Full Review of the Atezr 24W Laser - The Most Powerful Diode on the Market!
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I just put my order in for the laser. I can't wait it's an upgrade to my comgrow z1.
Hey man, I just orered mine after I watched your vid. There are not many reviews on this unit and I think you have the only one in english. I hope its as good as it sounds.
@@TimHoundDog nope, even better!
I had to replace my 10W that caught on fire. I ordered this one because of this video. I will have it on the 18th, I can't wait.
I was so impressed with this review that I bought the P 5 model, I don't do a lot of cutting, more fine engraving so I opted for the 5 watt model. This is my second diode laser and the quality construction of this machine is far and above my current machine. It was very easy to put together with an excellent installation manual and all the hardware need to get up and running quickly. As soon as I powered it up, it went crashing into the back left position (I had the settings for front left). I then began to move the laser around the work area and discovered that while the X axis worked perfectly the Y axis ran in reverse. What followed was 3 days of watching videos and visiting several support groups trying to find a solution to the problem with no luck. I was getting desperate as I had several projects that I was already behind on and a new laser that I could not get to work. As a last resort I sent an IM to Rich and explained my problem and expressed my frustration. Last night at about 9:30 my phone rings and it's Rich. Long story short, he took the time to deal with my issue and got me up and running. It turned out to be a problem with two machine settings that were set incorrectly after a firmware update I had made in lightburn. Rich spent 2 hours with me to work thru this, i never would have found the problem on my own. I know now why he is considered by so many to be the Guru of the hobby laser world. I have learned so much from watching his videos. I also have discovered how much time and energy he puts into various charitable groups in the New Orleans area in addition to all of the other things he does. Thanks to him, my new Atezr is running like a Swiss watch, and I could not be happier. I made the right decision on this purchase.
Thanks so much Jeff! It was a pleasure chatting with you and getting your problem worked out! Enjoy your new laser!
Amazon just put this 20 watt on their site with 300.00 coupon and prime shipping, I just ordered it, will be here Tuesday
Awesome! Same price as their website until the 24th.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy and you get it quicker with Amazon prime
I just checked, and they don’t show the P20. Can you post link?
Just want people to know that the company will tell you any thing to stop you fron canceling your order. I ordered this 3 weeks ago and still havent gotten a time of delivery so i ordered the 20 watt com grow laser and 2 days later i have a tracking number and a delivery date of 6 days so hands down dont wast the time on this laser buy the com grow . i am out a lot of money and would never have ordered this if i new they were not able to deliver in a timely manner..
Sorry to hear that JD. Just cancel the order. It's worth the wait IMO.
Atezr sincerely thanks for your attentive review👍
My pleasure! It's a great machine!
😀Great review - enjoyed every min. One question thou. What is your opinion of the diodes? How long will they last? Do you know the mfg?
No, I don't. I don't know the Mfg of any of the diodes except Neje. I'm hoping/guessing they used a quality Mfg since the quality on the rest of the machine is so high.
Great video to enjoy with my morning coffee, thanks Rich.
Good morning Gary! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great video!
Can you please test the claim on their website that it can cut 3mm thick stainless steel sheets? It sounds (and probably is) a hilarious claim.
I tried cutting stainless, and .1mm (a spark plug feeler gage) was the thickest it could cut. .15 failed. Slightly better than the Atomstack & xTool 20W.
Thanks for your comprehensive review La Hobby Guy. I wish I could get this too but saving up for a fiber but also nice to have. 🍻👍🏼
You'll love the fiber!
I purchased the P20 Pro on a Father's Day sale. Nabbed the factory refurbished unit for a tad over $300. This is my first laser, but having been in 3D printing for years, it was a very pleasant experience with so many commonalities. Unbelievable to get into a powerful hobby like this and after running into your videos, this has been nothing but fun!
Awesome! 👍 I'm happy to hear that! Thanks for watching!
I have the D1 10-watt, 20 watt and the infrared with the double enclosure and the whole smear. I bought all this in anticipation to try and start making things to see for supplemental income and hopefully one day quitting my day job. I've done my due diligence with learning Lightburn. Thanks to you, Rich, and your awesome videos. However, I have had nothing but glitch after glitch with my Xtool machine. I would figure out and get around one glitch, and then another would pop up. (I am sure there is some user error here and there) I bit the bullet and bought the ATEZR P20 PLUS 20W LASER ENGRAVING MACHINE a few minutes ago. Hopefully, I will be able to utilize the RA2 roller and some of the other stuff I've already purchased. Maybe xtool will get it together, and I can use it again in the future. I made the final decision after watching this review and hearing you say you recommend this unit. I know you know your stuff, and I trust you. Thank you Rich, for all you do and all you offer us out of the kindness of your heart.
