The best answer I’ve heard, rational and it takes the other theories and puts them in context. How he does this in so brief an answer is amazing.. I have immense respect for John Lenox and was pleased to hear you reference him.
I’m so glad this man can put my thoughts into an intelligible sequence and produce a intellectual argument. I’ve thought the same thing, that the only difference in science are the scientists, but I could never find a way to say it.
Most scientists don't tell the truth these days because if they go against the the establishment they lose their job. Macro or Darwinian evolution is IMPOSSIBLE AND SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO BE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S STILL BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHY? EVIL!
@@RabbitNose the TRUTH IS, there is NO MECHANISM IN CHEMISTRY OR BIOLOGY to ACCOUNT FOR DARWINIAN EVOLUTION. The ONLY scientific possible explanation is INTELLIGENT DESIGN. The universe is NOT OLD ENOUGH for MACO EVOLUTION to come about by RANDOM NATURAL SELECTION even IF THERE WAS A MECHANISM. The mathematical possibility of a simple protein forming by natural selection is impossible in 13.7 billion years. FACT.
AlexHector Why does the Bible mention Moses when we have Jesus ? Why does the Bible mention David When we have Jesus ? Why did Jesus pick 12 sinful men When we have Jesus ? Why did the 12 sinful men pick successors when we have Jesus ? Why does the Bible say “They remained faithful to the teaching of the apostles.” Acts 2:42 When we have Jesus? Why did people by the millions go listen to Billy Graham when they could stay home and read the words of Jesus ? The Pope was set up by Jesus Jesus said his church would last forever There has been a Pope for 2000yrs. Jesus told the apostles to go teach. Why when we have Jesus ? The Bible clearly says “Be obedient to those GOD has appointed over u.”
AlexHector 1. We have an unbroken line of popes from Jesus till today. No one else even comes close. As Jesus said “Since you’ve been with me from the beginning.” 2. Jesus talked about his Kingdom So yes the church is rich. 3. God told David in the Old Testament “I will build you a throne and it shall last FOREVER.” 3000yrs later the pope sits on a throne. Isaiah 22 says Then it shall be in that day, I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah; 21 I will clothe him with your robe And strengthen him with your belt; I will commit your responsibility into his hand. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem And to the house of Judah. 22 The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut; And he shall shut, and no one shall open. 23 I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place, And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house. Jesus told peter “I give u the keys of the Kingdom.” Mt 16
I can't stand when people ask the question "who created God?" They don't seem to understand that God is without beginning or end, He's not a created being, they clearly seem to lack the understanding of what God is
@@GCEXTREMEMN not necessarily so, knowledge by itself wouldn't make you on par with God, God could upload all of his knowledge into our brains if he wanted to, that still wouldn't equate us to him, but it might literally drive you crazy lol, if I recall a similar experience to Job
Yes, and He could have done it all in one second or less. It's better if we ask ourselves, what does the seven days of creation really means? What is its spiritual meaning? I mean, a lot of the OT are shadows of the real things and the NT clarify those shadows and show their real meaning.
@@Salvation-Damnation Why didn't god write a perfectly understandable document the the first time instead of needing to "clear up" (still unsuccessfully) things. Also why did god need to rest on the last day?
@@Salvation-Damnation 1. “Got the bill and Rita paid it/Took her home and nearly made it/Sitting on the sofa with a sister or two”. SPLHCB - The Beatles 2. Why does your imaginary god need to conceal anything?
@@ericbell940 Oh boy, He actually does reveal his mysteries, and He is doing it specially in these last times, but you gotta have the gift, or at least be a fervent seeker and faithful servant. We as christians know or should know the basics, but there's so much knowledge contained in the bible that the church ignores, and I've seen that only those with the gift of science know the depths of the bible. Ultimately it is the Spirit of God who reveals the mysteries. To one person He could reveal a certain matter and to other person He could reveal another different matter (no one knows it all). I don't think have the gift but I know a few (personally just two) that do have it. God is not gonna reveal His riches and His wisdom to an atheist, please LOL that sole idea is laughable. So keep believing that (for instance) when the bible mentions talking stars it is refering to literally stars and it is dumb and fantasious. I don't care, man. The only thing I will mention, is that one day we will all stand in front of the judgment seat of God, and the reedemed will go to everlasting life and the unredeemed to everlasting contempt. I understand why you don't believe, the god of this world, lucifer, has blinded your eyes and you cannot see, and you will NEVER see, unless you really humble yourself and cry unto God. But you love your sin more (and it's understandable, without the Spirit of God you cannot do anything about it) you don't like to be told what to do, you want to live life without any consequences, without being accountable to God. I'm just gonna say, you gotta repent, man. Find God, call Him while He is near before it is to late for you. I mean, eternity is at stake here, your soul is at stake here. Don't do it for me, or for anyone, at least do it for youself.
Open mindedness, but he is still wrong. Read what God did on the 3 days, and you understand. Frank Turek's problem is that he belive million of years is proved, and he try to implent it into the bible.
@@ericbell940 everything, then you understand that science have not proven million of years. And when everything point to a creator then... you have to be open minded.
@@Giraf1964 I don’t know what you mean by millions of years but science can go back billions of years. Everything was created but nothing points to a religious like god,,again religion and open mindedness are not comparable
@@ericbell940 Science uses different radiometric dating methods today to messure the age. In all of them they have to assume how the earth was in the beginning. Without knowing how the earth was in the beginning, they can also not start the halflife of the isotopes they will messure. So no, they have no idea how old the earth is without believing it is so. everyting points to is was created, and it was the God of the bible. The only on there is. So like you see, you cant just belive something just because some scientist say somehting. You have to be open minded. Look at the evidence yourself.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the all-knowing and all-powerful God of all creation. That same God who created everything loves you so much and wants to have a relationship with you. Hopefully this helped you today. God bless.
Personally, i enjoy differing perspectives on this issue. I should always allow myself to be challenged. I dont always have to agree & thats okay. Hostility is not necessary, ive learned. I dont have to feel threatened. Dr. Turek makes some intriguing points. I should never get too complacent in my faith. At the end of the day, i feel, the only thing i need to come to a concrete conclusion on, is whether i believe the tomb was empty!
The answer to "How old is the Earth" is "Around 6000 years", spoken directly by God to a modern man who was granted a vision and one question. You can argue it was a lying spirit contacting him, but we know the lying spirits serving Satan want us to believe Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The world reminds me of the game series called Civilization, I believe they are up to #6 now. In the starting menu you can select all the features of the world, including its age, then when you click Start Game it generates the world. Time begins at 4000 BC. When you advance to the end of the game you can train archaeologists who might dig things up and think they are 100s of millions of years old, and might conclude their world is 4.5 billion years old, because that's what you set it at when you made the game. But being outside the game you are aware of the fact that their world actually began in 4000 BC. So, if you dropped a note into their world telling them this, would they have faith and believe you, or believe in the rocks they examine?
@@IIrandhandleII 3D physical laws do not affect beings in the 4th dimension or higher, so your response doesn't apply to the creation of Earth by a higher being. And you cannot rely on "scientists" for truth, they are only humans. Just do some searches for things "scientists" used to believe 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and 500 years ago.
@@Kariegoz It's almost a moot point. But, just for the sake of argument, I have to throw out there, that it is well documented that there were human civilizations long before 4000 BC, and it is provable beyond any serious doubt. Not to mention life forms that were in existence prior to the appearance of man. Even Adam and Eve are known to have been alive long before that. Think about it.
When discussing Young Earth Creationist (YEC) or Old Earth Creationist (OEC), or whether the account in Genesis and the days are actual or metaphorical, it’s important to realize that in these discussions, the unit of measure is “Time”. So then the question should be: when was time created? I think we miss the point that while God was creating the universe and the Earth, He was also creating time. As He went through each day, He was establishing time: 7 days in a week - not 6 or 10 - but 7 days in a week, day and night with 24 hours in each day (John 11:9), etc. He was doing all this to get the Earth ready, with all of its environments (plants, animals etc.) and order (laws of time, physics, science, etc.), for the eventual habitation of humans. I know this may sound obvious, but before God created time, there was no time, and so there’s nothing to measure. It wasn’t until He created the Earth, 7 days/week, 24 hours/day, then the clock can start ticking and we can look for accounts to measure the age of the Earth. Additionally, throughout the Bible, God makes it clear that He is more powerful than nature/His creation, and if He wants to create the Earth in 7 days, He can do that: in addition to Genesis, you look at examples like the parting of the red Sea in Exodus, Numbers 26:10 when the Earth opened up and swallowed Korah; when the Israelites crossed the Jordan river in Joshua 3-4, Job 41-42 when God lists all the things He has done and His limitless power and resources; Mark 4:35-41 when Jesus calms the storm and the disciples wonder “who is this? Even the wind and waves obey Him!” (i.e. who is this person than can control and overcome nature/creation?) Based on this, I believe there’s overwhelming evidence and support for YEC (of course, that's assuming you believe in God and the Bible). Really appreciate everything you do - learned a lot from you. Thank you and God bless you!
An example of Bible-related ignorance. The seven day week was not established in any culture before about 2500 BC. It's nothing to do with the creation myth in Genesis, which was written around 500 BC.
@@urasam2 So… according to you, (1) I’m ignorant (2) the concept of a 7 day creation week along with the account in Genesis is a myth (3) there’s no account of 7-day weeks prior to 2500BC, so that means it didn’t exist? or people weren’t aware of it?...seriously?? and (4) the Bible was written in 500BC. May I suggest that you expand your resources beyond the bubble of internet bias (and often wrong) content that you are regurgitating. Also, it appears you have latched on to the Graf-Wellhausen Hypothesis - even its Bible range is from 500 to 1000 BC, so why did you selectively choose the earliest one? Not to mention that this Hypothesis is full of contradiction and is no longer widely accepted. BTW Biblically, the writing of the Bible is estimated to have started around 1500BC, even secular archeological estimates are 1300BC, not sure why you’re pursuing the 500BC theory - it raises more questions than answers?? You obviously don’t believe in God, so you’ll have to cross that bridge first before you talk about the validity of the Bible and the account in Genesis. When you consider life itself, or the fact that we have 2 sexes, males and females (not just 1 or 3 or more) - how can you explain this outside of a creator God and the logical and systematic creation account in Genesis? (the Big-Bang chaotic explosion, and-let-the-pieces-fall-where-they-may, theory makes more sense to you? Really?) You can claim that somehow life was produced on earth out of nothing, no designer or God, over billions and billions of years; and somehow, this theory or life producing mechanism, was smart enough to produce yet another life-producing mechanism in the form of males and females, to sustain life - not just in humans, but in species everywhere: on land, in the ocean, in the air, regardless of geographical or environmental conditions. That’s amazing how all this happened by chance…..or does it in fact prove that there is intelligence in the universe? Even when you consider any living system - all inputs of life have to be present otherwise, it cannot exist, so how could this happen over a long period of time, rather, it had to be a short period of time. Deut. 30:19 “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you, life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.” Basically, as long as you have walked on this earth or looked up to sky, you have no excuse not to believe in God. He won’t use the Bible against you, rather, He will use the obvious evidence that’s right before your eyes!
@@sjarjoura9188 1)I called it ignorance because the views you expressed are clearly ignorant of the facts, I am not calling you ignorant per se. 2)Yes, the 7 day creation story is a myth, it's obviously a myth, and is accepted as a myth by the vast majority of the Jews whose Holy book it is anyway. 3) There is no objective reason why we have a seven day week, it's arbitrary. The Celts, Etruscans and Romans had an 8 day week, the Chinese, Egyptians and even the French have had 10 day weeks, and other cultures have had weeks of between 4 and 10 days. 4) I was not giving the date of 500 BC for the composition of the entire Bible. I was referring to Genesis in its current form. Scholars agree that it was put together during the Babylonian exile, and though you reject the Documentary Hypothesis, there is no disagreement among scholars (who know what they are talking about) that the Torah is composed from a variety of different sources, principally J, D and P. The rest of your comment is a classic example of "The God of the Gaps" argument. You can't understand how the universe came to be in its present form and you can't understand abiogenesis or evolution, therefore you claim "well then, God must have done it". You display an ignorance of Big Bang Theory, and an ignorance of evolution via random mutation and natural selection over time. Notice I didn't say "you are ignorant".
@@urasam2 I appreciate the clarification, but "God of the gaps":) You mean the gaps that Big Bang, evolution and all these other theories have created:) and if the " 7 day week is arbitrary', is that what time and our dating methods are based on - an arbitrary system? Really? You do realize that all these theories are based on a pile of assumptions, and then the science is mangled to make it fit - not to mention ignoring logic, math/probability, etc. all for the sake of not even wanting to consider an intelligent creator - talk about ignoring scientific objectivity. They started off with removing God as an option, and tried to come up with a theory to explain life. It's amazing how statements like "...The vast majority..." and "...scholars agree..." keep getting tossed around as evidence, when they only represent the opinion of a few people - which they are entitled to, but it doesn’t make it factual. It's not about my ignorance of these theories, but rather the baseless, unscientific and misleading information of these theories - which they eventually end up contradicting themselves. Abiogenesis (the rebranding of the debunked 'spontaneous generation' theory, which has been experimentally proven to be false - even the probability of forming the simplest life form based on this theory is 1 in 10 to the 90,000 power); ... Big Bang (improved instrumentation and observational methods keep highlighting inconsistences in this theory, to which the mysterious 'dark matter' has been introduced to try and save it, without any evidence);... Evolution (from nothing/no life/no information, came something/information/life - this is what you base your beliefs on?);... then followed and contradicted by random mutation (random, yet not too random to stop the bias of evolution theory or natural selection right?), natural selection (no issues with selecting living forms that can survive, but you do realize that this theory contradicts evolution and random mutation, since you have to ‘select’ from a pre-existing selection, and therefore nothing new is created). You are entitled to believe in these theories (and they are just theories), but do you not see how deficient they are? The main driving theme is that life and everything just came together by itself (through wild assumptions) with no design and no intelligent input, then throw in the billions of years to cover the gaps and details in these assumptions, and go around calling that evidence. It's like looking at a wooden piece of furniture and saying it came together by itself, then dating the wood to find out that it came from a 100 year-old tree, and concluding that the furniture is a 100 years old.....meanwhile it was made last week by a carpenter. What I'm suggesting to you is that you revisit the information and your beliefs, but this time keep God on the table as an option and see how it stacks up.
Don't listen to +Berzerker Juice. There is no age given in the Bible actually. It is mostly accepted by other Christians that its billions of years old. All the Bible says is "In the beginning." It could be as old as Larry King and Betty White combined.
Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements-surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? “Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb, when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors, and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed’? “Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place, that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? It is changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand out like a garment. From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken. “Have you entered into the springs of the sea, or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of hell been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deepest darkness? Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? anwser me if you know all this. “Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness, that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? Surely you know, for you were born then,.
Nais...you have a problem ..not with Bro. Job...but the fact that GOD said.. Job is perfect and upright.. baffles/disturbs/offends you and makes you mad at GOD ....much like Cain and Abel...one brother killed the other because of GODS evaluation/ appreciation... As far as the Narrative goes .Beloved you can stay mad ..Your bad conduct and nasty commentary bad odour spewed from your heart through you mouth changes nothing but exposes s deficit / weakness and wickedness (conceit) and misplaced anger ...look in your mirror.. Share this Epistle with others.. GOD Bless You
That one passage truly shows you just how much more knowledgeable, wise, and poetic the Lord is compared to us. For simply he knows all for he made all. The beginning, middle, and end. The question isn't wether how it was all made or why it was, but where do we want to be at the end?...
This is not a fringe topic. The universe is known to be 14 billion years old... whybut anyone would ask this question to a pastor with no scientific training or background is beyond me.
@@willywonka077 Nature tells us in many ways. Your comment even clearly shows that there has not been much intellectual progress in the process. For some humans at least. And why would a bronze age book be true?
