at the very beginning of this video you see a man in a white shirt and tie . He was an Austrian flying FW 190s in the Luftwaffe with 18 confirmed victories . He passed away two years ago and enjoyed doing aerobatic displays in his sailplane at air shows all over Canada and the USA . He was a country man friend of mine and we miss him in the gliding movement . May he rest in peace !
@@fanofmarilan9076 I think that I might have seen him perform at Comox BC decades ago. The person flying the glider was doing things I didn't think were physically possible. Definitely enjoyed the routine.
BTW, the Dora above was restored to "airworthy" condition and restored again just a few years ago, but is considered too rare to risk for flight since it is the only surviving D-13 example.
@@rufusx98 Replica airframes are not so much of a challenge but engines are not being made so it will be very difficult to obtain a usable engine. BMW, Mercedes, and Rolls Royce likely still hold the license and patents on their engine designs, and I think the patent rights for Junkers is currently under Airbus. It would be difficult to license "new" engines. But a few will be flying in the future.
@@FiveCentsPlease Sadly unlikely. Even if you could build a Jumo 213 engine, for some other parts (like the "Kommandogerät") not even plans exist anymore.
Sad that it takes war to produce such beautiful machines. This old girl, 70+ years old, still looks just as ferocious and sleek as it did when it was born.
Actually the D13 had the 213F which is basically the 213E but does not have the intercooler which was deemed unnecessary for the medium altitude optimized Dora. If it was a D13 it should have provisions for a hub cannon in the engine Vee (like the Ta152) although it may or may not have been fitted.
for the longest time this d-13 had d-9 wings,until a trade with usaf museum which had the original wings to this airplane.they were mixed up and crated when it was sold surplus.finally got the usaf museum to swap wings and that proved champlin correct-ammo chutes matched up and the brain box that controlled the engine,fuel and propeller matched up too.Great that it finally came back together after all these years........
I'm still waiting for the restoration of the last ta 152 in the world. It is this plane's successor. It was left to root on the Smithsonian collection for years. Shame that the curators don't give the same love to german planes as they do to allies
@@antonioorellana504 Smithsonian has the Ho229 as well just collecting dust. i swear its a crime what they do. collect up all these super rare and priceless machines just to stow em away in their warehouses, never to be seen. i dont understand how or why people commend them for this.
This is the long-nosed version, the D model. It really did have a superb motor. It's high-altitude power output really was unparalleled. It is a very rare fighter plane.
Part of the engine controls were missing when this video was made so starting was difficult. In fact, it could only idle. A new restoration was completed a few years ago which replaced the missing part, but the new owners do not start it. Also remember that wartime aircraft had a dedicated ground crew that kept them running perfectly. The hand inertia start was used by all sides and was a weight-saving feature.
@@dllmpb06 My understanding was they located the correct propeller hub for it and the missing Motorbediengerät (I think that was the name for the control unit on the 213.) The engine was gone over but I don't think it was put through the overhaul necessary for flight certification. I had also read that when they were putting it back together at Gosshawk they had wanted to do a new engine run but there was deadline to get it on the truck to Paul Allen's museum. A missed opportunity to hear the engine running better.
@@Schlipperschlopper There are two or three Dora projects out there, but nothing that is moving very fast. Some of the Flugwerk 1:1 replica Fw-190 have been built to Dora standard and there is one that was close to flying with an Allison. Another example has an Allison but waiting to switch to another engine sometime in the future. There is no Dora model that is flying at this time. One of the Allison-powered replicas will probably be in the air first.
@@FiveCentsPlease What do you mean by "correct propeller hub"? Isn't it the same as on the Ju-87/88, the hubs of which you can easily find the originals? Or what was the uniqueness and difference between the hub of Dora and the same 87/88?
The FW 190D is a fearsome and gorgeous machine! The Germans really did make the best planes during the war, and the v-12 was a great engine was great for powering them.
Rolls Royce Merlin and even Allison are V 12 but germans preferred to develop Inverted V 12 engines, Argus, Daimler Benz and Junkers all made them, the Argus AS 410 - used in various projects - was air cooled but of lower power than DB and Junkers.
This was filmed sometime around 1992. The new restoration from a few years ago corrected many things and it now wears its wartime paint colors. It is currently owned by the Flying Heritage Collection and is on display in the Museum of Flight in Seattle. No more engine runs were performed after the new restoration, though it was restored to airworthy standards. It will probably never fly because it's a vary rare long-nose version.
This is the only surviving D-13 when it was still with the Champlain Museum. It was started occasionally but could only idle because of missing engine parts. It's now fully restored (missing parts now added) and is on display at the Flying Heritage Museum. The Allison-engined Flug Werk is in FL being prepped for flight testing.
The most amazing FW made. I could only imagine the rush a German fighter pilot got when he flew this. Even with being outnumbered this thing was so fast that if you flew smart you could get away.
+Heinrich Patan I'm a Messerschmitt guy. The sharp angled canopy, the radiator on the wings, the smoothness of the fuselage, the rudder - everything to me about the 109 is perfection. I'd kill to fly one.
@KenMacMillan The Bosch inertial starters can be turned by hand (seen here) or with external electric power. This demo was most likely done for the crowd.
Yes, the D version uses an inverted V12. Depending on the sub-model, the D-9 thru D-13 had inverted Jumo 213 while the final D-14 and D-15 models used the DB 603 engine (however very few, if any, D-14 and D-15 were completed in time to see active service) The fuselage and small tail extension were added to adjust the CG for the longer engine.
@MisogiWaAikidoDesu There are several D-9 projects that are ongoing, so in the upcoming years we will hopefully get to hear a Jumo 213 roar to life. The D-13 in this video was missing an engine control unit and it could only idle. When it was restored again a few years ago, a control unit was found and installed but they did not have time to do any engine runs before it went on display at FHC. And yes, witnessing one of these V12s in person is a jaw-dropping experience.
A fly wheel system allowed German aircraft such as this one to operate from remote bases close the the battlefield as the front moved forward. The equipment the ground would use to start the engine wasn't always able to keep up to the pace of the battle.
