My father what was a fighter pilot during the battle of Britain in 1940 and became an ace at the age 18 that was early in the was he flew hurricanes then transferred too spitfires Early in the war he fought against me-109,s And hinkle 111,s and Stuka JU-87,s later on in the war he had the miss fortune of meeting up with a FW190 over occupied Belgium where he was forced to bail out of his spitfire. He was wounded in this encounter but was lucky that he survived And that he was taken in by a good family and cared for And four weeks later he returned to his squadron that was the day he met the butcher bird he stayed in the Royal Air Force until 1972 My brothers and I Grew up in many different countries of the world . I just wanted too thank you for The fantastic history that you share on your channel keep up the great work and thank you .
The Flying Heritage and Combat Armor museum dont fly the FW 190 D13 because its the only one left in the world. They are currently assembling their restored Ju-87 Stuka and restoring an Me-262 with refurbished engine parts to make it more reliable. Both will fly soon.
@@cartersmith8560 The museum considers the D-13 as a single example and too rare to fly and I agree with that. It was restored again several years ago and this corrected many things and located missing parts. A lot of people describe it as "airworthy" but I never saw any indication that the engine was fully gone over well enough and bench tested to certify it for flight. There are other long-nose Dora projects but nothing that will fly any time soon.
@Jon Borry The Fw-190 is the only airworthy example in the world (at this time) but not not the last example. There are others which could be returned to airworthy condition. There are two flyable IL-2 now, the second completed by the same Russian workshop. (And there is a third IL-2 lake recovery they will be restored.) The D-13 is the only surviving D-13. Plus I don't think it was actually fully restored to flyable condition but very close. I have no problem with it staying on the ground. Funny that two Fw190D projects were available within the last 10 years, and FHCAM could have gotten a Dora project to build a flying example with a realistic chance of finishing the project. I am also surprised that the museum has not sought a Bf-109G for the collection.
The 190 "long nose" is one of my favorite aircraft. What I really look forward to, though, is the restoration of the JU-87 Stuka. I would love to see it fly at an air show. They could reproduce the infamous screaming dive sirens that terrified Europe for the first half of the war.
@@paulhicks6667 Indeed. With enemy fighters in the area they desperately needed fighter escort while operating which couldn't be provided because of the Bf 109s limited fuel capacity.
LivingInTheLimeligh7 The NASM has done some work on the Ta-152. The wooden sections were starting to rot so they have started repairs. They also discovered that the AAF modified the wooden tail with steel plate to make it stronger over concerns of poor quality glues. So they had to research and rebuild the tail back to original German specifications. I agree that it would be nice to see the restoration make more progress, but the NASM is also researching it.
Pascal Chauvet What makes the Focke-Wulf "long-nose" 190D so special is that it actually was a makeshift solution. The high altitude performance of the original 190 with the radial engine left much to be desired, a problem that was never really solved. So it as a logical step to replace it by a V-12 engine like the Daimler-Benz 605 which powered the Messerschmitt BF190 G and K series and offered much better high altitud performance. Unfortunately there were not enough of thes DB 605 engines available, so Kurt Tank (responsible for the 190's development) was instrutcted to use the Junkers Jumo 213 V-12 engine which was a bomber engine used on the Junkers Ju88. Supposably Tank did not like the heavier Jumo 213 engine but he had no choice. Despite Tank's dislike of the Jumo 213 engine the Focke-Wulf 190D was actually a very good fighter aircraft, similar in performance to the P-51 Mustang. In the late stages of the war many of the available Focke-Wulf 190D were used to protect Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter aircraft when they were most vulnerable, during takeoff and landing. These 190D wer painted bright red on the underside to avoid being shot down by the own FLAK. I can only think of one WW2 aircraft being a similar makeshift solution and still having much success in operations: The Bristol Beaufighter. Its predecessor was the underpowered Bristol Beaufort Torpedo Bomber, incapable of maintaining height on one engine. Bristol took the Beaufort's wings, mated it to much more powerful Bristol Hercules sleeve-valve engines, designed a new fuselage and there it was, the Beaufighter multi-role combat aircraft used as night fighter, naval bomber, torpedo bomber, etc. Yet in the beginning there was an interim solution within the interim solution. At first the powerful Bristol Hercules radial engines were not available. With Britain desperately in need for a capable night fighter aircraft, according to Bill Gunston in his book "The development of piston aero engines", Rolls-Royce and Morris Motors worked day and night to develop a Merlin "power egg" engine installation with integrated chin radiator which made possible the Bristol Beaufighter II night fighter. While this was underpowered because it had been designed for the more powerful Bristol Hercules and soon was replaced in service, its self-contained "power egg" engine intallation made possible the AVRO Lancaster because only minimal changes were necessary to fit these on the Lancaster wing. So, how about putting a Bristol Beaufighter on display next to the Focke-Wulf 190D?
Thank you so much for posting this. I visited Yellow 10 twice the last two years - I always liked the looks and performance of the D9, and the D13 is even better. Alas we probably won't see her started up ever again, but at least there is this video and another from back when she was owned by Mr. Champlin.
Such a menacing looking a/c even on the ground. Too rare to fly, but such a shame to be a hangar queen. My favorite axis a/c, the whole FW family, Kurt Tank- You built a great plane!
Well thank you so much for your answer. I find it difficult to imagine the situation on the fighter airfields in the late stages of the war, with fuel shortages, constant allied attacks etc., and mechanics running around with a brush and cans of paint to follow RLM camo directives as if this could have changed anything on the course of the war. I guess that men under extreme stress just do what they are told to do, firm orders providing a certain amount of security
Love that fw190 Dora what a beautiful aircraft it is the bf 109 is a nice aircraft to wish I had a Dora just even just to sit in it and look at it dreams are free.
Fw190's were amazing! Have always loved them like the Spit and the Stang. _b
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I used to fly in from Davis Monthan aero club and spend a day there with my friends. One Time Pappy Boyington was signing autographs and telling stories. He was a character and I enjoyed briefly speaking with him. Doug Champlin's museum was an incredible walk through time. That was in 1979.
The kids that told their families they were off to be fighter pilots, yet never got closer than flying that crankrod for the flywheel. Also you just know that in the haste of air attacks there were starter buttons pressed before the rod was clear; smashed arms and all. Always thought Model T owners had similar tales of woe. Beautiful craft she is, Dora.
Franz Stigler, Luftwaffe hero. He helped and guided the shredded B-17 "Outhouse Mouse" through Germany and to the safety of allied airspace from which it made a crash landing on UK soil.
+A Shore I think you mean the Do-335. The AAF tested the D-9 series and got 413 mph at max throttle at 20,000 feet. The D-13 had a little more power so it could have pushed a little faster.
+nightjarflying That big paddle-blade prop on the D-13 made a difference biting the air at high altitude. That prop is still missing from the current restoration.
Thanks. I think the standard wartime FW 190 D-13/R11 probably rarely [or never] achieved the speeds I indicated under operational conditions: inferior or rare spares & sub-standard variable quality [dirty] oil & fuel.
@@mariannepompa4152 there is a story that when Kurt Tank went to test fly a Ta152, during the flight he was spotted by 3 P51D's Mustang's. All he did was open the throttle with MW50 and left them for dead. Out run the Mustang's. I agree Ta152 is the next level fighter.
