Well done chaps. Wonderful stuff. I'm a simple artist and have been thinking similar thoughts all my life. Discussing them with my scientific friends has always been problematic, as it's usually stuck in the woo woo category. Although I am not from a scientific background myself (son of a signal man), I approach the artistic endeavour through first principles and my work is very much informed by the mysteries that science examines. I particularly want to thank Mr Sheldrake for his encouragement. My life would have been a lot more problematic and unfulfilled, if it were not for the bravery and joy he has shown, when experimentally approaching the wonder of life. Thank you.
It's difficult because scientifically minded people generally assume materialism to assert materialism. Their view is nested in physicalist prejudice like a Russian doll - open one discussion and there's an identical one hidden inside it.
Coming back from a dmt trip, I first noticed,it's got facial hair (slight beard), it needs sustenance (I was hungry) basically coming back to my vessel in this realm. It makes me believe "I " am from outside my body, my body is my earthly vehicle, my brain only interprets 3d data.
Art is full of instances of thought transference, Turner's swirling skies of the hells wished upon us, equally the (curses of) storms of doom for shipping, H.Moores, infamous 'wh---re' statue, 'wh--re of the West', it's endless,..
I read him in the 1980s, loved his clear thinking with little nuggets from elsewhere, a very pleasant shock he is still here at his best. Thanks for upload
I like the idea that memory is retrodiction it is a 'prediction of the past'. And this is why we remember everything slightly differently, because we are remodeling the event. Trying to predict what happened. The guy goes onto say how we are constantly trying to predict every moment by modeling it. This is why being in an unfamiliar place or space has us feeling anxiety, because we havnt modeled it to a level where can comfortably predict what might happen. And why we feel comfortable after we have explored it sufficiently
It is often the case that the most innovative concepts are developed outside of a University environment. Thank you Rupert for your continued and important work.
Big yes (developed out side of Universities). If you understand ALL health and ill health are primarily, at root enabling and causation, respectively, 'macro social psycho somatic'. And that a, 'mass mesmerisation', is causing the 'wokist cognitive debilitation spectrum'. For which I would appreciate Copyright, since as far as I know, I AM the sole originator, author. Jrb🇬🇧
My brain - whatever it does or does not do - is fairly tingling with wonder after listening to this. Thank you both for the conversation that makes this happen. Paz y luz, everyone.💫 🎄💙💫
What a great conversation. I was only discussing this very idea of how the brain couldn't possibly store all of our memories just last week with my mother. I have forwarded this to her, I think she will find it most interesting. I have also recently become aware of thoughts appearing in frozen water and of holograms in the blood. Of course to the closed minded (most of the poplace) this all sounds preposterous. Indeed it would have sounded preposterous to mysefl not that long ago, but these last 4 or 5 years have led to a real awakening within me and I'm far happier for it. Thank you Rupert. I read Merlin's book recently too and found that facinating.
@@sdrc92126 theres no application of quantum mechanics at all to water memory storage.This sheldrake dude is discredited almost universally in neuroscience and is not even trained in this field,he is a plant physiologist .
Rupert Sheldrake has been blowing my mind ever since he did his talk on _Is the Sun Conscious?_ The man is a planetary treasure. I am so glad he exists.
Good discussion. I remember first reading about Morphic resonance, Rupert and Karl Pribram's holographic theory of memory in the late Michael Talbot's book The Holographic Universe. Seems as relevant as ever.
Yes, both resonance and specific individual key lock on is at play. Can attract like and can directly connect to individual spirit. We are spirits, all of us, with or without physical body at any given moment
I'm an avid follower of Rupert Sheldrake and I really believe he's on to something - but something occurred to me listening this, to do with memory being everywhere and nowhere rather that inside ourselves. If that were so, why don't we access other people's memories just as easily as our own?
When I worked as a software engineer, it was my job to make the impossible possible. I was a savant at looking at things differently, consistently from "outside the box", so to develop a solution for the problem, making it possible. The interesting thing about this was that after it was known that I had provided a solution, other engineers who could not solve the problem could suddenly solve it, not by seeing how I came to my solution, but by simply knowing that this presumed impossible thing was actually possible.
@@peterfrance7489 In my 68 years I have seen this happen over and over again. I even benefitted from this in high school, allowing me to solve calculus problems I initially thought too difficult -- I went on the assumption that a problem in a textbook had already been solved. I think the information is put out into the aether around us and other people pick up on it. To me, a Morphic Field makes perfect sense. I have followed the work of Dr. Sheldrake since the early 2000s simply because he was providing clues to answers to philosophical quandaries of the Mind I had long meditated on.
If only I had such an intuition in my schools days! I suspect it needs to be coupled with a modicum of talent too. My experience was a little different. I was something like 11 years old reading one of those old 'Life Science' books, and enjoying it. As I read the materiel would trigger other thoughts/ideas. To my surprise as I read on, a few pages further on those same ideas were there set down in print. This happened a number of times, but only with 'Life Science' books! I dismissed it but nonetheless I've never forgotten the curiosity. Have you happened across Michael Levin's work by any chance? A biologist engaged in some remarkable work. Plenty of his stuff on this platform.
It's interesting that some recipients of organ donors suddenly take up some of the habits and interests of the person who donated the organ without ever meeting or knowing anything about the donor.
Yes, one could think memories are store in the body. The driver could be emotion. Eckart Tolle speaks of the “painbody” 🙏🦋🙏 I would also be connected with the ego (so “seemingely” personal)
Yup. Same with blood donors. Memory is stored in the etheric body which is closely aligned with the physical. So, if you take an organ out of one person and give it to another, part of the etheric body, and that person's memory, goes with it. It normally takes three days for the etheric body to completely leave a dead body, so if the organ transfer is done within that time period, I would think this phenomenon is explainable by this. Be great if someone could do a study of the effect of organ removal on the recipient both within and without this three-day period.
I could never accept that animal instinct and behavior are determined solely by DNA. How could a bird's ability to navigate by the stars possibly derive from a sequence of nucleotides? Thank you Rupert, for your amazing insights!
@@matthewstokes1608 Jung was too mystical, this is why he(s work) is ostracized from modern "scientific" psychological debate. The only high profile intellectual(?) mentioning him is J. Peterson, but he also terribly misrepresents him, so it's disservice.
"How could a bird's ability to navigate by the stars possibly derive from a sequence of nucleotides" Because that sequence is honed by birds' varying reaction to the sight of stars.
I was married to a woman who could read the mind from others around her. She describeded it as a constant flow coming to her and said that it was heavy and made her tired. I tested it several times and she was always right with me.
it's true, perhaps not with the details, but with themes and issues, which seem to resonate within members of a household even when they do not speak to each other...
@@youtubeviewer5017 Ha, no, she s not alive anymore. She had a beauty salon, the first in town, and that went very well, with a richer clientele, she knew how to get these women to buy the most expensive cremes and stuf.
A breath of fresh air to have a critical thinker speak who truly follows the scientific method wherever it may lead, and doesn't kow-tow to the (usually wrong) consensus. If nothing else, quantum mechanics should have taught us that humans are not mere observers of an external universe, but in fact have a conscious will which is capable of changing that very universe just by the very act of making a decision (whether to observe the double slit experiment or not, for example), and even further than that, that thought itself has primacy over matter - as evidenced by the fact that before anything at all whatsoever of real consequence is done in the world, it first existed as a thought or thoughts in one or many people's minds. But having said this, personally I still maintain that quantum mechanics is a bit of an illusion, or at least smoke and mirrors, and that Einstein's assessment of the situation will eventually be vindicated as the true one.
@@Axiomatic75 it's common sense wisdom, if it's true. It's nothing I don't know already. He has a platform and he tells truth. Natural eternal law. All one must do is observe w/o dogma and NOT Think. you will discover that you dont know a thing.
I love the idea that memories aren't really stored but instead we access the actual information from those coordinates in Space where the events we experienced quite literally took place. Because everything is in constant motion then every event has unique location in Space. As it seems that Space is filled with microscopic wormholes, then we could be entangled with our unique path we have travelled through Space - and that we are constantly accessing that path in order to understand our place in the world. I'm software developer and from that perspective it would also make sense to store only references instead of trying to put entire data inside everyones brain. That would be incredible waste of resource and nature simply doesn't waste energy anywhere we look. So perhaps our brain is more like a map that reflects the part of the universe it has experienced since its birth. From this perspective memory disorders could be simply about "antenna being rusty" where brain cannot access the information due to some connectivity issues in the brain. It would also mean that there is record of everything that ever happened as sort of frozen frames in the fabric of Space.
Wow you've understood most of this well! There are literal stores though. And the info is tagged by a "key". Try to learn to pick up personal objects and get a feel for the person and try to connect. Over time you will then fully understand what you started to talk about.
It’s almost unthinkable that some people who are meant to be intelligent and intellectual can’t see beyond their own perspectives. But yet a half bake like me who dropped out of college can 😅
@@Acetyl53 Hadn't heard the term "hylic" before, from Gnosticism. Thanks. (To add one to your list: the anarchist humorist Michael Malice calls them "ballast" ;).)
In a way all those scientist who searched for the trace memory and didn't find it, paved the path for us to consider alternative options. Their failure in our "memory" enables the next step to be taken easier. Thank you for such a fascinating conversation! I feel a sense of wonder and excitement after watching.
Please understand that memory outside physical has been known for 1000s of years. They don't want you to know about this because it gives those who know power over those who do not know this.
@@ronlentjes2739 That’s quite interesting information! Could you provide the sources? I would really love to read about examples of an “outside” memory!
@@Noname-w7f1e so many sources over years. Here is most recent RUclips: Hint, I found that with internet. You can also search the conscience/spiritual database. It is linked generally by resonance as categories of like info and by direct key frequency of an individual's conscience - pick up something personal and hold it until you get a sense of the owner of that object and you will directly connect. Like anything, it takes practice. Another way is to think about a problem that you cannot solve but leave it be and wait for an answer back as a thought form. We are not taught this as it is occult (just means hidden, not evil). Those in power don't want you to know this as it gives them advantage over those who don't know this. Some Bible's say it is evil to know but that is only because they want to control you.
