Explaining the Difficulty of Genesis 22 from the Temple Mount
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2014
- Genesis 22 is a difficult passage. What is the meaning of God having Abraham attempt to sacrifice his son. You may be surprised what Dr. Turek has to share in this video from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
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This is amazing, thank you Frank. I didn't know Mt. Moriah was the same place where Pilate tried Jesus. That's not a coincidence!
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And publicly declared Jesus perfect. Blameless...
Wherever he goes, he "collects" people, he's an inspiration! He's like a bible virtuoso! First a believed people like Bill Maher and Christopher Hitchens, now I believe in the word of GOD! Thx Frank!
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Ummm now you just believe in goody fairy tales
@@supercoupe86 as we evolve, its important to remind the positive, and for longterm i believe, believing in yourself and believing in God is still the best way, welcome to the virtual journey!
@@supercoupe86 as we evolve, its important to remind the positive, and for longterm i believe, believing in yourself and believing in God is still the best way, welcome to the virtual journey!
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Its history man!
Those aren't fairy tales, Jesus is the man who tore apart history into A.D. and B.C.
Thats why you're living in 2020 A.D. (Anno Domini - In the year of our Lord)
Now that was a quite a fine sermon right there. Hallelujah!
God was also looking for someone who would be willing to give his only son, just as God would do through Jesus. He wanted a bloodline coming from that type of person to reflect the selfless love that God shows us.
I never saw it like that. That is a very interesting point!
The way I understand it God just wants to know that we would be prepared to sacrifice our son.
This shows that we put nothing in our lives above God, nothing at all.
Although God sacrificed His own Son to save us, He would NEVER allow us to go through with it.
Just as with Abraham and Isaac.
It is by living this Way that God protects you and your children.
Wow! I love how you made the analogy with the image in the coin for Caesar with us as the image of God for Him. Wonderful.
"And let us make man in our image and our likeness" Genesis 1:26
"Whose image is this?" Matthew 22:20
Caesar made a coin in his own image, God made us in his. Give to caesar what he values, give to God what he values.
I'm so glad we have men like Frank, he has taught me so much.
@@scottwall8419 I watched a video by Simone a year so that explained too, I was amazed by that as well . Glory to God
Thank you, Frank. A Sunday school lesson in five minutes
When I saw frank with people around him talking about god, I imagined Jesus preaching to a crowd of people just like this. Wowww
Anyone else saddened by that mosque sitting in that spot of majesty?
A Jewish temple would be just as sad in my opinion.
It's not where the Lords temple will be...it will be in the city of David...
Delon Duvenage thank you for saying that , I too was thinking the same about an Islamic icon sitting there but this has opened my mind , it’s the heart of mankind that is evil not buildings
Is that a mosque or the Baha'I temple?
I know what you mean. God's Providence still abounds. That false god's temple is there for a reason. The temple is now each person who accepts The Holy Spirit. (As cool as an actual temple would be) it would probably lead to idolization of the temple mount. Just like if we had the original Pauline Epistles, there would probably be people in the world that would worship them (like how Catholics consider the communion elements to be actual flesh and blood of Christ-that is idolatry)
May God bless you for all eternity Frank 🙏
Thanks for the enlightenment. It brings the truth home even closer.
"who's image is on you?" wow.. love it!
I've heard many times from preachers that Isaac symbolized Christ but Isaac was not sacrificed. It makes more sense that Isaac was a type of the saved Christian, because he was just about to receive death but God intervened and provided Himself a sacrifice. The ram with his head in thorns would symbolize Christ. (Crown of thorns)
The Bible is amazing. I like how he made the analogy on the image in the coin to us as the image of God and that we oath to give where it is due. It’s so deep. I can’t wait to know everything I need to know when I’m with Him. Just imagine all questions will be answered. I wish that the atheists have such enthusiasm as me at the time of our last breath.
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The ram is Christ.