+ Kristina Rain It was started near the end of the video. Because the engine was missing an important part, starting was difficult and it could only idle. The plane was refreshed about a decade ago and the missing parts located but it was never started again and sold to new owners.
soaringtractor germans could've mass produced their Me262 which would be the best fighters at the time and they'd still lose. They were overnumbered by several factors. You are right that Allies had better pilots, they had much longer training before getting into battle as opposed to Germans who were desperate and let Trainees fly. IMO the result of WW2 could've been predicted in 1941. It's the year which doomed Hitler and his insane plan. Failure to stop British soldiers in Dunkirk plus failed invasion of USSR. Either one, if Germans had won, would've changed the history entirely. IMO the world was walking on the edge of catastrophy in 1941, both were caused by Hitler's and his allies' incopetence.
amy pilots flew 5 missions over germany (most of the allied pilots never saw a german airplane) and then they returned home to amerika, in germany you had to fly to death or glory, mission for misson! and now say one more time by better pilots... germany hat the quality and amys the quantity... quantity wins! you got the ressources, got the massive numbers, the allies... (without the soviets they were never been able to invade europa) and thats why america wins the war and not because of better pilots or equipment
@@mathiasrryba Germany had thousands of Aces. The best U.S. Fighter get just 40 victorys. That is nothing if you compare it with german fighter pilots.
It's the early variants of the Bf-109, I could tell by the nose. The fw-190 might be the second or third variants looking at the MG on the wing, early fw only have four 7,92 and two 20 mm. The fw I see has supposed to be four 20 mm, so it might be a second or third variant
+Timo Tius The Bf-109 was actually a Spanish Buchon that the owner had rebuilt to look like a Bf-109E. And the Fw-190 is a vary rare, late-war D-13 and is the only D-13 example left.
Have seen it several times, absolutely the most spectacular fighter plane of the second world war - would've loved to have been there on an occasion when they started it up. Fantastic piece of history. Also got to see the unrestored on the Smithsonian had at their Silver Hill storage site ages ago, don't know if it's been restored since or not, but it was great seeing it still wearing its original faded WWII paint and markings.
+nachtjager77 The Dora with Smithsonian was preserved back in the 1970s, I believe, and is on loan to the USAF Museum. It is a little rough around the edges and I think that it needs another trip through the restoration shop to bring it up to contemporary standards. Although I doubt that will be a priority any time soon. ruclips.net/video/pbQVdx5PvOk/видео.html
Yep, have seen that one several times. I was confused on the designation the one the Smithsonian still has - it's actually a legit Ta-152H and is apparently still sitting at their Silver Hill, Maryland storage facility. Got my curiosity up when I looked at your linked video - have seen that one at Dayton for years. The one in Maryland, in my humble opinion, should be left alone as it's still wearing its original WWII paint, but, they say they're going to restore it. But, then again, it looked exactly like this about fifteen or eighteen years ago when I saw it, so obviously, they're not moving real fast or taking it as a priority. They also had the Arado float plane off the Prinz Eugen in there, and the Gotha 229 flying wing, which was in awful shape, but once again, I don't think the Gotha should be restored, just reassembled and left in its original 1945 paint. Thanks for the link.
+nachjager77 The example in the USAF Museum is a D-9 owned by the Smithsonian. The Ta-152 that is with the Smithsonian has had several layers of paint since it was captured, and this was typical for those planes while they were with the British and the AAF. The Smithsonian will have to sand down through the layers to document the original paint and repaint it when they finally get around to restoring it. If the plane had been in service for a very long time, the Smithsonian would also sand and document each layer of paint that would have been applied by the Luftwaffe. The AAF actually modified the tail of the Ta-152 with steel plate because they thought that the tail would break off in flight. So I am sure that the Smithsonian is having to undo those modifications to return the Ta-152 back to original condition. The Ho-229 prototype was not even fully complete when it was captured and some work and assembly was done after the Allies had it. The paint is just a junk layer that was put on by the AAF. It would be better to see it down to wood or the green fireproof paint that would have been applied at the factory. But the Smithsonian will probably preserve that fake paint job as part of its history.
+@dancahilli8555 It's a really Spanish Buchon that Doug Champlin had rebuilt to look like a Bf-109E, and using a DB-605 engine. It is not flyable and now it is in the Museum of Flight in Seattle.
@@FiveCentsPlease Thanks for your prompt reply, Five. I had an idea but in the meanwhile realized I was remembering an "F" model that the RAF sent to Vultee for study/analysis in 1941. Ergo I was wondering what became of it, at least in the dim back of mind recesses.
+Alfa Won Hand inertia start or external power cart (anlasswagen) were available for starting: lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d1OqVr4pvaY/Uqon9iemriI/AAAAAAAABIw/idEqxf189v0/w814-h430-no/Messerschmitt-Me-410-Hornisse-%2528-%252BOM%2529-01.jpg
Im just having a bit of fun FiveCentsPlease. Well aware the 190 was an equal to the Mustang and Thunderbolt. Adolf Garland said in his autobiography the 190 was a very capapble aircraft to match the Mustang. But they were just too few of them and always outnumbered many times by Mustangs and Thunderbolts constantly shooting at them everywhere they went.
Alfa Won Yes. It's s shame that so few Doras survive, but at least the are a handful of projects with the potential to bring one or two to flight sometime in the distant future. It took many years before any Bf-109s flew and in few years we could see around 12 to 15 flying examples worldwide, so hopefully the Fw190 will follow. New 3D manufacturing technologies should make restoration and manufacture of missing parts much faster and cheaper soon.
Watched this again and noticed that the gal in the cockpit is cute. Didn't see her the last time I viewed it. It was the guys cranking away on the hand starting system.
On that 109-D with the handcrank. Hell I would've made up an electric auxiliary starter that fit the handcrank Armature. Set it up so it's got to sets of handgrips and pull the trigger.
Seriously wonder if the Luftwaffe bomber and Stuka-pilots was sickly envious of the few lucky fellas who were picked for fighter pilot training? Imagine to fly a ME109 or a FW190 and (for the most part) decide your own fate in combat.
@cody sonnet Simply untrue. The Fw190Ds and Bf109Ks had respectable engine performance but were not as fast as the P51 and P47. At 21,000 ft the P51D could reach 445mph (715kph). The P47D could reach about 430 mph (695 kph). The Fw190D, equipped for maximum engine performance (which not all were, there were many variant), but the D-9 as you mentioned could manage 426 mph. The 109G (most common 109 variant, even in 1945), could reach 400 mph at 20,500ft. The 109k is unusual in that it has 440 mph "maximum emergency speed", which is faster than a P47. However, the "maximum combat speed" of the 109K is 415mph. The only German propeller aircraft faster than late-war American props were the Ta152 and Dornier 335. The 335 was an experimental plane and never used in combat. The Ta152 was produced in very small numbers and was uncommon. The P51 and P47 were heavier than the 109G/K models and 190A/D. The differences in speed would become even greater in a dive. These are just numbers. In combat it's very unlikely all aircraft are traveling at the aforementioned top speeds, so it isn't a fully reliable measure of combat speeds but is telling nonetheless. The Luftwaffe in 1945 was a shell of what it was in 1940; Luftwaffe pilots were often new, inexperienced, and outnumbered. According to allied accounts, German pilots would often bail out a few minutes into air combat or when an allied aircraft was on their tail. My point is... there were no axis propeller planes outracing allied aircraft. Only the Me262 was capable of such a task.