Thanks Teresa. Yes, xTool has many problems they've created themselves. Two geeks, Jasen & Mia, decided to create something new, knowing nothing about lasers last year and tried to copy the Glowforge plan. When that flopped, They moved into diode lasers seeing $$$. But using the proprietary control software with limited Gcode experience was a big mistake. Not to mention how they teach how to use the machines wrong in all their videos which compounds the problems. Perhaps one day they'll have an epiphany and realize open source code invites in the users who actually know to program the laser control boards! Good luck with your new machine!
Pls let us know how it goes when arrives. Would be interesting to compare to D1, since it was praised a lot over Internet.
@@ivansusic562 Sure thing.
Hi, I loved the videos and will look at more of yours as my mind seems to function like yours!
I contacted and joined Azetr went through their site and decided after months of research and watching your videos to make my choice. ATEZR P20 PLUS with F4 & KR
The problem is the Azetr site doesn't have NZ in the drop-down purchase and payment system ... I emailed directly to them and am waiting for a reply. I would rather not go through Amazon as the options are not the same for what I want to do and I would rather pay direct to Atezr than pay commission to Amazon.
Your ideas and products plus your skills with the machines are amazing to see, plus most of all the teaching and public speaking are what impresses me most! Thank you!
Thank you so much Nigel! I really appreciate it! 👍
Hi Rich, I know you have the library for the 24w Atzer, however, do you happen to finish the 34w cut library/settings? Figured to ask
No Jeff, not yet. I haven't gotten the 35W setup for testing yet.
Good video. Made me want to buy this machine, but Atzer does not ship to the Philippines and Amazon wants almost $1000.00 to ship here. Maybe after your battle of the 20w engravers I will have a different best machine.
That's too bad Ken. I know a lot of things cost a lot to ship to the P.I. My wife just arrived in Tarlac for vacation!
For the 36watt modell the spotsize is 0.08x0.1, do you think you loose out on detail with the stronger laserhead? How do you calculate the dpi? Dont get the numbers to match
I don't believe a 36W diode can be .08 with 6 columnated diodes, but .08 = 317.5 lines per inch. And 0.1 = 254 LPI. I would have to see that under a microscope with a crack ruler to believe it. I'll do that on the Atzer as soon as I can get to it. If you set a layer to fill in Lightburn and then double click it, in the Cut Settings editor, enter .08 in the Line Interval and it will tell you the LPI right under that. *IF* those numbers are accurate *AND* you have the perfect focus, it would do just fine on 99.9% of all engravings Patrik.
When you say hobby wood Baltic birch and white birch, they're not plywood are they? When I cut Baltic birch plywood 3mm with my P20 I have to use 300 speed and 80% power to get true in one pass. Does that sound realistic?
When I say hobby wood, that's not ply Mike.
😍 I'm in love, lol 😂. This engraver does some cutting 🔥 and nice engraving too! Sure would like to buy one but need a new roof somehow first after Hurricane Ian eye blasted my neighborhood.
Glad you're okay Chris!
I purchased this machine a couple weeks back when the discount was at $400 off. Wasn't too sure on its capabilities, but after my initial set up runs and now your review I'm certain I made the right choice. Can't wait to get more time with it.
You got a great deal Mario! This one is a winner.
Hi Rich, please help! I just got my a text p20 and am struggling to get the laser power up. I followed the video and tried to do a test card but it about four squares and nothing else. No text is visible or anything. I tried using the same settings you did but it will not let me go over 2000 speed, and at that speed it marks nothing at all. I did the x max and everything like you did. Help please!
Are you focusing the laser properly? How do you know how fast it's going?
I've been thinking about getting a machine like this now that they have more powerful lasers. The Xtool D1 was my top pick until I watched this video and read the comments and found out about the issues - so now this one would be my choice. My uses would involve some wood cutting. So my question is are there lenses available with a longer focal length? It seems that it would be better suited for cutting with a beam that stays thin longer. I've also looked at CO2 machines and would rather have something that took less space and requires less maintenance as long as it was able to do what I need. Another question: Would it help to use CO2 instead of air for the air assist when cutting thicker wood? Seems like it would prevent fires and possibly improve quality of the cut by cutting off the oxygen. Great to watch a review video made someone very knowledgeable about what they are dealing with. Subscribed.
