Something nobody is thinking is cuts, the water probably took more time to get there than 60 seconds, Elsa would still have to go fast but not supersonic
What if the 60 seconds of movie time is a much longer in-universe time though? Average speed of a Tsunami near land is around 20-30 mph, which I'd say is probably more accurate to how fast this water is flowing, so that would mean in the 60sec of movie time, ~2.5 hours pass, which means that Else only had to be going at a blistering..... 65mph... Roughly how fast you drive on the free way, in order to stop it like she did. Oh, and a NORMAL horse has a max speed of 55mph, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch for a water demon horse to travel much faster than that... in water.... So I'd say, based on realistic time periods of movement, and movie time cutting out the 2.5 hours it takes for the water to travel (because who wants to watch that?), it's actually a lot more realistic.
I was thinking the exact same thing, especially as he already pointed out in this video that their travels to the north must have been much longer than was shown
Right? That's exactly what I was thinking. There are likely a very, very small amount, if any, movies that portray every amount of time in movie time. (Also I'm sorry but spirit horse, not demon horse, the horse wasn't a demon I just had to say that)
@parkwayninja also sonic boom means (pretty much) all windows scatter. and mach 12(12xspeedofsound) would probably destroy Arendel through the explosive sonic boom. note: I don't have a physics degree.... still pretty sure tho....
So if that water could cut metal because of how fast it was moving, does that mean Aang and Katara were bending water at super sonic speed in the episode where they destroy the drill?
Technically this depends more on the type of metal being cut but overall yes - a quick google shows that most plain water jets used commercially today spit out pressurized water at around 900 mph whereas the speed of sound (at sea level at 59 F (15 C)) is 712 mph. however, it is also entirely possible that as benders they could change the density of the water and so be able to mimic the pressure water would normally reach at high speed at a much slower speed
7:15 have you guys considered that the travel time WASN'T 60 seconds? Like maybe, JUST MAYBE, movies tend to skip over long scenes with absolutely no plot development, "like a scene where Elsa continuously rides a water horse," to save money on voice overs and animation? Just something to think about while Elsa's horse breaks the sonic barrier.
Also when we see the water it is clearly not moving that fast when it is approaching the castle. If the water was traveling at that speed it should have been blasting apart the rock walls of the ravine. Lastly, there is no clear reason as to how the water got up to that speed. I looked up the water speed for a real life dam collapse and found a speed of about 1/4 miles a minute. Meaning at that speed it would have taken close to 5.3 hours, not 60 seconds.
Furthermore, you could actually calculate the speed based on what we see in the movie. For example, we know Elsa's height. So we could use that to figure out the distance from her to the wave (when seeing it from the side as she blocks it) and how long it took to reach her. It would be far closer to the 1/4 miles suggested above by Spike Hammer. TLDR; Their maths guy needs his own maths department.
THANK YOU! It's like the SCB suddenly forgot how movies work! Next thing, they'll be telling us how Carl went from a young kid to an old man in four minutes!
Ummm the actual speed doesn’t matter. Elsa is montaged as well, so it’s for comparison. Irl it is much slower. Although the moon stuff and the 7x speed of sound doesn’t actually make sense-
Why did this come up while I was watching Frozen? Jay, Ben, are you guys watching me? Or maybe you’re in touch with the FBI Agent assigned to my phone?
@@SuperCarlinBrothers math budget missed a calculation....the pull of the water would have helped with Her momentum. Not to mention she is working WITH the water spirit to stop the flood
As someone who knows a lot about physics, and having a mom who’s a physics teacher, it physically hurts to hear you not using the metric system for the math.
As someone who comes from a country that uses the metric system I simply have no clue what any of the distances and speeds mentioned in the movie really are.
@@kiminimuchu__ but the us does use metric, for bullets:P, but i have seen images where they measure the size of a hole in caravans, they use anything but metric
I know right!! i can't believe SCB didn't at least put up the metrics conversions on the screen! The rest of the world can't really internalise imperial units!!!
I just kinda assumed that the actual movie time and the in-universe time were different. How fast would a wave like that travel in real life? Still requires Elsa to be going super fast though.
It doesnt make sense because It couldnt happen inside the mythos that they have created. Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa took longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
As to the question "How long would it take in real life?" I looked up the speed of one dam failure and found that it had a speed of 1/4 miles per minute. Meaning it would have taken almost 5.3 hours. Of course the water surge in the movie could be faster but it is unlikely to make that 60 second mark.