@@willykaranikolas2391 so if you say the Ta 152H and the Do 335 was the fastest props in the war why did you say only the Me 262 beat US props in speed ?
@@xx_lightning_xx5781 Because the Do 335 was never once used in combat (it did outrun a Hawker Tempest during one it's test flights, but was never armed). As for the Ta152, an extremely limited number of them ever saw service. The early prototypes had a lot of problems, and the Ta152 H-1 did not reach Luftwaffe squadrons until January/February of 1945.... As for it's combat record, its believed to have achieved 7 air kills in exchange for 4 shot down; telling of how little service it actually saw in comparison to 109s and 190s. Both these propeller aircraft were very very rare; the Do335 wasn't even used, and the chances of allied pilots encountering a 152 are negligible in this discussion. So yes, aside from the very few 152s, the 262 was the only thing outrunning allied aircraft in late-war.
For a short time the Messerschmitt flew beside the bomber. Then it slid away, above and behind. Brown waited for the gunfire that must mean the end of Ye Olde Pub. Nothing happened. He realized to his astonishment that the German fighter was flying escort on the B-17. As they crossed the coastline and flew out over the North Sea the fighter remained on station. Only when they were well out from the German coast did the fighter slide in again, close to the bomber. Brown looked across - the German pilot looked back at him, raised a gloved hand in salute and then swung his aircraft away, back towards the east.
Both camouflage schemes of the D 13 shown look fantastic. I would probably prefer the latter, the mottled one I mean, because it represents the makeshift solution used very late in the war when the Reich was already crumbling
I remember seeing this FW 190 at that museum, would have been around 1990, and I was dissapointed it was the inline engine and not the radial; THEN I read the book FW 190 in combat and the story of how the designer was delivering one the new planes, glad that it had no ammo in it, since he was a civilian, and was very light, when jumped on take off by US P-51's - he hit the throttle stick and watched the Mustangs shrink in the rearview mirror and dsiiappear - it could out run angry diving P-51's from a standing start!
Hello Judy, Sorry to hear of Jerry's passing. I had no idea. I enjoyed his company while he was at Gosshawk helping with the masking. We have met also, as you were there at the time. I can't find where it was claimed that Jerry had painted it, all I know was that it was the day after he was helping out, it was on your website saying he was painting Yellow 10 1 to 1 scale. I am a member of many WWII Forums that have asked me when I mention Yellow 10 if Jerry painted it because they had read it was or had seen the same web content. I don't see it on your site now but I know it was there. I only came across your website again because I was looking at the engine run video that was done in 1990 and your site is at the end of it. Nowhere in this clip mentions Jerry painting it, other than airbrushing the scratches when it was moved. I didn't mean my comment to upset you, so if it did then please forgive me. All the best to you, Steve (Now back in England)
Steve; thank you for the condolences. No, I'm not upset, but thanks for asking. So apparently the fact that he painted it has been removed from the site. Perhaps at the time, Jerry mentioned it and it was removed. Are you okay with this now? Or do you want me to re-word something? ... Judy
Well my name was that of many when you came around so it's easy to forget. I would like to keep in touch even if to just catch up on things. @@judycrandall3983
+The Butterman Inertia starter. Yes basically a flywheel with a starter dog gear to engage the engine. They are found on many aircraft (not just German) for weight savings and as a backup start method. Some can be operated electrically or by hand.
I am not pilot....nor ground crew..Saw and air show in hometown in 74' fantastic then..many old warbirds!! amazing to see the machines..feel their sound...our airport trained norwegians in war.Emsdale Airport in thirties..forties...Watching this old officer warriors and wives have chance to sit in machines of their youth giving time to country is amazing!! America loves technology!! war long over.....survivors sharing good times and memories...healing!! the effecient german engineering and manufacturing of their craft is amazing! Static displays are wonderful but there is nothing like a Living experience to those youth and elders whom remember these today! thank you for this video!
that last plane is not what i think is a D-13 becuse the only surviving D-13 has a green spinner and has a green/white camoflage on it. It is located on a museum in Britain and is the only one left i think so i belive that the one that they show in the video is a D-9 or D-12 Correct me if im wrong
How does this system work? They are cranking the inertial starter, but I hear that there is also an electric starter that the pilot tried to engage multiple times on the third try.
Do you have the original engines or is it "fake" refits? The 109 clearly had enough of Operation Sea Lion attempts. Nah, a-aa, naa no more! xD D13 sounds like an original to me. So magestic, beautiful and powerful it is! Wish I could see one! Regards
+ Bumble BOB The D-13 is original with a Jumo 213 engine. This particular Bf-109 was a Buchon that has been converted to a Bf-109E. The conversion was done a very long time ago and at the time they could not find a DB-601 engine so they used DB -605.
Wonderful. The question is, was this type of camouflage directly from the factory or is there some probability that it could have been applied in the field?
+Pascal Chauvet Hard to get a definitive answer on the camouflage. It is a very late war series aircraft and it is possible that there was a new RLM directive to standardize the camo. This is suggested by a still from a color 8mm film of a railroad car of D-13 engines painted in the same mottled pattern directly from the factory. Or it could have been improvised in the field to match the factory engine cowling. Author Jerry Crandall is the highest expert on this specific aircraft and has written several books on the D series.
A travesty that this beauty will never take to the air again, I would love to hear a jumo 213 at full power in the air! Same goes for the last survivng me 410 in UK with its DB 603s
+Robinson K There are two or three D-9 projects around with the goal of flying one day, but don't expect anything soon. It's doubtful that a 410 will ever fly again unless a wreck is found in private hands. (There is a Bf-110 wreck with potential.) The Dora can use either the Jumo 213 or the DB 603 with a few mods so I'm curious if anyone is considering that option, especially with the FlugWerk A-8 replicas.
FiveCentsPlease its a shame, since I really like the me 410, its a beautiful heavy fighter. I have heard that there are some Doras under restoration but will these use the original jumo or Db 603 engines or just these lame allison v 12s?
+@michaelwhalen2442 They have a flywheel inertia starter that can be operated by hand or with an electric starter. Inertia starters were found on quite a few aircraft.
I have done some research into engines, etc. the reason it didn't start , was that the procedure for prop aircraft starting was to manually turn over the engine,(ignition OFF) with the prop, 15 blades (3 turns) to oil and clear the cylinders, then start with the inertia or other starter, some engines even needed a second engine, to warm up the oil, and run the lube pumps before you could even turn it over ( oil was that viscus, and needed to lube the engine so it wouldn't seize!). look under " Zenos WARBIRDS" channel, shows how B-17's, etc. worked, were flown, etc.
Seems like a lot of people are confused about the speed of this aircraft. No, it was not faster than the P51 and P47. The 190D was recorded as reaching 426mph at about 21,000ft, slower than both the P51 and P47. Furthermore, USAAF tests of the D-9 recorded a max of 413mph at 20,000ft. For comparison, the P51D and P-47D could go 444 mph and 430 mph respectively. These are just the combat-ready models, experimental versions could go even faster (the XP-47J actually reached 505mph, for example).