No, no accessory lenses Steve. I really don't know about using Co2 for an air assist, never heard of it.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thanks for the information.
Very solid review. I'm waiting for my review unit and hope I can do it as much justice 🙂
You're going to like it Steve! 👍
Will the Ortur chuck rotary work with the Atezr P20? I only ask as I know you reviewed that rotary earlier
It will with one of the adapters.
so how big of an issue is the 3 sided blind laser enclosure off end of laser? Looks like it would make eyeing the alignment on the blanks difficult.
I use absolute coordinates, so I don't have alignment issues. But it shouldn't be an issue at all if you have the laser set to on when framing.
Good to see you like this one. Bought it before there were any reviews for it. It was $899 at the time, couldn’t pass on it for the price. So far the things I’ve used it for seem super sharp Look forward to you posting the material library on the forum!
It's already on the Forum Chris.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Awesome, I will grab it now. Thank you!
I will say my only complaints with this machine so far have been that there isn't an easy way to lift the laser unless you cut blocks to put underneath it (legs come with the roller but unscrewing legs to put different ones on can be cumbersome). The focus arm is tough to pull down sometimes. I don't like that to remove the connector from the laser you have to tug on the wires. And a pretty well known issue so far has been the mirror piece which I also removed fairly quickly
@@krazekilla224 Yeah, I don't do legs for the roller! I have a 4x4 I cut into 4 pieces. Fast and easy!
This is awesome! Ordered mine. It should arrive this Tuesday! Where would you recommend buying basswood and other cheap wood in bulk? Do you have any videos about wood qualities and the best to use?
If you want bulk, Alibaba is the place to go. I don't buy bulk anymore since I retired. I don't do videos on wood since the material is subject to environmental changes like temp, moisture content & humidity. So everyone's settings, experience and results are going to be different.
Hi, is it true that the fan on this laser is constantly on from the moment you turn on the laser even when the laser is not cutting/engraving? Also how does this compare to the Sculpfun S30 Pro Max when comparing cutting power on mostly 3mm/4mm plywood?
Yes, the fan stays on. I don't have the S30.
Good review, first impression is the emergency stop is positioned poorly. Emergency stop is a panic press and in this configuration the USB and power connection is blocking it which means likely a broken power or USB connector after a few panic presses.
Probably not. It's in a good spot, and it feels really solid compared to my other lasers. I do wish they would put the control boards in the rear though.
I show that it's Pre-Order do you know when it will actually be available?
Should be available now unless they sold out.
Can this cut G-10?, and if so, what would the maximum thickeness be for the g10?
You would have to run a test grid for your specific material, environment and thickness.
Love the stain capability.
It's so cool!
Did you ever adjust the eccentric nut and re run your test? can you show how you did adjust the x axis? you say the Y does not have an adjustment? I see the 3 wheels on each side from the photos, id think there was some sort of adjustment for the Y axis too? I did order one and mine will be here Tuesday. So I will have a better look at it and a better understanding. Good video. Like to see more stuff made on this laser.
As it turns out, the Y does have one on each side, but they were perfect. The X is very simple. There's a slot in the top of the gantry where the wrench fits into. Slide the module to the middle, under the slot and it's right there. Really simple adjustments. My X took about a 3mm turn to tighten. It was close.
Awesome and thorough review thank you.
I'm confused about your comment about how long it takes to engrave metal.
You said it takes way too long to engrave metal and then later you said you could anneal Metals at a relatively fast speed?
I don't have a laser yet so maybe I don't understand something.
It takes too long to get colors on metal. Annealing a black mark is easy.
since there are 40W diode lasers out there, i think you should retract the title...
The title is based on the date it was published.
Hi. I have 100w Chinese CO2 laser. It seems to me CO2 laser is more complicated maintenance wise - you need to oil it, align mirrors from time to time (e.g. at the moment I cannot get clear vertical cuts), laser tube needs to be replaced after a while etc. This diode laser looks like a better, simpler solution for people who do not need a huge bed and cut wood thicker than 10mm often. As far as engraving speed goes, speed of Atezr p20 is acceptable. Also, this one has a small dot size, in CO2 laser one needs to change lens to achieve detailed engraving. Perhaps only drawback would be inability to work with clear acrylic? What do you think? Tnx for such a great intro.