Open your eyes to the bigger picture. In ancient Roman empire it was okay to offer human sacrifices. It would start with animal sacrifices, if the gods (Or God) is/aren't pleased, you sacrifice a virgin and the ultimate sacrifice was a son. How can the almighty God - This paragon of wisdom conform to this barbaric, hideous acts of human sacrifices and sacrifice his only begotten son???.
Tom Foolish God gave His only Son, but He didn’t force Him. That concept isn’t even possible. Christ gave himself. He stepped in and took what was owed us, and you.
My friend and I do bible discussions via txt messaging. One recent morning, on Gen 22, we saw the following:
Abraham (the father)
sacrifices Isaac / the lamb (the son)
at the Mount in Moriah (Calvary/Praetorian),
Isaac moves to Beer Lahai Roi (heaven, note Isaac is not mentioned until much later),
Abraham's wife Sarah dies (Jerusalem/Israel?),
then Abraham's unnamed servant (the Holy Spirit)
prepares Rebekah as bride (the church)
and presents her to Isaac (the son)
and they go back to Sarah's tent (the new Jerusalem/Israel?) to live.
I am sure there's a whole lot more; I am an amateur at this and don't speak the Hebrew. But when I saw all this all I could think of was: what do I do with all that?
It's a type of... Just as Enoch is a type of the church and Elijah is the type of the Jews for the raptures to come
Logan G '''GOD LORD JESUS''' BLESS YOU
I'm always amazed at how deeply God our Father loves us. There are no boundaries to it. He had our salvation in his mind right from the start. Whatever happened with Abraham and his sons and further the Israelites before Jesus came, everything had a meaning. God is indeed very intelligent. And that intelligent being is our eternal father who loves us so much. That's just so great. Praise be to the Lord
I wish I had a Bible texting friend....
Man that is deep. Check out the genealogy from Adam to Noah as well.
Thank you- belonging to God and bearing his image... re-giving myself to God.
Dr . Turek, Jesus is blessings you more and more as His light, all over the world.
Amen
Wow... our image is God's image so render to God what belongs to God.
Thank you sir, that make sense.
Gin,
Isaac carried the wood on his back up the mount, and Christ carried the cross on His back...
The faith of Abraham is the kind of faith that saves. Remember Abraham believed the promise of God. He knew that Isaac and Isaac's children were part of that promise. He knew that even if he killed Isaac that Isaac would be raised. He had that much faith.He even knew that God would supply the sacrifice. He had that much faith.
I don't think he operated on faith, but from fear "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God." (Genesis 22 verse 12). Although I would hope that Abraham, like you said before about him having faith that his son would be brought back, had that in mind when sacrificing him.
Now I know the text is saying that God will provide a sacrifice, but the way the King James is translated I feel like it conveys the hidden message here even better. The King James says, God will provide "himself" a sacrifice. Again I know this is just the wording that was used at the time of the translation, but isn't it beautiful how the text can also be read to say that God will provide "himself" as the sacrifice. I just find it interesting and beautiful.
Great sermonnette Frank!
Be glad to see that gold dome in the background gone one day...and it will be one day. Of course that dome will be the beginning of an end, but once the Lord touches down on the Mt. of Olives, He will set up shop!
looking forward to it
I believe the exact positioning of the Temple is not in the same place as the dome, and so they could sit side by side, tho I'd also like to see the blasphemous IsIam memorial removed as well.
Praying one day soon, l'll be able to visit this place, l pray by faith in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior, amen!!!
Thank you Frank! Your an inspiration
Frank , thank you & Mahalo --> J Turek
So good!
Those people didn't seem to know who was talking to them... They were like, ok, I'll listen to the tour guy...
Thank you Father God for loving us so much that you sacrificed your Son to bring us back too you!!
When was this recorded?
Beautiful
Where Frank says "types", I would say "foreshadows" Jesus.
Is there a reputable (all inclusive) travel company for traveling to Israel for visiting the holy land for Christians ?
Isaac would not have been a child because he's also carrying the wood for the fire. He would have been a grown man and that's what makes this even more amazing. Isaac cooperates with his father so that God's will is done.
