Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. Any landing where you can walk away AND actually use the aircraft again is a great landing. It was a great landing.
This was a very good instruction for a new pilot trying to grasp the basics. The point of the video was teaching visual cues. I vote the video is a success. And the nose definitely lowers after landing, so it was a main-gear touchdown (hold your finger on the horizon at touchdown and see it rise after).
I detected a small bounce. I hate doing that, I want to land perfect every time. Funny but I always nail it in a crosswind, albeit with one wheel slightly before the other.
Paul Wiles Very late response but just wanted to mention that landing on one main before the other is correct technique in crosswind landings. Happy flying!
That works well on a marked Runway, we just have a grass strip with no markings, the C172 is very easy to land though, especially with two people in the back, if you are solo keep some up trim in, then you dont run out of elevator at the final stage of landing.
If you landed on all 3 wheels at the same time (hard to tell for sure in this video), then that's a perfect example of how NOT to land a tricycle-gear aircraft. The nose gear is not meant or designed to be "landed" on.
I keep flareing to hard at the last second. My teacher say gradual and easy but in my mind i keep thinking im going to slam into the runway. Thanks for the video.
What kind of technique are you referring to? I think you mean idle not cutoff for your markers... Also, that was a bit fast for a 172 landing. Nice of you to select your aim points to coincide with your actual landing...Perhaps you could try hitting the touchdown zone marker next time.
@cessna170bdriver thats all very fine on a long runway not on a 400metre runway where u have to get here down not waist runway flying along it at 3 feet agl, u wud smash into the trees at the end
Nice work very useful after 34 hours in a 172 sofar I can say am good at everything take off,approach but my landings/flare are not 100% this video has given Me some tips that I will try out during my next lesson
You should treat every Runway like a short one! will make you better in the long term! You never know where you may have to divert to or what field you may need to land in!
IMO only 25% of the technique is actually visual/focus. Your focus point gets you to the runway but not landed. The other 75% is "stick and rudder". During approach, you must use your rudder to align the aircraft parallel with the center line and use ailerons to ensure you aren't drifting side to side. As you flare, the yoke comes back slowly until the plane stops flying (hopefully about inch off the runway). After touchdown, the yoke continues to come back to the stops as you roll out.
It’s a RUclips video about aviation. Expect a billion armchair experts in the comments who know 10X more and can do everything WAY better. After all, they play FSX and X-Plane!
Yeah, I’m not convinced that was a mains-first landing. Seemed more like all wheels touched simultaneously as the cowling didn’t rise above the runway’s end.
I can tell you that it hit mains first. You can hear it and the nose falls in two stages, once where the plane is slowing and the lift of the wing and the elevator is decreasing which leads the nose to drop then when he breaks and the nose drops further.
Technically there was nothing wrong with the landing, although I've always been taught and practice aiming for the numbers. It would have been nice to be able to see your instruments. This is no criticism but it seems to me that you were above glide slope and adjusted altitude with pitch which worked out fine, but wouldn't be the right technique for an instructional video. In that situation I would personally have maintained 1700 rpm and slipped the plane back on glide slope, but then again that would have interfered with the purpose of the lesson.
Pat DeLauder This is the most bullshit, over used phrase about aviation by people who know nothing about piloting an aircraft. Flying an aircraft is an art. Pilots should always be aiming for perfection. It is not digital with bad/good being the only two options.
Dude, if you listen closely you can hear the stall warning go off right as he touches down...you are being overly critical. I thought his use of the captain bars as an aimpoint and then transitioning to the end of the runway was excellent. Aim point, airspeed...
I agree with you there, you need to get rid of all the energy before you touch. But that being said, there is no way that this landing in this video was terrible.
Definitely landed too fast. Bad technique here. You should really be aiming to land with the stall horn going. Coming in too fast leads to ballooning or bouncing and this is far from what you want to be teaching people which this video is claiming to be doing. Also you should be aiming to touch down on the thousand footers. So flare before you get there. Not at them.
@@zainrobson4515 You don't want to actually stall it. Just get it slightly above stall speed. Ground effect will help produce lift and the stall horn shouldn't be going off imo. Also it doesn't really matter since the Cessna is such a small plane anyway.
@@CramcrumBrewbringer Stall horn starts 5 knots above Vs for most Class B so you want to hear that stall warning in the flare. Making the plane less prone to gusts.
The roundout to flare was a little aggressive, but overall being more aggressive is safer than being delayed. I like to roundout closer to the surface, then gradually hold the nose up as the mains settle. Getting to know exactly how close your mains are to the ground will also allow you to roundout right onto the mains if the winds are making keeping the airplane in control difficult as it slows.
where is the technique? choosing your sweet spot doesnt really conform to a technique..now of you were showing us a cross wind land strategy that would be a different story
It ain't "rocket science" - sit in the cockpit and have your buddies push down on the tail until the nose wheel is clear of the tarmac. The view you see in the windshield is the attitude you MUST have when settling to the runway. It doesn't matter what speed you approach the runway as long as you maintain the appropriate attitude during power reduction and touchdown.
ruclips.net/video/5bBLjcme_pc/видео.htmlm54s that's me. Look at the flare. That's how you're supposed to flare. Get rid of all the energy before you touch.