This fantastic jumo (junkers motor) has more thank 2000 horse Power. The air plane was build in Cottbus /brandenburg, There i am living. The Name of the plane was also long nose.
+Antoine Roy The Allies had a drill-type tool to turn their inertial starters if needed. I'm not sure if the Luftwaffe had a similar tool. i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/83sAAOSwirZTv1kP/$_1.JPG The German inertial starters could be turned by hand or electrically with a power source.
Of the series of german airplanes this one takes the top of the performance class,and it was a nasty fighter airplane to be dealt with. There are not very many of these flying examples left anywhere in the world now.
I don't understand why they didn't crank up Bf 109 and I wasn't aware that it was installed an electric starter and I'm quite suspicious about the propeller blades as it was originally fitted with the narrow toothpick blades! Anyway both are magnificent airplanes....
+Paolo Viti The German starters could also be operated electrically. This Bf-109E was originally a Spanish Buchon, one of the early examples made from German supplied parts. Doug Champlin bought it in the early 1970s along with the Fw190D-13 and had both shipped to Germany where Art Williams restored both. The Bf-109 is a bit of a hybrid being a Buchon and reversed backwards to a Bf-109E. Champlin could not find a DB-601 in the 1970s so he used a DB-605 instead. The Bf-109E is now with the Museum of Flight in Seattle. The Fw-190D-13 was restored again and is now a static display at Paul Allen's museum.
@@FiveCentsPlease thanks for replying and yes you have clarified pretty well regarding this hybrid Me 109. I didn't know that the DB 605 could fit in the tightly cowled space but the oil cooler seems to be the original version. Doesn't matter: the importance that it is good hands....
Could someone explain that cranking business to me? Did German WW2 ground crews have to crank a dynamo to power an electric starter? If so, it looks like the dynamo was really heavy. And if the dynamo was actually that heavy wouldn't a battery or a Koffman starter have been lighter or a ground Auxillary Power Unit have been more convenient?
Inertia starter found on many aircraft, including some Allied and Japanese. It can be used as a primary or back-up emergency start and it saved weight. Energize a flywheel that engages a starter dog gear. The Bosch starters can be wound up by hand by ground mechanics or electrically with a power source. The German aircraft have power ports to connect an external generator for power if needed.
Gillus Magnus It's not huge. The starter dog to engage the engine is on the left. www.rc-network.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=797892&d=1332672075
How many Joules or watt-hours might have been fed into the flywhell by those two guys? Let's say they give in 300 watts together, for about 40 seconds. These are nearly 3 large calories of energy. Not that much to start that huge engine. There are so many disgustingly fat people in the states, it would have been a good exercise for each of them, but they sent sent the skinniest guy up there, they where able to find. The sort the prop wind nearly blows away.
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My father what was a fighter pilot during the battle of Britain in 1940 and became an ace at the age 18 that was early in the was he flew hurricanes then transferred too spitfires
Early in the war he fought against me-109,s
And hinkle 111,s and Stuka JU-87,s later on in the war he had the miss fortune of meeting up with a FW190 over occupied Belgium where he was forced to bail out of his spitfire.
He was wounded in this encounter but was lucky that he survived And that he was taken in by a good family and cared for And four weeks later he returned to his squadron that was the day he met the butcher bird he stayed in the Royal Air Force until 1972 My brothers and I
Grew up in many different countries of
the world .
I just wanted too thank you for The fantastic history that you share on your channel keep up the great work and thank you .
The Flying Heritage and Combat Armor museum dont fly the FW 190 D13 because its the only one left in the world.
They are currently assembling their restored Ju-87 Stuka and restoring an Me-262 with refurbished engine parts to make it more reliable. Both will fly soon.
I think that D 13 has a problem with the propeller pitch mechanism that makes it unsafe to fly
@@cartersmith8560 The museum considers the D-13 as a single example and too rare to fly and I agree with that. It was restored again several years ago and this corrected many things and located missing parts. A lot of people describe it as "airworthy" but I never saw any indication that the engine was fully gone over well enough and bench tested to certify it for flight. There are other long-nose Dora projects but nothing that will fly any time soon.
@Jon Borry The Fw-190 is the only airworthy example in the world (at this time) but not not the last example. There are others which could be returned to airworthy condition.
There are two flyable IL-2 now, the second completed by the same Russian workshop. (And there is a third IL-2 lake recovery they will be restored.)
The D-13 is the only surviving D-13. Plus I don't think it was actually fully restored to flyable condition but very close. I have no problem with it staying on the ground. Funny that two Fw190D projects were available within the last 10 years, and FHCAM could have gotten a Dora project to build a flying example with a realistic chance of finishing the project.
I am also surprised that the museum has not sought a Bf-109G for the collection.
@@FiveCentsPlease I believe there is an FW190D at the US Air Force Museum.
@@TomKirkman1 Yes, on loan from Smithsonian collection.
The 190 "long nose" is one of my favorite aircraft. What I really look forward to, though, is the restoration of the JU-87 Stuka. I would love to see it fly at an air show. They could reproduce the infamous screaming dive sirens that terrified Europe for the first half of the war.
They terrified trough all the war.
Specialy on The eastern front,where they fight until the end of the war as tank Killers.
@@paulhicks6667 Indeed. With enemy fighters in the area they desperately needed fighter escort while operating which couldn't be provided because of the Bf 109s limited fuel capacity.
As far as I'm concerned, World War II was the pinnacle of aviation design in terms of matching beauty and performance.
Ahem...f-22 would be a noticeable exception
Thing looks badass
@@Ironpine27 fair enough
Always had a soft spot for the F-16
@@Kay_213_ only the f22?
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The Dora was the coolest the Germans ever made, I really wish there were a few more around so we could see some flying.
A few rebuilds are coming, but still some years away.
Potentially, there are three airworthy projects in North America and one in Europe. All are slow projects and years from finished.
What I'd really like to see is the TA-152 restored. If not flying, then atleast to a static display. Although that would be really cool
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The NASM has done some work on the Ta-152. The wooden sections were starting to rot so they have started repairs. They also discovered that the AAF modified the wooden tail with steel plate to make it stronger over concerns of poor quality glues. So they had to research and rebuild the tail back to original German specifications. I agree that it would be nice to see the restoration make more progress, but the NASM is also researching it.
i think so/
how cool it is
How neat that prior Luftwaffe pilots and a wife could experience the cockpit of a vintage aircraft.
That plane is so beautiful its the Ferrari of the props
Alfred Conqueror I would consider what you said an insult to the plane
But yes it is beautiful
And the 109 E is like the retro/classical one
I'd rather have a Tempest.
@@NoTaboos I'd rather possesed all WW2 planes
Nah mate. That'd be the Fiat G.56. Much sleeker and good looking than a FW.
THE Wolfgang Falck? The BF110 nightfighter pilot? Awesome.
That D-13 was flown by Franz Gotz of JG26 just before the surrender.
Pascal Chauvet
What makes the Focke-Wulf "long-nose" 190D so special is that it actually was a makeshift solution. The high altitude performance of the original 190 with the radial engine left much to be desired, a problem that was never really solved.
