We went from thinking Piccolo was a demon to learning he was an alien then back to learning he’s actually a demon. Man that’s wild. I’m loving this lore dump
Originally though it was because to assume the position of Guardian/God, Kami had to purge himself of all the darkness he acquired living on Earth. In that way King Piccolo was more like an evil spirit given a body. Now he is a double demon.
Dude. He’s split from Kami. Who came to earth in a spaceship. The namekian who forgot his name is even referred to by Guru as “the son of Katas”. It’s like y’all don’t even try to pay attention to the series.
I’m happy they’re putting more focus on the demon realm and it’s denizens, we never really got that much information on them nor did we get many characters from there aside from Dabura, Towa, and some dragon ball heroes stuff. It was a part of the dragon ball universe that was mostly shrouded in mystery, but now we’re finally getting more of it
If Diama is nothing but a big lore dump, I’m here for it. Something the franchise has always desperately needed was great lore to keep it a peak franchise.
Reminder, whatever Neva left guarding the Demon realm, they are strong enough to deny Dabura access to them, so at the very least they are Perfect Cell tier... and seeing how Neva created them, he would have needed to have more power than Dabura when he made them, he seems to fit this "retired monster" old archmage archetype. We were also aware that in the past beings existed that were post universe survival arc level of danger (Moro), not because of martial might, but thru other means such as magic.
One interesting thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Neva is actually sort of tall. If he stood to his full height, he would probably be as tall if not taller than Kami was. Why is this important? Because it seems like most of the really powerful Nameks we have seen are rather tall.
Not really. Dabura received two big power boosts in Z, one after being possesed by Babidi and one when he meditated before fighting Gohan, so Dabura probably was more around Imperfect Cell level, after absorbing thousands of humans.
One thing I don't see getting mentioned is the random face thing that Gomah and Co used to get to the "Outer World", they gave a specific number and after spinning, it exclaims "The outer world!?". That kind of suggests to me that there are other realities that we don't know about. The way the face thing says it gives me the impression that there are other options.
Ι assume the show to be 60 episodes in total and TOEI does not want then to leak the last two thirds. That's why leaks for the first 20 episdoes exist since 2022 but since then there is no information as to what happens next.
Daima: Introducing character that as far as we know, can summon dragonball and reset their cooldown. Me who just watch the Shenron What if: oh boy that universe is doomed.
Daima really has the potential to be the most fun and interesting story Dragon Ball has had in a while. Don't get me wrong I loved the movies and even Super, but this has some serious intrigue and a mystery, and lots of lore.
I interpreted it differently somewhat, moreso with Degesu and Gohma. When Degesu was told he couldn't get a wish, his demeanor seemed to have changed. He showed a determination as he passed by Glorio. I guess we will find out if he makes a wish this week.
Yeah, I'm really at a loss as to what the other wish could be. I also suspect that Gomah is going to try snd "save" the other two wishes and take the dragon balls and Dende back to demon realm
Considering the fact that demon gods are a thing (see also, Demigra from XV1 as an example) and Namekians are basically a species of demon according to Daima, how long until we get a Namekian demon god that basically says "What is a demon king to a demon god?" As for who might be neat to turn into a demon god among the Namekians, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Piccolo getting that form, since A) it's basically an upgrade from his old title of Demon King Piccolo, and because Piccolo's fused with Kami back in the Cell Saga he can call himself Demon Kami Piccolo (For folks wondering what a kami is, it means god. Now bow)
The games and characters in the games are as far removed from the series as DB Heros is. They may choose to pull a character from anywhere, but just like all the past movies, they all fall outside of official canon
What I found interesting is the implication that there seems to be only one single demon realm. given how they had to specify what universe they wanted to go to.
I think it would be super interesting to find out that this 3rd eye artifact was actually something tien stumbled upon during his childhood and was the reason he awakened his 3rd eye. Perhaps with the new found knowledge of the 3rd eye, he can awaken its tru potential and be brought up to the forefront of the story in a future arc
I dunno how I feel about Neva seemingly hijacking the master control and pulling a Dragon Ball summoning out from his ass, with the balls linked to Dende and whatnot, but I suppose I can only see it as him being more competent and naturally, wiser about their powers in conjunction to Namekians.
What got me most excited about Daima before watching was that we're FINALLY learning more about the Demon Realm and it's inhabitants. Ever since they expanded on the Demon race in the games with characters like Towa, Mira, Fu and others from Heroes, it's just made me want to learn more about them.
love gomah being buggy mixed with a better handled garlic jr. & shin having siblings(like degesa being a hype-man version of whis that isn't hesitant to get physical and arinsu being quirkingly nosy.) alongside seeing more of the demon realm(part of me still would love to see towa/fu & the demon realm empire of online/xenoverse/heroes at some point but love we're finally seeing more lore for it.:3) like it having it's own dragonballs guarded by golem robots and coming full circle of the namekians being demons.
Degesu said demons are identified by their pointy ears. Degesu is a GOD with pointy ears. Dodoria had pointy ears and was a mortal. I smell something fishy...
Ooh good catch. I was really interested in the supposed dragon god and their role in the dragon ball's creation, I'd love if they expanded on that properly in Daima
The namekians being from the demon realm makes a ton of sense considering their connection to magic via the dragon clan and their higher than average strength as a warrior.