You are assuming that we see the wave since it starts up until it ends, it may well have lasted longer for it to get to Arendelle, we just didn't need to see that. As for the speed of the horse... well it would still be incredibly fast, but I suppose that the spirit that represents water will be just as fast as water itself can travel.
I feel like EVERYONE forgets that Elsa can also make ice and snow melt, including the sequel. She learned that with the power of love she was able to reverse the cold she had created out of fear and grief. I think she definitely had a natural affinity to the cold but also that she just always had so much stress and fear in her life that she didn’t have a chance to learn anything else. Because actually her powers aren’t just based on cold weather, designing and the creating of life, but she controls different temperatures and can conjure or form different molecules from thin air.
Everything else aside, there was an early tie in book, Sisters Like Me, that says Elsa loves geometry. That, combined with her line about "frozen fractals" suggests that yeah, she probably knew enough about architecture, math, and science to make a relatively stable ice castle. Or at least fake it for a bit.
Fun fact day 66: The quietest room in the world in Minnesota is measured in negative decibels - so quiet that you can hear your own heartbeat and your bones moving.
Also Elsa’s magical ability to make dresses in her ice talents is interesting. I’m so glad you guys addressed how she was able to get to places so quickly, especially considering she’s coming back from the dead.
The speed of the water issue has already been addressed in the comments, but the other issue is we don't know exactly when Elsa unfroze. Was is when the dam completely broke? when the first boulder hit? when the giant throws the rock? sometime before when the decision to break the dam was made? This would give Elsa a headstart on racing back to Arendelle.
Movie editing is meant to make a longer period of time feel like a shorter period of time. I don't think you're supposed to see that as a realtime chase across half of Norway. Would probably be better to figure out how fast water would in reality travel that distance and then figure out how fast Elsa would have to have been riding to catch up.
So you chose to calculate the speed of the water based on movie seconds rather than actual data on how fast water would travel in a situation of this kind? That's a rather odd choice for a theory trying to actually calculate Elsa's real speed, specially when you're at the same time trying to argue which real life type of ice would be strong enough to hold this not-real life water speed...
So I have a few criticisms of this theory 1. We cannot equate movie time with real time. 2. We do not know that this takes place on Earth. Even if it does, we do not know that they measure latitude in the same way we do, and we cannot vouch for the accuracy of the map.
This whole theory is based on the fact that Movie time is always exactly the same as screentime. By that logic, Elsa and Anna should be nearly 600 yrs old by the end of the first movie because the song "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" shows the girls aging about 5 years every onscreen minute.
Technically I believe she had the water spirit’s help to stop that wave as a co-effort of ice and water. She creates the super ice and the horse pushes back the water itself as well, providing more than just travel aid. Still.. that’s some speed to get there in time!
Okay. I just rewatched this scene. And here me out.. it's not that the horse is supersonic, it's that it can transport through water. It's a water Spirit, so it isn't unreasonable that it can be found in any body of water. In the scene where you see the water coming towards arendelle, you see elsa and the water Spirit spring up from the water. I think the water Spirit transported them from ahtohollan to the tidal wave.
@@SuperCarlinBrothers . Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa could've taken longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
How about we summon "Film Theory" channel to this video to do some help on the space ice. MattPat if you are there: "Can ice survive the wave?" Like, so he will see.
9:56 Ok, here’s some physics knowledge for ya. You can go just about as fast as you want and be ok, the problem is acceleration. If you look at Newton’s 2nd Law, Force=mass*acceleration, you can see that the important factor in calculating force is acceleration not velocity. Accelerate too fast and you’d be crushed by the resultant forces. The other problem here is wind resistance. To put it simply, a person on a horse is not very aerodynamic and Elsa&horse are traveling at MACH 12. It’s rare for fighter pilots to survive ejecting at MACH 1. Planes and Spacecraft are designed to reach high speeds through air, people/horses are not. Here is an account of Air Force pilot Capt. Brian Udell, one of the only pilots in history to survive after ejecting from a fighter at supersonic speeds. “It felt like somebody had just hit me with a train,” said Udell. “When I went out into the wind stream, it ripped my helmet right off my head, broke all the blood vessels in my head and face, my head was swollen the size of a basketball and my lips were the size of cucumbers. My left elbow was dislocated and pointed backward, the only thing holding my leg on was an artery, the vein, the nerve and the skin and my left leg snapped at the bottom half.” His body was essentially being torn apart by the wind. I like physics better when air resistance is negligible... :(
It doesnt make sense because It couldnt happen inside the mythos that they have created. Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa took longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
Dimitri Nath I know, I just like to over complicate things ;) And the bro’s seemed to need some help with their physics; gotta conserve the math budget.
