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Superman, God, and The Problem of Evil
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2023
- If God is all-good and all-powerful, why is there evil in the world?
Superman and Lex Luthor help us answer the Problem of Evil.
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Agnostic here. This is a great video. Too often these types of topics seem to antagonise people. Its great to get a civil discussion
Thank you! Glad you're here
@@ThePopCultureChristian It's not about choice, it's about physical stopping. Superman physically stopped Lex. Lex still had free will. Why can't God do that?
This is a very competent, coherent answer to the problem of evil. Couldn't have articulated it better myself. God bless you, Holden.
He basically said rape exists so that raped woman can receive justice.
If Holden was in Gotham, Arkham would be empty
Holden, you have become an inspiration to me. This channel and all the content like this that you have made on your main one continues to affirm to me that I can still enjoy pop culture and still find the God I serve in it, even if it wasn’t made expressively through the lens of Christianity. I love that you actually base your knowledge and points from the Bible’s words and through what is shown and told us in these things. I hope to continue to see this channel grow so that more and more people who love these movies and TV shows can be shown the true nature of Christ. May God bless you and your family and use you for His glory.
I can tell from just this video that I’m gonna love this channel. I can tell ur an amazing Christian and can’t wait to see what else comes of it. Keep up the faithful work!
This scene right here has always stuck with me. I know I’m in the Minority when I say this, but I enjoyed Jesse Eisenberg’s portrayal of Lex Luther Jr. and this scene solidified that performance. There is conviction to what Lex is saying to Clark here. It felt like he truly believed Superman is a fraud and, while irrational and insane, Lex projects his anger of God not being there to protect him from his Father’s “Fists and Abominations” on to Superman. Now when he says:
“I figured out way back, if God is all Powerful! He can Not be all Good and if he is all Good than he can Not be all Powerful! And neither can You be?”
This was his plan to prove to himself and the whole world that Superman or “God” was not all powerful or all good.
i think you just found a piece of a puzzle ive been looking for the board is starting to come together
I love these sorts of discussions, and the way you approach them is awesome. Instead of speaking the "Christian language", as it were, to people who are watching these videos, you deal with all of this very practically and with a very "here are the facts" sort of attitude. Truly something that has been needed in this area of RUclips.
Also a little sidenote, and it's mostly just a guess but based on the way you're talking about all of this I'm assuming you're nondenominational, just taking God at His Word and removing all of the human tradition that many denominations like to make up.
You have earned a subscription and I'll stick around to listen to more of these 😄
I do my best, lol.
Very insightful and well explained. I grew up catholic and through public school deemed myself agnostic but not for any reason in particular other than the fact that i strayed away from faith. These videos that use scenarios from films I love are a great way to explain and connect questions to answers that I had as I separated myself from God. I love the way you also explain it from both perspectives of an Athiest and a Christian.
A good example of the points you make in this video is the fan film one on one which is a superman short where Clark tells a runaway that "if superman made you do whatever he wanted you to do he wouldn't be much of a superman would he"
Since i saw your wolverine video, it increased interest on your channel. Love how you relate comics with the theological, philosophical, morals & ethics. God bless you.
Very well presented gospel, Holden!
They always forget that there is another option: God will one day remove all evil. (In order for as many as possible to not be removed along with it)
Holden this was very strong breakdown. I solute you sir 🫡
This was really well thought out and explained.
Perfect video
I am a believer and deep Christian, so this question does not come from a place of gotcha or Belile. Let's take Luther's father as an example, he chose to beat and abuse him yes, he should and will be punished yes, like you stated he will be. Now what happens if Luthor's father, apart from Lex's knowledge repents, and turns and walks with God, he turns his life around in his dying days and Lex never knows. Lex is still justified to want justice no? My Christian brain likes to think that if he is truly repented he deserves to go to heaven, however, the argument presented says he will be punished because God is a just father. Does his father still get punished? or what happens then? Is it justice if the murderer truly repents and gives his life to god, becomes a doctor, etc etc, and because of this the judge doesn't send him to jail? This video brought that question to my mind and I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this. God Bless!
