@@andrewrichards9607 yes, this series is a very nice one and I truly think they did set quite a scene for some of the films they made, with beautiful Caribbean shots and some adventurous moments. The story is quite good and some actions are really playing their part as a grumpy captain or lieutenant very good. ruclips.net/p/PL8CIuwAD1GP6Bt84ED1PL81FsWJjEtJL_
Love the 'larboard'. Years ago I took sailing lessons and, having read all the Hornblower novels, raised my hand when asked what the left side of the ship was called. When I responded "larboard", the instructor didn't have a clue where that came from. "No - port" was his response/ LOL
@@lewstone5430 I think the British, like most things Nautical in the western hemisphere, were the ones who changed it from "Larboard" to "Port" in the first place and the rest of the Nautical world followed suit. EDIT: turns out I was right. The British indeed DID change "Larboard" to "Port" circa 1840-1850 and of course the rest of the maritime world followed suit.
medium guns weren't effective at long range, so ships preferred to close distance for better penetration on cannonball impact. Plus the ability to board is nice
@@Shadowkey392 The series, for all its glorious pictures, took many liberties with the seamanship. For one, the ship that's standing in for a 44-gun frigate, the Great Turk, is only a 22-gun ship. A ship of war would have *much* larger crews. (Just multiply the number of men you see handling those guns by the number of guns, and you will know what I mean.) There would be no flapping sails and no loose lines. And of course an enemy ship would be sighted *well* before coming into gunnery range. But a naval battle of the time would take *hours* of the ships maneuvering for position, and that doesn't make for an interesting scene, so...
Well, it cuts out a long, slow sequence of ship-to ship views back and forth as the currents bring the ships together. After all, they have to squeeze the commercials in someplace, don't they? :)
A court martial offence as Mr Hornblower abandoned his station by the guns. Men die and are seriously wounded in battle but you dont drop everything to help, sailors can do that.
a command has to go down the chain from the captain to the first leftenant down to the midshipmen. When Hornblower has the Papillon and no officer subordinates , he literally runs from cannon to cannon ordering the firing.
Larboard (usually uncountable, plural larboards) (archaic, nautical) The left side of a ship, looking from the stern forward to the bow; port side. Larboard = PORT = Left. Starboard = Right. {but 'Larboard' means the whole length of Port/Left}.
derived from an archaic word for Lee boards, starbord from steer board a type of rudder before metallurgy made for reliable rudder pintles andcaused rudders to look as we know them now. up to the 1700's there was a vertical tiller rather than a wheel requiring up to four men in a rough or stormy seaway.
@@peterforden5917 Was changed to 'port' as it was noted it was quite easy to mistake 'larboard' for 'starboard' when shouted over the din of constant cannon fire and used sailors screaming for a doctor.
Negative, Larboard comes from the days of the galleys when the lee board (like the modern keel) was lowered. Starboard comes from the steering board as that was the side where the tiller and rudder were. Because of the potential for damage to the steering gear when coming alongside, ships went alongside lee board side to. Hence eventually that side became the port side. Steerboard under sailor speak became starboard.
Lol, thanks for pointing it out. Only bombards had that kind of large bores. However, this one looks like an 18 pdr. which simply could not have that wide bores. So it is unrealistic. Also, cannons up until the beginning of the 19th century had thick lumens because of the metallurgy and metal purification which wasn't advanced enough to sufficiently remove air pockets from the molten metal while it solidified resulting in structural weakness which make the barrel prone to catastrophic explosions while firing.
the royal navy changed the proper term to "PORT" in the 1840's since "larboard" sounded too much like "starboard" in the heat of an action often causing confusion at the worst possible time. the term was quite correct for the time depicted. the terms come from the same concept that ships were traditionally tied up to wharves with their left side next to the wharf, which was the "port" side, and over which the ship was loaded, thus making it the "load" side. (IE Larboard)
@@doughoward6401 Jack Hammond, the new midshipman is yelled at by Matthews in "Loyalty" for standing in the way of firing cannons. "move sir ,unless you want to get your leg blown off!"
in combat situations midshipmen are supposed to be anywhere they are needed with the captain and leftenants close to each other. Hornblower did not desert his post. In the Army there were dedicated jobs given to junior officers in the field but in the Navy only your watch was considered your post, so in combat Hornblower is allowed to do anything as long as he doesn't abandon his ship without orders.
All "others" literature and T.V. were based on the original; C.S.Foresters "Hornblower" series. Someone once told me that I look like my son. My response was that, on the contrary, he looks like me!
