Awesome Daniel! Yeah upgrade those wires! I ended up using. 6GA wires for all my harnesses and 8MM bullets for the connectors! Everything else would be at the limit! Keep it up and stay safe!
I feel that we are almost there, though. I enjoy 10-15 minute flight times on my "Sunny Motor" DIY electric paramotor. It only cost $1200/1500 with batteries and if I was willing to spend $2000 total on it, I am sure that 30+ minutes flight times would be easily achieved.
Yep i get 30mins flight time easy ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html the small trade of in flight time is worth the significant weight reduction.
We are almost there. Carbon batteries should make a big difference on weight and energy density in the next few years. SRMs are also much lighter than BLDC motors and arguably more efficient depending on your controller.
Fun/dangerous project. I designed, built and fly my own RC parts paramotor. I recommend that you double check your figures to make sure that your batteries, wire gauges, connectors etc are all up to the huge amperage requirements. You really need a smooth hoop around the props with nothing sticking up to catch lines. You should not even have a zip tie sticking up. On mine, I slit some polyethylene pipe lengthwise and placed it over my hoop to cover the zip ties.
Paramotor pilot here! You need a round cage with no grabbing points. That's a must for getting those risers to come up nicely! I'm posting this into our community lol. Edit: I highly suggest that you work with the paramotoring community to make this work and do it safely. There are more flaws than what I first pointed out and you do need training because there is a ton wrong with technique here. I suggest checking out the scout paramotor channel design videos. Well wishes if you continue!
"There are more flaws than what I first pointed out" This pos IS NOTHING but FLAWS! It's like it was designed by a mental defective or a little child! I wonder if he even knows what a "hang point" is!
It's very interesting to see the trials and tribulations. Thank you VERY MUCH for not cutting your issues out of the video. Too many people only show the perfect situations and don't show all the steps that lead up to their success. They're just trying to show off instead of actually showing progress. APPRECIATED!
Alishanmao did this with one big motor. There are also similar electric paramotors at the light aircraft show in Germany this year. All single prop, single motor. They also spaced the prop back away from the motor to the rear. Not sure why, but that's the trend. I'm a PPG pilot here in Utah.
As a paragliding pilot of 35 years, my advice is don’t give up, you’ll make it if you try hard enough. If you try hard enough you cannot possibly fail! You have the best early type of inspiration I’ve seen yet, go for it.
Electric is the future of paramotoring! We need something refined like a DJI drone with a easily charged and swappable battery! Hope to build one myself someday if not available. Fun project to watch but a round cage would be much better! Have you flown gas motors before?
Glad to see you still making content for your channel. You are brave, not only for putting your experiments on your back, but for sharing the process with everyone. Most people would only show the finished product.
This was one of your most genuine, funny videos! I hope it continues with more success. You and Samm Sheperd should work together at some point, his design was cool.
I can’t believe how much you’ve accomplished in your young life. I recall the first video that I saw from your channel; You flew a homemade plane out of your bedroom window, FPV style. You’re an amazing young man, with an amazing future ahead of you. Way to go!!
Finally, someone who has gotten away from conventional single engine rationale! Nice job. How did you figure out how many and how large of motors to use? Do you know how much thrust you are getting from each motor? Again, it is a pleasure seeing someone thinking outside of the ‘traditional’ methods.
Yeh, you're going to want to use screw-down patch connectors. Solder's just not doing to hold up to the heat. I really like this kind of innovative thinking. Was awesome to see an electric paramotor taking flight. Congrats, and thanks for the video.
Yes! Keep going! Super fun to see you paraglide too, and pushing things with electric. I’d look at a higher voltage, lower current 18650 battery based system. Look at what’s available with E-Bikes for batteries- they’re pushing us heavy humans around for many dozens of miles with a couple hundred dollars 0.5 - 1 kWh packs.
18650s are much heavier than LiPos (thanks to the metal casing) and much less compact (packing cylinders rather than cuboids). Not what you want for an aircraft at all.
nice man !! I dont even understand why someone would dislike this because its learning as well as innovation and this kids so smart .. I love hearing him think so i can then think in terms of solutions and making things better and work instead of just hating lie humanity does ... negativity and pessimism has taken ppl over turning em into sad sad ppl . go play ppl !!
Mate you cannot give up on this. You have massive support from Peter, Flighttest, electricbike, rinoa, cody, dutchrc, rc pi and the legions of fans.. Keep at it mate, it will be worth it in the end. Id go a round frame. Maybe send a PM to Tucker Gott
Don't give up on this. Electric Paramotor is the future. Way more reliable, quieter, less maintenance overall making the sport safer. We just need the battery prices come down and storage capacity to go up. I would take Robert Durbin's advice to be safe.
Looking great. Upgrade those wires to at least the same gauge as the main leads coming out of the battery keep all wires as short as reasonable and with as few connectors as possible. This is a perfect case for electric as the load is light and the power requirement can be somewhat intermittent. Please don't give up you're on the verge of something awesome!