In that case the just punishment is taken by Jesus on the cross.
Sin isn’t just an action, it is something in the heart. Here’s an example, let’s say there is a guy who punches another guy, and the guy who did the punch, tries to justify himself, and say that it was the right thing for him to do. Well, in that case, the real problem is his heart, his heart might be tainted with the sin of violence. Sinful actions are just a product of a sinful heart. In order to fix the sin in your heart, you must realize what you did was wrong, and turn from that way, and accept forgiveness.
I would love to know what you think about Constantine(2005)
Hey Holden! I would love to see you do an analysis/examination of the film/book “Boy Erased.” It is a movie(with Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman) that came out a few years ago that is based on a memoir that recounts an experience with LGBT conversion therapy. The author talks about what the experience was like and tries to navigate being both gay and Christian. I would love to hear what you think about it and maybe you could look at some of the conversion techniques shown and explain why they are anti-Christian or illogical. I really enjoy your less common videos such as analysis/vlogs/documentary. Always love your content❤
I’m not Christian at all and I’m still not but I fuck w/ your energy
Well thanks my guy!
God is also all-knowing. He knew we are like we are since the moment he created us. So we aren't that "free" at all if we're determined to be what we'll be.
Knowing an outcome doesn't mean you're controlling that outcome. If I learn the score of a football game before getting to watch the game, did the players not have free will when I watch it back? Moreso, if we're going to see that free will doesn't exist, why do we bother with justice? If a murder had no choice, why would we punish him?
If you want to harm someone you can, you have that POWER. And that's a lot of RESPONSIBILITY.
I see what u did there lol
Lex was half right half wrong, God isn’t All Good or All Powerful, God is All Good, All Evil , & All Powerful, God is All. Lex made the mistake of limiting his understanding of God to truly comprehend God. There is no bound to truly limit God. God is Infinite in all forms, As The Creator God is in everything, right down to the very source code of all existence.
You can’t be all Good and all evil, because good is substance, while evil is a lack of substance. Like how heat is particles with a lot of vibrations, while cold is just a lack of that. You cannot be really hot and really cold.
@@charles21137 God is everything, & everywhere, The Alpha & Omega, our “logical” understanding about what is or isn’t can’t comprehend the true being of God. God is infinity itself and all forms of anything & everything in existence ties back to God. The forces of Good & Evil are servants of God used to test humanities righteousness , God can do great good & great evil onto the world like create & destroy. The point of me typing all this is to point out that anything we know or acknowledge to exist is part of God since God created it, because by the concept, God is an all knowing, all powerful being that is everywhere and created everything the only way something really could have nothing to do with God would be for it not to exist at all, which means it’s not even something we acknowledge or know about because it isn’t a thing.
@@bendu8282 you already said something that isn’t true, God is everywhere, but he is not everything. He created the universe, but he is not part of it, he is supernatural, outside the universe, but he still interacts with it. That’s more of a Hindu belief, not Christian.
@@charles21137 it’s more of a Judaism belief actually because I am not Christian. And like Hinduism, Judaism ironically came from the east. But all that aside:
(Everywhere)
“I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. 24 No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? 25 I know what those prophets have said who speak lies in my name and claim that I have given them my messages in their dreams.
(Everything)
“Any wealth, power, or strength we have originated with God. Any gift or talent we have - the same is true (James 1:17; 1 Corinthians 12:1-11). Even our ability to give generously comes from God (Deuteronomy 8:18; 2 Corinthians 9:10-11). Everything we have, and everything else that exists, is all his.”
Gods Owns Everything.
Psalm 24:1, NLT The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it. The world and all its people belong to him.
Deuteronomy 10:14, NIV To the Lord your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.
Psalm 50:12b, NIV The world is mine, and all that is in it.