This aircraft WAS definitely equippted with an electric starter. I don't know why they aren't using the electric starter in this video. Additional to that: At the time when this video was filmed the shown aircraft was missing an important part of the motor management and the ignition was not working correctly therefore. As fas as I know, the so called "Kommandogerät" was missing. Otherwise even the cranking-start would have worked better and faster than seen in this video.
DW Gallmann what's interesting is that the Merlin in the early Spitfires had provision for a crank to start, exactly like this and for the same reasons you give above.
This aircraft was restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration. It also exchanged the wings that were placed on the NASM D-9 in error. It was sold to the Flying Heritage Collection museum in Everett, WA and while it was restored to airworthy standard (mostly) it will remain on permanent static display because it is too rare to risk in flight. Several D-9s (some replica) are under construction but it will take years before complete.
god what a gorgeous machine,back when airplanes had soul, yeah fighter planes these days go 10 million miles an hour and have armament that can shoot your left nipple sideways at 60 thousand feet but they all look the same,thank you for posting the video!!
This peticular Dora is a D13 formerly owned by Doug Champlain, and is now displayed in the Seattle Meuseum of Flight. It is the most authentic fw 190 in existance after undergoing 2 restorations. It for sure 100percent positively has its original fully runable Jumo 213 engine! Parts are available and several jumo engines are runnable. The White 1 foundation in Kissimme FL is currently restoring a Jumo 213 for their Dora rebuild. Also based there is Stallion 51s Allison powered FlugWerke D9.
The inertial starter, which energizes a flywheel to engage a starter gear. This can be done by hand as seen here for rough field conditions, or electrically with an external power source such as a start cart. Direct starters and batteries were heavy, so inertia starters saved weight. Some Allied aircraft used them as well.
Thank you for this video, it s just fabulous... and thank you to the people who are keeping such a jewel alive...the sound of this german V12 is just fantastic
When the Kurt Tank's Fw190 started full production in 1941, Kurt Tank went to the head of the German Air Force(GAF) and asked for permission to design a high altitude version to combat high altitude bombers like the turbo charged B17 and B24. The Fw190 with its radial engine lost power above 20,000 ft and would be ineffective against the B17 and B24. The GAF told him no, so the Fw190d with the high altitude v12 engine wasn't developed until 1944, when it was to late to save the German cities.
American planes actually used a shot gun shell to start aircraft engines. The German planes used a fly wheel. Thats what you see the mechanics doing, spooling up the fly wheel. It really wasn't a bad start. Very little blue smoke from oil accumulating in the cylinder heads. Its great to hear a plane like this again.
True, I think I saw a clip of a Grumman Hellcat being started that way, plus of course, the famous scene in the original Flight of the Phoenix, down to their last cartridge to start the engine...
maybe it isnt a original german engine. they have to be very rare. ;) And i think, turn the Prop in its spinning direction for a few rounds would be help to get oil and so on in the right way... not sure, but there where a procedure for some other plane-engines.
Inertial start was used on some Allied aircraft as well. Direct start motors were heavy back then, and inertial start was both for weight reduction and for rough field conditions when the optional external electric power for starting was not available.
@cuttlefisch Yes, it entered service in March 1945 with JG26 and was piloted by Maj. Franz Gotz. It was surrendered on VE-day and was one of the many aircraft used for flight testing by the AAF. When the AAF disposed of it, it was given to a technical school (thankfully not scrapped) in the Atlanta area before being sold to a private owner. It miraculously survived decades of outdoor storage and was finally bought and restored in the 1970s. It was fully restored for a second time recently.
The Bosch inertia starters can be energized manually (seen here) or with external electric power. The inertia starter was not unique to German engines and was found on several Allied aircraft including the B-24 as a backup starting method.
Well, technical progress was made because both partys forced each other to evolve, right? And the Battle of Britain was not about single planes at all. Merely it was about the lack of long range fighter support and not enough pressuring the right targets. And apart from not being rightly equipped at all, there were other advantages on the British side. For example if a German fighter was shot down over Britain, the pilot was lost in either case, even he survived the landing. British pilots as long as they were not harmed, flew the next day again in a new fighter.
This is pure speculation on your part There were aircraft under development on both sides that would have had accelerated progress if events as you mentioned had taken place the MB-5 and meteor plus better models of the Spitfire and hawker aircraft would have been rushed. Plus the emergency fighters of produced by Miles although slow were cheap to produce and the experimental E 28 jet flew in early 1941 So the Dora threat would have been matched
In the late 60s at Oshkosh I saw some WW II film footage of them starting Dora and then they used a power cart. Battery tech. was not as good then as now. The person that had the film was Marcel Jurka a former Royal Rumanian Luft pilot on HE 111s. He started the scale fighter movement back in the mid 60s with his Gnatsum version P51 . then did a FW190 and a Spit. His first design was the Tempete then The Sirocco. My dad & I built the a Sirocco. Marcel was one scary guy to fly with !!
yes i know that mostly (rich) american people are keeping in a very good condition these warbirds and antic planes. It just that i feel jalous, why the smithsonian museum is not at Paris ? a shame
thomas P-R When complete, Germany will have the Lake Schwerin Fw190D-9. This was recovered years ago, but I believe that it suffered deterioration from improper storage. Now it is being rebuilt for static display, although due to completeness it would have been excellent for an airworthy rebuild today. It should be finished soon. There is another Dora in Lake Schwerin, but it disintegrated on impact and is likely in worse shape. www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/daedalus/FW190D9/motor.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/03_fw190_leitwerk_berg_a.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/01_fw190_rumpfwerk_berg_a.jpg www.daedalus-berlin.de/images/stories/fw190_d_technik/01_fw190_rumpfwerk_rest_d.jpg There is another Dora restoration to airworthy in Belgium. This is a very slow private rebuild, so no date on when it will be finished. Three more Dora projects are for North American owners. There should be a Fw190A-8 at the Musee de l'Air. The tandem place Fw190 is a trainer modification, but my sources only show one of these at the RAFM at Hendon.
This aircraft has an electrical starter. It was said and explained very detailed several times in this thread. At the time when this video was made the aircraft lacked an important and very advanced part of the motor management. Maybe they tried to start the aircraft with hand cranking for show reasons, but without the lacking part in the motor it was a difficult task to start the motor. Once it was started it was only able to idle. In between the lacking part was found and build into the plane
Maybe if us Americans dedicated ourselves better to arts and sciences (as opposed to how big Kim Kardashian's ass may be) we could start up incredible aircraft like that easier.....