@Albert Stegeman Why would it be wrong? Have you read it? If you have, did you ever read anything remotely like it? Dead sea scrolls dated back to at least 150 BC contain prophesies about Jesus (more then 100) that he fulfilled. ALL of them. The book of Daniel contains prophesies about the history of the world after Daniel (of cause) that was 100% accurate. The truth of the Holy Bible is undeniable. If it wasn't undeniable I would not believe in it because I come from a science loving past of unbelieving atheism. So why did I start reading about religions and believes? Because I died and when I was dead, I was still alive only outside my body. If you want to know the truth, you will investigate and find it (seek and you shall find) if you don't want to know the truth, you will probably not even read this comment. GB
I have always sided w more of a young earth school of thought, but in the end it doesn't matter. Jesus will say on Judgement Day one of two things to each of us. Depart from me I never knew you, or welcome good and faithful servant. If you don't love God the Father first, your neighbor as yourself and entreat your enemy in his time of need, who cares how old the earth / universe is? Some atheist can never disprove God to me because I KNOW what Jesus did for me when I became born again. I've walked with Him for 32 years, not going back now. 🙂
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Old as in what? Adam was created on Day 6 and lived to 930 years old. Therefore, you can't have millions of years. Furthermore, Adam was a perfect being when he named the animals. So, it is not outside the realm of possibility that he named them all quickly. Lights being used to separate day and night is not the same as it all happening on the fourth day. If we allow for the days of creation to be anything other than 24 hour periods, we open the door to things like macro evolution, millions of years, and death before sin; which destroys the Gospel, the testimony of Jesus, and the work week we use. If God wanted to say the Earth was old, the Biblical timeline would support it. I don't see that it does. My $0.02.
I want you to clap. That’s how fast your life is. Now clap 10 times. Do you realize how far back you went? Your parents lives are a clap, your life is a clap. Time is very fast.
@Kody Crittenden If you think Frank is a good source of knowledge....youve been deceived by that disgusting charlatan. If you do not have physical evidence.. Admittedly so...then why believe it?
I love the perspicuity of Scripture. Verse 1, 2 and 3 are on the first day. Verse two is there to describe the conditions in verse 1. With the understanding of the earth being without form and void sets the appreciation for everything created.
I really appreciate his honesty, that it’s ok to believe in the Bible and an old universe, they’re not incompatible. Teachers in Sunday school sometimes keep trying to push this young earth belief, being created in only 6 literal days. I simply disagree
I think that belief leads children to atheism later on as they struggle to believe. They should be taught old earth and that the more important thing is Jesus
No they are not compatible. You've been DUPED. No evidence for long earth and the Bible nowhere says anything about a long earth. That is read into the scriptures. I know the whole issue, all the verses. This video repeats the same nonsense. A literal 24 hour day in the Bible is not ambiguous. It does not become other forms of days. They are separate meanings. If a day could be a week or a1000 years (not literal periods of time) it is not meant for us to come up with millions/billions of years. Its not there. If a day is a 1000 yeas, then Jesus would still be in the tomb. I would be rid of a Sunday school teacher that taught anything other than the 6 day the Bible teaches. No evidence for long earth and denies clear evidence of the flood. Evolutionists are laughing their heads off. They have always attacked Genesis because it is the foundation of the Bible. If they can cast doubt on it, they can turn many from the rest of the Bible. 2nd best accomplishment for Atheists is Christians that have fallen for long creation heresy by deceived Christians, like Hugh Ross and company. Gen 1 days: "and it was so" is the same as "and there was light", which everyone understands was instantaneous. Atheistic Evolution is not logical by scientific standards. It is a hypothesis, not even graduated to theory, yet is taught as fact. How can Christians borrow from Atheists to form their beliefs? Stand up for the word of God as written or you will fall for nonsense like this. Evolutionists' will say, Gravity is a theory, but if you jump out a window your going to die. Yeah, because its a LAW, not a theory. They come up with many such lies. Every bit of Theistic Evolution is all just well presented ERROR. " So, little Johnny & Sally, God created the earth in 6 24 hour days and rested on the 7th day, because the Bible says so and incidentally, so-called "scientists" are lying to you about evolution"
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.
@Nick Jones imagination!! You can imagine all you want ,,why don't you research it? At its current rate of shrinkage it would have been touching the Earth 22 million years ago.. 4000 years ago ,,scientist can understand why the Earth wasn't fried. The Bible has all the scientific answers of Truth.. but that is not taught in any schools or colleges.. too bad. Albert Einstein is a believer in Genesis.
There were theories about the sun "burning up", before nuclear fusion was understood, which were used to support YEC timescales. These were wrong because they made assumptions (one of Dr Turek's favourite words) that were wrong. One of the factors that led to my being converted from a YEC was the thorough dishonesty of the YECs whereby they cling to an out-of-date theory simply because it suits their arguments, even though it is easily demonstrated to be false. A million years ago the sun wouldn't have been much different to what it is today. At the current, measured rates of Hydrogen to Helium fusion it won't start to swell up into a Red Giant star for another few thousand million years yet.
LOL how many time times has science changed that number? It will change again in the future. Stop making current scientific theory a religion. God creates old things. Just like Adam, who was created as a fully grown man. Any modern doctor examining Adam would have said he was at least 20 years old, literally on his first day in existence.
Why is the word "day" disputed only in the first chapters of Genesis and not in the other 2,000+ times it is used in the rest of the bible? Remember that the first thing that Satan said to Eve was, "Did God really say ...?" Putting doubt as to the truthfulness of God's word is the first step in causing people to disbelieve.
Well God said they would surely die and they didn't Jesus said he would tear down the temple and build it up in 3 days and that didn't happen Jesus was a bit of a smart alec and God is too A lot of stuff is figurative and it's for the best
Have you seen Adam and Eve around lately? Jesus did not say He would tear down the temple...He said: Destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days. He was the temple. Open a bible, Eric, and learn the truth. May the Lord bless you with wisdom.
In this very video, Turek describes a usage of the term "day" in another context that does not refer to a 24 hour period. It's not debated in most (all?) other passages because the context makes the intended meaning virtually indisputable, and in many of those passages, it does not refer to a single rotation of the Earth. That is not entirely the case in Genesis 1.
Agreed! Kent Hovind has, EDIT: *provided a strong foundation of information that has helped me better understand Genesis.* I really like Turek. Sucks he says "the 3rd day seems to require longer because you have the growth of vegetation and fruit bearing plants". My thought is, God Create man mature(They were not infants) so why wouldn't He had done the same thing with everything else.... and the plants need the sun to grow, which was not created till the 4th day....
@@momentsliketheseofficial "Kent Hovind has provided a strong foundation to my Genesis understanding. " Is that like another person's strong foundation for understanding the story of Prometheus or Perseus? Or Star Trek?
It's so easy to criticize someone's knowledge, or undermine their intelligence. Luckily, it doesn't make it any less foolish. Hovind is a smart guy, no doubt about it. To say that he doesn't know science or have a strong understanding of the Bible is absurd.
Servant of God filled with His wisdom...Thanks for obeying Jesus...Your love for Jesus is true and let more and more children...God creations be saved through Christ alone...For He is coming... amen
If you notice during the question he goes back to his computer at 0:56 , most likely he's been asked this question hundreds of times so he has prepared slides to support his answering of the question. Now I don't think his answer is amazing but I don't think he's doing anything sneaky either.
Exodus 20:11 (KJV) 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. If Heaven and Earth were not made in six literal days then we would have an awful long work week.
Notice how God doesn't close off the seventh day like the rest of the days, he never says "and the evening and the morning were the seventh day" could it be that we're still living in the seventh day?
It’s entirely possible, which means that the six days could have been simplified so that it made sense. The Bible even says that one day is like a thousand years, which means that some of the days mentioned could be symbolic or simplified to make it easier to read/understand.
@@thatonechristian2487 I don't think so because God blessed the seventh day and it became the Sabbath day and the Israelites had this one particular day where they had to rest and do no work. If the seventh day was longer than a 24 hour day, then what God said about keeping the Sabbath day holy wouldn't make sense and everyday would have to be a Sabbath day.
If it's a problem for some about how Adam was able to name all the animals in a day, what about making the entire finely tuned universe from nothing?! Adam was different man from today's corrupted man. He was supernatural in many ways.
@@PD-yd3fr What do you do with morning and evening or the week in Exodus? The writer of Genesis in my opinion went out of his way to make it a 24 hour day.
Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old, plus or minus about 50 million years. Scientists have scoured the Earth searching for the oldest rocks to radiometrically date. In northwestern Canada, they discovered rocks about 4.03 billion years old.
Last I checked the context of the Bible made it very clear that "In the beginning..." really means in the very beginning, which would indeed have been the FIRST day (I mean, come on, it's not like it would be without a beginning; how far-fetched is it not to attempt to find some hidden amount of time in-between Genesis 1 and 2, just to please a movement of evolutionists as opposed to reasoning with them in a consistent Biblical manner), and that Genesis 1 makes it very clear by first defining what a day is (the light portion of a day and a night) and then going on to list six actual days with "evening, morning, number, and calling it a day". Attempting to stretch this out into some supposedly "deep periods of time" doesn't make sense and only creates more issues and raises more questions. God created in six days and rested on the seventh, and this has already happened, and is thus also a model for our weekly lives. The seventh day isn't "still going on", it's already happened long ago. Furthermore, the genealogies of Genesis makes it very clear that there were only about 2,000 years before Abraham, and then we commonly understand there to have been about 2,000 years from Abraham to Christ, and about 2,000 years from Christ to today, making up a planet and universe of about 6,000 years in age. Period. I would state the contexts and the numbers are already clear enough. The problem comes in attempting to explain the results of the two most considerable events in history, namely the Creation and the Flood, by mere naturalistic terms and ends up distorting actual history and creating a false history of the world. What is ironic though is how many Christians (in making the mistake to place their faith more in the words of men rather than the Word of God in order to bring more people to the faith - however succesful that would actually turn out is questionable) indeed attempt to make the Bible fit with mankind's unreliable understanding and the heavily speculative concept of deep time and millions and billions of years of Earth history. More often than not, these people have essentially been taught (either by society or themselves or some mix of both) to question the Word of God and abuse their own God-given mind in favor of pleasing the minds of mere sinful men, being in rebellion against their Creator, forging their own rules. How discouraging and frustrating it is also to see men of God who attempt to support the Bible at the same time as attempting to support deep time and ending up leaving an atmosphere of confusion, as well as a sense of deception, while they could instead have remained Biblically consistent and scientifically honest. I saw the problem very well while still being an evolutionist, and I certainly see it much more clearer now as a creationist, and it boggles my mind why anybody would continue promoting this nonsense.
Its a silly debate all the way around. God can create aged, matured things. Adam is a perfect example. Scripture even specifically says in multiple places the heavens were created "of old".
My goodness. What gets me is how some people appear to be bright, intelligent folks; yet, they can't grasp simple concepts, if those concepts go against their previously formed ideas. The World is not only 6000 years old. Get over it. However, that in no way obfuscates or contradicts the OT. Think about it. And use some common sense, please. Our Universe is immense beyond the capacity of the human mind to comprehend. Why, why I ask you, would God place men only on this tiny orb, after fashioning the inconceivably large Universe of trillions of stars and other worlds? It is pretentious arrogance to think that we are so important as to be the only intelligent life God has ever created. Get over yourselves, and the overweening, self-important mentality of thinking we are all that. God loves us, but to limit and to confine Him to a box is just ludicrous. Peace
@Sunnypsyop Yes, just for starters. But even those cultures are exceeded in precedence by even older ones. Apparently those who read the OT view its writings in the context of present day relevance, and not as to when they were written. For one thing, the seven day week is not necessarily a concept derived from the OT. Just because we have the writings of the OT, doesn't mean that there did not exist many years of human existence prior to the Hebrews. For one thing, the written text had barely been initiated at that time. Other ancient cultures had produced glyphs in stone well before the OT. Even Adam and Eve predate the OT by thousands of years. Holding to the concept of a young Earth is simply not plausible in view of all of the data and evidence to the contrary. For anyone to be so narrow in their views is the indication of a small, prejudiced mind, and one who is easily influenced. Nor does the belief in the scientific viewpoint negate the truth or validity of Religious texts.
What a great take! This man is clearly quite honest and thinks for himself. I thought I would add this interesting take, though: When God created Adam, how old was he? He was less than one year old, right? But I imagine most of us picture God creating Adam as what appears to be a 20-30-year-old man fully matured. What keeps Christians from imagining the same thing for the universe? Perhaps the universe was created to appear 13+ billion years old but was truly created ~6-10,000 years ago.
The creation account in Genesis 1 is not about the material origin of the cosmos. It's about God bringing order and function to a chaotic cosmos. It's only now in modern Western thought that we assume that the acount is about material/physical origins. The Bible including The ancient Israelites didn't care about where the material universe came from. It's purpose was to show that or God is a God of function and love, not chaos like the other middle Eastern cosmologies. A great book to help with this is "the lost world of Genesis 1" by John Walton.
HG6433 By your logic, that would mean that this ‘God’ is not the creator of the universe (which makes sense because it’s clear from text that before anything was was some sort of infinite, primordial sea Gen. 1:1-3). Therefore, if ‘God’ merely found the cosmos, then he isn’t much of a *all-powerful* deity. 🧐
The day argument is just not sensible. We know how long Adam lived. So we know how long it took him to name the animals. We’re not making assumptions. We also know with God’s other miracles they were immediate. See you don’t need time or miracle grow, you just need him to perform a miracle for them to grow. Disappointed in this answer
God said "I AM THAT I AM" to indicate his eternal presence in Exodus 3:14 To say that: He used the Hebrew word hâyâh (H1961 in the Stong's Concordance) twice. Exact same word used in Genesis 1:2 to describe the state of the Earth After the "in the beginning" Before the "first day"
I’ll disagree on the length of days. In Hebrew, when a day is numbered or mentioned in reference to a morning and evening, it is a 24 hour day. All seven days are referred to with numbers, and morning and evenings. It had to have been 24-hour days according to the rules of the Hebrew language.
@@PixelAine1 are you even sure of what you're saying? Give me the Hebrew word for "day" that have NO OTHER MEANING but "24h", then I can be sure it was a 24h day.
@@loisirsentertainment5919 it is not the sun or the moon that makes it a day but the amount of time that pass, with or without the sun time will still be present, the Lord would still know when a day have been completed without them, he would then created the sun to fit into the day cycle.
@@endofdays7708 You can't even give a Bible verse to support your claim that God would make the sun fit a so-called cycle He already knew to be a 24h day. That's just your own interpretation. Nobody knows how long the night and a day were before God made the sun... Even in our modern times, days actually do not have the same length. If for example you read the account of the Creation in other extra biblical books like the "Book of Jubilee" (and I am not trying to say that these books have the same divine authority as the Bible), it actually explains that when God told Adam: "the day you eat this fruit, you'll die", it meant Adam would die in the same millenium (period of 1000 years) he would eat that fruit, and that is a reason why Adam died before the age of 1000 years, just like every other man that lived on the face of the earth (having inherited the sinful nature from Adam). Also, the Bible says, that a day in God's eyes is like 1000 years. So nobody knows exactly how long the days of creation where. It would be really pretentious to define a "day" the way we want it just to fit our own Bible interpretation.
@@loisirsentertainment5919 ok let us reason this out, you said: "So nobody knows exactly how long the days of creation where. It would be really pretentious to define a "day" the way we want it just to fit our own Bible interpretation." Genesis 2:1-3 KJV Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. here it said God completed his work on the seventh day, he did a few things to that day that he doesn't do to the others, he rested on this day, he bless it, he sanctified it. now this is just one day out of the seven days, this day have the same length as the others, so lets see if mankind can tell how long this day is, is it the same 24 hour that we are now using. Exodus 20:8-11 KJV Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Now here the children of Israel are given the sabbath day as the forth commandment. Now compare Exodus 20:8-11 with Genesis 2:1-3 and you will see that this is the very same seventh day week cycle that God rested on. Genesis 2:2-3 Exodus 20:10-11 He rested He rested He bless He Bless He sanctified (means Holy) He Hallowed the people were required to work for six days and rest on the seventh, this sabbath (unlike other ceremonial sabbath) is the sabbath of God himself, he was the one who sanctified this day as the last day of the week. the day lasted 24 hours for the people, why would it last any longer for God? he was the one who told them how to keep it. remember when manna fall from heaven, on the seventh day none fell, this lasted for 24 hours, but after wards it fell again on the first day up until the six (read the story in Exodus 16). in conclusion, the same day of the week God rested, is the same day of the week he told the people to rest also, if it was more or less than 24 hours God would have guided the people in this manner, after all there are people who was punish when they did not obey to keep the sabbath.