7:17 "so I was just pulling so much POWEEEEEERRR" What's the thrust of the 12x drone motors compared to the original paramotor setup????? Pleeeeease don't give up this project, we will LOVE watch you + I'm absolutely sure you'll have so much fun and love that too hahaaa ohhh yeaaahhh
I really think you need to revisit this one. Paramotoring is freakin incredible, and you obviously possess both the necessary skills as well as resources to actually make some advancement with electric paramotors, which we need to finally make them become a real thing! And sooner rather than later would be good as well!!!
As others have said, go up on wore sizes, etc, and also keep the wire harness short, so that you don't get ripple current issues. Ripple current can destroy ESC's, motors, and rob power. you can do these 3 things to fix it: 1 keep harnesses short 2 use LOW ESR CAPS near ESC's 3 use larger than necessary wire size.
My God, you've come so very far and you're fearless, Thanks for the videos. I hope you end up wherever you wish! You are lucky that they aren't molded into you back, permanently!
great video! try a round cage with no grabbing points and also pull the A's more to take the paraglider off the ground on takeoff, everything will be easier. looking forward to the next video!
You're well on the right track. In my opinion, all you need to do is practice dozens and dozens of forward launches with the paramotor off first until you can do them in your sleep :)
David, why do you think that? ruclips.net/video/3tbF83QRtgI/видео.html Electric motors are far more reliable and lighter than gas engines and they do the same thing. If a motor stops, you just glide to the ground. No more 'stupid' than wearing a gas engine. The only advantage of a gas motor at the moment is they can use the higher energy density of gasoline, even if they are only 30% efficient. Electric motors are about 90% efficient, cost much less, last longer and need almost zero maintenance and batteries can be charged anywhere, even by solar panels.
Andy Lee Robinson Tucker flies a scout paramotor that is manufactured , tested , licensed! Top of the line reliable equipment.... Then this guy builds an electric paramotor.. nothing wrong with that.. except this guy apparently knows nothing about paramotors. His frame joints are snag points for his lines.. the concept is great , This guy in s trying to re invent the wheel, when the wheel run fine already.. I just don't think you'd ever get Tucker to fly this contraption, when. He takes so much care in his scout to be safe.. not flying when it's to windy.. First thing this guy needs is training!! With a good gas paramotor..
I agree, the only issues I see with this are the snag points which are only relevant when getting the wing up, and the hopelessly underrated cabling. All easily fixed. Other than that, if it pushes, it'll work. If not, then it'll glide. Still, check out the link I posted for a better design, rather than Daniel's bolt-on see-if-this-drone-will-work thing!
For your wiring problem, just use 10 awg wire the entire way thru. That will definitely help with voltage and current flow. You cant be splitting your wires into that thin wire like that. Hope this helps! Mad props bro! Soo sick
Hey dude been following your stuff for quite a while now, came from RC too! Don't give up the dream! I want to build one myself as I just do freeflight at the moment and want to do power but not internal combustion. However, please do it properly, get a decent wing and groundhandle it as much as you can. Also don't know how much bench testing you did but might be worth doing some more before going out in the field and try it and finding out you'll pulling too much current or something like that. I'll defo be trying this mysel. Keep it up!
I look forward to electric paramotor flight and best wishes on your testing...but I highly recommend training before flying. It all seems easy until something challenges your flying skills. A suggestion might be to use an existing light frame such as a Miniplane and see if you can adapt your setup (this is what I fly). Take care up there!
I'd love to see you try again with all four batteries and beefier wires and connectors. You got your feet off the ground and didn't die, which is better than they could do for decades
This was both incredibly brilliant & insanely dangerous. I’ve never paramotored but I’ve seen enough to know how difficult it is, it’s really impressive you even got up in the air! But I can’t believe you actually tried to wire up 12 high current motors with 2 measly battery connectors lol. You always should add up the max current of each motor and wire appropriately. This video is 2 years old so hopefully you’ve learned to respect current :)
Besides upgrading your wiring, make a fire proof case, separate compartments for individual batteries, better still a quick release to jettison them in emergency. If your LiPo's caught fire it could be fatal, it takes a while to descend! I have just made several DIY fireproof lipo cases similar to bat-safe dot com but mine use ammo box lined with ceramic fibre & on the lid I drilled some holes, wrapped rockwool in wire mesh to filter the flames and keep the soot inside. For paramotor application you could use thinner steel to keep light. If the batteries go on fire in a box the heat, gas & smoke must escape but you could direct it somewhere with perhaps pipe fittings etc (rearwards!). Bravo for your project but please take more care, make it perfectly safe before you continue!!
Im curious about how many watt-hours it takes for flying. just for comparison my electric bicycle takes 12 watt-hours per mile at 12mph, and like double that at 20mph. if your machine doesnt use many watt-hours to go a mile, your 1kwh battery could last quite a bit.
