Never ceases to amaze me that just changing a certain projectile and adding + or minus 1 grain of the same powder can make such a significant difference.
The groups are really nice from this rifle. 100 gr bullet can be versatile. As long as the bullet is tough enough, even smaller deer and antelope can be hunted with a 100 grain 6.5 dia bullet. At 1st everyone loved the 6.5 Creedmoor I think because it was new, low recoil but still flat shooting and now there's all this hate that I have trouble understanding. It's a great medium sized cartridge that does well with varmints & deer and maybe a bit more. The 243 was introduced to do the same but in my opinion the 6.5 Creedmoor fill the bill even better,
Excellent points that you make. It is simple for me, "Just shoot what you shoot the best and match the bullet size with proper construction for the size of the game you intend to hunt." Thanks for watching.
I am still subscribed. I always look forward to your videos and often go back and watch the old ones. I agree with you on the 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a great round.
The ELD-M with a little more powder. Hornady max is well known to be on the low side. From what I've heard their max is often based on the group size they got out of their barrel, not necessarily on pressure Precision always wins out over chrono numbers at that distance. At 400 yards a low SD will have little measurable difference. I would rather have small consistent groups than low SD until shooting at 600 yards and further, that's when SD starts to matter.
All were within Minute of Coyote. I do not have any hand loading setup, but I use my 6.5CM for varmint bunting as well and stick with tbe lighter for caliber rounds. Federal loads a 95 grain Hornady VMax rated at 3300 ft/sec. Last weekend I had it out on Federal land so I had to use copper projectiles and they were 125 grains rated 2850. And the wide open grassland distances were several hundred to thousand+ yards before woods line or water. Unfortunately didn't see anything to try those rounds on. And that's the grain weight I've stuck with for the 6.5CM -- 95 to 125gn. I think the "hate" or more likely disappointment comes from using 140+ grain ammo for deer hunting, and the velocities just aren't there compared to many other standard cartridges with even heavier bullets. Also the fact is 6.5CM was developed as a longer range target round. So, part of it is a mental comparison to expectations. But also stories of Texas Hunting Outfits that have seen their paying customers just wound too many deer with 6.5CM. They'd prefer customers use 243 even, or 6.5PRC or RPM. They might know best from personal witness of so many customer hunts. I tend to believe them. I do like these high BC rounds in the 6.5CM for varmint hunting though. You're so correct about the distance coverage.
Lack of actual field practice with the right projectile placed in the right spot and matched to the terrain and distance capabilities of the cartridge is a bigger reason for game wounding. Sorta like going into a football game without a helmet. HaHa!
Like your crayon analogy!! I shoot a 260 Rem. It is a Savage with a Shilen drop in. I ran 50 rounds when it was a Creedmoor and swapped it out to the 260. I wanted more velocity and that factory Savage 12fv barrel was less than desirable.. Your rifle is shooting pretty good with those lighter bullets in the Creedmoor. In my rifle when i tried the 95gr vmax i was impressed with velocites i was getting even below max charges and absolutely no pressure issues even at 3500fps plus. I moly coat my bullets though. At 200 yards with three different powders, 95gr vmax W760 46.5 gr, 45.5gr R17 46.5 gr, seated at .020 w760, and .030 off the lands h380 and r17 produced 1.27, 1.15, and 1.3 inch, 5 rounds to the group respectively at 3434 fps es69 3452 fps 41 es and 3442 fps 41 es all with R P brass and 9 1/2 primers. That is why i like the 260 over the 6.5. On the 105gr Blitzkings moly coated using 49.0gr of Ramshot Hunter at .010, .020 and .030 on a 70° slightly windy i was impressed as it was producing extreme spreads of 15 fps at 3180fps average with the best group of 1.25 at 200 yds. Jumping up to 49.5grs, .030 off the lands gave me a .980 group at 200 yards. Verified it another day at 60° this past week with another 50 rounds at .010 off the lands, 49.0gr Hunter, was amazed at 15 10fps es, 3134 fps and 1.14 to 1.57 inch, 6 - 5 shot groups at 200 yards. I am afraid to change anything in that combo! Lol... That rifle now has 350 rounds through it. Another bullet i am playing with is a 120gr hpbt PPU because it is "inexpensive". Using it to fireform to 260AI with good results but still "tweeking" it. Thanks for the great video and analysis. I appreciate it. When i talked with Hornady a while ago about the 95 gr vmaxs in the Creedmoor they were leaning heavily on using R15. Might to give that a try if you can find some.