The bible says , "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth ". God is telling what he did and then he tells you how he did it. The entire book of Genesis is written in this format. Everyone in the past knew that this was a literal 6 day creation and it wasn't until modern science came along that some are questioning it. The bible only has one meaning and it's blasphemous against God to think otherwise! God is literally telling you how powerful he is in Genesis chapter 1 and its heresy to try and blend it with evolution!
So often we want God to be a Magician where he says "Abra Cadabra" and everything comes out of thin air. But in reality God is an Architect and Construction Worker that makes things at the right time.
eric bell yes he did, but he took time and pride in creating the universe, yes, God is all powerful and all knowing, but he is also articulate and all thoughtful. And don’t hurl insults as the basis of your argument, this happens with every atheist I encounter. They do the cliche “Imaginary God” or “Sky Daddy” (even though God don’t in the sky lmao)
Here’s the thing, if we’re the seventh day, the Israelites never had to keep the sabbath. God told them to honor the sabbath and rest since he did. If we’re still in the seventh day, so were they, which means the would have been forbidden from ever working. They did keep the seventh day holy, so there was a seventh day sabbath. So, the seventh day has past. Just to clarify, I’m not a seventh day Adventist, just pointing out how Turke’s thoughts seem odd to me.
The idea of cosmic inflation is required to evade the conclusion that the universe is young, but cosmic inflation also makes it plausible that the universe is young. Cosmic inflation is the idea that the universe rapidly expanded in the first ten quintillionth fraction of a second of its existence. It helps "resolve" problems like the horizon and flatness problems, but if the universe expanded longer than ten quintillionth of a second, then the universe is nowhere near as old as people think it is. In fact, if the universe is assumed to have expanded at a different rate in the past than it's assumed to expand today, which is what cosmic inflation implies, then the old age assigned to the universe can't even be assumed to be an accurate estimation.
I've read some bits and pieces about some related ideas. The interesting ideas revolve around the fact that at the beginning of the Universe, all matter was packing into an extremely small area. Gravity would have been influencing this condensed matter and as a consequence, also effect the way time moved forward... Einstein predicts this through his work.
@@michaelwill7811 you seem to be speaking about the idea of initial singularity. Not only would the movement of time have been affected, but it wouldn't have moved at all. I think it was Einstein who pointed out that time moves slower if you stand near a large mass of matter, which leads to the idea that time doesn't move at all if all matter were infinitely condensed into a singularity. But if time didn't move at some point in the past, then nothing should've happened in the past. So, if we entertain the idea of an initial singularity and a following big bang, then we should ask why the event that led to the big bang happened at some point in the past if, instead, nothing should have happened for forever?
@@ourbulwarkisjesuschrist9435 If there wasn't a force causing matter to move outward from the singularity, yes indeed, things might have been forever fixed at that point. Since the universe is the way it is, one possible explanation is that the correct amount of force was applied to cause the outward expansion we see today. As a Christian, I know who "pulled that trigger". I am sure Naturalists have another "possible" explanation ;)
@@michaelwill7811 naturalists will forever adhere to self-defeating core values because it also makes no sense to assume that an outward pushing force originated at some point in the past while assuming that previously there wasn't such a force.
@@ourbulwarkisjesuschrist9435 To admit that there is a creator, is to tacitly admit that humans are responsible for what they have done with their lives. However, wishing away God isn't going to "get the job done", so to speak. And it is terribly sad to see people go their own way, but, it is *their* choice.
I've heard it said that the word "yom" is used for "day" in the Creation account, mainly because its the only Biblical word that can mean a literal 24-hour day. If the writers had intended to describe other spans of time, they would have used other words that mean various forms of "day".
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.
Of course. The fall pertained to mankind, not animals. Rom 5:12 says death came to all men. Check out Reasons to Believe. They have a great model of creation that matches the Bible and what we see in nature.
@@naturalLin Animal death in general is not bad. Psalm 104:19-28 tells us that God provides prey for the lions, and when God opens up his hand the lions are satisfied with "good". Same in Job 38:40 where it is God who provides food for carnivores. Herbivores and carnivores depend on each other. And again, the Bible says death came to all people because of the fall, not to all living creatures.
One of the challenges I haven't heard answer is, if God did use billions of years and evolution to create everything, then at what point to "man" become a moral being, and how/why were there just two of them in the Garden of Eden? Wouldn't there have been 10s of thousands of other demi-humans, Neanderthals, etc roaming around? . Did God just decide then, about 10,000 years or so ago, "Two of these creatures have evolved enough to have achieved a degree of moral culpability, so now I am going to put them in this perfect Garden, halt all deaths of these newly designated 'human beings', give them speech and incredibly creative minds so they can talk to me, make clothing out of leaves (yes, this came later, but the skill/knowledge was there pre-fall into sin) and create a taxonomy of all animals, and then show them this tree and tell them not to touch it?" . Futher, as the Bible says, "Death reigned since the time of Adam". If nothing on Earth died in the first 5-7 million years that science says humans have been around I would think the Earth would have been overpopulated with pre-humans. And as Jesus says, "But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female." Mark 10:6 speaking specifically of humans, and again Moses under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit writes in Exodus, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." . "From the beginning"...God made them (humans)...., "from the beginning" is when God also created the heavens and the earth. It would seem very odd to say people were around "from the beginning" if they had only just showed up in the most recent 10,000 years or so in a 13 Billion year old universe. Then adding in the issue of death starting with Adam and Eve, the massive mental leap it would take to go from a pre-human intelligence to a being in the homo sapiens species, and God selecting two pre-humans to become 'real' humans, and then introducing moral culpability into the world after 13 Billion years of nothing like that existing. There is nothing in Scripture to support this interpretation. . I'm no linguistics expert, but the evolutionary "old earth" theory seems much harder to explain vs. the simpler truth that God, being all powerful and fully complete himself, made the universe and mankind in their present state of completeness. An all-powerful God can make a human being that for all intents and purposes appears to be 30 years old, but who in fact is only 1 second old. Why make the universe just to have it sit around for billions of years doing nothing but slowly evolving? I'm not saying that isn't how it happened, but there sure isn't much in Scripture that would lead us to believe that is the case, and in the absence of other evidence or reason to be skeptical about the meaning of the words, I'm staying with the literal interpretation.
Matthew 12:36, brother... also, research trans biotic organisms. Many organisms wouldn't have survived without the codependent organisms being created the following days. I recommend the book: In 6 Days.
What? That makes no sense what so ever! So if the days consisted of a light and a dark period and the laws of physics haven't changed, how can it be anything but 24 hours? You do know that it's laws of physics that dictates the day and night to be 24 hours at the current distance to the sun with the current revolution speed. And since you recognise they haven't changed, how...? The logical fallacy in strong in this dude.
If we are going by the bible But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The earth is of old perpetual. .God was renewing the earth,not creating it. U can read of when He destroyed the first earth age in Jerimiah 4:24-28...verse 23 is the same as gen.1:2 and in the Hebrew it says the earth BECAME void and without form..God destroyed that age because of satans rebellion.. Same earth as now just a different age
I personally believe the earth is young. Even if it isn’t 6,000 and some Christians disagree with me, the flood still occurs so it wouldn’t be as old as atheists claim due to all that was affected
William Dembski answered this in the slightly technical book 'The end of Christianity'. Basically God is not constrained by time as 4 dimensional things are, therefore the sin of man can elicit a response that occurs before the man undertook the action. So God's introduction of death to the universe was as a result of, and preceding, man's rebellion.
So there was death and sickness (the wages of sin) before the fall (sin itself)? Also: Isaiah 45:18 ... "the LORD, who created the heavens- He is God; He formed the earth and fashioned it; He established it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited." Except for the first 4.6 billion years? (ie: 99% of its existence)?
In the beginning I baked a cake. The cake was without form and void and darkness was up on the face of the cake pan. My spirit soul and body hovered over a bowl with dry cake batter. I said to my daughter let me have an egg and some butter. I stirred until I had wet cake batter. I separated the cake batter from the bowl and placed it in the pan. I placed the pan in the oven and cooked it at 350 degrees for 50 minutes. I called it a cake. So the hour and a half was the first cake. Here, read it without any forced literary gaps. And you won’t see a time gap. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. It looks like one day to me. I believe Iit’s ignorant to read it any other way. You have to add to the words a lot of assumptions to make it longer than a day. You have to have secret scientific knowledge to make it say it was longer than a day. Sounds cultic to me.
Well, a better statement would be, "If the laws of physics we have are *accurate at that scale* and have not changed..." The question of whether they're accurate at that scale is by no means settled. Huge jumps in scale (both to smaller and larger) were the means by which inaccuracies in Newtonian physics were found, after all.
God has the power speak everything into existence! Dr. Turek has mentioned that before. We know through the Bible record that the only moment God took time to create was when He created Adam
The Bible say God created the universe in 6 days in the 7th day He rested. Adam was created on the 6th day, counting the genealogy from adam to Jesus up to the present time is less than 10,000 years. The concept of time is determined by God. Man determined time based on Christ coming BC and AD. In the year of our Lord.
Are you assuming that God rests in the same way we do, when someone says I rest my case, they stop talking, acting and taking action. God acted and created then he rested. Stoped. Seized.... i rest my case.
@@ralphsuny9382 I guess god used the wrong word..could have used the words you did but didn't. The word rested is used because the slaves were given a day of rest..the sabbath is a day of rest. That was the whole point to the writing and is clearly what humans do....not gods.
8bits Creeper 7 days were long epochs of time. So a Christian should well know that each day was not a literal 24 hour day. It’s young earth creationist who interpret the 7 days as literal. The earth and universe history go as far back as millions and billions of years old, whereas human history only goes back around thousands of years and not millions. If you trust the Bible account and the creation of our first parents Adam and Eve, After their fall one wouldn’t suppose that God has allowed millions of years after them for humans to become sophisticated enough to created weapons of mass destruction that would be capable of destroying all life on earth. Battles and wars are marked throughout history but has never gotten as destructive as modern warfare. God has allowed humans to rule themselves for a short time and soon after will intervene in human affairs.
Assumption are laid down as they are, no proof needed, only the understanding that all science based on those assumptions is conditional on the validity of what is being assumed
Would I be wrong if I say that modern physics is based on the assumption that physical laws are and always have been constant everywhere in the Universe?
@@JR-nh7fc the null hypothesis would state that time wouldnt change the physical laws of the universe. One would need to demonstrate that isnt the case in order to not violate the burden of proof.
God could have created EVERYTHING in an instant. He did not need 7 days. He certainly didn't need billions of years! He didn't use evolution to create the animals. He specifically TOLD us in his word how He did it! He created the earth in 7 days to give us our work week. A shorter period of time than the month. There is no reason, cosmologically, for a 7 day week.
rdrift1879 I mean is it historical narrative, apocalyptic literature, poetry, fantasy etc.? I have never heard of the "straightforward narrative" literary style.
rdrift1879 That verse refers to the Creation Story so here's some info on that. First, we need to establish a basis and an understanding for the Creation Story. *First day*: God says let there be light. *Fourth day*: God creates the stars and moons. *Second day*: God creates the oceans and the sky. *Fifth day:* God fills the ocean with marine animals and the sky with avian animals. *Third day*: God creates land. *Sixth day*: God creates land creature: beasts and humans. Look at that parallelism; Hebrew poetry was not necessarily "hot", "spot", "shot", "rot". Hebrews did poetry mainly by parallelism; parallel ideas; introduce ideas "A", "B", "C" then augment ideas "A", "B", "C". Notice also the repetition of two phrases; "And God said" and "and God saw that it was good". If you can't pick up on those patterns, come one man, reread it. The greater evidence is that Genesis 1's literary style (at least the creation story) is Hebrew poetry. Most Christians belief that the world is young because some well-meaning Christians in the U.S. in the early days took all the genealogies and did the math and came to "the world is young". But the are basic flaws with their calculations and presuppositions are as follows: 1. There are known gaps in those geologies. 2. The Hebrew word for "son" ("ben") can mean also descendant of: "Jesus, who is the son of King David, who was the son of Father Abraham, who was the son of Adam"; any well versed Jew knows that Jesus was not the immediate son of King David who was not the immediate son of Father Abraham who was not the immediate son of Adam. Also notice day 4 “14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and *let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years*: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so." Even the bible admits that man's knowledge of tracking time is based upon the sun and stars. Our knowledge of tracking days is based upon Earth's position relative to the sun. So regardless of your age of the Earth stance (old or young) until day 4, you don't have a basis for tracking time. Again take notice again that the creation story's literary style is Hebrew poetry, so it would be intellectually dishonest for you or I to go to the Creation Story with stopwatch; it's not a scientific description of how God created the World.
Apologetics is trash. Yes I am trolling.The purported biblical foundation for apologetics as a Christian discipline is 1 Peter 3:15 "...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" However if kept in context with the rest of the passage it is plain that convincing speeches are clearly not what is meant rather displaying the qualities and character of Christ. The bible needs neither external explanation nor justification, anyone who thinks it does, does not know enough of God's Word nor does he obey it. Not to mention that I've never heard a person ask an apologist the reason for the hope they have in the Christian Faith, rather a bunch of silly contentious questions which Christians are warned not to entangle themselves with: Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. I could go on but if this isn't enough what more could make a difference?
Its a 24hr day with an evening and a morning...christtians love to twist their scriptures to say anything...that's why so many denominations and confusion exist...so god is the author of confusion
@@truesoundboy1 did you pay attention in the video? What does the Bible say in the very first verse. In the beginning. This verse never contradicts what is verified in science as the age of the earth. There is no confusion with God. The only one causing confusion is Satan who the Bible calls father of all lies. Many people are still subjected to lies because of him. This goes with false religions who spew lies about God. But there is only one true religion. the days of genesis were each extended long periods of time. God has the power to bring everything into existence with a word yet he created the universe and earth in the most naturalistic way. Trees for example do not grow fast. They take many years. So true Christians are not young earth creationist.
@@juniorsir9521 evening and morning was the first day...but I guess you could interpret the bible in whatever way you want...such is the bible...why cant a straightforward read yield what the text says...why is Christianity the one true religion...if you were born elsewhere...you may have been defending another religion...
@@truesoundboy1 Christianity in general is not the one true religion. There is only one true religion and it happens to be within Christianity. Why Christianity is true over other religions like say Buddhism Judaism ect? Or better yet, why is Christianity the only place to look for when it comes to truth and God? Because the one book they use is the Bible. The Bible contains not just human history it’s origins but everything it teaches is in tune with what we see and observe today. on scientific matters, it is accurate historical it is also accurate. It speaks of laws found in nature. The water cycle condensation evaporation of water and coming down as rain returning to rivers and oceans. It talks about proper hygiene practices using running water. The shape of the earth being round and hanging over nothing. Historically, the Bible talks about actual locations. For example many would try to dismiss the garden of eden as myth of fantasy. Yet the Bible speaks of it having four great rivers passing through it. Two of which still exist today. God condemned two sinful cities of the past known as Sodom and Gomorrah. Today we have evidence of existing ancient cities with high levels of sulphur deposit. Sulphur is in fact rare yet there are great amounts of it in this region where the cities once stood. then there’s the Bible’s prophecies regarding the great city of Babylon. Centuries earlier it predicted not only the fall of Babylon but also the name of the conqueror and how he and his military would go about doing it. 200 years later this very thing happened. We know no man could have predicted those descriptions in any way not accurately. Babylon as the Bible foretold would remain ruins and desolate uninhabitable. Even modern attempts today to rebuild it were futile. A dictator even tried but failed. The Bible predicted it would have been completely desolate. It is even to this day. You can find the ruins in modern day Iraq. the Bible made many predictions many of which came true others that are yet to come. We know that according to Jesus the new inheritance would be with true Christians. Jews were once Gods people but they lost all favor with the almighty. This was all foretold would happen as the Bible says Jesus would be rejected hated and killed hundreds of years before happening. Which is why Judaism cannot be true. You can easily dismiss any other religion. But it isn’t all Christianity. It’s one religion out of thousands that teach the truth. The whole truth not just of God but of life. It takes sincere hearts to find it. In fact the truth is accessible to all people of the earth. It usually comes to you. Some people however reject it or want nothing to do with it. Yes Jesus himself said this means everlasting life that they’re taking in accurate knowledge of truth of the father and his son.