Rinoa Super-Genius this electric paramotors are so power hungry. 1kw hour may last you 15 mins at cruise and a lot more at take off. It consume a lot more than your ebike
Yeah i figured that, but i didnt want to make assumptions. still i think its more promising than petrol powered ones since you could expand the battery and even get more efficient chemical to electrical conversion if you keep it under 1c draw. plus who knows what technologies like sodium-ion cells will be available in the future.
You need at least 1kw just to counter the 200 fpm min sink rate just to keep floating. It is for 100kg take off weight and ideal 100% efficient props and electrics. If you want to be able to climb at 200 fpm and the total efficiency of the system is 50%, which is more realistic, then you'll need at least 4kw of power. So, yeah, 1kwh will give you roughly one quoter of an hour of flight time.
Although it would make a great video, please put a decent firewall between you and them cells (incase of fire) and use a round (hoolahoop) cage so your not catching them risers! Feet were off the ground though, so it's a win!
Mate you can't give up now!! :-) just up the gauge on the wiring or bus bar it for power distribution and definitely get an efficient wing !! :-) your onto something big here mate, cheers
For high current wire connections it's best to both crimp and solder, and make sure you strip the maximum length of wire so you fully penetrate each connector.
Don't scrap it man! Keep goin! You got this far! I also want to see more! It's funny, I have the same color Mescal 4, and I'm just itching to build my own electric multi-rotor motor as well. Just keep it safe, fix the obvious, and be smart. Regardless, don't scrap it! Keep going!
Pick a day with a little bit of Breeze and do a reverse launch instead of a forward and you won't have to worry about lines getting snagged on that cage.
It's GREAT that you reduced the voltage loss by using a heavier gauge. How much more power did you realize? Would you be able to make the prop basket round smoother? A faster wing will also help. I have a large Poison 3. It's touchy but its a rocketship. Such a great idea. Fly high and far.
Power Wires.......... The larger the better... Calculate max draw of 1 motor/prop. Multiply by 12... Use a wire gauge that can handle at least 50% more total current.
Yeah, old wings suck. Please don’t abandon this project. You are miles ahead of others that would like to get off ground w electric power and you are learning a lot as you go along. I would very much like to see a thrust test when you have a chance to get around to it. After that I want to know how long you can run that system at full power once you have the wiring straight. Cheers!
Those lipos are convenient, as they come in nice square packs, and are ready to plug up. But they can be super dangerous, as I'm sure you know. You definitely don't want an in-flight fire. You could build a super durable pack, with more legs, using 21700 cells. Or even 18650s. Just a thought. Nice job on the paramotor, BTW.
For gods sake... beautiful carbon frame, elegant design, clean electronics.... BUT WHY THE ELASTIC ON THE TRIGGER? Please get yourself a proper spring =')
Just think what he could do if he actually knew what he was doing. You don't make those kind of engineering mistakes, if you know what your doing... I would feel responsible for those that would try this after seeing this video... How much better is good enough? This is the difference between a test pilot, and a test dummy... lol
that's something I don't get about YT 'makers' with 'amazing' this that and the other. It makes no sense to do no background reading before attempting to re-invent wheel, and it's total lunacy when serious injury or death may result. Don't get me started on Tucker 'dingbat' Gott FFS
Very fortunate the Lipo didn't go and send a 5ft torch through your spine. Might want to put a fire wall between you and the batteries (and probably put them in a box). It should be very possible to make it safer. Maybe make a rounded cage around the drone props so nothing gets tangled or damaged on bad take offs. Very cool. And love the rc rocket. Subscribed!
Hay great vid dude!! showing the first attempts where you fumbling , shows character :-) Might i make an suggestion with your esc / power cables. I fly myself EDF's and a rule is that you keep the DC cables (between Lipo and ESC as short as possible. so mount the ESC's in the center of the frame, and put the 3 AC cables to the engine through the Tubing to the motors. It prevents boiling the resistors and makes it more easy to tuck away the cabling... But great attempt i'll keep my eye out for the next version :-) regards Nico
1: your cage shape keep the lines from getting up 2: you dont know how to controle a Praglider , your 'Old' wing seems to be a 'preformance' wing so dont pull on the break toggles at all(not 2 inches) and symetrycally and she will go up kite without the motor at first 3 : use big wire and all the batterie , and stay low in case of fire
Love the idea of a multi motor setup. I’ve often thought of doing something myself like this. Maybe you could wire your motors / batteries in groups so if you have a failure you would only loose a part of the capacity and not overload the remaining batteries. Say you had 4 batteries, and 12 motors, wire 3 motors to each battery. Looks great, I think your pretty close to a very nice system. Love the videos!
Don't scrap the project, use a higher gauge wire, run four 10awg for each set of 3 motors, and then stay at the 10awg down to your batterys, I would use 10 of those batterys to get the amparge alittle lower and Compacity up. On the other hand i would definalty build this to fly
You might like to test it on the ground at full power, until your batteries are flat, to make sure that the system can handle the load, plus you then know how long you have. Also I suggest make the edges of your frame so that lines cannot get caught. One way to do this, is to cut a bit of alkathene pipe long wise, then slip over the frame.
