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  • Driving techniques: Controlling a FWD car with Martin Rowe

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  • @alireza24
    @alireza24 9 лет назад +63

    Chris Harris used to be Chris Hair-ris and is now Chris Hairless

    • @dropkickproductiontx
      @dropkickproductiontx 9 лет назад +4

      alireza24 I appreciate this comment so much

    • @Darlexis
      @Darlexis 4 года назад

      Haha Chris Hairish

    • @thefridgeman
      @thefridgeman 4 года назад

      It happens when you grow old, your testosterone level goes down and the progesterone goes up. They lose hair and grow tits.

  • @WhoooLovesOrangeSoda
    @WhoooLovesOrangeSoda 9 лет назад +77

    You guys should edit the audio if youre doing a video like this next time. I have to concentrate harder than the driver is just to hear some of it.

    • @drbrettanderson9964
      @drbrettanderson9964 9 лет назад +2

      Try VLC Media Player -- Tools, Effects and Filters, Audio Effects, Graphic Equalizer, Enable,
      BOOST THE HIGH FREQUENCY SLIDERS .
      www.videolan.org/vlc/

    • @Ryan-wn9rk
      @Ryan-wn9rk 9 лет назад +1

      DR BRETT ANDERSON If this were an amateur video, that would be a fine fix. These guys make a living off of the ad revenue and they should have edited the audio.

    • @edlingja1
      @edlingja1 7 лет назад

      WhoooLovesOrangeSoda
      A supplementary microphone (incl. foam "baffle") is all they need.
      Even better would be a decent set of lapel mic's like newscasters.

  • @igorchalov
    @igorchalov 11 лет назад +10

    Just great! Really enthusiastic video. Look at the happy face of Martin doing skidz! Very professional interview by Chris in such extreme conditions. It's always cool to watch talented making their work!

  • @wrthndr69
    @wrthndr69 9 лет назад +5

    brake override is a bitch...

  • @phillipwilson6515
    @phillipwilson6515 5 лет назад +10

    Had to watch this cuz I almost crash this morning in my fwd Jetta 1.8t

  • @guillaumed1691
    @guillaumed1691 6 лет назад +12

    This video is so cool I don't even care that it lacks camera angles and a proper mic.
    Just thank you Chris.

  • @SmolSnake
    @SmolSnake 12 лет назад +10

    Look at that guy's chin. Must be a professional driver.

  • @MrPietjePukpuk
    @MrPietjePukpuk 11 лет назад +17

    Subtitles would be nice. Can't understand much of what is being said with all that engine noise.

    • @ahpadt
      @ahpadt  10 лет назад +1

      Doesnt exist.

    • @Bartie96
      @Bartie96 9 лет назад

      +Arend-Jan Wijtzes this video is 6 years old

    • @sphinx8404
      @sphinx8404 3 года назад

      You realize that's what car guys love right

  • @Dosalt
    @Dosalt 10 лет назад +37

    I started trying out left foot braking and it does wonders. takes handling and cornering speeds to a whole new level. would probably go faster around a track on a FWD car than on a RWD.

    • @AndiKravljaca
      @AndiKravljaca 10 лет назад +7

      Agreed. Properly driven, and of course barring 500bhp+ cars where FWD cars can't get the power on the road in the same way, an FWD car can and will outperform an RWD car around a circuit - which of course touring car series show, time and time again.

    • @Lolzilol123
      @Lolzilol123 9 лет назад +4

      Andi Kravljaca But touring car series often have a penalty weight for rear wheel drive cars.
      I think I remember WTCC having it at 20 kg and ETCC at 30 kg. Priaulx won the WTCC 3 times in a row with a BMW and only Chevrolet have won more races than BMW in the WTCC.

    • @theant9821
      @theant9821 7 лет назад +1

      Andi Kravljaca except in almost all fair situations, fwd has few advantages on a race circuit but touring cars are to promote road cars which are mostly fwd so the race cars have to be too (hence bmw's impressive level of success in touring cars worldwide in the last 25 years)

    • @robertrishel3685
      @robertrishel3685 5 лет назад

      I have to kind of agree, all else being equal, a good FWD car is going to be faster, on the road, on the track, on gravel. I have a GT86, my wife drives an ‘18 Civic Si and my oldest son has a Mk7 GTI (DSG). I can drive the GTI and Si at a blistering pace much easier and with less concentration or risk than my RWD FRS. That being said, I still prefer the FRS 80% of the time. There are those days, however, when nothing beats stealing my sons GTI and just marveling at how fast it is. I never thought I’d enjoy the DSG as much as I do. It just works so well.

