and there are 'some' differences in culture, they are 'both' of the Mongoloid race. So, he never mentioned difference in race. In fact, he made a vague reference to "background and temperament". And it's a pretty good bet that if Kenneth didn't 'know' it was a Japanese playing a Chinese, then chances are, as a white foreigner about as far removed from Japanese and Chinese culture as you get, he himself wouldn't know the difference anyway...much less the average western movie going viewer. And his argument is further weakened because the two nationalities, despite their differences, share a lot culturally as well. And as Vivian Leigh pointed out, what difference does it make anyway if they are great artists as actors? But then, Vivian challenges his analogy by confronting him about her being the only English actress cast in Streetcar named desire, and how that didn't seem tio be a issue. So he responds that he felt she 'did' stick out a "little bit" being that she is English. There again, he picked on nationality differences, not racial background. Yet she still won a second Academy Award for Best Actress. So, my point about Nicole and Jude as being English actors in Cold Mountain, a movie about American characters, is perfectly in keeping in line with the context of the interview. whereas, your attempt to bring examples of African Americans and Chinese into the mix as playing a white character, totally misses Kenneth's argument by a long shot. Racial difference was 'never' the issue in that interview.
It's amazing how fast Vivien Leigh aged. She was still beautiful in this but she looks much older than 40. Same thing with Ava Gardner who started aging rapidly in her mid to late 30's.
I agree. Wasn't trying to put them down or anything - and I'm aware of their histories - but I still stand by the fact that Ava seemed to age overnight. I still think they were beautiful women. Two of the most gorgeous women in Hollywood history.
I think she looks gorgeous! I think sometimes the fashion and hairstyles then in particular were ageing to be honest. Vivien Leigh suffered with Bi Polar and also had tuberculosis several times during her life, this eventually killed her. Her mental health took a real toll on her . She hated having a mental illness which wasn't as understood then as it is now and far more stigmatised in those days. She sometimes resorted to ECT treatment which she absolutely dreaded but it did help her when she was at some of her worst points. Her marriage to Laurence Olivier was also coming to an end, a man she never ever stopped loving, She also smoked heavily too. Taking all that into consideration, she looked bloody amazing!
Vivien Leigh smoked 4 packs of cigarettes a day and had untreated tuberculosis. That is what aged her. She also had shock therapy treatments. She had a difficult life.
Sadly, Vivian died at age 53 when she got up from bed to go to the bathroom and her lungs filled up with liquid and collapsed in her bedroom and died from suffocation from the liquid entering her lungs caused by Tuberculosis.
Ms. Vivien Leigh makes her case as a true artist, she's super intelligent, has a deep understanding of acting and her role in the parts she plays. The New York Times reporter has a point, what he's talking about is indeed worth discussing, should Japanese actors play Chinese characters? Should Haitians play Jamaicans, should Brits play Americans and vice versa? We should discuss that, but during this interview, Vivien made a very solid case and won all the arguments. God bless her soul!
How inapt Ken Tynan is - I wonder how he could make it as a critic. Viv Leigh and Sam Goldwyn are pretty good, especially Viv - what a lovely and smart woman!
It's like a Zoom meeting back in the 50s and Vivien Leigh definitely wins the award for the best background.
These men have a tiger by her tail here. Love Vivian Lee and I bet she didn’t take any crap off anybody lol probably why they accused her of being mentally ill because she didn’t take any crap from anyone back then.
Well I’m a little taken aback by it all to be honest. I really didn’t know that you could have 4 different people in 4 different places in the world and have a smooth real time transition in audio in the year 1958!
Honestly if I had speculated what year this would’ve been possible I’d have likely said 1980 or so.
@@carama3590 She and have mental illnesses. She also was a sex addict and later died from tuberculosis. She wasn't healthy mentally or physically. She aged fast and hard. From being early 20s in 1939 for "GWTW" and only 11 years later for "Streetcar...", she shouldn't look 50+ years old.
I was just thinking the same thing! @@averydaymond1560
@@averydaymond1560 they had the technology way before you think.
This was filmed during a very difficult time for Vivien Leigh. She knew she had lost her beloved Olivier to Joan Plowright, and her marriage was hanging on by a thread! She actually looks older here than she will three years later when things stabilized and she apparently determined that she would carry on her life without Olivier. Have some compassion, folks. Vivien Leigh was a tremendously talented woman with a lot of heartache plus physical and mental challenges. That she managed to succeed despite these challenges is nothing short of astounding, and that she was beautiful to boot is just a plus!
+Lizzy Lou Besides which in her youth, she was a stunningly beautiful woman.
+Gilda Marlowe She was not exactly a ' plain Jane' in her later years.
