There is already WAY Too Many PC Gaming Handhelds
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Gaming Handheld Situation is 'Getting Out of Hand'. There's a lot of goofy titles for this
We've seen quite an insane amount of handheld PCs release in an insanely short amount of time. With each consecutive release it feels like people care less and less about what is happening. The Steam Deck seemed to kick it off (along with the switch) now everyone is tryna pile on like Asus, Lenovo, MSI, Zotac, Sony, and Microsoft... it's kinda ridiculous. Let's talk about if handhelds are all they are hyped up to be or are literally all of these gonna just disappear in a couple years.
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0:00- ALL THE HANDHELDS
1:20- how ppl be feelin about it
2:10- why so many companies are jumping in
3:28- why PC handhelds can be amazing
9:00- but they aren't always so great
11:00- these are "accessories"
14:15- what makes a great handheld
16:55- the gaps seem to be filled
19:10- update! 
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These companies only need to sell 2000 units to make a profit on anything they release. So.....that's worth keeping in mind.
Installing bazzite Linux on those deck game changing
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More options is the better for consumer
It really isn't more options... At its core it's the identical thing with only meaningful difference being screen used. Integrated controller as well as APU are pretty much the same across the board. So, it's more of pick your flavor than any real choice. All these devices run on Windows too which is really just a terrible experience for handheld gaming. It's really depressing seeing how none of the options out there can really compete with the Steam Deck in any meaningful way other than power and that's under condition of being plugged to wall socket and cranking up TDP to levels that would otherwise delete your battery in 50min play session....
@@Micromation
to be fair i appreciate Rog Ally and Lenovo Legion Go due to how distinctly different both devices are despite using the same chip (the Z1 extreme)
Rog Ally : just a portable PC
Lenovo Legion : joycon gimmick
then the MSI Claw came .. literally the same design as ROG Ally but its intel-based (and we can already see how "efficient" intel chips are in a handheld factor)
@@MicromationYes none of them have OS made for portable pc's. Unless they use steam os, made one similar to it or somehow windows successfully change its UI for portable pc's they are all pointless. Then again all these devices are not stopping any innovation and one of them might come up with something special one day I hope.
More option is better if it's same thing, steamdeck is more like a gaming device while Ally, Lenovo Go, Claw are portable PC
@@juota
Steam Deck is a portable PC like Rog Ally and Lenovo Legion Go
Valve literally stated this on their website lmfao
the only difference is that it runs on Linux unlike the rest which is Window-based.
Handhelds are quite a big deal in the 3rd world where we have multiple blackouts a day and simply cannot use a desktop PC when there's no power
When I lived in Lebanon, we had a 50/50 power schedule... 8 hours power on, 8 hours power off. We used a power generator to keep the fridge and TV running but that was it. So we used to play Chinese rechargeable handheld emulator games.
Dude, the 3rd world can't afford this shit. These things cost as much as some people 2 months paycheck there
@@CYB3R2K I was making $12 American a day working 6 hours a day for a floor tiling company. ☹️
En el tercer mundo, una PC handheld no es igual de eficientes (en gasto económico) que comprar una PC, y si quisiera algo portátil iría por una switch o una consola china que está más apegado a la realidad del tercer mundo (específicamente hablando de cuando se va la energía, que no es muy usual, salvo algunos paises)
@@Haywood-Jablomie minimum wage in my country is 6 dollars a day. thats 8 to 12 hours
You basically answer yourself, people in your demographic sure doesn't make sense and don't waste your money. If you are in the demographic that commute every single day and have kids and responsibilities then the handhelds are amazing.
@@MarthinusSwart true, dude just hating for no reason, also more competition means better products and prices for consumers
@@Marco-cl9pb you clearly didnt even try to understand the topic of the video, its about how the handheld market is bloated, not that handhelds are "bad/useless/pointless"
@@M_CFVit really isnt tho. There were several Chinese portable Pcs that came out before the Steam Deck even existed..the cream of the crop will separate and the pretenders will fade away. More competition isn't bad.
he goes over all this...can we please stop commenting before watching, absolute cancer
@@walterandrews4985 this... Now with finally powerful enough APUs these portable systems are finally good enough to play even triple A games on the go, it's something insane to think even just some years ago, also AI scalling + frame generation make it even better. But I guess there's always haters
Why would hardware companies wanna put out new hardware. Crazy.
Competition is good for the consumer.
Steam Deck OLED is basically the Gameboy of the 2020's. It's not the most powerful and it doesn't need to be. It's easy to use and it links to your Steam account. That's all you need.
Exactly
Bought the steam deck lcd last year august then suddenly valve released the oled version a couple months later -_-...