Dave, I would play with seating depth on your top Nosler load. However, if you are low on bullets, it does not leave much for testing. Great video because I am looking to do the same for some coyote rounds.
Morning Dave. Great shooting. I had my 20” Bear Creek 6.5 Grendel Upper out shooting the other day. Love it. Believe you have the same Upper. She cuts very tight groups @ 100 yds using the 123gr Hornaday ELD Match with H335 Powder.
Holy smokes! Thats a screamer. I'm waiting for some warmer weather up here in WI so i can go try out the loads i worked up with 100gr Barnes TTSX in 6.5 Grendel. Hope to see 2800 fps or better. Nice work and God bless ya brother.
Excellent data on the 6.5 Creedmoor w/100 gr. Have you tried the 95 gr from Hornady or Federal?? I use them and have great groups. Take care, God bless and see you next time!
I have a 260 Remington I had built on a 98 Mauser action. The barrel I had installed is an Adams and Bennet supposedly air gauged it doesn't shoot heavy bullets too good so I did lots of load development with lighter bullets. It showed a liking for 95 grain V Max and 100 grain Sierra Varmint bullets. I put it aside and even tried selling it I just wasn't pleased with it I blame the barrel it heats up fast even though it is fairly heavy. I had another one built with a bull barrel however I never shot it I sold it to a friend of mine and he was a meat hunter. Once he sighted it in he hardly ever shot paper and I loaded all of his ammunition. He only shot 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips no other ammunition ever. He never had any complaints. I still have the .260 I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor two years ago and it shoots just about everything as good or better than the .260 on the average better accuracy. It's a Savage Magpul Hunter with a fast twist 18.5" barrel so I can't quite get the velocities a 24 or longer will produce. Currently the Creedmoor 95 and 100 grain loads I have loaded are under max book load and I have them loaded to just over 3000 fps. They are easy on the shoulder and very accurate I doubt a varmint would care if it was blasted with a 3000 fps bullet or a 3200 fps one. They would probably have a better chance of a miss at 400 yards though I haven't tried that in a while anyway. Even my old 96 Swedish Mauser will shoot light bullets I think its barrel is a 1:7.5" twist or something close to that. It shoots just about anything up to 156 grain not what I would call a target rifle but it gets the job done and it's over 100 years old. Thanks for the video I am going to see about getting some 100 grain Nosler BT's for my Creedmoor I have some 95 grain 6mm I need to try in my .243.
That’s some really good shooting Dave! I know Bergara makes some really good rifles. That seems to be the case here. I choose accuracy over velocity any day. But, then again, I’m not a long range shooter.
Yes, it is a fine line to obtain cartridge precision (Velocity, Low SD's and ES's) But as a hunter when afield where no bench is available my expectations of accuracy is limited to extending MPBR bullet drop. That is where speed is your friend. I enjoy your videos very much.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thank you, Dave. I hadn’t even considered that, not being a hunter myself. Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate your content and all you provide. You are an excellent marksman .
Not sure if you are willing to or not, but it looks like you may be able to run those Hornady's to the Nosler level. Seems like the ES and SD numbers of the Hornady are just coming to the next node on your max charge. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
Good idea. I generally try to stay below the bullet makers Max suggestions. Lots of people would try to push the envelope. Hornady's tested overall length was much shorter than Nosler tested suggested overall length by 35 thousands. This suggest to me the bullet profiles are quite a bit different.
Personally, i would use the Hornady one that grouped .275" and an fps of 3082! A small varmint and YOURSELF won't notice any impact difference between 3082 fps and 3200 fps. The varmint for sure won't care.....lol! its more mental than anything. I saw you got really excited with the speed of the Noslers but not so excited with Hornady's small groups BUT SLOWER SPEED! Both speeds are gonna vaporize any varmint. Just My Opinion. Good video and great accuracy with all loads to be honest.