  • @Noah_wie
    @Noah_wie 4 года назад +7

    This vid is 10 years old and has more information about fwd than any other video i have seen big props to you guys lots of usefull information

  • @g0d182
    @g0d182 5 месяцев назад +1

    Returning here again, helps me to improve both my mental model and real world FWD drifts seen on my page.
    ---- 1:14 (Reasonable indication point to apply throttle, i.e. when car is balanced, when oversteer is controlled wrt apex)
    ---- 2:23 (Consequences of overdriving)
    ---- 3:38 (Consequences of throttling too much wrt apex, results in "power understeer" which may actually be repaired by left foot braking appropriately)
    ---- 7:02 (After already having triggered oversteer, lack of throttle means we may spin out)
    As noted, with FWD we sideway the car into the corner, while with RWD we can create momentum and slide through an entire longer corner.

  • @Detoyato
    @Detoyato 13 лет назад +2

    BTCC proves that FWD is > RWD if they are completely evenly matched in weight, suspension, Power. Tho they work best when the car is as light as possible..

  • @Riberaberubu
    @Riberaberubu 13 лет назад +1

    @sikkony I would belive you if it wasn´t for the fact that I drive an old Saab V4 -69 which is the most narrow car in sweden, plus its got as soft suspension as you can imagine, and its the best car for left foot braking ive ever driven, because theres no program that runs the motor its just gas, explosions and a lunatic controlling it all, so if you want a pure rally-car for left foot braking, go for the beautiful Saab 96 V4 :)

  • @jamessmith84240
    @jamessmith84240 10 лет назад +12

    I only came here because I have just got a Civic type R and what should they be using in the video? Type R! What a car.

  • @revo75
    @revo75 13 лет назад +1

    2 people are stuck on bicycles and scooters.

  • @gaspererjavec7108
    @gaspererjavec7108 6 лет назад +4

    oh my god is that Chris Harris with hair ? !

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 12 лет назад +2

    I think FF cars require a lot of precision diving because if you get on the gas to early or late at the apex then you've lost time. But when they're tuned right and driven right they can really be fast.

  • @jrdxx
    @jrdxx 12 лет назад +1

    The best FWD is the megane RS trophy

  • @DaveBibbs
    @DaveBibbs 8 лет назад +14

    When did Chris Harris leave ISIS?

  • @sikkony
    @sikkony 14 лет назад +2

    @guestfromhell10 I think the main factors in making a successful FWD drift is your turning path you have chosen, the throttle and braking timing. You have to know the corner well as well. Most importantly (and dangerously), you need to enter into the corner faster than what you can turn normally (over speed).
    You don't need to use left foot braking to do the drift too.

  • @hayksamvelyan
    @hayksamvelyan 14 лет назад +3

    wow that was awesome, I can't believe how calm they are while going 95+ through corners

    • @cae2487
      @cae2487 6 лет назад

      Hayk Samvelyan gotta remember that is most likely kph not mph.....so he is going like 65...still impressive but not quite the same thing

    • @jacksimmonds1724
      @jacksimmonds1724 2 года назад +3

      @@cae2487 Mate its definitely MPH, they said so in the video

  • @g0d182
    @g0d182 5 месяцев назад

    Found this video around 1 year ago, but by then I had already been drifting my Fk8, wish I had found it at the start.
    (a) I learnt by experience and estimation, about working the throttle, lift off oversteering, just to control oversteer and avoid hitting curbs.
    (b) Afterwards I naturally learnt to operate wrt points looking like an apex.
    If I had seen this video first, I would have started with a combination of (b) and (a), not merely mostly (a)!!!
    This is probably where Harris learnt to drift FWD, which lead to him drifting fk8 and beyond:

  • @flapflapflap88
    @flapflapflap88 4 года назад +1

    Just shows you, clarkson was completely wrong!

