"Why Is Atheism Absurd?"
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Hamza bro small help: if the initial condition changed, then it couldnt have been necessary because it can be another way.
And if it didnt change, that s essentially God.
Высокомерие в начале котоорое всегда улетучивается в конце...хвала Аллаху за Ислам!
No answers, no explanations.
May Allah guides him.
الله اكبر
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Assalamo Alaikum Hamza Brother
bro confused between necessary and contingent thing.....never expect atheism to give reasonable answer other than "i dont know but i certain there is no god"
No I wasn't i clearly stated at T=0 is the necessary thing. I told him that the actual world shares an initial starting or boundary which is at T=0. So in my view T=0 is the necessary thing pretty easy to understand but they refused to understand. But I do conceded I was awful in that convo and need to read more thanks for your comment
@@Gel01243 "T=0" isn't an actual thing. It's an expression that refers to the absence of time.
I assume you actually mean something else, but what you're literally saying over and over again is that the lack of time's existence is the necessary existence.
It's quite literally the definition of nonsense.
Hamza change your alarm battery!!! 😅
Change the smoke alarms battery! 🤨
Ponders was magnificent. Disected the argument brilliantly. 👍
Masha Allah, Hamza you are our lion....
It turned into a comedy show at the end there 😂😂😂
You guys try and make it all sound complicated ...truth is you have zero evidence ....and how come it is alway 1 vs 5 ...no wonder the average viewing Muslim thinks hamza and his pals won the debate
It's not even a debate dude,, they have a discussion and he get some knowledge or get schooled😂😂
It's not actually a debate. It's the necessity for educating atheists. Alhamthulillah.
@@nibrasmohamed5593 says the man who has zero evidence his god exists .
@@muhammedrayan4145well I didn't seem him school him tbf just . Yusufs view is exactly the same cuz he believes somehow god causes things without changing or physical intervention basically he believes that rocks did hit rocks but somehow caused them to come together .so I don't know how he schooled him
That kid was Asian, yusuf was bang on the mark.. Anyway, the kid didn't really know what he was talking about, which is to be expected.. His a kid, trying to understand complicated subjects.. Needs to research and learn more.
@@Gel01243, no worries, I would read the divine reality as recommended. It's free download.
@MujahidOfTheRedwoodsindeed. Idk why hamza stressed it on. They are on the age of learning, not on the age of wisdom yet.
Said the same thing, lad sounded like a British Asian kid from up north. That was not a British kid that’s from a Nigerian or west African background. I know what my west African British people sound like.
How do you know I exist?
You havent seen me.
You havent met me before.
My post is evidence of me.
My post is not me.
I typed in my post.
I produced my post.
What I produce is evidence of me.
creation is evidence of the Creator which He not only creates but also sustains, provides, has Power over.
You do not see me but you see evidence of me (my post).
We do not see God (our Creator) but we see evidence of Him (His creation) all around us.
I had a purpose when I made my post.
The purpose of our creation in this limited life in this limited world is with our Creator.
A post was posted with a purpose.
Our Creator created us with a purpose.
This life is a test.
With tests, there is a beginning and an end.
With tests, there will be judgement.
We are tested on our deeds in this temporary life.
Our test will end when we die.
After we die, there will be judgement, regardless if we believe we will be judged or not.
In an established society with established laws, we could get punished if we broke the law.
We are accountable for what we do.
There are good deeds and there are bad deeds.
A good deed is a plus.
A bad deed is a minus.
Test includes trials: fortune and tribulations.
If we are grateful, it is a plus.
If we are patient, it is a plus.
Rejecting our Creator exist is a huge minus.
الله يحفظك
Actually he was right when talking about quantun phisycs. Its science (naturalism) and it isn't deterministic. Ever heard of schrodingers cat? You can be atheist and believe in free will.
The point is that the two beliefs are incompatible. Naturalism cannot account for free will.
Schrodinger's cat is just a thought experiment and I'm not sure how you're relating that to free will. But there is no force called randomness that exists. Under naturalism, "choices" are determined just like everything else. There is no immaterial mind that exists to freely choose. Just a brain that is subject to the chemicals and environmental conditions it is subjected to.