I would have assumed that the minute screen time didn't translate to a minute in travel time? Id rather see how fast water should go on a path like that, and compare how fast Elsa must be going to that number.
the Lake Missoula flood (pre historic ice dam broke) traveled at a top speed of 80mph, we can assume that is the upper limit for this flood, so it took 1 hour for the water to reach town. this puts Elsa at a nice 156mph, still respectable if not quite as fast as sound
As I’m sure someone already commented, this theory is also implying that the length of time for the water to get to Arendale and the length of time passed in the movie are the same. And we have no reason to think that. Not to mention that we see the speed of the wave after it passes into the valley where Arendale hits, and it is clearly not going that fast. This means that there was a time skip from the time the dam broke to the time the wave arrived at Arendale. #debbiedowner
!!! 62°N is my city's latitude! I always thought Arendelle was supposed to be Arendal way down the south coast, but my city Ålesund is at that latitude, neat!
Pretty sure the water isn’t actually traveling as fast as they calculate from the screen time. There’s probably a natural rate of flow that could be looked up to determine the actual speed of the water. And then Elsa’s speed could be recalculated based on that.
I looked up how fast flash floods and the fastest rivers flow, and they’re both on the order of about 3 meters per second, which is about 0.2% the 1.3 miles per second speed they estimate, which makes Elsa’s speed below 20 miles per hour, which needless to day is well below the speed of sound.
Of course, using a more realistic speed of water, that also means that flood which took 60 seconds of screen time actually took over 9 hours in-universe. And apparently even normal non-magical horses can run about 55mph. So maybe lets split the difference and say the flood was faster than realistic but slower than shown on screen, thus Elsa’s magic sea horse can run faster than a real horse but still not faster than the speed of sound.
They should’ve either -had Elsa teleport if there’s going to be a Yeah THAT still suspends disbelief... Convenience -or. Actually destroyed and rebuilt Arendelle But the real question is...if the water’s moving That Fast with Force how...did Anna and Mattias and Co survive when they’re literally standing ontop when it breaks and have it crumpling underneath them
can't lie, my thoughts and considerations consist of being one of the first to the super carlin brother videos and nausea (popcorn culture inside joke, like this if you understand go listen if you dont)
Something even more impressive then her speed is her acceleration. Giving her the benefit of the doubt when she stopped she pulled 46 Gs. This means that she experienced a force 46 times greater then the force of gravity
Cool theory, but one small problem: you didn't account for friction or air resistance in you water speed calculations. The water would have expoentionally slowed down while it was traveling, so it would have had to start much faster than what you accounted for in your calculation. I think you should pay you math budget again, lol.
while I definitely agree that she clearly had to travel farther than the water traveled from the dam. Wouldn't it make more sense that it wasn't an actual 60 Seconds and it was time elapsed as well. I don't believe water that releases from a dam break would go that fast. It would be more interesting if you could figure out how fast that water would be going and based off that figure out how fast Elsa was actually going
Last time I was this early dinosaurs existed! Edit: J and Ben your channel is amazing and when you upload it makes me so happy! Thank you for doing what you do.
I am here watching SuperCarlinBrothers to help me pass the time for when Seamus Gorman will make a Disney Sequels video about Cinderella 3. But all the same, this is still a great video!
This whole theory hinges on the assumption (7:10) that sixty seconds of movie time = sixty seconds of in-world time. This is not necessarily the case. Time in movies is slowed down or sped up for the benefit of the audience, not for the benefit of the characters. Shirley, you are well aware that Carl didn't age from a young boy to an old man in just a few minutes. In all the on-screen shots of the water flowing, it appears to be flowing at a normal, natural-looking speed. Do you think the water inexplicably sped up every time the camera wasn't on it? And then slowed down again every time it was on-screen? The only force acting on the water was gravity. That's not enough to accelerate it to supersonic speeds, especially when you consider the inherent physical properties of water. Surfers ride waves. Do you think they're moving at close to the speed of sound? If you turn on your shower or your sink or your garden hose full-blast, do you think the water is moving at close to the speed of sound? All that being said, yes, outrunning the wave on horseback is still pretty impressive, but could theoretically be done without too much trouble, since the water is losing kinetic energy all along the way, as the river meanders, and it splashes over rocks and such, toward its lower energy state. And yes, the physics required to build an ice wall capable of holding back the wave is also interesting. With a thick enough ice wall, it could be done with ordinary ice-1 - plain-old Earth ice. But throw some magic in, and it'll be easier.