Is always a good day when Masako upload. I'm curious what connection Gomah had to Dabura that put him next in line for the throne instead of another demon or even Dr Arisu. Also I want to see those Tamagami guardians in action, considering that no demon dared to confront them in combat.
So, now that I wonder, how did the Namekians make the dragon balls? I know they based them off from the Super Dragon balls and were somehow able to reverse ingenire it. But how would have they been able to do that if they couldn't leave the Demon Realm? Did they do that before they were banned to leave? Also, how did they form the Book of Legends? I have so many questions!
Well, the Namekian Book of Legends was most likely written after the Namekian exodus from the Demon Realm. In regards to the connection between the origin of regular dragon balls and origin of the super dragon balls, that's impossible to answer, but if we do get any explanation, it'll either be vague or won't be around the main cast (because they won't know about super dragon balls until years later).
I saw one theory that suggested that Neva's dragon balls were the original ones from made the Super Dragon Balls. My current theory is that the Nameks were likely a sort of servant class of demon who likely rebelled by trying to create their own dragon balls
One thing I latched on to was Gomah and his group kind of grasping onto the whole ear thing when they see Piccolo in the flashback and when they meet Dende, basically saying that pointed ears mean they are from the demon realm. Obviously, I don't think that goes for every pointy eared character, the miriad of beastmen on Earth for one, but also characters like Dodoria and his race, they could have a link to Demons, but they could just as easily be plain old aliens, the Kai for example aren't demons yet they have pointed ears. But what about Pilaf? He's always sort of described as imp like, and imps are a form of lesser demon in real world demonology and other media. Like Masako said, there are some clear character parallels between Gomah and Pilaf, so perhaps Pilaf himself is a Demon or descended from one. We are also clearly being told that Namekians are natives of the Demon realm, and that a number of them fled, Neva seems to be the last surviving Namekian in the Demon realm, so maybe there was some sort of purge the others fled from? King Piccolo is an interesting case, because he always claims to be Demon King Piccolo. Now King Piccolo was the evil expelled from Kami when he tried to become Guardian to Earth, and the nameless Namekian both come from clearly migrated from Namek, being named by Guru as the Son of Katas I believe? So what if the nameless Namekian was aware of their demonic origins, but upon splitting from Kami only King Piccolo retained that information? It could be that when they split each half lost some information and retained others, may Piccolo is the actual name of the nameless Namekian and King Piccolo was the one to remember their original name?
I have a theory about why the Nameks left: Gomah is pretty demanding of Neva. He just demands he drops what he's doing to come on this mission. Then when he gets to the Lookout, he is pretty rude to Dende and just assumes he's going to go along with all of this. I suspect that the Nameks were a sort of servant race to the other demons, which is why they eventually got tired of it and fled.
I can accept Monite and Neva looking the same for no reason cause so did Nail and Piccolo 😉 It is a fun detail how the demons specifically call Namekians "Nameks", which is not the subs being weird, in Japanese they call em "Namekku-jin", which is different from the term "Namekkusei-jin" which is the one they alwaya used in the series so far. This is of course because the demon term would maybe predate Planet Namek (Namekku-sei) itself
I think we also saw one of the Demon Realm dragon balls, it might of been that blood red sphere on that white pedestal in the trailer. They might be swapped colors. Orange starred, red balls. Might have obvious caveats to be the reason the demons didn't just use them to grant their wishes. Since with how powerful Neva is, those dragon balls would be strong enough to do the job. My thoughts either. A. The wisher has to FIGHT to get their wish granted. Or B. A sacrifice must be made, one that can't be wished back, can't be revived, and can't even be reincarnated. Essentially Hakai'd.
I wonder if the dragon of the demon world would grant wishes with less care than Shenron-or even twist the wishes if they're not specific enough. In Daima, Shenron asked for clarification on the specifics of what age to change them to since asking to turn them into kids is too vague.
Yeah, Shenron and Porunga are usually really nice about wishes. They don't seem to like tricking people. It's one of the more unique things about the dragon balls, that they're sort of free of consequence
@@rosesweetcharlotte They do the opposite of a genie, shenron even asks follow up questions if your wish was not concrete enough to make sure that he got things right. very swweet
@@diablo.the.cheateryeah and we know that him doing stuff like that is a choice, as we with Frezia that if he doesn’t like you, he will screw you over.
I know chronologically, Daima takes place before Super (and might decanonize it all together, but that remains to be seen), but the concept of 'Black Wishes' and 'White Wishes' combined with the two Super Movies commenting on how Bulma has been using the Dragon Balls to make selfish wishes, seems to me to almost be some kind of foreshadowing a rehash of GT's Shadow Dragon arc. I don't know exactly where this would occur, and maybe it's just laying out the idea of how the Shadow Dragon's could reasonably happen instead of actually planning on doing it, but it just feels.. odd.
I sort of feel like that is the theme, though. Like, the ultimate lesson for Dragon Ball is Roshi's Turtle School creed: work hard, study well, and eat and sleep plenty Which you can sort of say means to work hard but also enjoy the life around you
Dang, all these mysteries… it’s almost like… the show just started. 😬 Truly though, I do appreciate the shows quality, and willingness to hold back on the more obvious things- dedicating time to revisiting characters and setting them up into episode 2 and on. Very much appreciated the animation, and I do feel a genuine deep care in the work displayed. It would be very interesting to see this story become a type of Dragon Ball GT.