Great Job!! This said I think this set up would be more appropriate to power a descent as opposed to power you up from the ground, you will save battery life. Just a thought.
I built a paramotor with a dle 111 engine and a 28 inch prop. The engine I believe only weighs like 7 pounds and puts out like 11 hp. The whole unit weighs like 30 pounds and has plenty of thrust to get me in the air.
That rig should be putting out around 45-50kgs of trust and pulling close to 500amps at full throttle. Since the EC5 connectors are only rated to 120 amps its no surprise that happened. Good luck with the next attempt!
I would like to build an electric para motor and am pleased with your success. The thing I wonder about is the diameter of a single propeller in comparison to your 6 prop array. I think that the wider diameter could cause problems with snagging lines.
Daniel! I made a setup that uses one massive 190 kv motor and a 32 inch props. If you want to try to make one yourself I'd be happy to send a motor over and all you'd need from there is a ESC and prop! I run 6s and a 120 amp ESC but I'm sure you can get away with a 24-26 inch prop on 8s! with an 80amp ESC
Get a nice paramotor wing that you can also free fly with so it's multipurpose. Then try again with your electric paramotor. We need guys experimenting like this. Although personally I'd prefer a gas 2 stroke motor
I think you should build a frame from aluminum that is going to protect your motors, because the carbon might break if you fall backwards on the props. Also put some netting over the blades to protect the cords when you take off, last thing you need is a cut cord when you’re up in the air. Great work!
I had this exact issue with this wing - bought the same style wing on ebay just to practice kiting. It was nearly impossible to keep in the air no matter the amount of headwind
Please make sure you use a wing that doesn't stall on you. Also looks like in the current setup, it is difficult to apply 0% brakes. Paramotor starts, just like winch starts, are tricky at low speeds. The Skywalk glider was probably a good choice because the manufacturer claims that they are "impossible" (= hard) to stall.
Great stuff, but you need to think about crimping the lugs and get rid of solder. little heat can melt the solder every time. Good luck and tks for the vid.
Nice job! I'm wondering if you should rethink the use of any hoop at all. Or the use of a single large hoop. There is no reason you couldn't have all 6 motor modules on the ends of a long horizontal pole--outside the reach of any line or your hands (a safer option?). A side benefit would be you could use differential thrust to yaw (I'm not a ppg pilot so I could be completely wrong). One downside would be higher roll moment. Longer battery/esc wires would increase losses.
Awesome Daniel!
Yeah upgrade those wires! I ended up using. 6GA wires for all my harnesses and 8MM bullets for the connectors! Everything else would be at the limit! Keep it up and stay safe!
PeterSripol dude, you are a hero! And Daniel too of course
Can share your speed control? Interesting...
DAddy
PeterSripol all my favorite RUclipsrs in one place.. Awesome!
would love a collab between you guys
“I’ve never flown a paramotor before, so a prototype is a great way to learn, I’m just gonna run into the freeway.” I love this channel
mango hahaha
Best way to actually learn anything
that could easily have been dangerous... I mean tape and landing with the wind like that. What makes the most sence for batteries polymer or ions?
Terrifying but awesome! Electric is the future of the sport, batteries just aren’t quite there to enjoy reasonable flight times. Stay safe!
I feel that we are almost there, though. I enjoy 10-15 minute flight times on my "Sunny Motor" DIY electric paramotor. It only cost $1200/1500 with batteries and if I was willing to spend $2000 total on it, I am sure that 30+ minutes flight times would be easily achieved.
10-15 minutes gets you off the ground but not any altitude to enjoy a true flight experience. Have you seen Ali's rig? Awesome.
*Dance the Skies*
Yep i get 30mins flight time easy ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html the small trade of in flight time is worth the significant weight reduction.
We are almost there. Carbon batteries should make a big difference on weight and energy density in the next few years. SRMs are also much lighter than BLDC motors and arguably more efficient depending on your controller.
Who wrote this Bixler ?
Fun/dangerous project. I designed, built and fly my own RC parts paramotor. I recommend that you double check your figures to make sure that your batteries, wire gauges, connectors etc are all up to the huge amperage requirements. You really need a smooth hoop around the props with nothing sticking up to catch lines. You should not even have a zip tie sticking up. On mine, I slit some polyethylene pipe lengthwise and placed it over my hoop to cover the zip ties.
Paramotor pilot here! You need a round cage with no grabbing points. That's a must for getting those risers to come up nicely! I'm posting this into our community lol.
Edit: I highly suggest that you work with the paramotoring community to make this work and do it safely. There are more flaws than what I first pointed out and you do need training because there is a ton wrong with technique here. I suggest checking out the scout paramotor channel design videos. Well wishes if you continue!
Something like this :) ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html
"There are more flaws than what I first pointed out" This pos IS NOTHING but FLAWS! It's like it was designed by a mental defective or a little child! I wonder if he even knows what a "hang point" is!