I don’t think so. There are just too many games that are unplayable on it. But are playable on any of the others
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@@tylerbyerly9662It’s less than 20% of Steam games, including apps like Blender and Godot (which do work, just not the best experience). Most are VR games or won’t run on Linux, Mac, or some Windows devices at all due to anticheat.
Literally everyone I know only cares about the Steam Deck.
Imagine if more competitors came out... Steam would have to try even harder.
Because Valve fanboyism lol. ROG Ally is miles better and more powerful than the Deck, yet ppl still prefer Deck.
Also let's not forget the Switch 2 specs leak, those ppl insulting Nintendo while kissing and praising Valve's 4ss.
@@Moji55a im not a fanboy, but the steam deck is wayyyyy cheaper than the rog ally so thats that. also trust in ASUS is very low these days
@@Moji55athe Ally is about chasing specs. My friends with the an Ally are already eyeing their next handheld, while the OG Steamdeck with lesser specs just works better because the OS is purpose built.
@@Moji55aMaybe you're the one with fanboyism
More handhelds for the legendary competition and price dropping
Only broke people rely on competition and it's overrated
They don't have that big of margins on those, don't expect any massive price drops.
Yeah, his take is ultra silly.
@@Micromation msi claw just got -180$ 😱
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His take is "Core Ultra Silly"😜
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Tbh if valve makes a handheld that, when docked, plugs into an external GPU and basically behaves like a desktop, I'd just let it replace my PC
Sadly External GPU docks suck bit time.. even with really fast connection its really slow in comparision to a desktop GPU... and thats all because of latency.. with the tech we have now their is no way around this... also the reason that this great idea is really dead right now
@@Sini420 well what if valve did something like this but integrated it into the dock, with a proprietary connector, something like the XG mobile, but the issue of bandwidth would still have to be addressed, although it would be mitigated
@@Sini420 doesnt oculink fix that? im still not familiar with eGPU but i heard oculink have very fast Gbps which reduces latency but it still doesnt fix with eGPU being really pricey rn..
This is my plan for the future.. the next Steam Deck will surely support eGPU and most definitely by whatever Steam Deck 3 comes out. My current desktop is a flagship rig... So I won't need to for a while, but by the time it shows it's age the hybrid PC/Consoles will be a legitimate option to fully replace. I'm already a full-time Linux user and the "PC" in my bedroom is just the SteamDeck in it's dock plugged into a nice monitor.
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Same experience for me. I sold my OLED deck. Not because i disliked it, just no need. Its a great little machine, but i work from home and drive everywhere i need to go living more in the country side lol. PC setup just makes for sense for me.
Same here, I built a used gaming PC selling my deck.. not cuz I didn't like it but an extra PC in my bedroom attached to my TV ( more like a console) made a lot more sense. After using deck I realised I don't need much horse power on my second pc I've got a 2060 super with 9400f by just adding 25$ more after selling the deck.
@@AakashKale27So you played docked only? Because being a handheld is the whole point of a handheld.
Why did u buy it then?...
@AakashKale27 opposite for me, I didn't really have a room to put a damn pc on my bedroom, a laptop/handheld gaming pc is a lot better option as of now I main steam deck
@@fairphoneuser9009 no, I played on handheld exclusively. just played dave the diver once on my tv. The thing is, I have a gaming PC in my study/ Living room. and I carried my deck on couple of vacations but I realised I never used it. I commute on a motorcycle hence I can't game while commuting. During my lunch hour I usually chill with my colleagues so, I never played there as well. I realised I only play video games at home. So, handheld made no sense to make. I've finished many games on deck but I was playing exclusively on my couch and bed. I've a Tv in my bed room, and my PC is just where I have my couch basically I can play games on my PC sitting on my couch I've a 32inches monitor too so it's a great experience. Handheld gaming didn't made much sense to me so, I just went ahead with an ITX Used build instead
I really think the biggest edge of the Steam Deck is Linux, it's way more efficient and lets Valve get closer to the metal and extract more performance from it's APU. The only handheld that I think could conceviably compete is an Xbox handheld, and that'd need a really stripped down, "gamer" edition of Win or something. Possible, but I don't see that happening with Microsoft's current CEO and decision making.
The Steam Deck or similar PC handhelds are totally accessories, but you know what? They're also great showcases for indie games, and I'm all for anything that diversifies the gaming market and makes indie titles more appealing. Speaking from my experience running a GRE, it almost feels wasteful to play indie games? Like, you've got a GPU that can push RT in 4K with upscaling, *it'd be a waste not to use it, I should play the latest AAA game*. Having a device specced specifically for indies would definitely make it a lot easier to justify having a bajillion indie games in my backlog that I'll probably never get to XDXDXD
The steam deck nailed its launch. And thats why i think all the other handhelds are struggling. As someone who ended up with a gpd win max 2, the only reason i gave up my steamdeck is bcause i wanted a keyboard for typing, and a second nvme slot. But for people who want to game only, it actually just works.