So it as a logical step to replace it by a V-12 engine like the Daimler-Benz 605 which powered the Messerschmitt BF190 G and K series and offered much better high altitud performance. Unfortunately there were not enough of thes DB 605 engines available, so Kurt Tank (responsible for the 190's development) was instrutcted to use the Junkers Jumo 213 V-12 engine which was a bomber engine used on the Junkers Ju88. Supposably Tank did not like the heavier Jumo 213 engine but he had no choice.
Despite Tank's dislike of the Jumo 213 engine the Focke-Wulf 190D was actually a very good fighter aircraft, similar in performance to the P-51 Mustang. In the late stages of the war many of the available Focke-Wulf 190D were used to protect Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter aircraft when they were most vulnerable, during takeoff and landing. These 190D wer painted bright red on the underside to avoid being shot down by the own FLAK.
I can only think of one WW2 aircraft being a similar makeshift solution and still having much success in operations: The Bristol Beaufighter. Its predecessor was the underpowered Bristol Beaufort Torpedo Bomber, incapable of maintaining height on one engine. Bristol took the Beaufort's wings, mated it to much more powerful Bristol Hercules sleeve-valve engines, designed a new fuselage and there it was, the Beaufighter multi-role combat aircraft used as night fighter, naval bomber, torpedo bomber, etc.
Yet in the beginning there was an interim solution within the interim solution. At first the powerful Bristol Hercules radial engines were not available. With Britain desperately in need for a capable night fighter aircraft, according to Bill Gunston in his book "The development of piston aero engines", Rolls-Royce and Morris Motors worked day and night to develop a Merlin "power egg" engine installation with integrated chin radiator which made possible the Bristol Beaufighter II night fighter.
While this was underpowered because it had been designed for the more powerful Bristol Hercules and soon was replaced in service, its self-contained "power egg" engine intallation made possible the AVRO Lancaster because only minimal changes were necessary to fit these on the Lancaster wing.
So, how about putting a Bristol Beaufighter on display next to the Focke-Wulf 190D?
As soon as Falck sits in the cockpit you can see on his face the hundreds of memories coming back through his mind.
just saw this in Seattle last week - amazing - in real life it's beautiful engineering - and amazing story (bought the book - fabulous)
Thank you so much for posting this. I visited Yellow 10 twice the last two years - I always liked the looks and performance of the D9, and the D13 is even better. Alas we probably won't see her started up ever again, but at least there is this video and another from back when she was owned by Mr. Champlin.
3:01 Franz Stigler....hats off and a big salute to you Mr.!!
+Bora Rossi the man in the middle right?
Happy Aye! That's the man.
Bora Rossi yeah i did see it right :D
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its amazing watching these men get into the cockpit once again........ i couldnt imagine what that felt like for them..... incredible
ca l was the first one a man? 😳
Such a menacing looking a/c even on the ground. Too rare to fly, but such a shame to be a hangar queen. My favorite axis a/c, the whole FW family, Kurt Tank- You built a great plane!
I think it's one of my favourite airframes of all time- but take comfort in the fact that no one will ever crash it, either ;)
bob dyer would be nice to see the high altitude TA-152H flying
Well thank you so much for your answer. I find it difficult to imagine the situation on the fighter airfields in the late stages of the war, with fuel shortages, constant allied attacks etc., and mechanics running around with a brush and cans of paint to follow RLM camo directives as if this could have changed anything on the course of the war. I guess that men under extreme stress just do what they are told to do, firm orders providing a certain amount of security
Very important historical examples, thank you so much Mr.Crandall
Wow...that scary 190 " Langnase " is awesome !!!
Die Focke Wulf 190 D-Serie ist mit eine der schönsten und Stärksten ❤ War Birds, die je gebaut wurden.
i have Falck´s book....amazing man. One of the first when new Luftwaffe was formed.
Love that fw190 Dora what a beautiful aircraft it is the bf 109 is a nice aircraft to wish I had a Dora just even just to sit in it and look at it dreams are free.
Fw190's were amazing! Have always loved them like the Spit and the Stang. _b
I used to fly in from Davis Monthan aero club and spend a day there with my friends. One Time Pappy Boyington was signing autographs and telling stories. He was a character and I enjoyed briefly speaking with him. Doug Champlin's museum was an incredible walk through time. That was in 1979.
Wolfgang Falck, a true gentleman.
I miss that air museum. The Dora and the F2G Corsair were always my favorites to see there.
Aahhh, the sound of history, and a sweet sound it is...Beautiful, seductive, beguiling, and LETHAL! Love the 190D series, and TA-152!
I imagine it’s been a long time since these “Elder Eagles” sat in a fighter cockpit.
I love all Bf 109s. My favourite is the f without cannon in gondolas under the wings.
Mine to is the f 109 beautiful looking aircraft.
The kids that told their families they were off to be fighter pilots, yet never got closer than flying that crankrod for the flywheel. Also you just know that in the haste of air attacks there were starter buttons pressed before the rod was clear; smashed arms and all. Always thought Model T owners had similar tales of woe. Beautiful craft she is, Dora.
Franz Stigler, Luftwaffe hero. He helped and guided the shredded B-17 "Outhouse Mouse" through Germany and to the safety of allied airspace from which it made a crash landing on UK soil.
Pretty sure it was "Ye Olde Pub" that Franz Stigler helped/spared
Heck those planes are older than me, and I have a hard time getting started I the mornings!
That WW2 must've been terrifying! I'm just glad no one got hurt.
these people preserve living history , respect 👍👍👍
What a beauty that fw 190 Dora is it's my fav of all love to see one flying it's one nice looking aircraft.
Kurt Tank designed a couple of beauties - both of the FW-190's and also the Ta-152 high altitude fighter are in my Top 10 WWII airplane list.
that thing could hit almost 470mph in level flight! amazing since its as fast as most modern business jets.
+A Shore I think you mean the Do-335. The AAF tested the D-9 series and got 413 mph at max throttle at 20,000 feet. The D-13 had a little more power so it could have pushed a little faster.
FW 190 D-13/R11:- 426 mph at 21,655 ft/ 440 mph at 37,000 ft
+nightjarflying That big paddle-blade prop on the D-13 made a difference biting the air at high altitude. That prop is still missing from the current restoration.
Thanks. I think the standard wartime FW 190 D-13/R11 probably rarely [or never] achieved the speeds I indicated under operational conditions: inferior or rare spares & sub-standard variable quality [dirty] oil & fuel.
It's kinda cool, when Frau Falck was born in 1943, that fighter was defending the Reich.
Jack Aubrey: yeah, very cool. Who are you little prick defending ? Mr. Trump and his 1.Reich ?
@@stranraerwal Why did you got so salty ?
Yes, these wrinkled old guys climbed back into the past, and it's sobering to imagine what they remembered, and the relief that they lived through it.
FW190D is an awesome aircraft one of Kurt Tank's finest. Someone needs to get one flying.
+MaxRPM None of the two or three Fw-190D projects out there are moving very fast to fly soon.
The best piston engine of all in world war two. Focke-Wulf Ta 152
@@mariannepompa4152 there is a story that when Kurt Tank went to test fly a Ta152, during the flight he was spotted by 3 P51D's Mustang's. All he did was open the throttle with MW50 and left them for dead. Out run the Mustang's. I agree Ta152 is the next level fighter.