We Americans beat your kraut asses in WW2😃🇺🇸 By the way , I’m German-American and my Mom’s cousin flew with the Luftwaffe in Jadgeschwader 77 in an ME-109 . He was an ace .
machia0705 americans are just "erntehelfer"! ask the russians about the real terrible war in the east! western front is just a "nebenkriegsschauplatz", more then 50 war-declarations against germany and he talks about kicking ass... like rambo ;-)
@chrysanthos66 Inertial starter, essentially a flywheel to engage an engine starter. It could also be spun up electrically. Direct starters for these big engines during that time were heavy, so this saved weight.
@osgood54 It was filmed in 1990 at the Champlin Aviation Museum during a Fighter Aces Symposium. The engine was occasionally ran at idle speed only. Since then, the airplane has been fully restored for a second time and is on display at the Museum of Flight. No more engine runs have been done after the new restoration.
@cfs3000 It was missing an engine control part (the Kommandogerat) when this was filmed in 1990 and it could only idle. The missing part was located when it was restored again a few years ago, but no more engine runs were performed before it went on static display.
Two of the new Flug Werk A-8/N models have been converted to the long-nose D-9 standard. One is in FL having final prep before test flights using an Allison V12 engine (usable Jumo engines being quite rare and expensive.) I believe the other is being used for a D-9 project in Europe. See the RUclips video for "De Dora van Waasmunster"
@damnonii Both. They are demonstrating the inertial starter (which can also be turned electrically) and the engine is missing the Kommandogerät control and can only idle. A well-maintained wartime aircraft would probably start easier. The plane was restored again a few years ago and a Kommandogerät was located, but no more engine runs have been performed after rebuild. The plane belongs to a different museum now.
@OLDCROW1962 This engine is the authentic Jumo213, although it was not running well because of missing engine parts and could only idle. The parts were found and the plane was restored for a second time recently, but no more engine runs were done. However, there is a new-build Fw190D that does have an Allison V-1710 installed, but it has not flown any as of today.
I guess this is not going back in the air. It would be amazing to see a Dora flying again. There were rumours that FlugWerke were going to make some 'New build' Dora 9's but Ive heard nothing more of this. But to see and hear that big Jumo run is sweet indeed.
+ malcolm carter Flugwerk produced three "Dora" series aircraft - one assembled example with an Allison V12 and two more in pieces. The Allison-engined example has never flown and I think was never certified to fly. It's at the museum in Virginia Beach, rumored to be waiting on a Jumo engine and rework but not much happening with it. The other two Flugwerk Doras are being used for projects, but nothing that is moving very fast. At least one Flugwerk Fw-190A owner has also converted their aircraft to Fw-190D standard, also with an Allison engine. There was a nice magazine writeup about it, but no follow-up to my knowledge indicating any testing or flying. The Fw-190D-13 in this video was given a new restoration to correct many things and it is currently in Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Museum as a static display. It is not flown and I agree that it should never be flown because it is the ONLY surviving D-13 in the world. Other Fw-190D examples will eventually fly.
@Dragonryder813 The Bosch Schwungkraftanlasser was not a direct-drive starter, but an inertial starter that could be energized by hand (turning a hand crank) or by 24-volt electric power source. There is a power connector on the fuselage for external power. Direct-drive starters big enough to turn these engines were heavy and this starter saved weight. Inertial starting was used on a number of engines, both German and Allied.
@mrsmelzbad: yes the gear on the 109 is extremely tricky. However, this was done on purpose because the gear folds outward, making the wings lighter instead of having a lot of weight in the wings like a mustang. This helped to make the 109 very agile
It's been pointed out to me that yes, the plane originally had an electric starter. That doesn't change that at the time of this engine start it may not have been installed yet as part of the restore or was not functioning. I am sure if someone could talk to the owners at that time they could clear that up. I plan to go see this plane up in Everett WA this summer, and I'll ask there to see if they know.
@dzdz80 Electric starters with enough direct torque to turn an engine were heavy during WWII, though some were used. Other methods were inertial flywheel (used here) or small explosive cartridge to turn the motor. I believe the inertial starter used here can be turned manually or electrically. In Luftwaffe service it would probably have started much easier, and this one was missing an engine control component. Inertial starters were used by both Allied and Luftwaffe planes.
This is the original Jumo 213 that remained with the aircraft. They aircraft was given to a technical school after the war (instead of being scrapped by the AAF) and later it was bought by a private individual. It remained in outside storage for decades until it was bought by collector Doug Champlain in the early 1970s. Champlain recently sold the plane after new restoration a few years ago.
Yes the Daimler Benz and Junkers engines are hard to obtain, but there are still some out there! There are currently 2 ME109Es and 3 BF109Gs flying with original Daimler Benz 601 and 605 engines respectively. Several Junkers engines are currently runnable, and about half a dozen being rebuilt for FW190D restorations, and for 3 JU88s being restored to airworthy condition. The D9 at Stallion 51 is a new built FLUGWERKE 190D with a modified upright Allison, with a custom exhaust to appear the same
@GRATZIANI2002 To save weight, many German (and some Allied engines) used a hand-crank inertial flywheel as a starting method. The Jumo 213 has the inertial starter (Schwungkraftanlasser) being used here. With modern technology, you will notice the flying Me109 restorations have added a small electric motor to spin the flywheel for starting.
@roald1967 Early flat style canopies had a pulley/spring system to keep the antenna wire tight when the canopy was open. Later blown style canopies did not have the pulley and the wire went slack when opened. Since Fw190s were known to be re-manufactured into later marks, it is possible that a reused early flat canopy could be missing the pulley system. The D9 with a blown style canopy would have the wire slack when open.
The engine is a Jumo 213E, the plane is a D13 variant. Basically its got alot of parts that the TA152/3 would of had. VS10 prop, all weather capable (ish) , big air intake, deleted cowl guns. Very fast plane easy match for the P51 or late model Spitfire.