But the 100gr hornaday smokes the competition in BC compared to any 100gr 6.5 so the 100fps is no longer and issue go with the Hornaday at 3082fps and small group all day at 200 yards plus it's the same as the rest at 3200 hornaday smokes every thing they made all the new successful cartridges and they have the most money for R&D noslar hasn't changed a dam thing in bullets for decades and they cost a fortune for they're ammo or bullets hornaday all the way
I'd go with the Nosler with the 3216fps and tweak it a little bit on bullet seating depth or maybe a .03-.04 tenth of a grain less. Hornady is notoriously known for being conservative on their reloading data.
Try the Hornady 100gr ELD-VT WITH 41.3 gr Hodgdon Varget…Now you are talking varmint with 6.5 Creedmoor Muzzle velocity 3530 with .3 - .5 MOA AT 100 yds. You will love it. No pressure. I saw pressure at 3640fps. IMR 4064 powder worked well at the same powder charge with 3400 fps muzzle velocity 😊😊😊😊😊
Ooh screamin mimi loads!!!
OOH not such a screamer. As long as they is accurate!
Never ceases to amaze me that just changing a certain projectile and adding + or minus 1 grain of the same powder can make such a significant difference.
The groups are really nice from this rifle. 100 gr bullet can be versatile. As long as the bullet is tough enough, even smaller deer and antelope can be hunted with a 100 grain 6.5 dia bullet.
At 1st everyone loved the 6.5 Creedmoor I think because it was new, low recoil but still flat shooting and now there's all this hate that I have trouble understanding. It's a great medium sized cartridge that does well with varmints & deer and maybe a bit more. The 243 was introduced to do the same but in my opinion the 6.5 Creedmoor fill the bill even better,
Excellent points that you make. It is simple for me, "Just shoot what you shoot the best and match the bullet size with proper construction for the size of the game you intend to hunt." Thanks for watching.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 In a nutshell that is it. A very capable/flexible cartridge
G'day Dave.
Great to see you getting good, sharp velocity and groups with Varget powder mate. Made here in Australia and we love it.
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
I am still subscribed. I always look forward to your videos and often go back and watch the old ones. I agree with you on the 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a great round.
Thanks for checking back.
The ELD-M with a little more powder. Hornady max is well known to be on the low side. From what I've heard their max is often based on the group size they got out of their barrel, not necessarily on pressure Precision always wins out over chrono numbers at that distance. At 400 yards a low SD will have little measurable difference. I would rather have small consistent groups than low SD until shooting at 600 yards and further, that's when SD starts to matter.
Hornady recently had a podcast with their Senior cartridge technician, who addressed what you wrote here. Thanks for your input.
All were within Minute of Coyote. I do not have any hand loading setup, but I use my 6.5CM for varmint bunting as well and stick with tbe lighter for caliber rounds. Federal loads a 95 grain Hornady VMax rated at 3300 ft/sec. Last weekend I had it out on Federal land so I had to use copper projectiles and they were 125 grains rated 2850. And the wide open grassland distances were several hundred to thousand+ yards before woods line or water. Unfortunately didn't see anything to try those rounds on.
And that's the grain weight I've stuck with for the 6.5CM -- 95 to 125gn. I think the "hate" or more likely disappointment comes from using 140+ grain ammo for deer hunting, and the velocities just aren't there compared to many other standard cartridges with even heavier bullets. Also the fact is 6.5CM was developed as a longer range target round. So, part of it is a mental comparison to expectations. But also stories of Texas Hunting Outfits that have seen their paying customers just wound too many deer with 6.5CM. They'd prefer customers use 243 even, or 6.5PRC or RPM. They might know best from personal witness of so many customer hunts. I tend to believe them.
I do like these high BC rounds in the 6.5CM for varmint hunting though. You're so correct about the distance coverage.
Lack of actual field practice with the right projectile placed in the right spot and matched to the terrain and distance capabilities of the cartridge is a bigger reason for game wounding. Sorta like going into a football game without a helmet. HaHa!
Dave. Another good video of shooting and bullet comparison. Looks like you are about where you want to be. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks Bobcat.
Like your crayon analogy!! I shoot a 260 Rem. It is a Savage with a Shilen drop in. I ran 50 rounds when it was a Creedmoor and swapped it out to the 260. I wanted more velocity and that factory Savage 12fv barrel was less than desirable..