Yep, and it's nice that you had the option to get exactly the features you wanted right!? I don't understand this guy arguing options is a bad thing. Wild. I'll take a $200 Claw when people start selling them used... Lol
Same for me, i keep my steamdeck but GDP win max 2 is better and more useful.
what the hell is the point of this video, he is mad cause a lot of companies are making handheld pc gaming devices now?!?!?
exactly! He's mad because- more options? Also he doesn't realize that the Deck has touchpads and a gyroscope to use as a mouse for aiming too
I'm confused too
I think the point is that many brands try to jump into handheld PCs following Steamdeck well-received by the gaming community but do not make a proper design which leads to making half-executed products in a hurry that have issues in hardware, software, ecosystems or customer services. Implies that these companies do not really care about making competent handheld devices other than jumping onto the profit bandwagon
@@Bayofthe91st probably. I also somewhat agree with him, but the point of the video was not so clear this time. Anyway. Go PC!!! 😂
The vita segment wasn’t properly explained. It didn’t merely fail because of 15 millions units being sold. The real reason the predecessor (psp). Piracy was so bad (Sony MAJORLY restricted the capabilities of that unit) devs didn’t want to risk it again. So Sony in their infinite wisdom made a proprietary storages solution that was HELLA expensive (even to this day). Then did weird tweaks to the unit to prevent custom ps1 games from playing on the vita. The final nail in the coffin was devs lost so much money thx to piracy on the psp they were afraid to return for the vita. With Sony being practically the only studio supporting the unit minus a handful of third party devs. The support wasn’t there to justify buying the units. Plus I just remembered they had a cellar unit as well was cost a pretty penny if I’m not mistaken. It was huge dumpster fire for sure but it wasn’t solely because only 15 million units sold. That was the outcome of all the BS surrounding the system sad part is the system was AWASOME. Just horribly limited and issues with psp lead to an early grave.
Vita became really popular with small studios toward the end of its life, particularly Western indies and Japanese visual novel companies. The unwillingness to make games for it mostly came from the big publishers. But the type of studios that gravitated toward the Vita also highlights issues with the hardware itself: It's not weak enough for big 3rd-party publishers consider it appropriate for their budget projects like Liberation Maiden, Nano Assault, Persona Q, Stella Glow, Theatrhythm, Bravely Default, etc... the 3DS seemed more appropriate for that. It's also not powerful enough to be a PS3 on the go, so all it got was scuffed ports of home console games that play better on a home device while NOT having guaranteed Cross Buy with all titles that are also on PS3/PS4. Major mistake on Sony's part for not guaranteeing Cross Buy from the start, making the proposition of the Vita to buyers as having a separated, isolated library from their PS3/PS4.
Vex: "We need more companies making GPUs because we don't like monopoly. More competition = Lower prices for consumers."
Also Vex: "WHY ARE TOO MANY COMPANIES MAKING GAMING HANDHELDS! VALVE ALREADY MADE A GREAT HANDHELD! STOP MAKING MORE!"
Steam Deck is the only handheld you need. XBOX and Sony Handhelds would be different if they allowed playing their console games on the go.
wdym bro? xbox doesnt really need a handheld tbh because most of these handhelds run on windows and xbox games generally run on windows lol. if xbox is gonna make one their gonna lock its OS like steam deck
@@paulojamesminimoisaac7858 bro , i know that XBOX games are on PC , however making a dedicated XBOX handheld that does use Microsoft Store and links your purchases to your actual XBOX (like Steam Deck does with Steam) that plays the console versions of their games , especially certain games that didn't make it to PC , it would be great.
not to mention , XBOX Gamepass does NOT work on Steam Deck either.
Ultimately it comes down to price as well.
@@paulojamesminimoisaac7858 SteamOS is not locked tho? ... its a Linux OS with a console like UI as its front end.. while you can do alot of things on the back end via Desktop Mode.
It’s not future proof, it struggles to play modern triple a titles and the few they can run at stable frame rate got GameCube graphics
@@StopJerkingOffI’m confused at what you’re attempting to say. If you using the fact that it struggles to play certain games as your proof, then the argument is futile. You’re disregarding any further upgrades + changes to the products, as well as the tech industry as a whole. Also, not everyone has the same gaming preferences, as if indie games and emulation don’t exist.
blue collar guy here. I play my ROG ALLY allot when I'm on my lunch break at work. I also use it at home if i want to play on the couch and spend more time with wife and kids. Then at bedtime i fire up the 4070 super and finish my night there.