Over analyzing the landing process. Its called practice and figuring out what works for you. You use your senses and flight instructor to find your way down.
Xander Friedrich... No you don't.. As a pilot in training myself, you don't stall on the runway... Because if you do, it will be a much harder landing.. You need to preform a flair(lifting the nose gear up a little just before landing) for the softest landing possible...
Nice try. By the way it is a very flat (bad) landing. That's unreliable and unrealistic way to judge on landing - it can totally fail you. Try simulating different environments and land 100 times in FSX or Xplane. These sims are very good in training your eyes for real life landing - geometry is absolutely spot on, clearer than the real life (steep approach, sloppy runways, runways without markings, poor night lighting, gusts, turbulence, other staff that destructs). Just see if it works 100%
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. Any landing where you can walk away AND actually use the aircraft again is a great landing. It was a great landing.
This was a very good instruction for a new pilot trying to grasp the basics. The point of the video was teaching visual cues. I vote the video is a success. And the nose definitely lowers after landing, so it was a main-gear touchdown (hold your finger on the horizon at touchdown and see it rise after).
Hi, 6 years later how is your pilot training going?
@@heyitstonto8715 Actually I had 500 hrs at the time I commented. But not much flying in the la$t few year$ :(
Great landing and good advice, thank you!
I detected a small bounce. I hate doing that, I want to land perfect every time. Funny but I always nail it in a crosswind, albeit with one wheel slightly before the other.
Paul Wiles Very late response but just wanted to mention that landing on one main before the other is correct technique in crosswind landings. Happy flying!
Nice video 👌🏻
Im doing landings and flaps in tonight's lesson, wish me luck!
How did it went?
Uh oh, no reply after 2 years. Obviously did not go well.
@@retrofilmwork I passed! I'm now on my IFR this summer :)
@@uncleswell haha actually I'm in Instrument (IFR) training right now :)
@@abbieamavi glad to hear!
Awesome! Really awesome! It was magnificent!
Correct. Aim for the numbers. Flare will take you to the touchdown zone and give you most useable runway ahead of you.
Power and flap settings for downwind, base, and final? What is your final approach speed?
Very helpful video. Remember only about your altitude/ground effect.
You know what they say "A good Pilot is always learning" !!!
@charliechaser That's why there are different techniques for short field and regular landings.
Couple more things would have been great to add: airspeed ktas and flap setting degrees
PS: nice greaser 👍🏻
That works well on a marked Runway, we just have a grass strip with no markings, the C172 is very easy to land though, especially with two people in the back, if you are solo keep some up trim in, then you dont run out of elevator at the final stage of landing.
Are you the David Wright of Wright Wings out of PDK??
Was this a great landing? The nose wheel hit twice, so I'm thinking the plane was too fast and needed a more thorough follow through.
Just a question, are we always meant to have a stall warning horn coming on at the final stages of a landing?
its a sign of good landing
@miciex you mean how to apply the break and stop a Cessna? well you use your toe breaks, It's hydraulic powered.
Great sight picture. Most landing I see on YT I see pilots diving below glideslope to touch on the numbers...
For a good reason as well. The runway is nicer infront of you than behind you.
If you landed on all 3 wheels at the same time (hard to tell for sure in this video), then that's a perfect example of how NOT to land a tricycle-gear aircraft. The nose gear is not meant or designed to be "landed" on.
I keep flareing to hard at the last second. My teacher say gradual and easy but in my mind i keep thinking im going to slam into the runway. Thanks for the video.
What do u mean by cut off ? Cut the power ?
What kind of technique are you referring to? I think you mean idle not cutoff for your markers... Also, that was a bit fast for a 172 landing. Nice of you to select your aim points to coincide with your actual landing...Perhaps you could try hitting the touchdown zone marker next time.
the runway should dissappear in front of you. A nose up attitude and stall horn just before the touch down is a sign of a good landing.
Where's the flare ? Not aweful but not what I'd be posting as good technique for a normal landing. Short field maybe. Soft field no way.
The technique to land without the stall horn buzzing?
@cessna170bdriver
thats all very fine on a long runway not on a 400metre runway where u have to get here down not waist runway flying along it at 3 feet agl, u wud smash into the trees at the end
Nice work very useful after 34 hours in a 172 sofar I can say am good at everything take off,approach but my landings/flare are not 100% this video has given Me some tips that I will try out during my next lesson
Helped me go solo🎉
Thanks alot, do u have shot feild or sorft feild landing ?
Not bad!
You should treat every Runway like a short one! will make you better in the long term! You never know where you may have to divert to or what field you may need to land in!
IMO only 25% of the technique is actually visual/focus. Your focus point gets you to the runway but not landed. The other 75% is "stick and rudder". During approach, you must use your rudder to align the aircraft parallel with the center line and use ailerons to ensure you aren't drifting side to side. As you flare, the yoke comes back slowly until the plane stops flying (hopefully about inch off the runway). After touchdown, the yoke continues to come back to the stops as you roll out.