If you can't give examples of acts you believe your god would never do to anyone, don't call your god good! If you can then Man _can_ judge your god because you just did.
If I create something, I can do anything I want with it, regardless of the opinion of the thing I created, why is that common rule an exclusion when it comes to God who created existence we experience? What makes you so special?
That is what I call vacuous hubris.
Definitely not hamza's son : Rumzi 😂😂😂
هو حافظ من غير فهم
هو حفظ طريقة تعريف المسلمين للإله وبدأ يستخدمها ضد المسلمين. لذلك عندما سأله الأخوة "لماذا هو ضرورة" لم يعرف ولم يستطع الاجابة. لانه اذا اجاب بالطريقة الصحيحة سيصل الى انه يتكلم عن الإله
Thanks for your comment pop here, I agree with what you said need to understand more
Can I have ketchup with that?
@@Do-the-right-thing what you mean mate? I get it I lost the discussion
@@Gel01243 it wasn't a fair debate as it was 4 vs1
@@Do-the-right-thing It was fair imo mate, I willing decided to go on tho
08:12 😂😂😂😅😅😅 youyuyuyuouyou ‼️‼️🤭🤭🤭
One thing I can say for sure is that he isn't from Nigerian background. 😄
100% he ISN’T. The kid is British Asian. For sure. He sounded like a British Asian lad from up north. That was not a British Nigerian accent.
Bro, you sound Asian. Did you grow up around Asians? Like Pakistani?@@Gel01243
There is no "before" t= 0 😂
Yes for a naturalist that is the starting point of natural reality
then you can claim anything is necessary and no need for explanation
17:02 yes you can’t, that’s why we call atheism is absurd (^^
9 seconds in lets go 😅 ! RAMADAN MUBARAK TOO ALL MUSLIMS🎉
Wait today .3 day of Ramadan here
Wait today.its 3 day of Ramadan here
16 isn't a young age for this kind of talk at all. I was into this stuff when I was 11.
Pop K must be very confused
@@Gel01243may allah guide you to the truth. showing such humility is very honorable. I recommend Muslim lanterns channel. he has different discussions with atheist aswell and always explains in a very comprehesible way. Have a good day :)
@@Gel01243 is your name really pop k? what does that even mean
Hamza is on another level at debate and discussion
It's an unfair debate ...4 vs 1
honestly idk. I'd love to debate this man. I'm an ex-muslim who converted to agonstisism, but I'm still looking for the truth in life.
@@TanyaTulip you can debate me lets see what you got?
@@TanyaTulip so
Do you exist?
And
Does The universe exist?
Then whats the best explanation for existence
1. We come from nothing
Nothing The absence of everything which means nothing dont even exist..its just a concept
2. Did the universe create itself or it always existed
We know the universe was created after the big bang
Which means it did not always exist
And you have to pre-exist to create yourself
So the universe did not create itself..
With Which part do you disagree????
Something created us for sure
That thing must be eternal otherwise infinite regress will happen which is not the case
Must possess knowledge
Otherwise cant create
Must possess power or energy
Must possess consciousness to make the decision when and what and how and why to create
Which needs a will to bring about the universe......
By definition
Its called
God
How can being skeptical of something you can't demonstrate be an absurd position?
Put some batteries in your smoke detector bro
Where do these people come from.
There are many people in this world but i love this guy sooooo much! Mashallah Hamza you live up to your name. Love you brother.
This debate is unfair ...it is always 4 or 5 muslums vs 1 atheist..
His position got nullified by his own argument. Pondors just exposed it.
Wouldn't matter if there were 100 atheist if they were making the same argument.
It’s not 1 there’s 100 of them come on the stream. If u bring more than 1 atheist ud bring 2 contradictory positions
Who exactly you didnt even understand what he was saying lol@@senti2175
Last part was getting interesting
حمزة اخي دعك من التعالي وتكلم مع للناس وكانه هو اخر انسان تدعوه الاسلام الغرور بالمعرفه شي منفر
Hamzah stop inviting this “ def not hamzah son “ dude tbh he needs to build up his debating skills so far he just gets emotional
MashAallah he’s reverted many people into Islam. His debating skills are on par for those who are ignorant. The atheist in this video in the comment below this video even admitted he was ignorant himself.