An excellent and relevant discussion for today's changes in society. I definitely agree that memories at least long term memories are not stored in the brain, halo-graphically or specifically and will add more on this shortly but some experiments on prefrontal surgeries and the patience tests on remembering post operation seem to place at least 4-6 hour recall within the brain and nothing there after. While there is some coherence in the tech metaphors you mention, I think the brain is an interpreter of some experiences and processor of others but not using time dilation, as in transmission, because the brain and we operate in the moment of the current point in time. In observing friends with brain cancer and tumors and the progression, it becomes obvious that the brain functions are dynamic, loss of one ability in higher sense like maths or music is lost or replaced by a lower function if the lower requirement for the person is of a higher importance...loosing use of an arm to be regained over a few weeks to support physical activities but then loose the ability for basic maths in adding items while shopping. This more implies physical positions in the brain are replaced fundamentally rather than the passing over of engrams although I am sure the engram is not the direct, specific, physical and exact measurement of a particular brain action or function, as you mention by the physical experiments because it lives outside the brain. Even the wave patterns are not physical area specific indicators nor would they necessarily be a direct read of the thoughts as this operation is not known, as the wave pattern may well be only a part of the thought, part of a bigger wave or merely just an energy surge and not related to the information carried, so measuring waves or motions of waves across the brain is in itself are unknown and cannot be used to verify brain function. While the morphic resonance can be a sort of universal encapsulation as you mentioned, using it to describe in singularity by the different wave aspects of different materials things, animals, nature, galaxies and molecules is not useful as all of these mentioned waves are different in frequency and content and their specific relevance to each other is zero and collectively towards a greater model is not supportive. I also agree on your view that all these things cannot be crammed into the DNA and the main programming tool as this level of coding relates directly to physical functions, proteins etc, and Jung's use of the collective does not quite run as it relies on ESP style functions in brains of the different animals and insects that may or may not be developed to the same or correct degree. I value more the rationale of the same collective production of a brain from DNA and soul, the cell position and allocation, must provide a small section of the brain for fundamental survival, like sensors and motor operations similar to operation of heart memory cells in maintaining a level of autonomous functions. As with the similarity of resonance of twins from birth, the tuning up into other people, the presence of memories or nature are everywhere and others examples, all have a direct relation correlation to ESP functions of the metaphysical world and subject. From my early childhood years of certain experiences that could not be explained to me until in later teen years when I caught up with the works in eastern religions and Buddhism did my understanding provide answers and unfortunately an area of study that is far from 100% empirically verifiable. We live in two worlds, the physical and metaphysical, and our body, DNA, chemicals represent the physical and the spirit, soul and memories represent the metaphysical from what religions call god or really the God structure. At birth we are infused with the spirit, our energy and motive drive, the soul for ego, awareness and consciousness, and memories especially karmic that form the basic directions for our life learning or heroes journeys. We need learning to become useful as human beings but it also allows the soul to evolve and the main reason why we are here. This connection to the God structure, gives us the immortality that Jesus spoke of, the depth of functions of the soul for storing our memories, the laws that govern us like cause and effect and karma, our interconnection to other people, usually who are close, the connection for the collective as Jung puts it and the energy that lives within all things. The brain for me is a video processing unit that runs on a physical DNA controlled substrate, with some inherent animal memory for directing a boot load caused at birth, like spinning webs or suckling, a basic operating system if you like metaphors, and as you grow and learn how to walk and talk and later more advance activities, wires the brain into a format that supports each day of programming and learning to survive in the world the entity was born into. The brain needs to wire up speech centres, hearing interpretive functions, mathematical processors that are tied indirectly into the speech, hearing, seeing, thinking, ego, emotive related functions and all this requires an enormous capacity of neurons, with the capacity to store sufficient memories for acting in the moment, nominally only around 4-6 hours, while all long term memory is stored in the soul. These long term memories is what is accessible on recall, near death and on the rare occasion can be recalled in youth in the next life, can be accessed by hypnosis and if reflected upon provides additional re-learning or supportive learning functions associated with experience with morphic resonance driving the whole multi-layered video presentation. The learning of associated/family members is by observation and copying, monkey see programming, and not the transference of thought although we can pick up ideas from the transference which we can then enact the process to cement it into our skill set, physical reactions and the memories. This existential understanding of our system particularly the brain provides an incorrect understanding for the artificial intelligence researchers about how we think, reason and the rationale of morals, at least in the cyborg world. Psychology is the one scientific field that cannot function correctly at 100% without the understanding of the interrelation our physical has with its metaphysical self. You can have an understanding on chemical and biological processes, electrical and physics with the possible exception to the universe and the big bang. We are of two worlds but we normally only talk to one of us.
Yep. I totally hear yah. Memories and our personality and everything we think and feel are stored in the spiritual world. We have not just resonance but literal keys to our individual collection. If you pick up an item belonging to someone you can tune into that individual specifically. If you get a warning sign that someone is in trouble you can lock into that key and see through their eyes that the are eg on the ground looking at the surroundings and if lucky can pickup specific thing like street sign to find them. Absolutely true. Learn shamanism. Learn about occult (hidden) teachings. Learn who you really are. We are spirits inhabiting a physical body to experience this physical world. When we "die" we shed our physical body. We continue to live as spirit with the same personality and issues that we had seconds before we lost our body. We are ALWAYS spirit with or without a physical body. We can incarnate into any life form on any planet. We are spirit.
I admire Sheldrakes persistence in the face of so much counter-intention. He holds his position in light while all around him stab in the dark at phantoms.
The leather elbow patches are both classic and practical for an academic, Rupert's 'Science Delusion' is a book I keep returning to, this conversation is illuminating
...reminded me I needed to order a new sweater. I don't know why I get so distracted while listening to this conversation. Maybe it's the tone of their voices.
One of the major hypotheses in String Theory physics about the universe today is that it is a type of hologram. This idea was developed mathematically by theoretical physicists such as Gerard t'Hooft, Leonard Susskind, and Juan Maldacena among others. On a “simpler” level in modern technology, holograms can themselves be created, manipulated and interpreted with the mathematical process known as Fourier transform. In the area of brain research, Dr. Paul Pietsch came to the conclusion that all memory of any type was created through some type of Fourier-transform-like process and stored in a mathematical dimension he called “transform space.” He came to this conclusion after teaching around 700 salamanders to do certain tricks, then extracting their brains, chopping them up or turning them upside down, backwards, etc. and replacing them. (This is possible with salamanders.) After healing, the “re-brained” salamanders remembered the tricks. Pietsch reported his work and findings in Shuffle Brain: The Quest for the Hologramic Mind (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1981). Thus in two different scientific areas, some theorists have postulated that everyday reality emerges from a more basic level. The particle physicists themselves are unconcerned with biological aspects (and hence memory), yet calculate a dimension superordinate to ours, one extruding 3+1-D spacetime (although the math describes things timelessly, as “laws”), while Pietsch portrays lived experiences as becoming frozen in time as memory. The phenomenon of holography is used as an interpretive concept in both fields. The base guides the form of its expression. If brain researcher Pietsch and hologram-hypothesizing physicists and mathematicians (e.g., David Bohm) are correct in their tentative conclusions, then morphic resonance and morphic fields (i.e., the universal role of memory in formative causation) may be simply a different way of talking about reality as a holographic structure. This would be true in particular with reference to the dimension of time and the mutual interaction between the hologrammic cosmos and its mnemonic undergirding. On the pre-death phenomenon known as “terminal lucidity.” In some cases when people afflicted with severe mental impairment (psychiatric or neurological disorders), usually in old age, but sometimes due to other causes, are about to die in the last days or hours of life, they suddenly become fully alert and normal, able to converse intelligently with others for the first time in years. This is due to the fact that neurological or other impairments are the first bodily elements to weaken and die, preceding the complete systemic failure and death of the entire body. Their disintegration allows the restoration or “unblocking” of communication between the remaining body and its soul. With this interference removed, the soul (morphic field) is then able to transmit proper functioning to what remains of the body even as death approaches. 𝖁𝖊𝖗𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖘 𝖑𝖎𝖇𝖊𝖗𝖆𝖇𝖎𝖙 𝖛𝖔𝖘.
Interesting discussion. I have noticed for many years that the general atmosphere of a dream and sometimes a few details will come back to me if I return to bed and put my head back on the pillow, sometimes even a long time later. Maybe it is just a contextual reminder, but I wondered if it goes further and a side effect of dreaming may be to imprint some sort of memory onto nearby materials outside the body.
We are spirit. We natively communicate to spiritual world and communication is by thought forms and happens instantly faster than speed of light. We must communicate to our physical bodies via telekinesis (to control) and esp (to sense) and this requires translation and is slow and limited by speed of light. Though we can directly move arms eg without going through nervous system this lifting humungous weights when required so on.
Dr Sheldrake: I haven't red your book, and as soon as it's possible I'll do it. I find the idea of morphic resonance very enticing intellectually and from the creative point of view since I'm a fine artist coming from the science field (I've been an engineer all my life). I couldn't avoid jumping to the conclusion that the functional structure of the brain might have a lot to do with how we're able to perceive those wave patterns, and probably ride them during the creative process. It comes to mind the work of Dr Iain McGilchrist on how the brain works, and how an emphasis on propositional knowing (Prof. John Vervaeke), fundamentally of a left-brain function, limits the field of knowing and creation, and could potentially lead us into a dangerous blind alley as a civilization. It sounds to me as if the right portion of the brain could have a capacity to interpret more complex and timeless wave patterns when compared to the left portion that appears to only seek consistence of content. Thus, the marriage of these portions could lead to the flourishing of a creative mind. If this is so, GI and the way we measure it (it may need to be revised in light of your hypothesis), could have a lot to do on our ability to perceive those wave patterns, which in turn could indicate that this ability could be developed with proper training.
Given our cells turnover every few days or a couple of weeks at most depending on type, but yet we can remember facts from many years before, to me itself raises the question how are memories passed on at cellular level. Given our cells are ultimately made up of quarks, leptons, bosons, electrons etc which ultimately are wave forms (or particles depending on observed measurement) has to mean there is more to this subject than the basic view that the brain stores everything as all wave forms interact with others in the environment. I know many scientists discredit the morphic resonance theory but actually it makes a lot of sense and provides a robust answer to some of these difficult questions. I take my hat of to Rupert, I think he has nailed it!
There are well documented cases of recipients of transplant organs, having memories and or habits of the dead donors. One particular case involved a young girl who received a heart transplant. She then started having vivid nightmares of a man killing a little girl. Eventually the police were called in and they were able to find a suspect that matched the man in the dream, and who lived in a location that matched the dream. This lead to the arrest of the man who confessed to killing a little girl -the donor of the heart AND words said in the dream exactly matched the words the evil killer used as the little girl lay dying. The assumption here is that memory can be stored in other organs as well as the brain.
I wonder if oncological elective (radical) surgery advice is legitimate to be given to patients without offering a treatment of lost memories and obligatory help in pshychological adaptation
When I've had deep tissue massages, or given them to others using my own training (not professional yet, so I don't charge), it's common to trigger stressful memories from years ago. Gentle pressure on a knot between someone's shoulderblades might cause them to remember a beating they received as a child, starting with the smell of blood. Unwinding twisted ligaments in my mom's knee caused her to hear and re-live the time her knee exploded during a rodeo accident, then she smelled the antiseptic used during her surgery. So I'm watching this video under the presupposition that memories are stored across multiple systems in the body, from brains to sinews, and I look forward to learning more.
I went to an osteopath once who pressed different areas of my body, and when it hurt, he'd ask: 'what happened when you were 8? 30? 35? depending on the body part. Every pain corresponded to one of the three major traumas in my life. He found them 'stored' in my body.
