Since I live on a boat, a NAS with hard drives isn't the best idea, so I needed an all flash NAS solution. I considered both the Qnap as well as the Asustor, but ended up ordering the Minisforum MS-01 with the i5 and 64GB ram, I can upgrade it with a PCIe to 2x m.2 card to fit 5x m.2 4tb drives in total like the Qnap, but for 1/3 of the price! but its not limited to the 16GB ram of the Qnap. and with better network ports and more pcie lanes per drive!
What pci e m2 card did you get? The chipset doesn’t support bifurcation so most won’t work. Also interested if the cooling will be sufficient on that side of the case
@@rjScubaSki I haven't ordered the card yet for this exact reason, I would love to hear from the forum which one will definitely work ;p I will start with 4x 4TB m.2 drives, using a PCIe 4.0 x8 to 1x m.2 card, which will work anyway. I also ordered a PCIe 3.0 x4 Raiser/Exterder to test if I can use the wifi port for a m.2 drive. For cooling I am not worried, if needed mod in the case with a slim fan over the pcie slot or something similar. if the cooling is reasonable with out modding than I would like to buy the 4x m.2 pcie card and use only the top two slots for now.
2 great devices - I use a Lincstation N1, which has weaker network connectivity, but for the price of 279 USD it offers comparable hardware to the Asusstore device. I'm very happy with it and if it had an SFP+ port or at least a second 2.5 GB Ethernet card it would be a real (better) alternative from my point of view.
Great review! I'm keeping my eye on the 2nd generation of the TVS-h574TX. If it boosts the memory to 64GB (or more) I would pull the trigger on one for my business.
Qnap is a lot, but I love zfs, and qts hero. I have one already and they'd work so well together. But yeah, what's up with the ram?! My qnap is using 40 GB of ram right now, and that's just zfs!
Greetings from Germany. Thank you for the video. I curently use an 80 TB Synology HDD. I use it only within my home network storage for movies, music, photos and PC/Notebook daily backups Just a few questions: Does the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro shows an icon on a LG or Samsung Smart TV like the Synology Diskstation does? 2. Can I assign a Letter for each Raid to upload/download ode delete files on the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro? 3. What is the maximum TB storage capacity for each SSD Slot? I want to fill them with 12 x 8TB. Thank you. Regards, Titus
Very nice review, thanks! One question I still have no answer is: what could be the practical maximum network bandwidth for each model? I have the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro but my other devices can't request up to 10Gb/s (tested at about 5Gb/s saturating all my other 2.5/1Gb/s network connections)). Would Flashstor 12 Pro be able to saturate the 10Gb/s network connection assuming I have enough/adequate other network devices? Same question for the QNAP, if every network connection is used at its max, will the QNAP serve them all at best (10Gbe+2.5Gbe+thunderbolt)? Great job, keep going! Jean
Would something like the QNAP TVS-h874 NAS still be a better option than TBS-h574TX in terms of overall performance? I mainly want to "expand" the storage (along with the RAID capability) on my MacBook without compromising any performance/speed (=seamless experience) and future proof as much as possible. TVS-h874 specs mention "Dual M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 NVMe SSD slots enable cache acceleration or SSD storage pools for improved performance" but not sure if that is enough to meet or exceed an "all flash" NAS performance?
I never understand why people keep talking about pcie capacity on a box with a max 12.5 gig ethernet connection. 900 MB per drive in raid is more than enough to saturate both ethernet connections
It's mainly so that the internal system performance can be as high as possible for databases running remotely. Not 1 big 10-12.5Gb/s connected user, but hundreds or thousands of smaller ones across different devices. Latency etc. plus internal system management with containers. These all can be massively improved with flash RAID systems
I have a Qnap tvs-951x with 12tb drives which are now 90% full. Id like to replace the 12tb drives with 24tb ironwolf drives and double my space. Do you think my current NAS would do the job or do i need a newer nas for drives that large. There's not much info on the qnap site for drives that large. What would you recommend?
Hopefully the 2nd gen Flashstor comes with USB4 or Thunderbolt 5 and a faster CPU like an Intel i7-1265u. The current 10Gbe is just a bottleneck to the NVMe speeds of just one drive.