Pepe, DB and Jumo motors are rare, but there are a handful that have found their way into restorations. It's not cheap, for instance one DB 601 restoration required finding three donor engines for parts with other missing parts re-manufactured at great expense. There is a learning curve getting the German motors operating again, which is what is happening in restorations today. There are a few special engine shops that offer to rebuild the German motors now. Yes this is a Jumo engine in the vid.
@EnterpriseXI This plane has not flown since AAF testing. It was bought derelict by Doug Champlin and shipped to Germany for restoration from 1972-1976 by Art Williams, whose wife had contacts in German aerospace. Kurt Tank was still alive and assisted in the rebuild. The engine was restored to running, but missing a key part, so no flights. It was occasionally ran at the museum. A second restoration was done on this plane recently to correct things, but it will not fly and was not ran again.
A Fw200C-3 was raised from Trondheimsfjord in Norway. It broke in half while it was being raised from the water. It is now under restoration for the Technical Museum of Berlin. It is formerly F8+CL from 7./KG40 and was lost on Feb. 22, 1942. This is the only Fw200 that exists.
+Automotive 65 The hand-inertia start was available on many aircraft, usually as a backup start method. Faster for Luftwaffe ground crews than connecting start carts for electric power.
The engine in this plane is a Jumo 213 E, A DB605 was never fitted to a FW190 for production. The earlier comment about the OFMC 109 being unreliable was due to the metal the engine was made from rather than the ability of the OFMC to tune it.The bombing raids made late war engine manufacture a very hard practise.. they made what they could with what they could find.
The flying heritage museum in Everett, WA has a fully functional D-13 but they said it'll never be flown because it's literally THE last one of its kind. This footage looks a bit older but it might be the same one. I've seen their eastern front A-5 fly in person but it just isn't the same as these precious late-war 190's
+ Nick Siegfried This is the same D-13 when it was owned by Mr. Champlin and before he had it restored all over again and sold to Flying Heritage. I have the impression that it would need a bit more work to actually be flown safely.
I think you're referring to the Kommandogerät for engine management. It's some kind of early computer that controlled the propeller blades, air / fuel mix, ignition and so on. The pilot only had to move the throttle. Everything else was done automatically.
and I thought my 87' Mercedes Benz was advanced because of that mechanical/electronic fuel control on the bosch K-Jetronic... I'm really impressed that even back in the 40's they had such tech, trully amazing!
@TehGav The missing Kommandogerät controls the mixture and they only ran it at idle. A Kommandogerät was found and installed when it was rebuilt again, but the new owners don't do engine runs.
The aircraft was fully restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration and given the correct marking based on photos of the aircraft from the war. It was offered for sale and purchased by the Flying Heritage Museum. It's restored to near-airworthy condition but there are no plans to fly it because it is a one-of-a-kind example of the D-13. The restoration team wanted to perform some engine runs, but they were on a deadline to finish.
I knew that the Me 109's were hand cranked but I didn't know the Dora was also. I remember reading an interview with General Rall and him stating how impressed he was with the electric start capabilities of captured American aircraft.
at the very beginning of this video you see a man in a white shirt and tie . He was an Austrian flying FW 190s in the Luftwaffe with 18 confirmed victories .
He passed away two years ago and enjoyed doing aerobatic displays in his sailplane at air shows all over Canada and the USA . He was a country man friend of mine and we miss him in the gliding movement . May he rest in peace !
Was that Gunther Rall by any chance?
@@matthewcaughey8898 no, Rall was born and raised in Germany.
@@Nghilifa Oscar Boesch.
@@fanofmarilan9076 I think that I might have seen him perform at Comox BC decades ago. The person flying the glider was doing things I didn't think were physically possible. Definitely enjoyed the routine.
@@SuperRede4u apparenlty he was very skilled with gliders before the war, and he was ofc a good pilot.
BTW, the Dora above was restored to "airworthy" condition and restored again just a few years ago, but is considered too rare to risk for flight since it is the only surviving D-13 example.
Sadly
@@poland5606 There are few Dora projects around, some are active and some not. A replica might fly soon.
Let's hope we'll have exact replicas in the future to fly them!
@@rufusx98 Replica airframes are not so much of a challenge but engines are not being made so it will be very difficult to obtain a usable engine. BMW, Mercedes, and Rolls Royce likely still hold the license and patents on their engine designs, and I think the patent rights for Junkers is currently under Airbus. It would be difficult to license "new" engines. But a few will be flying in the future.
@@FiveCentsPlease Sadly unlikely. Even if you could build a Jumo 213 engine, for some other parts (like the "Kommandogerät") not even plans exist anymore.
Sad that it takes war to produce such beautiful machines. This old girl, 70+ years old, still looks just as ferocious and sleek as it did when it was born.
Been a fighter plane buff my whole life, and I'll be the first to admit I'd actually prefer to live in a world without them!
@Big102080 Not just a laugh, I actually mean that!
@@devilsoffspring5519 I take your meaning.
Excellent moi!!🌠🛩️💫🌐
@@devilsoffspring5519 You sound like a Communist..
Who needs to go the gym, when you can crank a FW190-D9 engine instead!!
Thsi is not a DB605 Engine, the DB 605 was in the Messerschmitt 109. This is an Junkers Jumo 213 A-1 Engine.
Actually a Jumo 213E
Jumo 213 f1
Actually the D13 had the 213F which is basically the 213E but does not have the intercooler which was deemed unnecessary for the medium altitude optimized Dora. If it was a D13 it should have provisions for a hub cannon in the engine Vee (like the Ta152) although it may or may not have been fitted.
wm565 actually the Dora 9 used a jumo 213A
stuka oh boi this is fun
for the longest time this d-13 had d-9 wings,until a trade with usaf museum which had the original wings to this airplane.they were mixed up and crated when it was sold surplus.finally got the usaf museum to swap wings and that proved champlin correct-ammo chutes matched up and the brain box that controlled the engine,fuel and propeller matched up too.Great that it finally came back together after all these years........
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I'm still waiting for the restoration of the last ta 152 in the world. It is this plane's successor. It was left to root on the Smithsonian collection for years. Shame that the curators don't give the same love to german planes as they do to allies
@@antonioorellana504 Smithsonian has the Ho229 as well just collecting dust. i swear its a crime what they do. collect up all these super rare and priceless machines just to stow em away in their warehouses, never to be seen. i dont understand how or why people commend them for this.