Glad I ain’t the only one when it comes to Neva who got Major lord slug vibes, from the moment I saw him I was thinking a dragon ball super broly situation, in the idea that our big Villain here is a cannon introduction and rewrite of a movie villain, cause outside of Dr. Arinsu who gives Towa vibes, the other two feel more like a Gag duo at the moment, while Neva, well there’s clearly a whole lot more too him than we’ve seen with the incredible magic and machines that respect him and protect the dragon balls, he’s definitely feels like the biggest candidate to me at the moment
the kid wish thing seems to be mainly because they assume that the ki based abilities are magic based in white magic, which is why they assume a "black wish" would not work
Judging by the focus on pointy ears on curious if it's going to turn out that kais originated from the demon realm like a bunch of them got tired of being evil all the time and so left and helped make the mortal universes
If Namekians are somehow actual demons, maybe Saiyans descended from the divine realm….nah I doubt the latter. On a serious note, maybe Zalama the creator of the Super Dragon balls- heavily implied to be Namekian- was the original OG top god and the Grand Supreme Supreme Kai did a coup detet with Zeno being their puppet king and banished the Namekians to the demon realm to solidify their claim
My guess is that the Namekians weren't likely a servant class if demons who stole a chunk of Zalama's dragon ball as a way to try and escape the demon realm. And Zalama has been annoyed with them ever since, hence why he sent a horrific Storm to U7
Regarding the ears, which is used as a argument for declaring Namekians as a demonic species. Core People have spikey ears as well, therefore it is more of a outerworldly trait, than a demonic one. Thus, what elder Moori said in the Granola, may still be true.
Y'know who else could make a resurgence, near the top of my mind now that he's getting a what-if? Spike! Time for the Devilmite Beam to come in handy again. Mwahaha.
Since it is confirmed Demon King Picollo was really a demon, Something tells me he REALLY WAS a king. Picollo is about to be reconized by the Ole Timer. I'm calling it.
So if Namekians originally came from the demon realm, wouldn’t it be safe to say King Piccolo purged the good Kami from himself instead of the other way around?
It's good we get content about what happens in the Buu saga ending to Bulma's birthday party. Wonder how this will play into Supers continuity and open up for other demon realms in other universes/timelines! Also, YES King Piccolo is confirmed to be an actual demon! Makes both Goku and Piccolo stories in Dragon Ball/early Z all the more rewarding as our heroes hearts, and minds changed for the better!
A third eye mcguffin? In my dragon ball? That's crazy, when have we seen a third eye in dragon ball? When, I say, WHEN?! Have we seen a third eye without any kind of explenation of why it is there?
King Piccolo declaring himself a demon might have been a racial memory. Just like how Kami felt the need to create the Dragon Balls despite having no memory of Namek and its culture.
I’m wondering how the Demon Realm is connected to the other universes. Is it like the Sacred Realm of the Kais where there’s a version of it in each universe, or is it one big alternate realm connected to them all?
Neva is just faking being senile he's truly evil....he'll be a lord slugg kinda if he's made guardians stronger than dabura who's cell level then he's the strongest namekian til piccolo gets orange way later
Hear me out. I think we are circling back into Dragon Ball Online/Xenoverse lore here and making some of it canon. Arinsu is very similar to Towa. A demon scientist, Arinsu is Shin's sister and Towa is Dabura's sister. Maybe she becomes Towa or replaces her. Glorio and Mira look exactly the same. Mira is a bio-android created by Towa, androids are usually made from an existing body in DBZ. Maybe Towa takes Glorio and turns him into an android. Namekians coming from the demon realm makes sense, Demon King Piccolo, the evil namekians from dragon ball online. Lastly, compare Gomah and Demigra's appearances. Both pale with red lines under their eyes, horn shape with their hair/hat, and a staff. And look at the crown that Demigra is wearing, it clearly looks like an evil eye. Maybe after Gomah obtains the evil eye he either becomes Demigra or is possessed by him.
MasakoX I just thought about something on the 2nd time watching this episode and that's the 3 demon worlds and maybe how it could connect to the 6 erased universes like maybe Zeno repurpose them to serve a different role to better serve him also calling it now their's going to be 3 sacred realms
Wow just wow the fact we are going into the Demon Realm and Namekian are gaining prominence is Amazing plus we are getting some GT shenanigans via Little Goku & Little Z Fighter Cast
What is interesting is the demon seems to be its own universe seeing how degetsu specified uni 7 as the place they wanted to go. Also it seems the demon realm has a giant fish that can teleport them anywhere or maybe any universe.
There's a couple things I found interesting. Given what is said it seems like even power levels as strong as Super Saiyan are very abnormal for mortals which might seem obvious but it reaches another level when god level beings are voicing surprise and we know they get even stronger later in Super. Namekians being demons also has implications for Piccolo's Namekian Pride form especially considering Dragonballs are now connected to the Demon Realm. I'm really interested to see where they go with these plot points.
Would be funny if the great creator of the super dragon balls is this old namekian, would be a toriyama thing to do. Lool as soon as I wrote this you mentioned Zarama.
@@diablo.the.cheater Mind blown. That actually would explain a lot. Perhaps the dragon balls started as normal tools for demons to ask for things before Zalama made the Super Dragon Balls?