David N David, if you haven't already done so,you really must read the books by Patrick O'Brien upon which the "Master and Commander" film is based. They are one of the greatest books ever written. I do hope I have spelt his name correctly!
why s it.. every movie you see.. when it comes to firing cannons.. you see 4 people saying "Fire!" one after another.. until the fucking cannon gets fired? lol
in those days the command had to go down the line of officers until the midshipman standing next to a cannon would order the firing. This was to prevent wild firing of the cannons ,which would leave long reload lulls. When Hornblower commands the Papillon later on he runs from cannon to cannon ordering them to fire in the right intervals, while firing on another target he orders "fire as you bear" which means the gunners will fire as soon as their cannons line up with the enemy ship. On the Indy there is a full complement of officers, so firing is done using the right procedure.
changed because of misunderstandings caused by the similarity of the words starboard and larboard especially in bad weather. there are books on learning those knots
From "steer board,' the side the steering oar was on before the invention of the rudder, and "lee board," the board that was lowered into the water to stop lateral drift. These days the keel does this as well as providing ballast. Ships docked on the left hand side so as not to interfere with the steering oar, the 'port' side.
@Xen on a wooden man of war the order was shoot,not fire.If you shouted fire mayhem broke loose as fire on a wooden ship that was as dry as gunpowder was a death sentence, fire meant fire and was otherwise a forbidden word.
"Sorry, Mr. Hornblower, your friend just bled out. His femoral artery gets cut by a cannon ball, plus loses his thigh just below his balls, he's dead already.."
This was a made for television drama "Hornblower" a creation of the author C.S .Forester His career begins in the Royal Navy as a junior officer. It was good for it's day because there was simply nothing else about the Royal Navy during this period in history. Once the film" Master and Commander "was released this was tame by comparison. Have ever watched the TV series 'Sharpe ' ?
This is pretty rough after coming from Master and Commander.
Lol my thoughts exactly. Just five minutes ago I was watching the Master & Commander boarding battle and then this...
Tv movie vs hollywood movie, the budgets are a bit different...
Is there anything like master and commander?? That's film is so good
@@andrewrichards9607 hornblower TV series and Sharpe TV series (this clip is from one of the episodes of Hornblower)
@@andrewrichards9607 yes, this series is a very nice one and I truly think they did set quite a scene for some of the films they made, with beautiful Caribbean shots and some adventurous moments. The story is quite good and some actions are really playing their part as a grumpy captain or lieutenant very good. ruclips.net/p/PL8CIuwAD1GP6Bt84ED1PL81FsWJjEtJL_
Love the 'larboard'. Years ago I took sailing lessons and, having read all the Hornblower novels, raised my hand when asked what the left side of the ship was called. When I responded "larboard", the instructor didn't have a clue where that came from. "No - port" was his response/ LOL
I took sailing lessons because of Forester's novels too!
You should’ve stood up and exclaimed “I’m a British Navy man, sir!”
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@@lewstone5430 I think the British, like most things Nautical in the western hemisphere, were the ones who changed it from "Larboard" to "Port" in the first place and the rest of the Nautical world followed suit.
EDIT: turns out I was right. The British indeed DID change "Larboard" to "Port" circa 1840-1850 and of course the rest of the maritime world followed suit.
He was probably like..."sit down Jagger Jards" ....lol 😂😂😂
“Enemy ship to larboard!”
No kidding. It’s, like, right there. How the hell did you let them get that close?
medium guns weren't effective at long range, so ships preferred to close distance for better penetration on cannonball impact. Plus the ability to board is nice
OurEmpires I mean without sighting them. They should have sighted it AGES before it got to that range!
@@Shadowkey392 The series, for all its glorious pictures, took many liberties with the seamanship. For one, the ship that's standing in for a 44-gun frigate, the Great Turk, is only a 22-gun ship. A ship of war would have *much* larger crews. (Just multiply the number of men you see handling those guns by the number of guns, and you will know what I mean.) There would be no flapping sails and no loose lines. And of course an enemy ship would be sighted *well* before coming into gunnery range. But a naval battle of the time would take *hours* of the ships maneuvering for position, and that doesn't make for an interesting scene, so...
Well, it cuts out a long, slow sequence of ship-to ship views back and forth as the currents bring the ships together. After all, they have to squeeze the commercials in someplace, don't they? :)
Did you not see the massive fog bank just past the French ship? That's how they got that close.
A court martial offence as Mr Hornblower abandoned his station by the guns. Men die and are seriously wounded in battle but you dont drop everything to help, sailors can do that.
Love how the guns "bounce" along and even slide sideways as they roll out :D
When ships were wooden, men were iron
i find it amusing? in many clips when cannons fired horatio insists on standing behind the cannons
@@1990pommie Yeah, I never understood that one. Besides the recoil what about the deafening noise?
I love when everyone is screaming in agony after a barrage and Pellew just screams "SILENCE!!!!!!!!"
Love it when all the royal navy officers of the ship screamed fire did you all enjoyed it too guys
a command has to go down the chain from the captain to the first leftenant down to the midshipmen. When Hornblower has the Papillon and no officer subordinates , he literally runs from cannon to cannon ordering the firing.