  • @getahanddown
    @getahanddown 11 лет назад +1

    Hit it more, you're causing more slide by trailing the brake I presume. Stab it and cause a definite balance shift. Also keep the front wheels in shape in relation to the desired direction of travel NOT worrying about what the rest of the car is doing, the rear will follow :)

  • @sikkony
    @sikkony 14 лет назад +1

    @sikkony I forgot to also add, I think the type of suspension setup is crucial too. A civic type R etc has very stiff suspension, so rolling effects are minimal, compared to that of a standard family car etc. The more roll you have, the less you will be able to drift/slide, and the higher the chance of understeer.

  • @ZondaF355
    @ZondaF355 Год назад

    What i would pay to see in 4k...or even 720 lol. Awesome stuff

  • @shaikhdishgan1
    @shaikhdishgan1 10 лет назад +5

    when rain will stop in U K?????

    • @amananca
      @amananca 7 лет назад +11

      when it's foggy..

    • @cae2487
      @cae2487 6 лет назад

      It's still raining in the uk....will inform you again 4 years from now...

  • @jakebennett4307
    @jakebennett4307 4 года назад +1

    Where can I learn to do this safely?

  • @getahanddown
    @getahanddown 11 лет назад +1

    Hahahaha love Chris counting off speed as Martin is demonstrating with no hands on the wheel, awesome.

  • @StringerBell060202
    @StringerBell060202 3 года назад

    6:25 "we are virtually going backwards"

  • @miksulder
    @miksulder 14 лет назад

    fwd is really shit and the axels are like my finger

  • @dennisvanderben2719
    @dennisvanderben2719 4 года назад +1

    This is gold

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 13 лет назад

    Proves again that in reality the drivetrain layout has very little to do with the actual handling of the car...both type of cars can understeer from factory, and can be set up for oversteer. Think of tire pressures, you can either have the front deflated and rear overinflated or vice versa, the effect is very similar. Same thing goes for spring rate bias, sway bar thickness, shock rebound & camber adjustments, etc.

  • @Girz0r
    @Girz0r 15 лет назад +1

    this is a good view!

  • @alwaysstaycool1
    @alwaysstaycool1 11 лет назад

    Not the greatest video. They only have the camera view facing them and extremely short clips of the car going sideways. They should of had multiple views. Should of had a camera at the pedals, and behind the driver so you could see there steering reaction. All this video was all talk and nothing about showing the proper way to control a FWD car.

  • @amduser86
    @amduser86 12 лет назад

    awd is the most difficult to drive fast, because you are not able to correct you misstakes as easily, as with other typs of cars. probleme is, most people don't know it, because most people can not drive fast, but then again most people confuse traction with grip.

  • @NuttySMX
    @NuttySMX 12 лет назад

    too late for me i crashed my FWD car 2 days ago for over driving it i was used to 4WD and also ESP on now im not an imprudent driver I just took that curve a little bit to fast early on the gas couldve died

  • @jvinhotmail
    @jvinhotmail 12 лет назад

    hahahaha, i've actually got the hang of it now! It can make me much quicker. Fuck doing it on the roads though, formula for a huge and very embarrasing crash with out a doubt. lol

  • @mysonstegman
    @mysonstegman 6 лет назад

    Propper angles an gopro on the peddles as well as the outsude widow views would be choice its hard to get it fully just on yammering

  • @Detoyato
    @Detoyato 13 лет назад

    @apexdna And are safer and more predictable at the limit... It also counts to the fact that RWD's are inherently unstable resulting in a Spin on almost every sort of contact (BTCC is prone to having those).
    Acceleration really is the only thing an FWD loses to RWD.
    And thats why Im a fan of AWD XD

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 13 лет назад

    @wwwopethin What exhaust? Ever driven a proper car before? They have less sound deadening for the sake of weight savings.

  • @santclause1
    @santclause1 11 лет назад

    he said it had hideous understeer. yet everybody in the country knows an FN2 is about front end precision not rear end adjustability. Clarkson is a muppet who just says silly shit so they get ratings. I prefer honest reviews that's why I watch chris harris.

  • @Ckavwalk
    @Ckavwalk 10 лет назад +4

    What car is that? Sounds gorgeous

    • @5PYZ3R
      @5PYZ3R 10 лет назад +1

      It's a newer Civic hatch, Type R.

    • @bladeofgod249
      @bladeofgod249 10 лет назад +1

      8th gen civic hatch type R. k20

    • @wrthndr69
      @wrthndr69 9 лет назад +2

      too bad it's ugly as fuck...