I totally agree Ivan! Both have their pros & cons, and I love all of my lasers, Co2 & Diode. I have done many jobs employing both machines, the Co2 for cutting the project and the diode for the engraving. The diodes produce a much better engraving because of the dot size, and the fact that they burn the material, instead of vaporize it.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy If laser head enclosure is on, would there be problems with it touching uneven surface? Where I live there is no special plywood for engraving - it is not flat at all. Moreover, just to mention it: plywood is eg. declared as 4mm thick, but it actually varies between 3.65 and 3.8.
@@ivansusic562 Yes, I would and have taken it off. All SF lasers have this issue. And I measure my plywood with a caliper.
I appreciate your candid opinion. On your recommendation I’m buying the Atezr.
You'll like it Brad!
Salty price but I guess the old saying is true, you get what you pay for ;) Seems like a great laser. Awesome video and can't wait to see more!
Definitely the best diode laser in the shop!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy even than Sculpfun S30 pro max ?
@@bobdoug1710 Don't have one.
Hello,
very good video, thanks for that.
Has the Atezr laser end stop switch installed?
Can you have the Air Assist controlled automatically via Lightburn?
E.g. for engraving "off" and for cutting "on". So you could just preset it and not have to worry about it.
With the Sculpfun S30 lasers it works to have the Air Assist controlled by Lightburn.
Can you change / replace the lens or is it fixed?
Thank you in advance.
Greetings from Germany
Yes, it has limit switches. No, there is no M7 or M8 at this time. Lens is fixed.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy
Hello,
thanks for the reply.
I am just looking at whether to order the Sculpfun S30 Pro 20W or the Atezr P20 20W or 35W.
With the Atezr I like the better cable management, display, WiFi and SD card slot, plus the 35W laser comes with it.
With the Sculpfun, the automatic Air Assist and the higher accuracy through the high-precision linear slide rail (X-axis) is super.
Awesome review. I've had mine for about two weeks and haven't had any problems.
Thanks for sharing Richard! These machines are *rock solid!*
Hi Rich, I've got a brand new L2 24w, after a couple of days of testing it I notice a tremendous reduction of power, now it can't cut with the same parameters and materials of the first days. Could you suggest some troubleshooting? Atezr customer service don't replay my messages. Thanks.
Likely a dirty lens. I clean mine every day.
I cleaned carefully but no change@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy
Hello all... Hi Rich, I'm learning so much from watching your video's great stuff, do you know of a cheapish pair of safety glasses for the xTool infra red laser module 1064nm . I've got the xTool D1 20W pro two in one kit. Not sure if the glasses that came with the machine covers both lasers? Any help or advice would be appreciated👍
Not that I know of Stu. The real safety glasses are expensive.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Thanks for your quick reply Rich
Where did you set your focus point? Does this have a long or short focus point?
Well with a 40mm focal point I would say it's an LF. There is a drop down kick stand built in for the focus.
Good review Rich 👍🏻Prices for diode lasers is getting out of hand,soon be has much or more than co2 lasers..
Very true! But the prices are going up because of the demand for bigger, better and more powerful. You can still get a low power laser for under $200 on Aliexpress.
Do you think you will end up testing the 10 watt version? I see on thier web site they offer a combo deal, seems like a good price.
I don't know, maybe. I would guess the 10W would be just as good as this one and have more power than most, since it has two 6W diodes, so again, under advertised! It's actually a 12W.
I’ve got this laser. I checked all my settings and they are what you recommend. I can’t cut 1/4” plywood with any faster than a speed of 5, and 100% power. Any ideas?
I would suspect your lens probably needs cleaning or your focus is off Mike.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I’m new to this, but I figured it out! Lightburn was set to mm/s, not mm/m. I fixed that in the software settings and I have much more control over the speed. Thanks.
I'm new to the world of laser engraving. I have a Crealtiy Falcon 10w laser. I would like to know if you purchase your wood locally or online? If online, what's the best online seller or sellers? Thanks.
Mostly online nowadays Keith on Amazon. There's a link below the video to my Amazon store with some recommendations.
Great honest video! rules are made for breaking Rich
I usually try not to David! 🤪 This was the exception to the rule of rules!
@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I've got this laser and would like to run your line test file. I can't seem to find it. Can you point me in the right direction? TIA
It's called the Eccentric Nut Test Card, and it's free to download in the members only download section of my Forums Michael: lahobbyguy.com/bb
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thank you so much Rich!