Cool a couple of para pro's - this guy is just having fun LOL
Robert Durbin ground work also
I think youtuber Tucker Gott might be a great person to contact in this case. :)
It's very interesting to see the trials and tribulations. Thank you VERY MUCH for not cutting your issues out of the video. Too many people only show the perfect situations and don't show all the steps that lead up to their success. They're just trying to show off instead of actually showing progress. APPRECIATED!
Alishanmao did this with one big motor. There are also similar electric paramotors at the light aircraft show in Germany this year. All single prop, single motor. They also spaced the prop back away from the motor to the rear. Not sure why, but that's the trend. I'm a PPG pilot here in Utah.
As a paragliding pilot of 35 years, my advice is don’t give up, you’ll make it if you try hard enough. If you try hard enough you cannot possibly fail! You have the best early type of inspiration I’ve seen yet, go for it.
great job! a round cage helps a lot in getting the wing up.
1 vote for keep going. Try and make it as efficient as possible
Oh man, its there, just power issue, this is going to work , don't scrap this.
Electric is the future of paramotoring! We need something refined like a DJI drone with a easily charged and swappable battery! Hope to build one myself someday if not available. Fun project to watch but a round cage would be much better! Have you flown gas motors before?
Someone lend this man a wing...
I hope to see you fly again with all batteries and new power cables
Glad to see you still making content for your channel. You are brave, not only for putting your experiments on your back, but for sharing the process with everyone. Most people would only show the finished product.
So much for the quiet serenity of gliding in the air.
This was one of your most genuine, funny videos! I hope it continues with more success. You and Samm Sheperd should work together at some point, his design was cool.
I can’t believe how much you’ve accomplished in your young life.
I recall the first video that I saw from your channel; You flew a homemade plane out of your bedroom window, FPV style.
You’re an amazing young man, with an amazing future ahead of you. Way to go!!
Safety - 10 outof 10! XD
In every single detail or action. Safety just everywhere!
Finally, someone who has gotten away from conventional single engine rationale! Nice job. How did you figure out how many and how large of motors to use? Do you know how much thrust you are getting from each motor? Again, it is a pleasure seeing someone thinking outside of the ‘traditional’ methods.
I actually clapped my hands when you took off for the first time!
Thanks for showing what goes wrong as well as what works it helps other from making the same error.
You never quit. Stay with it.
an idiot never quits. sometimes quitting or regrouping is the best plan
Awesome vid! Nothing quite like testing a prototype out by flying in it. I can't wait to see when you get this mastered.
Yeh, you're going to want to use screw-down patch connectors. Solder's just not doing to hold up to the heat. I really like this kind of innovative thinking. Was awesome to see an electric paramotor taking flight. Congrats, and thanks for the video.
This channel will never cease to amaze me
Karma is bad...only bad.
Daniel, I’ve been watching you for years. You are a genius, and have balls as big as church bells.
Yes! Keep going! Super fun to see you paraglide too, and pushing things with electric. I’d look at a higher voltage, lower current 18650 battery based system. Look at what’s available with E-Bikes for batteries- they’re pushing us heavy humans around for many dozens of miles with a couple hundred dollars 0.5 - 1 kWh packs.
18650s are much heavier than LiPos (thanks to the metal casing) and much less compact (packing cylinders rather than cuboids).
Not what you want for an aircraft at all.
When you fell backwards during testing, didn't it smash the props or damage the motors?
what if the battery/ESC catches fire in the air? any quick release for them to drop off
Probably blow away. But the battery is littium an HARD to put out
Paragliders require to have a second shute where i'm from, can always use that if you're worried about fires.
modern batteries don't just catch fire when abused. they can go pop. big pop
nice man !! I dont even understand why someone would dislike this because its learning as well as innovation and this kids so smart .. I love hearing him think so i can then think in terms of solutions and making things better and work instead of just hating lie humanity does ... negativity and pessimism has taken ppl over turning em into sad sad ppl . go play ppl !!
Mate you cannot give up on this. You have massive support from Peter, Flighttest, electricbike, rinoa, cody, dutchrc, rc pi and the legions of fans.. Keep at it mate, it will be worth it in the end. Id go a round frame. Maybe send a PM to Tucker Gott
skylinevspec000 something like this ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html
Keep going please! Started paragliding myself, would love to DIY a paramotor =)
Don't give up on this. Electric Paramotor is the future. Way more reliable, quieter, less maintenance overall making the sport safer. We just need the battery prices come down and storage capacity to go up. I would take Robert Durbin's advice to be safe.
Awesome idea! Once the frame is reconfigured it will be great to see the progress!
Looking great. Upgrade those wires to at least the same gauge as the main leads coming out of the battery keep all wires as short as reasonable and with as few connectors as possible. This is a perfect case for electric as the load is light and the power requirement can be somewhat intermittent. Please don't give up you're on the verge of something awesome!
You and your crazy projects always blows my mind..you're talented, man..
7:17 "so I was just pulling so much POWEEEEEERRR"
What's the thrust of the 12x drone motors compared to the original paramotor setup?????