    • @AR-rk9nn
      @AR-rk9nn 9 лет назад

      Ugly civic type R, but fantastic K20A integra engine

    • @Ckavwalk
      @Ckavwalk 8 лет назад +7

      +Alex Rorrison it's a k20z4 engine as it turns out not from an integra. Also I disagree with ugly comment. I think it looks fantastic!

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 12 лет назад

    Well yeah, 200hp is where it gets hard to control. But if your suspension and alignment is set up right, you can really kill around the track.

  • @Cre8Thought41
    @Cre8Thought41 13 лет назад

    Remember, FWD the car pulls you through corners. RWD car pushes you. Takes some getting used to when going from RWD to FWD especially on a track or doing a high performance driving track day. Cheers.

  • @NuttySMX
    @NuttySMX 12 лет назад

    thanks man i know speeding and rushing aint good like i crashed into a light pole and also there was like a 150ft drop that i couldve gone to so yeah man we should be more careful

  • @maynardchabala418
    @maynardchabala418 Год назад

    Just wonderful 👍

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 11 лет назад

    I see. So I guess punch the brake harder to MAKE SURE the front is very heavy. And yes, I am trying to slide more by trail braking.

  • @jaystark9876
    @jaystark9876 14 лет назад

    This video help me understand the fwd techniques.. thanks for the vid posting.. I have recently bought a 98 integra, and im going to do some touge in it.. i have bought front strut bar, front lower tir bar and lowering springs, and later on alignment.. im pretty sure this honda will perform good on the sharp windy turn..

  • @stankylittleangus
    @stankylittleangus 14 лет назад

    @guestfromhell10
    Did you try countersteering in the opposite direction before you throw the car into the drift? It creates a stronger inertia and throws the car oversteering better.

  • @Tsparkdriver
    @Tsparkdriver 14 лет назад

    @likess You need short dumpers. The old ones are too "slow" for the short springs so it will swim around.

  • @dilawer321
    @dilawer321 11 лет назад

    This is the champ white edition with lsd, the one clarkson drove was the normal fn2 r although i agree clarkson cant drive for shit lol

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 13 лет назад

    @Detoyato That's because an FF can push way farther than any FR ever could on high speed corners.

  • @Mike_5
    @Mike_5 8 лет назад

    nice driving but what about the quality of the commentary??

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 13 лет назад

    @Detoyato AWD is nice, but FFs/FRs w/o electronic gizmos are more rewarding i.e. raw if you will...

  • @Disco_Potato
    @Disco_Potato 14 лет назад

    @santclause1
    he was saying the new type r handled like crap compared to the old one, which is true.

  • @TheTankDuffy
    @TheTankDuffy 12 лет назад

    not as dangerous as looking away when you're in a rwd though!! comes with time and its on a track there. i presume!!

  • @srid3454
    @srid3454 13 лет назад

    I wish they had done something about so much noise from the exhaust. Can barely hear them :(

  • @poop4256
    @poop4256 13 лет назад

    @baseballplayer2600 look up peugeot 306 maxi. fwd rally car that beat awd on tarmac. n/a 200hp

  • @mcfactory7
    @mcfactory7 11 лет назад

    You know this was done 4 and a half years ago, right? They didn't have tons of tiny HD cameras you can stick where you like.

  • @wittgensteinwurst
    @wittgensteinwurst 12 лет назад

    the video would be 100000000% better if you would have turned the camera 180°

  • @alamos8
    @alamos8 15 лет назад

    Great vid!
    And the euro Type R seems better after viewing this! sound is really good

  • @NickleJ
    @NickleJ 12 лет назад

    Those crazy Finns and Swedes would remind you there is also left foot braking.

  • @Border717
    @Border717 12 лет назад

    He looks away alot when he drives..and for long periods of time too at high speeds...nice

  • @poop4256
    @poop4256 13 лет назад

    @james86d lots of cars have a wing like that. supra, evo, sti and others

  • @getahanddown
    @getahanddown 11 лет назад

    Yep, find somewhere with run-off and get surprised by the braking grip on gravel too.

  • @Meatlooaf
    @Meatlooaf 11 лет назад

    he says it was worse than the old one. not that this was shit.

  • @AShaw-bd4fy
    @AShaw-bd4fy 10 лет назад +1

    Most new cars will not allow you to use the brake and the accel pedal at the same time.