This is the long-nosed version, the D model.
It really did have a superb motor.
It's high-altitude power output really was unparalleled.
It is a very rare fighter plane.
Part of the engine controls were missing when this video was made so starting was difficult. In fact, it could only idle. A new restoration was completed a few years ago which replaced the missing part, but the new owners do not start it. Also remember that wartime aircraft had a dedicated ground crew that kept them running perfectly. The hand inertia start was used by all sides and was a weight-saving feature.
It's actually still missing the correct engine parts.
@@dllmpb06 My understanding was they located the correct propeller hub for it and the missing Motorbediengerät (I think that was the name for the control unit on the 213.) The engine was gone over but I don't think it was put through the overhaul necessary for flight certification. I had also read that when they were putting it back together at Gosshawk they had wanted to do a new engine run but there was deadline to get it on the truck to Paul Allen's museum. A missed opportunity to hear the engine running better.
Why dont make an 1:1 replica?
@@Schlipperschlopper There are two or three Dora projects out there, but nothing that is moving very fast. Some of the Flugwerk 1:1 replica Fw-190 have been built to Dora standard and there is one that was close to flying with an Allison. Another example has an Allison but waiting to switch to another engine sometime in the future. There is no Dora model that is flying at this time. One of the Allison-powered replicas will probably be in the air first.
@@FiveCentsPlease What do you mean by "correct propeller hub"? Isn't it the same as on the Ju-87/88, the hubs of which you can easily find the originals? Or what was the uniqueness and difference between the hub of Dora and the same 87/88?
The FW 190D is a fearsome and gorgeous machine! The Germans really did make the best planes during the war, and the v-12 was a great engine was great for powering them.
best guns and tanks too^^
Soviets and Japanese also made superb planes!
Rolls Royce Merlin and even Allison are V 12 but germans preferred to develop Inverted V 12 engines, Argus, Daimler Benz and Junkers all made them, the Argus AS 410 - used in various projects - was air cooled but of lower power than DB and Junkers.
Guys its a Junkers Jumo 213, a vary rare engine.
Yeah it's one of the Rarest planes I'm the world only 12 Fw-190D-13s were made so of course the engine is rare.
This was filmed sometime around 1992. The new restoration from a few years ago corrected many things and it now wears its wartime paint colors. It is currently owned by the Flying Heritage Collection and is on display in the Museum of Flight in Seattle. No more engine runs were performed after the new restoration, though it was restored to airworthy standards. It will probably never fly because it's a vary rare long-nose version.
This is the only surviving D-13 when it was still with the Champlain Museum. It was started occasionally but could only idle because of missing engine parts. It's now fully restored (missing parts now added) and is on display at the Flying Heritage Museum. The Allison-engined Flug Werk is in FL being prepped for flight testing.
The most amazing FW made. I could only imagine the rush a German fighter pilot got when he flew this. Even with being outnumbered this thing was so fast that if you flew smart you could get away.
Oh man you can hear that super charger whistle.
many say the Spitfire was the best looking plane during WW2 ,but honestly if the DORA would be a girl,id ask her to marry me
+Heinrich Patan The Langenasen D-9 was the most beautiful of all the fighters, curvy and agile....
+Heinrich Patan I would have agreed with you years ago but the bf 109 with the yellow nose cone is utterly stunning
+Claire Stanfield tempest mkII for me
Also a good looking plane ,for sure
+Heinrich Patan I'm a Messerschmitt guy. The sharp angled canopy, the radiator on the wings, the smoothness of the fuselage, the rudder - everything to me about the 109 is perfection. I'd kill to fly one.
@KenMacMillan
The Bosch inertial starters can be turned by hand (seen here) or with external electric power. This demo was most likely done for the crowd.
Yes, the D version uses an inverted V12. Depending on the sub-model, the D-9 thru D-13 had inverted Jumo 213 while the final D-14 and D-15 models used the DB 603 engine (however very few, if any, D-14 and D-15 were completed in time to see active service) The fuselage and small tail extension were added to adjust the CG for the longer engine.
@MisogiWaAikidoDesu
There are several D-9 projects that are ongoing, so in the upcoming years we will hopefully get to hear a Jumo 213 roar to life. The D-13 in this video was missing an engine control unit and it could only idle. When it was restored again a few years ago, a control unit was found and installed but they did not have time to do any engine runs before it went on display at FHC. And yes, witnessing one of these V12s in person is a jaw-dropping experience.
Wunderschöner Flieger!
Is it ah germam airplane. Is the best
In every combat simulation I fly this machine. it's awesome.
A fly wheel system allowed German aircraft such as this one to operate from remote bases close the the battlefield as the front moved forward. The equipment the ground would use to start the engine wasn't always able to keep up to the pace of the battle.
This aircraft WAS definitely equippted with an electric starter. I don't know why they aren't using the electric starter in this video.
Additional to that:
At the time when this video was filmed the shown aircraft was missing an important part of the motor management and the ignition was not working correctly therefore. As fas as I know, the so called "Kommandogerät" was missing. Otherwise even the cranking-start would have worked better and faster than seen in this video.
DW Gallmann what's interesting is that the Merlin in the early Spitfires had provision for a crank to start, exactly like this and for the same reasons you give above.
This aircraft was restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration. It also exchanged the wings that were placed on the NASM D-9 in error. It was sold to the Flying Heritage Collection museum in Everett, WA and while it was restored to airworthy standard (mostly) it will remain on permanent static display because it is too rare to risk in flight. Several D-9s (some replica) are under construction but it will take years before complete.
god what a gorgeous machine,back when airplanes had soul, yeah fighter planes these days go 10 million miles an hour and have armament that can shoot your left nipple sideways at 60 thousand feet but they all look the same,thank you for posting the video!!
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k boomer lol
This peticular Dora is a D13 formerly owned by Doug Champlain, and is now displayed in the Seattle Meuseum of Flight. It is the most authentic fw 190 in existance after undergoing 2 restorations. It for sure 100percent positively has its original fully runable Jumo 213 engine! Parts are available and several jumo engines are runnable. The White 1 foundation in Kissimme FL is currently restoring a Jumo 213 for their Dora rebuild. Also based there is Stallion 51s Allison powered FlugWerke D9.