This story in the bible is ment to show a true beliver. Jesus did not come to me as I asked for 2 weeks praying, crying, and reading the bible because I wanted to be forgiven for my sins. Weed, porn, and masterbarion. He did come to me when I had the opportunity to sin again and actively said enough is enough and I submitted to him that day. He then showed me the light. Jesus wants you to seek him honestly and he will appear when your heart matches your words. God bless.
Give on scrap of irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable, conclusive piece of evidence your Jesus ever existed.
I couldn't think of anything more cooler. Than to go on a tour to Israel with Dr Frank. That would be the bee's knees.
Frank looks like a 3rd base coach. U know guy that got hurt in the minors. Now he's coaching in the majors. I'd love to go on a trip like that with u leading. Where do i sign up?
I was expecting something along the line of Søren Kierkegaard's exegesis of genesis 22 in his book Fear and Trembling
Excellent teaching in a Jerusalem tour nice! Just small correction sir, Joseph was sold for twenty silver pieces (shekels) not thirty. :) Thanks for your videos!
Abraham's faith in the Lord and His promises was tested when he was commanded to sacrifice his covenant son, Isaac. When Abraham proved his faithfulness, the Lord spared Isaac and provided a substitute sacrifice. The Lord then confirmed the covenant He had previously made with Abraham.
It was typical in those days for people to sacrifice their children to their gods. This wouldn’t have been something unusual for people back in the day. But God stopped Abraham because He was going to sacrifice His Son for mankind.
God is, has been, and will always be
God will always exist he is eternal
If a god tell you that he die and then come back to life by his own power then he really didn't die. There needs to be an external force in order to bring him back.
Conclussion God has not die ever his son did for us and God brought him back becose he conquer death and that is sacrifice something you do outside of your own power thats why is worth it
I agree with everything Dr. Turek said up until he said we have to follow Jesus for the rest of our lives in order to be saved. That is works and no flesh shall be saved by the works of the law. We SHOULD follow christ for the rest of our lives, but if you trust in yourself following him and doing good things for him to save you, then you are not saved because your trusting in your works and your reliance is not in your faith of Christ's sacrifice, but in yourself and how well you follow him. He said "if we give ourselves to him we will live forever" can you please name ONE verse in scripture that says you are saved by giving your life to Christ? There isn't one, it's faith every time in the NT that saves you. For ye are saved by grace through faith.
Depends what you define as works .
Changing your life style.
Doing what is right according
to the word .
Obeying the commandments.
If these are the works you speak of
then yes these you must do .
@@jimharmon2300 thats the exact opposite of what the bible says we must do to be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9: For by grace are ye saved through faith and this is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.
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Faith in what ?
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NKJV
Read Genesis chapters 12-20. Abraham has a vibrant relationship with GOD.
Benui Yesreile, or children of Israel, literally, really, and from the first use of that term in the ancient Phoenician language meant the stars in heaven; Yesreile being the Phoenician word for the planet Saturn, of whom all the celestial bodies within the range of his immense orbit are his children. Reverend Robert Taylor
And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Genesis 22:9&10
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Hebrew 11:17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46
And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Genesis 22:11&12
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
Matthew 26:39-44
In places like my homeland where the illiteracy rate is very high, it is often said that being illiterate doesn’t make you dumb. However, the degree to which senseless animosity demonstrably destroys us, it becomes quite clear that such approach of illiteracy doesn’t hold true. And since it seems to always have had ripple effects on societies all throughout our existence, we must assume that such a bogus idea is only propagated by demagogues to advance their own interests, when the proof of the contrary is quite palpable for anyone to see. That said, being deprived of your ability to think, and to ask questions before accepting anything to be worthy of our beliefs, simply lays the foundation for many obstacles that you probably would never see as wrong. And that precisely what Hebrew 11:17 entails in its interpretation of Genesis 22:10&11.