I saw a friend, of some senior years, a sweeter person to could meet, and very beautiful, but her shoulders, back, just by appearance, reveal she is carrying a whole lot of stress, whether wgqt you might say 'her own', or that dumped on her, 'put there, by the influence of others upon her. This applies to how many people, all? All health and ill health and at root, primary, enabling and causation, respectively, 'macro social psycho somatic'. Copyright to me, thank you . Jrb🇬🇧
Here's a thought that occurred to me while on holiday recently. Have you noticed that there has been a sudden change in the behaviour of some fish in the Mediterranean. You can look up newspaper articles about it but I can tell you directly from my own experiences. The fish are suddenly biting people who are paddling in the sea. Mostly they are just biting off dead skin but on a few occasions they have been drawing blood. As I say this behaviour is new (happening since the last three or four years) but now becoming widespread across the Med. So here's my thought about it. About a decade ago a new fashion arose for fish pedicures. People willingly dipping their feet into tanks to let the fish nibble at them. In some places like the UK this has been banned for health reasons but in Crete where I was staying there are still lots of outlets that specialise in fish pedicures. Anyway, coming to the point, could it be the fish have been taught a new behaviour that is now spreading by morphic resonance? That's my thought in a nutshell.
This is a very good detail. I'm Greek and I never remember fish biting to eat dead skin. I've been to many shores near my hometown, and never had the problem. I left for the US, and was coming back almost every year. It's only in the last 4-5 years that I experienced fish biting. It's really weird. It's as if the fish learned that behavior.
Oh! You may be true. I'm 72 and live in a Mediterranean island. Swam into the sea every summer of my life since I was a baby and I was never bitten by fishes... now since 4 or 5 years every time I enter into the sea in shallow waters I'm biten by them. I had thought they were alien species not present here before. I wonder if some biologist ever made a research about this.
Complete nonsense, what any animal learns cannot be passed genetically,even if it could,the amount of fish that are used for this practice is microscopic compared to the millions of fish in the med sea.
@@scarred10 My comment is entirely in reference to the discussion on the video and to Rupert Sheldrake's idea of morphic resonance. Did you watch the video? Do you even know what his theory proposes? If not, then why bother commenting on my suggestion at all. Or if you do understand how my comment fits into the broader debate then why instead of contesting this minor point, are you not directly challenging Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance?
This is such a profound concept that is both elegant and logical. I'm surprised that that nobody has considered that Professor Michael Levin's groundbreaking work with morphic bioelectric fields validates and expands on this very powerful concept
Aristotle and Origen both taught “mind from without”. cf. Tzamalikos, Guilty of Genius: Origen and the Theory of Transmigration. Tzamalikos discusses Origen’s teaching on logoi by way of Anaxagoras. Amazing resonance!!!
@@halfacanuck Tzamalikos synthesizes the Anaxagorean/Origenian cosmology in such a lofty way! I truly appreciate Panayiotis Tzamalikos, MSc, MPhil, PhD, Professor of Philosophy, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki!!! He’s my hero! 😘
@@halfacanuck We have sacrificed knowledge of the whole for analysis of the parts. As if the Mona Lisa was subjected to spectral analysis of paint compounds and fibres to determine whether the painting produced a visceral response in the viewer. Interesting to art historians and chemists, but completely missing the point of the art.
Leonardo da Vinci said " The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity).. Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue " The Republic " tells the parable of " The Cave " Plato starts by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein..Klein bottle..3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm..socialisation of consciousness.. aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance, let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant..synthetic a priori judgement..not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa..stilling the mind and conscious astral travel..leaving the cave/body. Plato tells us that the prisoners will reject this release, let us examine this rejection via the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome..Plato quotes Homer..forgive them for they know not what they say. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. Mathew 23 13 31.
The search for memories stored in the brain is like the search for dark matter, if it is not found at the location searched, it can always be claimed that it must be somewhere else. Therefore it is not falsifiable.
This is just great- really gripping, but also not surprising..somehow. I have believed in these theories for many years but not heard them voiced publicly.
Bravo...broadening the canvas of understanding brings us closer to our own mystery, we exist in and are part of the field of potentiality, therefore we are fluid and flexible, as electro-magnetic life forms we resonate and that resonance wave is translatable across all life forms and matter...Moreau said all art is an attempt at understanding our nothingness, art is better at expressing our essential nature and mystery.
Please oh please if you aren’t already familiar with him, look up Michael Levin’s work (at Tufts university) on the role of bioelectric morphogenesis in frog embryos and planaria development and regeneration. He didn’t set out to determine what memory is, but his findings are highly relevant to this discussion! Especially relevant is the fact that his group can use bioelectric patterns to cause planaria to “remember” to grow a different head type, including heads that were millions of years back in their evolutionary history. No DNA is altered in the lab, only the bioelectric patterning.
You know, after looking at how DALL-E and ChatGPT work - I wonder if it makes some intuitive sense. None of those models stores any actual images or text, yet they will generate text and images based on the probability of how close certain elements are based on what they have learnt. If our mind is a giant neural network and most of these systems are modeled to be as close to a series of neurons as possible then it could make sense that memory, dreams and so on could might follow a similar mechanism? where computers depend on a couple of dimensions, it might seem that we have a few more senses in place - but the existence of something like Synesthesia as a condition could mean the senses are not as seperate as they seem. There also seems to be some very facinating emergent features coming out of the findings coming out of large language models - and I think they will give us a lot of insight into how our brains might work as well. Being a bit bold and taking a leap here, I wonder if these models will do more for bio engineering and bio hacking than general purpose compute and searches.
Awesome conversation!!! Thank´s for this! I think, we are sailing in the sea of possibilities. So the question is: how can we adjust our antennas to receive informations? Who or what decides, what we are allowed to know? Our superconsciousness? Here in Germany there used to be a game at fairgrounds in my childhood, a kind of lottery. You paid and were allowed to pull a cord from a bundle of cords. Then you either pulled a blank or you won something. That reminds me to the term "intuition".
You adjust the frequency like the dial on a radio. To start learning, pick up things like a brush that only one person uses and get a feel for who it is. That is adjusting the antenna - it's dynamic. Be sure you are eating healthy non processed foods to make easier at first. Because some chemicals reduced you ability. NO VACCINES. They deliberately cut you off.
If had vaccines (or processed foods), learn to fast, long fasting from time to time. This we fix your system in many ways. Fasting also kills cancer as it starves it of sugar and body repairs itself so on. And the use of ketones so on.
Well yes, we already have a model where our digital devices rely heavily on data storage and computing in the cloud, which then allows the physical devices to scale in size and abilities. The next iteration will be the physical shell of a robotic body with local computing and data storage, but the artificial intelligence behind it will be in the cloud.
Ha, yes I noticed how computers behave is often telling us about mind, our minds. You meet someone, pick a topic, and 'randomly' it's close to their hearts or of similar recent experience. You are in fact scanning the recent, in common, -windows- of their mind.
I was about to say Wordle should respond in this way, when Rupert mentioned it. If I have done the puzzle first, I have to make a conscious effort not to recall the answer or my wife seems to get it in fewer attempts. A couple of years ago I recalled in perfect detail a fragrance I haven't smelt in 40 years. I didn't smell the perfume, or anything that reminded me of it, nor was I thinking of the person who last wore it, but the precise scent was recalled to mind. Where had this smell been hiding? In some dusty corner of the brain, or was it emitting the same aroma through space and time awaiting an opportunity to manifest? One of the consistent features of near death experiences is a life review, "life flashing before ones eyes" as people used to to say. This suggests our experiences are recorded on some yet to be understood "off-line cloud".
Maybe life being 'recorded' is not a particularly helpful way of thinking at this phenomenon. Perhaps it would be more efficient to conjure up an overarching dimension (or under-arching) that is not bound by time as we understand it. A view that can dip into anyone's experience at any time at will. Time in NDE's appears to bear little resemblance to time in the our normal world after all. I suppose this begs the question whether this meta-view can view the future. God knows!
@@borderlands6606 Sorry, it may well not be too woo for you but I just happened on a pertinent discussion - search yt "Our 9 Dimensional Existence EXPLAINED" Aubrey Marcus platform, about 30 mins in
So what are you saying is, we basically have some sort of a hive mind? When a group of people start working on something, on solving some problem, we all find it easier to solve after? Honestly, it's not that unbelievable if you consider we are literally made of the same stuff (so it's probably very easy to spread anything, like a drop of dye in the water), and consciousness is most likely the very basic, foundational characteristic of it... Connection like that opens up quite a lot of possibilities.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. The snag is, there is a lot essentially poisonous, thinking, motphic fields 'out their', impacting, our morphic fields, i suppose we mught say. Generally ALL health is 'macro social psycho* somatic', Copyright to me. . *Except 'psycho' , and 'macro psycho', would have to include everything Sheldrake and for example, Stuart Kouffman, know about, mind to mind, and mind and quantum physics, so not really my own work, but a combining of these, others? Jrb🇬🇧
Ida Rolf, now deceased? Claimed 50 years ago that the connective tissue that connects one's total body parts retains all our memories. I will go with memories are within our bodies and this includes our skulls, too. Now I'll listen to what Sheldon thinks... Ida Rolf founded Rolfing, which is Body Work. I had a few sessions and reacted with tears and memories when my stomach was worked on. There is an Institute named after her in Boulder, CO.
As humans, we experience the feeling of "access" the moment we are able to recall a specific memory from our past. This feeling of access deceives us into believing that our memories are resident in our brain, when in reality those memories are elsewhere.
I’ve been getting more snd more telepathic as I get older. I’d say I’m pretty strongly telepathic, for a human. I’ve been reading Dogs That Know when Their Owners Are Coming Home 😂. I’ve noticed that, when I’m in the vicinity of an obelisk, my telepathy is very noticeably enhanced. I discovered this organically and then researched obelisks because of my experiences. Obelisks are known to enhance spiritual powers. I think the theory of the morphic fields makes sense based on my experience with obelisks enhancing my telepathy significantly. An obelisk seems to be a tool that amplifies energy within morphic field.
The 2 persons discussing this idea that memories are not stored in the brain, but exist as electromagnetic waves outside the brain, and the brain is just a “generator’ and a “receiver” of those waves. If it is essential that the “medium” of memory is EM waves, there are two seemingly insurmountable problems. First, EM waves can certainly carry information by changes in frequency and amplitude, just like radio waves. However, they travel at the speed of light (SOL). So, if information is emanating at the SOL, it must be in packets of some defined time, and not continuous emanation of the same information. This means that to receive the information, those waves must return at the correct time to be translated back to thoughts and speech. I would like to hear an explanation as to where the information goes that it can return at exactly the right time to interact with other EM info to allow coherent thought and conversations. Second, EM waves are not a very good medium. People shielded in metal enclosures can still think and are mentally “normal” despite the absence of influence of outside EM. Furthermore, EM can be easily distorted or interfered with - as by solar flares which can KNOCK OUT power grids (but not our brains). Stand next to a subway train and you are exposed to kilovolts of electrical noise so strong it can distort magnetic field recordings of subjects 3 blocks away. Yet your brain will not notice. Please explain in detail what form of EM could possibly support memory function as you claim.
Many (many) years ago I though that brains were more like a laser pickup inside a DVD player, with the actual content (the "DVD") being some sort of quantum structure, hence fundamentally intractable. So studying brain structure, fascinating as it is, would only tell us how that _read/write_ mechanism works, nothing else.