So, you would select this over the Ortur LM3?
Yes, hands down.
How long did it take to get yours after you purchased from the website. I’ve got the tracking number but no updates yet
And thanks for feeding my laser addiction!😂
I think it arrived in about 6 days Dean.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thank you for the reply. I’ll use your video to get set up. I’m replacing a sainsmart llc -60a with the Atezr. Will be able to cut job times in half by the way it looks
@@deanstafford1972 Have fun Dean!
I can't find the library. Am I just blind? I can't find it under the files. I found the ones for Ortur, Neje, etc, but I don't find the one referenced in the video.
It's not finished yet Michael. It'll be up soon.
Where do I find the library?@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy
How long is your 300 discount last! I’m buying an 80 watt in January I need to get a upgrade on my 10 watt in February
I saved this video
Not sure Justin, they said there will always be a discount, but the big discounts were just for the launch.
Thanks for your prompt reply. Just watching builddadbuild review. He mentioned it’s hard to see thru the mirrored shield , to see what’s going on. Could I do framing with the diode at full height and lower it for the cut? I’m guessing/hoping I can see better when working so I can see what’s going on
So you didn't watch the whole video Ian?? Shame, shame! 😎 I love Nick, but he did get a few things wrong. It does have a metal air assist, and you can remove the bottom of the module to see the laser beam. I discussed it in my video, and even mentioned him!
Yep, u got me. I’ll watch the whole video now. Love ur work
Hello Rich, would you choose this over an xtool d1 pro 20w?
Thanks
Hands down, no question.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thank you sir 😊
Thanks for another great video Rich! You like this laser over the Neje 3 Max?
Yes I do! Only because of the power and speed though. The 3 Max has more features, like controlling the air assist & smoke extraction, but this one can operate a lot faster. If it had M7 & M8 ability, then yes, absolutely! I haven't opened the case yet to see if I can use the M7.
the Atzer's 24W laser has a beam size of 0.08 x 0.06 at 40mm focus distance. Beam divergence is not disclosed.
NEJE E40 Laser Module Focus: 0.06x0.06mm "at 3-5mm from radiator"
NEJE 40640 Focus: 0.04x0.06mm Focus method: adjustable ( 30-70mm from lens )
So, the power density, at best focus, of the lasers are:
Brand Model Power Beam x Beam y Power density, W/mm² Focus Dist.
Atzer P20 machine 24 0,08 0,06 5000 40mm
Neje A40 11 0,06 0,06 3056 3-5mm
Neje A40640 11 0,04 0,06 4583 30-70mm
Is there a significant cutting performance between a lower power narrower beam, and a slightly larger beam, when both beams have about the same power density ? (Atzer and Neje A40640)?
There is a huge difference between the 10W & 20W lasers Jean. You can't compare the two.
Wazzup Mr rich. Love the Contact man keep it up👍🏽
Thanks! Will do!
I am very much interested in this machine. I have seen other reviews of this machine and they all complain that you cant ALIGN where the machine begins its cutting. I will be using this machine to CUT pre=printed 1/4 MDF so the cutting HAS to be within a mm or 2. ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT?? Is there any way to align this machine laser towit!
Well I've seen probably a dozen reviews on this laser and haven't hear that at all, so I don't think all of them complain about it. I haven't had a single issue with the machine.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I would send you the links but I cant recall them. I am thinking now that they were talking about the issue with the LIGHT SHIELD GLASS where they cant see the laser light with the shield installed
Two screws and the entire bottom comes off. Easy...
I see they have a 35 watt laser out now.
Not quite yet, but a prototype is on the way for testing! Maybe January or February on the actual product launch.
Great review as always. Learning so much from you!
Awesome, thank you Keith!
I've regretted buying "Brand X" for a while now. I'll get over it though. Maybe I can find someone interested in taking it off my hands. I haven't had any problems with it, other than I agree it's not all it was hyped to be. An awful lot of yoobie-toobie influencers we're singing it's praises early on to earn a commish.
Anyway Rich, thanks for all the effort you put into these videos. Your experience and expertise are top notch!
My pleasure Pauly! I rarely endorse a laser, in fact I have never have before! You get the facts in my reviews. This one was just perfect, and I feel very comfortable that most folks would agree after buying one.
Hi Rich, I am a little confused, I have the P20 plus and on delivery one of the Y axis sliders was missing a nut that held it together. In assembly I fond that both Y sliders had an eccentric nut which makes 3 overall in the machine. Atezr has a RUclips video that shows how to adjust all 3! which I had to do. Just thought I’d mention it, keep up the good work.