The inertial starter, which energizes a flywheel to engage a starter gear. This can be done by hand as seen here for rough field conditions, or electrically with an external power source such as a start cart. Direct starters and batteries were heavy, so inertia starters saved weight. Some Allied aircraft used them as well.
War Thunder should use these sounds
4 years late but they actually do :D
Did they really spool that thing up to full throttle?
Quel beau bruit et quelle belle façon de lancer le moteur ... Une merveille de technologie ! 👍
As thankful as I am , and as cool as the 51s are, that FW is what they went to see. Great video of once adversaries.
It was missing an important engine part, which was replaced in a new restoration a few years ago.
I think it needs an automatic supercharger to startup the engine without spinning the supercharger by these things
The D, high altitude FW, one of my top ww2 planes, a true beauty
Thank you for this video, it s just fabulous...
and thank you to the people who are keeping such a jewel alive...the sound of this german V12 is just fantastic
What a great Vid, thanks for posting it. It's wonderful to see people keeping legends of the sky still alive
The most elegant fighter plane in history
When the Kurt Tank's Fw190 started full production in 1941, Kurt Tank went to the head of the German Air Force(GAF) and asked for permission to design a high altitude version to combat high altitude bombers like the turbo charged B17 and B24. The Fw190 with its radial engine lost power above 20,000 ft and would be ineffective against the B17 and B24. The GAF told him no, so the Fw190d with the high altitude v12 engine wasn't developed until 1944, when it was to late to save the German cities.
GAF??? LUFTWAFFE !!!
Yeah and also Kurt Tank wanted a DB 603 engine and not the Jumo 213. But both seem to have worked fine for the purpose.
What a beautiful machine.
Once a year I watch this video. What a beauty❤
American planes actually used a shot gun shell to start aircraft engines. The German planes used a fly wheel. Thats what you see the mechanics doing, spooling up the fly wheel. It really wasn't a bad start. Very little blue smoke from oil accumulating in the cylinder heads. Its great to hear a plane like this again.
DW Gallmann the poor girl probably was a little cold haha.
LOL oh boy here we go. Ya that is not true for fighters. True for old transports but not WW2 fighters.
True, I think I saw a clip of a Grumman Hellcat being started that way, plus of course, the famous scene in the original Flight of the Phoenix, down to their last cartridge to start the engine...
@@RifullOfTheWest WRONG. Theres a video on youtube of a cartridge start of a Wildcat. Not all planes, but some fighters did have this festure.
@@citadelgrad87 I'm aware of that video. Ive seen it.
Oh those poor mechanics, that stupid laughing every time she doesn't fire the first time...
She is sad that no german start she up ^^
maybe it isnt a original german engine. they have to be very rare. ;)
maybe it isnt a original german engine. they have to be very rare. ;) And i think, turn the Prop in its spinning direction for a few rounds would be help to get oil and so on in the right way... not sure, but there where a procedure for some other plane-engines.
The engine is original. And they are very rare.
FiveCentsPlease
Interesting, thanks. Do you think that the German mechanics back in the day could get it to fire on the first try..?
Inertial start was used on some Allied aircraft as well. Direct start motors were heavy back then, and inertial start was both for weight reduction and for rough field conditions when the optional external electric power for starting was not available.
@cuttlefisch
Yes, it entered service in March 1945 with JG26 and was piloted by Maj. Franz Gotz. It was surrendered on VE-day and was one of the many aircraft used for flight testing by the AAF. When the AAF disposed of it, it was given to a technical school (thankfully not scrapped) in the Atlanta area before being sold to a private owner. It miraculously survived decades of outdoor storage and was finally bought and restored in the 1970s. It was fully restored for a second time recently.
I love this sound... 4:53
But I should have an automatic starter would be less effort for these guys 4:33
The Bosch inertia starters can be energized manually (seen here) or with external electric power. The inertia starter was not unique to German engines and was found on several Allied aircraft including the B-24 as a backup starting method.
Also a backup to the electric starter drives in the Lockheed P-38.
Thats so awesome to hear an original Jumo fire up!
Quelle élégante musique du Jumo 213 et pour la bête féroce et magnifique à la fois!...
If the Germans had this instead of the ME-109 early in the war , the Brits would have been serving Dortmunder on tap in London today .
doubt it; they still had the royal navy to deal with while trying to send troops across the channel on river barges.
@@halowraith1
Rudel wld have had that sorted.☝
sure he would
Well, technical progress was made because both partys forced each other to evolve, right? And the Battle of Britain was not about single planes at all. Merely it was about the lack of long range fighter support and not enough pressuring the right targets. And apart from not being rightly equipped at all, there were other advantages on the British side. For example if a German fighter was shot down over Britain, the pilot was lost in either case, even he survived the landing. British pilots as long as they were not harmed, flew the next day again in a new fighter.
This is pure speculation on your part There were aircraft under development on both sides that would have had accelerated progress if events as you mentioned had taken place the MB-5 and meteor plus better models of the Spitfire and hawker aircraft would have been rushed. Plus the emergency fighters of produced by Miles although slow were cheap to produce and the experimental E 28 jet flew in early 1941 So the Dora threat would have been matched
Dora D13?
Yes, before it was restored for the second time and sold.
This plane is equipped with an electrical starter.
I'm glad that I can give you this information.
In the late 60s at Oshkosh I saw some WW II film footage of them starting Dora and then they used a power cart. Battery tech. was not as good then as now. The person that had the film was Marcel Jurka a former Royal Rumanian Luft pilot on HE 111s. He started the scale fighter movement back in the mid 60s with his Gnatsum version P51 . then did a FW190 and a Spit. His first design was the Tempete then The Sirocco. My dad & I built the a Sirocco. Marcel was one scary guy to fly with !!
wohl will Langnase zurück nach Deutschland, da der Heimweh hat ;-)
Ausgezeichnete Flugzeug!
too rare too unique too much part of History for being kept by cowboys !
