This is such a creative way to explore using MIDI at the beginning of your workflow to creative new sounds, rather than just automating parameters after recording an instrument, which is still fun too. I really need to dedicate some time applying this technique to all sorts of sounds. I wonder how this might work with orchestral sounds in sample libraries. I guess there are less parameters to automate, but who knows?! Thanks for the inspiration, Jono.
Hi David. Absolutely, there are all kinds of ways this kind of MIDI routing could be applied, including to Orchestral Sample libraries. Have fun exploring!
Great intro! You continue to push the boundaries of creative music production ! I thought that it might go over head a bit, but the penny dropped the more I stuck at it. Some freaky sound design. I enjoyed this vid, I think it might the software developer in me merging with the musician.
Brilliant as ever and will incorporate this for my El Retsof productions . Great tutorial . I've just stumbled on a sort of self generating synth using the randomiser and using the pattern regions etc ( took some tweaking ). Logic's Midi Fx are great once you go out of the comfort zone and take the time . Thank you JB
That sounds great, Lee. You’re absolutely right, the MIDI FX can do amazing things and coupled to the MIDI In options, things can get creatively wild! Thanks so much, as always.
🤯 Crikey! I think that needs a second watch.. Not sure yet how I could use this, but without being exposed to new things, how would you grow? Thanks again, as ever 👍
Hi Peter. If this kind of MIDI routing is new to you, it will definitely bear repeat viewing! But do stick with it - if working with technology has taught me anything, it's that even if this specific technique isn't relevant to the music you make, understanding the connections and possibilities explored in this video WILL prove valuable in a related (or even unrelated) field at some stage. Thank you, as always.
Not watching the wrong channel Jono (17. 00m) just the wrong video. I don’t find it fun at all, as you seem to suggest I should. Looking forward to something a bit more practical. Keep up the good work.
That is, of course, completely fair and I'm sorry this episode was less relevant to the music you want to make. There are a huge range of musical interests central to the wonderful community of musicians who watch the videos Will and I make and 'practical' definitely means different things to different people, depending on the musical pathways they want to follow, which is why we tend to mix it up from one week to the next.
Very cool. Thank you Jono! I wonder if there might be a way to use this capability for "natural" effect . . . such as expression data for one string part shared with other parts?
There might well be, particularly for creating undulating Dynamics or Expression lines across multiple parts. That would be well worth exploring, Peter. Thanks for a great suggestion.
this is a great video! i am confused that you make assignments to mod wheel but i don't see any mod wheel? it appears you use middle c as mod wheel? thanks!!
Hi Michael. Many thanks. Remember, there doesn't need to be a physical Modulation Wheel for MIDI messages to be generated and applied to different parameters. A physical Modulation Wheel allows you to turn up and down the amount of MIDI Controller #1 but you can still make MIDI Controller #1 messages and assign those to different targets without one. In this video, I've used Modulator's LFO to generate a set of MIDI Controller #1 messages and I've routed those into different parameters within Sample Alchemy. Because I don't have a physical Modulation Wheel, the amount of that movement can't be changed in real-time, so once an assignment is set up, it's going to continue to 'happen', unless I use Automation to change the amount of that assignment. I'm using Middle C just to trigger the note in Sample Alchemy, not to change the amount of MIDI Controller #1. I hope that helps.
@@michaelbutler2312 Not quite! Remember that the Mod Wheel is simply a controller for MIDI Controller #1. So rather than thinking about the Mod Wheel at all, just think about a line of MIDI Controller #1 data being generated by the Modulator MIDI FX plug-in. That line of data doesn't do anything until you connect it to a 'target'. In this video, I've connected it to a range of parameters in Sample Alchemy but you could just as easily use it in any other of Logic's instruments which can receive MIDI Controller messages and assign them to target parameters. Once that target assignment is made, I'll only hear it when I press a key for the instrument I've sent the data to. So the key press is just that - a way to trigger a note, in the same way as if I were triggering any note in any instrument. The key press isn't generating or targeting any of the MIDI Controller #1 information - it's simply playing a note in Sample Alchemy.
@@jonobuchananmusic thanks! i'll get my head around as i'm usually thinking of the mod wheel as itself. i have a lot to learn and thank you for opening my eyes!!
@@jonobuchananmusic Uuuuuh. Groovy. Because I felt it would maybe be cool with some LFO modulation and expressive modulation. Just got myself an AKAI MPK261, so I can actually hook up the Touché with MIDI to that… If that is something I want to do. Felt having both keys and Touché connected by USB caused the Touché modulation to not be meshed with the midi from the keys in a particularly satisfying way. Idk… Should probably have experimented more with it, rather than just letting it sit on my desk like a menacing frog. Excitement!
I freakin love this channel! Greetings and gratitude from Philly, Jono 🍻🙏
Thanks so much! I've just had a 2 week holiday in your wonderful country. Greetings back to you from the UK.