Pleeeeease don't give up this project, we will LOVE watch you + I'm absolutely sure you'll have so much fun and love that too hahaaa ohhh yeaaahhh
ElectricBike ooohhhhhh Yeeeh Maaaan, heee caaaant stooppp nowwwwwww!!!! :-) love your work mate lol cheers
There WAS no original paramotor setup. He had a paraGLIDER, and he used the frame and motors from a hexacopter to MAKE a motorized paraglider.
Dont Give up! everybody here wants to see it into fruition. We need an alternative to gas motor
I really think you need to revisit this one. Paramotoring is freakin incredible, and you obviously possess both the necessary skills as well as resources to actually make some advancement with electric paramotors, which we need to finally make them become a real thing! And sooner rather than later would be good as well!!!
I think you have just created a new way of doing paramotor business!
As others have said, go up on wore sizes, etc, and also keep the wire harness short, so that you don't get ripple current issues. Ripple current can destroy ESC's, motors, and rob power. you can do these 3 things to fix it:
1 keep harnesses short
2 use LOW ESR CAPS near ESC's
3 use larger than necessary wire size.
This is so bad ass. Cant wait for the day electric paramotors are efficient enough for long flights.
My God, you've come so very far and you're fearless, Thanks for the videos. I hope you end up wherever you wish! You are lucky that they aren't molded into you back, permanently!
great video! try a round cage with no grabbing points and also pull the A's more to take the paraglider off the ground on takeoff, everything will be easier. looking forward to the next video!
Vitor Nuevo ya something like this ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html
Crazy jealous! Keep it up! Your 90% there. Spend the money and get a good wing. Way to close to success to call it quits now.
the first 90% is as easy as the last 10% is hard
You're well on the right track. In my opinion, all you need to do is practice dozens and dozens of forward launches with the paramotor off first until you can do them in your sleep :)
Tucker Gott has got to see this...
I'm sure he'd also like to try it out too!
Andy Lee Robinson He probably has too much respect for human life (His own) to be messing with home made aircraft.
Andy Lee Robinson Tucker's not that stupid
David, why do you think that?
ruclips.net/video/3tbF83QRtgI/видео.html
Electric motors are far more reliable and lighter than gas engines and they do the same thing.
If a motor stops, you just glide to the ground. No more 'stupid' than wearing a gas engine.
The only advantage of a gas motor at the moment is they can use the higher energy density of gasoline, even if they are only 30% efficient.
Electric motors are about 90% efficient, cost much less, last longer and need almost zero maintenance and batteries can be charged anywhere, even by solar panels.
Andy Lee Robinson Tucker flies a scout paramotor that is manufactured , tested , licensed! Top of the line reliable equipment....
Then this guy builds an electric paramotor.. nothing wrong with that.. except this guy apparently knows nothing about paramotors.
His frame joints are snag points for his lines.. the concept is great ,
This guy in s trying to re invent the wheel, when the wheel run fine already.. I just don't think you'd ever get Tucker to fly this contraption, when. He takes so much care in his scout to be safe.. not flying when it's to windy..
First thing this guy needs is training!! With a good gas paramotor..
I agree, the only issues I see with this are the snag points which are only relevant when getting the wing up, and the hopelessly underrated cabling. All easily fixed. Other than that, if it pushes, it'll work. If not, then it'll glide.
Still, check out the link I posted for a better design, rather than Daniel's bolt-on see-if-this-drone-will-work thing!
Huge props for being an adventurer.
Dude I can watch your videos all day thank you very much
Flite Test NEEDS you Daniel!
TheAdkFlyer10 I agree
Daniel has been on flitetest before
WAR EAGLES!!!
Brian Young VP16! Go Navy! ;-)
Yes sir, current command haha :)
I am following in your footsteps my good sir! you read my mind at each turn
Maybe find someone who actually knows what they're doing first ok 👍
For your wiring problem, just use 10 awg wire the entire way thru. That will definitely help with voltage and current flow. You cant be splitting your wires into that thin wire like that. Hope this helps! Mad props bro! Soo sick
Hey dude been following your stuff for quite a while now, came from RC too! Don't give up the dream! I want to build one myself as I just do freeflight at the moment and want to do power but not internal combustion. However, please do it properly, get a decent wing and groundhandle it as much as you can. Also don't know how much bench testing you did but might be worth doing some more before going out in the field and try it and finding out you'll pulling too much current or something like that. I'll defo be trying this mysel. Keep it up!
YOU, Sir, are a HERO!
Wow, all the nerds are here in the comment zone, awesome. Daniel, you got a new subber. Love innovators.
驚くばかり！
トルクなし、クラッチなし！
それは素晴らしいです！
"rctestflight", you are a champion. Good work man.
Well done! Electric paramotors are the future!
I look forward to electric paramotor flight and best wishes on your testing...but I highly recommend training before flying. It all seems easy until something challenges your flying skills. A suggestion might be to use an existing light frame such as a Miniplane and see if you can adapt your setup (this is what I fly). Take care up there!