When I was really young I thought Jesus would come back in my lifetime. But what I believe is Jesus will come back in all are life times how I don’t know, time is relitive I guess.
Out of interest, time can be varied with changes in gravity, and so consider starlight through space, if the light passes through a 'gravity well' or some other anomaly, the time it takes to reach us, relative to us, can be different to the simple equation of distance divided by speed. Another variable to consider, were the stars always the same ridonkulous distance from us as they are now (relatively speaking)? As God created he stretched out the heavens...
Helpful. I have come to view the universe as likely old, but not necessarily so, and creation on earth(I.e. life) as young. But like he says, its not a reason to divide Christians on. Personally, as we know at beginning of all creation, there were no laws of chemistry or physics so by definition they changed from nothing to something. There is in big bang theory the inflationary period, which requires all laws to be constantly changing, as I understand. Thus its reasonable to argue universal physics laws did change during the forming and expansion of universe and hence a younger universe than billions. Also last centuries measurements of light speed indicate a slowing down. Not all scientists agree on that data trend but it is something interesting to note.
It's very important that Christians follow what the Bible says, that Thea earth is young. DNA would be broken apart, we would be so mutated if it were millions of years old. That's only genetics. If you truly believe everything the Bible says, then the earth is young, at least 6,000 years old, and there is much evidence (scientific, but also historical) to prove it is. I'm sad that he thinks the earth is old. The star light is an issue for even the atheists (trillions of light years) suggesting that more than a constant speed for star light had happened. God could also have just created the stars with light already here. The days are also literal. It only took Adam a few hours to name the animals, looking at each "kind" and excluding the ones without "the breath of life". He didn't name all the insects. He didn't go "cow, ox". Because they were are from the same kind. He didn't go "lion, panther". He went, "cat", because there were only 2 cats with all the genetic information for what we have today and the DNA of the animals that were wiped out during the flood.
You speak a lot of error if you look at the first day of the week Sunday it says from evening to evening was a day that's 24 hours the third the second the fourth they all have an evening to evening the only day that doesn't have an evening to evening is the Saturday the seventh day of the week that is because God Ceased his work And rested on that day God has not stopped creating he will create again when he makes the earth and the heavens new Revelations
It is not important for people to know.God is going to tell us if we get the destiny of our salvation.Keep working to deserve the presence of the Creator.Praise the Lord.
Honestly it seems sort of impossible to trace something so long ago. I’m not sure how that is done, but a fascinating query. Ever find out anything on the topic? I noticed this is more of an older comment
It seems Frank is justifing his stance in 2 ways. 1.) He is placing the laws of logic over the authority of scripture, and 2.) He is forced to assume in the Gap Theory because if he didnt it would change the laws of logic (which are unchangable). So is Frank placing logic over God, because that is what he uses to prove God? God doesnt need help proving Himself, its ebident in creation, which the Word says happened in 6 litteral days. Our God works miricles. What reason do you have to question Gods word and read into the text?
God can make the plants instantly grow he doesn't have to wait the natural cycle you're confusing the word and trying to make it work for science it doesn't work that way. You have to take the bible literally.
Its a 24hr day with an evening and a morning...christtians love to twist their scriptures to say anything...that's why so many denominations and confusion exist...so god is the author of confusion
If you believe that all God accomplished on the first day was to create light, and separate it from the darkness that already existed, and called the light day and the darkness he called night, and the evening and the morning were the first day, that makes no sense. Genesis 2:1-2 says Thus the heavens and the earth were finished - included in the six days - and on the seventh day he ended his work which he ha made. And God rested on the seventh day. It is therefore easy to conclude that God made the heaven and the earth and the fullness thereof in six days. Moreover, the evening and the morning have been the span of a day since the beginning. Grace and Peace.
I reconcile the differing data from the Bible and science concerning the age of the Earth by referring to the first recorded miracle Jesus performed. 6 jugs of water became 6 jugs of wine in an instant. If you had access to scientific technology at the time and studied that miraculous wine you could discern the types of grapes (matter) and the length of fermentation (time). Possibly there would be theories supported by the scientific method applied to this wine as to which Vineyard the grapes came from and what methods of fermentation were used. Yet Jesus, fully God and fully man, made 6 jugs of wine out of 6 jugs of water. This is why I have faith that the creation of the universe and the Earth therein miraculously occurred in 6 days while the scientific observations seem to say otherwise.
Well, first off you're going by your assumption of his meaning of "good" being precisely that there is no physical death on the Earth, which is odd to suggest because animal death is a necessity for the functioning of ecosystems and not to mention fossil fuels from physical death of animals over the course of a long period of time, which have been necessary for human achievement up until now. God, knowing in advance Adam would sin, would have prepared the way in manners like these. Animals don't have souls, they aren't capable of sin. If the wages of sin is death but animals can't sin, then the death it's referring too that displeases God must be referring to spiritual death. His words are not our words and His thoughts are not our thoughts, but the evidence is pretty clear there has been animal death and carnivorous behavior for some time (a very long time), and the God I worship isn't a God of confusion nor would have made it look different then so to deceive us.
@@fallen1world294 why would God call what He created good and then at the end very good on the 6th day. He breathed His Holy breath into all life. How could that very good include death? Did not the Lord Jesus Christ offer His life on the cross and die an excruciating death. Did He not rise again in 3 days. And just what did He do in those three days? He defeated Death. The victory over Death was to overcome how All of Creation Fell in the Garden. And restore the relationship that was lost in that Garden due to Death.
For me, Genesis 1 describes the formation of the solar system and earth. So 1 celestial day equals around 1 billion years since God is not constrained by 3-dimensional space-time.
Please read exodus 20:11. “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” So heaven and earth is included. No long period of time or gaps. And even Jesus quotes Genesis, and I don’t think Jesus was a liar. Still young earth.
"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Doesn't get much clearer then that. "Evening and the morning were the first day". "Evening and morning". Sun down, sun up. Was that a "spiritual" evening and morning, or a literal evening and morning? No doubt it was a 7 day, 168 hour time frame. How could it be anything else? "Were the first DAY". Pretty straight forward!
It is just so crazy how he uses the semantics to try to muddle the issue. In Genesis 1, God uses the word day and then explains what he meant by day by telling us that there was evening and morning and that was the first day, second day, and so on. If they were extremely long days the world would have fried on one side and frozen on the other. It seems impossible to the point of absurd to think that the author meant anything other than a normal 24 hour day. When you judge the meaning by Occam's Razor it would clearly point to a normal day.
I personally think God did everything in 7 days (6 days technically but you know what I mean). I don't follow the whole "days meant something different from God" argument when the bible makes a point of noting the "evening and the morning". That said, still respect Frank. He's a cool guy.
I like the old universe but young mankind view like Steven Meyer holds. However, I do believe in a young earth. Why couldn't God create the earth already in its fully mature state? Then it would look older when studied. I do not think that those who hold either view should make it a salvation issue or let it divide the body of Christ
I think apparently distant starlight is a major reason why I'm currently unsure of holding to a YEC view. There are plenty of views regarding the age of creation, so it doesn't seem so bleak to me. Though, I agree that a YEC view might seem to have much scriptural support, whereas an alternative view might seem to have less support (or basically no support at all).
When someone bases the age of the universe on starlight, assumptions are being made. One assumption is that light given off by the farthest star has traveled across the universe to the point we are able to see it. A crude formula would be something like: Age of universe = "Distance across universe" divided by "speed of light" (time = distance ÷ speed) Since there are no humans that were known to have been alive at the beginning of the universe AND wrote down what they saw (giving us an eye witness account), it is an assumption that light *HAS* traveled across the universe. One counter is "What if the universe was created with initial conditions where starlight was already visible across the universe?" Assumptions are being made here as well but the main point is, no one knows for sure.
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.
At first I thought he said you are alot more tolerant....😂🤣😂🤣😍
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The best answer I’ve heard, rational and it takes the other theories and puts them in context. How he does this in so brief an answer is amazing.. I have immense respect for John Lenox and was pleased to hear you reference him.
I’m so glad this man can put my thoughts into an intelligible sequence and produce a intellectual argument. I’ve thought the same thing, that the only difference in science are the scientists, but I could never find a way to say it.
Trueee I think about many things but couldn't bring it up in a good sentence as he can
I love questions about the bible and science. That's why I started my channel
Most scientists don't tell the truth these days because if they go against the the establishment they lose their job. Macro or Darwinian evolution is IMPOSSIBLE AND SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO BE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S STILL BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHY? EVIL!
@@RabbitNose the TRUTH IS, there is NO MECHANISM IN CHEMISTRY OR BIOLOGY to ACCOUNT FOR DARWINIAN EVOLUTION. The ONLY scientific possible explanation is INTELLIGENT DESIGN. The universe is NOT OLD ENOUGH for MACO EVOLUTION to come about by RANDOM NATURAL SELECTION even IF THERE WAS A MECHANISM. The mathematical possibility of a simple protein forming by natural selection is impossible in 13.7 billion years. FACT.
Why would God rest before the final judgement ??
“The Bible tells us how to get to heaven, it doesn’t tell us how the heavens go.”
Pope Leo Xlll
jappa Kneads shame on you for insulting men of God
think that was galileo actually
Yes, that would require knowledge not faith.
AlexHector
Why does the Bible mention Moses when we have Jesus ?
Why does the Bible mention David
When we have Jesus ?
Why did Jesus pick 12 sinful men
When we have Jesus ?
Why did the 12 sinful men pick successors when we have Jesus ?
Why does the Bible say
“They remained faithful to the teaching of the apostles.”
Acts 2:42
When we have Jesus?
Why did people by the millions go listen to
Billy Graham when they could stay home and read the words of Jesus ?
The Pope was set up by Jesus
Jesus said his church would last forever
There has been a Pope for 2000yrs.
Jesus told the apostles to go teach.
Why when we have Jesus ?
The Bible clearly says
“Be obedient to those GOD has appointed over u.”
AlexHector
1. We have an unbroken line of popes from
Jesus till today. No one else even comes close. As Jesus said
“Since you’ve been with me from the beginning.”
2. Jesus talked about his Kingdom
So yes the church is rich.
3. God told David in the Old Testament
“I will build you a throne and it shall last
FOREVER.”
3000yrs later the pope sits on a throne.
Isaiah 22 says
Then it shall be in that day,
I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah;
21 I will clothe him with your robe
And strengthen him with your belt;
I will commit your responsibility into his hand.
He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem
And to the house of Judah.
22 The key of the house of David
I will lay on his shoulder;
So he shall open, and no one shall shut;
And he shall shut, and no one shall open.
23 I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place,
And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house.
Jesus told peter
“I give u the keys of the Kingdom.”
Mt 16
LOL.. WOW In the end no one really knows but God himself.
Certainly not the whole truth. No, we don't.
I can't stand when people ask the question "who created God?" They don't seem to understand that God is without beginning or end, He's not a created being, they clearly seem to lack the understanding of what God is
@@thepossessor
Thats because we have small 10lb brains...if we could fit all God's knowledge into our small brains, then he wouldn't be God
@@GCEXTREMEMN not necessarily so, knowledge by itself wouldn't make you on par with God, God could upload all of his knowledge into our brains if he wanted to, that still wouldn't equate us to him, but it might literally drive you crazy lol, if I recall a similar experience to Job
@@thepossessor you think our little 8-10lbs brains could hold all the infinite knowledge of the universe, all the knowledge of God?? Hahahaha
I think that God is so great that He could make a 4 billion years old Earth, with everything that it is on it, in just six days.
Yes, and He could have done it all in one second or less. It's better if we ask ourselves, what does the seven days of creation really means? What is its spiritual meaning? I mean, a lot of the OT are shadows of the real things and the NT clarify those shadows and show their real meaning.
@@Salvation-Damnation Why didn't god write a perfectly understandable document the the first time instead of needing to "clear up" (still unsuccessfully) things.
Also why did god need to rest on the last day?
@@ericbell940 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs:25:2
@@Salvation-Damnation 1. “Got the bill and Rita paid it/Took her home and nearly made it/Sitting on the sofa with a sister or two”. SPLHCB - The Beatles
2. Why does your imaginary god need to conceal anything?
@@ericbell940 Oh boy, He actually does reveal his mysteries, and He is doing it specially in these last times, but you gotta have the gift, or at least be a fervent seeker and faithful servant. We as christians know or should know the basics, but there's so much knowledge contained in the bible that the church ignores, and I've seen that only those with the gift of science know the depths of the bible. Ultimately it is the Spirit of God who reveals the mysteries. To one person He could reveal a certain matter and to other person He could reveal another different matter (no one knows it all). I don't think have the gift but I know a few (personally just two) that do have it.
God is not gonna reveal His riches and His wisdom to an atheist, please LOL that sole idea is laughable. So keep believing that (for instance) when the bible mentions talking stars it is refering to literally stars and it is dumb and fantasious. I don't care, man.
The only thing I will mention, is that one day we will all stand in front of the judgment seat of God, and the reedemed will go to everlasting life and the unredeemed to everlasting contempt. I understand why you don't believe, the god of this world, lucifer, has blinded your eyes and you cannot see, and you will NEVER see, unless you really humble yourself and cry unto God. But you love your sin more (and it's understandable, without the Spirit of God you cannot do anything about it) you don't like to be told what to do, you want to live life without any consequences, without being accountable to God. I'm just gonna say, you gotta repent, man. Find God, call Him while He is near before it is to late for you. I mean, eternity is at stake here, your soul is at stake here. Don't do it for me, or for anyone, at least do it for youself.
This is a welcome direction in Christianity -- open mindedness with a clear focus on what really matters. Thanks.
Open mindedness, but he is still wrong. Read what God did on the 3 days, and you understand. Frank Turek's problem is that he belive million of years is proved, and he try to implent it into the bible.
@@Giraf1964 What has religion to do with open mindedness?
@@ericbell940 everything, then you understand that science have not proven million of years. And when everything point to a creator then... you have to be open minded.
@@Giraf1964 I don’t know what you mean by millions of years but science can go back billions of years. Everything was created but nothing points to a religious like god,,again religion and open mindedness are not comparable
@@ericbell940 Science uses different radiometric dating methods today to messure the age. In all of them they have to assume how the earth was in the beginning. Without knowing how the earth was in the beginning, they can also not start the halflife of the isotopes they will messure. So no, they have no idea how old the earth is without believing it is so. everyting points to is was created, and it was the God of the bible. The only on there is. So like you see, you cant just belive something just because some scientist say somehting. You have to be open minded. Look at the evidence yourself.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the all-knowing and all-powerful God of all creation. That same God who created everything loves you so much and wants to have a relationship with you. Hopefully this helped you today. God bless.
He lacks one trait, existence.
Myths don't really help.
There once was a man named Dwight. He travelled at the speed of light. He went out one day in a relative way, and came back the previous night...
I knew him.
@@gerardmoloney9979 you WILL know him. Time travel forward
@@johnfroelich8554 I'm from the future!
@@gerardmoloney9979 of course. What was i thinking...
I'm Dwight. Until Yesterday.
Personally, i enjoy differing perspectives on this issue. I should always allow myself to be challenged. I dont always have to agree & thats okay. Hostility is not necessary, ive learned. I dont have to feel threatened. Dr. Turek makes some intriguing points. I should never get too complacent in my faith. At the end of the day, i feel, the only thing i need to come to a concrete conclusion on, is whether i believe the tomb was empty!