Vivian doesn't need our compassion. She is doing fine on her own but the pathetic critic needs a lot of it.
Vivian Leigh was a gifted actress who had the ability to completely lose herself in a part. She nearly had a nervous breakdown during her depiction of Blanche DuBois in A Streetcar Named Desire. Rarely is talent ever meted out in the same measure as one's beauty.
nice to see her somewhat "Prickly" personality!
Scarlett O'Hara was a girl who could be easily knocked around? Damn, he missed the entire point of Gone With the Wind.
TIL film critics have been useless since the dawn of the medium.
I love how Vivian Leigh is just grinning like a Cheshire cat while smartly dismantling all their absurd arguments and statements. She's confident. She's calm. She's strong.
And pleasantly crocked. lol She sure put that anal retentive closet gay critic in his place.
Yes, and she is very polite.
What "absurd" arguements? It's a healthy, reasonable debate that they're having.
Please.... the *critic" comes across as phoney and inarticulate when criticizing Vivian''s performance in Streetcar, he quickly changes the subject, into another inarticulate point, he probably didn't last very long at
"The New Yorker""
I named my son Rhett. He's never seen Gone With the Wind.
If I could have 1/9000 of her grace and shit giving I'd be fine 🙂
she was a strong woman and didnt stand for any man disrespecting her
yes but all this berating of that ken dude was a bit much. from the start you can see from the host and stuff themselves he was set up to be the voice of doubt, and even if he was being laughed at and frowned upon by others in this talk show or as it suggested in the society of that time, he was still doing his job as a mouth piece of the people who simply take their art viewing a bit seriously. what's wrong with that? are you going to call out ebert too while you are at it calling critics talentless? that's a completely bullshit tangent
and for the record i've watched this video since it was posted. and vivien leigh remain my top 3 most respected actor since decades ago
@@Eudaimaniac44 Biopolar is demonic infestation. She got it through electric shock much worse as demons enter that way, but it started at age 5 when she was shipped to England 2 a boarding school. She got traumatized then.
@@Adriana-vp1rm Is that true?
Because she was to busy sleeping with them all
Yes
Her vocabulary is at another level. She is so beautiful and glamorous in every aspect.
Megan Agetro. Oh Vivian. A great actress. Stunningly beautiful when she was young.
What I find disturbing and sad is that this woman who was so incredibly beautiful in her prime, in her 20s and early 30s aged so quickly. In this video (she is in her 40s, early 50s? ) she looks likes any middle class well kept housewife at the time. Great beauties seem to age more badly than average people. Ps. My mum (83) now looks better than Brigitte Bardot who is also 80+
@@andreaerling7614 With Vivien I think it's not so much her aging badly it's just the fashion of the 1950s that made women seem very matronly. The whole bourgeoise look didn't help either: the pearls, brooches and coiffed and curled hairstyles, I mean, even Saint Laurent detested it. Also, I have to point out that middle-aged women were meant to dress matronly whereas it's common these days to find women in their 40s still dressing casually and more girly and looking younger. I think the same of Gene Tierney, another famed beauty, who looked way older at age 40. Bardot is of a more recent generation than the other two and with her I think it really is aging very badly, quite simply, she no longer gives a damn.
If anybody had the same health problems Vivien Leigh had, you would have all aged she is still so loveable.
@@KTR2022 🙌🏻❤
I feel like I'm watching a vintage podcast with the same controversies we have today. Vivien Leigh is Perfection.
I was about to say that! We changed so much yet so little
@@lucianag9528 She did an excellent job of Hiding her English accent while playing those Roles.
I agreed
What a stupid think to say..
Perfection? Lol
@@alatziassylvia8709 What a stupid comment you type.. Lol? Jealousy
Very unusual for the time. Each person was filmed in each location. They listened to each other over the telephone line. Then the whole thing was edited together. There were no satellites back then.
No way you sure of that? 🤔If that is true I'm stunned wow💯
@@traceybutler7105 1950s teams meeting lol
I love Vivien and I just love how she is owning this Ken clown.
I wonder how he would feel about Daniel Day-Lewis, an English-Irishman who has received praise for portraying American characters such as Bill the Butcher, Daniel Plainview and not to mention Abraham Lincoln. And of course, he won Oscars for the latter two roles.
Actually Goldwyn started it.
SHE OWNED HIM. It was hilarious.
Abused Peanut He had it out for her for a very long time, he criticised her acting a loooot, and said that she brought her husband down. I'm so glad she got to pull apart the twat
Abused Peanut Oh Yes, she had the emotional range of a couple of crows resting on a barn’s roofline. The character she played in Ship of Fools, was her nasty self.
I love her reply to his criticism: "I just have to try and be better, that's all."