Yeah, I didn't notice the Y nuts until a few days later! I thought they were linear rails Allan.
Hey Rich. Thanks so much for your valuable videos. I enjoyed watching this review and decided to purchase the Atezr V35 as my next laser. I don't have much experience with other machines. My only other being an XTool M1 10w so I maybe had some expectations regarding the V35 that may not be accurate.
When engraving an image on the V35, I set my parameters to 18,000 mm/min, 80% power using Jarvis. What I notice is that the laser head does not move smoothly across the X-axis but seems to speed up and slow down depending on what part of the image it is engraving. If I compare that to engraving a normal rectangle with the same power and speed settings, the laser head moves across the X-axis smoothly and rapidly. Is this behavior when engraving an image to be expected? Will this harm the motors/belts/etc in any fashion?
Thanks for everything,
Jeff
Yes, it's normal. The laser has to pause thousands of times as it moves along and fire.
Excellent video Rich - even though I “wasn’t in the market for a new laser”. I was just thinking “I have the rotary that I purchased with my 80w Monport (but haven’t used). Are they proprietary or do you know if it will work with this (or any other) laser?
The Monport rotary is 2-phase, so it will work with most China Co2 lasers David.
Hello Sir, I wanted to thank you very much for this video and for the library settings file. I ordered the 24W Atezr back in early December when they had a special for $850.00 like $400 off. It got here a week ago and today I finally had the chance to assemble it. It was easy to assemble, and all the parts fit together nicely and got it squared up. I was up and running in about an hour. I then watched your video and followed along and set the speed from 6000 to 24000. I did have to add the laser config manually because LB did not detect it but not a problem. Then I was off and cutting and engraving a few tests using your library settings and I am very impressed with this laser especially the 430x430 work area. My one and only complaint is I wish the air assist could be controlled by LB instead of having to turn it on manually. I have nothing else but positive things to say about this machine. Anyway, thanks a ton for all you do for the laser community. It is much appreciated!
Completely agree with you!
I was looking to upgrade my 3018, 5 watt laser to something better. I watched a lot of Videos and this one caught me. On Tuesday I ordered it, it arrived on Thursday and worked perfectly! I followed your suggested settings and poof, I am a very happy man. With the 3018, it took me about an hour to etch a coaster, now it takes me all of 7 minutes and it looks so much better. Fortunately the laser was on sale for $849 for a 20 watt laser... what a deal!
Awesome! 👍 Thanks for watching Ray!
Do you offer this test file (at the 12:58 mark) on your site? I just bought this laser after watching your video...and I'd like to test it on multiple materials....
Yep, lahobbyguy.com/bb/ in the Members Only Files & Downloads
Thanks for this review. I purchased it with your discount and waiting to get it i have the comgrow 10 watt already . just wanted to know if you can tell me how to make my engraving darker without having to burn deep in the wood when using white pine any help would be appreciated
Mix a teaspoon of Borax in a cup of hot water and stir until dissolved. Apply a light coat of the mixture and wait for it to dry.
Hmm, I remember way way way back in the day when i was taking wood shop we would/ could burn the surface of the wood with a torch to darken it. Nowadays people use stains to do that. I will do a test on my laser to see what I get, the problem I have at the moment it is only 5 Watts so it would be slower. If I could fix my CO2 that would be nice but it is hosed up pretty bad at the moment.
🤪 Whatever works!
Would you say that this laser is much faster than its competitors (Atomstack A20, Ortur 20W)?
Ortur doesn't have a 20W, but yes, the Atomstack A20 only has a top speed of 12000 mm/min, or half the Atezr.
I have not heard of this brand yet, but as you said , there are thousands of brands out there. Since you have this, would you use this? You have been using Ortur, will you continue with the Ortur or would you switch? Thanks.
I will continue to use all of my lasers!
So many nice Diode lasers Rich, but so hard to get here in New Zealand 😂😂 but thank you so much for this review
You might need to take your holiday in the USA Ray! 🤪
Thank You Very Much! For sharing All of your knowledge and Resources ! I think this might be the one😬 But... I have though that after 2 of your previous reviews! Damn you’re good Haha. New to diodes & less bugs the better. Appreciate You!
This is the best one yet Kris!
