Falklands Conflict In the Air: How Did The British Win? | American Reacts
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When the USA was developing the F-35 they were struggling with the vertical takeoff and called in British engineers who worked on the Harriers to go over and help overcome the problems.
the Vulcan bombers were also used in NATO Cold War exercises over America, where they nuked America twice.
True
I watched that earlier tonight and the cover up I didn’t know about , it was fascinating to hear. Quite a story.
Was it a Vulcan, two Buccaneers and a (new at time) Tornado during a Red Flag training exercise?
@@wainsws57 nah Vulcan apparently
@@wainsws57 ruclips.net/video/-Wx6npt421c/видео.htmlsi=piBwMLa5zh4nqej3
You should check the video about how they organised that long range bombing. It was mind blowing!
The video is only 10 minutes long and is called: Black Buck One. The Vulcan raid on the Falklands. It’s by the RUclips channel The Operations Room.
I believe that had the conflict gone badly for us and British casualties/ fatalities reached a certain level, Maggie was resolved to send a trident missile without a warhead to Buenos Aires and a message the next one will have a warhead. On a brighter note the casualties never approached Maggies trigger point.
Not a Maggie fan but this she was absolutely spot on
@@Sierraomega1991 Me neither but she did have a backbone, the one thing we haven't seen in a P.M. since and certainly not with Starmer and Co.
I was in the RAF at the time and proud to have done my duty. Even if it was in the UK in support of the brave soldiers, sailors and army that took part. Never Forget.
Hi Neal, most of the Pukara ground-attack planes were destroyed on the ground, in a raid by the SAS. Details can be found in "Attack on Pebble Island". Going back to their WW2 roots of destroying the enemy's planes on the ground.
Thanks for that. I'll be checking it out too.
The Belgrano was originally called the SS. Pheonix,
It was one of the only ships to survive the attack at Pearl Harbour .
the thing about the harrier and the sea harrier, something i saw personally as a child while on holiday, was that it wasnt just vertical take off, the pilots learned how to do things in it that you would only expect of helicopters, what i witnessed was training against 2 tornados they were chasing the harrier, the harrier came over the crest of the rock face me and my family were paddling in a stream, and nose down, hovered, slowly rotated to flat, then as the tornadoes passed, popped back up, within seconds the 2 tornadoes dropped all speed and turned back, that holiday was filled with many incidents of low flying harriers zipping about
I used to love seeing the harriers at Family Days and Air Displays, it was incredible!
Vulcan sound is haunting over head,we had one at airport in our city for a show
It is amazing. I was support flight to the RAF flight that passed out before I did. They had a Vulcan pass over and it was a sight to behold.
[Just finished Army basic training a month before]: our understanding was the Argentinian air force said 'no' to invading, their army said 'meh', and their navy shouted 'yes'. After 1 loss (Belgrano) their navy hit in port and wouldn't play any more. Their army (mostly conscripts) were 'meh', but their air force earnt our respect for their commitment and ability to fight.
The Argentine Army DID have conscipts, but a lot of their troops were professionals, marines and special forces. Most of the conscripts had at least a year of training. THey also were fighting from defensive positions, so had no need for advanced infantry skills. THey were protected by huge minefields, supported by artillery, large caliber mortars and heavy machine guns, zeroed in to known grids. The Argentine infantry outnumbered the British by 3-1 on the ground. It was an amazing acheivement by the British fighting man. It is not right to diminish the acheivment.
Prince Andrew (King Charles's brother). flew helicopters in the Falklands war.
Doesn't stop him being a total wanker
the Vulcans howl is spine chilling
Fun fact
The extended fuel nozzle that long pipe you see on planes was considered to be the most important component for the mission to even begin, but since the old original Vulcans fuel nozzle link was rusted and broken the British needed a replacement, but since all of the other Vulcans were either scrap metal by that point or significantly damaged through rust and corrosion the mission was abandoned to be abandoned when I kid you not😂😂😂😂
The exact fuel nozzle was eventually discovered and found in an RAF bunk room being used as an ash tray 😂😂
No disrespect to the British forces, it was a mammoth task in anyone's book, but it was a series of fortunate events that aided them. ARA Veinticinco de Mayo was involved in landing Argentine troops initially but it developed engine trouble and withdrew to sea. The Argentine air force was then limited to attacks from the mainland. The sinking of the ARA General Belgrano, weather conditions and an unwillingness to risk their one ageing, second-hand aircraft carrier involved in the conflict meant the Veinticinco de Mayo played no significant part from then on. Britain's relationship with the weather means it's always on their side; something Argentina should have learned from the Spanish Armada! 😉 You're right - we got lucky, but we seem to have a knack of having an awful lot of luck for a very long time! Britain must be blessed by the only god that matters - Poseidon (with support from Taranis)! Just kidding, there's no such thing as gods - it was achieved by superior firepower, training and good ol' fashioned Big British Bollocks.