The Dora was beautiful, but I prefer the fw190a 'Wurger' with it's stockier 'large-headed' shape. Exactly like the bird it's named after
An impressive Old'Lady, ty for sharing
Fantastic video.Thanks for sharing!!
The Bf-109 is an E4-version, who fought in 1940 and early 1941 in the Battle of Britain.
Aircraft startup Video is almost over
So do they actually start it up...?
+ Kristina Rain It was started near the end of the video. Because the engine was missing an important part, starting was difficult and it could only idle. The plane was refreshed about a decade ago and the missing parts located but it was never started again and sold to new owners.
Focke Wulf FW-190 is the best fighter airplane in World War II
All kinds of 190's ... those were real killers...
soaringtractor germans could've mass produced their Me262 which would be the best fighters at the time and they'd still lose. They were overnumbered by several factors. You are right that Allies had better pilots, they had much longer training before getting into battle as opposed to Germans who were desperate and let Trainees fly. IMO the result of WW2 could've been predicted in 1941. It's the year which doomed Hitler and his insane plan. Failure to stop British soldiers in Dunkirk plus failed invasion of USSR. Either one, if Germans had won, would've changed the history entirely. IMO the world was walking on the edge of catastrophy in 1941, both were caused by Hitler's and his allies' incopetence.
amy pilots flew 5 missions over germany (most of the allied pilots never saw a german airplane) and then they returned home to amerika, in germany you had to fly to death or glory, mission for misson! and now say one more time by better pilots... germany hat the quality and amys the quantity... quantity wins! you got the ressources, got the massive numbers, the allies... (without the soviets they were never been able to invade europa) and thats why america wins the war and not because of better pilots or equipment
Yup especially the later Fw190 D n E versions but by the time they entered service Germany had already lost the war in Jan 1945.
@@mathiasrryba Germany had thousands of Aces. The best U.S. Fighter get just 40 victorys. That is nothing if you compare it with german fighter pilots.
There was something about the cry of those inertial starters that always got to me.
It's the early variants of the Bf-109, I could tell by the nose. The fw-190 might be the second or third variants looking at the MG on the wing, early fw only have four 7,92 and two 20 mm. The fw I see has supposed to be four 20 mm, so it might be a second or third variant
+Timo Tius The Bf-109 was actually a Spanish Buchon that the owner had rebuilt to look like a Bf-109E. And the Fw-190 is a vary rare, late-war D-13 and is the only D-13 example left.
Have seen it several times, absolutely the most spectacular fighter plane of the second world war - would've loved to have been there on an occasion when they started it up. Fantastic piece of history. Also got to see the unrestored on the Smithsonian had at their Silver Hill storage site ages ago, don't know if it's been restored since or not, but it was great seeing it still wearing its original faded WWII paint and markings.
+nachtjager77 The Dora with Smithsonian was preserved back in the 1970s, I believe, and is on loan to the USAF Museum. It is a little rough around the edges and I think that it needs another trip through the restoration shop to bring it up to contemporary standards. Although I doubt that will be a priority any time soon. ruclips.net/video/pbQVdx5PvOk/видео.html
Yep, have seen that one several times. I was confused on the designation the one the Smithsonian still has - it's actually a legit Ta-152H and is apparently still sitting at their Silver Hill, Maryland storage facility. Got my curiosity up when I looked at your linked video - have seen that one at Dayton for years. The one in Maryland, in my humble opinion, should be left alone as it's still wearing its original WWII paint, but, they say they're going to restore it. But, then again, it looked exactly like this about fifteen or eighteen years ago when I saw it, so obviously, they're not moving real fast or taking it as a priority. They also had the Arado float plane off the Prinz Eugen in there, and the Gotha 229 flying wing, which was in awful shape, but once again, I don't think the Gotha should be restored, just reassembled and left in its original 1945 paint. Thanks for the link.
+nachjager77 The example in the USAF Museum is a D-9 owned by the Smithsonian. The Ta-152 that is with the Smithsonian has had several layers of paint since it was captured, and this was typical for those planes while they were with the British and the AAF. The Smithsonian will have to sand down through the layers to document the original paint and repaint it when they finally get around to restoring it. If the plane had been in service for a very long time, the Smithsonian would also sand and document each layer of paint that would have been applied by the Luftwaffe. The AAF actually modified the tail of the Ta-152 with steel plate because they thought that the tail would break off in flight. So I am sure that the Smithsonian is having to undo those modifications to return the Ta-152 back to original condition. The Ho-229 prototype was not even fully complete when it was captured and some work and assembly was done after the Allies had it. The paint is just a junk layer that was put on by the AAF. It would be better to see it down to wood or the green fireproof paint that would have been applied at the factory. But the Smithsonian will probably preserve that fake paint job as part of its history.
What's the history of that Bf-109E?
+@dancahilli8555 It's a really Spanish Buchon that Doug Champlin had rebuilt to look like a Bf-109E, and using a DB-605 engine. It is not flyable and now it is in the Museum of Flight in Seattle.
@@FiveCentsPlease Thanks for your prompt reply, Five. I had an idea but in the meanwhile realized I was remembering an "F" model that the RAF sent to Vultee for study/analysis in 1941. Ergo I was wondering what became of it, at least in the dim back of mind recesses.
Dora is the most beautiful plane.
must be very emotional for them... ;-)
Is that how you start up a FW 190 ? At the same time Mustangs and Thunderbolts are raining down death on the aerodrome.
+Alfa Won
Hand inertia start or external power cart (anlasswagen) were available for starting: lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d1OqVr4pvaY/Uqon9iemriI/AAAAAAAABIw/idEqxf189v0/w814-h430-no/Messerschmitt-Me-410-Hornisse-%2528-%252BOM%2529-01.jpg
Im just having a bit of fun FiveCentsPlease. Well aware the 190 was an equal to the Mustang and Thunderbolt. Adolf Garland said in his autobiography the 190 was a very capapble aircraft to match the Mustang. But they were just too few of them and always outnumbered many times by Mustangs and Thunderbolts constantly shooting at them everywhere they went.
Alfa Won
Yes. It's s shame that so few Doras survive, but at least the are a handful of projects with the potential to bring one or two to flight sometime in the distant future. It took many years before any Bf-109s flew and in few years we could see around 12 to 15 flying examples worldwide, so hopefully the Fw190 will follow. New 3D manufacturing technologies should make restoration and manufacture of missing parts much faster and cheaper soon.
Watched this again and noticed that the gal in the cockpit is cute. Didn't see her the last time I viewed it. It was the guys cranking away on the hand starting system.
Thank you so much for this
Have I shrunk?
Or was the view from that cockpit always that bad?
:-)
He doesnt have his chute, so you sit way too low
On that 109-D with the handcrank. Hell I would've made up an electric auxiliary starter that fit the handcrank Armature. Set it up so it's got to sets of handgrips and pull the trigger.
That Jumo 213 was an awesome mill!
I was there that day! It was awesome!
Now they have all passed away. This is old clip 30 years or more.
A big thanks to all the people involved in keeping second we planes in the sky's where they belong.
Why use the inertia starter?
Seriously wonder if the Luftwaffe bomber and Stuka-pilots was sickly envious of the few lucky fellas who were picked for fighter pilot training? Imagine to fly a ME109 or a FW190 and (for the most part) decide your own fate in combat.