@@Gel01243didn’t engage with you because you were ignorant? (edited) misread thought you were a random commentator. Lmao
@@Gel01243 ohhh i said his target audience is those who are ignorant. I didn't necessarily say that you were influenced by his arguments. I just said its meant for those who are ignorant (and i clarified that I'm not name calling as you said in a comment below you were being ignorant)
Wow yusuf ponders made a great job in explaining this point
Well done guys; you treated Pop K with the right amount of respect too.
I lost brain cells watching this 🤣
@@Gel01243 may God guide you.
An adult is anyone who's reached puberty.
Hamza and ijaz were lost in this discussion but yusuf saved them.
Lol my guy trying to till What Athiest believe and don't believe 😂😂😂
This video of Hamaza munching in my ear while I’m fasting is not helping bruh 😂😂😂
Bro, yusuf is right, pop sounded Asian.
May allah give people like these brain,cant waste our brother to a wall
All praises to the creator of the heavens and the Earth in all the world you would not be able to do this stream if you were not existing but because your mother and not raise you propearly and did not l Or educate you and common sense or morality or individual thinking or Aaron The basics or the fundamentals of be in a human and that's why you are what you are today wortplus just like every other person who agrees with you are worthless until the Lord sees fit to give you guidance or you bec That's why you have to pray every day made the Lord almighty allah guide us all and safeguard us all in this life and in the next are you getting individual such as this you don't even know they existome the firewood for hell😢ove you enough care for you enough
Thanks for your insight I don't think I'm worthless but if you do then that's fine
Thank God I am a Muslim
a viva like this had me gutted..haha
16 year old lost honestly this earth may be doomed
Anyhow this guy sees the error of his ways so maybe there is redemption
Nahh just making it sound dramatical but keep up the good work I learnt quite abit.
the majority of 16 year olds dont know who they are or what they believe; including Muslim teenagers. I wouldn't take that alone as the earth being doomed.
@TanyaTulip on the contrary 16 is an age to understand I don't let the west dictate when your an adult.
Allahuma Barik keep going brother
Hamza the antlion😅
lol@ are you an author
Hello
5:58
This little boy thought he knew something 😂
ur arogant
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Says the Non Muslim who has 100 COMMENTS on hamzas channel alone. Like come on
He is trying to prove there is no god but he has no proof or explanation. Same goes to his belief, he has no proof. I call it "ignorance".
I don't have to disprove God because he could logical exists but doesn't so no need to disprove. I don't know what proof he requires tho mathematical, scientific I'm not too sure. But I do conceded I was horrible in that convo
Try to prove the non-existence of a pink flying elephant. You can't, it doesn't exist, there's nothing to prove.
If God existed, there would be some signs of it. Since there are no signs, it can be inferred that God does not exist.
This was painful to watch.
Hamza I want to debate you but I don't do video. If we can discuss over message or email I will gladly refute all your points.
@@Gel01243 to me
go on stream if you are so confident about your position :)
@@shainn2237 It's not worth trying to convince someone who is that far down the path of Islam. If that's their inclination, so be it. Be well.
@@CJ-ff1xqno one asked you to deconvert anyone. We're simply suggesting that you follow through with your claim of being able to refute all of his points.
Use a voice changer if you're worried about being identified. There are free apps.
@@sunwukong32 I'm not interested in joining a Muslim echo chamber, it's also hard to think on the spot and articulate yourself well verbally while under time pressure. That is why I prefer to debate via text. Hamza takes advantage of the fact he has time to prepare his arguments (generally against Christians and Atheists), while many of his guests may in fact have valid points but are composing their arguments on the spot and have limited experience with verbal debate, which is a skill in its own right.
Everything has a cause, including the creation of this universe, but that cause is not an independent, omnipotent God. Muslims generally tend to agree with the statement that everything has a cause when it is convenient for them, but when it comes to God, they make an exception. The reality is that there's no exception, even if we suppose that a God did exist, it would require a cause to come about. Something cannot self-create. What we call reality is in fact phenomena appearing as this or that, in other words it is merely consciousness. We take things to be "real" due to a fundamental delusion. This can be verified in direct experience. Therefore, Muslims are incorrect - there is in fact nothing truly existent that a God could have created in the first place. When the delusion is reversed, consciousness reverts back to its original undeluded form. As a result, our self-view and our clinging to external "objects" and experiences ceases, which is the root of our suffering. This is what some traditions would describe as "enlightenment". It is not an external "place" like a heaven.