GPD predates the Steam Deck by many years. And the Win Max 2 is an amazing machine. You'd think holding a mini laptop to reach the sticks and buttons would be somehow awkward, but it's not. And a 10.1" screen is incredible for a handheld.
the steam deck is the only one that focuses on the efficiency instead of being only a "big numbers" machine like the others, and thanks to that, it still has the betteer performance/efficiency/battery ratio of them all, and as we are talking about PORTABLE machines, that is KEY feature.
Besides that it also has the more user friendly experience of the them all, being the only one that has a trully plug & play first use, intalling ALL you need by itself, and with a console-like inferface wich is the most casual pc experience you can find out there.
Those two points, plus the price and the customer support of valve are the ones that make the steam deck the favourite of the community even if its not the most powerful one, because again, in a portable device, thats not the main point, and that is why the others are failing.
Basically small gaming laptop vs proper handheld.
Yet it is still quite big for a portable device.
It’s not fair to compare a handheld to a fully built PC, specially when talking to someone that doesn’t have both and is on the fence about which one they are buying. The price difference is simply too big and people often forget to include how much they spent on their desk, gaming chair, monitor, mouse, and headset/speakers.
What is fair is comparing to laptops though
We do not have enough competition still. They are all the same. Same chip, same ram, some IO.... I also don't think you leave your bedroom too often because if you did you knew how these handled devices are amazing. My job as a flight crew here in Europe where we use public transportation and lets me play away from my main rig (4k 144hz Rtx 4090 7800x3d) and from my kids is a blessing. I just think you are too young to understand this. You also live in USA thats shorten things too.
And it can only get better from here. Once someone cracks the battery life conundrum, this whole market is going to explode. Up until now, they've mainly focused on lower-power chips to increase battery life, but if someone can actually create a battery that can last longer while still delivering high performance, handheld gaming will only get better. It's coming. The only question is: who will get there first?
I would buy a cheaper gpd win mini type device but nobody wants to make one for under the crazy price GPD has
As a seafarer who works at ship for 9 months i think we need handheld like this as bringing pc is nuissiance as airport are strict to kg limit and even water capacity of aios i dont wanna risk custom will comfiscate my pc.
The MSI claw is the only handheld people weren't really excited about. And bro, don't be so American-brained. Other countries exist, and the handheld market is a blessing to them.
everyone wants a piece of that handheld pie, that's why we're seeing all the companies are building their own machine.
Your argument is absolutely terrible, you say since we already have so many handhelds on the market, why do we need more the reason? Because of variety, some of them offer different features. Some of them are cheaper but some of them are more expensive like the steam deck compared to the rog Ally. They're basically the same price so you have to make a choice. Do you want the experience or the games? And if I apply your argument that you just used to anything else it breaks down, like monitors for example. We already have so many monitors. Why do we need more? There's already so many on the market. It's because they offer different features, Plus gaming handhelds are pretty important in third world countries. I saw a few other comments saying the same thing
I bought one because I travel for work. And a lot of the times I’m in the middle of nowhere so I usually just eat and play steam deck in my hotel.
I convinced my coworker to buy a steam deck for his kid instead of a switch. He has steam so he can use steam family to share games, and the games are much cheaper than on switch. You can set up an emulator to lay switch games, and if his son is patient, you can get games you want for cheap. He was patient and got stardew valley half off on steam summer sale. Instead of paying 40$ on switch. A console that when it runs out of support, you lose that library. Now his son will own that game forever.
You forgot the “I’m trying to get into the PC market as a console gamer” category. Longstory short these are people who want to build up a steam library before committing to getting a PC. A handheld PC in my opinion is a great “ice breaker” for those entering PC gaming
You can easily take it with you room to room, can easily take it to a friends house, can easily share it with friends/family, you can use it for actual work at home and on the go. The use cases are more versatile than you think. Most people aren’t playing modern AAA games anymore so HW isn’t an issue, and most people don’t really care about graphics or framerate as long as the game plays and they get the other benefits that work for them. Basically it’s a better laptop for a lot of people. The key thing most of these companies miss is a good docking solution. Having a dock at every location in the house it would be used is great and eliminates the need for in home game streaming or multiple pcs. They’re also pretty cheap which is also nice. They’ll also hold their value longer than any gpu… I can keep going but the point is it may not work for you, but for a lot of people it works well. I haven’t played a game at my desk in years at this point, but in home streaming has it drawbacks.
Gaming Handhelds are still NEW. It will take some time for it to mature, just like any other tech.
In the PC space, yeah.. Gaming Handhelds aren't new. They've been around for near 40 years.
@@TonyJennyeah but it was more niche back then
Honestly I bought a Steam Deck OLED 2 months ago and haven't looked back. Literally zero regrets, even if some of the competitors are technically more advanced/powerful. The SD has that "it" factor. I think it'll be looked back on as a really special piece of gaming hardware one day.