Haggai 2:8, NIV The silver is mine and the gold is mine,’ declares the Lord Almighty.
Job 41:11b, NLT Everything under heaven is mine.
1 Corinthians 10:26, NLT For “the earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it.”
All Things Were Created By God And For God. Everything Belongs To God!
Colossians 1:16, ESV For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities - all things were created through him and for him.
Hebrews 2:10a, CEV Everything belongs to God, and all things were created by his power.
John 1:3, ESV All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Psalm 50:10, NIV For every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.
We Belong To God.
Isaiah 43:1, ESV Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20, ESV Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Romans 14:7-9, NIV For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Everything We Have Comes From God.
1 Chronicles 29:14b, NIV Everything comes from you, and we have given you only what comes from your hand.
1 Chronicles 29:12b, NIV Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.
1 Corinthians 4:7, NIV What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
If everything was created by God through God, for God , then God is everything. God is the ultimate source code to say God is just outside the universe alone is wrong since God is everywhere, saying God isn’t everything is wrong since everything exists because of God.
@@bendu8282 I never said we don’t belong to God? I said God isn’t everything. Also, modern Judaism isn’t really what they used to believe. The Old Testament condoned things like the trinity , saying “The Lord will send the Angel of the Lord, who also is the Lord” while after second temple fell(just as Jesus predicted) the Pharisees took over the religion, and they really wanted to separate themselves from Christianity, so they took away beliefs like that. Now, you can be born into a Jewish family, and you can worship some pagan gods, and they will still call you Jewish. But, if you worship Jesus, your suddenly shunned, and called “not a real Jew”. Hebrew philosophy also has some pretty bad ideas, like the idea that everyone’s minds are born as blank slates(which is not true). I also find it funny that you can pull verses that say “God created the world”(specifically;The Father created the world, through Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit) and then say “that means God is the world”. Idk what kinda mental gymnastic your doing, but making a painting doesn’t meant I am that painting.
Never have I seen the argument that God is absolutely real told in such an objective way before. Love it.
Of course, I don’t really believe in free will. Though if God and the Bible express that it is real, then it just means that I have to live with the notion that it does exist. In my opinion an evil act is an evil act someone chose but what causes someone to choose evil? If free will exists and we are naturally born good where does evil come from? Ourselves? The temptation of the enemy? If so then that’s not free will. If the enemy didn’t exist then we would be forever good. Adam and Eve would have never broken their promise to God and would remain in the Garden of Eden.
Also Superman, the symbol of justice, protects Lex from Doomsday, Lex’s creation aka his “son”.
Have you ever wanted to do something but chosen not to? , or has there been someone above you in authority who has wanted you to do something, and you didnt do it?
Being influenced by someone to make a choice does not mean it wasnt a free choice.
@@knutolavbjrgaas1069 That can certainly be explained. It might’ve seemed like I made a choice. I rebelled, but what was that reason? To get away from them due to annoyance? What about temptation. Why did I resist some times and others I caved in? Simple. I didn’t sleep well one day which can also be explained. I ate too much last night, and why is that? We had a get together, why did we get together and eat what we ate? It’s all a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go down. It’s not endless but it’s very very long and each person has a different chain.
But in your example of pedophillia why did the pedophile choose to start molesting children? The only options are that the pedophile himself was molested at a very early age and chose to start molesting children because of the experience in which case we're left with an infinite regress or because they were born without the ability not to molest children in which case labeling them evil is like labeling a natural disaster as evil. Now we can say that the pedophile had a responsibility to not molest children regardless of trauma but then if trauma can never excuse an action then the entire field of psychiatry serves no purpose.
Trauma is never an excuse for actions, it can help you understand why people made an indefensible act. But let's say you were born on the extreme end when it comes to antisocial personality disorder where you don't just show signs. You act like what psychologist used to refer to as psychopathy and sociopathy in regards to DSM-5. If you end up killing people, maybe you might avoid the death sentence, or maybe you end up in a very strict secure mental hospital for the rest of your life. You still are ultimately responsible for those actions. Even the most extreme believers of there being no such thing as freewill, not in a predetermined universe by a cosmic being sort of way. But because your brain is biologically wired to do whatever it is that you do. They will still make moral judgements as in regards to even less extreme bad behavior.