Ausgezeichnet!! Ich hab' ALLES genoßen, Vielen Dank.
beautiful machines!!!!
The best single engine fighterplane ever !
@cody sonnet
Simply untrue.
The Fw190Ds and Bf109Ks had respectable engine performance but were not as fast as the P51 and P47.
At 21,000 ft the P51D could reach 445mph (715kph). The P47D could reach about 430 mph (695 kph).
The Fw190D, equipped for maximum engine performance (which not all were, there were many variant), but the D-9 as you mentioned could manage 426 mph.
The 109G (most common 109 variant, even in 1945), could reach 400 mph at 20,500ft.
The 109k is unusual in that it has 440 mph "maximum emergency speed", which is faster than a P47. However, the "maximum combat speed" of the 109K is 415mph.
The only German propeller aircraft faster than late-war American props were the Ta152 and Dornier 335. The 335 was an experimental plane and never used in combat. The Ta152 was produced in very small numbers and was uncommon.
The P51 and P47 were heavier than the 109G/K models and 190A/D. The differences in speed would become even greater in a dive.
These are just numbers. In combat it's very unlikely all aircraft are traveling at the aforementioned top speeds, so it isn't a fully reliable measure of combat speeds but is telling nonetheless. The Luftwaffe in 1945 was a shell of what it was in 1940; Luftwaffe pilots were often new, inexperienced, and outnumbered. According to allied accounts, German pilots would often bail out a few minutes into air combat or when an allied aircraft was on their tail.
My point is... there were no axis propeller planes outracing allied aircraft. Only the Me262 was capable of such a task.
@@willykaranikolas2391 so if you say the Ta 152H and the Do 335 was the fastest props in the war why did you say only the Me 262 beat US props in speed ?
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Because the Do 335 was never once used in combat (it did outrun a Hawker Tempest during one it's test flights, but was never armed).
As for the Ta152, an extremely limited number of them ever saw service. The early prototypes had a lot of problems, and the Ta152 H-1 did not reach Luftwaffe squadrons until January/February of 1945.... As for it's combat record, its believed to have achieved 7 air kills in exchange for 4 shot down; telling of how little service it actually saw in comparison to 109s and 190s.
Both these propeller aircraft were very very rare; the Do335 wasn't even used, and the chances of allied pilots encountering a 152 are negligible in this discussion.
So yes, aside from the very few 152s, the 262 was the only thing outrunning allied aircraft in late-war.
@@willykaranikolas2391 oh ok thanks.
Franz Stigler.... :0 rip noble pilot
For a short time the Messerschmitt flew beside the bomber. Then it slid away, above and behind. Brown waited for the gunfire that must mean the end of Ye Olde Pub. Nothing happened. He realized to his astonishment that the German fighter was flying escort on the B-17. As they crossed the coastline and flew out over the North Sea the fighter remained on station.
Only when they were well out from the German coast did the fighter slide in again, close to the bomber. Brown looked across - the German pilot looked back at him, raised a gloved hand in salute and then swung his aircraft away, back towards the east.
cant get over on how long it is
Nice Music, is it a old German march?
Both camouflage schemes of the D 13 shown look fantastic. I would probably prefer the latter, the mottled one I mean, because it represents the makeshift solution used very late in the war when the Reich was already crumbling
+Pascal Chauvet The new paint matches discovered photos of the same plane after it was surrendered.
I remember seeing this FW 190 at that museum, would have been around 1990, and I was dissapointed it was the inline engine and not the radial; THEN I read the book FW 190 in combat and the story of how the designer was delivering one the new planes, glad that it had no ammo in it, since he was a civilian, and was very light, when jumped on take off by US P-51's - he hit the throttle stick and watched the Mustangs shrink in the rearview mirror and dsiiappear - it could out run angry diving P-51's from a standing start!
This was Kurt Tank the chief construktor of Focke Wulf!
Greatings from Germany
Hello Judy, Sorry to hear of Jerry's passing. I had no idea. I enjoyed his company while he was at Gosshawk helping with the masking. We have met also, as you were there at the time. I can't find where it was claimed that Jerry had painted it, all I know was that it was the day after he was helping out, it was on your website saying he was painting Yellow 10 1 to 1 scale. I am a member of many WWII Forums that have asked me when I mention Yellow 10 if Jerry painted it because they had read it was or had seen the same web content. I don't see it on your site now but I know it was there. I only came across your website again because I was looking at the engine run video that was done in 1990 and your site is at the end of it. Nowhere in this clip mentions Jerry painting it, other than airbrushing the scratches when it was moved. I didn't mean my comment to upset you, so if it did then please forgive me. All the best to you, Steve (Now back in England)
Steve; thank you for the condolences. No, I'm not upset, but thanks for asking. So apparently the fact that he painted it has been removed from the site. Perhaps at the time, Jerry mentioned it and it was removed. Are you okay with this now? Or do you want me to re-word something? ... Judy
Thanks Judy, yes I'm fine with that. Sorry for ranting. Steve😉
No problem, I would rant too! Sorry I didn't recall your name at the time. Let's keep in touch.@@steve309
Well my name was that of many when you came around so it's easy to forget. I would like to keep in touch even if to just catch up on things. @@judycrandall3983
funny. The guy is trying to help the lady down and didn't know where to put his hands
Are they spinning up some part of the engine or just a dead weight flywheel?
+The Butterman Inertia starter. Yes basically a flywheel with a starter dog gear to engage the engine. They are found on many aircraft (not just German) for weight savings and as a backup start method. Some can be operated electrically or by hand.
@@FiveCentsPlease is it the engines flywheel theyre spinning up?
@@PaintfullGovernor The flywheel is inside the starter. Here is one removed, the Schwungkraftanlasser: ruclips.net/video/8E6AhqQ_htE/видео.html
I am not pilot....nor ground crew..Saw and air show in hometown in 74' fantastic then..many old warbirds!! amazing to see the machines..feel their sound...our airport trained norwegians in war.Emsdale Airport in thirties..forties...Watching this old officer warriors and wives have chance to sit in machines of their youth giving time to country is amazing!! America loves technology!! war long over.....survivors sharing good times and memories...healing!! the effecient german engineering and manufacturing of their craft is amazing! Static displays are wonderful but there is nothing like a Living experience to those youth and elders whom remember these today! thank you for this video!
that last plane is not what i think is a D-13 becuse the only surviving D-13 has a green spinner and has a green/white camoflage on it. It is located on a museum in Britain and is the only one left i think so i belive that the one that they show in the video is a D-9 or D-12 Correct me if im wrong
How does this system work? They are cranking the inertial starter, but I hear that there is also an electric starter that the pilot tried to engage multiple times on the third try.
+Shaoxuan Li The inertia starter uses a flywheel with a starter dog gear that engages the engine when the pilot chooses.
i like it so much the music!
Do you have the original engines or is it "fake" refits?
The 109 clearly had enough of Operation Sea Lion attempts. Nah, a-aa, naa no more! xD
D13 sounds like an original to me.
So magestic, beautiful and powerful it is! Wish I could see one!