Forgot to add, the fact that I can play Elden Ring Shadow of The Erd Tree on medium settings at 30-40 fps ANYWHERE is just so cool to me
More competition typically leads to lower prices, more options on hardware quality at different price points, more features, and better experiences.
As for why one would want to game on something like a steam deck over a desktop. That's definitely more of a preference thing. I and many grew up playing games on handhelds. My first handheld was a gameboy color and I played the hell out of the Pokemon games on it and the Zelda games. I frequently played the gameboy even though I had a tv and console in the same room with me. I could play the gameboy and watch tv in the same room. If I wanted to, I could take the gameboy into the living room and watch tv with the family while playing the gameboy.
Years later when the Switch came out I had long forgotten why anybody would want to play on the screen when you could just play on a tv or computer monitor. And then I got one. I initially expected I would play it docked most of the time, but found I preferred playing it handheld for the most part.
Even before the Steam Deck had been announced I was already interested in handheld PCs. Back before the SD it was mostly Aya Neo's and GPDs offerings that were available. But the price is mostly what kept me away. So when the Steam Deck was announced and it had a more affordable price I decided I would get one. I got in line like everybody else at the time and several months later time came to pay and I bought one.
The Steam Deck is my main way to play most games. I do have a desktop PC that is more powerful, but I generally prefer the versatility of the Deck. I can take it anywhere and play on it even within the house. If I am going somewhere for the night I take it with me as well. It even works well as a video player too if I just want to watch a movie or something.
I’m not clear on whether you like it or not….any handheld.
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You are missing the point. These companies are striving to remain relevant in a rapidly evolving market. The handheld form factor is ideally suited for Nintendo, as their platform thrives on first-party software designed for small screens. Valve's goal is to release a console that attracts as many console gamers as possible, not to entice PC players to buy the Steam Deck. Hardware sales are not profitable, and PC gamers already have extensive Steam libraries, making them unlikely to purchase games specifically for the Steam Deck. The real opportunity for software sales comes from gamers switching from PS5 or Xbox, who lack a compelling small-screen experience. This explains Sony's hasty launch of the underdeveloped PS Portal.
It's normal...every company wants a piece of the cake...what's the problem, they should bring out hundreds more.
You always decide for yourself whether you need it... as with everything
Good vid, I honestly agree with a bunch of the points but I do have to make a correction on some info you gave on device release history towards the beginning of the video, the original gpd win (that weird laptop one) predates the switch(march 2017) by about 6 months(October 2016) and as they slowly improved on the design and power of the device over the years others jumped in like Ayaneo and onexplayer. The steam deck came out far after a lot of competition already existed. You are right that many more company's are coming out of the wood works as a response to the steam deck.
This isn't stupid, it's history. Nobody knew how to navigate a computer. Everybody came with their own ideas. And eventually, Mouse and Keyboard sticked in. This industry is new, it's part of the process.
So many of them are ally clones though which is understandable why it would be frustrating
Love this channel. He's so chill and to the point but explains in detail. Decided to keep my launch day steam deck because it was randomly starting to shut down on me while playing street Fighter 6 on Max settings.
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The legion go is one of the best devices i ever bought i can play gta v with 60 fps moded i even stopped playing with my 3080 rtx laptop thanks to the legion go
One of the main advantages of dedicated handhelds like the 3DS/Vita was that software is optimized for the hardware, Steamdeck has somewhat a similar aspect compared to the Windows Handhelds (who are running hardware agnostic software). Compiling a game to be optimized for hardware is very important especially for portable devices to minimize unnecessary power consumption otherwise you are glued to the wall.
Honestly, this whole discussion is quite amusing for those of us that grew up with gameboys.
I know this is a personal take on this discussion but If this was my perspective as a working dad, I just wouldn't game period if the choice was a gaming desktop or console. That actually happened to me shortly after buying a PS4 Pro and later I bought a PS5 at launch for some reason - I stopped gaming. Worked a 10+ hour day, wanted to at least be in the room with my kids after as we ate, allowing them to watch their favorite shows for most of the night. Would end the night beside my wife and had to decide to leave her to go to a separate room to game or just be on my phone or do stuff with her (watch a movie or show with her on her tablet, what did you think I was going to say.) Weekend might be a possibility but that's when I spend the most time with my family and the night would be the usual.
So Gaming for me stopped sometime in 2018. Didn't have time or the feeling to put an effort due to prioritizing family.
If it wasn't for the Switch or the Steamdeck, I wouldn't be gaming today. The convenience of being able to play a little bit at work, play while being in the room with my kids as they watch these crap shows made today, or play next to my wife at anytime has been fantastic. Stop and resume at any moment needed has been great. So I sold my consoles and tossed away the idea of a desktop.