"an unwillingness to risk their one ageing, second-hand aircraft carrier involved in the conflict meant the Veinticinco de Mayo played no significant part from then on"
It cuts both ways.
The Aircraft carrier escaped by the skin of it's teeth from a stalking RN sub.
@@kevinshort3943 True. Though the British aircraft carriers were similarly vital and at risk, probably more so as we had no alternative if they were rendered useless. It could have been a whole different story. The proximity to the Falklands cannot be overstated which makes it such an incredible achievement.
Argentina relied on the fact that Britain wouldn't be so foolish to attempt retaking the islands. If Thatcher wasn't trying to prop-up the Tory government which was becoming more rebellious then maybe we wouldn't (or shouldn't) have.
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And if my Grandmother had wheels.......
Both sides had disasters and lucky escapes, but only one was thousands of miles from home.
Because if its effectiveness, the US had their own Harriers. Their effectiveness even brought them to US shores.
Why do you have an Australian 🇦🇺 flag up? Can I suggest a “Royal Navy white ensign” is more appropriate. 👍🏻
I'll have to fix that idk why I put an aussie flag on this video
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🤣 No worries!
The Argentinan air force called the Harrier ' The black death ' and some of their pilots actually turned around when intelligence came through to their radios they were facing the Harrier. The US navy still use them.
i can recommend the book Vulcan 607 - is tells the entire Vulcan story regarding Falklands and their 3000mile journey with like 8 air to air refueling just to get to the battle
There are also a lot more in depth you tubes about the Falklands War.
When the British Harriers were retired the US bought all of them, for their pilots to train on vertical takeoff and landing, whilst the F35 was in final development. Which was a great idea, the technology was past its best , but the feeling of hovering in a fighter jet must have been very strange for a fighter pilot.
One thing didn't mention harriers could stop in midair.. fast charge engine is concerned I see a plane out of them then it disappeared. They went to have a position and then fire acid passed them
Vectoring in forward flight, or VIFFing.
The US operated nearly 400 Harrier 'jump jets' of the 800+ that were built.
HMS Sheffield got hit because the ship did not put it's defence systems on it to protect itself that's a fact a screw up. That screw up cost the lives of it's crew and the ship in the end but it was not made public on the screw up that kept that under wraps for years till it finally came out years later!
Was used to 2-3 Aussie vids a day my man! Hope your not running out😂 but hope you and your girl is doing good bro!
Yea I do struggle finding new australian content. If you know of any please shoot some links my way
@@dreamteamnealif you want you should react to shadow -that's ok. Music video I reckon you would like it ay!. Will send some links for other vids soon man.
The lesson i hope your all learning here is. Yes we are are fading empire yes we are fading away economically and industrially. However. Our fighting spirit and the will to defend our own no matter were they are will never fade! The brittish will never ever be slaves. 💪🇬🇧👍🫡
My dad served on HMS Fearless L10
Would you believe, the BBC told the world that the Argentine bombs were not exploded after being fused for higher drops... The Argentines promptly corrected this mistake and British servicemen started dying in greater numbers... yeah, thanks BBC!
about right, some of the earliest proof that keeping the media out of warzones is essential to actual having a battle plan
Quite a few young Brits lost their lives or had them ruined because of that and as far as I recall, nobody answered for it. The person responsible should've been jailed and charged with treason. Unless the Argentinian Air-force realised on their own of course. They were a reputedly well trained force, so how they could make such a basic mistake is beyond me.