Ok... so how big a ramp does Elsa need to get to the moon?
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Hi from ur future summer house (Norway)
I thought about doing math to figure this out, but i have 2 weeks of summer left... i don't do math during summer
J: Elsa is supersonic me: *imagines elsa as a hedgehog*
Thanks for putting that in my head lol
Gotta go cold.
Something nobody is thinking is cuts, the water probably took more time to get there than 60 seconds, Elsa would still have to go fast but not supersonic
Cold breeze speeds by.
Elsa the hedgehog.
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This video: Elsa's Horse
Me, respecting the horse: The Water Spirit, yes
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Ro J So sorry to hear about your loss. I hope something turns around for you soon.
I hope you're ok and have a place to stay now.
Same
Feel this, fam. I'm in the same boat. Hopefully things will go well for you and you'll have a place to go like myself. 🖤❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Sorry to hear that happened to you
What if the 60 seconds of movie time is a much longer in-universe time though? Average speed of a Tsunami near land is around 20-30 mph, which I'd say is probably more accurate to how fast this water is flowing, so that would mean in the 60sec of movie time, ~2.5 hours pass, which means that Else only had to be going at a blistering..... 65mph... Roughly how fast you drive on the free way, in order to stop it like she did. Oh, and a NORMAL horse has a max speed of 55mph, so it wouldn't be a huge stretch for a water demon horse to travel much faster than that... in water....
So I'd say, based on realistic time periods of movement, and movie time cutting out the 2.5 hours it takes for the water to travel (because who wants to watch that?), it's actually a lot more realistic.
I was just thinking this!
I was thinking the exact same thing, especially as he already pointed out in this video that their travels to the north must have been much longer than was shown
Right? That's exactly what I was thinking. There are likely a very, very small amount, if any, movies that portray every amount of time in movie time. (Also I'm sorry but spirit horse, not demon horse, the horse wasn't a demon I just had to say that)
YES. Thank you
just made this video obsolete, thank you
SCB: snow astronaut
Me, an intellectual: Icetronaut
Or just a cosmonaut
@parkwayninja also sonic boom means (pretty much) all windows scatter. and mach 12(12xspeedofsound) would probably destroy Arendel through the explosive sonic boom.
note: I don't have a physics degree.... still pretty sure tho....
Tell him to use metric system also along with imperial system
Critics: This makes no sense. It sucks
SCB: This makes no sense, I wonder wh-
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David Ciorogariu i did the same thing😂
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Critics say things doesn't make sense
Theorists make things make sense
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“Stops it cold” 😂
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When she got home she said freeze
The best puns go unacknowledged
@@Serenade2461 Unack-snow-ledged.... yeah, that's farfetched.
J singing: "The cold doesn't bother us, also"
Me: J, you need to sing more!
How exactly do you propose the water obtained such speed? My guess is it didn’t rather the movie was edited down for brevity.
Title: Elsa's Horse is Supersonic
My brain: images sonic the hedgehog with an ice emerald
Yes
Same
Me too also I imagine the general saying what been frozen two
Me before the video: I won't believe it!
Me after the video: I never had a doubt!
I’m surprised Ben didn’t want to do the ice-related episode. Was ice just generally a big thing in the Carlin family?
Wasn’t the last video meant to be bens video??
As in the Ben was literally meant to have recorded it
So if that water could cut metal because of how fast it was moving, does that mean Aang and Katara were bending water at super sonic speed in the episode where they destroy the drill?
Technically this depends more on the type of metal being cut but overall yes - a quick google shows that most plain water jets used commercially today spit out pressurized water at around 900 mph whereas the speed of sound (at sea level at 59 F (15 C)) is 712 mph. however, it is also entirely possible that as benders they could change the density of the water and so be able to mimic the pressure water would normally reach at high speed at a much slower speed
No wonder they got a lil sweat on
In the third season, the gAang met an old water bender that could cleave rocks with water blades.