I just found your channel and I have to say I am getting lots good information and inspiration from it. I do have a question for you about this laser… I watched another review on the Atezr p20 by Steve makes everything and one of his cons was there is no framing spot to pin point the beam to line up say a batch of coasters. How did you get around this issue or is it even an issue to worry about?
Steve's issue was the mirrored lens. I talked to him about that and told him how to remove it.
"Commercial" quality at a commercial price point for sure. 2x what I paid for the 10W Z1 and it looks to be more than 2x the machine. 👍
Yes Sir, but cheaper than the D1 20W with the air assist! And they have a 5W & 10W version, all cheaper. Apples to apples!!
You have convinced me to go with Atezr and I am guessing if you liked and recommend this one the new 35-watt version would be a no-brainer?
I would guess so... I haven't gotten it yet Ed.
Hi Rich, I have a xtool d1 10 watt was going to get the d1 pro 20 watt until I saw this review, I think I'm going to get this one, so you were saying out of the box it will only do 6000mm, you have to go into settings and change it?
Yes, I showed how in the video.
Looks to be the same controller and air assist nozzle as on the Atomstack X20. First thing I did when I bought that was throw the touch screen away.
They're basically worthless.
Like your review and I am strongly considering this laser, but I want a laser to do tumblers, mugs and stuff. My concern is that with the rotary attachment you need to bolt on the extended legs and are a lot more complex to remove if swapping back and forth from rotary to boards. The xtool seems to have a "better" design to go back and forth, but curious do the extensions have to be removed if you aren't using the rotary or does the head have enough movement to work with the extensions?
Good question Don! I personally don't use any proprietary risers from the manufacturers; they're all a pain in the butt! I just took a scrap piece of 4x4 wood and cut it into 4, 10" pieces to use as the risers.
Nice review there. Been wondering when we would see more robustly built laser diodes; the competition in this market is definitely heating up. My only question on this particular laser is what is the USB standard on the control module 2 or 3? I have to agree that having the power/interface connections being on top apart from the TF/SD card interface should be on side (left side being the best); it doesn't give a nice tidy look.
I don't know of any lasers that use USB 3 Dimitrios.
Great review - just ordered.
Hope you enjoy it! I know I am!
About to buy my first laser any day now. What’s ur pick, this one or Xtool 20w?
Definitely this one Ian. The D1 has way too many issues and problems with the control software.
Hi Rich, after watching this video I went ahead and ordered this laser directly from Atezr. Unfortunately my experience with them has not been good! It has now been 15 days since my purchase and they haven't even shipped it yet. I also ordered the rotary unit and honeycomb panel, and only today they tell me that they cannot ship the panel.
They just keep saying that it will be shipped soon or within a week or ready for shipment, and to date still nothing! I have now asked for a refund and they don't even reply to my email! Absolutely shocking! I certainly DO NOT recommend them! Maybe the service in the US is better but not here in Europe.
Sorry to hear that Jose! I know they are very low on stock after my video. I'll email the PR dept for you.
Thanks Rich!
This may sound like a stupid question, but why not just stain the wood a different color instead of using the laser? You have to factor in that laser diodes burn out just like light bulbs and anything other than actual cutting and engraving shouldn't be used by the laser to extend the working life of the diode. I've used stains to turn regular pine boards into what looks like more exotics. Anyway, I'm thinking of getting a Thunder Laser Nova 51 130w Co2. The question is, how the heck do you make money with it? I know you can makes signs but there's already a sign shop that's been in business for years where I live, which is a small town. And Etsy is just overloaded with anything and everything craft wise. I thought about getting a FaceBook account, but when I signed up, I was immediately banned during the signup and I didn't even get to upload even a profile pic, much less post anything. I appealed it and the ban was upheld even though I never posted a single sentence and wasn't given a reason why I was banned. So fuck FaceBook and Mark SuckaTurd. I hope that cocksucker drowns in a septic tank.
I usually just stain the wood, but this method has a different, more consistent look. Not to say that I'll use it, but it was something I discovered by mistake. As far as making money? There are plenty of ways to do that. Start by making things and giving them away! You'll be surprised at how many orders you'll get!
Thats crazy on the banning. Sounds like they actually do some kind of background check which is even scarier.
Are the limit switches mechanical or the good kind? Did you ever adjust the nut and re run the test?
No, not mechanical Adam.
I placed my order last night with the rotator. Once I saw the rotator, that sealed the deal for me.
Awesome Tim, have fun with it!
So are you referring to the P20 plus? Does this go up to 24W?