Excuse me Mr Masako, Im a fan of your what if series, what if Goku had a sister with Jocha, and I wanted to try to make Jocha in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 *If* you have any tips, hit me up please and thanks, can’t wait to see more content
The little Pilaf guy was surprised by the Z fighters shooting "light" from their hands. That has implications for the general ability of people in the Demon World.
im struggleing the wrap my head around the fact this happens directly after the buu saga and the lore implications of shin and kabito de fuseing before dragon ball super
Think on the episode more and more it sparks a thought that I feel is a plot hole regarding the wish. The wish was for “The people that defeated Majin Buu and their Allies get turned into children and those already children become babies”. The problem I see with this is that this wish should literally affect every single person on Earth as everyone contributed and help defeat Buu by providing Goku energy for the Spirit Bomb.
I believe the wish was for those who fought Majin Buu. The Earthlings did not fight Majin Buu, but instead provided energy to Goku. idk maybe it will be explained in the next episode.
There is something interesting happening with Neva. So he made 3 guardians for the demon realm to stop people from using the dragon balls. Yet when he comes to Earth he has no problem in instantly gathering and using the dragon balls.
The thing that confuses me about this is getting three wishes from the Dragon balls on Earth. In Z, Dende made it so that you could get two wishes so they could get multiple people resurrected at the same time. But then in superhero the dragon was only willing to Grant one wish. And now that we're in Daima ,all of a sudden, the dragon can grant three wishes. It's the biggest inconsistency that I have heard no one talk about.
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Amazing work as always masako
King Abura means King Oil in Japanese. Demon realm is literally america
can you do a what if about gohan having a twin sister that loves to fight from the beginning.
Masako, they did say that point ears=demon realm... Oozaru have pointy ears...
What if Beerus had a daughter that survived
DBZA Piccolo: I liked it better when I was a demon
Toriyama: _Interesting_
And I liked it when I had better bladder control we arnt perfect
Toriyama: Write that down! WRITE THAT DON'T!
that certainly aged well. Im cool with it.
Dragon Ball Daima: *introduces new lore*
MasakoX and Fanfic Writers: "It's a free real estate!"
MasakoX is the Game Theorists of DBZ 😂
I'm over here cheering. Haha
It’s a Goku level all you can eat buffet!!
Dragon ball discussions about a new dragon ball series. Oh, how I missed you.
F1 is nice but Dragonball is Dragonball
We went from thinking Piccolo was a demon to learning he was an alien then back to learning he’s actually a demon. Man that’s wild. I’m loving this lore dump
technically demons are still an alien race tho
And Garlic Jr was Elite Demon Class,the strongest of them all.
Multiple things can be true at the same time he could be an alien and also a demon
@@steakdrivenI mean, most Nameks now are from the planet Namek, so they're effectively aliens of demonic origin
@@steakdriven He is in fact an alien, a literal demon and a metaphorical inner demon
I guess Namekians are really descended from demon realm. No wonder King Piccolo referred himself as a demon.
A cool addition, but i feel like i'm seeing you everywhere these past couple of days
Originally though it was because to assume the position of Guardian/God, Kami had to purge himself of all the darkness he acquired living on Earth. In that way King Piccolo was more like an evil spirit given a body. Now he is a double demon.
Dude. He’s split from Kami. Who came to earth in a spaceship. The namekian who forgot his name is even referred to by Guru as “the son of Katas”. It’s like y’all don’t even try to pay attention to the series.
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@@theinformist232 We all know that dude, what he's saying is that we didn't know that the demon king piccolo ACTUALLY had demonic roots.
I’m happy they’re putting more focus on the demon realm and it’s denizens, we never really got that much information on them nor did we get many characters from there aside from Dabura, Towa, and some dragon ball heroes stuff. It was a part of the dragon ball universe that was mostly shrouded in mystery, but now we’re finally getting more of it
Heroes tried
Toryama made a dude called dabura, and made his father "abura". This is peak fiction 🔥🔥🔥🔥
And probably his son eould be named kadabura
@@CERISTHEDEVyou've cooked my brother
@@CERISTHEDEV alakazam* as a dabura is already the (ka)dabura part of que equaton
Cant wait to meer Daburas mother namesd Ka
yes very awesome
If Diama is nothing but a big lore dump, I’m here for it.
Something the franchise has always desperately needed was great lore to keep it a peak franchise.
I mean there always been lore
Great start to an amazing series. Raditz cameo was a highlight of course! Can't wait For the next episode
Degesu: *slaps Dende*.
Goku: *trauma flashback* SIXTH RULE OF POPO'S TRAINING!
Reminder, whatever Neva left guarding the Demon realm, they are strong enough to deny Dabura access to them, so at the very least they are Perfect Cell tier... and seeing how Neva created them, he would have needed to have more power than Dabura when he made them, he seems to fit this "retired monster" old archmage archetype. We were also aware that in the past beings existed that were post universe survival arc level of danger (Moro), not because of martial might, but thru other means such as magic.
One interesting thing I haven't seen anyone mention is that Neva is actually sort of tall. If he stood to his full height, he would probably be as tall if not taller than Kami was. Why is this important? Because it seems like most of the really powerful Nameks we have seen are rather tall.
Not really. Dabura received two big power boosts in Z, one after being possesed by Babidi and one when he meditated before fighting Gohan, so Dabura probably was more around Imperfect Cell level, after absorbing thousands of humans.