For some of us with a bit higher responsibilities than others, these gaming handhelds have been a godsend. Ally, Legion Go, Steamdeck, Switch, or retro handhelds - whatever handheld you game on, I'm sure myself and others that just don't have the time to stay locked away at a particular location are appreciative these handhelds exist so we can still game anytime anywhere.
You have one of the easiest jobs ever being a RUclipsr. My dad works from 9:00 to 6:00 as an oil field worker, and still makes time to play his steam Deck
You are kind of ignoring the fact that some of those companies were making these PC handhelds for quite a while before the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck basically piggy-backed off of them and slapped a nice price tag on top, taking it out of niche into more spotlight.. sure, Asus, Lenovo, MSi and Zotac are basically just putting out *something* to seem relevant, but they do also provide actual Windows support and driver compatibility.
Why do we need more than one PC brand, or phone brand, or car brand?
What are your headphones they look like akg k240?
well these days tech just made me see how much value i can get with a 100 bucks tablet. been using it as a polystation basically, n64, ps1, snes, gba, gbc, damn what a great console. imagine telling people in the 90s one day u could just emulate all their cool games in a single cheap piece of hardware. im loving it
I still wish someone made an actual mainstream portable handheld. One that can fit in your pocket, but is PC based. I don't care if it's specs are at best slightly above the PS3.
Ayn odin 2 mini is pocketable it's a few inches bigger than a PSVita
The first GPD Win was exactly that. Its battery life was also so great that I didn’t even bother turning the screen off before putting it into my pocket and just leaving it there for my entire school day.
Who even buys these?
How do you even enjoy a game on a screen so tiny?
It depends on the game, millions of people grew up with a Nintendo DS or Gameboy
You should borrow one and find out, I game on a 65 inch Oled at home, but I like the fact that I can take the Ally anywhere and just play when I cant be home. Shooting games are a bit of a pain, but every other game works great on a small screen.
this technology is good but still needs more time to be actually viable for most gamers
Good video well articulated , explajned
Handhelds are great for certain things, like I use my phone for emulation games on the go but they obviously struggle with newer games etc.
I'm gonna get a Steam Deck for that reason soon, I play the demanding games at home anyway and my job is going to be changing soon where I'll go on public transport for 3-4 days.
I've been playing and working on a large screen so I can't see myself using these Tiny screens.
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I can easily move my laptop anywhere in the house and even have a couch desk for it, a 8" high black closet container from The Container Store. I just don't get why anyone would want to play on a mini screen.
I work on my PC and that association + back pain doesn't make me want to play games on it too. Handhelds are amazing.
having recently gotten a steam deck (3 days ago), i gotta say it's a complete gamechanger for me
i usually have trouble playing singleplayer games on my laptop, and mostly end up playing online games (destiny 2 in this instance), & i'd feel bad for not continuing the endless amount of games i started & never bothered to continue. Now with the steam deck, i can relegate those single player games (outside of shooters cuz i suck at aiming with controller) to the handheld, and play destiny without feeling the guilt of not continuing my sp games. i picked up blasphemous 2 again because of it and i sunk around 6 hours easily in one go, something i'd probably never be able to do on my laptop nowadays
i know its mostly a me issue but man am i glad to have my steam deck, though i understand the sentiment voiced in this great video. thanks!
What people don't realize is that these "handhelds" are secretly vying for a spot in your living room as an alternative to consoles. They are Xbox with slightly more mobility. Heck, I'd not be surprised if most of these are concepts developed as a bid to be the Xbox handheld manufacturer, and just pushed out as products because they already invested on R&D and manufacturing pipeline.
A lot of people might think the portability is these handheld's greatest feature, and it is a great strength, but the true brilliance lies in reducing friction to game access. All these games you used to have to fire up on the PC to play is now accessible anywhere, and the screen + controller form factor reduced the need for additional accessories. It's cool that I can take these on the train and planes, but really, where these devices shine is when your partner wants to watch Survivor and you want to do some organizing inn Stardew Valley, you get to sit down in the same space, spend time with one another chit chat, and still do things you want to do
Nice review sir. Im plan to buy this one🎉🎉🎉
I like having all of these options, but it makes me worry for the companies because how many of these from each company need to be sold successful?
I have a GDP win 4, I use it when i'm away at the family holiday house as a HTPC with a wireless keyboard and mouse.
Unfortunately that's about the only time i can use it as, well...work 😥
I live in the Caribbean and own a Lenovo Legion Go. This is gold for a casual PC player like myself. it's not for everyone but it definitely has a place. to buy something like this you save some for months or go and work during the summer, you have to consider also the second-hand market, that is how people get iPhones. As for me, I have a gaming laptop but I prefer to play with LLG since the computer is for work, it's also more convenient if I'm in my Mother-in-Law's house or simply I'm in another place and have to sleep there, also I fell more immersed in the handheld. I'm not saying everybody can buy this like not everybody is a PC gamer...