Is it possible to have a French "voice"? Your videos are so complete that I'm sorry not to capture all the nuances 😕 It's easy for use a RUclips tools🙏 Est il possible d'avoir une "voix" française ? Vos vidéos sont tellement complète que je suis navré de ne pas en saisir toutes les nuances 😕 C'est facile en utilisant les outils RUclips 🙏
@@nascompares Double track can be a good solution. Crazy progress is happening in AI every day, it should be able to do this✊ In any case, thank you for thinking about it☺️ La double piste peut être une bonne solution. Des progrès de dingue ont lieu en IA tous les jours, ça doit pouvoir ce faire✊En tout cas merci d'y penser ☺️
Until the price of large capacity NVMe SSD's comes right down - these devices will be sales flops. The device is expensive and the drives are 'really' expensive. It's a non starter.
Yes, the NVMe SSD's are expensive but not that much more (approx 5X considering capacity). I found 8TB NVMe's for $840 vs a 16TB top of the line hard drive (Seagate IronWolf Pro ST16000NT001 16TB 7200 RPM) for $320. For a business the speed, convenience and reliability could be worth the difference in price. For home use probably not.
It depends on what you want from a NAS. I am looking for a NAS (self-built or a device like this) specifically to put either 2.5 SSD's in or NVMe drives because I want a silent solution that can run constantly (with servers/VM's running on it) while my harddrive NAS devices which I will use for mass storage, can then go into sleep mode because those enterprise drives can be really noisy and I'm honestly tired of the noise. Is this a niche usecase? Absolutely and I agree that they probably won't sell a ton to consumers, but I don't think these devices are necessarily meant for consumers but for small companies or people with very specific needs (like people who need a lot of speed for their storage). I probably will go for an other solution (I am going back and forth on what I want for over a year) as I trust a good 2.5 inch SSD more than consumer NVMe drives and I really don't care about the speed, only the noise, but I have been looking at these devices as well. And yes, whatever I choose it will be very expensive, but they should last me a decent amount of time and since they are on 24/7 it should be worth it. That said, I need to change out the drives in one of my other NAS'es first, so not sure when I will finally be able to do this.
Completely disagree. The prices per TB are as low as ever, the BIGGEST 4tb nvme pcie 3.0 are now below 200$ and available for basic consumers. Even the gear is way underpriced like this ASUSTOR and targetted at home user.
@@MaartenT I also spent a year thinking about what solution I was going to implement for my business. I finally bought a TVS-H874TX and populated it with 8 16 TB Segate Ironwolf drives and it's a very good solution for what I needed. However, I also dislike the noise it makes and it' may also be too much capacity for what I needed. So a smaller capacity machine like the TBS-h574TX would be just about right for my needs. But I need the extra RAM for running VMs so 16GB just isn't going to cut it. 64 GB would be the minimum I would consider to buy this device. I can live with the Core i5 rather than the Core i9 in the h874tx.
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sadly the Qnap is just WAY too expensive for what it is
Since I live on a boat, a NAS with hard drives isn't the best idea, so I needed an all flash NAS solution. I considered both the Qnap as well as the Asustor, but ended up ordering the Minisforum MS-01 with the i5 and 64GB ram, I can upgrade it with a PCIe to 2x m.2 card to fit 5x m.2 4tb drives in total like the Qnap, but for 1/3 of the price! but its not limited to the 16GB ram of the Qnap. and with better network ports and more pcie lanes per drive!
What pci e m2 card did you get? The chipset doesn’t support bifurcation so most won’t work. Also interested if the cooling will be sufficient on that side of the case
@@rjScubaSki I haven't ordered the card yet for this exact reason, I would love to hear from the forum which one will definitely work ;p
I will start with 4x 4TB m.2 drives, using a PCIe 4.0 x8 to 1x m.2 card, which will work anyway. I also ordered a PCIe 3.0 x4 Raiser/Exterder to test if I can use the wifi port for a m.2 drive. For cooling I am not worried, if needed mod in the case with a slim fan over the pcie slot or something similar. if the cooling is reasonable with out modding than I would like to buy the 4x m.2 pcie card and use only the top two slots for now.