And when we are dreaming , where are these images, ideas, adventures coming from. They aren't just mixed up memories. Many of my dreams are completely original. Meaning that many of my dreams are of places I've never been, people I've never met. Tesla, Bach, and many other creators have said that there ideas came to them in their sleep. Just another thing to consider.
Excellent spot on and true. Memories and our personality and everything we think and feel are stored in the spiritual world. We have not just resonance but literal keys to our individual collection. If you pick up an item belonging to someone you can tune into that individual specifically. If you get a warning sign that someone is in trouble you can lock into that key and see through their eyes that the are eg on the ground looking at the surroundings and if lucky can pickup specific thing like street sign to find them. Absolutely true. Learn shamanism. Learn about occult (hidden) teachings. Learn who you really are. We are spirits inhabiting a physical body to experience this physical world. When we "die" we shed our physical body. We continue to live as spirit with the same personality and issues that we had seconds before we lost our body. We are ALWAYS spirit with or without a physical body. We can incarnate into any life form on any planet. We are spirit.
I thought it has been clear for some time now that memory is one of the functions of the brain, but individual memories are not stored in specific places - like in files of a computer. Memory is a dynamic process that constantly works with our accumulated knowledge and experiences. So, every meaningful new experience that is memorized, changes the "landscape" of our earlier memories. Our whole body is active in this; that is why certain smells, sounds, images or touches may bring back memories that we did not even know we had. There is no single memory center in the brain; several parts of the brain are involved in memorizing and remembering.
If memories are stored generally in the brain describe the mechanism by which this happens. How can this general storage hypothesis be proven scientifically? Physics tells me that there are forces outside the brain that impact upon it.
What a beautiful discussion. Are there others here who see a connection with the Hermetic Principles ? The Principle of Vibration. The ALL is mental. The holographic universe.
Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance also resonates (pardon the pun) with the 1991 book by Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe. Talbot's synthesis of the research suggests that a person's DNA may also serve as the channel or tuner for linking up with one's individual memories, similar to Sheldrake's metaphor of the TV set.
If you want to go further, you should consider Bergson's framework. From my understanding HB explains perception by postulating how the brain/body specifies a reconstructed wave from invariance laws structured in an underlying holographic wave field. It leads very nicely into Gibson's theories of affordances. If you want a thorough analysis and articulation you should check out Stephen E. Robbins RUclips channel or publications.
@@S.G.Wallner If you can point me to a book that explains Bergson for a scientific layperson like myself I'd appreciate it. I tried reading Sheldrake's Presence of the Past but find I get bogged down in all the physics and quantum mechanics. I have more of the poet's mind. I find Sheldrake's talks easier to follow.
While listening to this interview I just thought how much little we actually know about how things work in our body, organs and etc...can u imagine the faulty assumptions we have about for instance brain holding all that info...so what do we really know about ourselves.. and even more bizarre, how we survive and lived up to now with invalid info about our nature:))
Aspects of non-locality seem required to explain several phenomena. Not sure why so many anchor on hard materialism as a default reality as though you have to build a case against it, when it itself has never been properly backed. I consider this abuse of the null hypothesis as a magical Truth freebie. It is bizarre and extremely frustrating.
As you listen to people talking about anything, your brain conjures up images, recollections, of past experiences connected with the words that are used. Memories, if you will... the words trigger visions. Solve this riddle and perhaps you may solve the problem of why some people are predisposed to believe just about anything they hear or read, because it matches up with something they already think they have all figured out.
Its weird how many scientists want to think of everything that exists is separate bits and pieces and science is there somehow to bring it all together. But a majority forget or ignore there’s a spiritual input too that cannot be quantified or measured
It seems most people with controversial ideas avoid the subject of experimenting and testing their ideas but Rupert Sheldrake is asking for more experiments and more testing of his.
I read a book by Lyall Watson called super nature , He was a biologist , zoologist, botanist, anthropologist, He also wrote many other fascinate books, on examples of natural intuition, and examples of predictions etc. He name it The Contingent effect, Or the 100 monkey effect. If monkey learnt a new idea on one island, and gradually more monkeys also learnt this new idea from observation, Then the same species of monkeys on another island also took on this new idea or habit without visually observing it. once a certain percentage of a species acquire new knowledge , then that knowledge is transferred to the same species at a distance,
Scientologists believe the mind (mental image pictures) surround the spiritual being in a field, independent of the body. The brain merely a switchboard. To recall a past event, the being places their attention on the recording, allowing them to replay the event or access any recorded information.
Good conversation, my first introduction to these ideas and I agree they are important. But, I suggest more rigor is advised than what I'm getting from this conversation, particularly when "non-orthodox" ideas are certain to be attacked and dismissed: to hypothesize that memories are wave patterns and not localized "bit storage" in our brains is a leap, although I believe one that warrants exploration. But, that does not require that "memories exist across time" -- as in, across "space-time", and are non-localized and separate from our physical forms, as they seem to be suggesting. Memories could be waveforms, with the copies of the full memory of the specific form widely, physically distributed in duplicate copies in some bio/physical memory structures within our bodies (and brains...), with the requisite circumstances triggering the re-energization of the original form. No tuning-in across space-time required. Take one piece of this at a time.
I beleive morphic resonance effects us way more than Rupert says which is Why I admire his dialog hes not pushing it down your throat so to speak But I think Every person who commutes to work in the morning sees the collective example traffic !
Alex, are you interested in promoting Bergson's metaphysic? Edit: I'm very interested in dispelling the intertwining dogmas of cognitive science, machine learning, modern physics and information theories. I also believe that a new style of thinking can unlock these fields. Finally, I actually have said something along the lines of, "memories aren't stored in the brain," to my neuroscience colleagues, and the responses ranged from confusion to disdain to anger and a few who were intrigued.
Having done postgraduate work in cognitive science, I'm not surprised your neuroscience colleagues get angry. Using MRI machines, TMS devices, EEG equipment etc. for neuroscience research all costs money. Accepting memories aren't in the brain means that many of the research claims in neuroscience departments can no longer be properly justified. They are scared they will lose their funding and be seen as no better than the guys working in the philosophy department. Ironically, many of those in the philosophy department are trying to hang out more in the neuroscience labs in order to make themselves appear more "respectable." In my opinion, "Matter and Memory" is one of the very few books on the nature of consciousness and the brain worth reading.
i mostly agree with sheldrake, but i dont think his hypothesis needs to go as far as the laws of physics. they arent written down laws that can be held, they are just patterns of behavior of things in reality as we have measured them so far. i think about them in a sense of finding the ultimate cause for all of the effects we view, and just like how you cant look beyond the big bang, you cant divide the cause any further down than the laws of nature. also they seem to be constant as they are consistent across time seeing that we can view them in the past by looking at how galaxies behave that are really far away.
What would be the "output" function of the brain? Maybe decoding experience into memory and upload it into time? If so, memories could have some short term physical allocation in the brain during the process.
Words like input and output imply a computer metaphor. Some experts like Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett would argue that it's not an accurate metaphor. The role of the brain is to regulate our systems so we survive, and it does that by receiving signals from the body and makes predictions to make us take the optimal action to balance our energy budget. The brain uses past experiences to make those predictions, so memories are reassembled every time it is recalled.
The output of the brain can only be the current thought and state. Not all info that can be accessed which includes your info and others info for 10000s plus years... Put it another way. The brain is just a TV. The only thing you can output would be the current frame.
Consider the sparklers that we Americans play with around the 4th of July. At night, we can swing them around and all sorts of ways and make these designs like figure eights. And to us they appear to be real figure eights right. But it's actually just a product of both the environment and the modeling machine that we call our brains. Well I think this is how this illusion to consciousness also works
But I am an admirer of dr. Rupert Sheldrake after reading his books that show me that even the number of lottery obeys the morphic resonance when you put the long series of their results on geometry and apply the laws of topology
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He is a reminder that true science thinks outside the box. I love this man.
Well done chaps. Wonderful stuff. I'm a simple artist and have been thinking similar thoughts all my life. Discussing them with my scientific friends has always been problematic, as it's usually stuck in the woo woo category. Although I am not from a scientific background myself (son of a signal man), I approach the artistic endeavour through first principles and my work is very much informed by the mysteries that science examines. I particularly want to thank Mr Sheldrake for his encouragement. My life would have been a lot more problematic and unfulfilled, if it were not for the bravery and joy he has shown, when experimentally approaching the wonder of life. Thank you.
It's difficult because scientifically minded people generally assume materialism to assert materialism. Their view is nested in physicalist prejudice like a Russian doll - open one discussion and there's an identical one hidden inside it.
Is there anywhere online one can see your art?
I have a RUclips channel where we explore the intersections of science and art. Would you be interested in joining me as a guest?
Coming back from a dmt trip, I first noticed,it's got facial hair (slight beard), it needs sustenance (I was hungry) basically coming back to my vessel in this realm. It makes me believe "I " am from outside my body, my body is my earthly vehicle, my brain only interprets 3d data.
Art is full of instances of thought transference, Turner's swirling skies of the hells wished upon us, equally the (curses of) storms of doom for shipping, H.Moores, infamous 'wh---re' statue, 'wh--re of the West', it's endless,..
I read him in the 1980s, loved his clear thinking with little nuggets from elsewhere, a very pleasant shock he is still here at his best. Thanks for upload
I like the idea that memory is retrodiction it is a 'prediction of the past'. And this is why we remember everything slightly differently, because we are remodeling the event. Trying to predict what happened.
The guy goes onto say how we are constantly trying to predict every moment by modeling it. This is why being in an unfamiliar place or space has us feeling anxiety, because we havnt modeled it to a level where can comfortably predict what might happen. And why we feel comfortable after we have explored it sufficiently
It is often the case that the most innovative concepts are developed outside of a University environment. Thank you Rupert for your continued and important work.
Give examples. I'd suggest it's a tiny proportion.
Big yes (developed out side of Universities).
If you understand ALL health and ill health are primarily, at root enabling and causation, respectively, 'macro social psycho somatic'.
And that a, 'mass mesmerisation', is causing the 'wokist cognitive debilitation spectrum'.
For which I would appreciate Copyright, since as far as I know, I AM the sole originator, author. Jrb🇬🇧
I love listening to Rupert Sheldrake's ideas. Thank you!
'Same - he's such a gentle but strong, respectful, rational soul. (Dot)
My brain - whatever it does or does not do - is fairly tingling with wonder after listening to this.
Thank you both for the conversation that makes this happen.
Paz y luz, everyone.💫
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What a great conversation. I was only discussing this very idea of how the brain couldn't possibly store all of our memories just last week with my mother. I have forwarded this to her, I think she will find it most interesting. I have also recently become aware of thoughts appearing in frozen water and of holograms in the blood. Of course to the closed minded (most of the poplace) this all sounds preposterous. Indeed it would have sounded preposterous to mysefl not that long ago, but these last 4 or 5 years have led to a real awakening within me and I'm far happier for it. Thank you Rupert. I read Merlin's book recently too and found that facinating.
I had this idea in the 5th grade
Of course there are no thoughts stored in water or blood,have you actually formally studied neurophysiology.