I bet if anyone were to do that today in the name of God, everybody else in the other side of the religious spectrum, wouldn’t hesitate one second to portray him or her as flat out ignorant. However, because it is said that God was the one to have explicitly asked Abraham to do so, it becomes an act of faith on the part of Abraham to God, even if that were to have been carried out in its entirety, which would mean that Abraham killed his very own son as requested by God . Apart from the demand that was believed to have been from God, is there any chance at all that Abraham would have done what he was about to do to his very own son? I would assume not. In this case, it doesn’t seem to be a bad idea to be cautious as far as religion is concerned. Now, it would be crazy to simply assume that God would have asked a father to put his very own son under the sword in any circumstances, and whoever that was, who posed as God and demanded Abraham to commit that horrendous crime, never should have been granted this much liberty to even think of so doing, let alone to have felt privileged enough to have gone as far as to wait to the very last minute, when Abraham pulled out his sword and was about to trounce Isaac, and yelled loudly to stop him. That in and of itself is mind-boggling, and deserves our scrutiny. Nonetheless, being blindfolded by our unconventional obedience to anything said to be coming from God, we wind up being victimized by own beliefs. Don’t put aside the possibility that the very one that we’re now worshipping, who ambitiously seeks to establish himself as God because of his strong thirst for glory, was the culprit behind the scene. If true, one can assume that the theatrical scene that occurred on the cross by that biblical figure , is nothing short of a divine payback to what he was on the verge of doing to Abraham. In fact, but for his well-deserved tragedy leading up to his demise, never would we have known him as a liar, based on various passages of the Bible where he portrays himself as God. If he were, he certainly wouldn’t have to pray in three instances to God to spare him right when he was about to be arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane, and ultimately at the cross, and at the very last second when he cried to God to come to his rescue before his passing. However, if there was a lesson to be learned from this, the messiah simply didn’t seem to get it, as well as the remaining angels over whom he, Jesus, holds dominion after the ouster of Satan , and allies, whom he got an encounter with , during the beginning of his ministry on earth. Now, if you want to ponder over a vast arrays of contradictory remarks in the Bible, you can sense that some thing isn’t right, since all of them cannot be true, that lead us to conclude that God plays way too much with his angels (devils) to our detriment . Therefore, we shouldn’t let our guard down, fearing we might as well be fooled by those moronic characters named angels (devils).
I already learnt that "coin symbol teaching in 2012", GOD gave me that understanding, I didn't make it up myself, I was enlightened.
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Joseph was sold for 20 pieces of silver. But you can assume they made a profit when selling to the Egyptians (very possibly 30 pieces of silver)
frank please come to hawaii
Since the non-sacrifice of Isaac was God's statement to the world that He does not accept human sacrifice, and because Jesus put an end to all blood sacrifice, I would simply say, "Father, did you hear that? Would you please tie up that devil and drag him through the land behind your chariot?" LOL And yes, that is exactly what I would say, or something very like it.
The ram that is sacrificed is the constellation Aries.
Does the parent ever face this dilemma while raising their children. Do parents face the situation where they will lose their child (i.e. the child's love or affection or that child sunny disposition) if the do the right thing i.e what God asks them to do. Yes. When ever their must correct the child and the reason can't be explained right away. This parable speaks to these situations and affirm that God will intervene especially when they feel they will certainly lose your child.
+Peter Bernard That is a bit of a stretch my brother.
I believe this is an example where the Old Testament does not apply well today, except as a metaphor or parable as you put it.
It is a lesson about being willing to give your best most treasured thing for The Most High Jah.
The ram was the temporary sacrifice of atonement when the son was offered. Jesus Gods son was later.
Jesus in the city but was sacrificed at Golgotha outside the city walls.
How to believe/trust?. How to believe what books/people say or write? Firstly, we have to find which religion is truth/true/right. How? We must have same definition or meaning of the truth/true/right. We must use same method to determine the truth/true/right. Believe => claim = test/check = see. This is normally practice by everybody when we buy/accept something/good which is expensive from other people(we see or we do not see).