Seems to be an attitude she had with life. Really sweet gal.
She was a Scorpio; that was her serene way of giving him the kiss off
@@davidpar2 Yes! Brilliant. Scorpio!!♏💙
She was being sarcastic.
@@Trollika_Devi there is.somthing
About Vivien Leigh, you can'not stop
Loving her.
@@lawrencesait3432 Yes , I agree !:)
She did such a great job in Gone With the Wind that I didn't even know she was English! I have never watched an interview by her. This is my first time hearing her accent! I love her in Gone With the Wind!
Being the classy lady Miss Leigh is she was able to shut these twirps down and still remain composed and professional.
Exactly!
Exactly, Gone with the Wind would have been boring with any lesser woman play scarlet, she made that movie a classic.
@@vickymcfadden7173 So Brilliant As Scarlett!♥️♥️
Vivien Leigh is so fancy and classy.
VoyagerOne she could take care of herself. She was a tough mother XXXX. All those Hollywood divas were actually quite strong. Marilyn, Judy...ALL made masterpieces amidst (spelling?) the sexism, racism, homophobia (which affected their closest friends). Wow! They were soooo intelligent and glamorous too!!!!
***** I hope that was a joke, I because really laughed hard.
"I don't think men are all that important." I love her.
“I don’t think men are important” yet she stole someone else’s husband
Isabelle Skye I’m just saying that bc she acts all independent and says she don’t need men and shit like that yet she took her best friends husband 💀
I think that was a bit tongue in cheek.
her saying that in the context of her time is find, in fact its funny...But a woman saying that nowadays is misandrist sexist against men
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Love Vivien's laugh when Murrow calls her ''Grandma''. Love that she had a sense of humour about herself.
Wasn't that tactless? Grandma, really? would he be glad to hear "grandpa"?
@@greenthumb1658 that’s the problem with you people, no sense of humour.
@@greenthumb1658 I looked it up but she had become a grandma three weeks prior.
I think it was a form of congratulations
@@greenthumb1658 Her daughter had a baby, and Vivien was proud of that very fact, as Murrow knew (he said it precisely because that's the last thing anyone would associate with someone as glamorous as Vivien Leigh was; Leigh had no trouble getting the joke).
Wow Vivien Leigh was SMART!
past generations were smarter than ours, because they did not need computers, programs, or applications to live and solve problems, they just used their common sense most of the time..
Vivien Leigh was extremely smart!!!
yes and we can clearly see she was against racism
I read someplace that she had a photographic memory.
Most actors are.
Vivien Leigh completely dominates this interview. She was amazing!
Strong Intelligent. Beautiful. Scarlett!!♥️♥️♥️♥️
Typical British Actress ☺👼🎱🆒
and Ken was coming off as a bit of a dufus ...
@@finallythere100 Yeah, dude obviously had personal issues and comes off completely clueless about acting. Leigh was a pro.
@@adolflenin4973 Two Academy Awards (in two nominations), a Tony Award, 37 theatrical plays and 19 motion pictures, are NOT typical of "any" actress, not alone a British one.
I can't think of any actress that has two WELL DESERVED Oscars like her.
Bette Davis.
Meryl Streep has 3
@@lanas1149 Many, many more films though, Vivien has a very small body of work.
Olivia de Havilland, Katherine Hepburn.
@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 Love Hepburn but she really only deserved one of hers, for The Lion in Winter.
Vivien nails it at 5:00, when she states, "Why, it was a perfectly human story!"
Vivien Leigh is a truly great actress and a very intelligent woman
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I love this woman. I'd never seen this video... I respect her more now more than ever.
She is so classy yet sassy! I love it!
She put that fool in his place...and with that unforgettable smile on her face the whole time...and btw...Scarlett wouldn't have given him the time of day !! lol
If you have talent, you are an artist. If you have NO TALENT you are a critic!
Electrology Now mr. tynan was a brilliant film and theater critic, who was dedicated to the craft of acting. I realize it is easy to anonymously malign the dead, but please have a comprehensive understanding of the facts before you make such ridiculous comments.
@@cascooter Nah. He's just another pretentious prick of no talent. :)
There's a reason why Vivien is and will always be remembered as a marvelous actor, not only in England or the United States but WORLDWIDE while who is this critic guy?
@@laumessirenfijes And now "Antifa" wants to BAN the movie! What they miss is that "GW2" is not about the South, not about slavery, not even about the Civil War. The movie is about an amazingly strong, and yet complicated woman, who was powerful and yet always a woman. Seriously, this is the ultimate woman's film and it should be celebrated ... even by modern-day feminists. And, in 1939 ... something phenomenal for the times. Every year, I invite my favorite woman over and we watch the film together. Women don't have to become men to be powerful and do great things!