@@scarred10 Depends on how much quantum mechanics is involved
@@sdrc92126 theres no application of quantum mechanics at all to water memory storage.This sheldrake dude is discredited almost universally in neuroscience and is not even trained in this field,he is a plant physiologist .
@@scarred10 I mean more specifically to memory and neuroscience. I studied pysics, I on't know what water memory is or claims t do.
Mr Sheldrake is such a nice person. I love the way he shares knowledge.
Rupert Sheldrake has been blowing my mind ever since he did his talk on _Is the Sun Conscious?_ The man is a planetary treasure. I am so glad he exists.
Yes, he's fascinating. Are you familiar with David Chalmers? Robert Sapolski is also a kindred intellect.
@@rileyhoffman6629 no! I will look them up. Thanks!
Could he have been inspired by Solaris by Lem?
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Rupert Sheldrake has been blowing my willy!
Good discussion. I remember first reading about Morphic resonance, Rupert and Karl Pribram's holographic theory of memory in the late Michael Talbot's book The Holographic Universe. Seems as relevant as ever.
Yes, both resonance and specific individual key lock on is at play. Can attract like and can directly connect to individual spirit. We are spirits, all of us, with or without physical body at any given moment
I'm an avid follower of Rupert Sheldrake and I really believe he's on to something - but something occurred to me listening this, to do with memory being everywhere and nowhere rather that inside ourselves. If that were so, why don't we access other people's memories just as easily as our own?
When I worked as a software engineer, it was my job to make the impossible possible. I was a savant at looking at things differently, consistently from "outside the box", so to develop a solution for the problem, making it possible. The interesting thing about this was that after it was known that I had provided a solution, other engineers who could not solve the problem could suddenly solve it, not by seeing how I came to my solution, but by simply knowing that this presumed impossible thing was actually possible.
"by simply knowing that this presumed impossible thing was actually possible"
That's the mechanism you assume. It might be something else.
Like the four minute mile.
Do you know if the others adopted an approach similar to yours?
@@peterfrance7489 In my 68 years I have seen this happen over and over again. I even benefitted from this in high school, allowing me to solve calculus problems I initially thought too difficult -- I went on the assumption that a problem in a textbook had already been solved. I think the information is put out into the aether around us and other people pick up on it. To me, a Morphic Field makes perfect sense. I have followed the work of Dr. Sheldrake since the early 2000s simply because he was providing clues to answers to philosophical quandaries of the Mind I had long meditated on.
If only I had such an intuition in my schools days! I suspect it needs to be coupled with a modicum of talent too. My experience was a little different. I was something like 11 years old reading one of those old 'Life Science' books, and enjoying it. As I read the materiel would trigger other thoughts/ideas. To my surprise as I read on, a few pages further on those same ideas were there set down in print. This happened a number of times, but only with 'Life Science' books! I dismissed it but nonetheless I've never forgotten the curiosity.
Have you happened across Michael Levin's work by any chance? A biologist engaged in some remarkable work. Plenty of his stuff on this platform.
Great! Thank you so much to both of you! You guys did a great talk! Can't wait for the next Sheldrake-&-Gómez-Marín talk!
It's interesting that some recipients of organ donors suddenly take up some of the habits and interests of the person who donated the organ without ever meeting or knowing anything about the donor.
Yes, one could think memories are store in the body. The driver could be emotion. Eckart Tolle speaks of the “painbody” 🙏🦋🙏 I would also be connected with the ego (so “seemingely” personal)
Yup. Same with blood donors. Memory is stored in the etheric body which is closely aligned with the physical. So, if you take an organ out of one person and give it to another, part of the etheric body, and that person's memory, goes with it. It normally takes three days for the etheric body to completely leave a dead body, so if the organ transfer is done within that time period, I would think this phenomenon is explainable by this. Be great if someone could do a study of the effect of organ removal on the recipient both within and without this three-day period.
@@Mooseman327 I hadn't heard that about blood donors. Interesting. I wonder if addictions could occur from that as well.
I could never accept that animal instinct and behavior are determined solely by DNA. How could a bird's ability to navigate by the stars possibly derive from a sequence of nucleotides? Thank you Rupert, for your amazing insights!
Yes, C S Jung… Basically said “I am not a 58 year old Swiss Doctor - I am tens of thousands of years old or far older than that!”
Nobody claims DNA is/was the sole determinant.
@@christopherhamilton3621 There is no argument/thesis in your statement.
@@matthewstokes1608 Jung was too mystical, this is why he(s work) is ostracized from modern "scientific" psychological debate. The only high profile intellectual(?) mentioning him is J. Peterson, but he also terribly misrepresents him, so it's disservice.
"How could a bird's ability to navigate by the stars possibly derive from a sequence of nucleotides"
Because that sequence is honed by birds' varying reaction to the sight of stars.
I was married to a woman who could read the mind from others around her.
She describeded it as a constant flow coming to her and said that it was heavy and made her tired.
I tested it several times and she was always right with me.
it's true, perhaps not with the details, but with themes and issues, which seem to resonate within members of a household even when they do not speak to each other...
@@youtubeviewer5017 She also had it with strangers. People walking on the street, it was a constant steam for her.
@@koerttijdens1234 Is she like, working for the CIA now? (sarcasm)
@@youtubeviewer5017 Ha, no, she s not alive anymore.
She had a beauty salon, the first in town, and that went very well, with a richer clientele, she knew how to get these women to buy the most expensive cremes and stuf.
And before you divorced her, she told you before you told her?😢
A breath of fresh air to have a critical thinker speak who truly follows the scientific method wherever it may lead, and doesn't kow-tow to the (usually wrong) consensus. If nothing else, quantum mechanics should have taught us that humans are not mere observers of an external universe, but in fact have a conscious will which is capable of changing that very universe just by the very act of making a decision (whether to observe the double slit experiment or not, for example), and even further than that, that thought itself has primacy over matter - as evidenced by the fact that before anything at all whatsoever of real consequence is done in the world, it first existed as a thought or thoughts in one or many people's minds. But having said this, personally I still maintain that quantum mechanics is a bit of an illusion, or at least smoke and mirrors, and that Einstein's assessment of the situation will eventually be vindicated as the true one.
Rupert Sheldrake is simply amazing.
Yes, he seems to be a wonderful human being and a very interesting thinker.
@@Axiomatic75 it's common sense wisdom, if it's true. It's nothing I don't know already. He has a platform and he tells truth. Natural eternal law. All one must do is observe w/o dogma and NOT Think. you will discover that you dont know a thing.
I love the idea that memories aren't really stored but instead we access the actual information from those coordinates in Space where the events we experienced quite literally took place.
Because everything is in constant motion then every event has unique location in Space. As it seems that Space is filled with microscopic wormholes, then we could be entangled with our unique path we have travelled through Space - and that we are constantly accessing that path in order to understand our place in the world.
I'm software developer and from that perspective it would also make sense to store only references instead of trying to put entire data inside everyones brain. That would be incredible waste of resource and nature simply doesn't waste energy anywhere we look. So perhaps our brain is more like a map that reflects the part of the universe it has experienced since its birth.
From this perspective memory disorders could be simply about "antenna being rusty" where brain cannot access the information due to some connectivity issues in the brain. It would also mean that there is record of everything that ever happened as sort of frozen frames in the fabric of Space.
Wow you've understood most of this well! There are literal stores though. And the info is tagged by a "key". Try to learn to pick up personal objects and get a feel for the person and try to connect. Over time you will then fully understand what you started to talk about.
Anyone who says an idea is "unthinkable" because it's outside their current paradigm isn't a scientist but a bureaucrat.
It’s almost unthinkable that some people who are meant to be intelligent and intellectual can’t see beyond their own perspectives. But yet a half bake like me who dropped out of college can 😅
They're called Hylics. Or NPCs. Or golem. Or cattle.
@@Acetyl53 Hadn't heard the term "hylic" before, from Gnosticism. Thanks. (To add one to your list: the anarchist humorist Michael Malice calls them "ballast" ;).)
Institutional science is hopelessly corrupt and always will be.
Yet anyone who claims someone else is claiming ‘unthinkable’ needs to verify this and not just point fingers & generalize this as an blanket mindset.
In a way all those scientist who searched for the trace memory and didn't find it, paved the path for us to consider alternative options. Their failure in our "memory" enables the next step to be taken easier.
Thank you for such a fascinating conversation! I feel a sense of wonder and excitement after watching.
Please understand that memory outside physical has been known for 1000s of years. They don't want you to know about this because it gives those who know power over those who do not know this.
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That’s quite interesting information! Could you provide the sources? I would really love to read about examples of an “outside” memory!
@@Noname-w7f1e sorry, RUclips keeps deleting my link I give you!
@@Noname-w7f1e so many sources over years. Here is most recent RUclips:
Hint, I found that with internet. You can also search the conscience/spiritual database. It is linked generally by resonance as categories of like info and by direct key frequency of an individual's conscience - pick up something personal and hold it until you get a sense of the owner of that object and you will directly connect. Like anything, it takes practice. Another way is to think about a problem that you cannot solve but leave it be and wait for an answer back as a thought form. We are not taught this as it is occult (just means hidden, not evil). Those in power don't want you to know this as it gives them advantage over those who don't know this. Some Bible's say it is evil to know but that is only because they want to control you.
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That’s a pity…
Maybe just write down the name of the article - I will try searching for it myself?
It’s refreshing to listen to someone who’s thinking,I find very exciting and alive
Thank you for your work Dr. Sheldrake!
An excellent and relevant discussion for today's changes in society. I definitely agree that memories at least long term memories are not stored in the brain, halo-graphically or specifically and will add more on this shortly but some experiments on prefrontal surgeries and the patience tests on remembering post operation seem to place at least 4-6 hour recall within the brain and nothing there after. While there is some coherence in the tech metaphors you mention, I think the brain is an interpreter of some experiences and processor of others but not using time dilation, as in transmission, because the brain and we operate in the moment of the current point in time.
In observing friends with brain cancer and tumors and the progression, it becomes obvious that the brain functions are dynamic, loss of one ability in higher sense like maths or music is lost or replaced by a lower function if the lower requirement for the person is of a higher importance...loosing use of an arm to be regained over a few weeks to support physical activities but then loose the ability for basic maths in adding items while shopping. This more implies physical positions in the brain are replaced fundamentally rather than the passing over of engrams although I am sure the engram is not the direct, specific, physical and exact measurement of a particular brain action or function, as you mention by the physical experiments because it lives outside the brain. Even the wave patterns are not physical area specific indicators nor would they necessarily be a direct read of the thoughts as this operation is not known, as the wave pattern may well be only a part of the thought, part of a bigger wave or merely just an energy surge and not related to the information carried, so measuring waves or motions of waves across the brain is in itself are unknown and cannot be used to verify brain function.