Zuko be redirecting lightning
7:15 have you guys considered that the travel time WASN'T 60 seconds? Like maybe, JUST MAYBE, movies tend to skip over long scenes with absolutely no plot development, "like a scene where Elsa continuously rides a water horse," to save money on voice overs and animation? Just something to think about while Elsa's horse breaks the sonic barrier.
Nah.. cause who wants to watch 12 hours of flash flooding. Haha!
Ok but who said 60s of movie time is 60s in-universe? I mean ... Montage?
Finally someone in the comments with more than 1 braincell. Thank God
Also when we see the water it is clearly not moving that fast when it is approaching the castle.
If the water was traveling at that speed it should have been blasting apart the rock walls of the ravine.
Lastly, there is no clear reason as to how the water got up to that speed.
I looked up the water speed for a real life dam collapse and found a speed of about 1/4 miles a minute. Meaning at that speed it would have taken close to 5.3 hours, not 60 seconds.
Furthermore, you could actually calculate the speed based on what we see in the movie. For example, we know Elsa's height. So we could use that to figure out the distance from her to the wave (when seeing it from the side as she blocks it) and how long it took to reach her. It would be far closer to the 1/4 miles suggested above by Spike Hammer.
TLDR; Their maths guy needs his own maths department.
THANK YOU! It's like the SCB suddenly forgot how movies work! Next thing, they'll be telling us how Carl went from a young kid to an old man in four minutes!
Ummm the actual speed doesn’t matter. Elsa is montaged as well, so it’s for comparison. Irl it is much slower. Although the moon stuff and the 7x speed of sound doesn’t actually make sense-
Why did this come up while I was watching Frozen? Jay, Ben, are you guys watching me? Or maybe you’re in touch with the FBI Agent assigned to my phone?
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I don't think you were supposed to find out
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Whatever happened to "These socks are amazing!!"?
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@@CycloneAbsol but what about Dumbledore and his nice pair of woolen socks? One can never have enough socks!
Sounds like the math budget was involved
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@@SuperCarlinBrothers math budget missed a calculation....the pull of the water would have helped with Her momentum. Not to mention she is working WITH the water spirit to stop the flood
"I did not major in Physics." - Jonathan Carlin 2020 Your horsepower pun also cracked me up.
I will never get the image of Sonic wearing an elsa costume out of my head.
Can you make a video and photoshop him as Elsa then?
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 Well, I didn't think that would be my first youtube video, but I'll try
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As someone who knows a lot about physics, and having a mom who’s a physics teacher, it physically hurts to hear you not using the metric system for the math.
As someone who comes from a country that uses the metric system I simply have no clue what any of the distances and speeds mentioned in the movie really are.
@@kiminimuchu__ same here! 😂
As a physics major it’s hard to listen to 🤧
@@kiminimuchu__ same here xD
@@kiminimuchu__ but the us does use metric, for bullets:P, but i have seen images where they measure the size of a hole in caravans, they use anything but metric
SCB: *says some distance in miles/hour*
Me: *cries in metric*
I know right!! i can't believe SCB didn't at least put up the metrics conversions on the screen! The rest of the world can't really internalise imperial units!!!
@@ShrustiTripathy Canada: "Why does everyone always forget about me..."
@@ShrustiTripathy Speak for yourself. I'm from the UK, which uses both, switching between them depending on what we're measuring.
@@DarthSanguine I'm from Ireland and basically the same thing happens for us
I'm american and I only know that you go 60 mph on the highway (I think) I convert everything else to kilometers. Miles are confusing.
You left off the most obvious reference:
In that one instance, Elsa became more powerful than Dash and Frozone combined.
I just kinda assumed that the actual movie time and the in-universe time were different. How fast would a wave like that travel in real life?
Still requires Elsa to be going super fast though.
It doesnt make sense because It couldnt happen inside the mythos that they have created. Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa took longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
As to the question "How long would it take in real life?"
I looked up the speed of one dam failure and found that it had a speed of 1/4 miles per minute. Meaning it would have taken almost 5.3 hours. Of course the water surge in the movie could be faster but it is unlikely to make that 60 second mark.
Maybe she teleported
Me: How can they possibly make any more Frozen videos?
J (singsong voice): I'm gonna make a supersonic horse outta youuuuu!