XxI in Dragonball Multiverse Fanmanga fits that Category since he devoured his Universe as stated by Elder Kai.
One thing I don't see getting mentioned is the random face thing that Gomah and Co used to get to the "Outer World", they gave a specific number and after spinning, it exclaims "The outer world!?".
That kind of suggests to me that there are other realities that we don't know about. The way the face thing says it gives me the impression that there are other options.
Ι assume the show to be 60 episodes in total and TOEI does not want then to leak the last two thirds. That's why leaks for the first 20 episdoes exist since 2022 but since then there is no information as to what happens next.
Daima: Introducing character that as far as we know, can summon dragonball and reset their cooldown.
Me who just watch the Shenron What if: oh boy that universe is doomed.
Huge mounds with lore
Pinkish firmly shaped lore….what were we talking about again
Lol
Arinsu, apparently.
Great pillowy mounts of mashed potatoes?
Daima really has the potential to be the most fun and interesting story Dragon Ball has had in a while. Don't get me wrong I loved the movies and even Super, but this has some serious intrigue and a mystery, and lots of lore.
I interpreted it differently somewhat, moreso with Degesu and Gohma. When Degesu was told he couldn't get a wish, his demeanor seemed to have changed. He showed a determination as he passed by Glorio. I guess we will find out if he makes a wish this week.
Yeah, I'm really at a loss as to what the other wish could be. I also suspect that Gomah is going to try snd "save" the other two wishes and take the dragon balls and Dende back to demon realm
Watch Neva be the last common ancestor of all known Namekians.
So the retcon was reconned and all Namekians are creatures from descendants of escapees from the Demon realm. Okay, we are consistently inconsistent.
Say, just realized something…does Dende look like his younger self in Daima? Like, he looks shorter than he looked in the Buu Saga.
Considering the fact that demon gods are a thing (see also, Demigra from XV1 as an example) and Namekians are basically a species of demon according to Daima, how long until we get a Namekian demon god that basically says "What is a demon king to a demon god?"
As for who might be neat to turn into a demon god among the Namekians, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Piccolo getting that form, since A) it's basically an upgrade from his old title of Demon King Piccolo, and because Piccolo's fused with Kami back in the Cell Saga he can call himself Demon Kami Piccolo (For folks wondering what a kami is, it means god. Now bow)
The games and characters in the games are as far removed from the series as DB Heros is. They may choose to pull a character from anywhere, but just like all the past movies, they all fall outside of official canon
But we already have that, Kami and Dende. They are gods due to their position as guardians of earth and demons due to their namekian heritage
I loved the glitch out preventing a Zalama rant lol
What I found interesting is the implication that there seems to be only one single demon realm. given how they had to specify what universe they wanted to go to.
I think it would be super interesting to find out that this 3rd eye artifact was actually something tien stumbled upon during his childhood and was the reason he awakened his 3rd eye. Perhaps with the new found knowledge of the 3rd eye, he can awaken its tru potential and be brought up to the forefront of the story in a future arc
Remember ole timer was promised to have a thousand years of youth restored.
He's about to be a strong boi.
Gomah didn't promise him youth, he just said he would live for another 1000.
Lord Slug' Its Good to be Young.'
Yep! Much lore to explore MASAKO! Thanks For all your hardwork! You're the Best ❤❤❤❤
Why is everyone forgetting that kami literally did everything Neva did in DB
Toriyama's last contribution to the Dragon Ball universe is to make Namekians demons again. What an absolute legend.
The next movie will be his last contribution. He already wrote it.
@@aaront2192NEXT MOVIE???
@@CERISTHEDEV Yes
Full circle!!
I dunno how I feel about Neva seemingly hijacking the master control and pulling a Dragon Ball summoning out from his ass, with the balls linked to Dende and whatnot, but I suppose I can only see it as him being more competent and naturally, wiser about their powers in conjunction to Namekians.
What got me most excited about Daima before watching was that we're FINALLY learning more about the Demon Realm and it's inhabitants. Ever since they expanded on the Demon race in the games with characters like Towa, Mira, Fu and others from Heroes, it's just made me want to learn more about them.
love gomah being buggy mixed with a better handled garlic jr. & shin having siblings(like degesa being a hype-man version of whis that isn't hesitant to get physical and arinsu being quirkingly nosy.) alongside seeing more of the demon realm(part of me still would love to see towa/fu & the demon realm empire of online/xenoverse/heroes at some point but love we're finally seeing more lore for it.:3) like it having it's own dragonballs guarded by golem robots and coming full circle of the namekians being demons.
Degesu said demons are identified by their pointy ears. Degesu is a GOD with pointy ears. Dodoria had pointy ears and was a mortal.
I smell something fishy...
THANKS FOR THIS MASAKO! loved the first episode! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Masako DEMON KING PICCOLO WAS REALLY A DEMON!!!!! That revelation is phenomenal to me and can’t wait to work it into stories!!!
Ooh good catch. I was really interested in the supposed dragon god and their role in the dragon ball's creation, I'd love if they expanded on that properly in Daima
The namekians being from the demon realm makes a ton of sense considering their connection to magic via the dragon clan and their higher than average strength as a warrior.
Plus their fangs and claw-like nails.
Is always a good day when Masako upload.