OMG...... After 13years RUclips recommending me this video in 2021
It’s a RUclips video about aviation. Expect a billion armchair experts in the comments who know 10X more and can do everything WAY better. After all, they play FSX and X-Plane!
Yeah, I’m not convinced that was a mains-first landing. Seemed more like all wheels touched simultaneously as the cowling didn’t rise above the runway’s end.
I can tell you that it hit mains first. You can hear it and the nose falls in two stages, once where the plane is slowing and the lift of the wing and the elevator is decreasing which leads the nose to drop then when he breaks and the nose drops further.
Technically there was nothing wrong with the landing, although I've always been taught and practice aiming for the numbers.
It would have been nice to be able to see your instruments. This is no criticism but it seems to me that you were above glide slope and adjusted altitude with pitch which worked out fine, but wouldn't be the right technique for an instructional video.
In that situation I would personally have maintained 1700 rpm and slipped the plane back on glide slope, but then again that would have interfered with the purpose of the lesson.
kinda fast at touchdown. i like to hear the stall warning for 2-3 secs as the main touches.
G.S. Looked ok, but did look a little fast.
If all souls on board lived--it was a good landing. If you can actually use the aircraft again--it was a great landing!
Pat DeLauder This is the most bullshit, over used phrase about aviation by people who know nothing about piloting an aircraft. Flying an aircraft is an art. Pilots should always be aiming for perfection. It is not digital with bad/good being the only two options.
Dude, if you listen closely you can hear the stall warning go off right as he touches down...you are being overly critical. I thought his use of the captain bars as an aimpoint and then transitioning to the end of the runway was excellent. Aim point, airspeed...
I agree with you there, you need to get rid of all the energy before you touch. But that being said, there is no way that this landing in this video was terrible.
Definitely landed too fast. Bad technique here. You should really be aiming to land with the stall horn going. Coming in too fast leads to ballooning or bouncing and this is far from what you want to be teaching people which this video is claiming to be doing. Also you should be aiming to touch down on the thousand footers. So flare before you get there. Not at them.
Yes, but with the stall horn going you have less controll and most off the times the plane drops too fast
@@zainrobson4515 You don't want to actually stall it. Just get it slightly above stall speed. Ground effect will help produce lift and the stall horn shouldn't be going off imo. Also it doesn't really matter since the Cessna is such a small plane anyway.
i think approaching speed was little fast, it could've better if you idled power earlier and initiated round out like one or two seconds earlier
@@CramcrumBrewbringer Stall horn starts 5 knots above Vs for most Class B so you want to hear that stall warning in the flare. Making the plane less prone to gusts.
Wow, where did you learn how to spell?
The roundout to flare was a little aggressive, but overall being more aggressive is safer than being delayed. I like to roundout closer to the surface, then gradually hold the nose up as the mains settle. Getting to know exactly how close your mains are to the ground will also allow you to roundout right onto the mains if the winds are making keeping the airplane in control difficult as it slows.
where is the technique? choosing your sweet spot doesnt really conform to a technique..now of you were showing us a cross wind land strategy that would be a different story
probably the same place you learned your etiquette
It's a 172. Land-O-Matic.
It ain't "rocket science" - sit in the cockpit and have your buddies push down on the tail until the nose wheel is clear of the tarmac. The view you see in the windshield is the attitude you MUST have when settling to the runway. It doesn't matter what speed you approach the runway as long as you maintain the appropriate attitude during power reduction and touchdown.
Like you know what you're talking about
Well actually yeah....
ruclips.net/video/5bBLjcme_pc/видео.htmlm54s that's me. Look at the flare. That's how you're supposed to flare. Get rid of all the energy before you touch.
Thats not a soft landing but anyway the technique its good tyx_
Over analyzing the landing process. Its called practice and figuring out what works for you. You use your senses and flight instructor to find your way down.
Quit being so stuck up, its was a good landing.
that's not how you land you have to stall on the runway.
Xander Friedrich... No you don't.. As a pilot in training myself, you don't stall on the runway... Because if you do, it will be a much harder landing.. You need to preform a flair(lifting the nose gear up a little just before landing) for the softest landing possible...
You don’t really flare Cessna 172 you transition.
Search for the definition of a "flare".
Just crash into the ground, its much more aafer because you dont feel the pain and your money is unaffected(not)
Well it's just a crappy landing. Flare it into the stall warning at least... Come on...
you landed on 3 tyres u can not pass
Wrong technique.Hot and high
You're so mean
cepaj
That was really average
Terrible landing.... Flare more!!
Nice try. By the way it is a very flat (bad) landing. That's unreliable and unrealistic way to judge on landing - it can totally fail you. Try simulating different environments and land 100 times in FSX or Xplane. These sims are very good in training your eyes for real life landing - geometry is absolutely spot on, clearer than the real life (steep approach, sloppy runways, runways without markings, poor night lighting, gusts, turbulence, other staff that destructs). Just see if it works 100%