While the morphic resonance can be a sort of universal encapsulation as you mentioned, using it to describe in singularity by the different wave aspects of different materials things, animals, nature, galaxies and molecules is not useful as all of these mentioned waves are different in frequency and content and their specific relevance to each other is zero and collectively towards a greater model is not supportive. I also agree on your view that all these things cannot be crammed into the DNA and the main programming tool as this level of coding relates directly to physical functions, proteins etc, and Jung's use of the collective does not quite run as it relies on ESP style functions in brains of the different animals and insects that may or may not be developed to the same or correct degree. I value more the rationale of the same collective production of a brain from DNA and soul, the cell position and allocation, must provide a small section of the brain for fundamental survival, like sensors and motor operations similar to operation of heart memory cells in maintaining a level of autonomous functions.
As with the similarity of resonance of twins from birth, the tuning up into other people, the presence of memories or nature are everywhere and others examples, all have a direct relation correlation to ESP functions of the metaphysical world and subject. From my early childhood years of certain experiences that could not be explained to me until in later teen years when I caught up with the works in eastern religions and Buddhism did my understanding provide answers and unfortunately an area of study that is far from 100% empirically verifiable. We live in two worlds, the physical and metaphysical, and our body, DNA, chemicals represent the physical and the spirit, soul and memories represent the metaphysical from what religions call god or really the God structure. At birth we are infused with the spirit, our energy and motive drive, the soul for ego, awareness and consciousness, and memories especially karmic that form the basic directions for our life learning or heroes journeys. We need learning to become useful as human beings but it also allows the soul to evolve and the main reason why we are here. This connection to the God structure, gives us the immortality that Jesus spoke of, the depth of functions of the soul for storing our memories, the laws that govern us like cause and effect and karma, our interconnection to other people, usually who are close, the connection for the collective as Jung puts it and the energy that lives within all things.
The brain for me is a video processing unit that runs on a physical DNA controlled substrate, with some inherent animal memory for directing a boot load caused at birth, like spinning webs or suckling, a basic operating system if you like metaphors, and as you grow and learn how to walk and talk and later more advance activities, wires the brain into a format that supports each day of programming and learning to survive in the world the entity was born into. The brain needs to wire up speech centres, hearing interpretive functions, mathematical processors that are tied indirectly into the speech, hearing, seeing, thinking, ego, emotive related functions and all this requires an enormous capacity of neurons, with the capacity to store sufficient memories for acting in the moment, nominally only around 4-6 hours, while all long term memory is stored in the soul.
These long term memories is what is accessible on recall, near death and on the rare occasion can be recalled in youth in the next life, can be accessed by hypnosis and if reflected upon provides additional re-learning or supportive learning functions associated with experience with morphic resonance driving the whole multi-layered video presentation. The learning of associated/family members is by observation and copying, monkey see programming, and not the transference of thought although we can pick up ideas from the transference which we can then enact the process to cement it into our skill set, physical reactions and the memories. This existential understanding of our system particularly the brain provides an incorrect understanding for the artificial intelligence researchers about how we think, reason and the rationale of morals, at least in the cyborg world.
Psychology is the one scientific field that cannot function correctly at 100% without the understanding of the interrelation our physical has with its metaphysical self. You can have an understanding on chemical and biological processes, electrical and physics with the possible exception to the universe and the big bang.
We are of two worlds but we normally only talk to one of us.
Gonna have to read that over, properly, it's g o o d!🙂Jrb🇬🇧
Yep. I totally hear yah. Memories and our personality and everything we think and feel are stored in the spiritual world. We have not just resonance but literal keys to our individual collection. If you pick up an item belonging to someone you can tune into that individual specifically. If you get a warning sign that someone is in trouble you can lock into that key and see through their eyes that the are eg on the ground looking at the surroundings and if lucky can pickup specific thing like street sign to find them. Absolutely true. Learn shamanism. Learn about occult (hidden) teachings. Learn who you really are. We are spirits inhabiting a physical body to experience this physical world. When we "die" we shed our physical body. We continue to live as spirit with the same personality and issues that we had seconds before we lost our body. We are ALWAYS spirit with or without a physical body. We can incarnate into any life form on any planet. We are spirit.
This is great! Please do one with Monica Gagliano; the innovative Plant Consciousness researcher that has proven the Pavlov effect in plants.
I admire Sheldrakes persistence in the face of so much counter-intention. He holds his position in light while all around him stab in the dark at phantoms.
Another wonderful dialogue. Thank you
The leather elbow patches are both classic and practical for an academic, Rupert's 'Science Delusion' is a book I keep returning to, this conversation is illuminating
...reminded me I needed to order a new sweater. I don't know why I get so distracted while listening to this conversation. Maybe it's the tone of their voices.
One of the major hypotheses in String Theory physics about the universe today is that it is a type of hologram. This idea was developed mathematically by theoretical physicists such as Gerard t'Hooft, Leonard Susskind, and Juan Maldacena among others. On a “simpler” level in modern technology, holograms can themselves be created, manipulated and interpreted with the mathematical process known as Fourier transform.
In the area of brain research, Dr. Paul Pietsch came to the conclusion that all memory of any type was created through some type of Fourier-transform-like process and stored in a mathematical dimension he called “transform space.” He came to this conclusion after teaching around 700 salamanders to do certain tricks, then extracting their brains, chopping them up or turning them upside down, backwards, etc. and replacing them. (This is possible with salamanders.) After healing, the “re-brained” salamanders remembered the tricks. Pietsch reported his work and findings in Shuffle Brain: The Quest for the Hologramic Mind (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1981).
Thus in two different scientific areas, some theorists have postulated that everyday reality emerges from a more basic level. The particle physicists themselves are unconcerned with biological aspects (and hence memory), yet calculate a dimension superordinate to ours, one extruding 3+1-D spacetime (although the math describes things timelessly, as “laws”), while Pietsch portrays lived experiences as becoming frozen in time as memory. The phenomenon of holography is used as an interpretive concept in both fields. The base guides the form of its expression.
If brain researcher Pietsch and hologram-hypothesizing physicists and mathematicians (e.g., David Bohm) are correct in their tentative conclusions, then morphic resonance and morphic fields (i.e., the universal role of memory in formative causation) may be simply a different way of talking about reality as a holographic structure. This would be true in particular with reference to the dimension of time and the mutual interaction between the hologrammic cosmos and its mnemonic undergirding.
On the pre-death phenomenon known as “terminal lucidity.” In some cases when people afflicted with severe mental impairment (psychiatric or neurological disorders), usually in old age, but sometimes due to other causes, are about to die in the last days or hours of life, they suddenly become fully alert and normal, able to converse intelligently with others for the first time in years. This is due to the fact that neurological or other impairments are the first bodily elements to weaken and die, preceding the complete systemic failure and death of the entire body. Their disintegration allows the restoration or “unblocking” of communication between the remaining body and its soul. With this interference removed, the soul (morphic field) is then able to transmit proper functioning to what remains of the body even as death approaches.
𝖁𝖊𝖗𝖎𝖙𝖆𝖘 𝖑𝖎𝖇𝖊𝖗𝖆𝖇𝖎𝖙 𝖛𝖔𝖘.
Interesting discussion. I have noticed for many years that the general atmosphere of a dream and sometimes a few details will come back to me if I return to bed and put my head back on the pillow, sometimes even a long time later. Maybe it is just a contextual reminder, but I wondered if it goes further and a side effect of dreaming may be to imprint some sort of memory onto nearby materials outside the body.
We are spirit. We natively communicate to spiritual world and communication is by thought forms and happens instantly faster than speed of light. We must communicate to our physical bodies via telekinesis (to control) and esp (to sense) and this requires translation and is slow and limited by speed of light. Though we can directly move arms eg without going through nervous system this lifting humungous weights when required so on.
I have great respect for the pioneering work of Dr. Sheldrake. He is a brave and honest man.
Two bigs thinkers! I can’t get enough of you!
Dr Sheldrake: I haven't red your book, and as soon as it's possible I'll do it. I find the idea of morphic resonance very enticing intellectually and from the creative point of view since I'm a fine artist coming from the science field (I've been an engineer all my life).
I couldn't avoid jumping to the conclusion that the functional structure of the brain might have a lot to do with how we're able to perceive those wave patterns, and probably ride them during the creative process.
It comes to mind the work of Dr Iain McGilchrist on how the brain works, and how an emphasis on propositional knowing (Prof. John Vervaeke), fundamentally of a left-brain function, limits the field of knowing and creation, and could potentially lead us into a dangerous blind alley as a civilization.
It sounds to me as if the right portion of the brain could have a capacity to interpret more complex and timeless wave patterns when compared to the left portion that appears to only seek consistence of content. Thus, the marriage of these portions could lead to the flourishing of a creative mind.
If this is so, GI and the way we measure it (it may need to be revised in light of your hypothesis), could have a lot to do on our ability to perceive those wave patterns, which in turn could indicate that this ability could be developed with proper training.
Given our cells turnover every few days or a couple of weeks at most depending on type, but yet we can remember facts from many years before, to me itself raises the question how are memories passed on at cellular level. Given our cells are ultimately made up of quarks, leptons, bosons, electrons etc which ultimately are wave forms (or particles depending on observed measurement) has to mean there is more to this subject than the basic view that the brain stores everything as all wave forms interact with others in the environment. I know many scientists discredit the morphic resonance theory but actually it makes a lot of sense and provides a robust answer to some of these difficult questions. I take my hat of to Rupert, I think he has nailed it!
There are well documented cases of recipients of transplant organs, having memories and or habits of the dead donors. One particular case involved a young girl who received a heart transplant. She then started having vivid nightmares of a man killing a little girl. Eventually the police were called in and they were able to find a suspect that matched the man in the dream, and who lived in a location that matched the dream. This lead to the arrest of the man who confessed to killing a little girl -the donor of the heart AND words said in the dream exactly matched the words the evil killer used as the little girl lay dying. The assumption here is that memory can be stored in other organs as well as the brain.
I wonder if oncological elective (radical) surgery advice is legitimate to be given to patients without offering a treatment of lost memories and obligatory help in pshychological adaptation
When I've had deep tissue massages, or given them to others using my own training (not professional yet, so I don't charge), it's common to trigger stressful memories from years ago. Gentle pressure on a knot between someone's shoulderblades might cause them to remember a beating they received as a child, starting with the smell of blood. Unwinding twisted ligaments in my mom's knee caused her to hear and re-live the time her knee exploded during a rodeo accident, then she smelled the antiseptic used during her surgery. So I'm watching this video under the presupposition that memories are stored across multiple systems in the body, from brains to sinews, and I look forward to learning more.
I went to an osteopath once who pressed different areas of my body, and when it hurt, he'd ask: 'what happened when you were 8? 30? 35? depending on the body part. Every pain corresponded to one of the three major traumas in my life. He found them 'stored' in my body.
@@EluxeM Yep. That's what we're finding, too. After I helped her legs and feet, my mom took classes from an osteopathic doctor.
I saw a friend, of some senior years, a sweeter person to could meet, and very beautiful, but her shoulders, back, just by appearance, reveal she is carrying a whole lot of stress, whether wgqt you might say 'her own', or that dumped on her, 'put there, by the influence of others upon her.
This applies to how many people, all?
All health and ill health and at root, primary, enabling and causation, respectively, 'macro social psycho somatic'.