Example: We buy a black pen in the shop was produced/manufactured by Marker(do not see) cost around 10K USD. Producer/Manufacturer(do not see) claim, It is black pen. Outside (can see), the apparent is black in colour. Inside(ink, can not see), we not sure, it is black or blue or other colour. So, we have to test/check it. Take white paper and write to it to confirm it. It is black. When I see, it is black, I believe/trust it. So, I buy/accept it without any doubt. If you do not want to test/check, it is up to you. It is your money. It is your life. Our life is only one chance given by god(can not see). When we die, we see the truth, we can not go back in this world(can see). It is too late. I obey what Allah say in Al Quran surah Al asr (The Time) 103(30): recommend one another to the truth. If we can see god and his power, there is only one religion. We have to obey the command/law/rule from that god only. For sure this world is peacefully.
Our faith is very expensive.Please open Al Quran Surah Al Hujurat 49: 6. O who believe! If a Fasiq (liar-evil person) comes to you with and news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done. Please open Bible John 4:1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test to see whether they are from God, for false prophets have gone out into the world. We test and verify the claim/message words of god from Bible (can see), Torah (can see), Al Quran(can see), and other religion books(can see). We must get/see same result(claim=test/check=see) or not. God(can not see) create man(can see). Man worship god. Question: How is god create man? What Method? God create man from ground dust(Torah,Bible, Quran) or man rib(Torah, Bible,Quran) or woman only(Bible,Quran) or Nutfah(mix drop of male (sperm) and female sexual(female egg cell/ova) discharge)-Quran, 1440 years ago, they did not see it, but now, we can see it by using electron microscopy. Or other religion books or other book?. We do testing/experimenting/checking to verify it, by using these method to create man. Everybody can test/experiment/check, verify and see it. Which method can create/produce man?.Answer: The claim/message/words of god in Al Quran is truth/true/right.
Conclusion: Certainly, we can create man by this method (claim by Al Quran). Al Quran is truth/true/right. Allah create man. Man belong to Allah. Man have to obey Allah rule/law. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w was the last prophet sent by Allah to us. This religion is truth/true/right. So, we have to believe/trust it . Please, read Al Quran and think. You get the answer. Sorry, my English is not very good.
The Bible is the true word of God.
The Muhammad of your religion was flawed. Jesus was perfect.
Is that the Baha'I temple?
No, it is the mosque built over the temple mount
I hope the angel let Isaac hear what he was saying!
Frank - I submit Abraham did not "..grab Issac and throw him onto the sacrificial alter." By the time this event occurred, Isaac would have been a grown man, late 20’s, early 30s. Abraham and very old man. Hence, it’s reasonable to assume two things:
- Abraham raised Isaac with the knowledge and fear of Jehovah
- Abraham told Isaac, at some point in the journey, the purpose of this trek. That Jehovah has instructed me to sacrifice you.
Issac, fully trusting in the Lord, voluntarily laid himself on the alter; as did Lord Jesus.
Grace & Peace.
He didn't resist his father or turn from the lord afterwards either.
Joseph was sold for twenty pieces of silver, not thirty, otherwise, this is very good. Ad:
I still can't believe this is what Father and Son Asked of Abreham. Christian God does not require blood secrfices , especially human.
The same God who told Abraham to sacrifice his son is the same God we worship today. People are quick to point out the story of Abraham and Isaac, but forget that God didn't actually want him to go through with it, only to decide he would. It's a test of faith.
The ram was the type of Christ, it is the ram that died ... not Isaac.
the ram and Issac are both types or christ
Isaac is a type of mankind. The Ram represents Jesus who took our place in judgment and death for those that believe on Him. Isaac could not have fulfilled nor even been a type of said fulfillment as we cannot earn our way to heaven. Only Jesus' death on the cross could do that, thus the Ram is He.
Revelation21NINE
no you are wrong,,,this is your opinion
@@8elionadvancing884 are u not understanding what he is saying? He is in agreement with your interpretation. He added to it inna necessary way. Isaac is all of us, the ram is the Christ. Took our place where death was supposed to pay for us.
@@8elionadvancing884 the ram in the thicket is the type of christ. The thicket(thorns) is the crown of thorns that was placed on the head of Jesus(the sacrifice provided by God).
Could this be the orgin of the Baal practice of child sacrafice? Could there be observers, copy cats, who got that event wrong?