@@laumessirenfijes great comment.
These clips are gold. Vivienne Leigh was a very smart woman. Thanks for the upload
My favorite actress...she was the epitomy of grace as an actress and a woman. Never ever will be another Vivian Leigh
Gone with the wind was the best film ever made (in my opinion) and even today 2014/15 I get totally amazed by the photography, the impeccable performance of Vivienne Leigh's, Gable and O'Hara. A masterpiece. And what to say of the music. It is true , they don't make films like that anymore.
I thought De Havilland did the best job in the movie.
Yes...I watched the movie several times...
Really a classic movie..
Thinking that they have made a movie in 1940 makes me wonder....
Yes !! GONE WITH THE WIND is number ONE movie in history! Every aspect of it is perfect!
Great photography but it's definitely not the best film ever . It's overrated. The editing was shoddy in many places. The acting too.
Coming from 2022 and still agree snd still the best film ever made 💚
" i don't think men are all that important". Priceless.
Love it thanku 4 posting
She wasn’t be serious. Hell she loved men…
I love the way Vivien speaks - her mannerisms and her accent!
She’s smart and beautiful. I absolutely adore her cheeky smile it’s the most adorable thing.
Vivian Leigh is an absolute legend. Tynan was playing with a tiger. he was too stupid to realize it. anyone who would criticize her performances is absolutely just doing it for attention. she was so beautiful, no one could have played Scarlett better. NO ONE.
You said it perfectly! ❤️👍
The first time I saw, "A Streetcar Named Desire," I was emotionally captivated for days in response to how powerful and real Leigh's performance was as, Blanche Dubois. Vivien was truly a one-of-a-kind actress, in any century.
I thought Vivien Leigh was astonishing in Street car named desire. And she definitely earned that 2nd Oscar for her portrayal of Blanche. It's a pity we lost her at aged 53. Also one of the most beautiful women who ever graced the silver screen. ❤
I totally agree! Tynan was very hard on her at times, which is well documented, but she was the better one in many aspects.
@@katarinaliljedahl9926 He didn't realise that he was dealing with, a lady. With wit as sharp as a razor. Clever, articulate lady. And Vivien was unwell too, in that interview. x
Wow Kenneth Tynan is one lucky man -- how many men can say they've had the floor mopped up with them by the talented, beautiful, fabulous and timeless Vivien Leigh???!
That smile....beautiful. looks so innocent when she smiles, despite she's no teenager
Ken Tynan is made to look ridiculous in this interview and Vivien holds up with excellent grace and polite reasoning to his ill formed criticisms.
Agreed. He comes across as a vacuous drip who's completely out of his depth - exactly the type who write for The Observer today. Some things never change. Vivien Leigh was the consummate actress; she thoroughly understood her craft and was articulate in its defence. This discussion on the nature of acting anticipates some of the issues that have become topical today. Very interesting - and instructive.
Ken Tynan is totally responsible for looking ridiculous on his own. His views are very narrow and unimaginative besides lacking of an understanding of what an Actor can do to create the illusion of the character they play that has to transcend the literal. Mr. Tyan seems to rooted in literalism.
Oh my god. This critic guy is getting on my last nerve!! Vivien's right: the only thing that matters is the story and the actor portraying the story accurately and as truthfully as possible. It doesn't matter what culture they come from!
I'm sure she would have defended Scarlett (lol) Johansson for playing Major and a transgender.
He was simply an obnoxious and cheeky jackazz
"I think people shouldn't appear too sure..." And when she gets to the next part, she delivers the line directly to Ken Tynan. And he felt it, and felt exposed by it you can tell. "...of themselves, because they probably aren't. As a rule. Is that what you mean?" A good example of getting one's point across, but doing it with some feeling and regard for the recipient. She understood vulnerability, yes, way better than Tynan it seems. And it shows in her handling of the exchange.
Tynan was merciless in his reviews of Vivien and stated that Olivier had to basically dumb down his acting chops so as to not throw Vivien in a bad light. He caused Vivien a great deal of pain in real life. This is Vivien at her best, iron fist in the velvet glove, purring as she slashes away at him. In later years he admitted he had treated Vivien unfairly and reconsidered his analysis of her acting capability. Too little too, late in my opinion. I love how she eats his shorts!
@@lizzylou9936 Vivien was such a great artist. So many people can't see the value of someone's art, but many can see it. And it's lucky for the ones that do, it adds to life so much, and encourages personal expression and greatness! As for holding her own with Tynan here, she seems to be coming from a place of understanding her value. It's a shame how all the chipping away at that we go through in life, Leigh included (From Tynan and others), chips away at our ability to understand and live from that place of value.