Not a reference I expected to see here, but much appreciated.
You are assuming that we see the wave since it starts up until it ends, it may well have lasted longer for it to get to Arendelle, we just didn't need to see that. As for the speed of the horse... well it would still be incredibly fast, but I suppose that the spirit that represents water will be just as fast as water itself can travel.
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Idk why I laughed out loud, but I did
At 3:51 I thought he was gonna say
"But I'm not matpat" 😂
ikr he got to that bit about the math and i was like,,,,,,,,,, i swear i've watched a video on this,,,,
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I feel like EVERYONE forgets that Elsa can also make ice and snow melt, including the sequel.
She learned that with the power of love she was able to reverse the cold she had created out of fear and grief. I think she definitely had a natural affinity to the cold but also that she just always had so much stress and fear in her life that she didn’t have a chance to learn anything else. Because actually her powers aren’t just based on cold weather, designing and the creating of life, but she controls different temperatures and can conjure or form different molecules from thin air.
Everything else aside, there was an early tie in book, Sisters Like Me, that says Elsa loves geometry. That, combined with her line about "frozen fractals" suggests that yeah, she probably knew enough about architecture, math, and science to make a relatively stable ice castle. Or at least fake it for a bit.
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That’s actually creepy though
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That is so cool
What house is tgat
Also Elsa’s magical ability to make dresses in her ice talents is interesting. I’m so glad you guys addressed how she was able to get to places so quickly, especially considering she’s coming back from the dead.
I had always ssumed that more time had passed than the literal time shown on screen...
Finally, someone with more than one brain cell in the comments.
same here
The speed of the water issue has already been addressed in the comments, but the other issue is we don't know exactly when Elsa unfroze. Was is when the dam completely broke? when the first boulder hit? when the giant throws the rock? sometime before when the decision to break the dam was made? This would give Elsa a headstart on racing back to Arendelle.
So we’ll just ignore her powers of making DRESSES AND ICE SKATES!!
Movie editing is meant to make a longer period of time feel like a shorter period of time. I don't think you're supposed to see that as a realtime chase across half of Norway. Would probably be better to figure out how fast water would in reality travel that distance and then figure out how fast Elsa would have to have been riding to catch up.
And not to mention she did so riding without saddle, like she was just holding on for dear life
HELLO just got 4 teeth pulled and in literal pain
but there's a new SCB video so today is great!
These videos are so interesting, well edited, and well produced. Do you have a professional editor? I'm just starting out myself
9:50 🖐 HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!
So you chose to calculate the speed of the water based on movie seconds rather than actual data on how fast water would travel in a situation of this kind? That's a rather odd choice for a theory trying to actually calculate Elsa's real speed, specially when you're at the same time trying to argue which real life type of ice would be strong enough to hold this not-real life water speed...
So I have a few criticisms of this theory
1. We cannot equate movie time with real time.
2. We do not know that this takes place on Earth. Even if it does, we do not know that they measure latitude in the same way we do, and we cannot vouch for the accuracy of the map.
Gotta go fast
“horse is supersonic”
**Insert chaos emerald joke here**
OOHHHHHH MY GOODNESSSSS
I just realized why Sonic is called... Sonic...
How on earth did it take me this long 🤦🏼♀️
Tails' actual name, Miles Prower is... miles-per-hour.
Well that makes two of us
This whole theory is based on the fact that Movie time is always exactly the same as screentime. By that logic, Elsa and Anna should be nearly 600 yrs old by the end of the first movie because the song "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" shows the girls aging about 5 years every onscreen minute.
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Technically I believe she had the water spirit’s help to stop that wave as a co-effort of ice and water. She creates the super ice and the horse pushes back the water itself as well, providing more than just travel aid.
Still.. that’s some speed to get there in time!
The math budget is starting to be referenced to like it’s a person.
I’d take a job with SCB called ‘Math Budget’.
I mean... same initials. Just saying.
You are helping me hold in there during quarantine thank you scb
The math budget was paid for, for this video, and then it was all spent, for this video!
Okay. I just rewatched this scene. And here me out.. it's not that the horse is supersonic, it's that it can transport through water. It's a water Spirit, so it isn't unreasonable that it can be found in any body of water. In the scene where you see the water coming towards arendelle, you see elsa and the water Spirit spring up from the water. I think the water Spirit transported them from ahtohollan to the tidal wave.