@@sailingnewhope hopefully it gets a bit easier with future iterations
2 great devices - I use a Lincstation N1, which has weaker network connectivity, but for the price of 279 USD it offers comparable hardware to the Asusstore device. I'm very happy with it and if it had an SFP+ port or at least a second 2.5 GB Ethernet card it would be a real (better) alternative from my point of view.
On my radar? No, I just enjoy your channel and the education I'm getting from you.
Great review! I'm keeping my eye on the 2nd generation of the TVS-h574TX. If it boosts the memory to 64GB (or more) I would pull the trigger on one for my business.
I was thinking the same thing. Guess I will be waiting longer.
I wonder how the new UGreen equivalent will rate against these two, particularly in regard to software.
That comparison will 100% happen in April. Already got the DXP408T here
Fantastic that man 😎
Qnap is a lot, but I love zfs, and qts hero. I have one already and they'd work so well together.
But yeah, what's up with the ram?!
My qnap is using 40 GB of ram right now, and that's just zfs!
What is the opinion about the minisforum MS-01, Would it make sense to use this PC as NAS SSD storage or what would speak against it?
Does the Qnap support high capacity nvme ssds like the WD 8tb? And what E1 SSDs are best for it?
That qnap design reminds me so much on ROWENTA Silence Comfort heater
Qnap is more close to commercial standard imo and you can pop some industry drive to the bay
While asustor is more like consumer grade product
Thanks for a great video! It's helped me narrow down my SSD NAS choice.
Greetings from Germany. Thank you for the video. I curently use an 80 TB Synology HDD. I use it only within my home network storage for movies, music, photos and PC/Notebook daily backups Just a few questions: Does the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro shows an icon on a LG or Samsung Smart TV like the Synology Diskstation does? 2. Can I assign a Letter for each Raid to upload/download ode delete files on the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro? 3. What is the maximum TB storage capacity for each SSD Slot? I want to fill them with 12 x 8TB. Thank you. Regards, Titus
This is on my list. My question which are the best M.2 SSDs to purchase for either system?
For 4T Flashtor certifies TEAMGROUP.
Why don't you say how many simultaneous streams the Asustor can do? Two 4K streams? Four 4K streams?
That CPU is weak, I'd say four is the absolute max.
Very nice review, thanks! One question I still have no answer is: what could be the practical maximum network bandwidth for each model? I have the Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro but my other devices can't request up to 10Gb/s (tested at about 5Gb/s saturating all my other 2.5/1Gb/s network connections)). Would Flashstor 12 Pro be able to saturate the 10Gb/s network connection assuming I have enough/adequate other network devices?
Same question for the QNAP, if every network connection is used at its max, will the QNAP serve them all at best (10Gbe+2.5Gbe+thunderbolt)?
Great job, keep going!
Jean
He did answer this. The Asustor maxes out around 1000mbps and the Qnap at 1700, or 3000ish with dual thunderbolt 4 connections.
@@BigIrisProductionsYes, this is the theorical max but I was wondering if someone had a chance to test this in practice.
Would something like the QNAP TVS-h874 NAS still be a better option than TBS-h574TX in terms of overall performance? I mainly want to "expand" the storage (along with the RAID capability) on my MacBook without compromising any performance/speed (=seamless experience) and future proof as much as possible.
TVS-h874 specs mention "Dual M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 NVMe SSD slots enable cache acceleration or SSD storage pools for improved performance" but not sure if that is enough to meet or exceed an "all flash" NAS performance?
TBS-h574TX is better, no spinning drives.
The 874 is the way to go. No question about it...
I never understand why people keep talking about pcie capacity on a box with a max 12.5 gig ethernet connection. 900 MB per drive in raid is more than enough to saturate both ethernet connections
It's mainly so that the internal system performance can be as high as possible for databases running remotely. Not 1 big 10-12.5Gb/s connected user, but hundreds or thousands of smaller ones across different devices. Latency etc. plus internal system management with containers. These all can be massively improved with flash RAID systems
QUESTION.. Is there a m.2 nvme type GPU for helping with Decoding and Encoding of video
Why should one spend big buck on SSD NASes with 10Gb uplink if simple 2 disk Raid-0 already oversaturates 10Gb NIC? Eludes me completely.
I have a Qnap tvs-951x with 12tb drives which are now 90% full. Id like to replace the 12tb drives with 24tb ironwolf drives and double my space. Do you think my current NAS would do the job or do i need a newer nas for drives that large. There's not much info on the qnap site for drives that large. What would you recommend?