I am 67 yrs old, was at univesity so could not participate. I had two friends that did. They both survived. We had the best Pilots, we couldn't use many. Read Sharyey Ward"s book. The Argentiniens had the bravest pilots. Look you go out on a mission and know you have a 50% chance of survival.They were good and they were brave. One of Sharkey Wards"s Harrier Pilots shot down an Argentinian Canberra. British plane sold to argentina. years ago. He threw up his hands and said "This is murder". He was sent home
The Air battle is only half the story, of course! :)
As a Brit I'm really glad the Argies didn't manage to make their AVRO Lincolns Airworthy, That would have been a bad time in San Carlos Bay!
Learned a few things more about the air war. That I didn't know. Few of my friends just left the army faw weeks before the war.. That was interesting., 👍
Andrew(?) Garcia has made a series of three hour-long, very detailed films about the Falklands Conflict, for ITN. This gives relation of personal experience of troops from both sides.
Also, the memoir of an Argentinian conscript's experience in 'Los Chicos de la Guerra', in English translation.
Argentina was crazy to go to war against UK😊
Well, Galtieri *was* an idiot.
I think the previous government had indicated it would discuse the Falklands, and Thatchers government were telegraphing massive military cuts.
The Junter were having a hard time at home, and thought it would be an easy PR win, as the UK wouldn't bother with the Islands.
But Thatchers government was also having a hard time, so she jumped at the chance.
There was also a plan drawn up for an SAS raid to take out the airfield at Río Grande on the Argentine mainland, but it was scrapped because it was basically a suicide mission.
Also, because 18 SAS operatives already with the fleet down at the Falklands were killed when the helicopter they were in was hit by a bird and crashed into the Atlantic. They had to quickly send some of the SAS who were going to do the RIO Grande raid down to the fleet to replace the 18 killed.
The pychological effect on Argentina cannot be udervalued, all of a sudden Argentina ITSELF was within range of attack ! Something they had no means of preventing or retaliating against.
If the Black Buck raids achieved nothing else, they had the Argie Junta crapping their pants that a Vulcan could appear over BA or anywhere else in Argentina at anytime.
Bokhara aircraft 'counter-insurgency' - that means bombing and strafing demonstrators, I presume.
ahve you watched to one with jeromy clarkson about the victoria medal
The British has never had overwhelming numbers. At it's peak the national army was about 100k. There were private armies like in India almost as big as that, but they were financed by private enterprise.
The key to British success was technology and strategic thinking combined with tactical superiority when necessary. The golden rule was don't go picking fights, there's always one starting that needs dealing with anyway... Only a fool starts wars they don't have to fight, and only the king to the kingdom of fools seeks conflict where there is none.
It's not the ever quoted colonisation but the primary goal was trade. Colonialism wasn't really a priority, most territory was gained consequentially by victorious military confrontation, often defensive or protective in nature in aid of vested interests, not confrontation for territory. Veered off track there...
My point is it's not the biggest that always wins, and winning comes in many forms. Objectives are important as a measure of success. It's not always about territory, often territory can be an unexpected addition to the primary objective.
sharky ward one of the best harrier pilots ever .
I thank God Australia, NZ, Uk, Canada, USA, Japan, and most of Europe is on the same side
the Argentine forces actually kept missing their targets for so long, either too low or too late when they dropped their ordinance... until... the BBC (of which the Argentine Prime Minister was a big fan of), dropped the ball and announced WHY the Argentine bombers were failing and suffering so many losses...
it was the BBC who broadcasted that the reason they had not scored a hit was because of those very reasons.... as soon as this was seen, the bombers started hitting their mark every time... resulting in the sinking of British ships.
another thing was an old friend of mine who served during that time found a small Argentine forward camp, which looked like it was abandoned in a rush.... whereby he and his unit found US made Stinger shoulder launch missile systems... which were supplied to the Argentine forces... those very weapon systems were not even offered to British forces during that time until after the conflict was over.
when a US officer had given a talk with British Army troops explaining what they were
and when he introduced himself he said "I bet you lads haven't seen anything like this before"
to which my mate replied "actually, I have, and I took down an Argie Baccarri with it"
he didn't believe him and asked him to demonstrate how to operate the demonstration unit he had...
of which he went through every step and repeated what he did... the officer and my mate's CO asked him to stay after the briefing and explain where and how he knew that....