Reading the title this seems ridiculous but you've never let me down yet J😹
Its just math!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers . Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa could've taken longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
@@sarcasticeggs8998 But also it's fun to consider that a fictional character has a badass water demon.
I protest the Nokk being called Elsa's horse. She captured the Nokk. She turns the Nokk into ice. The Nokk is not Elsa's.
How about we summon "Film Theory" channel to this video to do some help on the space ice.
MattPat if you are there: "Can ice survive the wave?"
Like, so he will see.
This video made my day! THANKS SCB! ❤️
9:56 Ok, here’s some physics knowledge for ya. You can go just about as fast as you want and be ok, the problem is acceleration. If you look at Newton’s 2nd Law, Force=mass*acceleration, you can see that the important factor in calculating force is acceleration not velocity. Accelerate too fast and you’d be crushed by the resultant forces.
The other problem here is wind resistance. To put it simply, a person on a horse is not very aerodynamic and Elsa&horse are traveling at MACH 12. It’s rare for fighter pilots to survive ejecting at MACH 1. Planes and Spacecraft are designed to reach high speeds through air, people/horses are not.
Here is an account of Air Force pilot Capt. Brian Udell, one of the only pilots in history to survive after ejecting from a fighter at supersonic speeds. “It felt like somebody had just hit me with a train,” said Udell. “When I went out into the wind stream, it ripped my helmet right off my head, broke all the blood vessels in my head and face, my head was swollen the size of a basketball and my lips were the size of cucumbers. My left elbow was dislocated and pointed backward, the only thing holding my leg on was an artery, the vein, the nerve and the skin and my left leg snapped at the bottom half.” His body was essentially being torn apart by the wind.
I like physics better when air resistance is negligible... :(
It doesnt make sense because It couldnt happen inside the mythos that they have created. Travelling faster than the speed of sound without pressurised chambers and proper equipment causes shortness of breath, dizziness, and nausea. Elsa took longer than 60 seconds to travel, they just didnt show all of it because there was no need of another montage of Elsa riding a water horse on the sea.
Dimitri Nath I know, I just like to over complicate things ;)
And the bro’s seemed to need some help with their physics; gotta conserve the math budget.
She's Elsa and she has crazy powers so when Frozen III comes out she'll maybe be able to fly.
ELSA IS SUPER SONIC???
I didn’t know Elsa would hide being a hedgehog with some emeralds...
I would have assumed that the minute screen time didn't translate to a minute in travel time? Id rather see how fast water should go on a path like that, and compare how fast Elsa must be going to that number.
or maybe the movie uses a travle montage for the wave too meaning it takes more than 1 minute
I love your frozen 2 videos Ben and J !!! Keep them up👍
Guys if this is what a full paid math budget gives us, we need to be paying for it WAY more often!
the Lake Missoula flood (pre historic ice dam broke) traveled at a top speed of 80mph, we can assume that is the upper limit for this flood, so it took 1 hour for the water to reach town. this puts Elsa at a nice 156mph, still respectable if not quite as fast as sound
Omg i love you guys so much you are my fave YT theorests i have a hp theory that the founders patroness is where the house is Mascots
Me in the theater: *turns to my kids*
Oooo, look! A sea-horse!
As I’m sure someone already commented, this theory is also implying that the length of time for the water to get to Arendale and the length of time passed in the movie are the same. And we have no reason to think that.
Not to mention that we see the speed of the wave after it passes into the valley where Arendale hits, and it is clearly not going that fast. This means that there was a time skip from the time the dam broke to the time the wave arrived at Arendale.
#debbiedowner
WHO LOVES HOW HE SAID mAtH mAtH MaTh
!!! 62°N is my city's latitude! I always thought Arendelle was supposed to be Arendal way down the south coast, but my city Ålesund is at that latitude, neat!
Technically, Elsa pulls water molecules from the air pretty quickly (just from what I’ve heard) so she can make the winter things...
Pretty sure the water isn’t actually traveling as fast as they calculate from the screen time. There’s probably a natural rate of flow that could be looked up to determine the actual speed of the water. And then Elsa’s speed could be recalculated based on that.
Yes, do the real math.
I looked up how fast flash floods and the fastest rivers flow, and they’re both on the order of about 3 meters per second, which is about 0.2% the 1.3 miles per second speed they estimate, which makes Elsa’s speed below 20 miles per hour, which needless to day is well below the speed of sound.