I have a question for all Muslim theists,
How many Ṣifats does Allah have ?
Def not hamzas son why who said that to u 😂😂😂
“ Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do. “ Quran 41 : 40
Who let this little puppy into the lion den? Anyhow with proper education he will transform to a wolf. May Allah guide this young 16 years old.
He seems confused, May Allah guide him
Atheist doesn't even have a proper argument.
The arrogance of Hamza is awful. If he is so sure of his position why does he not go and debate real academics. Also, to say that you don't believe in a god is not an absurd position at all. Living your life based on what was written in a book 1000's of year's ago when they didn't even know about germ theory seams absurd.
Muslims are the cleanest people bro
So something came from nothing or you believe in an infinite chain of dependent things that created the universe but why is that chain infinite if we already have the output (the universe)
We wash ourselves five times a day before prayer after releasing sperm we take a shower
@@Twelver313ForLife It's really very simple my friend. You say there is a god. I say I don't believe you. That's it. You can't prove there is, and I can't prove there isn't. If you choose to believe in a god that's up to you. From where I stand your position looks silly to me. I'm sure you think my position is silly as well.
@@Twelver313ForLife Where is your evidence for that claim?
10:34 Ask ˹them, O Prophet˺, “Can any of your associate-gods originate creation and then resurrect it?” Say, “˹Only˺ Allah originates creation and then resurrects it. How can you then be deluded ˹from the truth˺?”
10:35 Ask ˹them, O Prophet˺, “Can any of your associate-gods guide to the truth?” Say, “˹Only˺ Allah guides to the truth.” Who then is more worthy to be followed: the One Who guides to the truth or those who cannot find the way unless guided? What is the matter with you? How do you judge?
10:36 Most of them follow nothing but ˹inherited˺ assumptions. ˹And˺ surely assumptions can in no way replace the truth. Allah is indeed All-Knowing of what they do.
10:37 It is not ˹possible˺ for this Quran to have been produced by anyone other than Allah. In fact, it is a confirmation of what came before, and an explanation of the Scripture. It is, without a doubt, from the Lord of all worlds.
Nice verses from the quran. Its pop k the ignorant kid from the video. I conceded that I lost and need to learn more
@@Gel01243you still young & learning. give yourself a chance & read the quran then judge it yourself.
May Allah guide you
People can believe anything they want to.
Not if what they believe in is false. You can’t believe anything you want to. You have to give a logical reason as to why. Stop being emotional and give a reason for what you believe in. Also I see you have made over 100+ comments on this channel. What are you doing with your life??
@@SoldierOfAlIah Why would I tell you what I believe? Currently i am living in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, I have a condo here.
My neighbors are Buddhist, I also have a few Muslim friends. Surprise all Muslims do not follow the Islam friendship code. Any person can believe anything they want to. That is why there are over 4200 religions. Who are you to tell another person what they believe is false?
@@JamesSchrader-i7oBecause believe it or not there is objective truth. According to the objective truth principle, if one thing is objectively true then by default everything else is false.
@@TheTruthfulOnes one thing is true for you and the same thing may not be true for me. That is a man made idea. Just like winning an argument about anything.
@@TheTruthfulOnes you must be going to college, ? My beliefs whatever they are haver no bearing on the facts of the world around us.The earth will do what ever mother nature tells it to do. My thoughts and what I believe are for me. They direct me to what I think is best for me.
Islam is no less absurd
Wrong Hamza. We do have some free choices. You can choose what you want to eat, but you do not decide when you are going to be hungry. You may choose the exact moment you go pee, but you do not decide that you have to pee. In your bladder you have a stretch receptor called the "trigone". When that stretch receptor stretches to a certain point, it sends a signal to your brain letting you know that you have to go pee.
From the perspective of a naturalist you don’t have a choice, everything you do is a result of the initial cause
Let’s say that cause was the Big Bang, after it occurred, everything that led to the moment you exist and needing to pee was a result of the trajectory of the particles and you don’t have a will.
You’re just these particles just doing their thing.