Copyright to me, thank you .
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Here's a thought that occurred to me while on holiday recently. Have you noticed that there has been a sudden change in the behaviour of some fish in the Mediterranean. You can look up newspaper articles about it but I can tell you directly from my own experiences. The fish are suddenly biting people who are paddling in the sea. Mostly they are just biting off dead skin but on a few occasions they have been drawing blood. As I say this behaviour is new (happening since the last three or four years) but now becoming widespread across the Med. So here's my thought about it. About a decade ago a new fashion arose for fish pedicures. People willingly dipping their feet into tanks to let the fish nibble at them. In some places like the UK this has been banned for health reasons but in Crete where I was staying there are still lots of outlets that specialise in fish pedicures. Anyway, coming to the point, could it be the fish have been taught a new behaviour that is now spreading by morphic resonance? That's my thought in a nutshell.
This is a very good detail. I'm Greek and I never remember fish biting to eat dead skin. I've been to many shores near my hometown, and never had the problem. I left for the US, and was coming back almost every year. It's only in the last 4-5 years that I experienced fish biting. It's really weird. It's as if the fish learned that behavior.
Oh! You may be true. I'm 72 and live in a Mediterranean island. Swam into the sea every summer of my life since I was a baby and I was never bitten by fishes... now since 4 or 5 years every time I enter into the sea in shallow waters I'm biten by them. I had thought they were alien species not present here before. I wonder if some biologist ever made a research about this.
Complete nonsense, what any animal learns cannot be passed genetically,even if it could,the amount of fish that are used for this practice is microscopic compared to the millions of fish in the med sea.
@@scarred10 My comment is entirely in reference to the discussion on the video and to Rupert Sheldrake's idea of morphic resonance. Did you watch the video? Do you even know what his theory proposes? If not, then why bother commenting on my suggestion at all. Or if you do understand how my comment fits into the broader debate then why instead of contesting this minor point, are you not directly challenging Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance?
@@jamesboswell9324 yes,its pure nonsense as well.
This is such a profound concept that is both elegant and logical. I'm surprised that that nobody has considered that Professor Michael Levin's groundbreaking work with morphic bioelectric fields validates and expands on this very powerful concept
Aristotle and Origen both taught “mind from without”. cf. Tzamalikos, Guilty of Genius: Origen and the Theory of Transmigration. Tzamalikos discusses Origen’s teaching on logoi by way of Anaxagoras. Amazing resonance!!!
We moderns have given up knowledge of self in exchange for knowledge of atoms, and we are greatly poorer for it.
@@halfacanuck Tzamalikos synthesizes the Anaxagorean/Origenian cosmology in such a lofty way! I truly appreciate Panayiotis Tzamalikos, MSc, MPhil, PhD, Professor of Philosophy, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki!!! He’s my hero! 😘
@@halfacanuck We have sacrificed knowledge of the whole for analysis of the parts. As if the Mona Lisa was subjected to spectral analysis of paint compounds and fibres to determine whether the painting produced a visceral response in the viewer. Interesting to art historians and chemists, but completely missing the point of the art.
Leonardo da Vinci said " The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions " Plato shared with us wisdom he learnt from Egypt, wisdom that was a death sentence in Greece, Rome (Christianity).. Pythagoras, Socrates and later Hypatia of Alexandria. Plato in his dialogue " The Republic " tells the parable of " The Cave " Plato starts by telling us of prisoners being held in a underground den, let us examine this den via the geometry of Bernhard Riemann and Felix Klein..Klein bottle..3rd and 4th dimensions. Plato tells us that the prisoners are bound up unable to move their heads, let us examine this bondage via the psychology of Erich Fromm..socialisation of consciousness.. aware-unaware. Plato tells us that the prisoners mistake shadows for substance, let us examine this mistake via the philosophy of Thales, Hume and Kant..synthetic a priori judgement..not thing in itself. Plato tells us that one of the prisoners is released, let us examine this release via the wisdom of T Lobsang Rampa..stilling the mind and conscious astral travel..leaving the cave/body. Plato tells us that the prisoners will reject this release, let us examine this rejection via the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome..Plato quotes Homer..forgive them for they know not what they say. Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds. Mathew 23 13 31.
@@stewartthomas4193 Anaxagoras blows Play-dough 😂 out of the kosmos!
The search for memories stored in the brain is like the search for dark matter, if it is not found at the location searched, it can always be claimed that it must be somewhere else. Therefore it is not falsifiable.
This is just great- really gripping, but also not surprising..somehow. I have believed in these theories for many years but not heard them voiced publicly.
Experiencing Astral Travel, I realized that full access to memories/knowledge was a given.
Where did you travel to?
Me too!
Bravo...broadening the canvas of understanding brings us closer to our own mystery, we exist in and are part of the field of potentiality, therefore we are fluid and flexible, as electro-magnetic life forms we resonate and that resonance wave is translatable across all life forms and matter...Moreau said all art is an attempt at understanding our nothingness, art is better at expressing our essential nature and mystery.
Please oh please if you aren’t already familiar with him, look up Michael Levin’s work (at Tufts university) on the role of bioelectric morphogenesis in frog embryos and planaria development and regeneration. He didn’t set out to determine what memory is, but his findings are highly relevant to this discussion! Especially relevant is the fact that his group can use bioelectric patterns to cause planaria to “remember” to grow a different head type, including heads that were millions of years back in their evolutionary history. No DNA is altered in the lab, only the bioelectric patterning.
You know, after looking at how DALL-E and ChatGPT work - I wonder if it makes some intuitive sense. None of those models stores any actual images or text, yet they will generate text and images based on the probability of how close certain elements are based on what they have learnt. If our mind is a giant neural network and most of these systems are modeled to be as close to a series of neurons as possible then it could make sense that memory, dreams and so on could might follow a similar mechanism? where computers depend on a couple of dimensions, it might seem that we have a few more senses in place - but the existence of something like Synesthesia as a condition could mean the senses are not as seperate as they seem. There also seems to be some very facinating emergent features coming out of the findings coming out of large language models - and I think they will give us a lot of insight into how our brains might work as well.
Being a bit bold and taking a leap here, I wonder if these models will do more for bio engineering and bio hacking than general purpose compute and searches.
Awesome conversation!!! Thank´s for this! I think, we are sailing in the sea of possibilities. So the question is: how can we adjust our antennas to receive informations? Who or what decides, what we are allowed to know? Our superconsciousness?
Here in Germany there used to be a game at fairgrounds in my childhood, a kind of lottery. You paid and were allowed to pull a cord from a bundle of cords. Then you either pulled a blank or you won something. That reminds me to the term "intuition".
You adjust the frequency like the dial on a radio. To start learning, pick up things like a brush that only one person uses and get a feel for who it is. That is adjusting the antenna - it's dynamic. Be sure you are eating healthy non processed foods to make easier at first. Because some chemicals reduced you ability. NO VACCINES. They deliberately cut you off.
If had vaccines (or processed foods), learn to fast, long fasting from time to time. This we fix your system in many ways. Fasting also kills cancer as it starves it of sugar and body repairs itself so on. And the use of ketones so on.
thank you gentlemen. this was so refreshing.
Well yes, we already have a model where our digital devices rely heavily on data storage and computing in the cloud, which then allows the physical devices to scale in size and abilities. The next iteration will be the physical shell of a robotic body with local computing and data storage, but the artificial intelligence behind it will be in the cloud.
Ha, yes I noticed how computers behave is often telling us about mind, our minds.
You meet someone, pick a topic, and 'randomly' it's close to their hearts or of similar recent experience.
You are in fact scanning the recent, in common, -windows- of their mind.
I was about to say Wordle should respond in this way, when Rupert mentioned it. If I have done the puzzle first, I have to make a conscious effort not to recall the answer or my wife seems to get it in fewer attempts. A couple of years ago I recalled in perfect detail a fragrance I haven't smelt in 40 years. I didn't smell the perfume, or anything that reminded me of it, nor was I thinking of the person who last wore it, but the precise scent was recalled to mind. Where had this smell been hiding? In some dusty corner of the brain, or was it emitting the same aroma through space and time awaiting an opportunity to manifest? One of the consistent features of near death experiences is a life review, "life flashing before ones eyes" as people used to to say. This suggests our experiences are recorded on some yet to be understood "off-line cloud".
Maybe life being 'recorded' is not a particularly helpful way of thinking at this phenomenon. Perhaps it would be more efficient to conjure up an overarching dimension (or under-arching) that is not bound by time as we understand it. A view that can dip into anyone's experience at any time at will. Time in NDE's appears to bear little resemblance to time in the our normal world after all. I suppose this begs the question whether this meta-view can view the future. God knows!
@@peterfrance7489 I suspect time occurs simultaneously, and chronology is an illusion but there's no way of proving it.
@@borderlands6606 Sorry, it may well not be too woo for you but I just happened on a pertinent discussion - search yt "Our 9 Dimensional Existence EXPLAINED" Aubrey Marcus platform, about 30 mins in
Two brilliant thinkers - fun and fascinating to tune into their dialogue. Thank you.
So what are you saying is, we basically have some sort of a hive mind? When a group of people start working on something, on solving some problem, we all find it easier to solve after?
Honestly, it's not that unbelievable if you consider we are literally made of the same stuff (so it's probably very easy to spread anything, like a drop of dye in the water), and consciousness is most likely the very basic, foundational characteristic of it... Connection like that opens up quite a lot of possibilities.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. The snag is, there is a lot essentially poisonous, thinking, motphic fields 'out their', impacting, our morphic fields, i suppose we mught say.
Generally ALL health is 'macro social psycho* somatic', Copyright to me. .
*Except 'psycho' , and 'macro psycho', would have to include everything Sheldrake and for example, Stuart Kouffman, know about, mind to mind, and mind and quantum physics, so not really my own work, but a combining of these, others?
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Ida Rolf, now deceased? Claimed 50 years ago that the connective tissue that connects one's total body parts retains all our memories. I will go with memories are within our bodies and this includes our skulls, too.
Now I'll listen to what Sheldon thinks...
Ida Rolf founded Rolfing, which is Body Work. I had a few sessions and reacted with tears and memories when my stomach was worked on. There is an Institute named after her in Boulder, CO.
As humans, we experience the feeling of "access" the moment we are able to recall a specific memory from our past. This feeling of access deceives us into believing that our memories are resident in our brain, when in reality those memories are elsewhere.
I’ve been getting more snd more telepathic as I get older. I’d say I’m pretty strongly telepathic, for a human. I’ve been reading Dogs That Know when Their Owners Are Coming Home 😂. I’ve noticed that, when I’m in the vicinity of an obelisk, my telepathy is very noticeably enhanced. I discovered this organically and then researched obelisks because of my experiences. Obelisks are known to enhance spiritual powers. I think the theory of the morphic fields makes sense based on my experience with obelisks enhancing my telepathy significantly. An obelisk seems to be a tool that amplifies energy within morphic field.