Regards
+ Bumble BOB The D-13 is original with a Jumo 213 engine. This particular Bf-109 was a Buchon that has been converted to a Bf-109E. The conversion was done a very long time ago and at the time they could not find a DB-601 engine so they used DB -605.
@@FiveCentsPlease Awesome, thanks for reply!
Id love to see that D13 in real life.
+Dane Spencer It is now on static display with the Flying Heritage Collection, Everett Washington.
Wonderful. The question is, was this type of camouflage directly from the factory or is there some probability that it could have been applied in the field?
+Pascal Chauvet Hard to get a definitive answer on the camouflage. It is a very late war series aircraft and it is possible that there was a new RLM directive to standardize the camo. This is suggested by a still from a color 8mm film of a railroad car of D-13 engines painted in the same mottled pattern directly from the factory. Or it could have been improvised in the field to match the factory engine cowling. Author Jerry Crandall is the highest expert on this specific aircraft and has written several books on the D series.
Thank You,
but ,one thing,You do not know,
what they are doing underground?
t.hannu
A travesty that this beauty will never take to the air again, I would love to hear a jumo 213 at full power in the air!
Same goes for the last survivng me 410 in UK with its DB 603s
+Robinson K
There are two or three D-9 projects around with the goal of flying one day, but don't expect anything soon. It's doubtful that a 410 will ever fly again unless a wreck is found in private hands. (There is a Bf-110 wreck with potential.) The Dora can use either the Jumo 213 or the DB 603 with a few mods so I'm curious if anyone is considering that option, especially with the FlugWerk A-8 replicas.
FiveCentsPlease
its a shame, since I really like the me 410, its a beautiful heavy fighter.
I have heard that there are some Doras under restoration but will these use the original jumo or Db 603 engines or just these lame allison v 12s?
*****
No surviving Me 210s are known to exist, unfortunately.
+Dalle Smalhals very much interesting
@@FiveCentsPlease Any updates on those Dora projects ? I suppose things got a little bit on hold because of Covid-19
So (5:05) the 190 does not have an electric starter??
+@michaelwhalen2442 They have a flywheel inertia starter that can be operated by hand or with an electric starter. Inertia starters were found on quite a few aircraft.
I have done some research into engines, etc. the reason it didn't start , was that the procedure for prop aircraft starting was to manually turn over the engine,(ignition OFF) with the prop, 15 blades (3 turns) to oil and clear the cylinders, then start with the inertia or other starter, some engines even needed a second engine, to warm up the oil, and run the lube pumps before you could even turn it over ( oil was that viscus, and needed to lube the engine so it wouldn't seize!). look under " Zenos WARBIRDS" channel, shows how B-17's, etc. worked, were flown, etc.
+andy van The Jumo engine was missing a key control component, making it difficult to start and only able to idle.
Crying shame the 190 D will never take to the air again.
FW-190D and BF-109K Can Beaten Down YAK-9,Spitfire,P-51Mustang.
Do you even know about the performance and armament of fw 190d and bf 109k? They could outperform those fighters
My Favorite! FockWulfe 190 d Series.
Seems like a lot of people are confused about the speed of this aircraft. No, it was not faster than the P51 and P47.
The 190D was recorded as reaching 426mph at about 21,000ft, slower than both the P51 and P47. Furthermore, USAAF tests of the D-9 recorded a max of 413mph at 20,000ft.
For comparison, the P51D and P-47D could go 444 mph and 430 mph respectively. These are just the combat-ready models, experimental versions could go even faster (the XP-47J actually reached 505mph, for example).
the 190 D13 could reach 440 mph at 37,000 ft
Horten 229 600 mph. Tested 1944/45
This fantastic jumo (junkers motor) has more thank 2000 horse Power. The air plane was build in Cottbus /brandenburg, There i am living. The Name of the plane was also long nose.
FW 190 ,The Butcher Bird , I’m not sure but was this the longer nose version that was dubbed the “ The Schnozzle “ ?
yes, this is the last remaining unit of the last version of the D series of the 190s. Only 30 were produced...
hey look its one from richthofen , just 20 minutes where i live
put a drill on top and thats hit what are they thinking
+Antoine Roy
The Allies had a drill-type tool to turn their inertial starters if needed. I'm not sure if the Luftwaffe had a similar tool. i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/83sAAOSwirZTv1kP/$_1.JPG
The German inertial starters could be turned by hand or electrically with a power source.
Looks more like a Messersmit BF 109 not a Folk Wolf 190.
Of the series of german airplanes this one takes the top of the performance class,and it was a nasty fighter airplane to be dealt with.
There are not very many of these flying examples left anywhere in the world now.
There are no D-series in flying condition at this time, but there are one or two slow-moving projects that plan to fly some day.
Damn. Heaven forbid your airbase got surprise attacked and you had to get one of those started in somewhat of a timely manner
Its because they dont want to stress the electronic start up systems. You dont need to start it this way and tyhe pilot can do it alone
Plus I believe the planes' condition was better 70 some odd years ago
I don't understand why they didn't crank up Bf 109 and I wasn't aware that it was installed an electric starter and I'm quite suspicious about the propeller blades as it was originally fitted with the narrow toothpick blades! Anyway both are magnificent airplanes....
+Paolo Viti The German starters could also be operated electrically. This Bf-109E was originally a Spanish Buchon, one of the early examples made from German supplied parts. Doug Champlin bought it in the early 1970s along with the Fw190D-13 and had both shipped to Germany where Art Williams restored both. The Bf-109 is a bit of a hybrid being a Buchon and reversed backwards to a Bf-109E. Champlin could not find a DB-601 in the 1970s so he used a DB-605 instead. The Bf-109E is now with the Museum of Flight in Seattle. The Fw-190D-13 was restored again and is now a static display at Paul Allen's museum.
@@FiveCentsPlease thanks for replying and yes you have clarified pretty well regarding this hybrid Me 109. I didn't know that the DB 605 could fit in the tightly cowled space but the oil cooler seems to be the original version. Doesn't matter: the importance that it is good hands....
looking good
Could someone explain that cranking business to me? Did German WW2 ground crews have to crank a dynamo to power an electric starter? If so, it looks like the dynamo was really heavy. And if the dynamo was actually that heavy wouldn't a battery or a Koffman starter have been lighter or a ground Auxillary Power Unit have been more convenient?
Inertia starter found on many aircraft, including some Allied and Japanese. It can be used as a primary or back-up emergency start and it saved weight. Energize a flywheel that engages a starter dog gear. The Bosch starters can be wound up by hand by ground mechanics or electrically with a power source. The German aircraft have power ports to connect an external generator for power if needed.
That is not dynamo but the flywheel which is by the clutch connected with crankshaft.
Wouldn't the flywheel have to be really heavy then (like heavier than a battery+ starter)?
Gillus Magnus It's not huge. The starter dog to engage the engine is on the left. www.rc-network.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=797892&d=1332672075
Now I see. Thank you so much for your time, really.
How many Joules or watt-hours might have been fed into the flywhell by those two guys? Let's say they give in 300 watts together, for about 40 seconds. These are nearly 3 large calories of energy. Not that much to start that huge engine. There are so many disgustingly fat people in the states, it would have been a good exercise for each of them, but they sent sent the skinniest guy up there, they where able to find. The sort the prop wind nearly blows away.
Badass down to every bolt and rivet.