Of course, using a more realistic speed of water, that also means that flood which took 60 seconds of screen time actually took over 9 hours in-universe.
And apparently even normal non-magical horses can run about 55mph.
So maybe lets split the difference and say the flood was faster than realistic but slower than shown on screen, thus Elsa’s magic sea horse can run faster than a real horse but still not faster than the speed of sound.
They should’ve either
-had Elsa teleport if there’s going to be a Yeah THAT still suspends disbelief... Convenience
-or. Actually destroyed and rebuilt Arendelle
But the real question is...if the water’s moving That Fast with Force how...did Anna and Mattias and Co survive when they’re literally standing ontop when it breaks and have it crumpling underneath them
MatPat: Are you challenging me?
can't lie, my thoughts and considerations consist of being one of the first to the super carlin brother videos and nausea (popcorn culture inside joke, like this if you understand go listen if you dont)
Ok, but they probably cut some of the footage of her running back. Because by that logic their entire journey would only be 2 hours.
The cold vacuum of space never bothers her anyway
Something even more impressive then her speed is her acceleration. Giving her the benefit of the doubt when she stopped she pulled 46 Gs. This means that she experienced a force 46 times greater then the force of gravity
Closets are very important
Rylee Morrow oh man, don’t forget the closets
My favorite episode thus far! From the extra long pre-intro content to the horsepower puns at the end. PURE HILARITY!!😂😂😂😂
Elsa: has a supersonic horse
Turkmen President: *Takes notes*
Love you're videos
What happened to your vlogs, J? I really miss those.
Cool theory, but one small problem: you didn't account for friction or air resistance in you water speed calculations. The water would have expoentionally slowed down while it was traveling, so it would have had to start much faster than what you accounted for in your calculation. I think you should pay you math budget again, lol.
Aw thats luke
When are you gonna do more vlogs i miss him lol
Love you J!!
aLL tHe FrOzEn ThEoRiEs!
7:21 this is where you completly lost me lol
I just realized I’m watching this whilst wearing my Bronze Eagle shirt, what a coincidence!
while I definitely agree that she clearly had to travel farther than the water traveled from the dam. Wouldn't it make more sense that it wasn't an actual 60 Seconds and it was time elapsed as well. I don't believe water that releases from a dam break would go that fast. It would be more interesting if you could figure out how fast that water would be going and based off that figure out how fast Elsa was actually going
Last time I was this early dinosaurs existed!
Edit: J and Ben your channel is amazing and when you upload it makes me so happy! Thank you for doing what you do.
Bellatrix Lestrange Yayyyyy!
Is there proof that Arendalle is on Earth (or at least an earth sized planet) and not potentially a planet with a different radius?
I can’t believe I got here this early.
9:53 Ben thats rude we know you were there lol
This video just made me even more confused with imperial units ... Still liked it though!
I am here watching SuperCarlinBrothers to help me pass the time for when Seamus Gorman will make a Disney Sequels video about Cinderella 3.
But all the same, this is still a great video!
People outside of America trying to understand the distance like 👁👄👁
I love all your theories, supercarlinbrothers
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This whole theory hinges on the assumption (7:10) that sixty seconds of movie time = sixty seconds of in-world time. This is not necessarily the case. Time in movies is slowed down or sped up for the benefit of the audience, not for the benefit of the characters. Shirley, you are well aware that Carl didn't age from a young boy to an old man in just a few minutes.
In all the on-screen shots of the water flowing, it appears to be flowing at a normal, natural-looking speed. Do you think the water inexplicably sped up every time the camera wasn't on it? And then slowed down again every time it was on-screen? The only force acting on the water was gravity. That's not enough to accelerate it to supersonic speeds, especially when you consider the inherent physical properties of water.
Surfers ride waves. Do you think they're moving at close to the speed of sound? If you turn on your shower or your sink or your garden hose full-blast, do you think the water is moving at close to the speed of sound?
All that being said, yes, outrunning the wave on horseback is still pretty impressive, but could theoretically be done without too much trouble, since the water is losing kinetic energy all along the way, as the river meanders, and it splashes over rocks and such, toward its lower energy state.
And yes, the physics required to build an ice wall capable of holding back the wave is also interesting. With a thick enough ice wall, it could be done with ordinary ice-1 - plain-old Earth ice. But throw some magic in, and it'll be easier.