Borderline Brian Well said
The answer to "How old is the Earth" is "Around 6000 years", spoken directly by God to a modern man who was granted a vision and one question. You can argue it was a lying spirit contacting him, but we know the lying spirits serving Satan want us to believe Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The world reminds me of the game series called Civilization, I believe they are up to #6 now. In the starting menu you can select all the features of the world, including its age, then when you click Start Game it generates the world. Time begins at 4000 BC. When you advance to the end of the game you can train archaeologists who might dig things up and think they are 100s of millions of years old, and might conclude their world is 4.5 billion years old, because that's what you set it at when you made the game. But being outside the game you are aware of the fact that their world actually began in 4000 BC. So, if you dropped a note into their world telling them this, would they have faith and believe you, or believe in the rocks they examine?
@@Kariegoz lying spirits you mean scientists citing evidence based upon repeatable and well understood physical laws?
@@IIrandhandleII 3D physical laws do not affect beings in the 4th dimension or higher, so your response doesn't apply to the creation of Earth by a higher being. And you cannot rely on "scientists" for truth, they are only humans. Just do some searches for things "scientists" used to believe 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and 500 years ago.
@@Kariegoz It's almost a moot point. But, just for the sake of argument, I have to throw out there, that it is well documented that there were human civilizations long before 4000 BC, and it is provable beyond any serious doubt. Not to mention life forms that were in existence prior to the appearance of man. Even Adam and Eve are known to have been alive long before that. Think about it.
When discussing Young Earth Creationist (YEC) or Old Earth Creationist (OEC), or whether the account in Genesis and the days are actual or metaphorical, it’s important to realize that in these discussions, the unit of measure is “Time”. So then the question should be: when was time created? I think we miss the point that while God was creating the universe and the Earth, He was also creating time. As He went through each day, He was establishing time: 7 days in a week - not 6 or 10 - but 7 days in a week, day and night with 24 hours in each day (John 11:9), etc. He was doing all this to get the Earth ready, with all of its environments (plants, animals etc.) and order (laws of time, physics, science, etc.), for the eventual habitation of humans. I know this may sound obvious, but before God created time, there was no time, and so there’s nothing to measure. It wasn’t until He created the Earth, 7 days/week, 24 hours/day, then the clock can start ticking and we can look for accounts to measure the age of the Earth. Additionally, throughout the Bible, God makes it clear that He is more powerful than nature/His creation, and if He wants to create the Earth in 7 days, He can do that: in addition to Genesis, you look at examples like the parting of the red Sea in Exodus, Numbers 26:10 when the Earth opened up and swallowed Korah; when the Israelites crossed the Jordan river in Joshua 3-4, Job 41-42 when God lists all the things He has done and His limitless power and resources; Mark 4:35-41 when Jesus calms the storm and the disciples wonder “who is this? Even the wind and waves obey Him!” (i.e. who is this person than can control and overcome nature/creation?) Based on this, I believe there’s overwhelming evidence and support for YEC (of course, that's assuming you believe in God and the Bible).
Really appreciate everything you do - learned a lot from you. Thank you and God bless you!
I agree. God is too powerful to limit what he can do in a day. 😁
An example of Bible-related ignorance. The seven day week was not established in any culture before about 2500 BC. It's nothing to do with the creation myth in Genesis, which was written around 500 BC.
@@urasam2 So… according to you, (1) I’m ignorant (2) the concept of a 7 day creation week along with the account in Genesis is a myth (3) there’s no account of 7-day weeks prior to 2500BC, so that means it didn’t exist? or people weren’t aware of it?...seriously?? and (4) the Bible was written in 500BC. May I suggest that you expand your resources beyond the bubble of internet bias (and often wrong) content that you are regurgitating. Also, it appears you have latched on to the Graf-Wellhausen Hypothesis - even its Bible range is from 500 to 1000 BC, so why did you selectively choose the earliest one? Not to mention that this Hypothesis is full of contradiction and is no longer widely accepted. BTW Biblically, the writing of the Bible is estimated to have started around 1500BC, even secular archeological estimates are 1300BC, not sure why you’re pursuing the 500BC theory - it raises more questions than answers?? You obviously don’t believe in God, so you’ll have to cross that bridge first before you talk about the validity of the Bible and the account in Genesis. When you consider life itself, or the fact that we have 2 sexes, males and females (not just 1 or 3 or more) - how can you explain this outside of a creator God and the logical and systematic creation account in Genesis? (the Big-Bang chaotic explosion, and-let-the-pieces-fall-where-they-may, theory makes more sense to you? Really?) You can claim that somehow life was produced on earth out of nothing, no designer or God, over billions and billions of years; and somehow, this theory or life producing mechanism, was smart enough to produce yet another life-producing mechanism in the form of males and females, to sustain life - not just in humans, but in species everywhere: on land, in the ocean, in the air, regardless of geographical or environmental conditions. That’s amazing how all this happened by chance…..or does it in fact prove that there is intelligence in the universe? Even when you consider any living system - all inputs of life have to be present otherwise, it cannot exist, so how could this happen over a long period of time, rather, it had to be a short period of time. Deut. 30:19 “This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you, life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.” Basically, as long as you have walked on this earth or looked up to sky, you have no excuse not to believe in God. He won’t use the Bible against you, rather, He will use the obvious evidence that’s right before your eyes!
@@sjarjoura9188 1)I called it ignorance because the views you expressed are clearly ignorant of the facts, I am not calling you ignorant per se. 2)Yes, the 7 day creation story is a myth, it's obviously a myth, and is accepted as a myth by the vast majority of the Jews whose Holy book it is anyway. 3) There is no objective reason why we have a seven day week, it's arbitrary. The Celts, Etruscans and Romans had an 8 day week, the Chinese, Egyptians and even the French have had 10 day weeks, and other cultures have had weeks of between 4 and 10 days. 4) I was not giving the date of 500 BC for the composition of the entire Bible. I was referring to Genesis in its current form. Scholars agree that it was put together during the Babylonian exile, and though you reject the Documentary Hypothesis, there is no disagreement among scholars (who know what they are talking about) that the Torah is composed from a variety of different sources, principally J, D and P.
The rest of your comment is a classic example of "The God of the Gaps" argument. You can't understand how the universe came to be in its present form and you can't understand abiogenesis or evolution, therefore you claim "well then, God must have done it". You display an ignorance of Big Bang Theory, and an ignorance of evolution via random mutation and natural selection over time. Notice I didn't say "you are ignorant".
@@urasam2 I appreciate the clarification, but "God of the gaps":) You mean the gaps that Big Bang, evolution and all these other theories have created:) and if the " 7 day week is arbitrary', is that what time and our dating methods are based on - an arbitrary system? Really? You do realize that all these theories are based on a pile of assumptions, and then the science is mangled to make it fit - not to mention ignoring logic, math/probability, etc. all for the sake of not even wanting to consider an intelligent creator - talk about ignoring scientific objectivity. They started off with removing God as an option, and tried to come up with a theory to explain life. It's amazing how statements like "...The vast majority..." and "...scholars agree..." keep getting tossed around as evidence, when they only represent the opinion of a few people - which they are entitled to, but it doesn’t make it factual. It's not about my ignorance of these theories, but rather the baseless, unscientific and misleading information of these theories - which they eventually end up contradicting themselves. Abiogenesis (the rebranding of the debunked 'spontaneous generation' theory, which has been experimentally proven to be false - even the probability of forming the simplest life form based on this theory is 1 in 10 to the 90,000 power); ... Big Bang (improved instrumentation and observational methods keep highlighting inconsistences in this theory, to which the mysterious 'dark matter' has been introduced to try and save it, without any evidence);... Evolution (from nothing/no life/no information, came something/information/life - this is what you base your beliefs on?);... then followed and contradicted by random mutation (random, yet not too random to stop the bias of evolution theory or natural selection right?), natural selection (no issues with selecting living forms that can survive, but you do realize that this theory contradicts evolution and random mutation, since you have to ‘select’ from a pre-existing selection, and therefore nothing new is created). You are entitled to believe in these theories (and they are just theories), but do you not see how deficient they are? The main driving theme is that life and everything just came together by itself (through wild assumptions) with no design and no intelligent input, then throw in the billions of years to cover the gaps and details in these assumptions, and go around calling that evidence. It's like looking at a wooden piece of furniture and saying it came together by itself, then dating the wood to find out that it came from a 100 year-old tree, and concluding that the furniture is a 100 years old.....meanwhile it was made last week by a carpenter. What I'm suggesting to you is that you revisit the information and your beliefs, but this time keep God on the table as an option and see how it stacks up.
As a born again Christian I believe the earth is about 6000 years old.
Louis Emmen
....your brain is now dog shit! Welcome to your life of appalling ignorance
Yeah possible im not 100 percent sure i lean to a young universe Remember the angles were created before man how much before we don't know
Sad someone could be that ignorant of science and the truth that JESUS is not real
Speaking of appalling. So was your comment Berzerker.
Don't listen to +Berzerker Juice. There is no age given in the Bible actually. It is mostly accepted by other Christians that its billions of years old. All the Bible says is "In the beginning." It could be as old as Larry King and Betty White combined.
Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements-surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
“Or who shut in the sea with doors
when it burst out from the womb,
when I made clouds its garment
and thick darkness its swaddling band,
and prescribed limits for it
and set bars and doors,
and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?
“Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
and caused the dawn to know its place,
that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth,
and the wicked be shaken out of it?
It is changed like clay under the seal,
and its features stand out like a garment.
From the wicked their light is withheld,
and their uplifted arm is broken.
“Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of hell been revealed to you,
or have you seen the gates of deepest darkness?
Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? anwser me if you know all this.
“Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
and where is the place of darkness,
that you may take it to its territory
and that you may discern the paths to its home?
Surely you know, for you were born then,.
God could have said all that to Job in a single sentence: "You are nothing but my bitch!"
Nais...you have a problem ..not with Bro. Job...but the fact that GOD said.. Job is perfect and upright.. baffles/disturbs/offends you and makes you mad at GOD ....much like Cain and Abel...one brother killed the other because of GODS evaluation/ appreciation... As far as the Narrative goes .Beloved you can stay mad ..Your bad conduct and nasty commentary bad odour spewed from your heart through you mouth changes nothing but exposes s deficit / weakness and wickedness (conceit) and misplaced anger ...look in your mirror.. Share this Epistle with others.. GOD Bless You
Richardo.. Excellent.. Excellent. Excellent treatment of this subject under discussion...pure Word from GOD HIMSELF......Thank you for the LESSON😇😇😇
@@piesho Don't curse like that. =/ Regardless, God elaborated on the issue for both Job's and our benefit, and I, for one, am very glad He did.
That one passage truly shows you just how much more knowledgeable, wise, and poetic the Lord is compared to us. For simply he knows all for he made all. The beginning, middle, and end. The question isn't wether how it was all made or why it was, but where do we want to be at the end?...
Before I get to your answer, even if it's the opposite of my opinion, I'm liking the video for the universe being AT LEAST 53 years old lol
Frank "Ask me any fringe question about religion and Ill show you a power point presentation I made months ago" Turek
This is not a fringe topic. The universe is known to be 14 billion years old... whybut anyone would ask this question to a pastor with no scientific training or background is beyond me.
Atheists create templated questions to throw in the comment section also. Anything with that?
@@IIrandhandleII Theoried to be
@@IIrandhandleII wait it's 14 now? I thought it was 7 billion years
@@redpilledtrooper7523 Lol! Your comment is the perfect response to the joke of our carbon dating systems. Thank you
Adam was created a matured man. Universe was created matured
That's convenient.
Where's the proof?
@@Machiavelli876 where's the proof you come from a fish how dumb are you
@@willywonka077
Nature tells us in many ways.
Your comment even clearly shows that there has not been much intellectual progress in the process. For some humans at least.
And why would a bronze age book be true?
@Albert Stegeman Why would it be wrong? Have you read it? If you have, did you ever read anything remotely like it?
Dead sea scrolls dated back to at least 150 BC contain prophesies about Jesus (more then 100) that he fulfilled. ALL of them. The book of Daniel contains prophesies about the history of the world after Daniel (of cause) that was 100% accurate. The truth of the Holy Bible is undeniable. If it wasn't undeniable I would not believe in it because I come from a science loving past of unbelieving atheism.
So why did I start reading about religions and believes? Because I died and when I was dead, I was still alive only outside my body.
If you want to know the truth, you will investigate and find it (seek and you shall find) if you don't want to know the truth, you will probably not even read this comment.
GB
I have always sided w more of a young earth school of thought, but in the end it doesn't matter.
Jesus will say on Judgement Day one of two things to each of us. Depart from me I never knew you, or welcome good and faithful servant.
If you don't love God the Father first, your neighbor as yourself and entreat your enemy in his time of need, who cares how old the earth / universe is?
Some atheist can never disprove God to me because I KNOW what Jesus did for me when I became born again. I've walked with Him for 32 years, not going back now. 🙂
Cant' we all stop arguing about these minor details and just be Brothers in Christ??
we cant stop arguing about these things
because almost all of us are old testament
christians.meaning not born again.
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
@@waynebrewer8908 if we are supposedly ot Christains,why do most not even understand the ot?
@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670 you dont even need
to no the ot to be an ot christain.
all you need is to be carnal minded.
@@waynebrewer8908 I totally disagree. You think it is OK to throw out half of God.. if we know The Word we know Him.
Old as in what? Adam was created on Day 6 and lived to 930 years old. Therefore, you can't have millions of years. Furthermore, Adam was a perfect being when he named the animals. So, it is not outside the realm of possibility that he named them all quickly. Lights being used to separate day and night is not the same as it all happening on the fourth day. If we allow for the days of creation to be anything other than 24 hour periods, we open the door to things like macro evolution, millions of years, and death before sin; which destroys the Gospel, the testimony of Jesus, and the work week we use. If God wanted to say the Earth was old, the Biblical timeline would support it. I don't see that it does. My $0.02.
So you’re answer is whatever the Bible says and science is wrong?
I James I don't think you understand. Creation began before the first day. We don't know how long that was.
In the desert You find some water 👏🏽😌
Revelation 22:7 "Look, I am coming soon!" or quickly, depends on translations
How long is "soon"?
It’s not specified so that we are always ready, that’s the point. Live every moment like soon is seconds away.
I want you to clap. That’s how fast your life is. Now clap 10 times. Do you realize how far back you went? Your parents lives are a clap, your life is a clap. Time is very fast.
@Kody Crittenden
Evidence?
@Kody Crittenden
What is your evidence that a god exists?
@Kody Crittenden
If you think Frank is a good source of knowledge....youve been deceived by that disgusting charlatan.
If you do not have physical evidence.. Admittedly so...then why believe it?
I love the perspicuity of Scripture. Verse 1, 2 and 3 are on the first day. Verse two is there to describe the conditions in verse 1. With the understanding of the earth being without form and void sets the appreciation for everything created.
I really appreciate his honesty, that it’s ok to believe in the Bible and an old universe, they’re not incompatible. Teachers in Sunday school sometimes keep trying to push this young earth belief, being created in only 6 literal days. I simply disagree
I think that belief leads children to atheism later on as they struggle to believe. They should be taught old earth and that the more important thing is Jesus
No they are not compatible. You've been DUPED. No evidence for long earth and the Bible nowhere says anything about a long earth. That is read into the scriptures. I know the whole issue, all the verses. This video repeats the same nonsense. A literal 24 hour day in the Bible is not ambiguous. It does not become other forms of days. They are separate meanings. If a day could be a week or a1000 years (not literal periods of time) it is not meant for us to come up with millions/billions of years. Its not there. If a day is a 1000 yeas, then Jesus would still be in the tomb.
I would be rid of a Sunday school teacher that taught anything other than the 6 day the Bible teaches. No evidence for long earth and denies clear evidence of the flood. Evolutionists are laughing their heads off. They have always attacked Genesis because it is the foundation of the Bible. If they can cast doubt on it, they can turn many from the rest of the Bible. 2nd best accomplishment for Atheists is Christians that have fallen for long creation heresy by deceived Christians, like Hugh Ross and company.