Doug Champlin Fighter Museum, dude. Now sold to the Flying Heritage Collection.
yes i know that mostly (rich) american people are keeping in a very good condition these warbirds and antic planes. It just that i feel jalous, why the smithsonian museum is not at Paris ? a shame
thomas P-R
Musée de l'Air in Paris.
threre is one quite unique tandem FW190 at Bourget but no Dora unfortunatly... no Dora left in Europe... yet as some crazy guys may rebuild one ?
thomas P-R
When complete, Germany will have the Lake Schwerin Fw190D-9. This was recovered years ago, but I believe that it suffered deterioration from improper storage. Now it is being rebuilt for static display, although due to completeness it would have been excellent for an airworthy rebuild today. It should be finished soon. There is another Dora in Lake Schwerin, but it disintegrated on impact and is likely in worse shape.
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There is another Dora restoration to airworthy in Belgium. This is a very slow private rebuild, so no date on when it will be finished. Three more Dora projects are for North American owners.
There should be a Fw190A-8 at the Musee de l'Air. The tandem place Fw190 is a trainer modification, but my sources only show one of these at the RAFM at Hendon.
I love her engine's sound. It's so strong!!!!!!
This aircraft has an electrical starter. It was said and explained very detailed several times in this thread. At the time when this video was made the aircraft lacked an important and very advanced part of the motor management.
Maybe they tried to start the aircraft with hand cranking for show reasons, but without the lacking part in the motor it was a difficult task to start the motor.
Once it was started it was only able to idle.
In between the lacking part was found and build into the plane
We Germans built such Planes and the Amerikans are not alle to start them. Thats typical
It was restored in Germany during the 1970s, and they couldn't find all of the correct parts. Now the work has been done over again.
Maybe if us Americans dedicated ourselves better to arts and sciences (as opposed to how big Kim Kardashian's ass may be) we could start up incredible aircraft like that easier.....
We Americans beat your kraut asses in WW2😃🇺🇸
By the way , I’m German-American and my Mom’s cousin flew with the Luftwaffe in Jadgeschwader 77 in an ME-109 . He was an ace .
The Russian soldier did 90% of the work.... pretty boys like Eisenhower and Churchill took all the credit!
machia0705 americans are just "erntehelfer"! ask the russians about the real terrible war in the east! western front is just a "nebenkriegsschauplatz", more then 50 war-declarations against germany and he talks about kicking ass... like rambo ;-)
i wish i knew anything about these old planes this is some of the coolest stuff ive ever seen
I tear just rolled down my face. This was great!
so good to see that cranking up raw!
@chrysanthos66
Inertial starter, essentially a flywheel to engage an engine starter. It could also be spun up electrically. Direct starters for these big engines during that time were heavy, so this saved weight.
@osgood54
It was filmed in 1990 at the Champlin Aviation Museum during a Fighter Aces Symposium. The engine was occasionally ran at idle speed only. Since then, the airplane has been fully restored for a second time and is on display at the Museum of Flight. No more engine runs have been done after the new restoration.
Yes, this airplane languished in outdoor storage for several decades before restoration and the original engine remained with the plane.
What a beautiful aircraft the 190 is I love this aircraft it's my favourite.
Thank you for posting
... A great job - thank you what an outstanding aircraft .... I love it ...
Wow that fw190D is dope!
Ms.Dora is by far an elegant machine never to be replaced in the accolades of aviation history.
@cfs3000
It was missing an engine control part (the Kommandogerat) when this was filmed in 1990 and it could only idle. The missing part was located when it was restored again a few years ago, but no more engine runs were performed before it went on static display.
@jrkepler
The inertial starter could also be turned over electrically. External engine heating was sometimes used by air forces during winter as well.
Fantastic, thanks very vey much for posting this. I'm sure we would all like to see a Dora flying again.
Two of the new Flug Werk A-8/N models have been converted to the long-nose D-9 standard. One is in FL having final prep before test flights using an Allison V12 engine (usable Jumo engines being quite rare and expensive.) I believe the other is being used for a D-9 project in Europe. See the RUclips video for "De Dora van Waasmunster"
@damnonii
Both. They are demonstrating the inertial starter (which can also be turned electrically) and the engine is missing the Kommandogerät control and can only idle. A well-maintained wartime aircraft would probably start easier. The plane was restored again a few years ago and a Kommandogerät was located, but no more engine runs have been performed after rebuild. The plane belongs to a different museum now.
@OLDCROW1962
This engine is the authentic Jumo213, although it was not running well because of missing engine parts and could only idle. The parts were found and the plane was restored for a second time recently, but no more engine runs were done.
However, there is a new-build Fw190D that does have an Allison V-1710 installed, but it has not flown any as of today.
Very sleek and effective design.
I guess this is not going back in the air. It would be amazing to see a Dora flying again. There were rumours that FlugWerke were going to make some 'New build' Dora 9's but Ive heard nothing more of this.
But to see and hear that big Jumo run is sweet indeed.
+ malcolm carter Flugwerk produced three "Dora" series aircraft - one assembled example with an Allison V12 and two more in pieces. The Allison-engined example has never flown and I think was never certified to fly. It's at the museum in Virginia Beach, rumored to be waiting on a Jumo engine and rework but not much happening with it. The other two Flugwerk Doras are being used for projects, but nothing that is moving very fast. At least one Flugwerk Fw-190A owner has also converted their aircraft to Fw-190D standard, also with an Allison engine. There was a nice magazine writeup about it, but no follow-up to my knowledge indicating any testing or flying. The Fw-190D-13 in this video was given a new restoration to correct many things and it is currently in Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Museum as a static display. It is not flown and I agree that it should never be flown because it is the ONLY surviving D-13 in the world. Other Fw-190D examples will eventually fly.
@Dragonryder813
The Bosch Schwungkraftanlasser was not a direct-drive starter, but an inertial starter that could be energized by hand (turning a hand crank) or by 24-volt electric power source. There is a power connector on the fuselage for external power. Direct-drive starters big enough to turn these engines were heavy and this starter saved weight. Inertial starting was used on a number of engines, both German and Allied.
@mrsmelzbad: yes the gear on the 109 is extremely tricky. However, this was done on purpose because the gear folds outward, making the wings lighter instead of having a lot of weight in the wings like a mustang. This helped to make the 109 very agile
It's been pointed out to me that yes, the plane originally had an electric starter. That doesn't change that at the time of this engine start it may not have been installed yet as part of the restore or was not functioning. I am sure if someone could talk to the owners at that time they could clear that up. I plan to go see this plane up in Everett WA this summer, and I'll ask there to see if they know.