@@lizzylou9936 "Purring as she slashes away at him", Lol! What a brilliant analogy. Yes, she was a bit cat-like and kittenish Ms. Leigh, wasn't she? I think it was her green eyes and viv-acious personality.
@@lizzylou9936 well said.
@@carolebarker2195 Miau
And does anyone remember who Ken Tynan is? No. But Vivian and her incredible performances will live forever.
L♥️ve Vivien!!♥️♥️♥️♥️
@@janetlieb2507 Yes!
@@scotnick59 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
@ Nat R; Very well said! Ken who????
He was a prominent and well-regarded critic
She's so beautiful it hurts!!
Love Vivian Leigh. She is both smart and a true artist
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I remember when I was growing up my mother's favorite movie was Gone With the Wind and any time I sat and watched all I kept thinking was how beautiful Vivian Leigh was! She was so beautiful!!!
So sad that she had a difficult life and died soooo young, only 53. In her heyday she was THE most beautiful woman on screen...ever. Never have I seen anyone so amazingly gorgeous since. Exquisite! You can't take your eyes off of her in "GWTW".
@@renemarie5936 heddy and Vivien looked so much alike.
@@lawrencesait3432 They should have played sisters in a film.
@@CanadianMonarchist great comment, pity know body else thought about that but you..
Vivien Leigh is an absolute genius. Such a sharp mind and wit and so gracious in the way she politely and brilliantly takes apart everything Tynan says. Poor Kenneth Tynan. He's clearly out of his depth and just babbling. Vulnerable girls? The actors he listed (Garbo, Dietrich and Leigh) were strong women.
,,I don't think men are all that important" Viv was such an icon
Love Vivien Leigh. These boys were giving her a hard time. She was a fantastic actress.
Vivien Leigh had the Scarlet smile and twinkle in her eyes, even when she was not acting. She put a spell on men, women, children, everyone! She also was a very talented actress!
There are a few things I love about this interview one being how these 3 legends are having a discussion with all different points of view without showing any disrespect and also how the interview/discussion can go where it wants without an interviewer controlling and fabricating it. It's very warming to see :)
Vivian owned them all!
yaass
Miss Leigh runs rings around Kenneth Tynan. He should have conceded defeat before he dug himself a deeper hole.
Leigh is and always has been brilliant. The new book out on her is startling. Such a difficult life. She is amazing.
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"Only twice in you know..twenty? Doesn't seem very often to me." THAT SMILE SHE DID AFTER THAT WAS GREAT.
Tynan is an insufferable bore! Vivien Leigh is a great, truly great, actress
I will always love Vivien Leigh to bits and I especially like how she stands up to this nobody, a douche bag full of himself and of frustrations most of all, arrogant beyond belief. She is a classy lady and an A* actress, who, unlike many ignorant actors and actresses nowadays, is perfectly able to have a theoretical approach to her art too.
Yes! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
We all love our Vivien.
vivien another star beyond her times....love her!!!
I am extremely enchanted by her voice
She was a beautiful actress. She needed more parts in movies. I wish the US film industry during that time would have used her more in her youth.
+laccanvas She wasn't all that interested in Hollywood and, in fact, even in Britain her movie roles averaged only one every three or four years. Her concentration was always in the theater. Her mental health also may have been a factor.
Thanks for the info...I can see that about her.
@@TheChannelTV-bt8em Olivier had no use,for the films, theatre was all and she loved Olivier.
No one else could ever be Scarlett, and I'm Southern ! :)
This is absolutely fascinating. I never saw an interview with any of these people before this! I think that Tynan, as bright as he was, still had a lot to learn, and Leigh and Goldwyn did a great job of on the spot teaching! They basically cream him and after a while his faulty and pretentious words just sound meaningless.
What a beautiful actress. A class act for sure
I love Vivien Leigh, thank you for posting, what a classy lady.
Vivien Leigh was an incomparable talent with grace and elegance in spades and a true beauty that came from her soul (as well as an extraordinary physical beauty). This makes her my favorite actress of all time. And here she handles Kenneth Tynan (who seems terribly smug and pretentious here) with aplomb. Thank you so much for posting this! I've never seen it before and watching it was enchanting
Sam Goldwyn pretending not to remember the title of Gone With The Wind is something wonderful.
gianca60 I legit think he forgot.
@@BadGuyRants He did it as a friendly jab at Vivien since she declined the supporting role in Wuthering Heights and ended up doing Gone With The Wind.
I didn’t expect to but I feel like I’m watching a grown up Scarlett! She’s simply marvelous. So full of truth and strength. I absolutely adore her. But so does the whole world
Yes! L♥️ve Scarlett!!♥️♥️♥️♥️
We all love our Vivien I can't think of our English act
Oh my I love her. She's such a talent and a seemingly wonderful person .