I'm curious what connection Gomah had to Dabura that put him next in line for the throne instead of another demon or even Dr Arisu.
Also I want to see those Tamagami guardians in action, considering that no demon dared to confront them in combat.
I have to wonder if it's a family thing? Maybe he's a cousin or something?
if they bring in the black star dragon balls (GT) as the new ones this would kinda force GT into cannon.
So, now that I wonder, how did the Namekians make the dragon balls? I know they based them off from the Super Dragon balls and were somehow able to reverse ingenire it.
But how would have they been able to do that if they couldn't leave the Demon Realm? Did they do that before they were banned to leave?
Also, how did they form the Book of Legends? I have so many questions!
Well, the Namekian Book of Legends was most likely written after the Namekian exodus from the Demon Realm.
In regards to the connection between the origin of regular dragon balls and origin of the super dragon balls, that's impossible to answer, but if we do get any explanation, it'll either be vague or won't be around the main cast (because they won't know about super dragon balls until years later).
I saw one theory that suggested that Neva's dragon balls were the original ones from made the Super Dragon Balls. My current theory is that the Nameks were likely a sort of servant class of demon who likely rebelled by trying to create their own dragon balls
One thing I latched on to was Gomah and his group kind of grasping onto the whole ear thing when they see Piccolo in the flashback and when they meet Dende, basically saying that pointed ears mean they are from the demon realm.
Obviously, I don't think that goes for every pointy eared character, the miriad of beastmen on Earth for one, but also characters like Dodoria and his race, they could have a link to Demons, but they could just as easily be plain old aliens, the Kai for example aren't demons yet they have pointed ears. But what about Pilaf? He's always sort of described as imp like, and imps are a form of lesser demon in real world demonology and other media. Like Masako said, there are some clear character parallels between Gomah and Pilaf, so perhaps Pilaf himself is a Demon or descended from one.
We are also clearly being told that Namekians are natives of the Demon realm, and that a number of them fled, Neva seems to be the last surviving Namekian in the Demon realm, so maybe there was some sort of purge the others fled from?
King Piccolo is an interesting case, because he always claims to be Demon King Piccolo. Now King Piccolo was the evil expelled from Kami when he tried to become Guardian to Earth, and the nameless Namekian both come from clearly migrated from Namek, being named by Guru as the Son of Katas I believe? So what if the nameless Namekian was aware of their demonic origins, but upon splitting from Kami only King Piccolo retained that information? It could be that when they split each half lost some information and retained others, may Piccolo is the actual name of the nameless Namekian and King Piccolo was the one to remember their original name?
I have a theory about why the Nameks left: Gomah is pretty demanding of Neva. He just demands he drops what he's doing to come on this mission. Then when he gets to the Lookout, he is pretty rude to Dende and just assumes he's going to go along with all of this. I suspect that the Nameks were a sort of servant race to the other demons, which is why they eventually got tired of it and fled.
I can accept Monite and Neva looking the same for no reason cause so did Nail and Piccolo 😉
It is a fun detail how the demons specifically call Namekians "Nameks", which is not the subs being weird, in Japanese they call em "Namekku-jin", which is different from the term "Namekkusei-jin" which is the one they alwaya used in the series so far.
This is of course because the demon term would maybe predate Planet Namek (Namekku-sei) itself
I think we also saw one of the Demon Realm dragon balls, it might of been that blood red sphere on that white pedestal in the trailer.
They might be swapped colors. Orange starred, red balls.
Might have obvious caveats to be the reason the demons didn't just use them to grant their wishes.
Since with how powerful Neva is, those dragon balls would be strong enough to do the job.
My thoughts either. A. The wisher has to FIGHT to get their wish granted.
Or B. A sacrifice must be made, one that can't be wished back, can't be revived, and can't even be reincarnated. Essentially Hakai'd.
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I wonder if the dragon of the demon world would grant wishes with less care than Shenron-or even twist the wishes if they're not specific enough. In Daima, Shenron asked for clarification on the specifics of what age to change them to since asking to turn them into kids is too vague.
Yeah, Shenron and Porunga are usually really nice about wishes. They don't seem to like tricking people. It's one of the more unique things about the dragon balls, that they're sort of free of consequence
@@rosesweetcharlotte They do the opposite of a genie, shenron even asks follow up questions if your wish was not concrete enough to make sure that he got things right. very swweet
@@diablo.the.cheateryeah and we know that him doing stuff like that is a choice, as we with Frezia that if he doesn’t like you, he will screw you over.
I'll just say i don't think it's an accident that Glorio's design basically screams Miira but less badass.
i am soo use to you being in the attic because of your f1 channel so its nice to see you in an actual office for a change
I know chronologically, Daima takes place before Super (and might decanonize it all together, but that remains to be seen), but the concept of 'Black Wishes' and 'White Wishes' combined with the two Super Movies commenting on how Bulma has been using the Dragon Balls to make selfish wishes, seems to me to almost be some kind of foreshadowing a rehash of GT's Shadow Dragon arc. I don't know exactly where this would occur, and maybe it's just laying out the idea of how the Shadow Dragon's could reasonably happen instead of actually planning on doing it, but it just feels.. odd.
I love that theres no Running theme or a lesson to learn.