Biggest selling point of gaming handhelds, especially steam deck is that you can play already bought games on the go. Not everyone buys this to play latest games. Many old school gamers play older games on the go. Not everyone is stuck to work from home sort of job. Additionally, cost of owning a gaming pc is higher than a steam deck + laptop. Basic office jobs can easily be done on a simple 200 to 300 dollars laptop. RETAIL cost of PC (total cost of a custom build) and recurring monthly electricity bill takes toll on average consumer especially in 3rd world countries. I see mobile phones becoming powerful enough to run older pc games and handheld getting better at playing latest games at 60fps in near future. Right now, we can play a decade older games like GTA 5 on a decent $600 smartphone using emulators like winlator. Not many are hardcore gamers who can afford rtx 4070 or more. The total cost of a laptop + steam deck + a decent smartphone
I always find time to play my steam deck on a daily basis, it's been the best gaming investment that I've ever had and I'll never let it go, and you can try prying it for my cold dead hands 😂
I didnt think I would use the deck much before I actually got one but since I got it, I haven't gamed on my gaming laptop at all. I work a full time job and am busy even after work. I find myself gaming alot more now. Most of my laptop gaming session would be doing updates for windows and graphics drivers. With the steam deck, the updates are quick even though they happen often. Plus the console like experience keeps me focused on gaming instead of getting sidetracked with other things I can do on a PC. It's so much easier to get in a bit of gaming when I can bring the deck anywhere in my house and throw on some earbuds so I don't disturb anybody with noise. And the sleep and resume functionality on the deck is amazing
If you have kids, the Steam Deck is huge. Even with a nice PC setup, I can't spend hours away from my family in my office. The Deck allows me to play anywhere around the house without isolating myself, and crucially, I can pause at any time with the suspend/resume. That's one thing the windows handhelds can't match.
When gpu prices were at their highest and I was too broke to invest into a new setup after moving the Steam Deck was a amazing replacement and while you had to do sketchy stuff to get dualboot working and sometimes have to re configure stuff due to steam pushing a firmware or bios update, at the time of launch it was a no brainer portable gaming pc to buy for that price point even considering how limited the APU was with some more tinkering you can squeeze some more perfomance out of the Deck that makes games feel considerably more stable. And even when its outpaced in the current Gen you still have such a huge collection of Games to play that you will always find something enjoyable to play on it.
I travel often for work and use a SteamDeck mostly for productivity as it is a full fledged computer and runs everything I need without a hitch. It checked all boxes; Portability/Size, price point, The battery backup, graphic capabilities, expandable memory, Bluetooth and HDMI on dock. I will replace it once Smart phones reach that level, and they are almost there.
bro consistently has L takes. It's actually impressive how often one person can miss the mark. That's what happens when you're out of touch ig
Handhelds are awesome and I'm loving seeing more form factor options. Travelling for work I need to carry my work laptop and it's nice being able to bring along a gaming focused PC as well without lugging 2 laptops.
I think your missing out on the point that windows handheld like Legion go can be connected to an egpu (like Onexplayer egpu) and act like a desktop PC and deliever similar performance.
I'd say you should to try out
Handelds are for us dad's Vex, let us play our games in bed after kids are asleep.
My deck is currently my kitchen computer docked w/k+b. I'm getting older and I've entered the phase of playing Chess.
*sigh*
when ur settle down, get married, having kids (especially a baby), a job where u need to travel from one place to another, thats when u realize u need to stop criticize someone else preference on playing video games especially when they r prefer handheld pc instead of an actuall pc
He's just too young to understand, haha :)))
Imagine have only 3 videocards to choose when building a new pc.. and after 2 years u have the same 3 models because theres no new videocards...
No more handhelds = no price drop and no competition
Just how big is the actual market? Not all of us are RUclipsrs covering these products.
I had the Rog Ally and the steam deck LCD and I absolutely LOVED both of them. The deck for the OS, simplicity and the "just work" feel to it, the ally for the size(while not that much smaller than the deck, it was noticeable more compact and easy to carry), the windows + gamepass, the screen and the power when plugged(terrible battery though), but I am in the same situation as you, I don't really leave my house that often as I do work very little, so it was just sitting there without much use, as I would just prefer playing on my gaming pc, I really wished I could've found more use for them and while I brought the ally with me on my trip to asia for 2 months, once I was back home I just sold it. I also wished there was a "deck mini", because while the deck is awesome, it's too cumbersome to be called portable, as you would need to take up to 40% of your backpack space if you want to bring it with you on a trip, hence why I prefered the ally.