I mean, the Baal practice of child sacrafice had to come from somewhere. And it appears that the Jews got a lot of things wrong. They were writing the Talmud on the side.
I can see the story of Abraham and Isaac being based surrounding pagan cultures, yet progressive in its day. Instead of the Jews sacrificing humans, they decided to sacrifice animals, which they attributed it to the commands of Yahweh. This story was written thousands of years after the event supposedly took place - it’s a story about the character of their Yahweh, not necessarily the retelling of actual events.
Why kill a lamb?
Yet people forget all about the Angel told Abraham, don’t touch the boy
The Bible says God will provide himself a sacrifice.
2:07 Turek makes the ladies sigh!
The angel of the lord stopped Him = Jesus stopped Him
Genesis 22:11-12 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
The angel of the Lord is Lord
Liked - and what!
Frank, I really like your teachings..but please don't embellish the Word. Scripture does not say Abraham threw him on the alter. Isaac was acting willingly. And if you see this is one of the clearest typologies in the OT of Jesus you understand Isaac was acting willingly.
The angel of the lord which in old testament is jesus
coin in the mouth of the fish a true miracle..
Turek never handled the cruelty of the story of Genesis 22. The only way that I can see this being avoided is if the story is and was intended to be seen as an allegorical statement by the writers. It isn't that Abraham would sacrifice his sun for God. It is that Abraham trusted God to make it come out OK even if he didn't understand. If you take the story as a literal event, then the outcome was still cruelty toward Abraham's child.
Of course it was that, God tested Abraham's faith, he demanded from him something that was against all his preconceptions, Abraham couldn't understand but if he really trusted God and trusted he was all good then he had to obey because he had to believe everything was going to end well. Abraham proved his faith and God blessed him with his covenant. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son for his love to God so God would sacrifice his son for Abraham's people and all the nation's of the Earth to save them.
Bruce Campbell Does the parent ever face this dilemma while raising their children. Do parents face the situation where they will lose their child (i.e. the child's love or affection or that child sunny disposition) if the do the right thing i.e what God asks them to do. Yes. When ever their must correct the child and the reason can't be explained right away. This parable speaks to these situations and affirm that God will intervene especially when they feel they will certainly lose your child. This story is archetypal like many of the other stories in Genesis and require the reader to look for messages between the lines.
Peter Bernard I agree that the stories of the bible have great literary value. My objection is the idea that the story is a historical account of a real event. As a parable, it is a wonderful story.
Bruce Campbell This account is possible because of faith in God and his belief in God's innate goodness. When faced with what seems to be a difficult request it better to defer to God's. If Abraham became more attached to the gifts rather than the giver the primary promise to make him father of nations would not have been fulfilled. Also, this is way before the exposition of the ten commandments. Perhaps Abraham was following a corrupt practice of the day which seemed normal (i.e. commanded by God) in another culture. Hope this helps.
Im a little confused. You called the story a parable but now you seem to be arguing that it is a literal account. In literature, a parable is a short work of fiction that is intended to carry a message of morality. It is often used to refer to the stories that Jesus told in the new testament. Do you think that the story of Abraham is literal or fictitious?
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Frank looks like an agent from the Matrix.
Its all about Christ.
i never thought that i d say this but TUREK AGGRES WITH ME ! Turek agrees that god sacraficed himself to himself to save us from himself !
4t4ktos god sacrifice himself to save us from the wages of our sin. God had no sin and god is not the results of sin. There is still judgment of sin for christian, but our sins can be forgiven and not end up in hades. If our heart is not right the sins remains in us. True forgiveness is only for those who truly believe in god and not for cunning people who agrees with lips but in their hearts trying to trick god. God knows the hears of individual. God did not choose to punish anyone for what he did, rather we will be punished for what we think and choose to do
dont forget, abraham tells his servants, the lad and I will return.
so he already had faith in God that God would raise his son up.
As far as I am aware Isac was a man not a teenager.