Its a story of characters living their chaotic life
I sort of feel like that is the theme, though. Like, the ultimate lesson for Dragon Ball is Roshi's Turtle School creed: work hard, study well, and eat and sleep plenty
Which you can sort of say means to work hard but also enjoy the life around you
so it's no coincidence, Degesu resembles Kaioshin, they are siblings
Dang, all these mysteries… it’s almost like… the show just started. 😬 Truly though, I do appreciate the shows quality, and willingness to hold back on the more obvious things- dedicating time to revisiting characters and setting them up into episode 2 and on. Very much appreciated the animation, and I do feel a genuine deep care in the work displayed. It would be very interesting to see this story become a type of Dragon Ball GT.
Wait.... wait wait wait .....
the nameless nameless
Namekian is likely going to get a freaking name! His real name!
Glad I ain’t the only one when it comes to Neva who got Major lord slug vibes, from the moment I saw him I was thinking a dragon ball super broly situation, in the idea that our big Villain here is a cannon introduction and rewrite of a movie villain, cause outside of Dr. Arinsu who gives Towa vibes, the other two feel more like a Gag duo at the moment, while Neva, well there’s clearly a whole lot more too him than we’ve seen with the incredible magic and machines that respect him and protect the dragon balls, he’s definitely feels like the biggest candidate to me at the moment
the kid wish thing seems to be mainly because they assume that the ki based abilities are magic based in white magic, which is why they assume a "black wish" would not work
Judging by the focus on pointy ears on curious if it's going to turn out that kais originated from the demon realm like a bunch of them got tired of being evil all the time and so left and helped make the mortal universes
Hm, what an interesting development, i will look forward to see what’s next?
I wonder if we’ll eventually get some kind of reference to Towa?
Too much lore is better than the downright betrayal of the lore in super
Lovely to have you talking Dragon Ball again.
If Namekians are somehow actual demons, maybe Saiyans descended from the divine realm….nah I doubt the latter.
On a serious note, maybe Zalama the creator of the Super Dragon balls- heavily implied to be Namekian- was the original OG top god and the Grand Supreme Supreme Kai did a coup detet with Zeno being their puppet king and banished the Namekians to the demon realm to solidify their claim
My guess is that the Namekians weren't likely a servant class if demons who stole a chunk of Zalama's dragon ball as a way to try and escape the demon realm. And Zalama has been annoyed with them ever since, hence why he sent a horrific Storm to U7
Regarding the ears, which is used as a argument for declaring Namekians as a demonic species. Core People have spikey ears as well, therefore it is more of a outerworldly trait, than a demonic one.
Thus, what elder Moori said in the Granola, may still be true.
Y'know who else could make a resurgence, near the top of my mind now that he's getting a what-if?
Spike! Time for the Devilmite Beam to come in handy again. Mwahaha.
We gonna be seeing these characters in any "what ifs" soon enough? Heh
This is essentially what this story and I love it
Since it is confirmed Demon King Picollo was really a demon,
Something tells me he REALLY WAS a king.
Picollo is about to be reconized by the Ole Timer. I'm calling it.
But the Nameless Namekian was born thousands of years after?
@@rosesweetcharlotte source?
@@ThisDudeMoe We know Katas sent his son away during the catastrophe that almost eliminated the race
So if Namekians originally came from the demon realm, wouldn’t it be safe to say King Piccolo purged the good Kami from himself instead of the other way around?
It's hard to say. I'm not sure if just being demons makes them bad, especially since most of the Nameks we have met are perfectly nice people
Didn’t kami an early Dragon Ball, revitalize of the dragon balls I had a schedule
Neva is definitely the Big Bad. He is clearly making himself look weaker than he really is.
Also 3000 years Old.
It's good we get content about what happens in the Buu saga ending to Bulma's birthday party. Wonder how this will play into Supers continuity and open up for other demon realms in other universes/timelines!
Also, YES King Piccolo is confirmed to be an actual demon! Makes both Goku and Piccolo stories in Dragon Ball/early Z all the more rewarding as our heroes hearts, and minds changed for the better!
What is funnier is that Kami is confirmed to be an actual demon as well.
Dragonball Daima is introducing so much new lore the Namekians being from the Demon Realm is pretty interesting.
A third eye mcguffin? In my dragon ball? That's crazy, when have we seen a third eye in dragon ball? When, I say, WHEN?! Have we seen a third eye without any kind of explenation of why it is there?
King Piccolo declaring himself a demon might have been a racial memory. Just like how Kami felt the need to create the Dragon Balls despite having no memory of Namek and its culture.
They're also just rather scary looking. Like, why does a race of slug people have fangs and claws?
Your telling me those green plants were really demons
I’m wondering how the Demon Realm is connected to the other universes. Is it like the Sacred Realm of the Kais where there’s a version of it in each universe, or is it one big alternate realm connected to them all?
Neva is just faking being senile he's truly evil....he'll be a lord slugg kinda if he's made guardians stronger than dabura who's cell level then he's the strongest namekian til piccolo gets orange way later
Hear me out.
I think we are circling back into Dragon Ball Online/Xenoverse lore here and making some of it canon.
Arinsu is very similar to Towa. A demon scientist, Arinsu is Shin's sister and Towa is Dabura's sister. Maybe she becomes Towa or replaces her.
Glorio and Mira look exactly the same. Mira is a bio-android created by Towa, androids are usually made from an existing body in DBZ. Maybe Towa takes Glorio and turns him into an android.