turned out the weapons were sold to the Argentine forces despite a UK/US alliance but officially the US officer couldn't confirm, and stated he would investigate it... everyone knew that was basically him saying the US screwed the pooch on that one and got caught but didn't wanna admit any wrongdoing
you should check out the incident where the Royal Airforce nuked the US twice (was during a cold war wargames demonstration, where Royal Airforce Vulcan Bombers were used), this was to test the US new air detection and interception defence system that was being tested and the RAF beat it twice
ruclips.net/video/-Wx6npt421c/видео.html
As usual the CIA were up to their neck meddling in other countries affairs at that time so they were fully supportive of the ruling military junta of the day. As long as they were against the USSR, pretty much anything was fine and they were happy to turn a blind eye on all the 'disappearances' of young students in Argentina.
“Does anyone know how to fly a helicopter?” SAS talking to SAS. They flew it.
In fairness at the time the lack of Yank support was a wee bit annoying, but your secretary of state (was it James Baker or someone at the time? dunno) warned Argentina they were facing a World power and would lose. So, Yay for doing the base minimum Yanks, I suppose. Brits: "Fine, we'll do it ourselves". 😉
The SoS was Jean Kirkpatrick, from memory. She was very pro-argie & Regan had to yank on her chain to keep her in line.
What do you expect from the country that came up with War plan red?
The Falklands have just discovered oil … and have a new government… so this is likely to kick off again.
They were lucky but also good.
Watch 'Falklands most daring raid' around 45min long, all about the raid on Stanley great documentary.
The Vulcans were the aircraft the nuked the usa twice in war games.
look for the book TASK FORCE it is a great read about the war and how the british took them on they paid a high price on lives of the royal navy and ships lost but it showed the world how not to mess with the royal navy
Cheers Neal.
They should’ve just re-engineered the Harrier instead of making the overly complex and expensive F35.
I think if it was up to me (me being a world renowned aeronautics engineer) I’d have a tripod system instead of quad like the Harrier, with one large exhaust at the rear, and definitely more naturally stable than the ridiculous biped system the F35 has.
And Id site the exhausts above the wing level to give the plane more natural balancing, and when the front twin exhausts point rearward, they’ll increase airflow over the wing, creating more lift.
The country defending will always fight harder, the Argentina's were let down by their government.
The defense of Government House by the Royal Marines is a classic example of this.
You go for the British in the air you won’t win against all odds Britain win Battle of Britain and falklands
Nothing beats experience.
' American reacts to operation Black buck ' is good. Thats some going refueling that Vulcan. Really. As a one off operation !
Britain were lucky in war so many times!?
Should never have got rid of the Vulcan Bomber fleet could have been upgraded to make it last into the 21st century.
I think the airframes were running out of airtime.
Also, British aircraft of that era weren't exactly produced to a consistent pattern. Nimrod was cancelled over the costs caused by each aircraft effectively being bespoke......
Just so you know the only country now still flying the Harrier are the US Marines 🫡 our loss your gain brother
How they won ,Was a combination of Training Training. Balls of Steel and American Technology in the Air to Air missile sold to Britain. The Americans wanted to see how it performed the British showed how good it was .
the harrier was British designed and built.?...what tech are you talking about??...also the Vulcan was British as well
@@222inverter He's referring to the very latest version of the sidewinder AIM9-M (IIRC) missile. The RN & RAF had had a few by then, but it had not been tested in actual combat conditions. The US wanted to see just how good the new versions really were.
The sidewinders were taken from "Nato" stocks ........
Got to hand it to the R.N and army as it was a close run race winning that campaign and should’ve been a wake up that 2 carriers were inadequate for the empire, the Harrier shone but 2 Carriers still aren’t enough to maintain the sea dominance of R.N’s yester year..
"but 2 Carriers still aren’t enough to maintain the sea dominance of R.N’s yester year.."
That would need 20+.
I think at one point it was law that the RN was at least as powerful as the next 2 biggest navies combined.
@@kevinshort3943 it declined after the not travelling “east of the suez” policy , and has never regained the former prestige and never will.
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Declined well before then.
@@kevinshort3943 well, long term damage after ww2 and sacrifices had to be made.
The UK was loosing the war and the air battle. Then the USA threatened Argentina and General Menéndez surrender. The UK by itself was only capable to be defeated.