I loved Vivien. She was a true actress of her day and even today.
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Vivien was so loveable.
She's so amazing! Each times that she smiles my heart skips a beat!
Why would reviewer say it's wrong for one nationality to play another? Doesn't he know the definition of acting, which is to pretend to be a character?
Because In some instances it IS wrong.
I'm African and Indian, would u approve of me playing Vivien Leigh in a biopic?
Even if I looked exactly like her I'd bet the farm the public would boycott.
Look at the film DragonSeed, it was ridiculous to cast Katharine Hepburn as an Asian when Anna May Wong was available and more suitable for the role
TrangPak2 You getting nationality, citizenship and race confused.
@@ElizaFroot Right, Scarlett Ohara was white in Georgia and she'd be white in London too 😂.
Most of the old Southern families came from Britain originally. There were similarities with the British aristocracy.
Yeah and he even critiqued her performance in Streetcar because she was British and she won the academy award for that role.
Vivian Leigh was an absolute treasure! Wonderful in her role as Scarlett O'Hara and equally brilliant as Blanche DuBois. She was perfect in Storm in a Teacup and Hamlet. I loved her heart-shaped face, delicate smile, and poised mannerisms. Truly a great actress. She put the boorish Ken and his criticisms in his place without him knowing it!
Wonderful to see a rare interview with Vivien .,
So amazing. Just watched Street Car last night. Very smart lady. Love how she talks about the characters being different between Street Car and GWTW due to one prevails and the other is broken down.
I've been a fan of the elusive Vivien Leigh all my adult life (too young to have seen her on the stage, that leaves her films, only a few of which seem to capture her at her best). So an almost feature-length interview featuring her seemed irresistible. And I've tried several times to watch this, but the repulsive presence of the pompous, self-important, odious little dung beetle Kenneth Tynan has always made me recoil. Without question he had a gift for words - most particularly for barbed remarks that seem cheaper with each passing year - but he has always come off more as a precocious sixth-form bully than a truly professional writer. Vivien Leigh's performance in A Streetcar Named Desire will live as long as people see classic films. Tynan's reviews, some of which are now available in an anthology, were for a long time out of print.
Her performance in Waterloo Bridge was flawless. It’s hard to believe Myra was merely a creature of the imagination and not a real woman
@@marymc4044 She Is Brilliant!♥️
@@janetlieb2507 we all love Vivien, our English rose I can't think of any of our English actresses
More gorgeous looking and terrific acting than her, can anybody else.
@@lawrencesait3432 A Beautiful Rose!💕🌹🌹🌹
God almighty, any questions why she got the part of Scarlet? She's sensational, she doesn't back down to anybody, especially any of these patronizing men.
First time I've ever had the chance to see Vivien Leigh in an in-depth interview. She went through a lot of the usual celebrity-related melodrama in her life--some of it self-inflicted--but she was also tremendously talented and cultured. In spite of the personal upheavals at this point in time, she shows real manners, class and insight here...in the process, making Tynan look pretty much like a pompous jerk. Thanks for posting this, Taylormayes!
I love that the critic and the critiqued were both on the interview! The critic, being called out to justify and not just put in words to paper and hide behind it. We need such shows now! 😌👍🏽
I'm in awe... this is fantastic. I had no idea this existed and I'm going to try to share and get it out there. Wonderful!
She makes smoking so glam
Mark Wilkinson I didn't know cancer and lung problems was so glam.
+Mark Wilkinson That glamours smoking led to her premature death at 54 years of age....so very glam indeed!
+Hillbilly Hoodoo oh ok ok!
+Mark Wilkinson ... but no less deadly.
Smoking didn't help, she died from TB at the age of 53. But, I totally get where Mark Wilkinson is coming from. And he's right.
This is awesome...crazy awesome! It is magical to hear Vivien speak out of the character of Scarlett O'Hara...it is funny because she still has her Scarlett on a bit at certain points...check out 5:30-5:33 when she says, "Sorry Ken...I think they were entirely different." I Love it! Then how she fired back about playing a southern belle. She is freaking Whitty! I Love it! I soooo adore this woman...I tell you I believe I have felt her spirit with me at different points in my life. Thank U4 this!
Lovely comment..
She's so amazing! Each times that she smiles my heart skips a beat!
Oh that Ken Tynan guys irritated me. Streetcar was probably Viv best movie for me. The only thing she stuck out with was her talent and great performance.
I don't know what Tynan's problem was, but he came across here as pathetic and without class. R.I.P. Vivien Leigh, a superb actress.