Hopefully the 2nd gen Flashstor comes with USB4 or Thunderbolt 5 and a faster CPU like an Intel i7-1265u. The current 10Gbe is just a bottleneck to the NVMe speeds of just one drive.
That's what I'm hoping for. By then we should have 16TB NVME.
Looking forward to something similar from Synology.
Me too, but there don't appear to be even rumors for an SSD NAS from Synology.
@@burkec33 As far as I know there aren't any rumours at all for upcoming Synology products in 2024, so who knows..
With 1GBE and optional 10GBE
Plz less talking, more benchmarking. Can QNAP TBS-h574TX provide full 40 Gbps bandwith for both read/write over thunderbolt connection?
Great stuff Robbie!
Is it possible to have a French "voice"? Your videos are so complete that I'm sorry not to capture all the nuances 😕
It's easy for use a RUclips tools🙏
Est il possible d'avoir une "voix" française ? Vos vidéos sont tellement complète que je suis navré de ne pas en saisir toutes les nuances 😕
C'est facile en utilisant les outils RUclips 🙏
I can look into ai translation, but it won't be great if I'm honest. I'll see what can be done
@@nascompares Double track can be a good solution. Crazy progress is happening in AI every day, it should be able to do this✊ In any case, thank you for thinking about it☺️
La double piste peut être une bonne solution. Des progrès de dingue ont lieu en IA tous les jours, ça doit pouvoir ce faire✊En tout cas merci d'y penser ☺️
The QNAP uses way more energy.
€€€€!!!!
Asustor!!!
Until the price of large capacity NVMe SSD's comes right down - these devices will be sales flops. The device is expensive and the drives are 'really' expensive. It's a non starter.
Yes, the NVMe SSD's are expensive but not that much more (approx 5X considering capacity).
I found 8TB NVMe's for $840 vs a 16TB top of the line hard drive (Seagate IronWolf Pro ST16000NT001 16TB 7200 RPM) for $320.
For a business the speed, convenience and reliability could be worth the difference in price. For home use probably not.
It depends on what you want from a NAS. I am looking for a NAS (self-built or a device like this) specifically to put either 2.5 SSD's in or NVMe drives because I want a silent solution that can run constantly (with servers/VM's running on it) while my harddrive NAS devices which I will use for mass storage, can then go into sleep mode because those enterprise drives can be really noisy and I'm honestly tired of the noise. Is this a niche usecase? Absolutely and I agree that they probably won't sell a ton to consumers, but I don't think these devices are necessarily meant for consumers but for small companies or people with very specific needs (like people who need a lot of speed for their storage).
I probably will go for an other solution (I am going back and forth on what I want for over a year) as I trust a good 2.5 inch SSD more than consumer NVMe drives and I really don't care about the speed, only the noise, but I have been looking at these devices as well. And yes, whatever I choose it will be very expensive, but they should last me a decent amount of time and since they are on 24/7 it should be worth it. That said, I need to change out the drives in one of my other NAS'es first, so not sure when I will finally be able to do this.
Completely disagree. The prices per TB are as low as ever, the BIGGEST 4tb nvme pcie 3.0 are now below 200$ and available for basic consumers. Even the gear is way underpriced like this ASUSTOR and targetted at home user.
@@MaartenT I also spent a year thinking about what solution I was going to implement for my business. I finally bought a TVS-H874TX and populated it with 8 16 TB Segate Ironwolf drives and it's a very good solution for what I needed. However, I also dislike the noise it makes and it' may also be too much capacity for what I needed. So a smaller capacity machine like the TBS-h574TX would be just about right for my needs. But I need the extra RAM for running VMs so 16GB just isn't going to cut it. 64 GB would be the minimum I would consider to buy this device. I can live with the Core i5 rather than the Core i9 in the h874tx.
4tb nvme's aren't that expensive at all
both overkill for plex and chill, and for that kinda money your mum and i can both get chicken wings every day for a year.
I mean..my mum doesn't like chicken wings..so..umm.... You can have chicken wings for 2 years and she can just watch...
B&H? Nope; no longer buy anything from NYC. Piss on em.
473rd Thumbs uP