101Tony The Bible refers to him as a “boy”. I had always assumed that he was a pre-teen since 13 is the age of manhood according to Jewish customs (when a boy has his bar mitzvah). But it could be anywhere up to the age 19 since that’s the age at which can go to war (according to Old Testament law)
Genesis 22 >> Psalm 22
Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Ishmael not Isaac.
100% Correct NOT
Revelation 3:14 KJV
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Jesus is the first creation GOD created according to the above scripture alone. He is GOD'S only BEGOTTEN SON. Some how Christians preach Jesus is GOD, when in fact Jesus in Heaven or while physically on Earth is the Son of GOD. People should become deciples of Jesus Christ, that was a command of Jesus Christ, the Son OF GOD.
The ultimate "It's just a prank" moment
Turek, you are not addressing the issue that God asked a man to kill his son for him.
Are justifying this with Jesus?
I'm not sure what you mean about not addressing it. He told the whole story, assuming you're talking about Abraham. It was a test of faith. If you're talking about not addressing God sacrificing His son, that's kinda what the whole Christianity thing is about. So either way, the issue is addressed. You just might have some moral objection to it.
@@Malhaloc Uhhhm...the whole "difficulty" of Genesis 22 is the morality issue....
@@louisuchihatm2556 So it's a morality issue that God tested Abraham's faith?
@@Malhaloc uhhm...why the non-sequitar!
@@Malhaloc why are you dishonest.
You know where the ...uhmm .... 'immorality' lies.
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im continually amused with the twists and turns modern evangelists put on the scripture.
Take note that when the bible text says something nice you will never hear an evangelist speaking of context or twisting its message, its merely accepted as its written. Yet when the passage is anything but nice it starts getting worked over by these disingenuous people. And the more evil it is the more they spin.
This is called disengenous christianity, and unfortunately the world is full of them preaching untruths to many.
Do you just have a box full of straw men you pull out to try to make your points?
Maxim Wehi no.
+Paul Osbourne This is because humans try to understand God...it is our attempts to make sense of God's commands. His ways are not our ways and thoughts are not our thoughts however. Just because Frank is explaining..or others explain more in depth difficult passages does not mean they are doing something wrong.
+Jonathan Cox my opinion is they are being dishonest.
Paul Osbourne What about explaining truthfully here in this instance is dishonest? Can you provide an example here?
Is it Just me or does anybody else find Frank Turek evasive in his answering tactics??. In ancient Roman empire it was okay to offer human sacrifices. It would start with animal sacrifices, if the gods (Or God) aren't/isn't pleased, you sacrifice a virgin and the ultimate sacrifice was a son. How can the almighty God - This paragon of wisdom conform to this barbaric, hideous acts of human sacrifices and sacrifice his only begotten son???. If he so loved us why not simply forgive the poor humans for they know not what they are doing???.
You put humans on the same planet with your fiercest rival, (Lucifer), Who's been there since the beginning of time, tempted Adam and Eve. Tempted Jesus = God = Holy trinity. All the accumulated wisdom over the years...... That's like punishing a toddler for failing a test that is beyond him/her
Tom Foolish see the thing is Adam and Eve knew what they did. That’s why he required a perfect redemption. And the romans didn’t sacrifice animals, virgins or sons if the gods weren’t pleased. Where did you get that from?
Bible is corrupted
Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love-Isaac-and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
Genesis 22:2 NIV
What happened to Ishmael? Firstly, How can Isaac be the "only" son when Ishmael was older. Secondly, you can't even say that God denied Ishmael because your bible says that....
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
Genesis 17:20 NIV
You can even use the prior verse (i.e. Gen 17:19) because the Hebrew says maintain NOT establish.
Please preach responsibly and with honesty!
The Hebrew word used for “only” is yachiyd, which means “unique” or “only begotten” (special). So the Hebrew clarifies that Isaac is indeed the special, unique, only begotten son of Abraham. Isaac was the son of promise. So this answers the alleged contradiction.
Sometimes we miss the obvious answer as well. In the previous chapter (Genesis 21), Ishmael was sent away. So in chapter 22, Isaac was Abraham’s only son, for his other had gone away, presumably never to return under Abraham’s household. So this is another plausible solution to the alleged contradiction.