I totally agree with you with you 🙏💯
Her giggle is adorable when he called her grandma lol
she most def told that guy. Vivien Leigh Love her
Blanche DuBois is the complete opposite of Scarlett O’Hara, Blanche was delusional, Scarlett more than any character in GWTW was always in the moment.
Gone With The Wind is one of my all time favorite movies and I wasn't even close to being born when it was made. Vivian Leigh was amazing in that movie! The whole movie was unlike anything made in my generation. Love Vivian Leigh!
Beautiful Movie!! Just Hearing The Music Makes Mr Cry! Vivien IS Scarlett! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
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What exactly is Kenneth Tynan remembered for? I hate how he talks about 'girls' when referring to women. What a pompous jerk.
"A critic is a legless man who teaches running." - Anonymous
I wrote him off as gay. And jealous of women.
MsBestAdvice Smith I'm gay and I'm not jealous of women. I love women. Just don't want to sleep with them...lol
+MsBestAdvice Smith Irrelevant and tactless comment.
Being posh, bitchy, and troublemaking. Similar to Gore Vidal
I love this interview. Very smart lady indeed.
God I love her, these golden age actresses were so amazing and acting ability threw the roof
A star is someone who shines a special light, in my opinion. You can't put your finger on it. You only know someone "has it" and they stand out. And this lady is such a star! She answers every question brilliantly!
Love her acting philosophy! A genuine artist.
Vivienne Leigh was before my time but seeing her films, especially GWTW, are mainstays in my life. Yes, she beautiful but also extremely talented and that should never forgotten about her.
Well, also, Jude Law and Nicole Kidman (a Englishman & an Australian) played southerners in Cold Mountain. Zhang Ziyi, Gong Li & Michelle Yeoh (two Chinese and one Malaysian) stared in Memoirs of a Geisha. Both those films were hits and nationality of the actors didn't hurt the films receptions by audiences. Film critics like this guy don't have a clue. They just are contrary just for the sake of being contrary. It's their way of justifying their paychecks. Vivian Leigh was a huge part in making Gone With the Wind the success it was.
philip jay rushton But that's exactly the point that Goldwyn, Leigh and myself are making. It doesn't matter. It's an acting venue. The whole premise of acting in fact is to step into roles that aren't your own. Doesn't make a damned what your background if you pull off the role believably. And by the way, during the Civil war, people were residing in the US of many more backgrounds than just the examples you give of celtic and anglo background. In other words, the characters Jude Law and Nicole Kidman were playing in Cold Mountain could have 'just as well' been of German, French or some other 'mixed' background or whatever. The point is, it doesn't matter the background of the actor in regards to the character they play as long as they are talented enough to pull it off successfully. What Ken is trying to say is the same kind of nonsense that arose about Gong Li, Zhang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh in the Memoirs of a Geisha movie. In the end, it didn't matter. They pulled it off and the film was a success. The fact some Japanese people were bothered that Chinese actresses were doing the roles had more to do with Nationalistic attitudes and hangups than anything else. And that's those particular individuals' problem. Just like it's Ken's individual problem about Vivian Leigh playing a southern belle. As Goldwyn, pointed out., it sure didn't seem to bother the overall world wide viewership. Bottom line, critics like Ken tend to read more into things than is required if for nothing else, just to justify his paycheck.
philip jay rushton
Now you're comparing apples with oranges, Thats a sure sign of a desperate attempt at a viable argument. First you brought up the point about "background" such as nationality or language family, ie: Celtic, Anglo. I shot you down on that one so now you're trying to raise a ridiculous comparison based on race? Please! Even Ken didn't go that route, so why should you? Goldwyn's 'never' misinterpreted Ken's comment. Because national terms is exactly what Ken was referencing by the mere fact he 'did' try to explain that there are "background and cultural" differences between Japanese and Chinese (the two being definite nationalities). As for your statement "The ONLY purpose of acting is to portray an authentic rendition of a given character. " That's fools talk!. Because not ALL characters are going to be "authentic" in the fantasy world of movies in both fiction and fact. Even the movies based on fact are never completely authentic in their content. That's the difference between movies and documentaries.
philip jay rushton
Oh stop your pseudo-intellectual
babbling already, lol? They are a perfect analogy. They both are foreign actors portraying American characters just as Vivian Leigh was. And yes, they did a great job and yes, I am a genius, lol.