Namekians coming from the demon realm makes sense, Demon King Piccolo, the evil namekians from dragon ball online.
Lastly, compare Gomah and Demigra's appearances. Both pale with red lines under their eyes, horn shape with their hair/hat, and a staff. And look at the crown that Demigra is wearing, it clearly looks like an evil eye. Maybe after Gomah obtains the evil eye he either becomes Demigra or is possessed by him.
Demigra also appears in Super Dragonball heroes Anime strangely as a Ally in the Fight against Demon King Fuu
MasakoX I just thought about something on the 2nd time watching this episode and that's the 3 demon worlds and maybe how it could connect to the 6 erased universes like maybe Zeno repurpose them to serve a different role to better serve him also calling it now their's going to be 3 sacred realms
I feel like dragon ball heroes coming to life with the demon realm in focus. the young boy looks like mira as a kid
Same with me
In before we find out that the previous Demon King himself had a son, Alakazam
I think Gomah and Degesu may end up working with our heroes. Arinsu and Neva seem far more dangerous.
Yeah, Gomah only went along with this because Arinsu pointed out that the Z Team is dangerous.
Given the lack of earrings, they’re not Makaioshin, as they have earrings. That explains why they are working for the lesser Makaio.
Wow just wow the fact we are going into the Demon Realm and Namekian are gaining prominence is Amazing plus we are getting some GT shenanigans via Little Goku & Little Z Fighter Cast
With dragonball being more demon oriented, it makes more sense to shadow dragon in GT (even tho it might be from different continuity).
Black magic corrupting Dbs makes sense
What if frieza from resurrection F had the whole entire Quincy army on his side from a thousand year blood war?
I tought the occulus was a third eye, Naruto-esc technique that make the person very powerful.
What is interesting is the demon seems to be its own universe seeing how degetsu specified uni 7 as the place they wanted to go. Also it seems the demon realm has a giant fish that can teleport them anywhere or maybe any universe.
it was an interesting slow burn start should be a fun... hopefully
There's a couple things I found interesting. Given what is said it seems like even power levels as strong as Super Saiyan are very abnormal for mortals which might seem obvious but it reaches another level when god level beings are voicing surprise and we know they get even stronger later in Super. Namekians being demons also has implications for Piccolo's Namekian Pride form especially considering Dragonballs are now connected to the Demon Realm. I'm really interested to see where they go with these plot points.
Ngl with piccolo now actuslly being a demon
I immediately thought about a red piccolo form to keep with the green then lime then orange
Calling it now, Dr. Arinsu isn't actually a villain, she's just trying to find a way to get eternal youth or something like Bulma.
Would be funny if the great creator of the super dragon balls is this old namekian, would be a toriyama thing to do.
Lool as soon as I wrote this you mentioned Zarama.
My guess is that Neva probably did make the original Dragon Balls stolen from Zalama's set
@@rosesweetcharlotte That or even crazier, maybe HIS dragonballs predate the super dragon balls. It would make kind of sense if you think about it.
@@diablo.the.cheater Mind blown. That actually would explain a lot. Perhaps the dragon balls started as normal tools for demons to ask for things before Zalama made the Super Dragon Balls?
Excuse me Mr Masako, Im a fan of your what if series, what if Goku had a sister with Jocha, and I wanted to try to make Jocha in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 *If* you have any tips, hit me up please and thanks, can’t wait to see more content
I lore this expansion to the lore for dragon ball world with Daima it’s really amazing and badass in my opinion.
I really love that Daima is fully exploring Dragon Ball's Demon Realm
The little Pilaf guy was surprised by the Z fighters shooting "light" from their hands. That has implications for the general ability of people in the Demon World.
We know Nameks can generally use ki blasts, but most normal humans can't. But then, most of the Z Team were taught by a Namek, be it Kami or Piccolo
im struggleing the wrap my head around the fact this happens directly after the buu saga and the lore implications of shin and kabito de fuseing before dragon ball super
That's my thoughts too with the Buu saga
Okay but when are they gonna show towa?
the thumbnail just screams...
"STOP IT!!!!!"
Think on the episode more and more it sparks a thought that I feel is a plot hole regarding the wish. The wish was for “The people that defeated Majin Buu and their Allies get turned into children and those already children become babies”. The problem I see with this is that this wish should literally affect every single person on Earth as everyone contributed and help defeat Buu by providing Goku energy for the Spirit Bomb.
I believe the wish was for those who fought Majin Buu. The Earthlings did not fight Majin Buu, but instead provided energy to Goku. idk maybe it will be explained in the next episode.
There is something interesting happening with Neva. So he made 3 guardians for the demon realm to stop people from using the dragon balls.
Yet when he comes to Earth he has no problem in instantly gathering and using the dragon balls.
When I saw the popo scene I couldn’t help but laugh and think he had LSD in that juice 😂😂
All these squares make a circle… All these squares make a circle… All these squares make a circle…
The thing that confuses me about this is getting three wishes from the Dragon balls on Earth. In Z, Dende made it so that you could get two wishes so they could get multiple people resurrected at the same time. But then in superhero the dragon was only willing to Grant one wish. And now that we're in Daima ,all of a sudden, the dragon can grant three wishes. It's the biggest inconsistency that I have heard no one talk about.
I'm just happy you predicted the demon realm being explored