@dzdz80
Electric starters with enough direct torque to turn an engine were heavy during WWII, though some were used. Other methods were inertial flywheel (used here) or small explosive cartridge to turn the motor. I believe the inertial starter used here can be turned manually or electrically. In Luftwaffe service it would probably have started much easier, and this one was missing an engine control component. Inertial starters were used by both Allied and Luftwaffe planes.
This is the original Jumo 213 that remained with the aircraft. They aircraft was given to a technical school after the war (instead of being scrapped by the AAF) and later it was bought by a private individual. It remained in outside storage for decades until it was bought by collector Doug Champlain in the early 1970s. Champlain recently sold the plane after new restoration a few years ago.
Yes the Daimler Benz and Junkers engines are hard to obtain, but there are still some out there! There are currently 2 ME109Es and 3 BF109Gs flying with original Daimler Benz 601 and 605 engines respectively. Several Junkers engines are currently runnable, and about half a dozen being rebuilt for FW190D restorations, and for 3 JU88s being restored to airworthy condition. The D9 at Stallion 51 is a new built FLUGWERKE 190D with a modified upright Allison, with a custom exhaust to appear the same
@DrifterToo
The starter flywheel can be energized by hand as seen here, or by external electric power from a power plug on the fuselage side.
Inertia starters, Schwungkraftanlasser, just love them.. They are great on panzers too. 🙂
@GRATZIANI2002
To save weight, many German (and some Allied engines) used a hand-crank inertial flywheel as a starting method. The Jumo 213 has the inertial starter (Schwungkraftanlasser) being used here. With modern technology, you will notice the flying Me109 restorations have added a small electric motor to spin the flywheel for starting.
Awl Derpy The DB engines had the Air-Intake on the left, the Jumo had the Air-Intake on the right side of the plane.
@roald1967
Early flat style canopies had a pulley/spring system to keep the antenna wire tight when the canopy was open. Later blown style canopies did not have the pulley and the wire went slack when opened. Since Fw190s were known to be re-manufactured into later marks, it is possible that a reused early flat canopy could be missing the pulley system. The D9 with a blown style canopy would have the wire slack when open.
watching (and listening) for the 10th time in two years.
The engine is a Jumo 213E, the plane is a D13 variant. Basically its got alot of parts that the TA152/3 would of had. VS10 prop, all weather capable (ish) , big air intake, deleted cowl guns. Very fast plane easy match for the P51 or late model Spitfire.
Beautiful blades, they look like feathers.
Pepe, DB and Jumo motors are rare, but there are a handful that have found their way into restorations. It's not cheap, for instance one DB 601 restoration required finding three donor engines for parts with other missing parts re-manufactured at great expense. There is a learning curve getting the German motors operating again, which is what is happening in restorations today. There are a few special engine shops that offer to rebuild the German motors now. Yes this is a Jumo engine in the vid.
@EnterpriseXI
This plane has not flown since AAF testing. It was bought derelict by Doug Champlin and shipped to Germany for restoration from 1972-1976 by Art Williams, whose wife had contacts in German aerospace. Kurt Tank was still alive and assisted in the rebuild. The engine was restored to running, but missing a key part, so no flights. It was occasionally ran at the museum. A second restoration was done on this plane recently to correct things, but it will not fly and was not ran again.
A Fw200C-3 was raised from Trondheimsfjord in Norway. It broke in half while it was being raised from the water. It is now under restoration for the Technical Museum of Berlin. It is formerly F8+CL from 7./KG40 and was lost on Feb. 22, 1942. This is the only Fw200 that exists.
Handcranking a Focke-Wulf: Priceless
+Automotive 65 The hand-inertia start was available on many aircraft, usually as a backup start method. Faster for Luftwaffe ground crews than connecting start carts for electric power.
Nice video of the lovely fw-190 d and love to go out with the 😍 lovely fw-190 ❤
The engine in this plane is a Jumo 213 E, A DB605 was never fitted to a FW190 for production.
The earlier comment about the OFMC 109 being unreliable was due to the metal the engine was made from rather than the ability of the OFMC to tune it.The bombing raids made late war engine manufacture a very hard practise.. they made what they could with what they could find.
The flying heritage museum in Everett, WA has a fully functional D-13 but they said it'll never be flown because it's literally THE last one of its kind. This footage looks a bit older but it might be the same one. I've seen their eastern front A-5 fly in person but it just isn't the same as these precious late-war 190's
+ Nick Siegfried This is the same D-13 when it was owned by Mr. Champlin and before he had it restored all over again and sold to Flying Heritage. I have the impression that it would need a bit more work to actually be flown safely.
I think you're referring to the Kommandogerät for engine management. It's some kind of early computer that controlled the propeller blades, air / fuel mix, ignition and so on. The pilot only had to move the throttle. Everything else was done automatically.
and I thought my 87' Mercedes Benz was advanced because of that mechanical/electronic fuel control on the bosch K-Jetronic... I'm really impressed that even back in the 40's they had such tech, trully amazing!
That cranking sound reminds me of the old Road Runner cartoons.
these engines are practically as advanced as everything we use in cars today! v12 power!
This moment when americans think their engines and turbos are advanced
@@TheDimistron want to make her powerful?put a German Engine in it!
@TehGav
The missing Kommandogerät controls the mixture and they only ran it at idle. A Kommandogerät was found and installed when it was rebuilt again, but the new owners don't do engine runs.
yes, the Fw190D also known as the long nose, was fitted with the Jumo 213 liquid cooled inverted V12 engine.
The aircraft was fully restored for a second time a few years ago to a higher standard than the original 1970s restoration and given the correct marking based on photos of the aircraft from the war. It was offered for sale and purchased by the Flying Heritage Museum. It's restored to near-airworthy condition but there are no plans to fly it because it is a one-of-a-kind example of the D-13. The restoration team wanted to perform some engine runs, but they were on a deadline to finish.
I knew that the Me 109's were hand cranked but I didn't know the Dora was also. I remember reading an interview with General Rall and him stating how impressed he was with the electric start capabilities of captured American aircraft.