Your rifle is shooting pretty good with those lighter bullets in the Creedmoor.
In my rifle when i tried the 95gr vmax i was impressed with velocites i was getting even below max charges and absolutely no pressure issues even at 3500fps plus. I moly coat my bullets though.
At 200 yards with three different powders, 95gr vmax W760 46.5 gr, 45.5gr R17 46.5 gr, seated at .020 w760, and .030 off the lands h380 and r17 produced 1.27, 1.15, and 1.3 inch, 5 rounds to the group respectively at 3434 fps es69 3452 fps 41 es and 3442 fps 41 es all with R P brass and 9 1/2 primers. That is why i like the 260 over the 6.5.
On the 105gr Blitzkings moly coated using 49.0gr of Ramshot Hunter at .010, .020 and .030 on a 70° slightly windy i was impressed as it was producing extreme spreads of 15 fps at 3180fps average with the best group of 1.25 at 200 yds. Jumping up to 49.5grs, .030 off the lands gave me a .980 group at 200 yards. Verified it another day at 60° this past week with another 50 rounds at .010 off the lands, 49.0gr Hunter, was amazed at 15 10fps es, 3134 fps and 1.14 to 1.57 inch, 6 - 5 shot groups at 200 yards. I am afraid to change anything in that combo! Lol... That rifle now has 350 rounds through it.
Another bullet i am playing with is a 120gr hpbt PPU because it is "inexpensive". Using it to fireform to 260AI with good results but still "tweeking" it.
Thanks for the great video and analysis. I appreciate it.
When i talked with Hornady a while ago about the 95 gr vmaxs in the Creedmoor they were leaning heavily on using R15. Might to give that a try if you can find some.
Thanks for sharing your experiences here and for watching.
Dave, I would play with seating depth on your top Nosler load. However, if you are low on bullets, it does not leave much for testing. Great video because I am looking to do the same for some coyote rounds.
Yeah maybe if I can buy more Nosler's someday. Thanks for watching.
Hello Dave! Good shooting and good load data as usual. I always enjoy your presentation. Please keep up the good work, thank you!!!!
Thanks for the kind words and for watching. Much appreciated.
More great information. Thanks Dave 👍
Thanks. I Enjoyed watching your "Cowboy Up' video today.
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Lol, thanks Dave.
Good Morning my friend nice work ups haven't gone to 100 grain in my 6.5 yet only a 140 so far. Seemed to like that Nosler a good bit
Thanks for your comment here and for watching also.
Morning Dave. Great shooting. I had my 20” Bear Creek 6.5 Grendel Upper out shooting the other day. Love it. Believe you have the same Upper. She cuts very tight groups @ 100 yds using the 123gr Hornaday ELD Match with H335 Powder.
Glad you found a good rifle/cartridge combo for your needs. Very satisfying when everything comes together well, indeed.
Holy smokes! Thats a screamer. I'm waiting for some warmer weather up here in WI so i can go try out the loads i worked up with 100gr Barnes TTSX in 6.5 Grendel. Hope to see 2800 fps or better. Nice work and God bless ya brother.
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
Excellent data on the 6.5 Creedmoor w/100 gr. Have you tried the 95 gr from Hornady or Federal?? I use them and have great groups. Take care, God bless and see you next time!
No I have not tried the 95gn factory offerings. Glad that you have great success though.
@7:03 Had to watch that shot twice!
Thanks for watching, twice. Appreciated that.
great groups on all! Great shooting Dave! Some very promising loads there
Yes, but speed for varmint hunting was obtained only near max loads. I prefer to be safe then sorry for sure.