    • @RogueVigilante
      @RogueVigilante 10 лет назад +6

      Most new cars suck and are not meant for this although there are a few gems arent there I guess all will be void after emp though

    • @RogueVigilante
      @RogueVigilante 10 лет назад +1

      A. Shaw Yeaa its so much better when they can drive after a emp though some vehicles can some are even shielded but most will be inoperable left foot braking is nice I did that anyways before I knew what it was lol so I watched this and I guess it only gave me more confidence knowing I had already figured that out for myself definitely is a lifersaver too to avoid collisions and Yeaa Ive had my car sideways even outran 18 cops;)

    • @davidmadison5582
      @davidmadison5582 6 лет назад

      I disconnect the battery and short out the terminals after every drive so my car will survive :)

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 11 лет назад

    For some reason when I try to do that braking thing, the rear end never kicks out. I always kind of understeer more. It seems like he's braking and flicking in at the same time, but when I do that it never really works for me...

    • @acarguy3773
      @acarguy3773 3 года назад

      Too heavy on the brakes, overloading the front tyres and causing understeer. Gotta flick and jab the brake, don't hold the brake just throw the weight forwards and flick the wheel violently to get it rotating.

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 13 лет назад

    @baseballplayer2600 Whatever, you silly drift fanboy.

  • @poop4256
    @poop4256 13 лет назад

    before i even saw the car i knew it was a honda. VTECCC

  • @ToxicHorsePucky
    @ToxicHorsePucky 11 лет назад

    Son of a bitch. It's Chris FUCKING HARRIS!!!!

  • @NickleJ
    @NickleJ 12 лет назад

    @NickleJ oops... i should have watched longer.

  • @T0m0thy
    @T0m0thy 11 лет назад

    He can drive, he's just... ham fisted.

  • @rationalconscience
    @rationalconscience 12 лет назад

    HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA 2:22!

  • @Sugarkryptonite
    @Sugarkryptonite 13 лет назад

    God this civic is so loud!

  • @rfouR_4
    @rfouR_4 11 лет назад

    Chris Harris = awesome.

  • @soldier0fsalvation
    @soldier0fsalvation 12 лет назад

    cant hear what they say!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Videpot
    @Videpot 11 лет назад

    Was surprised to see Chris as the passenger!!

  • @jvinhotmail
    @jvinhotmail 12 лет назад

    left foot braking is hard =/

  • @sim-racingcouk
    @sim-racingcouk 12 лет назад

    In the passenger seat, yes.

  • @apexdna
    @apexdna 12 лет назад

    You've got a point there...

  • @sim-racingcouk
    @sim-racingcouk 12 лет назад

    Clarkson can't drive...

  • @JPTHRICE
    @JPTHRICE 8 лет назад

    its just different style

  • @jvanegas14
    @jvanegas14 12 лет назад

    chris harris?!?

  • @matinirudolph8420
    @matinirudolph8420 5 лет назад

    Great explaination

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 11 лет назад

    Sound good, I'll give it a try!

  • @Talybanu88
    @Talybanu88 14 лет назад

    You are the best !

  • @santclause1
    @santclause1 12 лет назад

    exactly

  • @mrnineinchnail
    @mrnineinchnail 12 лет назад

    that was f*ckin great!

  • @madsmax9273
    @madsmax9273 9 лет назад

    i like them skids.

  • @jvanegas14
    @jvanegas14 12 лет назад +1

    AWD is sort of a strange beast. Its limits are much higher, and it is harder to fuck up because of the fact that all four wheels are being powered by the engine, but when you do fuck up......It's a closed casket.

  • @murasame03
    @murasame03 14 лет назад

    Show me the foot!!!

  • @joerhew6028
    @joerhew6028 12 лет назад

    sweet video

  • @Rogers1977
    @Rogers1977 12 лет назад

    great info!!

  • @rogaatnine2380
    @rogaatnine2380 6 лет назад

    Subtitles please

  • @motaz920
    @motaz920 15 лет назад

    great..thanks for uploading

  • @F1Oversteer
    @F1Oversteer 13 лет назад

    Great vid, thanks for the upload

  • @omg_atom
    @omg_atom 15 лет назад

    Thanks for this!

  • @Gregory_TheWatchman
    @Gregory_TheWatchman 13 лет назад

    Really Good! Thanks!