Gen 1 days: "and it was so" is the same as "and there was light", which everyone understands was instantaneous. Atheistic Evolution is not logical by scientific standards. It is a hypothesis, not even graduated to theory, yet is taught as fact. How can Christians borrow from Atheists to form their beliefs? Stand up for the word of God as written or you will fall for nonsense like this. Evolutionists' will say, Gravity is a theory, but if you jump out a window your going to die. Yeah, because its a LAW, not a theory. They come up with many such lies. Every bit of Theistic Evolution is all just well presented ERROR. " So, little Johnny & Sally, God created the earth in 6 24 hour days and rested on the 7th day, because the Bible says so and incidentally, so-called "scientists" are lying to you about evolution"
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.
The universe is 13.7 billion years old. Period. If you think otherwise then you are *DEMONSTRABLY* wrong.
So how big was the sun,, say, 1 million years ago? Lol
@Nick Jones imagination!! You can imagine all you want ,,why don't you research it? At its current rate of shrinkage it would have been touching the Earth 22 million years ago.. 4000 years ago ,,scientist can understand why the Earth wasn't fried. The Bible has all the scientific answers of Truth.. but that is not taught in any schools or colleges.. too bad. Albert Einstein is a believer in Genesis.
@Nick Jones ok imagine all you want,, the sun emits energy , burnings for billions of years and never changes, it's a miracle
There were theories about the sun "burning up", before nuclear fusion was understood, which were used to support YEC timescales. These were wrong because they made assumptions (one of Dr Turek's favourite words) that were wrong. One of the factors that led to my being converted from a YEC was the thorough dishonesty of the YECs whereby they cling to an out-of-date theory simply because it suits their arguments, even though it is easily demonstrated to be false. A million years ago the sun wouldn't have been much different to what it is today. At the current, measured rates of Hydrogen to Helium fusion it won't start to swell up into a Red Giant star for another few thousand million years yet.
LOL how many time times has science changed that number? It will change again in the future. Stop making current scientific theory a religion.
God creates old things. Just like Adam, who was created as a fully grown man. Any modern doctor examining Adam would have said he was at least 20 years old, literally on his first day in existence.
Dang I need to see Kent Hovind and Frank Turek debate over the age of the earth haha
Do u think they will agree? Or disagree each other?
@@belladiaz9133 Kent is an immovable object and will never change his mind no matter how much evidence there is.
@@thanushan3981 what evidence???
@@belladiaz9133 evidence for an old earth
@@thanushan3981 are u sure that that evidence is truth?
Why is the word "day" disputed only in the first chapters of Genesis and not in the other 2,000+ times it is used in the rest of the bible? Remember that the first thing that Satan said to Eve was, "Did God really say ...?" Putting doubt as to the truthfulness of God's word is the first step in causing people to disbelieve.
Well God said they would surely die and they didn't
Jesus said he would tear down the temple and build it up in 3 days and that didn't happen
Jesus was a bit of a smart alec and God is too
A lot of stuff is figurative and it's for the best
Have you seen Adam and Eve around lately? Jesus did not say He would tear down the temple...He said: Destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days. He was the temple. Open a bible, Eric, and learn the truth. May the Lord bless you with wisdom.
@@stevecoyle1 Lol, dude I know this. The point I was making was he was speaking figuratively on purpose to mess with people
In this very video, Turek describes a usage of the term "day" in another context that does not refer to a 24 hour period. It's not debated in most (all?) other passages because the context makes the intended meaning virtually indisputable, and in many of those passages, it does not refer to a single rotation of the Earth. That is not entirely the case in Genesis 1.
@@BladeOfLight16 It means an actual day because God said it was morning, then evening, when he describes each day. Couldn't be more clear than that.
The world is 6k plus years old.
@Dirk Knight isnt that theory called Last Thursdayism or something ?
I’d love to hear Kent Hovind’s response to this.
Agreed! Kent Hovind has, EDIT: *provided a strong foundation of information that has helped me better understand Genesis.* I really like Turek. Sucks he says "the 3rd day seems to require longer because you have the growth of vegetation and fruit bearing plants". My thought is, God Create man mature(They were not infants) so why wouldn't He had done the same thing with everything else.... and the plants need the sun to grow, which was not created till the 4th day....
Hovind doesn't even know science nor his interpretation of the bible is exegesis.
@@momentsliketheseofficial "Kent Hovind has provided a strong foundation to my Genesis understanding. "
Is that like another person's strong foundation for understanding the story of Prometheus or Perseus? Or Star Trek?
It's so easy to criticize someone's knowledge, or undermine their intelligence. Luckily, it doesn't make it any less foolish. Hovind is a smart guy, no doubt about it. To say that he doesn't know science or have a strong understanding of the Bible is absurd.
Servant of God filled with His wisdom...Thanks for obeying Jesus...Your love for Jesus is true and let more and more children...God creations be saved through Christ alone...For He is coming... amen
That's one fantastically prepared non-answer (slides and all) for an spontaneous question :P
RMD not his first rodeo. If you've watched or been to a seminar you'd know the same questions get asked time and time again.
I’d definitely have pre made power point files for faqs.. though I noticed the same thing and had the same thought before considering it lol
So what answer would you like? Would you just like answers you agree with?
If you notice during the question he goes back to his computer at 0:56 , most likely he's been asked this question hundreds of times so he has prepared slides to support his answering of the question. Now I don't think his answer is amazing but I don't think he's doing anything sneaky either.
haha agreed! That was great
Exodus 20:11 (KJV)
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. If Heaven and Earth were not made in six literal days then we would have an awful long work week.
It was only when post enlightenment science started questioning faith. Look into John Lennox teaching on 7 days that divide the world.
cybresaint agis it depend on interpretation of the written word, remember that the bible was not written in English
Notice how God doesn't close off the seventh day like the rest of the days, he never says "and the evening and the morning were the seventh day" could it be that we're still living in the seventh day?
It’s entirely possible, which means that the six days could have been simplified so that it made sense. The Bible even says that one day is like a thousand years, which means that some of the days mentioned could be symbolic or simplified to make it easier to read/understand.
@@thatonechristian2487 I don't think so because God blessed the seventh day
and it became the Sabbath day and the Israelites had this one particular day where they had to rest and do no work.
If the seventh day was longer than a 24 hour day, then what God said about keeping the Sabbath day holy wouldn't make sense and everyday would have to be a Sabbath day.
If it's a problem for some about how Adam was able to name all the animals in a day, what about making the entire finely tuned universe from nothing?! Adam was different man from today's corrupted man. He was supernatural in many ways.
The term "Day" does not need to mean a 24 hour period, can mean epoch in my opinion
The universe isnt finely tuned for us
Finely tuned? How so?
@Israel Yitzhak Turek already explained yom doesn’t necessarily mean 24 hours.
@@PD-yd3fr What do you do with morning and evening or the week in Exodus? The writer of Genesis in my opinion went out of his way to make it a 24 hour day.
The problem is that God siad that he did it in 6 days ( we can speculate about Genesis, the gap theory, but the problem is in Exodus 20:11 ).
Is not a problem, is the SOLUTION and answer to the age of the earth argument!
What stars really look like
Omg, you need to go to outer space
Dude The bible never said the earth was flat
Młody i Reformowany
That's not a problem.
Because the bible never contradict itself.
Your answer is on 2 Peter 3:8
You are welcome ( ;
What stars really look like
Oh my gosh. Do people actually believe the earth is flat?
Velvet Bear
Yep unfortunately
Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old, plus or minus about 50 million years. Scientists have scoured the Earth searching for the oldest rocks to radiometrically date. In northwestern Canada, they discovered rocks about 4.03 billion years old.
Last I checked the context of the Bible made it very clear that "In the beginning..." really means in the very beginning, which would indeed have been the FIRST day (I mean, come on, it's not like it would be without a beginning; how far-fetched is it not to attempt to find some hidden amount of time in-between Genesis 1 and 2, just to please a movement of evolutionists as opposed to reasoning with them in a consistent Biblical manner), and that Genesis 1 makes it very clear by first defining what a day is (the light portion of a day and a night) and then going on to list six actual days with "evening, morning, number, and calling it a day". Attempting to stretch this out into some supposedly "deep periods of time" doesn't make sense and only creates more issues and raises more questions. God created in six days and rested on the seventh, and this has already happened, and is thus also a model for our weekly lives. The seventh day isn't "still going on", it's already happened long ago.
Furthermore, the genealogies of Genesis makes it very clear that there were only about 2,000 years before Abraham, and then we commonly understand there to have been about 2,000 years from Abraham to Christ, and about 2,000 years from Christ to today, making up a planet and universe of about 6,000 years in age. Period. I would state the contexts and the numbers are already clear enough. The problem comes in attempting to explain the results of the two most considerable events in history, namely the Creation and the Flood, by mere naturalistic terms and ends up distorting actual history and creating a false history of the world. What is ironic though is how many Christians (in making the mistake to place their faith more in the words of men rather than the Word of God in order to bring more people to the faith - however succesful that would actually turn out is questionable) indeed attempt to make the Bible fit with mankind's unreliable understanding and the heavily speculative concept of deep time and millions and billions of years of Earth history.
More often than not, these people have essentially been taught (either by society or themselves or some mix of both) to question the Word of God and abuse their own God-given mind in favor of pleasing the minds of mere sinful men, being in rebellion against their Creator, forging their own rules. How discouraging and frustrating it is also to see men of God who attempt to support the Bible at the same time as attempting to support deep time and ending up leaving an atmosphere of confusion, as well as a sense of deception, while they could instead have remained Biblically consistent and scientifically honest. I saw the problem very well while still being an evolutionist, and I certainly see it much more clearer now as a creationist, and it boggles my mind why anybody would continue promoting this nonsense.
Xenosaurian could it have been a day without a sun.
Its a silly debate all the way around. God can create aged, matured things. Adam is a perfect example. Scripture even specifically says in multiple places the heavens were created "of old".
My goodness. What gets me is how some people appear to be bright, intelligent folks; yet, they can't grasp simple concepts, if those concepts go against their previously formed ideas. The World is not only 6000 years old. Get over it. However, that in no way obfuscates or contradicts the OT. Think about it. And use some common sense, please. Our Universe is immense beyond the capacity of the human mind to comprehend. Why, why I ask you, would God place men only on this tiny orb, after fashioning the inconceivably large Universe of trillions of stars and other worlds? It is pretentious arrogance to think that we are so important as to be the only intelligent life God has ever created. Get over yourselves, and the overweening, self-important mentality of thinking we are all that. God loves us, but to limit and to confine Him to a box is just ludicrous. Peace
@Sunnypsyop Yes, just for starters. But even those cultures are exceeded in precedence by even older ones. Apparently those who read the OT view its writings in the context of present day relevance, and not as to when they were written. For one thing, the seven day week is not necessarily a concept derived from the OT. Just because we have the writings of the OT, doesn't mean that there did not exist many years of human existence prior to the Hebrews. For one thing, the written text had barely been initiated at that time. Other ancient cultures had produced glyphs in stone well before the OT. Even Adam and Eve predate the OT by thousands of years. Holding to the concept of a young Earth is simply not plausible in view of all of the data and evidence to the contrary. For anyone to be so narrow in their views is the indication of a small, prejudiced mind, and one who is easily influenced. Nor does the belief in the scientific viewpoint negate the truth or validity of Religious texts.
Then you have understood nothing about who God is and what the incarnation means.
Thousand years in a Day
We're on our way to the second Sabbath
What a great take! This man is clearly quite honest and thinks for himself. I thought I would add this interesting take, though:
When God created Adam, how old was he?
He was less than one year old, right? But I imagine most of us picture God creating Adam as what appears to be a 20-30-year-old man fully matured. What keeps Christians from imagining the same thing for the universe? Perhaps the universe was created to appear 13+ billion years old but was truly created ~6-10,000 years ago.
And God stretched out the heavens , well .
@@patprr1756 I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I no longer agree with what I said here and think there are better explanations.
@@lyterman it's self explanatory.
@@patprr1756 Um...okay, it isn't to me, but if you think so.
How old is the universe? His answer- "It's old"
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MacArthur explains this very well, and it is so simple.
BlazingLove can you send me the link of MacArthur's material
Because Mcarthur is a stud
I go to MacArthur's church, and he is in fact a stud.
daiva pratyakshata vizag Sorry so late. GTY. Org You can find it there. Peace
One of your best videos, Frank
The universe is nearly 14 billion years old. I believe that God created it.
Makes more sense than "nothing" created it and randomness created life.
The creation account in Genesis 1 is not about the material origin of the cosmos. It's about God bringing order and function to a chaotic cosmos. It's only now in modern Western thought that we assume that the acount is about material/physical origins. The Bible including The ancient Israelites didn't care about where the material universe came from. It's purpose was to show that or God is a God of function and love, not chaos like the other middle Eastern cosmologies. A great book to help with this is "the lost world of Genesis 1" by John Walton.
HG6433 By your logic, that would mean that this ‘God’ is not the creator of the universe (which makes sense because it’s clear from text that before anything was was some sort of infinite, primordial sea Gen. 1:1-3). Therefore, if ‘God’ merely found the cosmos, then he isn’t much of a *all-powerful* deity. 🧐
Science does not clash with the Bible and creation.Its the interpretation of language used in the Bible.
The day argument is just not sensible. We know how long Adam lived. So we know how long it took him to name the animals. We’re not making assumptions.
We also know with God’s other miracles they were immediate. See you don’t need time or miracle grow, you just need him to perform a miracle for them to grow.
Disappointed in this answer
God said "I AM THAT I AM" to indicate his eternal presence in Exodus 3:14
To say that: He used the Hebrew word hâyâh (H1961 in the Stong's Concordance) twice.
Exact same word used in Genesis 1:2 to describe the state of the Earth
After the "in the beginning"
Before the "first day"
No,the bible said that. It also has talking snakes and donkeys.
I’ll disagree on the length of days. In Hebrew, when a day is numbered or mentioned in reference to a morning and evening, it is a 24 hour day. All seven days are referred to with numbers, and morning and evenings. It had to have been 24-hour days according to the rules of the Hebrew language.
The 1st day had no sun, no moon. Yet you think it was a 24h day?!
How do you prove that ?
@@PixelAine1 are you even sure of what you're saying?
Give me the Hebrew word for "day" that have NO OTHER MEANING but "24h", then I can be sure it was a 24h day.
@@loisirsentertainment5919 it is not the sun or the moon that makes it a day but the amount of time that pass, with or without the sun time will still be present, the Lord would still know when a day have been completed without them, he would then created the sun to fit into the day cycle.
@@endofdays7708
You can't even give a Bible verse to support your claim that God would make the sun fit a so-called cycle He already knew to be a 24h day. That's just your own interpretation.
Nobody knows how long the night and a day were before God made the sun...
Even in our modern times, days actually do not have the same length.
If for example you read the account of the Creation in other extra biblical books like the "Book of Jubilee" (and I am not trying to say that these books have the same divine authority as the Bible), it actually explains that when God told Adam: "the day you eat this fruit, you'll die", it meant Adam would die in the same millenium (period of 1000 years) he would eat that fruit, and that is a reason why Adam died before the age of 1000 years, just like every other man that lived on the face of the earth (having inherited the sinful nature from Adam).
Also, the Bible says, that a day in God's eyes is like 1000 years.
So nobody knows exactly how long the days of creation where.
It would be really pretentious to define a "day" the way we want it just to fit our own Bible interpretation.
@@loisirsentertainment5919 ok let us reason this out, you said: "So nobody knows exactly how long the days of creation where.
It would be really pretentious to define a "day" the way we want it just to fit our own Bible interpretation."
Genesis 2:1-3 KJV
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3]
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
here it said God completed his work on the seventh day, he did a few things to that day that he doesn't do to the others, he rested on this day, he bless it, he sanctified it.
now this is just one day out of the seven days, this day have the same length as the others, so lets see if mankind can tell how long this day is, is it the same 24 hour that we are now using.