This is such a creative way to explore using MIDI at the beginning of your workflow to creative new sounds, rather than just automating parameters after recording an instrument, which is still fun too. I really need to dedicate some time applying this technique to all sorts of sounds. I wonder how this might work with orchestral sounds in sample libraries. I guess there are less parameters to automate, but who knows?! Thanks for the inspiration, Jono.
Hi David. Absolutely, there are all kinds of ways this kind of MIDI routing could be applied, including to Orchestral Sample libraries. Have fun exploring!
1st one here!haha...hello Jono!
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Best intro so far
Thank you!
Great intro! You continue to push the boundaries of creative music production ! I thought that it might go over head a bit, but the penny dropped the more I stuck at it. Some freaky sound design. I enjoyed this vid, I think it might the software developer in me merging with the musician.
Thanks so much, John. I’m glad it appealed to you!
Brilliant as ever and will incorporate this for my El Retsof productions . Great tutorial . I've just stumbled on a sort of self generating synth using the randomiser and using the pattern regions etc ( took some tweaking ). Logic's Midi Fx are great once you go out of the comfort zone and take the time
. Thank you JB
That sounds great, Lee. You’re absolutely right, the MIDI FX can do amazing things and coupled to the MIDI In options, things can get creatively wild! Thanks so much, as always.
🤯 Crikey! I think that needs a second watch.. Not sure yet how I could use this, but without being exposed to new things, how would you grow? Thanks again, as ever 👍
Hi Peter. If this kind of MIDI routing is new to you, it will definitely bear repeat viewing! But do stick with it - if working with technology has taught me anything, it's that even if this specific technique isn't relevant to the music you make, understanding the connections and possibilities explored in this video WILL prove valuable in a related (or even unrelated) field at some stage. Thank you, as always.
Not watching the wrong channel Jono (17. 00m) just the wrong video. I don’t find it fun at all, as you seem to suggest I should. Looking forward to something a bit more practical. Keep up the good work.
That is, of course, completely fair and I'm sorry this episode was less relevant to the music you want to make. There are a huge range of musical interests central to the wonderful community of musicians who watch the videos Will and I make and 'practical' definitely means different things to different people, depending on the musical pathways they want to follow, which is why we tend to mix it up from one week to the next.
Very cool. Thank you Jono! I wonder if there might be a way to use this capability for "natural" effect . . . such as expression data for one string part shared with other parts?
There might well be, particularly for creating undulating Dynamics or Expression lines across multiple parts. That would be well worth exploring, Peter. Thanks for a great suggestion.
this is a great video! i am confused that you make assignments to mod wheel but i don't see any mod wheel? it appears you use middle c as mod wheel? thanks!!
Hi Michael. Many thanks. Remember, there doesn't need to be a physical Modulation Wheel for MIDI messages to be generated and applied to different parameters. A physical Modulation Wheel allows you to turn up and down the amount of MIDI Controller #1 but you can still make MIDI Controller #1 messages and assign those to different targets without one. In this video, I've used Modulator's LFO to generate a set of MIDI Controller #1 messages and I've routed those into different parameters within Sample Alchemy. Because I don't have a physical Modulation Wheel, the amount of that movement can't be changed in real-time, so once an assignment is set up, it's going to continue to 'happen', unless I use Automation to change the amount of that assignment. I'm using Middle C just to trigger the note in Sample Alchemy, not to change the amount of MIDI Controller #1. I hope that helps.
@@jonobuchananmusic great info! so any key i press would be the assignment ofmod wheel? that's great !
@@michaelbutler2312 Not quite! Remember that the Mod Wheel is simply a controller for MIDI Controller #1. So rather than thinking about the Mod Wheel at all, just think about a line of MIDI Controller #1 data being generated by the Modulator MIDI FX plug-in. That line of data doesn't do anything until you connect it to a 'target'. In this video, I've connected it to a range of parameters in Sample Alchemy but you could just as easily use it in any other of Logic's instruments which can receive MIDI Controller messages and assign them to target parameters. Once that target assignment is made, I'll only hear it when I press a key for the instrument I've sent the data to. So the key press is just that - a way to trigger a note, in the same way as if I were triggering any note in any instrument. The key press isn't generating or targeting any of the MIDI Controller #1 information - it's simply playing a note in Sample Alchemy.
@@jonobuchananmusic thanks! i'll get my head around as i'm usually thinking of the mod wheel as itself. i have a lot to learn and thank you for opening my eyes!!
What with all the midi cc, would this not be a nice place to involve the Touché..?
Hi Daniel. It's almost as if you're peered inside Part 3... ; )
@@jonobuchananmusic Uuuuuh. Groovy. Because I felt it would maybe be cool with some LFO modulation and expressive modulation. Just got myself an AKAI MPK261, so I can actually hook up the Touché with MIDI to that… If that is something I want to do. Felt having both keys and Touché connected by USB caused the Touché modulation to not be meshed with the midi from the keys in a particularly satisfying way. Idk… Should probably have experimented more with it, rather than just letting it sit on my desk like a menacing frog.
Excitement!