philip jay rushton
Don't be ignorant. What the hell is your argument anyway, lol, because your just making my point. Yeah, no shit Leroy, she IS Anglo-Celtic which exactly proves my 'original ' point. That it doesn't matter that she isn't American, she was qualified to play the part as well as any other American actress could have. And my example of Jude Law and Nicole Kidman (also Anglo Celtic) supported that. So, you basically reversed your first argument about "Would you like to see Denezel Washington (African American actor) portray Thomas Jefferson (European American) or Bruce Lee (Chinese American)?" bla bla bla bla. Well, 'dumbshit', of course I wouldn't for the very reason you just brought up in your last post, they aren't of the same race. And who the hell ever said I would? You made those ridiculously stupid comparisons, not me. You make no sense. I don't think you really know 'what' your argument is in regards to what I was saying in my first post to be honest. You're like a fuckin' spastic with your train of thought!! Get a clue!
philip jay rushton
Actually I think you missed the point of my original comment as well as the argument that Kenneth was making in the video. Samuel and Kenneth started out talking about Japanese playing a Chinese. Chinese and Japanese, although they are of different nationalities and there are 'some' differences in culture, they are 'both' of the Mongoloid race. So, he never mentioned difference in race. In fact, he made a vague reference to "background and temperament". And it's a pretty good bet that if Kenneth didn't 'know' it was a Japanese playing a Chinese, then chances are, as a white foreigner about as far removed from Japanese and Chinese culture as you get, he himself wouldn't know the difference anyway...much less the average western movie going viewer. And his argument is further weakened because the two nationalities, despite their differences, share a lot culturally as well. And as Vivian Leigh pointed out, what difference does it make anyway if they are great artists as actors? But then, Vivian challenges his analogy by confronting him about her being the only English actress cast in Streetcar named desire, and how that didn't seem tio be a issue. So he responds that he felt she 'did' stick out a "little bit" being that she is English. There again, he picked on nationality differences, not racial background. Yet she still won a second Academy Award for Best Actress. So, my point about Nicole and Jude as being English actors in Cold Mountain, a movie about American characters, is perfectly in keeping in line with the context of the interview. whereas, your attempt to bring examples of African Americans and Chinese into the mix as playing a white character, totally misses Kenneth's argument by a long shot. Racial difference was 'never' the issue in that interview.
A great actress and lady!
It's amazing how fast Vivien Leigh aged. She was still beautiful in this but she looks much older than 40. Same thing with Ava Gardner who started aging rapidly in her mid to late 30's.
I agree. Wasn't trying to put them down or anything - and I'm aware of their histories - but I still stand by the fact that Ava seemed to age overnight. I still think they were beautiful women. Two of the most gorgeous women in Hollywood history.
I think she looks gorgeous! I think sometimes the fashion and hairstyles then in particular were ageing to be honest. Vivien Leigh suffered with Bi Polar and also had tuberculosis several times during her life, this eventually killed her. Her mental health took a real toll on her . She hated having a mental illness which wasn't as understood then as it is now and far more stigmatised in those days. She sometimes resorted to ECT treatment which she absolutely dreaded but it did help her when she was at some of her worst points. Her marriage to Laurence Olivier was also coming to an end, a man she never ever stopped loving, She also smoked heavily too. Taking all that into consideration, she looked bloody amazing!
Vivien Leigh smoked 4 packs of cigarettes a day and had untreated tuberculosis. That is what aged her. She also had shock therapy treatments. She had a difficult life.
Maturing, you mean. Girlishness is not a positive quality. Womanliness is.
The heavy smoking everyone did back then aged them.
I just watched Streetcar last night. She was amazing. Also, Marlon Brando blew me away. I LOVE HER quote..."I don't think men are all that important."
Sadly, Vivian died at age 53 when she got up from bed to go to the bathroom and her lungs filled up with liquid and collapsed in her bedroom and died from suffocation from the liquid entering her lungs caused by Tuberculosis.
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So sad, she should have been in.hospital
Ms. Vivien Leigh makes her case as a true artist, she's super intelligent, has a deep understanding of acting and her role in the parts she plays. The New York Times reporter has a point, what he's talking about is indeed worth discussing, should Japanese actors play Chinese characters? Should Haitians play Jamaicans, should Brits play Americans and vice versa? We should discuss that, but during this interview, Vivien made a very solid case and won all the arguments. God bless her soul!
I just love her! I wish this is how star interviews were now. She just seems so honest and poised. Even with the death stick in her hand.
Tynan is way too full of himself
+Gilda Marlowe
You got that right.
Frankly my dear I don't give a damn
Tynan is an insignificant footnote in film history.
How inapt Ken Tynan is - I wonder how he could make it as a critic. Viv Leigh and Sam Goldwyn are pretty good, especially Viv - what a lovely and smart woman!
This is a piece of genius . Stop listen ......MY GOD WHERE IS THIS TALENT TODAY !
Yes, where is this talent today? Gone with the wind.
+RMPsumma Clever. I like that.
Gotta love how Vivien calls Kenneth Tynan out as he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about
I love how Vivien smiles after answering the oh so smug Ken Tynan