I'd love to see you try again with all four batteries and beefier wires and connectors. You got your feet off the ground and didn't die, which is better than they could do for decades
This was both incredibly brilliant & insanely dangerous. I’ve never paramotored but I’ve seen enough to know how difficult it is, it’s really impressive you even got up in the air! But I can’t believe you actually tried to wire up 12 high current motors with 2 measly battery connectors lol. You always should add up the max current of each motor and wire appropriately.
This video is 2 years old so hopefully you’ve learned to respect current :)
Besides upgrading your wiring, make a fire proof case, separate compartments for individual batteries, better still a quick release to jettison them in emergency. If your LiPo's caught fire it could be fatal, it takes a while to descend! I have just made several DIY fireproof lipo cases similar to bat-safe dot com but mine use ammo box lined with ceramic fibre & on the lid I drilled some holes, wrapped rockwool in wire mesh to filter the flames and keep the soot inside. For paramotor application you could use thinner steel to keep light. If the batteries go on fire in a box the heat, gas & smoke must escape but you could direct it somewhere with perhaps pipe fittings etc (rearwards!). Bravo for your project but please take more care, make it perfectly safe before you continue!!
Im curious about how many watt-hours it takes for flying. just for comparison my electric bicycle takes 12 watt-hours per mile at 12mph, and like double that at 20mph. if your machine doesnt use many watt-hours to go a mile, your 1kwh battery could last quite a bit.
Rinoa Super-Genius this electric paramotors are so power hungry. 1kw hour may last you 15 mins at cruise and a lot more at take off. It consume a lot more than your ebike
Yeah i figured that, but i didnt want to make assumptions. still i think its more promising than petrol powered ones since you could expand the battery and even get more efficient chemical to electrical conversion if you keep it under 1c draw. plus who knows what technologies like sodium-ion cells will be available in the future.
Has so many advantages over gas that i think its a no brainier ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html
You need at least 1kw just to counter the 200 fpm min sink rate just to keep floating. It is for 100kg take off weight and ideal 100% efficient props and electrics. If you want to be able to climb at 200 fpm and the total efficiency of the system is 50%, which is more realistic, then you'll need at least 4kw of power. So, yeah, 1kwh will give you roughly one quoter of an hour of flight time.
Although it would make a great video, please put a decent firewall between you and them cells (incase of fire) and use a round (hoolahoop) cage so your not catching them risers! Feet were off the ground though, so it's a win!
Mate you can't give up now!! :-) just up the gauge on the wiring or bus bar it for power distribution and definitely get an efficient wing !! :-) your onto something big here mate, cheers
For high current wire connections it's best to both crimp and solder, and make sure you strip the maximum length of wire so you fully penetrate each connector.
Been a sub for forever and I can’t tell you the last time one of your videos was in my feed.great video,hopefully they get in my feed more
Don't scrap it man! Keep goin! You got this far! I also want to see more! It's funny, I have the same color Mescal 4, and I'm just itching to build my own electric multi-rotor motor as well. Just keep it safe, fix the obvious, and be smart. Regardless, don't scrap it! Keep going!
Pick a day with a little bit of Breeze and do a reverse launch instead of a forward and you won't have to worry about lines getting snagged on that cage.
It's GREAT that you reduced the voltage loss by using a heavier gauge. How much more power did you realize?
Would you be able to make the prop basket round smoother?
A faster wing will also help. I have a large Poison 3. It's touchy but its a rocketship.
Such a great idea. Fly high and far.
Power Wires.......... The larger the better...
Calculate max draw of 1 motor/prop. Multiply by 12... Use a wire gauge that can handle at least 50% more total current.
Yeah, old wings suck. Please don’t abandon this project. You are miles ahead of others that would like to get off ground w electric power and you are learning a lot as you go along. I would very much like to see a thrust test when you have a chance to get around to it. After that I want to know how long you can run that system at full power once you have the wiring straight. Cheers!
Those lipos are convenient, as they come in nice square packs, and are ready to plug up. But they can be super dangerous, as I'm sure you know. You definitely don't want an in-flight fire. You could build a super durable pack, with more legs, using 21700 cells. Or even 18650s. Just a thought. Nice job on the paramotor, BTW.
Damn, you are amazing and insane man.
For gods sake... beautiful carbon frame, elegant design, clean electronics.... BUT WHY THE ELASTIC ON THE TRIGGER? Please get yourself a proper spring =')
Just think what he could do if he actually knew what he was doing.
You don't make those kind of engineering mistakes, if you know what your doing...
I would feel responsible for those that would try this after seeing this video...
How much better is good enough?
This is the difference between a test pilot, and a test dummy... lol
that's something I don't get about YT 'makers' with 'amazing' this that and the other. It makes no sense to do no background reading before attempting to re-invent wheel, and it's total lunacy when serious injury or death may result. Don't get me started on Tucker 'dingbat' Gott FFS
whats wrong with it? why would a spring be better?
Very fortunate the Lipo didn't go and send a 5ft torch through your spine. Might want to put a fire wall between you and the batteries (and probably put them in a box). It should be very possible to make it safer. Maybe make a rounded cage around the drone props so nothing gets tangled or damaged on bad take offs. Very cool. And love the rc rocket. Subscribed!