I have a 260 Remington I had built on a 98 Mauser action. The barrel I had installed is an Adams and Bennet supposedly air gauged it doesn't shoot heavy bullets too good so I did lots of load development with lighter bullets. It showed a liking for 95 grain V Max and 100 grain Sierra Varmint bullets. I put it aside and even tried selling it I just wasn't pleased with it I blame the barrel it heats up fast even though it is fairly heavy. I had another one built with a bull barrel however I never shot it I sold it to a friend of mine and he was a meat hunter. Once he sighted it in he hardly ever shot paper and I loaded all of his ammunition. He only shot 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips no other ammunition ever. He never had any complaints. I still have the .260 I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor two years ago and it shoots just about everything as good or better than the .260 on the average better accuracy. It's a Savage Magpul Hunter with a fast twist 18.5" barrel so I can't quite get the velocities a 24 or longer will produce. Currently the Creedmoor 95 and 100 grain loads I have loaded are under max book load and I have them loaded to just over 3000 fps. They are easy on the shoulder and very accurate I doubt a varmint would care if it was blasted with a 3000 fps bullet or a 3200 fps one. They would probably have a better chance of a miss at 400 yards though I haven't tried that in a while anyway. Even my old 96 Swedish Mauser will shoot light bullets I think its barrel is a 1:7.5" twist or something close to that. It shoots just about anything up to 156 grain not what I would call a target rifle but it gets the job done and it's over 100 years old. Thanks for the video I am going to see about getting some 100 grain Nosler BT's for my Creedmoor I have some 95 grain 6mm I need to try in my .243.
Sounds like you have some great rifles and tons of experience. Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
That’s some really good shooting Dave! I know Bergara makes some really good rifles. That seems to be the case here. I choose accuracy over velocity any day. But, then again, I’m not a long range shooter.
Yes, it is a fine line to obtain cartridge precision (Velocity, Low SD's and ES's) But as a hunter when afield where no bench is available my expectations of accuracy is limited to extending MPBR bullet drop. That is where speed is your friend. I enjoy your videos very much.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thank you, Dave. I hadn’t even considered that, not being a hunter myself. Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate your content and all you provide. You are an excellent marksman .
Great video
Thanks for watching.
Not sure if you are willing to or not, but it looks like you may be able to run those Hornady's to the Nosler level. Seems like the ES and SD numbers of the Hornady are just coming to the next node on your max charge. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
Good idea. I generally try to stay below the bullet makers Max suggestions. Lots of people would try to push the envelope. Hornady's tested overall length was much shorter than Nosler tested suggested overall length by 35 thousands. This suggest to me the bullet profiles are quite a bit different.
Good shooting buddy... Was that all varget loads?
Yes for the 100's but the 107 TMK's was Win. 760
Personally, i would use the Hornady one that grouped .275" and an fps of 3082! A small varmint and YOURSELF won't notice any impact difference between 3082 fps and 3200 fps. The varmint for sure won't care.....lol! its more mental than anything. I saw you got really excited with the speed of the Noslers but not so excited with Hornady's small groups BUT SLOWER SPEED! Both speeds are gonna vaporize any varmint. Just My Opinion. Good video and great accuracy with all loads to be honest.
For light for caliber bullets (lower BC value) more speed and extended MPBR is your friend. Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
But the 100gr hornaday smokes the competition in BC compared to any 100gr 6.5 so the 100fps is no longer and issue go with the Hornaday at 3082fps and small group all day at 200 yards plus it's the same as the rest at 3200 hornaday smokes every thing they made all the new successful cartridges and they have the most money for R&D noslar hasn't changed a dam thing in bullets for decades and they cost a fortune for they're ammo or bullets hornaday all the way
I'd go with the Nosler with the 3216fps and tweak it a little bit on bullet seating depth or maybe a .03-.04 tenth of a grain less. Hornady is notoriously known for being conservative on their reloading data.
Good suggestion. Thanks for your input here.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Your welcome! I enjoy your videos Dave.
All I can tell you brothers is crank it up. Until you see the pressure signs. Then start messing with seating depth.
I'll just add "Cautiously crank it up...That's just my experiences.
Try the Hornady 100gr ELD-VT WITH 41.3 gr Hodgdon Varget…Now you are talking varmint with 6.5 Creedmoor
Muzzle velocity 3530 with .3 - .5 MOA AT 100 yds. You will love it. No pressure. I saw pressure at 3640fps.
IMR 4064 powder worked well at the same powder charge with 3400 fps muzzle velocity 😊😊😊😊😊
Wow that is fast indeed. Hodgdon manual shows the 100 gn eld-vt max load at 43.8gns Varget and a max speed of 3,300 fps and pressure of 60,900 psi.
Ve your content you tube unsubscribed me from your channel again from both of my accounts (phone/tv). Not the first time and not just your channel.
Thanks for checking and re-subscribing.