“78 rpm or a long player….” sweet memories still resonating in a magnificent mind
The 2 persons discussing this idea that memories are not stored in the brain, but exist as electromagnetic waves outside the brain, and the brain is just a “generator’ and a “receiver” of those waves. If it is essential that the “medium” of memory is EM waves, there are two seemingly insurmountable problems. First, EM waves can certainly carry information by changes in frequency and amplitude, just like radio waves. However, they travel at the speed of light (SOL). So, if information is emanating at the SOL, it must be in packets of some defined time, and not continuous emanation of the same information. This means that to receive the information, those waves must return at the correct time to be translated back to thoughts and speech. I would like to hear an explanation as to where the information goes that it can return at exactly the right time to interact with other EM info to allow coherent thought and conversations. Second, EM waves are not a very good medium. People shielded in metal enclosures can still think and are mentally “normal” despite the absence of influence of outside EM. Furthermore, EM can be easily distorted or interfered with - as by solar flares which can KNOCK OUT power grids (but not our brains). Stand next to a subway train and you are exposed to kilovolts of electrical noise so strong it can distort magnetic field recordings of subjects 3 blocks away. Yet your brain will not notice. Please explain in detail what form of EM could possibly support memory function as you claim.
Many (many) years ago I though that brains were more like a laser pickup inside a DVD player, with the actual content (the "DVD") being some sort of quantum structure, hence fundamentally intractable. So studying brain structure, fascinating as it is, would only tell us how that _read/write_ mechanism works, nothing else.
Let us hope the mystery continues for as long as humanity, for humanity cannot help but abuse every gift it receives.
And when we are dreaming , where are these images, ideas, adventures coming from. They aren't just mixed up memories. Many of my dreams are completely original. Meaning that many of my dreams are of places I've never been, people I've never met. Tesla, Bach, and many other creators have said that there ideas came to them in their sleep. Just another thing to consider.
Great topic!
Excellent spot on and true. Memories and our personality and everything we think and feel are stored in the spiritual world. We have not just resonance but literal keys to our individual collection. If you pick up an item belonging to someone you can tune into that individual specifically. If you get a warning sign that someone is in trouble you can lock into that key and see through their eyes that the are eg on the ground looking at the surroundings and if lucky can pickup specific thing like street sign to find them. Absolutely true. Learn shamanism. Learn about occult (hidden) teachings. Learn who you really are. We are spirits inhabiting a physical body to experience this physical world. When we "die" we shed our physical body. We continue to live as spirit with the same personality and issues that we had seconds before we lost our body. We are ALWAYS spirit with or without a physical body. We can incarnate into any life form on any planet. We are spirit.
I thought it has been clear for some time now that memory is one of the functions of the brain, but individual memories are not stored in specific places - like in files of a computer. Memory is a dynamic process that constantly works with our accumulated knowledge and experiences. So, every meaningful new experience that is memorized, changes the "landscape" of our earlier memories. Our whole body is active in this; that is why certain smells, sounds, images or touches may bring back memories that we did not even know we had. There is no single memory center in the brain; several parts of the brain are involved in memorizing and remembering.
If memories are stored generally in the brain describe the mechanism by which this happens. How can this general storage hypothesis be proven scientifically? Physics tells me that there are forces outside the brain that impact upon it.
So how do peoples memories work when they've died?
@@mitsuracer87 We don't know anything about after death.
What a beautiful discussion. Are there others here who see a connection with the Hermetic Principles ? The Principle of Vibration. The ALL is mental. The holographic universe.
I think the chapters in the video don't match the content, maybe they are from a past video.
Great stuff! Thank you :]
Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance also resonates (pardon the pun) with the 1991 book by Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe. Talbot's synthesis of the research suggests that a person's DNA may also serve as the channel or tuner for linking up with one's individual memories, similar to Sheldrake's metaphor of the TV set.
If you want to go further, you should consider Bergson's framework. From my understanding HB explains perception by postulating how the brain/body specifies a reconstructed wave from invariance laws structured in an underlying holographic wave field. It leads very nicely into Gibson's theories of affordances.
If you want a thorough analysis and articulation you should check out Stephen E. Robbins RUclips channel or publications.
So pleased someone mentioned this book, before I had a chance to!
@@S.G.Wallner Does Bergson's theory relate to the holographic universe concept explored in the book of that title?
@@seanarthurjoyce7366 yes but not exactly. There is overlap but Bergson came before Talbot.
@@S.G.Wallner If you can point me to a book that explains Bergson for a scientific layperson like myself I'd appreciate it. I tried reading Sheldrake's Presence of the Past but find I get bogged down in all the physics and quantum mechanics. I have more of the poet's mind. I find Sheldrake's talks easier to follow.
While listening to this interview I just thought how much little we actually know about how things work in our body, organs and etc...can u imagine the faulty assumptions we have about for instance brain holding all that info...so what do we really know about ourselves.. and even more bizarre, how we survive and lived up to now with invalid info about our nature:))
Aspects of non-locality seem required to explain several phenomena. Not sure why so many anchor on hard materialism as a default reality as though you have to build a case against it, when it itself has never been properly backed. I consider this abuse of the null hypothesis as a magical Truth freebie. It is bizarre and extremely frustrating.
How lovely to listen to you both. Thank you
As you listen to people talking about anything, your brain conjures up images, recollections, of past experiences connected with the words that are used. Memories, if you will... the words trigger visions. Solve this riddle and perhaps you may solve the problem of why some people are predisposed to believe just about anything they hear or read, because it matches up with something they already think they have all figured out.
Rupert is our Tesla, who said of his critics, " let them have the present. The future belongs to me." He was right.
Its weird how many scientists want to think of everything that exists is separate bits and pieces and science is there somehow to bring it all together. But a majority forget or ignore there’s a spiritual input too that cannot be quantified or measured
It seems most people with controversial ideas avoid the subject of experimenting and testing their ideas but Rupert Sheldrake is asking for more experiments and more testing of his.
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He is not mucking around! He chose the elbow patch sweater for this one! Hardcore. Give 15 years and he'll have beard down to his belly button.
I read a book by Lyall Watson called super nature ,
He was a biologist , zoologist, botanist, anthropologist,
He also wrote many other fascinate books, on examples of natural intuition, and examples of predictions etc.
He name it
The Contingent effect,
Or the 100 monkey effect.
If monkey learnt a new idea on one island, and gradually more monkeys also learnt this new idea from observation,
Then the same species of monkeys on another island also took on this new idea or habit without visually observing it.
once a certain percentage of a species acquire new knowledge , then that knowledge is transferred to the same species at a distance,
'There's no life in memory' - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Life is when the self is not.
did the work of Harold Hillman had any influence on this subject?
Scientologists believe the mind (mental image pictures) surround the spiritual being in a field, independent of the body. The brain merely a switchboard. To recall a past event, the being places their attention on the recording, allowing them to replay the event or access any recorded information.
The hitting of the TV to regain signal.. makes me think of acquired savant syndrome.
Thanks for the video!
Good conversation, my first introduction to these ideas and I agree they are important.
But, I suggest more rigor is advised than what I'm getting from this conversation, particularly when "non-orthodox" ideas are certain to be attacked and dismissed: to hypothesize that memories are wave patterns and not localized "bit storage" in our brains is a leap, although I believe one that warrants exploration.
But, that does not require that "memories exist across time" -- as in, across "space-time", and are non-localized and separate from our physical forms, as they seem to be suggesting. Memories could be waveforms, with the copies of the full memory of the specific form widely, physically distributed in duplicate copies in some bio/physical memory structures within our bodies (and brains...), with the requisite circumstances triggering the re-energization of the original form. No tuning-in across space-time required.
Take one piece of this at a time.
I beleive morphic resonance effects us way more than Rupert says which is Why I admire his dialog hes not pushing it down your throat so to speak But I think Every person who commutes to work in the morning sees the collective example traffic !
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Alex, are you interested in promoting Bergson's metaphysic?
Edit: I'm very interested in dispelling the intertwining dogmas of cognitive science, machine learning, modern physics and information theories. I also believe that a new style of thinking can unlock these fields. Finally, I actually have said something along the lines of, "memories aren't stored in the brain," to my neuroscience colleagues, and the responses ranged from confusion to disdain to anger and a few who were intrigued.
Having done postgraduate work in cognitive science, I'm not surprised your neuroscience colleagues get angry. Using MRI machines, TMS devices, EEG equipment etc. for neuroscience research all costs money. Accepting memories aren't in the brain means that many of the research claims in neuroscience departments can no longer be properly justified. They are scared they will lose their funding and be seen as no better than the guys working in the philosophy department. Ironically, many of those in the philosophy department are trying to hang out more in the neuroscience labs in order to make themselves appear more "respectable."
In my opinion, "Matter and Memory" is one of the very few books on the nature of consciousness and the brain worth reading.
@@danzigvssartre spot on and more.
They’re stored in the Cloud of course, with everyone else’s memories.
They are sidestepping language, which is clearly located in the R temporal lobe. Why? Is language an exception?
Antennas picking up on TV stations is me brain to the thought patterns
i mostly agree with sheldrake, but i dont think his hypothesis needs to go as far as the laws of physics. they arent written down laws that can be held, they are just patterns of behavior of things in reality as we have measured them so far. i think about them in a sense of finding the ultimate cause for all of the effects we view, and just like how you cant look beyond the big bang, you cant divide the cause any further down than the laws of nature. also they seem to be constant as they are consistent across time seeing that we can view them in the past by looking at how galaxies behave that are really far away.
I've heard talke that DNA may be acting like a unique antena which may be recieving consciousness.
Interesting stuff
What would be the "output" function of the brain? Maybe decoding experience into memory and upload it into time?
If so, memories could have some short term physical allocation in the brain during the process.
Words like input and output imply a computer metaphor.
Some experts like Dr Lisa Feldman Barrett would argue that it's not an accurate metaphor. The role of the brain is to regulate our systems so we survive, and it does that by receiving signals from the body and makes predictions to make us take the optimal action to balance our energy budget. The brain uses past experiences to make those predictions, so memories are reassembled every time it is recalled.
The output of the brain can only be the current thought and state. Not all info that can be accessed which includes your info and others info for 10000s plus years... Put it another way. The brain is just a TV. The only thing you can output would be the current frame.
Consider the sparklers that we Americans play with around the 4th of July. At night, we can swing them around and all sorts of ways and make these designs like figure eights. And to us they appear to be real figure eights right. But it's actually just a product of both the environment and the modeling machine that we call our brains. Well I think this is how this illusion to consciousness also works
Our “ internet “ could be also called akashic arquives when you suddenly have an creative inspiration
"...wave patterns spread out throughout the brain..." but spread out throughout the organism. Mind informs body informs mind.
Don't forget Beatrice Gelber who did similar exp[eriments with paramecium at the U of Chicago in the sixties.
Excellent
But I am an admirer of dr. Rupert Sheldrake after reading his books that show me that even the number of lottery obeys the morphic resonance when you put the long series of their results on geometry and apply the laws of topology
The analogy of the brain and the television is very interesting. Would this mean that memory is not person-specific?
Appreciate these. Could you make them a little louder please.
This is what happens when you think about "memory" as a noun. Vocabulary and grammar are SO important for scientists to sort it all out.