Hay great vid dude!! showing the first attempts where you fumbling , shows character :-) Might i make an suggestion with your esc / power cables. I fly myself EDF's and a rule is that you keep the DC cables (between Lipo and ESC as short as possible. so mount the ESC's in the center of the frame, and put the 3 AC cables to the engine through the Tubing to the motors. It prevents boiling the resistors and makes it more easy to tuck away the cabling... But great attempt i'll keep my eye out for the next version :-) regards Nico
You could use more tapered joints for the body to prevent it catching and higher gawg wire to prevent it un soldering ! This is epic!
1: your cage shape keep the lines from getting up
2: you dont know how to controle a Praglider , your 'Old' wing seems to be a 'preformance' wing so dont pull on the break toggles at all(not 2 inches) and symetrycally and she will go up kite without the motor at first
3 : use big wire and all the batterie , and stay low in case of fire
Love the idea of a multi motor setup. I’ve often thought of doing something myself like this. Maybe you could wire your motors / batteries in groups so if you have a failure you would only loose a part of the capacity and not overload the remaining batteries. Say you had 4 batteries, and 12 motors, wire 3 motors to each battery.
Looks great, I think your pretty close to a very nice system. Love the videos!
Mike Christiansen check this out then ruclips.net/video/IvmQbtxeKuE/видео.html
Thanks for the link, your project looks very professional.
Don't scrap the project, use a higher gauge wire, run four 10awg for each set of 3 motors, and then stay at the 10awg down to your batterys, I would use 10 of those batterys to get the amparge alittle lower and Compacity up. On the other hand i would definalty build this to fly
You might like to test it on the ground at full power, until your batteries are flat, to make sure that the system can handle the load, plus you then know how long you have. Also I suggest make the edges of your frame so that lines cannot get caught. One way to do this, is to cut a bit of alkathene pipe long wise, then slip over the frame.
Great Job!! This said I think this set up would be more appropriate to power a descent as opposed to power you up from the ground, you will save battery life. Just a thought.
Jesus Christ, stay safe buddy, you're amazing!
Very VERY cool!! Keep going with this idea bro, PLEASE!!
I built a paramotor with a dle 111 engine and a 28 inch prop. The engine I believe only weighs like 7 pounds and puts out like 11 hp. The whole unit weighs like 30 pounds and has plenty of thrust to get me in the air.
That rig should be putting out around 45-50kgs of trust and pulling close to 500amps at full throttle. Since the EC5 connectors are only rated to 120 amps its no surprise that happened. Good luck with the next attempt!
I would like to build an electric para motor and am pleased with your success. The thing I wonder about is the diameter of a single propeller in comparison to your 6 prop array. I think that the wider diameter could cause problems with snagging lines.
woah new camera? Quality is amazing.
Daniel! I made a setup that uses one massive 190 kv motor and a 32 inch props. If you want to try to make one yourself I'd be happy to send a motor over and all you'd need from there is a ESC and prop! I run 6s and a 120 amp ESC but I'm sure you can get away with a 24-26 inch prop on 8s! with an 80amp ESC
I might be interested. What kind of motor is it?
A Very large (Brushless) KEDA Motor
Can you give us the exact model and maybe a link to the motor that you where talking? Thanks!
Get a nice paramotor wing that you can also free fly with so it's multipurpose. Then try again with your electric paramotor. We need guys experimenting like this. Although personally I'd prefer a gas 2 stroke motor
I love seeing the fails. Shows how true innovation happens.
I think you should build a frame from aluminum that is going to protect your motors, because the carbon might break if you fall backwards on the props. Also put some netting over the blades to protect the cords when you take off, last thing you need is a cut cord when you’re up in the air. Great work!
I had this exact issue with this wing - bought the same style wing on ebay just to practice kiting. It was nearly impossible to keep in the air no matter the amount of headwind
Please make sure you use a wing that doesn't stall on you. Also looks like in the current setup, it is difficult to apply 0% brakes. Paramotor starts, just like winch starts, are tricky at low speeds. The Skywalk glider was probably a good choice because the manufacturer claims that they are "impossible" (= hard) to stall.
that's so awesome, I hope you would start a business selling commercial version of this cool gadget!
I don't get how you can fall back on those props and motors and everything still works
your crazy yet inspiring !
I'd like to say play safe but your definately pushing those boundaries :)
Great stuff, but you need to think about crimping the lugs and get rid of solder. little heat can melt the solder every time. Good luck and tks for the vid.
Nice job! I'm wondering if you should rethink the use of any hoop at all. Or the use of a single large hoop. There is no reason you couldn't have all 6 motor modules on the ends of a long horizontal pole--outside the reach of any line or your hands (a safer option?). A side benefit would be you could use differential thrust to yaw (I'm not a ppg pilot so I could be completely wrong). One downside would be higher roll moment. Longer battery/esc wires would increase losses.