God bless
I like frank but in nobway did he explain the absurdity/evil of the story of Abraham and Isaac. Not good mr.turek. you failed on this one big time
How is the story of Abraham and Isaac evil?
Why celebrate the willingness to follow delusions as crazy as thinking that the creator of the universe wants child sacrifice? Turek claims that Abraham prefigures the sacrifice that Jesus made. How is that any better? Christianity glorifies the sacrifice of a man as if it were effective and moral. Ironically, like in the story of Abraham, Jesus wasn't really sacrificed if he's back in heaven a few days later. No harm done.
The creator does not want child sacrifice...it never happened, it was a test of faith...to find out the mettle of Abraham, but most Christians know this.
Jesus is the Son of God, but also part of the trinity of God, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit...the fact is he humbled himself to show us how, but more importantly the ultimate sacrifice of himself for us, for our sins and the fulfilment of old law where animals were sacrificed but now not needed...hence fulfilment.
Jesus was sacrificed, he bore the sins of mankind on himself, he cried blood at the cup he had to drink from, he was in every sense human in his suffering and went through a real physical death.
I don't know why you come here and troll your atheist belief...no Christian is ever going to take heed to your remark, it's like water off a ducks back...the only reason why i replied is because your delusion is so great...i felt sad for you.
Jason Mark Robertson If the creator doesn't want child sacrifice, then why did he sacrifice his own child? You own words defeat you.
Jesus is the likeness of God, in a sense God.
Its a hard one to understand and even when i recently gave my life to the Lord i struggled with this concept for a while, so i don't expect you to rush into the idea knowing what im saying.
Tiberius Vetus
I want to add here...one very important fact.
Jesus was a WILLING sacrifice, he WILLINGLY gave himself, i forgot to share this and i think it's extremely important.
Jason Mark Robertson It's human sacrifice!! Who cares if it's willing or not. It's absurd to think that an all loving god would choose to imitate countless dead religions in the horrific act of killing humans or animals to appease himself.
And god says to abraham,,,,hey I'm just kidding,,,thank you
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I love listening to your channel, Frank .Your theological answers and explanations usually make me think and consider your side of the argument . However, trying to square the Abraham / Isaac story makes me cringe. The story is barbaric - period. And I think you know this .......☹️
God isn't barbaric, and even if we die he is able to raise us back up. This life is temporary but the resurrection is eternal. Which is why dying for Gods sake is of little importance because eventually you inherit an immortal body without sin.
Jesus christ people this is a fairy tale.Can you not see this.
So you know 100% for a fact that it's not true?
schizophrenia if you hear voices in your head.
Frank: time to go and see a psychiatrist and get some goooooood medication!
I think you hear voices every single day in your head, if you are human, you do so. Every single person hear a voice in his/her head. Your problem without God is that you don't know which is the yours and which one is the devil
Do you really think the devil comes to you with a hard dark voice?...
I'm glad you are listening to what Frank has to say.
Ewwww the icky mosque!!! Destroy it already!!
Traumatic for Isaac. God ordered Abraham to commit child abuse. Not a loving god.
Terrible story all the way around - it can’t be squared or turned into a good story unless you’re demented ✌🏼
Skeptical Jed well when God is about to entrust a man in which the savior of the world will come from his seed, his lineage you best believe God would test his faith. He tested him how Abraham needed to be tested and it was for the redemption of humanity. Didn’t the angel stop him? Yes. This is a beautiful truth. There’s no twisting it. You can read it as it is. God can’t work through any man unless you have faith. You’re either with him or you’re not and he won’t force you to be with him. That’s love right there.
Henry Tilley ...I appreciate your response. I will think about it further. Peace ✌🏼
Skeptical Jed I actually thought the same thing as you and I get your skepticism. I had to reevaluate everything I thought I knew about the Bible and I found I was 99% wrong about everything and I’m a truth seeker. Peace to you ❤️
Fancy making your living talking rubbish.
What a fairy story Frank...like all the others...it’s all rubbish.