In the USA, this episode was titled "The Duel". First in a series of 8, produced by ITV in 1998 to 2003.
"Hornblower: The Discovery of Triage"
seems like in their hurry, they forgot to load the canon balls
Larboard (usually uncountable, plural larboards) (archaic, nautical) The left side of a ship, looking from the stern forward to the bow; port side. Larboard = PORT = Left. Starboard = Right. {but 'Larboard' means the whole length of Port/Left}.
derived from an archaic word for Lee boards, starbord from steer board a type of rudder before metallurgy made for reliable rudder pintles andcaused rudders to look as we know them now. up to the 1700's there was a vertical tiller rather than a wheel requiring up to four men in a rough or stormy seaway.
@@peterforden5917 Was changed to 'port' as it was noted it was quite easy to mistake 'larboard' for 'starboard' when shouted over the din of constant cannon fire and used sailors screaming for a doctor.
@@Debbiebabe69 in Swedish it is babord and stybod.
@@peterforden5917 and in Turkish “iskele” for larboard, “sancak” for starboard, “kıç” for stern and “pruva” for bow
Negative, Larboard comes from the days of the galleys when the lee board (like the modern keel) was lowered. Starboard comes from the steering board as that was the side where the tiller and rudder were.
Because of the potential for damage to the steering gear when coming alongside, ships went alongside lee board side to. Hence eventually that side became the port side. Steerboard under sailor speak became starboard.
Amazing how the British detected the enemy ship when it was already right on top of them. Eyes like a hawk!
1:12 judging by its muzzle, this gun should be 128 lbs at least lol
Lol, thanks for pointing it out. Only bombards had that kind of large bores. However, this one looks like an 18 pdr. which simply could not have that wide bores. So it is unrealistic. Also, cannons up until the beginning of the 19th century had thick lumens because of the metallurgy and metal purification which wasn't advanced enough to sufficiently remove air pockets from the molten metal while it solidified resulting in structural weakness which make the barrel prone to catastrophic explosions while firing.
"FIYAH"
Crows nest look out should have flogged!
the ship was already arming and ready for combat when Kennedy came below deck.
Hornblower,an excellent series.
'Tis but a flesh wound.
YOUR LEG IS OFF!
Oh, so it is.
the royal navy changed the proper term to "PORT" in the 1840's since "larboard" sounded too much like "starboard" in the heat of an action often causing confusion at the worst possible time. the term was quite correct for the time depicted. the terms come from the same concept that ships were traditionally tied up to wharves with their left side next to the wharf, which was the "port" side, and over which the ship was loaded, thus making it the "load" side. (IE Larboard)
Why do I keep getting this recommend every day it hasn’t stopped
Please make it stop I watched this like the 46th
No editing emmy here. But I suspect they shot the whole thing in an afternoon 😂
Dude this rally must be old: Horatio Hornblower is played by Ian Cuddifuc and hes older than me now!
Do your research
@@bamcdowell5478 Hawksquawks did it for me. :D
Anytime anything is to larboard, I take notice.
Or "Port" these days or since the 1840s-1850s
They got the guns ready for action
And that gave 'em trouble enough -
They 'adn't been fired all t'summer
And touch-'oles were bunged up wi' fluff!😁
There’s no kick in those cannons. They typical flew back 3 plus feet, not a couple of inches.
This always bothers me in films. How hard/expensive could it really be to simulate the recoil aggressively?
True . I wonder how many a powder monkey was caught unawares in the heat of battle and was on the receiving end of a broken ankle or leg as a result !
@@doughoward6401 Jack Hammond, the new midshipman is yelled at by Matthews in "Loyalty" for standing in the way of firing cannons. "move sir ,unless you want to get your leg blown off!"
@@hanswolfgangmercer hard.
Eye-witnesses related that the guns would actually "bounce" as they recoiled.
Oh, for the days of rapidly shifting alliances....hey, just like now. DNA?
My Kennedy ❤️
what?? IS AID FIREEEE!!!
Leaving your post without orders was not allowed.
In the usa, this was titled "The Duel", first episode of the series, 1998.
Wish they'd make a whole bunch of these. And Adam 12.
Ughhh why the hell couldn't they of given us 6 Master and Commander movies. Friggin Lord of The Rings had to go and ruin it.
I wonder if Billy Boyd was thinking to himself during the filming of MAC "Man this is gonna be a great film, but my other movie is gonna roast it."
🤣the enemy ship is 700 feet away, then "FIRE!" suddenly they're side-by-side.
An officer leaving their post without orders is a court martial offence. Whatever he reason.
Depends on their station. British officers are given plenty of maneuver in terms of interpretation with his duties. Makes them more flexible.
in combat situations midshipmen are supposed to be anywhere they are needed with the captain and leftenants close to each other. Hornblower did not desert his post. In the Army there were dedicated jobs given to junior officers in the field but in the Navy only your watch was considered your post, so in combat Hornblower is allowed to do anything as long as he doesn't abandon his ship without orders.