Exodus 20:8-11 KJV
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Now here the children of Israel are given the sabbath day as the forth commandment.
Now compare Exodus 20:8-11 with Genesis 2:1-3 and you will see that this is the very same seventh day week cycle that God rested on.
Genesis 2:2-3 Exodus 20:10-11
He rested He rested
He bless He Bless
He sanctified (means Holy) He Hallowed
the people were required to work for six days and rest on the seventh, this sabbath (unlike other ceremonial sabbath) is the sabbath of God himself, he was the one who sanctified this day as the last day of the week. the day lasted 24 hours for the people, why would it last any longer for God? he was the one who told them how to keep it.
remember when manna fall from heaven, on the seventh day none fell, this lasted for 24 hours, but after wards it fell again on the first day up until the six (read the story in Exodus 16).
in conclusion, the same day of the week God rested, is the same day of the week he told the people to rest also, if it was more or less than 24 hours God would have guided the people in this manner, after all there are people who was punish when they did not obey to keep the sabbath.
The bible says , "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth ". God is telling what he did and then he tells you how he did it. The entire book of Genesis is written in this format. Everyone in the past knew that this was a literal 6 day creation and it wasn't until modern science came along that some are questioning it. The bible only has one meaning and it's blasphemous against God to think otherwise! God is literally telling you how powerful he is in Genesis chapter 1 and its heresy to try and blend it with evolution!
So often we want God to be a Magician where he says "Abra Cadabra" and everything comes out of thin air. But in reality God is an Architect and Construction Worker that makes things at the right time.
??? I thought your imaginary god had everything planned from the beginning?
@@ericbell940 bored troll today, are we?
@@dannymccarty344 Troll?
eric bell yes he did, but he took time and pride in creating the universe, yes, God is all powerful and all knowing, but he is also articulate and all thoughtful. And don’t hurl insults as the basis of your argument, this happens with every atheist I encounter. They do the cliche “Imaginary God” or “Sky Daddy” (even though God don’t in the sky lmao)
@@bighutto7875 well said, I couldn't have said it better.
Here’s the thing, if we’re the seventh day, the Israelites never had to keep the sabbath. God told them to honor the sabbath and rest since he did. If we’re still in the seventh day, so were they, which means the would have been forbidden from ever working. They did keep the seventh day holy, so there was a seventh day sabbath. So, the seventh day has past.
Just to clarify, I’m not a seventh day Adventist, just pointing out how Turke’s thoughts seem odd to me.
There is mention of the 8th day, of rest.
Think of it as dispensation of time 7th day is this age eight is the eternity
@@BillWilliams6544 on the day after the seventh ,the eighth God made Adam and eve,the seed line of Christ.
Christ became our Sabbath or Rest.
The idea of cosmic inflation is required to evade the conclusion that the universe is young, but cosmic inflation also makes it plausible that the universe is young. Cosmic inflation is the idea that the universe rapidly expanded in the first ten quintillionth fraction of a second of its existence. It helps "resolve" problems like the horizon and flatness problems, but if the universe expanded longer than ten quintillionth of a second, then the universe is nowhere near as old as people think it is. In fact, if the universe is assumed to have expanded at a different rate in the past than it's assumed to expand today, which is what cosmic inflation implies, then the old age assigned to the universe can't even be assumed to be an accurate estimation.
I've read some bits and pieces about some related ideas. The interesting ideas revolve around the fact that at the beginning of the Universe, all matter was packing into an extremely small area. Gravity would have been influencing this condensed matter and as a consequence, also effect the way time moved forward... Einstein predicts this through his work.
@@michaelwill7811 you seem to be speaking about the idea of initial singularity. Not only would the movement of time have been affected, but it wouldn't have moved at all. I think it was Einstein who pointed out that time moves slower if you stand near a large mass of matter, which leads to the idea that time doesn't move at all if all matter were infinitely condensed into a singularity. But if time didn't move at some point in the past, then nothing should've happened in the past. So, if we entertain the idea of an initial singularity and a following big bang, then we should ask why the event that led to the big bang happened at some point in the past if, instead, nothing should have happened for forever?
@@ourbulwarkisjesuschrist9435 If there wasn't a force causing matter to move outward from the singularity, yes indeed, things might have been forever fixed at that point. Since the universe is the way it is, one possible explanation is that the correct amount of force was applied to cause the outward expansion we see today. As a Christian, I know who "pulled that trigger". I am sure Naturalists have another "possible" explanation ;)
@@michaelwill7811 naturalists will forever adhere to self-defeating core values because it also makes no sense to assume that an outward pushing force originated at some point in the past while assuming that previously there wasn't such a force.
@@ourbulwarkisjesuschrist9435 To admit that there is a creator, is to tacitly admit that humans are responsible for what they have done with their lives. However, wishing away God isn't going to "get the job done", so to speak. And it is terribly sad to see people go their own way, but, it is *their* choice.
I've heard it said that the word "yom" is used for "day" in the Creation account, mainly because its the only Biblical word that can mean a literal 24-hour day. If the writers had intended to describe other spans of time, they would have used other words that mean various forms of "day".
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.
@Frank Turek, do you believe that there were millions of years of death in the animal kingdom before sin entered the world through Adam and Eve?
Andy Wrasman that's exactly where he's inaccurate! His whole line of arguement seems to start with bad theology about creation.
No, I don't believe
Of course. The fall pertained to mankind, not animals. Rom 5:12 says death came to all men. Check out Reasons to Believe. They have a great model of creation that matches the Bible and what we see in nature.
Jc Thomas if there were death for animals before the fall of man then God created a world full of suffering and death. It won’t be very good.
@@naturalLin Animal death in general is not bad. Psalm 104:19-28 tells us that God provides prey for the lions, and when God opens up his hand the lions are satisfied with "good". Same in Job 38:40 where it is God who provides food for carnivores. Herbivores and carnivores depend on each other. And again, the Bible says death came to all people because of the fall, not to all living creatures.
One of the challenges I haven't heard answer is, if God did use billions of years and evolution to create everything, then at what point to "man" become a moral being, and how/why were there just two of them in the Garden of Eden? Wouldn't there have been 10s of thousands of other demi-humans, Neanderthals, etc roaming around?
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Did God just decide then, about 10,000 years or so ago, "Two of these creatures have evolved enough to have achieved a degree of moral culpability, so now I am going to put them in this perfect Garden, halt all deaths of these newly designated 'human beings', give them speech and incredibly creative minds so they can talk to me, make clothing out of leaves (yes, this came later, but the skill/knowledge was there pre-fall into sin) and create a taxonomy of all animals, and then show them this tree and tell them not to touch it?"
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Futher, as the Bible says, "Death reigned since the time of Adam". If nothing on Earth died in the first 5-7 million years that science says humans have been around I would think the Earth would have been overpopulated with pre-humans. And as Jesus says, "But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female." Mark 10:6 speaking specifically of humans, and again Moses under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit writes in Exodus, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
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"From the beginning"...God made them (humans)...., "from the beginning" is when God also created the heavens and the earth. It would seem very odd to say people were around "from the beginning" if they had only just showed up in the most recent 10,000 years or so in a 13 Billion year old universe. Then adding in the issue of death starting with Adam and Eve, the massive mental leap it would take to go from a pre-human intelligence to a being in the homo sapiens species, and God selecting two pre-humans to become 'real' humans, and then introducing moral culpability into the world after 13 Billion years of nothing like that existing. There is nothing in Scripture to support this interpretation.
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I'm no linguistics expert, but the evolutionary "old earth" theory seems much harder to explain vs. the simpler truth that God, being all powerful and fully complete himself, made the universe and mankind in their present state of completeness. An all-powerful God can make a human being that for all intents and purposes appears to be 30 years old, but who in fact is only 1 second old. Why make the universe just to have it sit around for billions of years doing nothing but slowly evolving? I'm not saying that isn't how it happened, but there sure isn't much in Scripture that would lead us to believe that is the case, and in the absence of other evidence or reason to be skeptical about the meaning of the words, I'm staying with the literal interpretation.
God created the heavens (sky) and the earth in 6 days... God create the earth before its parent body the sun.. elephant in the room? No noticed
When god didnot create science he is ok, but god did create science. Please say one time i dont know!!!
Well done Frank , great answer given here.
God bless the inhabitants of the earth (however old it is) , to see that Jesus Christ is the creator
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Its a few thousand years old... according to the Bile, much science, and historical evidence.
Time is a man made concept.
God is a man made concept....
@@chitownagnostic7150 Do you believe in the big bang and evolution?
@BullseyeBullsclaw how do u prove that?
@BullseyeBullsclaw the bald assertions you made
@BullseyeBullsclaw the entire post that starts with "god isnt a concept"
Matthew 12:36, brother... also, research trans biotic organisms. Many organisms wouldn't have survived without the codependent organisms being created the following days. I recommend the book: In 6 Days.
It bothers me that so many people got up and walked out when he started giving his answer.
Evolution is a THEORY, but is taught as FACT, and that is where the problem begins!
What? That makes no sense what so ever! So if the days consisted of a light and a dark period and the laws of physics haven't changed, how can it be anything but 24 hours?
You do know that it's laws of physics that dictates the day and night to be 24 hours at the current distance to the sun with the current revolution speed. And since you recognise they haven't changed, how...?
The logical fallacy in strong in this dude.
It actually has changed the day billions of years ago was as short as 11 hours the moon every tide slows the revolution ever so slightly.
Who needs logic when you have faith? Avoid truth whenever you need to.
If we are going by the bible But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The earth is of old perpetual. .God was renewing the earth,not creating it. U can read of when He destroyed the first earth age in Jerimiah 4:24-28...verse 23 is the same as gen.1:2 and in the Hebrew it says the earth BECAME void and without form..God destroyed that age because of satans rebellion..
Same earth as now just a different age
@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670 I am not going by the bible.
@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670 Luckily I ignore the bible.
I personally believe the earth is young. Even if it isn’t 6,000 and some Christians disagree with me, the flood still occurs so it wouldn’t be as old as atheists claim due to all that was affected
Doesn't address the most glaring biblical problem, death before sin. (Romans 5)
Death entered man kind. Doesn't refer to animals
William Dembski answered this in the slightly technical book 'The end of Christianity'. Basically God is not constrained by time as 4 dimensional things are, therefore the sin of man can elicit a response that occurs before the man undertook the action. So God's introduction of death to the universe was as a result of, and preceding, man's rebellion.
@BullseyeBullsclaw this is addressed in C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity quite well
That whole speech was an assumption.
Exactly, he didn't say those are facts.
Yes an assumption. Faith is one too.
@@koolkat5217 just like your morality, an assumption. Nothing to back it up
@@ricknroll963 sorry have I offended you? Sorry. Can I ask why?all I've been doing is searching the net for universal opinions on the big bang
@@koolkat5217 he's not offended. It's a fact. Your morality is an assumption
So there was death and sickness (the wages of sin) before the fall (sin itself)?
Also: Isaiah 45:18 ... "the LORD, who created the heavens- He is God; He formed the earth and fashioned it; He established it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited."
Except for the first 4.6 billion years? (ie: 99% of its existence)?
I achally made a video on the gap theory and the day age theory. I enjoy questions like this
Link pls
I wish I had a lecturer like Frank 😢
Me too!!
In the beginning I baked a cake. The cake was without form and void and darkness was up on the face of the cake pan. My spirit soul and body hovered over a bowl with dry cake batter. I said to my daughter let me have an egg and some butter. I stirred until I had wet cake batter. I separated the cake batter from the bowl and placed it in the pan. I placed the pan in the oven and cooked it at 350 degrees for 50 minutes. I called it a cake. So the hour and a half was the first cake.
Here, read it without any forced literary gaps. And you won’t see a time gap.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
It looks like one day to me.
I believe Iit’s ignorant to read it any other way. You have to add to the words a lot of assumptions to make it longer than a day. You have to have secret scientific knowledge to make it say it was longer than a day. Sounds cultic to me.
Well, a better statement would be, "If the laws of physics we have are *accurate at that scale* and have not changed..." The question of whether they're accurate at that scale is by no means settled. Huge jumps in scale (both to smaller and larger) were the means by which inaccuracies in Newtonian physics were found, after all.
“The Bible tells us how to get to heaven
The Bible doesn’t tell us how the heavens go.”
Pope Leo Xlll
God has the power speak everything into existence!
Dr. Turek has mentioned that before. We know through the Bible record that the only moment God took time to create was when He created Adam
The Bible say God created the universe in 6 days in the 7th day He rested. Adam was created on the 6th day, counting the genealogy from adam to Jesus up to the present time is less than 10,000 years. The concept of time is determined by God. Man determined time based on Christ coming BC and AD. In the year of our Lord.
Why would a god have to rest? Silly rabbit...
Paul Bolton Accepting that our bodies and minds needs rest comes through spiritual growth. We’re but mere mortals after all.
Are you assuming that God rests in the same way we do, when someone says I rest my case, they stop talking, acting and taking action. God acted and created then he rested. Stoped. Seized.... i rest my case.
@@ralphsuny9382 I guess god used the wrong word..could have used the words you did but didn't. The word rested is used because the slaves were given a day of rest..the sabbath is a day of rest. That was the whole point to the writing and is clearly what humans do....not gods.
8bits Creeper 7 days were long epochs of time. So a Christian should well know that each day was not a literal 24 hour day. It’s young earth creationist who interpret the 7 days as literal. The earth and universe history go as far back as millions and billions of years old, whereas human history only goes back around thousands of years and not millions. If you trust the Bible account and the creation of our first parents Adam and Eve, After their fall one wouldn’t suppose that God has allowed millions of years after them for humans to become sophisticated enough to created weapons of mass destruction that would be capable of destroying all life on earth. Battles and wars are marked throughout history but has never gotten as destructive as modern warfare. God has allowed humans to rule themselves for a short time and soon after will intervene in human affairs.
I dont think this guy knows how hard he shifted the burden of proof by saying we're assuming physics worked in the past
Assumption are laid down as they are, no proof needed, only the understanding that all science based on those assumptions is conditional on the validity of what is being assumed
@@JR-nh7fc do you know what the null hypothesis and the burden of proof are?
@@freddiesimmons1394 I do know, but in case I may have misunderstood you, why do you think he is shifting the burden of proof?
Would I be wrong if I say that modern physics is based on the assumption that physical laws are and always have been constant everywhere in the Universe?
@@JR-nh7fc the null hypothesis would state that time wouldnt change the physical laws of the universe. One would need to demonstrate that isnt the case in order to not violate the burden of proof.
God could have created EVERYTHING in an instant.
He did not need 7 days.
He certainly didn't need billions of years!
He didn't use evolution to create the animals. He specifically TOLD us in his word how He did it!
He created the earth in 7 days to give us our work week. A shorter period of time than the month.
There is no reason, cosmologically, for a 7 day week.
This fellow never read Exodus 20:11?
What's the context and literary style of that verse?
The context is God Himself speaking the Ten Commandments. The literary style is straightforward narrative.
rdrift1879 I mean is it historical narrative, apocalyptic literature, poetry, fantasy etc.?
I have never heard of the "straightforward narrative" literary style.
rdrift1879 Also, to whom is God speaking?
rdrift1879
That verse refers to the Creation Story so here's some info on that.
First, we need to establish a basis and an understanding for the Creation Story.
*First day*:
God says let there be light.
*Fourth day*:
God creates the stars and moons.
*Second day*:
God creates the oceans and the sky.
*Fifth day:*
God fills the ocean with marine animals and the sky with avian animals.
*Third day*:
God creates land.
*Sixth day*:
God creates land creature: beasts and humans.
Look at that parallelism; Hebrew poetry was not necessarily "hot", "spot", "shot", "rot". Hebrews did poetry mainly by parallelism; parallel ideas; introduce ideas "A", "B", "C" then augment ideas "A", "B", "C". Notice also the repetition of two phrases; "And God said" and "and God saw that it was good". If you can't pick up on those patterns, come one man, reread it.