And like someone mentioned, on developing countries is a very good value proposition, as you can actually have a 1 device to rule them all, using as your pc connected to a screen, keyboard and mouse AND as your handheld for less than the price of a decent graphics card+cpu combo.
I got a steamdeck because I frequent the hospital some 2 years ago. Now that I'm fine, I barely touch it.
To be fair, all the handheld PC makers outside of the US were making handhelds long before the steam Deck came out. (AYANEO, GPD, Onexplayer)
Some going all the way back to 2016
If you are a train or bus rider and get an hour lunch break and before bed thats up to 4 opportunities to get play time in especially for games that aren't super demanding
I bought a MSI Claw, gave it about a week, and it took have that time to update and install things. It was a nice device to hold, and the system has a lot of cool features, but I couldn't play Halo MCC reliably.
The steam deck and other handhelds are a middle ground option for those that can't justify a full pc due to size and attention commitments, but still want something that can do PC games. The problem is that they are basically already as good as they can be for the current hardware limitations. To try to put more horsepower in them requires additional cooling, less battery life, enlarging of form factor, etc, all for marginal at best gains to actual playability of games. I feel like the target market for stuff like the Steam Deck and Ally are actually those wanting a console and those wanting to make the switch from console to PC but aren't comfortable just diving in. When you actually look at prive vs performance, as all in one packages that come with 'keyboard' 'mouse' and screen of decent quality, the deck and other handhelds are actually pretty interesting. It's helped quite a bit by that smaller screen letting lower resolutions still look really good, but yeah.
It's for this reason that emulation handhelds actually tend to have more hype around them, as they are actually doing different form factors, managing to make advancements in capabilities within their size, etc. That and a lot of them are ACTUALLY pocketable and have proper 'sleep'/stasis modes built in. While yes, they are limited in what kinds of games can be put on them, let's be real, how many people will actually manage to play even the entire highlight reel from JUST the GBA?
I got one strictly for emulation I can emulate almost anything on my Phone but not the PS3 or the XBox 360 and being able to play those games on a portable device comes with a certain charm you just can't get any other way
Getting one is crazy but getting an asus one is crazy+wild
Man I wish I bought the Steam Deck sooner. I built two gaming PCs recently, and found a refurbished Deck at GameStop in extremely good condition that I've been doing most of my gaming on recently. Steam Deck is perfect for getting through that backlog of games I've built up over the years, and PC gaming from the bed is so comfy! 🤗🤗
dave the diver has the look of an indie game, but it isnt one.
Nice that Switch can be TV console but with a laptop hub and controller, so can the Steam Deck (and likely the others as well). I paid $70 for Tears of the Kingdom. I've been collecting PC games on Steam since 2010ish and have a huge collection already. The problem for me is the use case. I just don't use a handheld very often as I have a gaming PC on a 48" OLED.
1. You can also say that there are too many companies that make laptops
2. Handhelds are a niche market. Companies like GPD have actually been around a lot longer than ppl realize, making pocketable devices for engineers, etc.
3. APUs are getting better and more efficient
4. Competition is a good thing. The problem is companies that release too many models in the same year such as Aya neo
I do value the portability and efficiency of devices, and was thinking of getting a Steam Deck, but I'm still not 100% certain.
My anecdotal experience in Japan teaching:
Video games are the Switch.
Other people play on phones (note, iPhone only).
Vtubers have PCs.
Sometimes people still use Playstations.
After the second line of the above there is a HUGE drop off. Unless you can play on the go people tend not to like games systems.
I have a very powerful desktop, but I play on a handheld more because I actually like playing on the handheld form factor. Sometimes you just want to get away from the desk.
And here I thought you were going to talk about those small emulation handhelds. Becasue that segment is even larger and more ridiculous.
I used my steamdeck A TON when I was going to college. After I earned my degree I found myself using it far less often so I ended up selling it. I got a maxed out gaming PC and a decent gaming laptop, so the steamdeck was redundant. Awesome little machine though. I'd buy another one if my lifestyle required it again.
My complaint about these devices is the lack of mouse&keyboard. At least if they had a mouse or keyboard, they could actually be the mobile AIO devices laptops have always dreamed of becoming. The laptop form factor just isn't as mobile as this.
Aya Neo has one, but you gonna pay a premium over the others for sure
Thos biggest issue with steamdeck is only steam library or way to much effort to get none steam library things to run on it. I own about 800 games and only 112 are on steam
I was sort of interested when the steam deck 1st came out. But it didnt seem like it had enough power and the screen was a little top small. Then the legion go came out and thats the one i got.
Been pretty happy with it
Also keep in mind you can stream tbe game from steam with the power of your pc. That works super well for me
BTW you know the Microsoft handheld will be Xbox not Windows...
We need more!