Well yes, of course Dawn; this is a review of the P20. It has four 6W diodes, so the optical output source power is in fact 24W.
What are the other two 20W lasers?
I'll be doing the Atzer, Comgrow, Atomstack & xTool battle in January.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy uhh nice :)
We have the Xtool 10W. We would like to add another machine. We mostly use for engraving and wife uses to cut earrings out of a variety of products. She is wanting a CO2 laser. After watching this review this diode seems rather powerful. Would this be best or still one of the monport co2 lasers? Thanks!
It depends on the amount of room you have Joshua. The diode laser takes up less room than a Co2 and can do many of the same jobs, granted in twice the time. The Co2 requires a chiller and more regular maintenance with another learning curve if you're new to Co2. In the same price range, I personally would pick the diode if comparing to the 40W Co2 because of the work area and versatility. Both have their pros & cons.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy This was my question too! Thank you, as I can see that branding larger pieces of woodwork could be an issue with the little Monport K40 CO2. One thing though, the life expectancy of a diode laser compared to a CO2 laser, I suspect the diode laser life is considerably shorter even when run at moderate power levels. Is this true in your experience?
Do you have to use Lightburn or does it come with its own software?
You can use either Lightburn or LaserGRBL like any other machine. Thankfully, it doesn't come with its own brand of software! 🤪
I’m looking to get my first hobby laser. Of course I’ve had to look at soooo many machines (videos) and it’s now getting harder, instead of easier, to make a decision. One of the issues that is beginning to stand out is the absence of an enclosure for these diode units. They are now powerful enough to fill a small room full of smoke I’d think. For the money they are asking, you can get an economy CO2 fully enclosed, and with a bed. Maybe I should have bought one last year when I thought the pricing was good. Oh, and thanks for the great review.
Maybe a K40 Co2, but that's about it. Yes Lynn, prices have skyrocketed, but so has the technology & ability. You can still get an economy diode laser for $200-300.
I bought 7-years ago 60x40 co2 from China because none was available in the US then. The metal box is around 95kg / 200 pounds. With the stand, it takes up so much space, like an old piano. When the tube dies, I am going to buy a diode laser. The new Co2-s in metal boxes weigh about the same, and I never use the lift table.
I am looking forward to 30W + diode lasers because they are much smaller and easier to move around. The enclosure I can build in no time. And cutting mostly laminated heavy paper, I only need a little power. I'm not too fond of the heavy behemoth CO2 just keeping it for now because of the cutting speed with 80W power
Thanks!
Thanks for the support! 👍
hello sir can you help with something i have a svg file an its saying to use 3 mm can i use 5 mm wood and will there be a defenses in the cutting
That depends on whether or not the file has joints, like making a box for instance.
Hello sir yes its a box
Hi, I'm not disbelieving you, but is this laser really the most powerful? Because, practically every manufacturer has the 20W laser. So is there a difference between the Sculpfun 20W laser module and the Atezr 20W laser module? Thanks for the review.
Yes, it is. This is 4, 6W diodes, while the others are either 5 or 5.5W diodes.
Okay friend, so this machine must be a lot more powerful for cutting wood and other materials for sure! But, despite that, is it worth to stop buying the Sculpfun S30 (20W) and buy the Atezr 24W? Well, it's only 4W more and Atezr is much more expensive! Thank you again.
@@Dancopymus Probably not.
Love you review Rich! I was wondering if you know can you tile projects that are larger than the available lasering area on these types of lasers using Lightburn?
Yes you can, with the Print & Cut feature in Lightburn.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Awesome! I will have to look into that feature. Also wondering what you think about this laser compared to the Xtool D1?
I would choose ant laser over the xTool.
Great review, thanks, I am convinced.
Me too! 🤪
Atzer or Atezr, as printed on the frame?
Atezr! Thank you!!
just got mine assembled
AND it is not finding this laser ugh. I went through all the same steps as my ortur but it is not finding it?
Try another USB port on your computer Sandy. And right click on Devices on the laser tab.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy ok I done that and nothing is happening? it showing the bluetooth port which doesn't do anything ? normally I have like usbmodem12345 or something like that but that isn't even there
Thanks Rich
My pleasure William!
Seems to be advertised as 20Watt
It's advertised as four 6W diodes. They choose to call it a 20W.
is this optical 24w or 3-4 5w diodes inline ?
Four 6W diodes, as I said in the video.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy sry i miss that :)