I might not be a believer, but I've never been able to take that leap in regards to free will. And I always find it silly that according to religious people I can't believe that there is anything such as good and evil. I might not think that the good and evil is the cause of invisible entities that want to help or cause harm depending on as a believer in God where you stand in regards to angels and demons.
Just because the universe is random doesn't mean that there are things that are not just subjectively but objectively worse actions for me to take. I can't stop a hurricane from destroying countless homes, if I started harming the people who was taking shelter from it I would objectively making a bad situation worse. I have more reasons not to do it but just from a selfish position I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want a person to do that to me.
“Objective morality” is a nonsense term. Even if there were a god, and he could burn you forever for doing such-and-such actions, that wouldn’t make said actions “objectively wrong,” that would just mean a supremely powerful force has its own subjective morality that it can back up with threats.
Talking about morality in terms of subjective and objective is worse than useless.
Did you just... Not watch the video?
Keep in mind that the Hod us christians believe in isnt just some extremely powerful being. He is literally the all-powerful creator of everything. He is the definition of whats objective because nothing would be if not for him.
@@knutolavbjrgaas1069 I did watch the video, it relies on all the false premises that are typical of this kind of apologetic content. His point was that because atheists can’t say some of things are “objectively” wrong, it has no bearing on anything. Rather than argue within this guy’s ridiculous frame, I showed why the very foundation is erroneous to begin with.
As for your point, I don’t see how that makes his morality any more “objective” (or any less “subjective”) than mine, yours, or anyone else’s. To demonstrate this, I can ask you, “Should things be? Should there be anything at all? God created things, but was that the right thing to do?” Any answer to that question will be inherently subjective.
Leviticus 25:44-46 and exodus 21:20 support slavery in the bible which is an example of slavery u used
I hear this one a lot from Atheists. 3 things: From an Atheistic relative moral worldview, slavery isn't even evil. It's only subjectively evil. Whereas from the Christian worldview, it is and has always been objectively evil. To be a consistent Atheist, surely you wouldn't claim slavery is absolutely evil outside of your personal preference.
2nd thing: this is widely misunderstood segment of God's tightening down on immorality and was never intended to be the final say on slavery. It would be like reading the terms of the 3/5th Compromise in the United States and concluding THAT was the end goal of the Abolitionists. (Christian Abolitionists I might add. It wasn't the Atheists leading that charge).
3rd thing: have you ever talked to any black Christians about this issue? I hear some Atheists argue that their culture was taken from them and replaced with Christianity. It's wild to think so little of a black person that they couldn't think these things through themselves. Plus, Christianity was in predominantly black nations before coming to Europe.
There's a wonderful book by Booker T Washington called "Up From Slavery" about his life growing up in slavery and becoming one of the most influential black authors in American History. Also, devoutly Christian and speaks on the issue of slavery. His words might be worth more to you because he experienced the horrors of slavery and found freedom in Christ.
@@ThePopCultureChristian but as a Christian, how can you be against slavery? If it says that it’s okay in the Bible? This is my question 😊
@@ThePopCultureChristian
Atheists don't think slavery is evil?
Then the bible is also atheist cause the bible condones slavery.
I think you forgot the entire point of the book you pull from, Exodus, where Moses literally frees the slaves because God tells him slavery is wrong
@@jackbot43 achully there's diffrent rules for having a fellow Israel as a slave and slaves from diffrent nations if you read it properly 😊 basically it more unfair on slaves from other nations as they are bought as property and inherited which is wrong. That's the context. And also your proving my point further if yoy show any contradiction as this shows human error which comes across like a made up book rather than an all knowing god In my opinioun