The greater evidence is that Genesis 1's literary style (at least the creation story) is Hebrew poetry.
Most Christians belief that the world is young because some well-meaning Christians in the U.S. in the early days took all the genealogies and did the math and came to "the world is young".
But the are basic flaws with their calculations and presuppositions are as follows:
1. There are known gaps in those geologies.
2. The Hebrew word for "son" ("ben") can mean also descendant of: "Jesus, who is the son of King David, who was the son of Father Abraham, who was the son of Adam"; any well versed Jew knows that Jesus was not the immediate son of King David who was not the immediate son of Father Abraham who was not the immediate son of Adam.
Also notice day 4
“14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and *let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years*:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so."
Even the bible admits that man's knowledge of tracking time is based upon the sun and stars. Our knowledge of tracking days is based upon Earth's position relative to the sun.
So regardless of your age of the Earth stance (old or young) until day 4, you don't have a basis for tracking time.
Again take notice again that the creation story's literary style is Hebrew poetry, so it would be intellectually dishonest for you or I to go to the Creation Story with stopwatch; it's not a scientific description of how God created the World.
When apologetics is fair and Biblically sound. Thank you sir
Apologetics is trash. Yes I am trolling.The purported biblical foundation for apologetics as a Christian discipline is 1 Peter 3:15 "...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" However if kept in context with the rest of the passage it is plain that convincing speeches are clearly not what is meant rather displaying the qualities and character of Christ. The bible needs neither external explanation nor justification, anyone who thinks it does, does not know enough of God's Word nor does he obey it. Not to mention that I've never heard a person ask an apologist the reason for the hope they have in the Christian Faith, rather a bunch of silly contentious questions which Christians are warned not to entangle themselves with:
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
2 Timothy
2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
I could go on but if this isn't enough what more could make a difference?
Its a 24hr day with an evening and a morning...christtians love to twist their scriptures to say anything...that's why so many denominations and confusion exist...so god is the author of confusion
@@truesoundboy1 did you pay attention in the video? What does the Bible say in the very first verse. In the beginning. This verse never contradicts what is verified in science as the age of the earth. There is no confusion with God. The only one causing confusion is Satan who the Bible calls father of all lies. Many people are still subjected to lies because of him. This goes with false religions who spew lies about God. But there is only one true religion. the days of genesis were each extended long periods of time. God has the power to bring everything into existence with a word yet he created the universe and earth in the most naturalistic way. Trees for example do not grow fast. They take many years. So true Christians are not young earth creationist.
@@juniorsir9521 evening and morning was the first day...but I guess you could interpret the bible in whatever way you want...such is the bible...why cant a straightforward read yield what the text says...why is Christianity the one true religion...if you were born elsewhere...you may have been defending another religion...
@@truesoundboy1 Christianity in general is not the one true religion. There is only one true religion and it happens to be within Christianity. Why Christianity is true over other religions like say Buddhism Judaism ect? Or better yet, why is Christianity the only place to look for when it comes to truth and God? Because the one book they use is the Bible. The Bible contains not just human history it’s origins but everything it teaches is in tune with what we see and observe today. on scientific matters, it is accurate historical it is also accurate. It speaks of laws found in nature. The water cycle condensation evaporation of water and coming down as rain returning to rivers and oceans. It talks about proper hygiene practices using running water. The shape of the earth being round and hanging over nothing. Historically, the Bible talks about actual locations. For example many would try to dismiss the garden of eden as myth of fantasy. Yet the Bible speaks of it having four great rivers passing through it. Two of which still exist today. God condemned two sinful cities of the past known as Sodom and Gomorrah. Today we have evidence of existing ancient cities with high levels of sulphur deposit. Sulphur is in fact rare yet there are great amounts of it in this region where the cities once stood. then there’s the Bible’s prophecies regarding the great city of Babylon. Centuries earlier it predicted not only the fall of Babylon but also the name of the conqueror and how he and his military would go about doing it. 200 years later this very thing happened. We know no man could have predicted those descriptions in any way not accurately. Babylon as the Bible foretold would remain ruins and desolate uninhabitable. Even modern attempts today to rebuild it were futile. A dictator even tried but failed. The Bible predicted it would have been completely desolate. It is even to this day. You can find the ruins in modern day Iraq. the Bible made many predictions many of which came true others that are yet to come. We know that according to Jesus the new inheritance would be with true Christians. Jews were once Gods people but they lost all favor with the almighty. This was all foretold would happen as the Bible says Jesus would be rejected hated and killed hundreds of years before happening. Which is why Judaism cannot be true. You can easily dismiss any other religion. But it isn’t all Christianity. It’s one religion out of thousands that teach the truth. The whole truth not just of God but of life. It takes sincere hearts to find it. In fact the truth is accessible to all people of the earth. It usually comes to you. Some people however reject it or want nothing to do with it. Yes Jesus himself said this means everlasting life that they’re taking in accurate knowledge of truth of the father and his son.
Best explanation of days that I’ve heard
When I was really young I thought Jesus would come back in my lifetime. But what I believe is Jesus will come back in all are life times how I don’t know, time is relitive I guess.
Franky Vielle wow your kinda blowing my mind
@@SunShine-oe4rt me too lol
Diego Baquerizo hehehe
Matthew 24:30-32 Learn the lesson from the fig tree.
Out of interest, time can be varied with changes in gravity, and so consider starlight through space, if the light passes through a 'gravity well' or some other anomaly, the time it takes to reach us, relative to us, can be different to the simple equation of distance divided by speed. Another variable to consider, were the stars always the same ridonkulous distance from us as they are now (relatively speaking)? As God created he stretched out the heavens...
Spot on. Must know your stuff
Helpful. I have come to view the universe as likely old, but not necessarily so, and creation on earth(I.e. life) as young. But like he says, its not a reason to divide Christians on.
Personally, as we know at beginning of all creation, there were no laws of chemistry or physics so by definition they changed from nothing to something. There is in big bang theory the inflationary period, which requires all laws to be constantly changing, as I understand. Thus its reasonable to argue universal physics laws did change during the forming and expansion of universe and hence a younger universe than billions.
Also last centuries measurements of light speed indicate a slowing down. Not all scientists agree on that data trend but it is something interesting to note.
The universe is old.... about 6,000 years!
Agree I talk about the age of the earth alot. 6,000 is a long time. Abraham Lincoln wasn't even president 250 years ago
The creation and forming of the heavens and earth took six 'evening and the morning' days. At least this is what we are told in Genesis 2:2-4.
It's very important that Christians follow what the Bible says, that Thea earth is young. DNA would be broken apart, we would be so mutated if it were millions of years old. That's only genetics. If you truly believe everything the Bible says, then the earth is young, at least 6,000 years old, and there is much evidence (scientific, but also historical) to prove it is. I'm sad that he thinks the earth is old. The star light is an issue for even the atheists (trillions of light years) suggesting that more than a constant speed for star light had happened. God could also have just created the stars with light already here. The days are also literal. It only took Adam a few hours to name the animals, looking at each "kind" and excluding the ones without "the breath of life". He didn't name all the insects. He didn't go "cow, ox". Because they were are from the same kind. He didn't go "lion, panther". He went, "cat", because there were only 2 cats with all the genetic information for what we have today and the DNA of the animals that were wiped out during the flood.
You speak a lot of error if you look at the first day of the week Sunday it says from evening to evening was a day that's 24 hours the third the second the fourth
they all have an evening to evening the only day that doesn't have an evening to evening is the Saturday the seventh day of the
week that is because God
Ceased his work
And rested on that day God has not stopped creating he will create again when he makes the earth and the heavens new Revelations
Why would an omnipotent being need to rest?
It is not important for people to know.God is going to tell us if we get the destiny of our salvation.Keep working to deserve the presence of the Creator.Praise the Lord.
Do birth records and genealogies go back to Adam?
Honestly it seems sort of impossible to trace something so long ago. I’m not sure how that is done, but a fascinating query. Ever find out anything on the topic? I noticed this is more of an older comment
This frank Turek has some wonderful arguments until he falls in the trap with the gap!
The Religion Of Materialism has a gap too...if you're an acolyte, you're unwittingly in the same club as Mr Turek...
It seems Frank is justifing his stance in 2 ways. 1.) He is placing the laws of logic over the authority of scripture, and 2.) He is forced to assume in the Gap Theory because if he didnt it would change the laws of logic (which are unchangable).
So is Frank placing logic over God, because that is what he uses to prove God?
God doesnt need help proving Himself, its ebident in creation, which the Word says happened in 6 litteral days. Our God works miricles. What reason do you have to question Gods word and read into the text?
Ummm, Jesus said my Father is always at work. Not resting in some infinite 7 day theory and resting for God is not the same as our resting
God can make the plants instantly grow he doesn't have to wait the natural cycle you're confusing the word and trying to make it work for science it doesn't work that way. You have to take the bible literally.
Love this channel.
Thank you brother
Its a 24hr day with an evening and a morning...christtians love to twist their scriptures to say anything...that's why so many denominations and confusion exist...so god is the author of confusion
If you believe that all God accomplished on the first day was to create light, and separate it from the darkness that already existed, and called the light day and the darkness he called night, and the evening and the morning were the first day, that makes no sense.
Genesis 2:1-2 says Thus the heavens and the earth were finished - included in the six days - and on the seventh day he ended his work which he ha made. And God rested on the seventh day.
It is therefore easy to conclude that God made the heaven and the earth and the fullness thereof in six days.
Moreover, the evening and the morning have been the span of a day since the beginning. Grace and Peace.
I thank God for man like frank turek..God bless you sir..
I reconcile the differing data from the Bible and science concerning the age of the Earth by referring to the first recorded miracle Jesus performed. 6 jugs of water became 6 jugs of wine in an instant. If you had access to scientific technology at the time and studied that miraculous wine you could discern the types of grapes (matter) and the length of fermentation (time). Possibly there would be theories supported by the scientific method applied to this wine as to which Vineyard the grapes came from and what methods of fermentation were used. Yet Jesus, fully God and fully man, made 6 jugs of wine out of 6 jugs of water. This is why I have faith that the creation of the universe and the Earth therein miraculously occurred in 6 days while the scientific observations seem to say otherwise.
Also Frank if there was death before Adam then how could of what God created be Good.
Well, first off you're going by your assumption of his meaning of "good" being precisely that there is no physical death on the Earth, which is odd to suggest because animal death is a necessity for the functioning of ecosystems and not to mention fossil fuels from physical death of animals over the course of a long period of time, which have been necessary for human achievement up until now. God, knowing in advance Adam would sin, would have prepared the way in manners like these. Animals don't have souls, they aren't capable of sin. If the wages of sin is death but animals can't sin, then the death it's referring too that displeases God must be referring to spiritual death. His words are not our words and His thoughts are not our thoughts, but the evidence is pretty clear there has been animal death and carnivorous behavior for some time (a very long time), and the God I worship isn't a God of confusion nor would have made it look different then so to deceive us.
@@fallen1world294 why would God call what He created good and then at the end very good on the 6th day. He breathed His Holy breath into all life. How could that very good include death?
Did not the Lord Jesus Christ offer His life on the cross and die an excruciating death. Did He not rise again in 3 days. And just what did He do in those three days? He defeated Death. The victory over Death was to overcome how All of Creation Fell in the Garden. And restore the relationship that was lost in that Garden due to Death.
For me, Genesis 1 describes the formation of the solar system and earth. So 1 celestial day equals around 1 billion years since God is not constrained by 3-dimensional space-time.
Please read exodus 20:11. “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” So heaven and earth is included. No long period of time or gaps. And even Jesus quotes Genesis, and I don’t think Jesus was a liar. Still young earth.
"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Doesn't get much clearer then that. "Evening and the morning were the first day". "Evening and morning". Sun down, sun up. Was that a "spiritual" evening and morning, or a literal evening and morning? No doubt it was a 7 day, 168 hour time frame. How could it be anything else? "Were the first DAY". Pretty straight forward!
It is just so crazy how he uses the semantics to try to muddle the issue. In Genesis 1,
God uses the word day and then explains what he meant by day by telling us that there was evening and morning and that was the first day, second day, and so on. If they were extremely long days the world would have fried on one side and frozen on the other. It seems impossible to the point of absurd to think that the author meant anything other than a normal 24 hour day. When you judge the meaning by Occam's Razor it would clearly point to a normal day.
I personally think God did everything in 7 days (6 days technically but you know what I mean).
I don't follow the whole "days meant something different from God" argument when the bible makes a point of noting the "evening and the morning".
That said, still respect Frank. He's a cool guy.
I agree! listen to John MacArthur's teachings on creation
Raul Torres People don’t want to accept the facts that the earth is young. He avoids it because he doesn’t want to get insulted.
Benjamin Poole have you read the Bible, it states a day in God's eyes is like a thousand in ours
Gene Cason it does but read Genesis. It is clear that it was a normal day.
Frank, you're great for the Kingdom, but wrong on this, and yes I've studied this to a very rare level/depth... Still love ya though, God Bless.
Well don’t keep us on our toes, what’s wrong and what’s right instead?
There is nothing to study
The Bible is too vague
Eric Smyth oh okay must be wrong then.. is that case closed?
@@Samson2030 i think so
Eric Smyth yeah sure mate. it’s extremely specific, people like yourself just mentally deconstruct it and then reconstruct it to fit their desires
‘This is a debate among Christians’…….well it shouldn’t be. The Earth IS 13.8 billion years old.
Lol, Turek response is: when the Bible mentions a day in genesis, it’s not clear it means an actual day.
Why does your god have so much trouble communicating?
@@ericbell940 why do you focus on denying a God you don't believe in? :The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"
@@lukeswain1752 Because of all the harm religion does. Quote from the bible wont get you to far.
@@lukeswain1752 Because of all the damage religion causes.
@@ericbell940 If you take the time of hating God , why not learn about God?
Read the bible ! There's answers there for you.
The perfect argument
I like the old universe but young mankind view like Steven Meyer holds. However, I do believe in a young earth. Why couldn't God create the earth already in its fully mature state? Then it would look older when studied. I do not think that those who hold either view should make it a salvation issue or let it divide the body of Christ
I think apparently distant starlight is a major reason why I'm currently unsure of holding to a YEC view. There are plenty of views regarding the age of creation, so it doesn't seem so bleak to me. Though, I agree that a YEC view might seem to have much scriptural support, whereas an alternative view might seem to have less support (or basically no support at all).
Jimmy Gray Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’"
I talk about the age of the earth as well.
Let me know when you find in the bible the exact age of earth. There's no information about it at all.
When someone bases the age of the universe on starlight, assumptions are being made.
One assumption is that light given off by the farthest star has traveled across the universe to the point we are able to see it.
A crude formula would be something like:
Age of universe = "Distance across universe" divided by "speed of light"
(time = distance ÷ speed)
Since there are no humans that were known to have been alive at the beginning of the universe AND wrote down what they saw (giving us an eye witness account), it is an assumption that light *HAS* traveled across the universe.
One counter is "What if the universe was created with initial conditions where starlight was already visible across the universe?"
Assumptions are being made here as well but the main point is, no one knows for sure.
Old Earth is simply impossible because if creatures kept breeding at even the most conservative of rates for just thousands, let alone tens of millions of years, the planet would be covered in a literal sea of plants and animals. What about Adam naming all the animals, one may ask? Simple, really, our understanding of species simply isn't how Biblical taxonomy works, all the different species of beetles would just be a single kind, ditto rats, ants, etc. There's also the issue of plants somehow surviving eons without sunlight if the days weren't literal days. All of this said, the Earth itself, that is the ball of rock and metal, could indeed be immensely old because it wasn't part of the Genesis Week, as attested by God hovering over its waters prior to Genesis Week. On a related note, a literal Genesis Week doesn't even necessarily contradict the fact that the Big Bang happened and the rest of the universe beyond Earth is old, because as you expand space you also expand time because they're fundamentally the same thing: to put it another way, when the Firmament was filled with Light and later on expanded to create outer space, physics could have easily taken place within that expanded space as per usual, resulting in the formation of matter, first generation stars, planets, later generation stars, and so on.