It's too bad the Indefatigable looks more like a Sloop than a Razee frigate.
The ship depicting the Indefatigable is a replica 22 gun frigate called Grand Turk. Grand Turk is a 6th line ship, which is rather small and swift.
Man the oars ye landlubbers! Ramming speed!
And that me mateys is how I got me peg here. Now who’s up for a sip o grog?
Sun is o'er the yardarm Mr. Harris! We shall splice the mainbrace.
This looks suspiciously like master and commander, one of my all time favorite movies.
Google Hornblower. It's a TV/film serirs show from the late 90s about the French revolutionary wars/napoleonic wars.
All "others" literature and T.V. were based on the original; C.S.Foresters "Hornblower" series. Someone once told me that I look like my son. My response was that, on the contrary, he looks like me!
David N David, if you haven't already done so,you really must read the books by Patrick O'Brien upon which the "Master and Commander" film is based. They are one of the greatest books ever written. I do hope I have spelt his name correctly!
Martin Chamberlain thanks, I will. By the way, are you British by any chance? You "sound" like it, in your comment.
David N hello David, yes I'm a 70 year old Brit, proud of it too! Where are you?
I guess Napoleonic era Royal Navy surgeons had never heard of "triage".....
A crew of the titanic 0:44
The Razee would have been very handy against the USS Constitution As strong and with more sail area I do not know the guns
Great movie
why s it.. every movie you see.. when it comes to firing cannons.. you see 4 people saying "Fire!" one after another.. until the fucking cannon gets fired? lol
in those days the command had to go down the line of officers until the midshipman standing next to a cannon would order the firing. This was to prevent wild firing of the cannons ,which would leave long reload lulls. When Hornblower commands the Papillon later on he runs from cannon to cannon ordering them to fire in the right intervals, while firing on another target he orders "fire as you bear" which means the gunners will fire as soon as their cannons line up with the enemy ship.
On the Indy there is a full complement of officers, so firing is done using the right procedure.
I’ll have to look into hornblower sometime, I like master and commander but sometimes it gets too heavy with its terminology for me.
Why do they each need to sequentially shout fire before the gunners react?
0:58 point blank range and not one shot hit lol.
The actors union won't let the producers use real cannon balls. :(
Larboard means left? I thought port was left! Plus I gotta learn all these knots!
Port is left, but so is Larboard. They changed the wording in the 1800s.
changed because of misunderstandings caused by the similarity of the words starboard and larboard especially in bad weather. there are books on learning those knots
From "steer board,' the side the steering oar was on before the invention of the rudder, and "lee board," the board that was lowered into the water to stop lateral drift. These days the keel does this as well as providing ballast. Ships docked on the left hand side so as not to interfere with the steering oar, the 'port' side.
@@dunruden9720 he wanted to know how to tie knots
@@peterforden5917 Ah; my failure to read the word, "plus!". Buy a boat!
Two ships within a stone's throw of each other unleashing broadsides and zero hull damage. Come on, guys. Invest in a little CGI.
Well, this is a TV movie from the 90s, not a Hollywood film 😂
Whats the name of the movie pls me i know???
Search for Hornblower on Google. This is the first film in the series: Hornblower The Even Chance
did they shoot FECES at them @1:15??? :D
It would be much more realistic without the music
It would be even more realistic if it was recorded in 1793
the order is SHOOT not fire
Also, wounded were taken to the orlop deck, not "the surgery."
@Xen on a wooden man of war the order was shoot,not fire.If you shouted fire mayhem broke loose as fire on a wooden ship that was as dry as gunpowder was a death sentence, fire meant fire and was otherwise a forbidden word.
@Xen your servant sir. :)
Not quite as bad as the constant 'FIRE' orders given to longbowmen in fantasy, medieval and classical era films...
Hahaha 0:44-50made me laugh
0:07 What is he holding?
I think it's called a boatswain's call
@@MPC12345678 tysm
Bosun whistle
"Sorry, Mr. Hornblower, your friend just bled out. His femoral artery gets cut by a cannon ball, plus loses his thigh just below his balls, he's dead already.."
lame....where is Lucky Jack?
This movie is so lame makes master and commander a Gem .
This was a made for television drama "Hornblower" a creation of the author C.S .Forester
His career begins in the Royal Navy as a junior officer. It was good for it's day because there was simply nothing else about the Royal Navy during this period in history.
Once the film" Master and Commander "was released this was tame by comparison.
Have ever watched the TV series 'Sharpe ' ?
You're a scrub.
Asswipe
well this isn't a movie. It's a TV series. Idiot.
Oh man... This fuckin' sucks. Pass!
go away please.